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'Love Island USA' Check-In: Casa Amor, Movie Night Part 1, Brinity Supremacy and More with Dylan Hafer & Chris Burns · Gabbing with Gib

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to Gabbing with Gibb.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm your host Gibson Johns, and today on the show we are finally talking about the season of Love Island USA, I have been kind of perpetually behind on this season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't watch it when I went on vacation, and so I, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I knew I was going to have our guests on today, Chris Burns and Dylan Hafer, they are co-hosting batches Island time weekly recap episode of a Island on the mentioned at all podcast feed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dylan was on last week doing our bravo winners and losers and he's back to talk about Island.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when I knew they were coming on today, I knew that I had to be caught up for a time they came on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I think I watched like
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[SPEAKER_02]: eight to turn out the so of love island in the past like three days.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a journey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm honestly, it feels really good to be caught up and be able to talk about what's going on because I've had a lot of thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we recorded this obviously before moving night part two, which aired on Thursday night, we recorded this on Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we did get movie night part one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Love island is kind of impossible to get things out, you know, quick enough basically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't get, you can't get episodes out quick enough about love island.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we did talk about movie night part one, not part two, and just kind of our thoughts can cost them more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This season overall, we want to see going forward in the final two weeks of this season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I wasn't enjoying love island at first, but now I am.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you'll hear what we like about it, what we don't like about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, so we're finally talking about Levin on Gatman with Gib today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Keep listening from my chat with Chris Burns and Dylan Hafer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have a great holiday weekend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want a gab.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, today we're gathering with Dylan Hayford and Chris Burns, who co-host island time, which is Bech's Weekly Love Island recap show on the mentioned at all podcast feed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks so much for being here, you guys, how are you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're in prime, prime love island time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's prime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is like a hundred degrees outside, which makes it hard to be excited about anything, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: In spite of all, movie night is delivering and it's better time for movie time than a hundred degrees totally on a say We should play that in theater is that I would go I would go watch it just for the AC
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you remember when they did the, they did the Casa more episode in theaters a couple weeks ago, but it was like kind of, it was kind of a lame episode that ended up being the one and I'm like, they should have put moving the theaters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's hard for it's hard for them to plan which, which episodes going to pop off the movie night feels like it's pretty much guaranteed to be good tell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they probably have Casa more would be like a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I liked costs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought some more got this season pop in, but like it was like spread out over the course of this of the several episodes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was necessary for movie night for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but with movie night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting though, because they didn't do it last season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the, they just didn't have a movie night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like, I think people kind of like revolted last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were like, we were promised movie night and it didn't happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it does be like this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like especially spicy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that the people on it, like it seems like some of them were surprised by movie night?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that they were like, they didn't have it last year?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're probably good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I saw someone saying that Corbin acted like he didn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: that all of this was being filmed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, oh man, they got everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, that's the kind of the point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they were surprised also because they had a quasi-movie night moment at the very beginning of Casa Moore and they had the live stream of the boys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe they thought that was sort of like a stand-in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they kind of got a two-for-one here or two versions of the girls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The girls, the girls did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The girls very much did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The guys got like a zero.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was saying to Dylan Chris, I was, I was very far behind, so I had to have main, I've been mainlining this season for the past three days.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, a couple of, like, I think the most recent like eight episodes or something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, I was not really feeling this season through like the first, like, 12 episodes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just like wasn't, it wasn't doing it for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was very flat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How are you guys feeling about sort of the pre-cosm or part of this season?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Were you enjoying it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What was working for you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What wasn't?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is like my, one of my first four days into actual love islands I've watched like a UK season years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wasn't like I thought it was it wasn't terrible, but I I don't have old seasons to compare it to I think and yeah, I mean some of it moves pretty
