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S4 E4 - LGTBQ Crimes · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Danger. Oh, Hello from a different time zone, and I'm glad you
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  finally got it right what time zone I'm in? I could show up on
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  time right after four or five years of having to deal with time zones and
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  having like every single co host that I have in a different time zone.
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  You think I figure it out. No, I'll tell you. I was
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  taking it personal. I told Handsome Heavy, I said, he obviously does
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  not want me because he keeps telling me the wrong time. It's so far
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  five truth though, I got some message, got the message. I feel
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  so bad. Um. Yeah, we'll get that right. We'll get that
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  right. It's not like you know, you're you're you're in England, which
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  is like five hours ahead. You're like an hour behind. I don't see
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  in my real world. You know, I work at a Finland company.
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  I had us time in Finish time. Oh see, ILL like that.
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  It's too much for me to try to figure it out. I really should
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  hang like four o'clocks down the side here and just have like Eastern Central,
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  and then I'm gonna call it Mike time, like brew Crime time, and
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  then England time, and then that way, it's just always there. I
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  think you should. It helps a lot. Yeah, it helps a lot.
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  It is almost five am in Finland right now. Yes, yes,
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  by the way, who are you? Oh hi, I'm jt Hi.
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  I am I am Terry and I have to tell you I lied this week
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  to a child. She goes, what's your name? Miss Terry? I
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  said, what did you say? She goes, what's your name? Miss
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  Terry? I said, oh, my name's Tiffany. She was okay,
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  miss Tiffany. Oh, I love kids. I was like, you just
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  said my name so nice. I'm now Tiffany. You are now Tiffany,
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  just like your brand Tiffany night. I was. I was gonna say that
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  the thing that I really like about kids is just like just their innocence and
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  gullibleness, like that's fun. However, we've all been around the past three
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  or four years. Adults are pretty gullible too. I was gonna say,
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  I really don't think the adults have an excuse. No, so I know
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  how I'm gonna be honest, I don't know how it happened. Is happening.
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  It is the best gaslighting ever that has happened in the universe. It
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  truly is. It is just like the atomic bomb of gaslighting. Here we
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  are and there they are and this is this is it. I have to
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  say, I'm excited about our topic today. Yes, I also think a
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  couple of interesting things have happened in the real world. Yeah, against a
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  certain person for age. And then Ted Kasinski decided he no longer was going
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  to bless us with his presence on this earth. Yeah, you know,
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  I always mentioned this beforehand. Two things, I think he finally realized that
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  he wasn't blessing anybody. And then also he really set the bar high for
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  manifestos and nothing's really meant it since he did, or could it have been
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  that Donald Trump gets all the attention and he no longer gets any attention,
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  so maybe it's like come out. But he's also been getting a lot of
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  the attention for like five years, So there's that. I mean, it's
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  a it's interesting because I feel like everything that Ted Kazinski putt in his manifesto,
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  people back then were like, that's terrible and stupid, and now people
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  are like, oh, he might have he might have had a point about
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  technology and stuff, right, obviously not going the violent side, but the
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  technology side. And so that's he's an interesting character. He is very complex,
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  he is, and I think I mean, I know they've done documentaries,
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  I know he's talked to some people, profilers and things that I've heard
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  about it over the years, but I often wonder how truthful was he really,
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  because he is an interesting specimen that if we could truly understand his mind,
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  it could help in so many ways, because the man's not stupid.
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  No, no, no, not at all, not at all, not
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  at all. And it's really interesting because a lot of times I feel like
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  I feel like you can kind of appease or appeal to that that neurosis or
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  you know, the psychosis that they have the narcissism at the very least,
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  and get them to start talking king, which then you can kind of deduce
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  some things that would help, don't I don't really think that minding people did
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  it. Did they with him? I just remember reading something years ago that
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  he agreed to speak to one specific person from the FBI behavioral group, but
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  he was playing them, So I don't know if they ever went and did
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  it again, yeah or not. What they needed to do Ted always thinks
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  he's the smartest guy in the room, and honestly, he probably is most
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  of the time. He's a smart guy in terms of like just raw intelligence.
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  What they needed to do is they needed to put somebody in there with
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  him that was either at or above his level, and I think, you
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  know, to a point where not where he feels like he's inferior, but
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  to a point where he is he is wanting to brag to that person to
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  then get them to, yes, exactly to recognize him, because he has
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  no reason to brag if he's the best person in the room with an FBI
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  agent, right, there's no reason they should be looking up to me,
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  right. So I don't know why I'm in the room anytime, because you
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  know, I'm always the best person in the room, especially when I'm the
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  only person in the room. I do like to be dancing with myself.
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  So you know, there's a reason why was that? Is that that's a
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  Billy idol, Isn't it? Isn't that Billy idol dancing with myself? No,
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  myself health, I can hear it in my head, but yes,
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  it's Billy idol. A nice job. See, Billy idol. White wedding
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  is the only thing that ever comes to mind. That's fair though. I
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  mean that's other than dancing with myself and white wedding. But I never really
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  got into Billy, so there's that. I was never a Billy fan either.
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  So that's you know, that's all that you. I have come and
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  done a little stalking on your latest gig. For those of you on Patreon
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  who get to see our video, he can hold up that cup again and
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  share a little bit about yours and Brandy's amazing project. We um, it
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  happened really fast. That was so well done. I'm not even going to
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  argue it, because that I would be protesting too much. Brandy was looking
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  for somebody to help her with a podcast, and I said, well,
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  I've done that before, and I've produced stuff before and consulted m one and
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  so I was like, I would love to help you. That would be
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  fine. And then there was the discussion of us co hosting it, and
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  then she was like, well, what would you think if we did trials?
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  I was like, well, I've I've live streamed once. You know,
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  I've done one of those once and it was with page from every True
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  Crime. And I was like, but I could figure it out as we
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  go. And then so we did the first one. We did the first
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  night, and we started out with a Lorie Valo trial doing the daily trials
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  right, which was very challenging because there was no visual right, it was
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  all idio. That was a big hurdle right off the bat. But we
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  created graphics and try to keep it interesting for everybody. It seemed to work,
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  and people came and enjoyed the chat. I mean the community, right.
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  I am convinced now, like I love what Brandy and I have in
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  terms of when we interact with each other on camera, but then also when
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  we do our own thing. So I like that. I also like the
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  fact that the community has become like basically an avalanche or a snowball that's rolling
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  down a hill, and people are starting to come for the community. They
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  enjoy what we do, but they're coming to talk to each other, and
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  that's SAE. It's huge. So as you know, I popped in the
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  first time, it's probably be two weeks now since I've had something crazy going
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  on in life. And once y'all just said who I was, and then
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  I was in the room, so many people said hello, asked me questions,
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  sent me message. I mean, I was like, oh my god.
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  It was just amazing. And the other thing, I liked the intelligent
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  conversations that were happening that even I remember somebody said, They're like, I'm
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  not dumb, but what is that? Nobody came for them and said,
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  oh stupid. How did you not know that? Which you see on so
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  many other things, Oh it's this and it's only been used, you know,
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  in the last And they were just kind about it and wanted to help
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  each other. And I was like, that's rare when you get into those
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  situations, it is very rare. And I'm very grateful to the community,
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  but also to the moderators that we have, because they do a really good
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  job shaping kind of the kind of the group. And you know, you
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  get your trolls, You're always going to get your trolls. We have like
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  an entire system in terms of like you delete their message, then you give
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  them an actual you give them a warning, then you give them like a
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  directed warning in the chat, and then they're timed out right. And so
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  as long as we keep that consistent across the board, no matter who you
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  are, then you know there's we can fall back on. This is what
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  our processes, and it's written out. So of course you know I've written
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  this stuff out because you know, the more documentation we have, the easier
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  it is to be like, no, we were not pinpointing you, and
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  we haven't had anybody to do that, you know, and everybody appreciate,
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  Yes are healthy and mod yess are required to be success. I mean you
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  need SOPs to be successful. I need you to add one thing to your
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  SOPs for me. Anything Terry true Crime says is okay, and she is
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  not to be deleted or sit to the corner and not to put baby in
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  a corner. That's right. I literally wrote it down. No, I
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  you know, I created the correction. Our bailiffs who are like our team
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  lead. They helped me to create a two page document which gives some roles
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  and give some team work, and give some general guidelines which are fleshed out
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  as we go, of course, because we're learning as we go. That
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  plus the form to sign up for teams and then the signature acknowledging that you
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  read the form right because that testation is nine tenths of the law because huh
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  right. I'm very uncomfortable with myself the fact that I think like this now.
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  But that being said, our mods are awesome. They work hours a
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  day sometime for nothing, just because they liked the channel, and I can't.
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  They're so intelligent and caring and that's it's just amazing to work with them
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  every single day. So y'all have a special chemistry. So we gotta because
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  not all partnerships are great. No, no, not, y'all have y'all
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  secret sauce. It works, it does, clock Sam and our guy Oh
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  yeah, mister wrong jaw, Oh my god, I when I oh my
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  god. Well, we started when we did the valo. We started running
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  into these guys who were detect police officers who have like really low voices right,
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  like the narrator voice. Right. All of a sudden people were like
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  calling them trial daddies. And so we went from there to creating a calendar
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  for the trial daddies. So there's an entire calendar for the trial daddies.
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  Have you never? Have you not seen this? Where do I find this?
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  So we have our our website which is thirteenth Juror dot live, which
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  I can show you now. I'm just assuming that the screenshare will show for
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  our Patreon it will so like scrolling down Hot Cops and Trial Daddies. I
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  didn't even know there was a website. I've just been doing the stuff on
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  the YouTube channel. Oh oh yeah, he's from Murdoch. He's the first,
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  he's the guy he started it. So I have a problem with him,
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  this guy. What about him? His lips are too perfect? Oh
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  well no, no, his lips be fine. And he oh that hair
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  you could just run your fingers. Oh I know that's Matthew Harris Laws.
