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TABLE TALK: This Phillies Offense · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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Hey, everybody, it's Jeff. We recorded this podcast on Friday, August
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twenty five, twenty twenty three. By the time you hear this, some
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things may have changed here and there, but we hope you enjoyed the discussion
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and show. All right, folks, welcome to Table Talk here at the
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Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in
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the world. That's right over ten years strong. We got a great discussion
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coming your way this week on Table Talk. Absolutely love talking to our guest
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whenever she's able to come on. It is a pleasure to have her join
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us this week to get into this Philadelphia Phillies team what we've been seeing from
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them as we really look toward the postseason, but specifically more from an offensive
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standpoint. What are we seeing from this team from an offensive standpoint. We're
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gonna get into that discussion right now. It's gonna be a great one.
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It's great to have her back on the show. As I just mentioned,
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coming to us from Phillies Nation dot com. We love Phillies Nation. We
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love the content that they are consistently putting up over there. We have the
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one and only Destiny Legardo, Destiny how you doing it? Thanks for jumping
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on doing good, Jeff, how are you? It's an exciting time in
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Phillies, Lan, Oh my gosh, it's great. Like I just we're
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gonna get to some offensive talk here. You know, there's a lot of
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good stuff happening with this team, and really quick folks follow Destiny on the
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Twitter dot com and no, we are not calling it x. I don't
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care what anybody says. We're not calling it x Twitter dot com at Destiny
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Underscore Legardo. She is a great, great follow always very entertaining and just
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a ton and plethora of actually of Phillies news and notes that you're gonna get
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from her on Twitter. So Destiny, let's get right into this Phillies team.
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They want a huge series against the Giants this past week and that was
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that was a series I thought really could have gone either way for this team.
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So, like, reflecting on that series, you know, what do
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you think it meant for this Phillies team as we're really heading into this final
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stretch of the season from a momentum perspective, Yeah, I mean this was
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built as a possible wildcard playoff matchup, and I think if you're the Phillies.
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Obviously, Bryce Harper said it best the other night. They let a
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Game three get away from them. But if this is a playoff series,
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it's not a Game three, And I think they match up really well against
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the Giants. And even though they did lose that Game three, they had
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an actual starting pitcher on the mount and they needed nine other pictures to get
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through the Phillies lineup and closed out that game an extra inning. So I
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do think if there's a possibility the Phillies and Giants matchup at Citizens Bank Park,
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I think this is a really good matchup. Obviously, we've seen that
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Oracle Park whatever they call it right now. It's just not a great place
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for the Phillies to play. So the hope is that the Phillies continue to
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keep racking up series win then they don't have to worry about going on the
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road for the wildcard series. But I do think they match up really well
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against this Giants team. If the Giants could get through their really tough schedule
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and make it to the playoffs and be a two seed, yeah, Destiny.
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Like I'm at a point where I'm like so excited, I can't believe
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we're actually thinking about the postseason in terms of, you know where we're at
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right now. I mean it's it's only the end of August, beginning of
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September. We have around the corner here, and it's like we're actually thinking
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about this postseason as though it's going to be a given, you know,
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Like it's it's really bizarre to think in those terms. Yeah, maybe we
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have our hopes up a little bit. Their playoff odds are around eighty two
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percent. I think that's a pretty good spot to be in. But I
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do think that's an indication of just how good this Phillies team is and how
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weak the National League is. I do think it's a bit top heavy,
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with the Dodgers having another crazy season, the Atlanta Brave just being far out
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the best team in the Major League. So yeah, I think there's a
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lot of reasons to be optimistic. Obviously, it comes down to the Phillies
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not shooting themselves in the foot in September, and I do think they have
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a favor will schedule. We could talk about that a little more later.
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Yeah, I think it's more about just the Phillies not beating themselves and we
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could start thinking about playoff scenarios and who they could play and how they could
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deploy a certain matchups. So it's a very good spot to be in.
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They have a very you know, Cardinals Angels. The next six games,
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they should take care of business. Yeah, they should. They should absolutely
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take care of business. And there's one guy that I want to talk to
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you about, excuse me, who has really been taking care of some business.
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And I'm gonna get your thoughts on Bryce Harper at this point in the
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season. You know, his power stroke definitely seems to be back. We've
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been seeing some incredible power coming from him and during some key moments in a
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bunch of games as of late as well. I mean, his inside the
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park home run last week was one of the most amazing things that I've seen
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all season from an offensive perspective. So, what are your thoughts here on
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Bryce Harper his performance and you know, what they're going to need from him
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down the stretch, Like what is logically going to be expected from him as
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they're you know, looking toward this postseason. Yeah, it's just an absolute
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pleasure these last five years watching Bryce Harper, especially what he's in these power
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streaks. I was a little bit worried this year that it was just never
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going to come him because Tommy John surgery. Even though he hits left handed
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and throws right hand, it's still hard to do right. He's also learning
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a new position. There's a lot of things on his plate. So I
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kind of expected, not expected, but I thought that Harper would just kind
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of be an okay hitter as far as you know what to expect from him.