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[SPEAKER_01]: slow, low.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think yeah, you really have to get used to the rhythm of there are going to be some episodes in the week where there's not a big twist or a recoupling or a bombshell or a challenge even and the challenges are their own drain on my will to live.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like you kind of have to accept that not every episode is going to give the same like pay off, but I do think like the sort of mid-season round of bomb shells that they send in with Caleb, Jen and Saul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They all kind of turned out to be flops in a way or another.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that was sort of that happening, like, you know, five days before Casa or whatever, it was like, okay, these three aren't really like making the, making the moves that we need them to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Casa really needed to kind of like take things to the next level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it does seem like we've been watching this show for four years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, remember, Baya?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel if you'll let the people who the bombs also came in during cost of more like, they felt even more sort of like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: spicy and like and kind of pushing the boundaries a little bit and I will say that like for me the first you know two just three weeks of the show what I was seeing was like you can almost see something people calculating okay like what's the audience going to think of me should I stay in this couple because it's going to be good to a long term and like if you're going to ship us till the end like that's sort of how I thought about um
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[SPEAKER_02]: An IAC on us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like that was so there they're vibe to me and to like that to me You've got almost see the calculations happening and then holding themselves back because of that you don't I mean, well, I felt like Casey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I felt like Casey and an IA were very much trying to like appeal to America even with like their letters to each other everything seemed very like
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[SPEAKER_01]: you are the blueprint.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll try.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it just seems not real and then I'm like, but do you not think we're going to all see what you do after the letter?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are couples where like their like Trinity and Bryce, I think are a good example of this season of a couple where at the beginning, I was not sure whether they really would have much of a connection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were kind of, they were kind of saying the right things, you know, they were, you know, staying in their couple, but it was kind of like, okay, I don't know how much they haven't common.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They
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[SPEAKER_00]: Trinity's talked about the age difference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've both expressed like, you know, dating outside their race is not something that they're super familiar with But like over the course of the show, we've watched their connection Really seem to grow into something real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where's with a couple like Casey and Anaya at the beginning of the season you're like, oh, like they seem They seem so strong, you know, he's telling her that she's like a beautiful black woman and you know, she
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[SPEAKER_00]: is like upset when he might be exploring, but then it's like, oh, yeah, you guys haven't seemed like you're like enjoying each other's company in two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there, it's kind of like those couples at the beginning that are kind of strong on paper can really like diverge as the season goes on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the only strong couple right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is Bryson Trinity Trinity and I do think like I'm like it sounds crazy to be like, Oh, these people are going to be like, they're going to date and get married after this amount of time, but I'm like, it is like you're spending all day every day with someone and sleeping like I could see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: how it could, yeah, I've worked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they're the only couple where I'm like, it could work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any of the couple outside of this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when Zach goes back to Birmingham, we think Kate is gonna trust his ass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've been turning to the embrace.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, they actually, they separated the beginning and he ex-he pulled Kate for a challenge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're right that they sort of challenge their own connection to the very beginning and that's sort of the way to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a slow burn with them, and set up the like Melanie and sincere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like honestly, I, when he comes running back into the villa, and like, I shut up here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Chris I cried.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like this is so adorable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I literally said it here and I was like happy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is embarrassing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was amazing television.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did during Casa More.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I love Island is one of those shows where I enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed the experience of watching it with friends and you know, all the TikToks and all the content about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like in my mind, I don't really actually
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[SPEAKER_00]: about like the couples, about the people, I mean, you know, the friendships, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I did find myself last week when Casa Moore was like in the midst like still happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, man, I hope Trinity and Bryson, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope they make it back together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, it was like the, I think the only moment this season where I felt actually like invested on any level above just like watching the show in is this couple going to make it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm like, what's going to happen with sincere and Melanie, but like, because they're messy, not because I, right, yeah, Dylan and I were talking the other day about how if Melanie were to kill sincere and like on screen that there wouldn't be a jury that found her guilty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the perfect example of it was a murder, but not a crime.
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[SPEAKER_02]: sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I would be on that same page.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it felt also that all of the guys were realizing since here was the liar at that moment as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, even the people who even the guys who came in during Casa Moore were some of them were telling her like girl, like he's not, he's not being upfront with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not being truthful with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she still shows him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish she hadn't chosen him, but the back-to-back to back-to-back lies is like so incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that they show like some of the lead-up of the lies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I want to see in Kenzie saying, I want to see Kenzie getting so mad at Zach and then cut to her dating two guys at a time, two guys at a time, two guys at a time, two guys at a time, two guys at a time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she still won't talk to Zach because he told her he wasn't interested in her
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing about movie night is like it does feel obviously we haven't seen the second part of it yet, but it does feel like the producers of this show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Understand what the audience wants in a way that I guess if your if a show isn't happening in real time like this, it's hard to sort of work with that knowledge, but it's kind of impressive to me how much it feels like they're.