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  He's in our calendar and weather watch. Oh wow, okay, that is
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  amazing. Yeah. So like not only do we have these, but like
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  on the website, you can actually um, you can actually submit trial daddies
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  too, So if you scroll down, you can submit the trial daddies and
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  we've now got something for everybody. We're still building it, but we've got
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  trial mamas now. So Camillevasquez, oh, Helen Pott, I don't know,
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  Doctor Shannon Curry, Yes, she's just she's just yes. So you
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  know things are building. Now are we going to add pubs? Because you
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  know there's peppers, you know, and a lot of things. That's something
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  that really kind of pushed me into being like this community is awesome. Is
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  because when we were listening to Valo, I said, you know, we're
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  going to go through some hard testimony today. Why doesn't Brandy had posted why
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  don't everybody just post pictures of your dogs, your cats, whatever makes you
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  happy? And I ended up with like a sixty a sixty photo slideshow.
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  And so while that was happening, we were playing that too. And you
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  know it, some people could look at it as being really weird to juxtapose
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  the two. However, if you're listening to an autopsy of a service animal
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  is a good thing, Yeah it is, and it is just it's not
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  just as good as in person. But what it does is it boosts that
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  it boosts. It just it it works wonders. The entire crew really liked
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  it, so Laurie Valo was great. It was a great start. It
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  was it was challenging, but I'm glad we did challenging first. But our
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  schedules kind of our schedules changed, but now it's consistent where Brandy streams every
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  single day during day Chord and then I do Monday, Wednesday, Fridays at
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  eight forty five for night Court, and then every other Sunday we have our
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  WTF show, which is just a lot of fun at eight thirty and then
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  the alternative Sunday. I'm now releasing Sidebars, So the series is called Sidebar
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  and it's one shot cases, so it's like forty minutes to like an hour
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  and a half depending on what the case is. And there's visuals now and
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  movie kind of images and stuff which is fun. It's nifty to do,
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  and yeah, so I think that's going to just kind of keep going.
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  It's worked out. The formulas worn't no, that is good. So you
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  need to look at the case. It's called the Blue Eyed Butcher. It
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  was one of my first cases when I started my podcast, Susan Wright,
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  the prosecutor from Harris County, Texas. The court stuff is amazing. She
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  took it. I'm not gonna give a lot of details if you want to
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  go listen to that episode. Let's just say she brought the theatrics into the
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  courtroom and reannounced it. Oh my god, this is one of the first
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  if her entire, if her entire trials on, then yeah, you'll have
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  to look, but I mean it, I'll have to find it. It
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  be Craig. Craig, Well, I've got a good most of Like,
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  that's something that I love doing, is you know, when we came up
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  with the idea of night court and doing throwback trials, that's something I love,
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  you know me, I mean, I really like that stuff. And
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  so Jody Arius was was a good, well, a good bad good first
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  trial for that and I'm excited because this is going to come out out afterwards.
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  But we're interviewing Kirk Nurmi, who was hit her defense attorney, right,
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  and so that's gonna be a lot of fun and her wrecking, but
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  fun. He's a he's a he seems like a really great guy. I've
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  been watching a lot of his videos and stuff. He's really kind of turned
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  his life around healthwise and then just outlook wise, and especially after the lawsuit
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  with Jodi, etc. So nice. Well, I'm excited anyways, and
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  I do have tonight. I decided to go a champagne who get all fashioned
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  champagne because I needed the bubbles, and I ordered glitter because you now have
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  edible glitter you can put in your champagne right, and the bubbles make it
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  sparkle more. And when I opened the container, the dog came in.
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  It startled me and I dropped it and it went all over my floor and
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  then the dog licked it. So I'm sure tomorrow when I do poopa scoop
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  in my yard, it's going to be very pretty. Oh my gosh,
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  you can convince the little that a tunicorn showed up. It's I mean,
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  we're talking the entire container. It's I want to be sparkly in my back
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  job. So is edible glitter much like just regular glitter, and that it
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  literally does get everywhere or is there like a different consistency, so it's a
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  little bit easier to it's like a really fine powder. Oh god. So
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  in some ways it's even worse like I literally think, God, he was
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  licking my tile floor because I was gonna have to mop it because after he
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  ate all of it, it was still shimmery almost. I know you may
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  or may not know this. It's almost like when you put bronze or on
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  your face and it just kind of oh yeah, it's like that on my
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  tile floor. I mean, you basically have a jazzled your floor. I
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  did, so next time I'm going to order some more and I'm gonna keep
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  it in my office. Do you have a carpet in your office, because
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  now I'm worried. No, I have tile. Well, I have area
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  rugs too, but at least then I could vacuum it up. But if
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  the dog doesn't hit me, I won't drop it and spill it. Ideally,
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  yes, yes, oh man, that's that's my worst nightmare. Yeah.
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  So luckily HH was home, or he would have been wondering what kind
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  of party I had and been like, um, where were the dancers?
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  Right? Speaking of dancers, I am very excited about this episode. We
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  are recording a little later than we normally were normally a little bit more ahead,
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  but we pushed episode. Now we have an episode recorded, We're just
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  pushing it so that we could do something special for Pride Month just because of
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  all of the BS shit going on with Target and bub Bite and I'm just
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  over it. Posted on my Instagram that celebrating Pride Month is not necessarily about
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  just celebrating the differences. It's about letting a child know it's okay and it's
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  better than being dead. Right, Yeah, good god, Yes, I
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  wrote I wrote a post. Let me see if I can find it here.
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  Oh yes, I've got family friends long time and they live in Florida,
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  because of course they do. And it's they're they're a little on the
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  opposite spectrum is me. And they posted something that has said, basically was
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  complaining about having to not only teach kids about the birds and the bees,
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  but the bees and the bees and the birds and the birds and bloody,
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  bloody blod wise, life so complicated now, And you know the post itself
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  is a pain in the butt. But then you're inviting comments that are very
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  hurtful, like stupid world now, shouldn't have to so dumb? This is
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  ridiculous. The world hasn't changed. The lgbt QIA plus have been here all
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  along. You just happen to care all of a sudden because somebody told you
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  to, you know, I wrote, like, why don't we just teach
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  kids to be genuine to themselves and be kind to one another and love it
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  accept one another, not to judge based on who someone else loves. I
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  mean, it's not a new concept to love somebody or care about somebody.
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  And it's even a Christian one, believe it or not believe it is.
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  You know, no child complained about the state of the world right this thing
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  the state of the world, And no child's complained currently about the state of
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  the world other than to say it's pretty effed up and it needs fixed and
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  it needs to be more than just accepting. And then also other to say
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  that, other than to say that guns have more rights than people a lot
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  of the time, and they're the leading cause of death and children. Now
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  I'm not saying that they're an issue. They just we need some laws.
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  You know. The problem is that these folks are trying to tell kids what
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  kindness is, but what they're telling them was that it's conditional. And that's
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  a problem and I don't find it reasonable. People really need to kind of
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  get their ship together. It's it's conditional, but it's also I will only
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  love you if you think the same way I think, or feel the same
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  way I think. So that's a problem because we're not Stepford wives. Do
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  we really want to live in a society where we all think the exact same
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  way, we all look the same, because, let me tell you,
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  it would be pretty boring. There are some folks out there we've heard recently
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  that really wish we all did look the same. But it's um, it's
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  just one of those things where, like last year, one of the highlights
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  of my life was taking my kids to Day of Pride right here in the
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  city. Their only response back to me after they left that you know,
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  they had a great time. I had a great time. We all had
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  agreed time. There only were Their only question when we left was what language
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  were those folks speaking. There were no other questions, why why was that
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  gentleman in a dress? Or were those guys or gals? Or why were
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  they together? Or none of that. It was what language were they speaking?
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  They had a fantastic time. They saw a lot of different stuff,
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  not inappropriate stuff. I don't find it inappropriate, but that was the only
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  question they had, And that was like one of the highlights of my life.
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  You know why, because kids are better people than we are. They
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  really are. I mean, they're not as judgmental as we are. They
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  are, you know, like with my granddaughter, I'll never forget. One
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  day, I was like, so, which from are you talking about?
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  The girl in the yellow shirt? Okay, why wasn't at school with you,
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  sweetheart? I don't know if she was wearing a yellow shirt. Can
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  you give me a little more detail? And so she goes, oh,
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  well, her favorite colors red, she liked to sit next to me in
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  the cafeteria, and she has that real curly, curly hair. I was
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  like, I'm gonna need a little bit more. But what I loved is
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  I have friends who's kids and grandkids. They'll say, oh you remember,
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  or oh my black friend and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
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  whoa, why did we go there? Or they say my peach colored friend
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  and I'm like, I haven't met any of those what are you talking about?
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  But I love that my granddaughter is telling me about the person, what
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  her favorite color is, that she likes to sit next to me, and
• 25:37
  I wish adults could be that way. Yeah, oh yeah, oh absolutely
• 25:42
  now listen, I I don't. I don't advocate for color blindness. Yeah,
• 25:49
  that's the opposite, right, but I do think that we do.
• 25:52
  We need to focus on what makes a person that person. You know,
• 25:56
  what are their likes, what are their dislikes, what are there you know
• 25:59
  what I mean? Like like if you described to me, oh, she
• 26:03
  loves pink and she believes she bleeds pink blood, that describes me. It's
• 26:07
  good and I try to be kind. Well yeah, yeah, well,
• 26:14
  and like you know, matt I came in from work one day and Matthew,
• 26:18
  having to be home with carrying carry was painting her nails. And Matthew
• 26:19
  was like painting my nails too, And so I came in and Matthew was
• 26:22
  rocking the nail polish, all of it like blue, and he went he
• 26:27
  went to his daycare like that. He walks around like that. He loves
• 26:30
  it. I love it. I wear nail polish too every now and again.
• 26:33
  So it's just in fact, I just ordered a cool nail polish.
• 26:37
  It's black and shimmery and it's an Adam Lambert part of that collection, and
• 26:41
  I'm so excited to try it. Anyways, but I mean, it's even
• 26:45
  a handsome hobby has let my granddaughter paint his nails. Right there's and I
• 26:52
  was my thing in this world that says nail polish is just for one or
• 26:56
  you know what I mean that I agree, So I guess, you know,
• 27:00
  it kind of said we're doing Pride Month. I know we each did
• 27:06
  a little bit different on our cases, and I'm kind of excited about yours.