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But it's really it's nice to see him hit the way he is,
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and I think he's hitting the ball a lot harder, he's elevating the ball,
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he has a his feel for the strike zone is really there. And
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when he's when he's like that, he's one of the best hitters in the
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game. So I think that's what we're seeing from him right now. I
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don't expect him to be on this kind of terror for the rest of the
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year. He would kind of hope that he would save a little bit for
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October. The way he's going right now, Yes, but what has been
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consistent with Harper is that he's been very good in late and close games,
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And like I said, it's it's it's great to see as far as from
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a fan perspective, just a player coming up to the big spot and always
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coming through. I think we love that as Philadelphia fans. So it's a
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really great sign because, you know, Bryce Harper is like the the guy
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that you really want if you want to win a World Series and you want
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a guy that just goes on a tear in the postseason, Bryce Harper is
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that guy. So it's really encouraging that we're starting to see a little bit
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of that in the regular season. I am at a point where it's like,
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if this team weren't to have Bryce Harper on the team, I would
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honestly believe that just about everything could potentially fall apart from an offensive standpoint,
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and and and maybe that's maybe that's being too you know, over the top,
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but that's what I'm feeling from Bryce Harper at this point. What he's
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been able to give this team in terms of his offense, in terms of
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his power, just you know, even even his presence on the field and
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the dugout. It's it's really incredible how this one guy has completely transformed this
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Phillies team over the years. I mean, in the five years that he
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has been here, what he has meant to this team, the organization into
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the city of Philadelphia too, Destiny, Like it's it really, I don't
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know. I have a heavy heart, you know when it cut when it
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comes to Bryce Harper these days. If you take all the stuff that he's
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done on the field, I mean, he's been an absolute superstar, and
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I've I've just been pleasantly surprised of the superstar he is off the field and
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just how much he's embraced being a Philadelphia and the fans and everything about this
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city. It's like he says the right thing every single time. Maybe he
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was coached really well by somebody, maybe it's really it's maybe it's genuine,
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maybe it's both, but this is a guy that everybody has fallen in love
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with, kind of like Jalen Hurts. Yep, it's like it's Jalen Hurts
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and Bryce Harper. That's who the city has their their hearts with this.
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Yeah, but yeah, it's a it's a pleasant pleasure to watch. Yeah,
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it really is. Well, let's talk about another gentleman who we actually
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talked about on the podcast this past week actually, and I've been thinking about
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him a lot more, and that is JT. Real Muto and just what
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his season has been for himself and just from an offensive standpoint, I mean,
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it's just it's been a tough year for what JT. Real Muto has
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given us during the course of his tenure as a Philadelphia Philly. So I'm
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wondering what are your thoughts on what we wont have seen from him in the
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batter's box? And two, I mean, are you concerned about his productivity
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as this team is you know, looking at that at that wild card spot
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and a postseason run. Here, I mean, should JT. Real Muto
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be a topic of conversation more in terms of where he's at in his career
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if he is on the down slide? What are your thoughts here? Yeah,
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I do think we should be talking about this more. And a lot
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of that has to do with Trey Turner and his struggles, and a lot
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of attention was on that point has been. Yeah, JT hasn't been struggling
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as much as Trey Turner, but it just hasn't been the same season for
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him. And you know, over these last few years we talked a lot
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of Valbreys Hoskins and Kyle Schoerber being very streety hitters. Will JT Room Muto
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is that too. They're you know, hit for the cycle and just going
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to tear for one series and then he would be really quiet for the next
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series. Yeah, I think it has a lot to do. Like he's
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he's not hitting a lot of balls that are in on him, and he's
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also chasing outside the zone and it's it's a glaring problem because he's hitting at
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this part of the lineup where there's going to be runners on and you know,
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just like the Giants game, he had a chance to win the game
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and he struck out and the at bat wasn't very pretty. He's such as
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it's it's so weird because I do think he should be a more consistent hitter,
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but it's just like the production comes in streaks and maybe hope kind of
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like with some other guys that the big hot streak is in October that's where
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it really matters. But yeah, and JT's like a guy that has a
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really big leg kick and it always seems like timing is a problem. So
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I know the numbers aren't as bad as it seems like. His ops plus
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is like one oh seven one h nine, which is like nine percent better
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than the average. So that's that's pretty good for a catcher, but it's
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pretty disappointing for JT. Yeah, I was gonna say not the batting average
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is anything, but he's got like his lowest batting average in the past ten
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years since his rookie on base percentage is down. I think what's even more
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concerning, you know, outside of his struggles at the plate, he's just
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not the same guy behind the plate. Yeah. I know. A lot
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that has to do with controlling the wrong game is how quick the pitchers are
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at home play and the Phillies like don't help him in that regard. Yeah,
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much at all, But it just hasn't He hasn't been the quote unquote
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best catcher in baseball. Yeah, and that's okay, Like that wasn't going
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to He wasn't going to be the best catcher in baseball for the five years
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for the entire duration of his time track. So but yeah, I am
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a little worried about JT. And it's a little weird because last year he
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started out very slowly at the plate and then he was one of the best
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hitters in baseball in the second half, and we were hoping that we would
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get some sort of you know, bounce back the way it was last year.