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[SPEAKER_00]: giving us what we want and need as viewers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it really develops over the course of the season in a way that I can kind of know other show really is able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of wild.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's, and you don't really realize it when you're watching until you take a step back really, but like they, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they've heard of the past couple of seasons of like really positioning us to be with the women, you know, and like yeah, just them getting the live feed of cost a more and just it's it's you know, are you on a hanging out them like, and that's why I want to tell you and hey, yeah, I want to be to be clear that's where I want to be, but it's like we're very much position to be that way as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Megan that's all you literally be like, I decide who wins and it's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think to like comparing this show to like other maybe more like traditional dating shows like I think the the core audience is so young and online and tuned into you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: pop psychology and oh he's gaslighting you oh you know all these different kind of like niches of like the dating world that it feels like they have to be a little bit more in tune with those with those people you know people that are making dissertations on TikTok about Casey and an INTT and like all of these different scenarios where it's like on a show like the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Midwestern moms who just want to see true love at the end of the day like this is a and has a little bit more, you know, like, there's a little bit more like energy going on in all the like nuances of the show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And by playing into that, they know that they can like make these things that are popping or bubbling up on social media even bigger.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, or showing the things, the edits of what we are already like, we probably wouldn't be seeing all of the gay bracelets as much as we are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If people weren't like, yeah, he didn't rhyme the reason I can break.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do love how Trinity plays into that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, she's like, Zach, I got your mail.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, I love that shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Trinity makes me laugh so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she does what she's either like popping off or just like being funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love Trinity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she said just she really is like she I think especially in like coming back from Casa the past week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's so clear that she's like the the star of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, last year there were you know last year was like people up to Landria people up to my like there were like I feel like a couple
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like there were a few different kind of like main characters and this year it's like Trinity is really a cut above everybody else in terms of like oh she has she has the it factor and I think you know that that brinity is like solidified and there are couple I think that she has much more confidence to like lean into that you any mean kind of like what happened with a Maya midway through like like she like really got to some confidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think with the Maya it was it was different because she scored.
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[SPEAKER_01]: what happened to amaya okay i remember the who to think i remember the whole world being like who does the worst woman alive warned midway through i forget exactly what it was
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[SPEAKER_00]: she struggled all season to find someone who really like vibe with her working as I think and it was like early in the season you know she had like her connections in the villa that didn't really pan out and then she had that guy that British guys act that she was talking to in Casa and he kind of like kind of like that guy you know ditched her and then there was okay what they haven't done this season that I
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of would love for them to bring back is the standing on business challenge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where last season Chris, they had a challenge where you could write like anonymous like comment cards about your fellow villa people and they had to they had to stand up on a podium and read what people had written about them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how that was it was up to the people who had written it
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was lots of drama, but specifically, Amaya had to stand up there and read people talking about how she's like, too much and she isn't blah, blah, blah, not this, not that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like devastating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, like some people owned up to what they wrote, but it was, it was very like, it was almost like, I feel like the only, we haven't gotten honesty like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think like, I want to know what, like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Corbin would write about But there's sort of forcing it out of them with movie night, but they can go a step further right joining me in terms of the actual honest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah Yeah, so that's I would like them to bring back the the standing up business challenge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That would be great Yeah, I do think that one thing that's been missing for me is like even more also like
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[SPEAKER_02]: input from America that really sort of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been saying that's like the breaks things open.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there isn't enough interference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I won't regular.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's the all the votes I think the only vote that to me really feels consequential is bring Carl back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know for now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because there was been bringing back your love more and that her name or more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: bringing back a more obviously to, right, of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There have really only been two or three votes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So far, this season and the other one was like, oh, pick your three favorite cup or your, you know, the three safe couples.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, okay, but the, the couples that weren't safe were the ones you would have assumed to begin with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it wasn't really like a, it wasn't really like, oh, we're going to shake things up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, oh, you're just going to vote out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The person you probably would have voted out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to begin with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to ask you about the Anayan KC situation because like when he came back with what's her face?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I forget her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: T-T-T. Yeah, with T-T. We're who I kind of love.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the reaction, I think the boys had a point that the reaction would have been very different if she had picked Carl over KC.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that I have so much sympathy for Naya and since this whole moment, obviously Casey has like shown his ass in a million ways and he deserves to get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But in the moment, I felt like her reaction was more because she was embarrassed and regretted her decision not to pick Carl and Casey picked TT over her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some of her defensiveness is actually not landing for me and I know it's probably unpopular.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But like initially, I was like, well, this is the show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he, you guys didn't even have a real thing