• 27:14
  Yeah, you get to go first today. I had not. I
• 27:19
  didn't know a lot about my topic, which is weird because it's kind of
• 27:23
  the starting point in a lot of different things for I guess advocacy, activism,
• 27:30
  and pride, and so mine is the Stonewall Riots, which is a
• 27:36
  turning point in LGBTQ I A plus history. And it wasn't and I think
• 27:42
  I mentioned this in the script, but I want to say that it wasn't
• 27:45
  like the Fulcrum where everything shifted. Things were happening before that. This just
• 27:52
  happens to be generally as loud and proud and recognized as what happened to kind
• 27:56
  of push pride events forward. If you're ready, I can get into it.
• 28:03
  I am ready because I have to be so open as I like to
• 28:10
  be. I did not go and research it or read it before recording.
• 28:18
  Well, there's a lot that happened. There's a lot of aftermath in terms
• 28:22
  of positive So I think there are moments in history where you just know something
• 28:30
  special is going to happen, kind of moments in which you just know something
• 28:34
  good is going on and something amazing is going to come out of it.
• 28:37
  And you know, while the Stonewall Riots had some violence associated and some hatred
• 28:44
  and a lot of other stuff, you know, they were a series of
• 28:48
  protests that took place in June nineteen sixty nine in New York City and were
• 28:53
  these riots were led by members of the lgbtq I A plus community, and
• 29:00
  these protests are widely considered to be the turning point for rights in the US
• 29:07
  and around the world. And so the riots, which have also been called
• 29:11
  the Uprising Rebellion or just Stonewall, were a collection of protests in response to
• 29:15
  a police raid that took place on June twenty eighth, nineteen sixty nine,
• 29:22
  at what was called the Stonewall in let's not delay any longer. Let's get
• 29:26
  into this and set the stage, shall we. Let's do it. I
• 29:30
  think it's safe to say that the fifties and sixties weren't very accepting of anyone
• 29:34
  who wasn't in the mainstream in terms of beliefs, who they loved, what
• 29:37
  they practiced. And honestly, I'd argue today, thanks to some stuff going
• 29:42
  on, and by that I mean everything going on, we've taken steps backwards
• 29:48
  and it's disheartening, but we can still do stuff about it, which is
• 29:52
  good. There were very few places in the fifties and sixties that welcome to
• 29:56
  gay people at all. And something that I didn't know was that the places
• 30:02
  that did welcome gay people were usually run by organized crime, like the mafia.
• 30:07
  I don't know if you were aware of things now, I was not.
• 30:12
  I guess it makes sense since it's illegal to have a gay bar at
• 30:15
  that point, organized crime might run it. Not only was it the culture
• 30:18
  homophobic, but so was the justice and legal system. So there was no
• 30:23
  winning and it's just not good. And despite that, and in the spirit
• 30:26
  of the sixties, social political movements increased their activity. The counterculture, anti
• 30:33
  Vietnam War protests and more all led to what became the Stonewall Riots, and
• 30:37
  it made it possible for it to happen. It always gets me talking about
• 30:42
  this stuff. In twentieth century United States, we were working through the devastation
• 30:48
  of World War Two, and when something so terrible occurs, a group of
• 30:52
  people kind of seek comfort in the familiar, and for the US it was
• 30:56
  kind of whatever predated the war. Any changes coming, we're basically going to
• 31:02
  be held off for the foreseeable future. It's like, we just can't handle
• 31:04
  one more thing right now. We're just going to stick to what we know
• 31:07
  and we're comfortable with. Sometimes that's a coping mechanism. Oh yeah, Oh,
• 31:11
  I think it is the nation's coping mechanism. I think that's what we
• 31:15
  do. When nine to eleven happened, we sat back on patriotism. It's
• 31:19
  what we were comfortable with. It's what we knew. Now we quickly forgot
• 31:23
  that we were all one nation, but that's what we said. That's what
• 31:26
  we kind of rested on. But like overall, you can't just hold things
• 31:33
  off, and that's not how it works. Change comes, whether you'll want
• 31:36
  it to or not, and it's kind of how about it. It's how
• 31:38
  you handle it and respond to it, right, not to lecture. So
• 31:44
  the stonewall in was a gay bar located in Greenwich Village, New York City,
• 31:48
  and at the time, being gay was illegal in New York and the
• 31:51
  police frequently rated gay bars, arresting and harassing the patrons. The stone Wall
• 31:55
  In was no exception. In fact, it was rated by the police on
• 31:59
  June twenty, nineteen sixty nine, which led to those Stonewall riots. So
• 32:04
  describing the Stonewall In Wow, it would not get a good YELP review today.
• 32:09
  So the Stonewall Inn was located at fifty one and fifty three Christopher Street
• 32:15
  and it was owned by the Genevese crime family and three members of the mafia.
• 32:21
  In nineteen sixty six had invested thirty five hundred to turn Stonewall In into
• 32:24
  a gay bar, and it was a restaurant and nightclub. Originally it was
• 32:28
  a restaurant and nightclub for heterosexuals and Genevesee. I didn't look into the Genevese
• 32:34
  family, but I know I've heard that name many times. I'm pretty sure
• 32:37
  that was a pretty big mafia family. Police officers for Stonewall and other gay
• 32:42
  bars were collected payoffs so that the Inn wouldn't be rated. On top of
• 32:46
  that, Stonewall didn't have a liquor license either, hence the play the payoffs.
• 32:51
  There also was no running water behind the bar. Dirty glasses were run
• 32:54
  through tubs of water and used right after. There were no fire exits.
• 33:00
  Toilets were over would over run, running, over, clog, whatever you
• 33:04
  want to call it. Black market activities took place at the Stonewall in and
• 33:08
  I knew that a lot of people would focus on just those small things that
• 33:12
  we're going wrong, but overwhelmingly, yeah, right, but overwhelmingly it was
• 33:17
  a place for gay people to be themselves and dancing was the biggest draw,
• 33:22
  and it was known as the gay bar in New York City. And despite
• 33:27
  some of that other stuff, if you don't have another place to go,
• 33:30
  and this is the place you know to find people like you, you know,
• 33:36
  then you know you're gonna kind of put up with a lot of stuff.
• 33:39
  And see that's the mafia. Families knew that. They knew that,
• 33:43
  so they put very little money into it, but pulled a lot of money
• 33:45
  out of it. Right, that's the that's their business plan. It is
• 33:51
  their business plan. So police raids were pretty common. Like I said,
• 33:54
  they usually happened around once a month per bar. Usually management would know ahead
• 34:00
  of time because of tips, and the raids would happen earlier in the evening,
• 34:04
  so that helped out. When raids happened, the lights turned on,
• 34:07
  everybody was lined up, they had their IDs checked and those without IDs or
• 34:12
  those in drag were just straight up arrested. Others could leave. Women were
• 34:15
  required to wear three pieces of feminine clothing and if they weren't, they would
• 34:19
  be arrested. Hold on what is considered feminine pieces of feminine clothing. It's
• 34:25
  very subjective, isn't it, Like? What is that? All? Right?
• 34:31
  Right? I don't know. I mean, I guess it's up to
• 34:35
  the police. I guess it's up to that one person that one day and
• 34:37
  how they felt. Okay, it's not a problem at all. Right.
• 34:42
  There were some I'll mention a little more in terms of what these were.
• 34:45
  But on top of on top of that, right before the riots, raids
• 34:50
  grew more frequent and there was a raid just a week before the riots at
• 34:54
  Stonewall. And in addition, clubs in Greenwich Village were closing down due to
• 34:58
  the raids because people would go back back. They wouldn't go back for the
• 35:01
  fear of being arrested. And so the mafia owners on top of that were
• 35:06
  blackmail on the wealthy customers, probably because wealthy people would come into the stonewall
• 35:10
  in to be themselves and they would blackmail them saying we saw you here,
• 35:15
  and we will let everybody know. They were making more money from the extortion
• 35:19
  than the actual liquor sales, so it wasn't really a safe place that they
• 35:22
  were touting it to be. They wanted you to come here, put money
• 35:27
  in, and then let me blackmail you where you thought it could be with
• 35:30
  light minded people. Okay, I think by today's standards it was most assuredly
• 35:37
  not. It was definitely a very scary place. I would imagine by today's
• 35:42
  standards it was not a place that you'd probably find yourself willingly go into.
• 35:46
  But at that point, if you don't have anywhere at all, and you
• 35:52
  know you can, you can tell how desperate people were to find a community
• 35:54
  because the wealthy and influential people were traveling all the way to Greenwich Village to
• 36:01
  go. The problem was was that when because they were making more money from
• 36:07
  the extortion than the liquor sales, eventually police couldn't get their money or kickbacks
• 36:10
  and so they decided it was time to close the end permanently with one big
• 36:15
  raid. Let's kind of go through what happened with the riots. Hopefully I've
• 36:19
  kind of given enough, maybe too much background information. Also, if I
• 36:23
  get anything wrong, y'all are more than welcome to let me know. I
• 36:27
  like learning new things. So, and where do they find you at?
• 36:31
  Anywhere? That says JT Bruise crime. Really, honestly, you'll find me
• 36:37
  if you search that. At this point it gets around guys to find I'm
• 36:43
  really easy to find. I live up to my last name. End of
• 36:45
  story. So there it is. I was waiting for Dysmacy in the forehead.
• 36:57
  I've never made that joke with you. You have, but I never
• 37:00
  you have. But it caught me all sard today caught me a little off
• 37:04
  guard. You know. In college it was a different way that I lived
• 37:07
  up to my last name. But this time it's podcasts and social media.
• 37:09
  I'm just all over the place. That is a ball. Gag is what
• 37:15
  that is? Stress ball on the other side is a whip and okay,
• 37:22
  acceptance. I don't judge. Hey, as long is this consensual, you
• 37:25
  do you? As long as it's consensual and doesn't include children or animals.