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But that just hasn't happened yet. Yeah, hasn't happened. Let's hold
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out hope for September in the postseason that we're going to see some good stuff
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from JT. Real Muto. So as we're moving along here, Destiny,
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you know, when looking at the Philly strictly from an offensive perspective, going
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to do this exercise with you, and I love I love doing these every
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now and again, these categories. I'm gonna give you a few categories,
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and I'd like for you to give me a player who you're thinking of and
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why you're thinking of that player. So let's just straight up talk about the
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most improved Philadelphia Philly this season, thus far from an offensive perspective, Like
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who would that be in your opinion and why Yeah, there's a lot of
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guys you could choose from, especially a lot of the younger players. I
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might go a little bit out of the box. I don't know if this
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is cheating or not, just because he's he was called up in July,
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but Johann Rojas, like I like zero expectations for what he could be at
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the plate, Like we all knew if he was going to come up here,
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he was going to play incredible defense, and that's very valuable. I
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think the Phillies kind of just like they crunched the numbers on like is it
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worth it just to have Rojas and center as opposed to trading for another right
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fielder. I think they they were intrigued of the idea of just letting him
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hit and then also letting him play center field. But I've been impressed with
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some of the takes he's had, some of the at bats he's had late
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in games, especially. I remember in the Pittsburgh series that at bad against
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David Bednar and the basse hit he had. He's made some adjustments this year,
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and I think they're paying off. Like I don't know if Johan Rojas
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is a guy that'll kind of teeter off a little bit this year, but
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I've so far been real impressed with what I've seen so far. A kind
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of love. Yeah, you can love Christian Posh into that too. We
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didn't have any expectations for him, and then he started working with Kevin Long
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and he dramatically improved. Yeah, I like it a lot. Most improved
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Philly. Well, who do you think, you know, moving along here,
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who is the most underrated Philadelphia Philly at this point in the season.
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What are your thoughts. I don't think we're talking enough about the season Brandon
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Marsh is having. And I like it. As far as numbers go,
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I know it can come. Like we talked about what jat and streaks.
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He was very hot in April and then he cooled down a little bit,
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and then he gets hot again. But he's been consistently giving the Phillies really
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good at bats in the bottom of the order, and I think that's especially
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important important for a team like the Phillies who have Kyle Schwarber leaning off and
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they need runners on base from the bottom of the order and they need Kyle
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Sharber to drive them in. But yep, yeah, he's heading for more
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power. He's striking out less. You know, personally, as someone who
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covers a team, I've just been really impressed with Brandon Marsh's presence and like
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the kind of teammate that he is, and you know, we're the same
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age and he's just like so like mature, and he's he's a fun guy
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too. I know he occasionally makes the you know, bone head and mistake
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and center field. But you know you're a Philly if you if you occasionally
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make bonehead and mistake. So I guess that's just like my take on that.
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But yeah, like it's it's crazy because I was kind of just like
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looking at this entire team and I'm like, who was having a career year
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and maybe like Marsh maybe the closest to that. But if you want to
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feel optimistic, you can say to yourself like we're as a fan, like
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we're getting all this production out of the team and nobody's having this incredible year.
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I think Marsh is kind of close to that. But if you do
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believe that he's going to be this really really good hitter for the Phillies for
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quite some time, then maybe you don't believe that twenty twenty three is a
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career year. Brandon Marsh. Okay, very good. No, I really
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like that underrated Philly category right there, and I think Brandon Marsh absolutely fits
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it for sure. But what about the Philadelphia Philly who needs to improve?