• 37:30
  Go for it. I know that that was that was a given. I
• 37:34
  just wanted to add add that on there. I don't want it. It's
• 37:37
  got to be consentual. You must be over the age of eighteen, Yes,
• 37:42
  and they you have to have two legs and two arms, not four
• 37:45
  legs, not three legs. Yeah, yes, you could have you could
• 37:52
  have one less, you could have one arm, or you could have one
• 37:54
  arm, would be fine, Homo sapiens whatever, consensual. Well, over
• 38:00
  eighteen, there's no good way this is gonna end. Okay, I'm just
• 38:07
  gonna go back to continue, sir. Oh right, So we're gonna talk
• 38:15
  about what happened with the riots. It was a crappy time for those in
• 38:19
  the community, and that it was violent, it was hateful, it was
• 38:22
  vengeful, just terrible. So that on top of financial stuff, topped with
• 38:27
  mafia owners, topped off with whatever else you could think of, just kind
• 38:30
  of all blended together into George Clooney's perfect frigging storm and the riots. I
• 38:37
  guess I could have said Josh Hartnett and oh John c Riley was in it
• 38:39
  too, wasn't Riley? Yes? I love I love John c Riley so
• 38:44
  much. Four undercover officers, two men and two women went into the bar
• 38:47
  early and they were looking for anything visual in terms of evidence. Undercover.
• 38:52
  Those undercover police called for backup using a pay phone because sixties and yeah,
• 39:00
  it was just boys there than just Superman changing his clothes. Yeah, I
• 39:05
  suppose it's just not fun to think about. I like to think about Rue
• 39:07
  Paul going in there and coming out as just like all up and drag,
• 39:13
  all up, and I like that all up and fab yes, fabriman.
• 39:21
  I don't know, but my intelligence is way down. Employees weren't tipped off,
• 39:27
  but there was a rumor it might happen. At one twenty am,
• 39:30
  plane closed officers and two patrol officers arrived at the double doors and announced that
• 39:35
  they were that they were taking the place. There were two hundred and five
• 39:38
  people in the bar. Michael Fader was quoted as saying things happened so fast
• 39:42
  you kind of got caught not knowing. All of a sudden, there were
• 39:45
  police and police there and we were told to all get in lines and to
• 39:49
  have our identification ready to be led out of the bar. Now, that
• 39:52
  didn't go as planned. So what they did was they'd usually line up folks,
• 40:00
  right, they check their IDs. They had female officers take those dressed
• 40:04
  as women to the bathroom to verify that they were women. Yep, well
• 40:08
  to verify. I bet they got a few surprises. Yeah, yeah,
• 40:15
  and if they did, they went to jail. That's the thing, like,
• 40:16
  that's it's just yeah, it's like things are better today, but they're
• 40:21
  not because what states are passing the whole right except for I think it was
• 40:25
  Tennessee just got shut down and said it was unconstitutional. Good, Tennessee is
• 40:31
  on my shit list right now. Oh, they're trying to become Florida.
• 40:35
  Oh yeah, oh for sure. If the past like two months haven't said
• 40:39
  anything. Oh, there are way too many people trying to earn the Florida
• 40:44
  Award. It's not one you want. It's not the Nobel Peace Prize.
• 40:47
  Um, go for something else that's helpful. Those who they lined up started
• 40:52
  refusing to present identification, and police took everyone present. Police's plan was to
• 41:00
  take everyone present to the police station. Apparently all two hundred and four people
• 41:05
  they tried to. They decided that they were going to do that. They
• 41:08
  separated those suspected of cross dressing patrons and police said that there was just kind
• 41:14
  of an air of discomfort, and police began to assault lesbians by feeling them
• 41:19
  up inappropriately while frisking them. Sexual assault people. Sorry, yeah, I'm
• 41:25
  gonna just shush. Well, no, you're right, but I mean,
• 41:29
  these are folks that they just these are folks that they just didn't think we're
• 41:34
  deserved human rights. Right, It's horrible. Those who weren't arrested were released.
• 41:39
  But and what would usually happen is during a raid, if if they
• 41:44
  weren't arrested and they were just they just left, they would just go.
• 41:50
  But this time they didn't actually leave. They might have walked out of the
• 41:53
  inn, but the crowd outside started growing soon after. One hundred to one
• 42:00
  hundred and fifty people were just outside the end, just waiting, just chilling,
• 42:05
  right. Some were from Stonewall, some were observers that saw them were
• 42:08
  just like, we're going. Some didn't know what was up, so they're
• 42:12
  just sticking around. Police pushed and kicked some patrons out of the bar,
• 42:15
  but the people that were released performed for the crowd, which is awesome,
• 42:22
  truly, this is great. So they performed for the crowd. They posed
• 42:25
  they saluted the police. They were just like mocking the police, just in
• 42:30
  a in a humorous way. The crowd thought it was hysterical. So of
• 42:32
  course, if you know, if there anything like me, the crowd laughed.
• 42:37
  You think you're funny, you do more, the crowd like, you
• 42:38
  know, it's just like the circle of just encouragement. Yeah. Eventually,
• 42:44
  the first wagon, because that's what they were, the first wagon arrived to
• 42:47
  take folks to jail. The crowd by then had grown to ten times the
• 42:52
  number of people who were arrested. And when that first wagon arrived, they
• 42:57
  all got really quiet, just really quiet, the complete opposite of what you'd
• 43:02
  think it would be, right. And then so the first wagon showed up.
• 43:07
  The second wagon was confused or was delayed by some confusion in terms of
• 43:10
  directions or something in terms of in terms of who they arrested and loaded in.
• 43:15
  They actually loaded the mafia members in first, and then they loaded in
• 43:21
  the employees. And then all of a sudden, you know, a bystander
• 43:24
  yelled gay power. Which I think it's so interesting because nowadays somebody says something
• 43:32
  like that and you're like, well, they're they're trying to say something.
• 43:36
  But then you just didn't scream that, right, it's just not something you
• 43:38
  said, and so that's a big move. And then all of a sudden,
• 43:42
  others started singing we shall overcome. The crowd basically had a really good
• 43:45
  sense of humor to everything. There was this wave of hostility coming in terms
• 43:52
  of how they felt about how things were going and people being treated. Overall,
• 43:55
  though you had that good sense of humor. Then an officer shoved a
• 44:00
  person in drag and she responded by hitting him on the head with her purse,
• 44:06
  and the crowd booed as she did it. I mean I agree with
• 44:08
  that, right, yeah, I mean it's a police officer, so you
• 44:13
  probably shouldn't do that, but also they shouldn't shove you, but they shouldn't
• 44:15
  shut you. Just because you're a police officer doesn't mean you have more rights
• 44:19
  than me. Oh yeah, I just saw a video today of a woman
• 44:23
  who was being She was being very loud and mouthy, and she was at
• 44:27
  a hospital or something getting checked out. She had her hand she had her
• 44:30
  hands handcuffed behind her back. She did haka lugie the floor and then kind
• 44:34
  of at the police officer. But she's handcuffed and instead of the police officer
• 44:37
  trying to like rearrange or move or whatever. He like cold cocked her in
• 44:42
  the face. She's handcuffed, and he just like that assault. He's apparently
• 44:49
  been fired, so okay, well, and in her spinning on him could
• 44:52
  be considered assault. I think they've charged assault for that. So it depends
• 44:57
  on the state because if they have it this community well disease or things like
• 45:00
  that. She said she spit it on the floor, the floor, and
• 45:04
  then she kind of aimed one at him. And I get that, that's
• 45:07
  that's frustrating, but you're you're in frustrating situations all the time. You're in
• 45:12
  a controlled setting. She's got her handcuffed hands, and then you're just gonna
• 45:15
  haul just yeah. Anyway, so this is still happening that that policeman has
• 45:21
  apparently been fired. So that was quick. Hey, good police officer,
• 45:25
  don't call me. I'm a recruiter, but I don't help fired police officers
• 45:30
  get jobs. No. So somebody, somebody's quoted as saying that everyone's restless,
• 45:35
  angry, and high spirited. No one has a slogan, no one
• 45:37
  even has an attitude. But something is brewing. You can just feel something
• 45:42
  happening, So pennies and beer bottles were thrown at the wagons. Rumors spread
• 45:46
  about patrons still being beaten in the bar. Now, I don't have anything
• 45:51
  to confirm that rumors get spread, right, this is Fleetwood mac taught us
• 45:54
  about this. And so a woman in handcuffs was being escorted from the door
• 46:00
  to the wagon and she multiple multiple times, she repeatedly escaped and fought with
• 46:06
  police. She was in handcuffs and she was escaping and but the problem was
• 46:10
  was that eventually, eventually she was hit on the head with a baton after
• 46:15
  complaining that her cuffs were too tight. So it had nothing to do with
• 46:17
  the escape. She complained about the cuffs being too tight. Now, some
• 46:22
  people have named this person as Stormy Delivery, who was a well known drag
• 46:28
  king. That happened, and then as soon as as soon as the baton
• 46:32
  hit happened, she looked at the crowd and yelled, why don't you guys
• 46:37
  do something? And she was thrown back into the group and the crowd quicklyly
• 46:42
  became a violent mob. There's there's your spark, right, police tried.
• 46:49
  I'd pat them on the head and say it was cute, but It really
• 46:52
  wasn't even close. It truly was not at all. So this happened.
• 46:57
  More handcuffed people escaped as police them on its handed to battle the other people.