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You know, what are your thoughts, whether it's from an offensive perspective,
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you know, just as you take a look and analyze what you've seen with
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this team, this year. Who's that one Philly that really needs to improve
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here? Yeah, we talked about JT a little bit, and I think
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for all the reasons that we discussed before, JT probably fits into that category.
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Yeah, I do think, you know, Kyle Shoerber gets a lot
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of heat for the short outs and the just the ground balls, the first
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base and batting average. But I've been like, you know, obviously it's
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impressive how many home runs you get hit, and how many walks he could
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take, and just the presence that he can be in the lead off spot.
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But I've been a little bit disappointed with just like the lack of balls
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and play from him. Yeah, I thought would be a little bit better,
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especially because of the you know, the shift being banned, But it
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just seems like he's becoming more and more that three true outcomes kind of guy.
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I don't know what I was expecting, I guess, but I do
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think Scherber could use some improvement in that category. But I do think he's
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He's been valuable in other ways. Absolutely. Yeah, I agree with you.
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As as enraging as that batting average can be every now and then and
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again, as we say on this show, and as we all know is
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baseball fans, batting average is not everything he does have. Certain inten is
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not great stink. Absolutely yeah, yeah, absolutely, so yes, improving
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that batting average would actually be very good for this team from for a long
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term offensive perspective. So final category with regard to this particular aspect of our
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discussion here, destiny, who is the Philly in your opinion? Who is
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that true rising star? Who's that Philadelphia Philly for you? And why?
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I think it's Bryson's stud I've just yes a lot of the times I love
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him. I feel like we've been talking about this whole time, just how
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impressive the at bats the young guys have had, and nobody's better than Bryson
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Staught it giving you a really good at bat. He's been my favorite Philly
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to watch all year. I mean, aside from of course Bryce Harper is
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Bryce Harper. We were just talking about him, and he's amazing what we've
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seen with regard to his power as of late. But like Bryson Stott,
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his development and the fact that you know, he was in Triple A went
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through the farm, and the fact that he is where he is right now
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doing what he's doing in Major League Baseball. I think he's an All Star
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at some point down the road. Yeah. I think it's a good reminder
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not to give up too quickly on young players because he struggled so badly in
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his first few weeks and Majors and then he got sent down, and then
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once Rob Thompson took over, I think he you know, he improved obviously
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at the play, but I think he relaxed and realized that he had a
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shot at carving out a pretty much in everyday role, and he just improved
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after that. And I just think his at bats keep getting better. I
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think on Monday night that thirteen pitch walk really you know, set the tone
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for the Phillies and there's and when he got hit the other night on the
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Arm, I just thought, like, I'm scared of what this lineup could
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do, because they really need Bryce Bryson stat to really grind out at back
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just because a lot of these guys are very aggressive hitters, and I think
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he balances out a lot, kind of like Food Freese has been for the
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last few years, even maybe even to like a greater extent. So it's
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yeah, I love watching him play second base because it feels like he makes
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every play and it's it's important that you have guys around the field that could
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do that. And it just seems like he's going to be a presence here
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for many years to come. And that's very exciting considering Bryce Harper is going
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to be there and a lot of Yeah, it just it feels like this
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year you're enjoying watching the Phillies play, but you're also seeing the next window
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of contention because I think a lot of and this is another point that's that's
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not related, but I think the last few years, a lot of the
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concerns have been they had this great team, but what's going to happen after
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this, Like what's going to happen when a lot of these guys get older
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and they might, you know, have to go somewhere else. Or I
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think we're seeing in spades the next like really good Phillies Corps. I think
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that's a really good development. Yeah, they're laying the foundation for the future
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in many aspects of this team. So I completely agree with you. And
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again, folks were talking to Destiny Legardo from Phillies Nation dot com at Destiny
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Underscore Legardo on the Twitter dot com give her a follow, She's a fantastic
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follow and Destiny. Let's now talk about Tray Turner. Tray Turner has certainly
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turned some things around here, and I mean, and he's certainly, I
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think been the catalyst for the Phillies offense since that standing ovation, since one
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of the most incredible things I've ever seen in professional sports happened. And since
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August fifth, he's hitting approximately three forty eight as of us recording this here,
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and is OBP has climbed for two eighty nine two three eighty two amazingly
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enough here, you know, I mean, he's certainly turned some things around.
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How much of what we've seen offensively from this team do you think really
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is because of Trey Turner kind of turning some things around here for himself and
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the team. Yeah, I think Turner's transformation has been pretty incredible. And
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you know, you struggled a lot this year, and a lot of it
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has to do with just mentally, you know, being in a rut.