• 47:01
  The crowd tried to overturn a wagon and two police cars on the wagon
• 47:05
  got away with slash tires, but it hustled out of there. It's just
• 47:12
  my favorite thing in the world, not not the violence, not that people
• 47:14
  got hurt, but just the concept of you have been so so abusive towards
• 47:21
  the community right and now the community that you say are quote unquote pansies,
• 47:27
  etc. Add other words to it, are kicking your ass, And it's
• 47:31
  my favorite thing in the world. It's not fun to have your ass kicked
• 47:34
  with heels just saying no. I want to thank you for listening to True
• 47:45
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• 47:50
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• 48:05
  keep that wine flowing. So the commotion brought even more people coming in who
• 48:15
  were trying to figure out what was happening as everything was going on, and
• 48:20
  someone yelled that they rated because someone didn't pay them off, and their response
• 48:23
  was, well, let's pay them off, and so they started throwing things
• 48:29
  at police, and people were yelling things like pigs and not my word,
• 48:34
  not my phrase, but their phrase, faggot cops. And so they were
• 48:37
  just throwing things at them, throwing things, and so they were like,
• 48:40
  all right, we'll pay them. So the police were outnumbered by like five
• 48:45
  hundred to six hundred people. Nice, it's in spade, I like it.
• 48:50
  Yeah, And so all in all, thirteen total were arrested that night.
• 48:54
  Ten police ended up having to barricade themselves in the stone Wall in for
• 48:59
  their own safety. And before the so before the riot, there were no
• 49:02
  plans to do this, there was no organization. So yeah, it just
• 49:07
  happened. And so I quoted Michael Fader before but he said, and this
• 49:12
  is a little longer, but I think it's a great description. He said,
• 49:14
  we all had a collective feeling like we'd had enough of this kind of
• 49:17
  shit. It wasn't anything tangible anybody said to anybody else. It wasn't just
• 49:22
  kind of like everything or it was just kind of like everything over the years
• 49:25
  had come to a head on that one particular night, in that one particular
• 49:30
  place, and it was not an organized demonstration. Everyone in the crowd felt
• 49:34
  that we were never going to go back. It was like the last straw.
• 49:37
  It was time to reclaim something that had always been taken from us.
• 49:42
  All kinds of people, all different reasons, but mostly it was total outrage,
• 49:45
  anger, sorrow, everything combined and everything just kind of ran its course.
• 49:50
  It was the police who were doing most of the destruction. We were
• 49:52
  really trying to get back in and break free, and we felt that we
• 49:57
  had freedom at last, or freedom to least show that we demanded freedom.
• 50:01
  We weren't going to be walking meekly into the night and letting them shove us
• 50:05
  around. It's like standing your ground for the first time and in a really
• 50:08
  strong way, and that's what caught the police by surprise. There was something
• 50:13
  in the air, freedom a long time overdue, and we were going to
• 50:15
  fight for it. It took different forms, but the bottom line was we
• 50:19
  weren't going to go away, and we didn't. And I love that.
• 50:24
  Another person said it. Another explanation said it. It catered largely to a
• 50:31
  group of people who are not welcome in in terms of stonewall or cannot afford
• 50:36
  other places of like homosexual social gatherings. And so the stonewall became home to
• 50:42
  the kids who were like in the parks, who were abandoned when they said
• 50:45
  they were gay, when they were thrown to the side, and when it
• 50:47
  was rated, those kids fought for it. That and the fact that they
• 50:52
  had nothing to lose other than the most tolerant and broad minded gay place in
• 50:55
  town, and so they were going to fight. Everything that could be picked
• 51:00
  up was thrown at the building to get to the police, breaking windows.
• 51:04
  The most outcast people in the gay community tossed the first items. They even
• 51:08
  uprooted a parking meter and used it as a battering ram. It's just like
• 51:15
  I would love to see this play out as like a scene in Lord of
• 51:17
  the Rings. Truly, it would make my day. They lit garbage on
• 51:22
  fire, stuffed it through broken windows, police unholstered their pistols, doors flew
• 51:28
  open to the bar, and it was like a real like Braveheart situation like
• 51:31
  hold. And so the entire thing lasted forty five minutes, and I'm exhausted
• 51:38
  us. That's a good amount of time. It is so tactical police tactical
• 51:46
  patrol force from the NYPD was called to save the police in Stonewall. Someone
• 51:52
  walking, So I just imagined this whole thing going down, and there's this
• 51:55
  person who's just walking their dog by just like but they quoted this person walking
• 52:00
  their dog by that said I had been in enough riots to know the fun
• 52:05
  was over. The cops were totally humiliated. This never ever happened. They
• 52:09
  were angrier than I guess they had ever been because everybody else had rioted,
• 52:15
  but the fairies were not supposed to riot. No group had ever forced cops
• 52:19
  to retreat before. So the anger was just enormous. I mean, they
• 52:22
  wanted to kill and so things are things escalated. I just love the concept
• 52:28
  of, like, I really want to create an like a music album that
• 52:30
  says fairies aren't supposed to riot, because I just that is kind of like
• 52:37
  it It's it's merch, is what it is. It's I mean, you
• 52:42
  might need to make a shirt, I know, but it's just like welcome
• 52:45
  to the show, Like this is what happens after so long. Um,
• 52:50
  so a fight erupted that tactical Pot Patrol Force TPF tried some tactics the crowd.
• 52:58
  Their tactics ended up in the crowd forming a kick line and singing Tara
• 53:00
  Ra boomda, which which so so they they they sang their own lyrics to
• 53:08
  Tara ra boom day and I have them here, oh oh, and this
• 53:14
  is and and everybody is welcome for this. We are the stone Wall Girls.
• 53:19
  We wear our hair and curls. We don't wear underwear. We show
• 53:22
  our pubic hair. And so that's wow. Kick line. I love it.
• 53:30
  I love it so much. Just almost visualized the place officer's face.
• 53:37
  They're like, I mean, I, oh my god, I love that.
• 53:43
  Another quote from somebody was I just can't get that one site out of
• 53:46
  my mind. The cops with the nightsticks and the kick line on the other
• 53:50
  side, it was the most amazing thing. And all of a sudden,
• 53:52
  the kick line, which I guess was a spoof on the MACHIESMO, I
• 53:55
  think that's what I think. That's when I basically felt outrage because people were
• 54:00
  getting smashed with bats and for what a kick line. You know, they're
• 54:06
  creating this, like, not not on purpose, but they've created this like
• 54:09
  totally innocuous, neutral action, which then was being met with violence, and
• 54:17
  so it was like, I mean, if you're going to get violent over
• 54:20
  that, then yeah, I guess it's time to to to hit back.
• 54:23
  So the riots went into the early morning and there was basically a continuous pushback
• 54:30
  on the police. They just pushed him back, shoved him back, way
• 54:37
  back. And on top of that, the police were chasing ghosts. They
• 54:42
  would chase someone and then that same person would appear somewhere else, having gone
• 54:45
  through an alley and stuff. It was very Scooby Doo like Reggy yeah,
• 54:51
  like the links. And so the mob stopped cars, they overturned one to
• 54:55
  block Christopher Street from the police. They chased police for blocks, screaming catch
• 55:00
  them. The riot had nearly The riot nearly ended around four am, and
• 55:05
  it was eagerie because once it ended, like it just kind of got quiet,
• 55:08
  but there was still this feeling of electricity and energy. And that was
• 55:13
  the first night. Oh it's more than one night. Yeah, yeah,
• 55:17
  I don't know why I thought it was always one night. The second night
• 55:21
  the description isn't as long, but so between the first and second night,
• 55:25
  The New York Times, the New York Post, the Daily News covered the
• 55:29
  riots, which made it spread like wildfire, and so people came in to
• 55:34
  stare at the stone wall, basically to stare at the stone wall in they
• 55:37
  came to look at it, and graffiti showed up and it said drag power,
• 55:42
  they invaded our rights, support gay power, legalize gay bars. All
• 55:45
  of this was just building and the next night rioting began around Christopher Street.
• 55:50
  Again. I think one of the things that was so remarkable about the riots
• 55:53
  wasn't exactly the work they gave to police, because believe me, they gave
• 55:58
  them a hard time, but it was the fact that there were now open
• 56:00
  acts of homosexuality on the streets. Just I went and pulled up some pictures,
• 56:07
  Oh did you and they are actually like holding hands kissing, and one
• 56:13
  it has a sign that says, drag it out in the open. Oh.
• 56:17
  I like that. I don't think I saw that sign, but it
• 56:21
  goes with this quote and it said from going to places where you had to
• 56:23
  knock on the door and speak to someone through a peep hole in order to
• 56:28
  get in, we were just out. We were in the streets. And
• 56:31
  I think that's awesome, and honestly, it just makes me want to cry
• 56:35
  now. And I'm not going to do it, drag it out, but
• 56:37
  I want to like my entire body, just like got I wrote not the
• 56:43
  quote, but I wrote the script and like I just got goose bumps.
• 56:45
  Thousands gathered in front of the Stone Wall, which opened again. They surrounded
• 56:49
  cars driving through, and they wouldn't let cars drive through unless they admitted that
• 56:52
  they were gay or said that they supported the movement. You got options gay
• 56:57
  or you support the movement, which one is and I'm looking at another.
• 57:00
  They're signed that says Homo is healthy. Like I'm not sure that's their word
• 57:04
  their sign. Well, I mean there's a lot of people there. Yeah,
• 57:09
  and this is on night two that you just talked about on Christopher Street.
• 57:13
  There's a lot of people there. And so more than one hundred police
• 57:16
  were present from four different precincts, and they arrested the demonstrators eventually some of
• 57:22
  them. Each time the crowd would surge, So so here's what happened.
• 57:25
  They would arrest or go to arrest, and then the crowd would surge to
• 57:30
  then pull those people back. So it's like this evan flow right. Yeah,
• 57:37
  like we thought we arrested them, but they got pulled back in their
• 57:39
  back. Oh it's beautiful. It's the most organized thing I've ever read about.