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Yeah, you know, struggles happen, but if they keep happening, I
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think it takes a toll on you. And I think that's what happened with
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Trey and Tray's a guy like, he likes to change a lot, So
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if he's not going well, he's willing to listen to pretty much whatever to
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try to get better. And sometimes he kind of just he's falling into this
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repetitive cycle of oh, like, he's struggling really badly for a long time,
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that he gets going a little bit and then it takes a toll.
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So it's really nice to see Trey Turner after the standing ovation. I think
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that kind of not like a sigh relief, but I think it mattered to
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him. Yeah, relax a little bit. Yeah, yeah, so yeah,
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I do think you know, Trey occupy the number two spot for most
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of the year, and it's not great to have that spot be a black
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hole production because it means guys are pitching around Kyleshwarber and guys are pitching around
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Bryce Harper too. And part of his transformation is him blowing down a little
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bit in the lineup, and now he's he's back in that spot, So
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it changes the way pitchers have to think about throwing to these these big guys
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at the top of the order because Tray Turner is now a big guy again
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and he looks like himself. So yeah, in general, I think when
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guys like Turner and maybe even j T when he when he starts to get
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going again, it makes guys more likely to just relax in the box and
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not try to do too much, not try to chase. So once guys
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start going, I think everybody starts. Yeah. I think that's a really
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great point for sure. And as we're closing things out here, Destiny,
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you know, I never want to say anything as a given when it comes
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to this Phillies team and their possible postseason appearances. I mean, again,
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like we said earlier, we're kind of already thinking, you know, yeah,
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they're gonna be in the postseason. You mentioned, you know, eighty
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two percent chance of that potentially happening. But I am wondering, are there
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any teams down the stretch of the regular season that could potentially potentially make life
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kind of tough for this Phillies team or even potentially keep them out of the
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postseason. I mean, I look at the schedule and I'm like, oh,
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I don't know if it could happen. Then again, when teams really
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start rallying around trying to keep other teams out of the postseason, weird things
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happen. In this league. So what are your thoughts here? Yeah,
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you make a good point, And I kind of thought, looking at those
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last two series against the Mets, that the Mets will become a team that
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are better after they're quote unquote teardown and they would just be scrappy. But
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I the last couple of weeks, the evidence just hasn't really been overwhelming.
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So I kind of go back to an earlier point. I think the Phillies
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are a team that needs to, you know, not really look at who
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the opponent is and just try not to shoot themselves in the book, because
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I think we've seen that plenty of times over past septembers where they just start
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playing poorly, start playing poorly as far as fundamentals go, and then it
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starts spiraling a little bit, and then they're in a bad position at September.
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But I mean, the hope is in the next week or so that
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they build up a cushion and they learn from these past septembers and they try
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to make it as easy as they possibly can. That's never a guarantee with
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this team. But yeah, like I look at the Brewers and Padres road
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trip, maybe that's an opportunity to trip themselves. I think Milwaukee is a
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scary team in the playoffs outside of La and Atlanta. The Padres. They
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played well in San Diego recently, so maybe not too concerned about that,
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but you know, you never know. I like I said, with the
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Phillies, I think it's more about not sabotaging their great chances, and the
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hope is that they've they've learned, and there's there's been time this year where
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they've missed opportunities to really increase that lead in the wildcard standing. So I
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think for the benefit of the Phillies, they should continue to win games,
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and they should feel pretty comfortable about where they are and start planning for how
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you're going to attack that three game Wildcard series, because that's that's a scary
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part. Two games and it comes down to three games, and the hope
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is that it's at Citizens Bank Park, where it's very hard to win on
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the road. I think the the Astros might have been the only team to
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to win on the road. Yeah, I think, yeah, so yeah,
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it's hard to beat the Phillies at home, absolutely, and and it's
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a great way to end it because you can't put the car before the horse.
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When it comes to this team, you you just can't do it.
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We've seen septembers in the past where this team is just folded. I do
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think we have a different team now, of course, and we did in
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the past and when you look at past septembers. But we're certainly going to
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be keeping tabs on everything here at the PSD podcast Show and on Phillies Nation
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dot com. Again, folks, Destiny Legardo Philliesnation dot com, thank you
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so much, my friend for jumping on our table talk interview show this week.
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It was great talking to you, a great seeing you here on the
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zoom and come back and join us down the road. Love to have you
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back. Yeah, thanks for having me, Jeff. I always love talking
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to Destiny. A plethora of knowledge when it comes to this Philadelphia Phillies team,
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they do such a great job over at Philliesnation dot com. Absolutely love
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having her on and uh yeah, that's gonna do it for us here on
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