• 57:44
  But as like the night previous, this riot would go into four am
• 57:46
  as well. Now the riots continued for six days total, and they were
• 57:52
  marked by clashes between protesters and police. It was the first to get major
• 57:58
  media coverage. The pro tests were led by members of the LGBTQ plus community,
• 58:04
  including Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera. These protests were a pivotal
• 58:08
  moment in history, as they demonstrated that the community was no longer willing to
• 58:14
  accept mistreatment and discrimination. Now, in terms of just a brief talk about
• 58:19
  the aftermath, and then this conclusion will wrap it up, the Stonewall Riots
• 58:22
  had a lasting impact on the community. They sparked a movement for rights and
• 58:29
  paved the way for future activism. The first Pride parade was held in New
• 58:32
  York City on the anniversary of the riots a year later in nineteen seventy,
• 58:37
  and Pride parades and festivals have since become a global phenomenon. The Stonewall Inn
• 58:42
  has also become a symbol of the LGBTQ plus rights movement and is now a
• 58:46
  National Historic Landmark, which is awesome. So those who were moved by the
• 58:52
  rebellion attempt started to attend organized meetings. Lily Vincennes said, it was clear
• 58:59
  that things were changing. People who had felt oppressed now felt empowered. And
• 59:02
  it's mentioned that pride parades came out of the holiday called Christopher Street Liberation Day,
• 59:08
  which is June twenty eighth, and like I said, it started in
• 59:12
  nineteen seventy, a year after the riots, and recognition of this, gay
• 59:16
  pride marches were also included. These happened simultaneously in la and Chicago. These
• 59:22
  were the first gay pride marches in US history, and the next year the
• 59:24
  marches took place in Boston, Dallas, Milwaukee, London, Paris, West
• 59:29
  Berlin, and Stockholm. In nineteen seventy it was nineteen seventy one, Yeah
• 59:35
  seventy one. The march in New York covered fifty one blocks from Christopher Street
• 59:40
  to Central Park. Overall reporting was positive on the event, and there was
• 59:45
  also an increase in gay groups as well. By the time of the riots,
• 59:50
  there were about fifty to sixty in the country, and by the next
• 59:52
  year there were at least fifteen hundred and two years later there were twenty five
• 59:57
  thousand. If that doesn't tell you is something, oh yeah, oh yeah.
• 1:00:02
  Bottom line is, the Stonewall Riots were a pivotal moment for LGBTQIA plus
• 1:00:08
  history, and they represented a turning point in the fight for rights and paved
• 1:00:14
  the way for future activism. The protest demonstrated that the community was no longer
• 1:00:19
  willing to accept mistreatment and discrimination, and while there is still much work to
• 1:00:23
  be done, the Stonewall Riots serve as a reminder of the progress that has
• 1:00:29
  been made and the work that still needs to be done to ensure that everyone's
• 1:00:31
  treated with dignity and respect, regardless of their sexual orientation, gender identity,
• 1:00:37
  or anything else. And so that's the Stonewall Riots. I did not know
• 1:00:44
  all of that. I didn't either until I started reading. And so all
• 1:00:49
  of that happened in nineteen seventy in June, I have to tell you,
• 1:00:55
  I didn't had never even heard the riots, still probably ten years ago.
• 1:01:01
  And like, I'm sure that like the New York Times, New York Post,
• 1:01:06
  the Voice, I know that that they covered it, but I would
• 1:01:08
  imagine that different locations in different states either carried the story or didn't. And
• 1:01:14
  you know where I live right, well, yes, but like also no
• 1:01:17
  social media, so there's no mass broadcasting. So you know, it's a
• 1:01:22
  very um Even in the city you had you know, Queens and Brooklyn and
• 1:01:29
  like Greenwich, you know, the village and like, and they were like
• 1:01:31
  their own bubble, right, you know, and unless you walked to the
• 1:01:37
  next place or drove to the next place, you weren't getting news from the
• 1:01:39
  next place. Now, you know, if your neighborhoods were your tribes of
• 1:01:43
  people, it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if there
• 1:01:46
  was social media. That would be fascinating. Oh, there would be all
• 1:01:51
  I have a feeling there would be a lot of police arrested. Oh definitely.
• 1:01:54
  Wow. Well we both said, well at the same time, and
• 1:01:59
  I say, there's there's good people and bad people in every profession. Because
• 1:02:06
  there's good people in the community and there's not so good people in the community.
• 1:02:10
  So you know, it's so I know it's a touchy subject with everybody,
• 1:02:17
  but I mean, you know, the thought of somebody complaining that their
• 1:02:20
  handcuffs were too tight and then you just bash them over the head with a
• 1:02:22
  Baton. Yeah, I mean like just doesn't need to be done, because
• 1:02:27
  the handsome heavy doesn't do that. When I tell him he's got my handcuffs
• 1:02:29
  too tight, No, he just tightens them more. He doesn't just clock
• 1:02:37
  me one. He's like, thank you, sir, Can I have another?
• 1:02:39
  Click? Well that time? So I'll be honest. I always thought
• 1:02:45
  there was a movie with Sean Penn mel Harvey Milk. Yes, I for
• 1:02:52
  some reason in my uneducated self, thought that was the first big up rising.
• 1:03:00
  So Milk was What year was Milk? Because I'm not good with dates
• 1:03:06
  or math. So he was elected? No, it was earlier than Stonewall
• 1:03:13
  was. Okay, his years of um service were fifty one to fifty five.
• 1:03:19
  He was he was in the Democratic political Party, but he also had
• 1:03:23
  a Republican political party affiliation as well. Okay, the political parties are not
• 1:03:30
  the same as they used to be. Getting the thing in my brain,
• 1:03:34
  that's that's that is fascinating. I'm going to tell you some of these pictures
• 1:03:40
  are fascinating. And tonight I'm gonna be on my tablet in bed and I'm
• 1:03:45
  gonna be doing some some looksies, some lookxies, some lookxies, well,
• 1:03:51
  I'm gonna tell you your case is much more inspiring than mine. No,
• 1:03:54
  no, no, no, not inspiring, because the more I get into
• 1:04:02
  my case and the more research and the more should I read the matter,
• 1:04:08
  I get Well, it's good to cover the positive stuff. We also have
• 1:04:12
  to realize that we can grow from the negative two and so it's yeah.
• 1:04:15
  And I also I'm trying to remind myself. So probably everybody's going wet case.
• 1:04:20
  Is she going to cover that she's got all of these feelings about and
• 1:04:27
  then to say before I tell you the case, I keep trying to remind
• 1:04:30
  myself something was obviously going on in this person's life and he needed some help.
• 1:04:39
  And his cry for help I'm not quite sure if it was a cry
• 1:04:44
  for help or cry for attention. Yeah, but to do what he did,
• 1:04:49
  I think something mentally was going on. Okay, something O, case
• 1:04:57
  you're wondering, I am covering everyone's least favorite actor from Empire, Jesse Smollett.
• 1:05:06
  Oh yeah, I totally blinked on what you were what you were doing.
• 1:05:11
  This fellow who decided to take his acting in the real life into the
• 1:05:15
  real world. He was going to do some improv with the police, department.
• 1:05:19
  I always when things happen, Yes he broke the law, Yes,
• 1:05:26
  I think he had something else going on. I think he was seeking attention,
• 1:05:30
  he was feeling that he wasn't relevant. I don't know, he was
• 1:05:33
  feeling something that led him to these things. So I was like to go
• 1:05:38
  and look and not find an excuse, but find what led it up to.
• 1:05:45
  Even like me and my life, I'm like, why did I keep
• 1:05:49
  dating that type of person. It took a little bit to figure out,
• 1:05:55
  Yeah, it's not them, it's you, because you're going after the wrong
• 1:05:59
  time. I kind of tried to go back and look at that. But
• 1:06:01
  interesting thing I found about Jesse was he was born in Santa Rosa to his
• 1:06:06
  parents. I hope that was to his parents. His parents sorry Joel and
• 1:06:15
  Janet so jj jjj and he was the third of six siblings. His mom
• 1:06:23
  was a homemaker. His dad was a Jewish immigrant from Russia who worked as
• 1:06:28
  a cable splicer. What I found fascinating they say he grew up all of
• 1:06:32
  his siblings they all had creative and artistic stuff, so mom really encouraged all
• 1:06:40
  of that. Kind of tells you where it was. So he started performing
• 1:06:44
  in the local theater productions when he was a child. Wow, okay,
• 1:06:48
  all right, yeah, and he did commercials for like Coca Cola McDonald's.
• 1:06:53
  He and his siblings also had a musical group called the Smollett Family. I
• 1:06:58
  was literally about to ask, like, his parents weren't like the Jackson Five's
• 1:07:01
  parents. Were they? Nowhere did I find? Didn't have crazy, you
• 1:07:06
  know parents? But they released an album in nineteen ninety three called Family Matters.
• 1:07:12
  I'by right infringement arcle was going to sue their ass. I'm like,
• 1:07:15
  okay, did all that. But then he graduated high school and he said,
• 1:07:18
  I am taking this show on the road and I am headed to La
• 1:07:24
  Hallewood. I had never heard of this series. Maybe you have he landed.
• 1:07:30
  His first TV role was on Our Own Ye nope, and it started
• 1:07:36
  him and his siblings. What really? It was also in The Mighty Ducks.
• 1:07:42
  Who did he play in the Mighty Ducks? He was on North as
• 1:07:48
  well. He worked in that that film, and then he guest starred on
• 1:07:51
  a couple of TV shows Revenge, What I know who that kid it is?
• 1:07:58
  He was in Mighty Duck too one two? I think Yeah, he
• 1:08:01
  played this really young kid who ended up being on the Ice. He was
• 1:08:03
  very good and he had an older brother. I think his older brother was
• 1:08:06
  played by Keenan Thompson. I think that's that's him. Anyways, that's fascinating.
• 1:08:11
  I didn't realize that was him. But he was also on Revenge,
• 1:08:15
  Revenge, Revenge, I don't know, revenge. Oh, give it a
• 1:08:18
  goog. It was a good one. He's a good looking guy, so
• 1:08:25
  he was successful. In twenty fifteen, he landed the role of Jamal Lyon
• 1:08:30
  on the hit show Empire, which I don't think there's any rock in the
• 1:08:35
  US that you could live under and now have seen a commercial when that show
• 1:08:40
  came out. I remember at one point I was like, Okay, I
• 1:08:43
  get it. There's an Empire. Yeah, I get it. You know,
• 1:08:47
  based on music industry mogul, the typical stuff. So during his time
• 1:08:55
  on Empire, he actually came out in as gay in an interview with Ellen
• 1:09:00
  DeGeneres. Oh wow. Yeah. So in twenty fifteen he came out as
• 1:09:05
  gay and he became a huge advocate for the LGBLBTQ plus community. But so
• 1:09:13
  he became a big advocate. He also spoke out about the issues of police
• 1:09:16
  brutality and racism, particularly you know the deaths happened with Michael Brown and Eric
• 1:09:23
  Garner. So he became really big thing. But mind you, he lay
• 1:09:30
  into the role in twenty fifteen. He came out in twenty fifteen. By
• 1:09:35
  twenty nineteen, he basically blew up his career. There's a lot of different
• 1:09:44
  articles you can read out there about why he potentially did it. Wasn't getting
• 1:09:47
  as much billing time, he wasn't on camera as much. Who wasn't getting
• 1:09:51
  as many calls and stuff since he came out in twenty fifteen. Twenty nineteen,
• 1:09:59
  he just sides to report to the police in Chicago that he was a
• 1:10:02
  victim of a hate crime. He claimed that two men attacked him in Chicago
• 1:10:08
  shouting racic and homophobic slurs, and they put a noose around his neck and
• 1:10:14
  put a chemical substance on him. Guys that I will never forget reading because
• 1:10:20
  I read the news every morning on my phone. I was like, oh
• 1:10:24
  my god, that is horrific. That is awful that somebody did this to
• 1:10:29
  him, right, I was appalled. I mean, so many celebrities and
• 1:10:34
  politicians were all coming out saying that is not right. You need to not
• 1:10:40
  you know, it's not acceptable. The Chicago police and the FBI got involved
• 1:10:48
  into it because they're like, we need to investigate. This cannot happen.
• 1:10:51
  Chicago has already got enough problems. You can't have this happening right right right.
• 1:10:58
  I mean they got the cubs enough, see, thank you. Well,
• 1:11:01
  but I will tell you the police started investigating, and the FBI,
• 1:11:08
  they instantly started saying, something doesn't pass the sniff test. There just were
• 1:11:15
  a lot of inconsistencies and it just didn't make sense to them. Can you
• 1:11:26
  imagine being the police chief being told, hey, we don't think this actually
• 1:11:30
  happened, but also being in the culture that you're in today, so it's
• 1:11:32
  like, we can't say it didn't happen unless we actually know it didn't happen,
• 1:11:36
  because that would be horrible to deny. Yeah, but then they also
• 1:11:41
  they were like, yeah, he's not doesn't seem to be cooperating as much
• 1:11:44
  with this. His phone records were in question, but just you know,
• 1:11:50
  it was like a month later they announced that they had identified the two suspects
• 1:11:55
  in the case, and they were brothers Able and Ola, and I am
• 1:12:00
  just not even going to try to pronounce their last name, but it starts
• 1:12:03
  with it starts with the no. It's like Sun Darrow, Like, oh
• 1:12:10
  hell no, that sounded right though? How you just said that? Yeah?
• 1:12:14
  They were taken into custody and low and behold Katie bar the door.
• 1:12:18
  It was revealed they had previously worked as extras on the TV show Empire.
• 1:12:26
  Interesting systemic racism and homophobia in the in the entertainment business, say it ain't
• 1:12:32
  so accept it pain't so it ain't. They were eventually released without charges,
• 1:12:41
  okay, and they kept investigating, mind you. That was in February.
• 1:12:45
  Come March, they indicted Jesse on sixteen felony counts of disorderly conduct for fouling
• 1:12:54
  a false police report. The charges carried a potential up to three years in
• 1:12:59
  prison. And it's twenty five thousand dollars five But guess what it gets more
• 1:13:03
  whackadoodle, I billy because Jesse went on every platform that would have him screaming
• 1:13:15
  this happened to me. I did not fake this, I did not set
• 1:13:19
  this up. I was targeted because I am a gay black man, effectively
• 1:13:25
  setting gay black men back. And that's what I said. I mean,
• 1:13:30
  something had to be going on in his brain because this split up his career.
• 1:13:36
  I mean, for sure, there's one thing of staging that you're dating
• 1:13:39
  someone or you know, fake relationship or something. This is a huge problem
• 1:13:45
  because if you cry wolf, the next person it really happens to in Chicago,
• 1:13:50
  they're gonna be like, yeah, now that didn't really happen. I
• 1:13:55
  mean it's Chicago. Yeah. So but needless to say, this was a
• 1:14:00
  highly controversial case. There were people that because, like I said, not
• 1:14:03
  only are you talking a gay man, you're talking a black gay man who
• 1:14:09
  comes out on one of the most popular TV shows and then four years he's
• 1:14:14
  doing this. He in March what he should have just called Ted Kazinski.
• 1:14:18
  Then they both would have felt appreciated, and they exactly that. Why didn't
• 1:14:24
  he just call you an ask for that? A san just call me,
• 1:14:29
  Just call me. Anybody in the entertainment business call me please. It's going
• 1:14:34
  to get more whackadoodle as it is, like I said, Chicago. So
• 1:14:39
  in March, Cook County States Attorney dropped the charges against Jesse Smollett, okay
• 1:14:47
  because he agreed to perform sixteen hours community service and to forfeit his ten thousand
• 1:14:54
  dollars bond? Is that one hour per federal or per federal like felony or
• 1:15:01
  whatever? You did? Math? Well, not well kind of, but
• 1:15:04
  yeah, I can't typically maths, but I'll take it. I think it's
• 1:15:09
  today. A lot of people. They were like, y'all are giving him
• 1:15:12
  preferential treatment. Why first of all, ten thousand dollars, that's it,
• 1:15:16
  you're gonna keep his bond? Don't they keep that? Anyway? Like did
• 1:15:21
  you not see the paychecks on Empire? And then also the royalties if his
• 1:15:28
  agent was good, he's going to get The City of Chicago decided to step
• 1:15:32
  up and they said, uh, this is not happening. They filed a
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  lawsuit against Smollett for one hundred and thirty thousand dollars for the cost of the
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  investigating the hoax. He then filed a countersuit against them, saying I was
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  a victim of a mass public ridicule. Boy, we moved on real fast
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  from the whole like hateful, you know, bashing. He just went straight
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  onto the next thing. Well, is the first one didn't work, That's
• 1:16:06
  not where it ended. So then in February of twenty twenty, a Grand
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  Jurian died in him on six counts of disorderly conduct again for filing a false
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  police report. And I just have to say, how is that disorderly conduct?
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  Disorderly conduct you drink too much, you fall down, or you're making
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  an ass of yourself. How is it disorderly to file a fake report?
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  And that more like fraud? Yeah, I mean it's probably under one of
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  those series of definitions that are way too flipping old. So if there's any
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  attorneys in Chicago who want to at me, I will please take the education
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  because I don't get it. It's it's not disorderly. But anyway, he
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  played not all of the charges. He wound up being convicted of five fellowly
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  counts. I mean, yeah, sentence to one hundred and fifty days in
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  county jail, two and a half years of probation in order to pay one
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  hundred and twenty thousand in restitution in twenty five thousand, and finds basically a
• 1:17:13
  slap on the wrist for crying wolf in destroying It's just like with a rape
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  victim. Rape victims are scared to go for because they're not going to be
• 1:17:25
  believed. He has now set up the next gay black man to not be
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  taken seriously. Yeah, yeah, that's that's I mean, the lying sucks,
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  and you know, the whole trial thing sucks. The please sucks.
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  But what really sucks is that the impact, the lasting impact that it has,
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  you know. And not only that, but it branches out, it
• 1:17:50
  creates a web of just does Yeah. Now, he was released on bond
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  pending his appeal. Mind you one hundred and fifty days. If you are
• 1:18:00
  found guilty, wouldn't you just bite the bullet and serve so one hundred and
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  fifty days county jail, your own, nice little thing. You're not in
• 1:18:09
  gin pop. There's nobody there beating you up. You're in like a protective
• 1:18:14
  custody. Why not your career's over. Why not put the narcissism narcissism stick
• 1:18:19
  down and own up to the fact that you screwed up. Oh you're assuming
• 1:18:27
  he's holding the stick. It's just so far up in. Oh heck,
• 1:18:30
  you're true, you are right. Oh well. They filed opening arguments for
• 1:18:35
  the appeal March second of this year. Now, he has not done any
• 1:18:41
  acting since he was arrested, but he announced his directorial debut with the film
• 1:18:49
  be Boy Blues All right, I said, I think he should just own
• 1:18:54
  up to it, because I know Hollywood can forgive a lot. Let's just
• 1:18:59
  be honest. They can by filing an appeal and continuing to say that the
• 1:19:05
  attack happened that I think this narcissistic asshole needs to get some help. Yeah,
• 1:19:15
  because that is is that really the wholl you want to die on?
• 1:19:18
  Apparently apparently for him, i'd it's just yeah, I don't I don't understand,
• 1:19:26
  but I don't think he's gonna get anywhere with his appeal. The two
• 1:19:30
  brothers just this month started kind of a road tour of telling their side of
• 1:19:39
  what happened, so they basically there's plenty of evidence luck stock Barrel it was
• 1:19:46
  a setup. He I mean, he took his acting to the streets literally,
• 1:19:53
  except he wasn't very bright. Right, So ultimately, I don't know
• 1:19:58
  if he's going to win his appeal. We're gonna have to wait to find
• 1:20:00
  out. I think his career in hollywood's over. Do you think give affairs,
• 1:20:08
  mistresses, illegitimate kids, drug addiction, even murder, it's been forgiven.
• 1:20:16
  I don't know. Hollywood is Hollywood is plagued by two things. One
• 1:20:21
  what is it it's like a bounce back story. You know, they're really
• 1:20:25
  into it. Oh, they're into those comebacks, the comebacks. Yeah,
• 1:20:30
  but will the audience, will the general public, because I have to tell
• 1:20:33
  you unless he comes out and says, I lied, I don't know why
• 1:20:41
  I did it. I did it. I need to go figure out what's
• 1:20:45
  wrong with me. I will never pay a die to watch anything he's in
• 1:20:49
  or he directs, because he's set this community back so far. Yeah,
• 1:20:59
  that's it would take a lot. And that was twenty nineteen. We're in
• 1:21:05
  twenty twenty three and he is still not owning. It comes a point in
• 1:21:09
  time you just gotta stop. Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, that is
• 1:21:15
  my case. And I don't like it, and I don't like him,
• 1:21:20
  Yeah, I don't. I don't like the end result of all of that.
• 1:21:23
  It's very, very frustrating. And I know that, like you know,
• 1:21:27
  the general frustrations, but adding that on top of it, especially anybody
• 1:21:31
  who's in Chicago the surrounding area, it's just it's just not good. So
• 1:21:35
  I will say, if you want to go out there and do some research
• 1:21:42
  on what his family say. So one of six some think he's innocent.
• 1:21:49
  Something he needs to own up to be a liar? Yeah, can you
• 1:21:55
  imagine Thanksgiving Day? I mean, I just want to be a fly.
• 1:22:01
  Yeah, yeah, I'll be a fly. I'll be a fly, maybe
• 1:22:04
  a gnat. I really don't want to be seen. You just want to
• 1:22:09
  be a nat. That was a little dark for Pride month. It's not
• 1:22:12
  all rainbows in Pride parades and dancing and singing. There's but I keep going
• 1:22:20
  back to, is there something inside of him that was scared coming out,
• 1:22:28
  couldn't come out to his family when he was young. I couldn't find any
• 1:22:30
  of that information. Yeah, was he needed something? He did this because
• 1:22:39
  he needed to feel something something was missing, whether it be more career opportunities,
• 1:22:45
  more paychecks, more love in his heart. I would love to know
• 1:22:48
  what his end game was saying. If you would love to come and tell
• 1:22:53
  me your end game at me, I would be more than happy to hear.
• 1:22:58
  And if you want to educate me, I would love to know because
• 1:23:02
  I just don't understand I have a gay son. I have to tell you.
• 1:23:06
  If this was my son, we would be sitting down and having a
• 1:23:11
  heart to heart. Oh would be like, dude, what were you thinking?
• 1:23:17
  Why we need to get you help. Yeah, I mean it's uh,
• 1:23:24
  do you really care about this community because you're an advocate? Mean,
• 1:23:30
  do I think it? Wonder what bigger than he thought? It was?
• 1:23:33
  Absolut freaking lutely. But you're on the top billing show on Fox. The
• 1:23:40
  only other top show was Fox News. I think I don't know. So
• 1:23:44
  that's it. That's all I got. I mean, the interesting thing is
• 1:23:50
  like I covered a case where it kind of propelled change to happen, and
• 1:23:57
  then your case put us back at neutral. I mean it's just, you
• 1:24:02
  know, there's a little bit of everything to expect somebody not in the community
• 1:24:08
  and not part of the community to take it backwards. Yeah, oh for
• 1:24:14
  sure. And I have one last thing to say, and so I'm heavy.
• 1:24:16
  You can delete this if you would like, but don't you dare guys,
• 1:24:20
  just go buy bud light and shop at Target. Please, just please.
• 1:24:27
  Nobody is forcing anybody, nobody who's forcing anything down your throats. And
• 1:24:31
  if you think that they are, you're insecure enough to believe that it's that
• 1:24:35
  that insecure and narcissistic enough to think that it's all about you and it has
• 1:24:41
  nothing to do with you at all. I saw in the feat that the
• 1:24:45
  guy said, yeah, I can no longer drink my favorite beer, bud
• 1:24:48
  Light, because now everybody thinks I'm gay. Dude, your drink choice does
• 1:24:55
  not make you gay because I like bud Light and I'm not gay. It's
• 1:25:02
  just what's interesting is that the whole bud Light thing happened, and then they
• 1:25:09
  decided that they were going to move to a different beer, and then that
• 1:25:14
  beer put up the website that was supporting whatever, and it's like, well,
• 1:25:17
  we're doing it too, guys, so good luck. I just I
• 1:25:20
  saw a video of a group that put together thousands upon thousands of bud Light
• 1:25:27
  and ran it over with their trucks. Yeah, and I'm like, you,
• 1:25:32
  just it doesn't matter. You already paid them, right, they got
• 1:25:36
  your money. They already got your money. And Target, I guess the
• 1:25:41
  thing for me. Target has been having their gay Pride celebration section every year
• 1:25:50
  for the last years that I can remember. Why, just because bud Light
• 1:25:56
  did this. Now they literally were picking at my market in Austin, Texas.
• 1:26:01
  Guys, we'll keep it weird. Why are you picketing here? Because
• 1:26:08
  so I just need people to stop, just stop. If you like bud
• 1:26:14
  Light, drink your bud light. Yeah, don't take down somebody because your
• 1:26:18
  opinion differs, right, Like, I know, this shit has been going
• 1:26:25
  on for much longer than what's been reported regularly now. But boy, oh
• 1:26:30
  boy, have they gotten emboldened brazen in terms of some of the stuff that
• 1:26:35
  they do. And it is it needs to stop. It needs people who
• 1:26:41
  are a quote unquote influential need to stop pushing this narrative. It is just
• 1:26:45
  harmful, hurtful, and it's it's gonna end up with people dying. We're
• 1:26:50
  gonna have more kids not to come out. And I also need to Santis
• 1:26:54
  to leave my Mickey mouse alone. Okay, dude, just leave the mouseldling
• 1:26:59
  him. Oh they are just leave the mouse alone, dude, because let
• 1:27:03
  me tell you, there's a lot of loyal Disney people. Oh, oh
• 1:27:10
  they are. They are losing a lot by doing this. Oh they are
• 1:27:15
  because Disney. Disney is just like any company that Disney helps with ads or
• 1:27:23
  anything like that is going to come to Disney's aid. It's going to be
• 1:27:27
  DeSantis versus the world. Oh. I just read an article that Disney is
• 1:27:30
  canceling or putting on the hold all of their expansions all of that money is
• 1:27:36
  going into Florida. I don't know if Florida realizes Orlando wouldn't be on the
• 1:27:43
  map without the mouse. No, not at all. And this is all
• 1:27:46
  because all because Disney had control of their monorails and Disney it's just they have
• 1:27:55
  their own fire department, they have their own police department. But they still
• 1:27:59
  pay you to axis. They're about a lot of it. I mean,
• 1:28:03
  the deal was, the deal was brokered decades ago. It was good.
• 1:28:09
  It was a win win for both and I'm okay with that. I think
• 1:28:13
  if he would have went, I mean, but it all came down to
• 1:28:15
  the whole gay thing is what it is. But you know, gay Pride
• 1:28:20
  is happening at disney World and Disneyland right now. And let me tell you,
• 1:28:25
  the flowers are stunning. I bet they are. They are going all
• 1:28:30
  out this year. And I know it's all a big oh for sure.
• 1:28:38
  Oh absolutely absolutely. I mean he is just a little troll, That's what
• 1:28:45
  he is. He's a troll. What really pisses me off, though,
• 1:28:47
  too, is that his whole book band, which he says, no books
• 1:28:51
  have been banned, They've they've held the books for review, but they're not.
• 1:28:57
  No, no media specialist has the time to review those books the way
• 1:29:00
  they want. So they're gone, and now Virginia, specifically my county is
• 1:29:05
  starting to follow suit. I saw that, but someone just opened up I
• 1:29:11
  saw it. I think on Instagram. The books that are on that list,
• 1:29:15
  they went and bought them in a different state. They now give you
• 1:29:18
  you can come in pick a book for free with the purchase of a cup
• 1:29:23
  of coffee. I love it. It's like back when my parents wanted to
• 1:29:28
  burn the albums because they said if you played them backwards, it played sam
• 1:29:33
  Satanic worshiping or something. Another one of bites the Dust is the only I
• 1:29:41
  didn't listen to a lot of Exos Country Girl. But yeah, I'm just
• 1:29:45
  like, it's like that people not learned from our mistakes. No. I
• 1:29:53
  specifically enjoy Stephen King's response to all of this, which is like, hey
• 1:29:57
  kids, I'm reading this is work work. Hey kids, it's your old
• 1:30:00
  buddy Stephen King telling you that if they ban a book in your school,
• 1:30:03
  all you're asked to the nearest bookstore library asap and find out what they don't
• 1:30:08
  want you to read. It's true. It's just like when your parents tell
• 1:30:13
  you. You look in that closet and you're gonna get a spankin, honey
• 1:30:18
  as soon as they're out of the house. I was looking in there at
• 1:30:20
  those presents. Tell me I can't have something, and guess what I'm gonna
• 1:30:26
  do. I'm gonna Oh, We're gonna grab it. Oh yeah, this
• 1:30:30
  is this is doing nothing more than to embolden people who fight for these things.
• 1:30:38
  We're also gonna have a lot of youths who we are going to need
• 1:30:43
  to take care. I cannot wait. I cannot wait for this next big
• 1:30:53
  election to see just what the new voters do, because they have done nothing
• 1:31:01
  but push them into this um. Tennessee again is a great example. The
• 1:31:06
  whole gun thing, the shooting that happened, and then the rights of women
• 1:31:13
  and right. I mean students left all of their schools, not only in
• 1:31:20
  that state but around Texas state. What they did here at one school I
• 1:31:29
  believe it was Austin, it may have been Dallas. They failed all of
• 1:31:32
  the students who walked out and are making them retake that period in summer school.
• 1:31:40
  Now it's been petitioned and I think they backed up and they didn't.
• 1:31:43
  They said, okay, we just threatened it, and as a parent,
• 1:31:46
  I've learned, don't threatened if you're not willing to go through with it.
• 1:31:49
  Yeah, yeah, it doesn't work out well if you're not comfortable. Yeah,
• 1:31:55
  don't don't do it. Yeah, just don't do it so it will
• 1:32:00
  be interesting. Um, but I will tell you I think everybody just needs
• 1:32:06
  to. If you love somebody, love them as long as it legal and
• 1:32:15
  they're over eighteen and consenting until next time. Next time, we are going
• 1:32:24
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• 1:32:34
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