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[SPEAKER_01]: That they were still pissed about watching him like talk shit about her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so then I think that when he Sort of was defensive and then TT started talking it was just like there's no of course like I think that if they had if he had you know
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[SPEAKER_01]: It could have gone a lot differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, he didn't help himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Trinity for her messiness, but that situation wouldn't didn't really set off until Trinity asked the question about him being surprised that she and Bryce were one of America's favorite couples, which had really nothing to do with the costume work, coupling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think with Casey and
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we talked about this on our episode this week that people were questioning why why people were so like had so much smoke for Anaya but not necessarily for Melody pickings and Sierra after Casa and to me there is like the emotional level where it's like
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[SPEAKER_00]: did Melanie make an emotionally mature decision by picking sincere probably not, but she she played the game correctly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She gambled Melanie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Melanie like really like her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And with with a Naya, it was not a good emotional decision to pick
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[SPEAKER_00]: Casey and it was also not a smart strategic decision and so I think that to me is like the thing where it's like When she when she was saying she feels stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I don't necessarily think you should feel stupid for having feelings or You know being conflicted or whatever, but it's like you maybe should feel stupid that you couldn't have just like predicted that Casey was gonna do that
20:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I also feel like she didn't like Casey that much.
20:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she did it.
20:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm like, you don't even seem to like him.
20:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And then why aren't you making out with him and stuff if you do like him?
20:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you are doing that with Carl.
20:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you're fucking riding him on the first or second night.
20:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Where's it like, she literally said she's like, I about fuck that man on the, you're right.
20:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, like in that jumpsuit.
20:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do, it was a little confusing,
20:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe it was more just about like being rejected than it is.
20:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it was about that.
20:56
[SPEAKER_02]: And I understand that I just felt like, and I was saying again, Casey deserves a lot of smoke.
21:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he is he's, yes, such, such trash.
21:03
[SPEAKER_02]: But like I just feel like it was almost just like misrepresented emotion and like, I think with Melanie and sincere, they had, they had a vibe from the first episode.
21:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they had chemistry from that premiere.
21:15
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just toxic and he's a liar.
21:18
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, but like they do have a they have a rapport and they have a they have nice chemistry.
21:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Anaya and Casey never had good chemistry and I think they just like the idea of being with one another and sort of I think now I'm sort of reminded of like last season when Taylor picked what surface over a landry of the clerk.
21:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Clark.
21:37
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like it's sort of it's sort of similar.
21:38
[SPEAKER_02]: We're like, I actually kind of believe in TT and KC more than I believe in KC and I, uh, it's just like it lands hard because you love like people really like the person who's being scorned basically.
21:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think to like with Casa, it's tricky because they're always comparing like, oh, I had three weeks with this person.
21:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I've had three days with this person.
21:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, naturally it's going to be a different like you're evaluating on different criteria, but I think with
22:03
[SPEAKER_00]: as much as we don't want to be lustful on this season of Love Island, I'd like to go.
22:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Objectively, I think you should pick somebody that you are like into and so if you've had three days with somebody and you're more into them than you were into your previous couple, it's like, yeah, like none of these relationships are that real at this point.
22:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're like, if you're like, I don't really want to have sex with this person and I really want to have sex with this person.
22:31
[SPEAKER_00]: pick the person you want to have sex with.
22:33
[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
22:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
22:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
22:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, the new bombshells in Casa More come in with their site set on one person.
22:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, T.T.
22:41
[SPEAKER_02]: was like, I want K.C.
22:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And their that feels good to be like sought after in that way.
22:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it makes sense that like the the connections would pop off even more quickly physically.
22:52
[SPEAKER_00]: One thing I'm curious about after movie night because this wasn't like the main storyline, but I'm wondering for TT, seeing all of the stuff that Casey has said about Anaya and the way that he's moved and the way that he still is reacting to stuff.
23:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious if she's going to be at all turned off by now I think she likes it.
23:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's like he would never do that to me.
23:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
23:21
[SPEAKER_01]: That's very the vibe at any time any relationship like that.
23:24
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I know that he killed you girl, but he would never kill me.
23:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I agreed a lot.
23:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious, but I kind of think that she's down for it.
23:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that she's like, yeah, she was kind of saying they're smiling like, you know, bite in her nail, you know, she liked it.
23:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you think it was weird when he and Sydney were, they showed him and Sydney like hooking up and she was also like, she looked like she was turned on by that.
23:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, was she actually turned on or was she just like, we're just on a thing, right?
23:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you were so mad about it at the time.
23:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, I don't know.
23:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know and the other the other person I want to ask you guys about is Kenzie and to me Kenzie has sort of been a standout like She has a star quality to me just about like being there.
24:07
[SPEAKER_02]: She kind of is very honest.
24:08
[SPEAKER_02]: A star quality.
24:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
24:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I do think she does I like she has personality and a lot of these people have been really scared to show their full personality and she's I think it's just that I don't like her personality
24:18
[SPEAKER_02]: I like her to be honest.
24:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like Kenzie.
24:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I think and I appreciate that she's actually fucking doing what the show asks you to do, which is to like Here's my Tom and play the field.
24:28
[SPEAKER_02]: She's doing it too much, obviously, but like she's not playing it safe Like so many other people on the show do and I appreciate her for that, but she's not like like I a if she was Kenzie, but also was not like
24:42
[SPEAKER_01]: How dare a guy that I'm talking to hook up with another girl like that's where she lost me because I'm like Yeah, you were critical of this don't like yeah, she's no hypocritical and She's not a girl's girl.
24:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she fucked over Jen
25:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Who cares about Jen though?
25:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on Jen, Jen is growing on me.
25:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Gal had already broken up with Jen.
25:06
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how it all goes.
25:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Gal is iconic.
25:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm convinced Kenzie and Jen, I've enjoyed her this season.
25:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that again, when it feels like you're watching Couples Island, you need somebody who is not really
25:22
[SPEAKER_00]: attaching themselves to one couple.
25:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that the conversation with Jen, I actually like that was my favorite moment of Jen so far because it felt like she was being really honest with Kenzie and watching Kenzie just completely not know what to do with.
25:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody actually because she is being hypocritical and she knows that and she's exactly and I think that with with her in Jen It's not that Kenzy like stole goll away from her because like you said they already had kind of split But Jen is clocking that Kenzy is not somebody that moves in a way that she
26:03
[SPEAKER_00]: want to be her yes right she waited she waited to tell her gen had previously kind of said that she didn't want her to when she and go we're still happening and so i think like it just kind of
26:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Kenzie's behavior is like starting to kind of catch up to her and obviously we're going to see that at movie night and I think we're at the point in the season where it's like I appreciate that she has been messy all season, but it's time for that to kind of yeah come come up again yeah gal is not leaving with any woman like gal doesn't like anyone that's in there I don't know how gal got cast on the show he's like I don't want to kiss in front of people
26:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, like, what did people, somebody just come into his coffee shop that works at Lavailin or you to Fiji?
26:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and then what did you think of what's his name crying?
26:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Dylan, I found that was ridiculous.
26:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, what are you crying about between him and the, and the, I've got her name, the woman that Corbin's with, like acting like they've been together for fucking five months.
27:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Hermit, you know, like, I can't let her, I really, I can't with when she sent them to have the conversation and she's like, why are they doing it right in front of me?
27:13
[SPEAKER_01]: They're talking to the right in front of me.
27:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she went.
27:15
[SPEAKER_02]: She wanted to be closed off with him and like, it's just like, I just,
27:20
[SPEAKER_02]: those two artists, they're almost like doing what they think they should be doing.
27:23
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like like Dylan's tears were fake.
27:26
[SPEAKER_02]: She was like putting it on.
27:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, they're annoying.
27:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're acting like they've been there longer than they have because they didn't give his bachelor's.
27:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a pressure when you come back from Casa that it's like, oh, all these people are like the OGs, even if they're even if like they're not actually,
27:51
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of catch up, establish myself.
27:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, yeah, with Parmida camera time, with Parmida.
27:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, no, I don't want to explore.
27:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to explore?
27:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would I explore?
27:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And with Dylan, he's like really overdoing it with Kenzie.
28:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think like, I think it's fine to be like annoyed.
28:06
[SPEAKER_00]: That she annoyed that she was kissing golf, but it's like, yeah, the tears are a little much.
28:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was a lot.
28:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
28:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I am, he reacted like they were engaged.
28:19
[SPEAKER_02]: like one too many times.
28:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, like she just shouldn't have done the make out with gal.
28:27
[SPEAKER_01]: But I can imagine was very fun.
28:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, it didn't look too great.
28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll just look like a robot to me.
28:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get to see the coffee shop that gal owns yesterday.
28:36
[SPEAKER_00]: They were giving free drinks to people named Jen.
28:41
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the kind of real-time marketing we like to see.
28:44
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not even there, so he's like, People are like, his employees are revolting.
28:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I think it's fine.
28:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's okay.
28:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
28:53
[SPEAKER_01]: That's funny.
28:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
28:57
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think of Zack not telling Keda that a lot of had left
29:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's weird.
29:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
29:08
[SPEAKER_01]: You would think that sometime at night when you're like canoeing and bed, you would be like, oh my god, it was so crazy.
29:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It's huge.
29:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Stop for being racist.
29:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
29:16
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing is like, to me, I, even before we saw that on movie night, when it was like, oh, is production not letting them say?
29:24
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the deal?
29:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I always thought that Zach would have picked Kada regardless, because I think that, yeah, I mean, I think he's telling the truth that he was not like, as into a lot of whatever, but not saying it just is so weird.
29:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And what was even worse to me was when Kada figured it out at Movie Night and that was coming up and then he keeps acting like, why does it matter?
29:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Why does it matter?
29:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to pitch to you.
29:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to pitch to you.
29:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Why does it matter?
29:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be one thing if you had been like, it was awkward, I didn't know how to bring it up.
30:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew you would, I knew you would be upset.
30:02
[SPEAKER_00]: But when it comes up and she is upset and he's getting defensive and being like, why does it matter?
30:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that shows to me that you have like a low, like, emotional intelligence where it's like, if you care about this person, just say, I'm so sorry I didn't tell you, I like,
30:18
[SPEAKER_00]: It, you know, whatever.
30:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
30:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
30:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I was because I'm like, oh, maybe production told them not to do it, but then when they obviously are I'm like, Okay.
30:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
30:28
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt very odd.
30:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have like walked in first thing and been like, obviously I picked you.
30:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she got sent home, haha, but yeah, exactly.
30:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's like that's the headline.
30:36
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's the headline of the whole situation.
30:39
[SPEAKER_02]: So right.
30:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you just, if you said it the first night, I think Keta would have been
30:45
[SPEAKER_00]: She would have been like, she would have still had like feelings about it, but it would have been more like, okay, thank you.
30:51
[SPEAKER_00]: You're telling me everything.
30:52
[SPEAKER_00]: You picked me where we can move forward, but now it kind of just sets them back to probably just as bad or worse as they were right when he got back from Casa.
31:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Zach, I don't trust.
31:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's in love with Bryce.
31:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I think yeah, there's something going up like I think he does really like Heta, but he gives vibes of like as soon as he like yes, I love you and then the next day it's like I I don't know that I actually like I don't know why you would think I actually love you.
31:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I was kidding, obviously when I said that right when I when I binge by binge in the show, I haven't really been caught up in like the conversation around it, which is like actually been kind of freeing to be honest like I feel like I actually have my own opinions on all it and like I'm
31:36
[SPEAKER_02]: The one thing I have seen pop up though is people are like Zack is like always kind of like the first to defend the boy's bad behavior he like he does move in a shady way I feel like he is not he's not as like
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: everything that the women say, Casey, we know, but I think like Zack to me just is throughout the season like he's showing kind of like tendencies to be dismissive or to minimize things or to be defensive in ways that I think are just like not necessary.
32:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's
32:27
[SPEAKER_00]: really positive on Zack and Kada almost as much as Bryce and Trinity like they were like the best two couples and I think that like that's where they've kind of he's kind of lost me a little bit is like I feel like you're just there are these little moments where it's like you're not doing quite the right thing and they kind of add up to now and like you do kind of seem like you talked a little bit yeah it's sneaky bad behavior
32:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
32:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't buy what he's selling.
32:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I don't know if it's that like I feel like if someone that was more his type or whatever, like I just feel like the right girl hasn't come to distract him yet.
33:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm like, I wouldn't trust that if he's out in the real world and also there's something about his brother was on last season, you know, he's he's been with he's been with her since the vacation to the beginning, basically, so it's like I don't know it's kind of giving like
33:18
[SPEAKER_02]: playing it for the show, which like they're all doing to some his mom is a stylist.
33:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't know that.
33:24
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because he was helping Bryce with the things like I'm just a stylist, I sound like her.
33:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm like, this is like, you know, if your mom is a stylist and your sibling has also been on the island, you probably have grown up in a certain way.
33:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious like it does feel like this season there have been more kind of like out of off show connections than in the past where like Parmita saying that she DM Corbin in the past.
33:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Alana had like made out with Zach's brother Charlie.
33:56
[SPEAKER_00]: We know that, you know, Jen and Bryce have, you know, known each other through modeling.
34:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it does it does feel like they're
34:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they need to be fishing in a little bit bigger pool when it comes to casting, because it does just seem like if you're only recruiting in my own type, who live in Miami and LA, you're gonna get a lot of that kind of people who are, even, I mean, it's fine.
34:20
[SPEAKER_00]: If people are thirsty to be on my violin, and I don't really think this is a show where it's like here for the right reasons or not.
34:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly not.
34:26
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is like, if you are casting people who are kind of all,
34:31
[SPEAKER_00]: in the same, like, walk of life.
34:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that does make it a little less interesting.
34:36
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also, like, especially after last season, when the reason why Shelley and Ace, like, why they're, by the public opinion about them, like, you know, went so far down, it's because people thought they were sort of gamifying it and like, they had known each other before and we're secretly dating the whole time and like, they weren't up front and on that connection as much.
34:53
[SPEAKER_02]: So I maybe they're also trying to, like, make sure that we know about those so it doesn't feel like they're trying to hide it from us.
35:00
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I agree.
35:01
[SPEAKER_02]: But why do they allow to have connections?
35:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there are enough people for them.
35:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I do get, like, it's probably hard to, like, find some hot people in Wisconsin and be like, want to come on a show and disgrace your entire family.
35:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Damn, with the Wisconsinites are going to be, uh, are going to be pissed at you.
35:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, sometimes I am like, why do these guys go on here?
35:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand why the women go on.
35:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, why do these guys go on this show?
35:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, that's also why so many of the guys are terrible because these are the type of men who would.
35:32
[SPEAKER_01]: What type of man, yeah, would you want to date a man who is eager to go on Love Island?
35:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely not.
35:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I will be curious, like, as this show continues in future seasons now having been a really, like, massive phenomenon for a few years.
35:50
[SPEAKER_00]: will you be able to sense that people are more conscientious of how they're being perceived and coming across?
35:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's something where like, I'm honestly a little surprised this season at how much the guys don't seem aware of how they're coming across, where at least three or four of these guys are just like, seem like pieces of shit every week.
36:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that I guess they're showing us their true colors, but I am kind of like next season if you have these guys going on, it seems like it's really in your best interest to just like keep it a little more buttoned up for your original work, yeah, but like we need like a couple of like a Bryce, maybe one more Bryce, like you know, one more guy who did like test things a little bit,
36:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Not there's too many pieces of shit to decent men ratio.
36:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I also think it's worth noting that Bryce is 29 so he's obviously older than some of them would probably help.
36:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe well that I'm like what happens if you turn 30 in the Love Island house.
36:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you just then agree to just sit here?
36:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah his birthday was this week.
37:00
[SPEAKER_00]: He's there.
37:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my goodness
37:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Do they sell it on the show?
37:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't hear anything like now I get to be one of those girls that be like, yeah, I have an older boyfriend he's 30 and I was like, I'm going to shoot myself in the hood.
37:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I think his birthday was like, to like Tuesday or Wednesday of this week, so we might see it on the show.
37:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
37:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
37:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, I know it is like, well, they have cake.
37:22
[SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
37:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the tough thing is like, I don't think Love Island would be the same.
37:27
[SPEAKER_00]: If everybody on the show was.
37:30
[SPEAKER_00]: 30, like I like the vibe that it is kind of like young hot people here for the summer I would like a love island version, but I think it will certainly be for if they cast more People throughout their 20s versus it does feel very like condensed of like most of these people are under 25.
37:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like the average to be 27 would be a great.
37:56
[SPEAKER_02]: or even a nice clean 25.
37:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I would take just slightly couple to 25 to 25.
38:00
[SPEAKER_02]: The youngest of it like is a hallmark of the show and like they they have this sort of reckless abandon.
38:08
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's sort of why they aren't thinking about all this all the time.
38:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
38:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's also like I don't watch the UK version of the show, but it is a longer season.
38:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that one of the reasons why people like that about it is because
38:19
[SPEAKER_02]: At a certain point, like halfway through, I think that the people, the islanders really do like start to forget that they're almost on a show in terms of like, they're so far removed from the world for so long, that like, they have time to do that.
38:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's sort of happening right now around Casa More, but like, it is a shorter arc, so.
38:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess another thing too is that like I mentioned before the the demographic watching this show is younger and so like people that are you know 19 20 21 22 watching this show they probably like that the cast members are more where they are in life or maybe being 24 and managing a bikini stores so aspirational right for a girl who's 19 watching love island with him friends whereas like if all the people on the show were 30
39:05
[SPEAKER_00]: they would they would it would be about to do it.
39:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:08
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be honestly older than the match.
39:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like loving when Kenzie was like, yeah, like he started the coffee shop.
39:16
[SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly what I was looking for coming into this.
39:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what are you talking about?
39:19
[SPEAKER_00]: He has this own thing, you know?
39:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I really love that he, uh, coffee shop, can't see literally anything that the guy will come in and be like, I, I'm a zoologist and can see it's like, I, all the way to zoologist, I'm always one.
39:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I always wanted my kids to grow up around monkeys.
39:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's not like that.
39:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So just like, she's so dangerous.
39:45
[SPEAKER_02]: This is how she will be saying anything.
39:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, moving night was been bad for some seeer already, not just with the soul stuff.
39:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and I actually feel like that, my like, I feel like it made him and soul seen even deeper than I remember them being almost like a highlighted thing to I don't even remember happening really, but the other part that I really thought was bad for him was in the the KC,
40:16
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... packed when he was talking shit about an eye uh... yes when he was like you you i've never seen you happier like you know you you weren't like this with an eye uh... and and we had just seen a scene of her thinking sincere for like sticking up for her and do you think melty and sincere survive movie night unfortunately you do i can't see her she doesn't have the strength or the energy
40:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she's just gonna, you know, she needs a nap.
40:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It's tough at this point in the season because we only have like two more weeks, less than two weeks left, that it's hard because it's like, in terms of the competition format, it's like if you leave your couple now,
41:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But to me, I think with Love Island, it matters less about who wins in the end and more about who stays on the show the whole time.
41:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And there will still be usually there are still like four couples there for the last episode.
41:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's more a question of like, if I dump sincere tonight, I getting set home in two days, or do I, can I,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I grab Caleb for a chat or whatever and figure something out to stay?
41:50
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of what Anaya did last year and people just liked her so much that she won.
41:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't, I mean, I want Melanie to dump since year once and for now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I also don't.
42:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I like, I've been on a journey with Melanie, I feel like, but she really got me with the bill, the bear comment and how she was defending Anaya.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was really what sort of solidified Melanie for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because sometimes I was really frustrated with her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes I was like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: because I just don't relax and see her.
42:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Melanie was yelling at herself when she was yelling at a Nile.
42:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
42:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Melanie is a better friend to everyone else than she is to herself.
42:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Melanie.
42:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good way to put it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me sad because I'm like, she really likes him.
42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You can tell that's like, you know, but it's toxic.
42:30
[SPEAKER_01]: We've all been there.
42:31
[SPEAKER_02]: She likes the bad boy.
42:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like when what Rupal always says, if you can't love yourself, how the hell are you going to love somebody else?
42:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly exactly.
42:40
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Melody, she needs to it.
42:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Melody and I need to work on their self love.
42:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
42:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
42:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that Kada and Zach survive movie night?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
42:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
42:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Movie night.
42:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
42:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because I think I think that,
42:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Zach has messed up in the sense of like not telling the whole truth or not being being a little shady, but he hasn't like, I was going to use the word cheating, which is so not actually, there are only a couple that have had sex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, since here has like, since here has like actually messed up with other people, whereas I think Kate and just doesn't like the way Zach kind of like communicates.
43:21
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, what happened to the hideaway?
43:23
[SPEAKER_02]: We had the highway open a while ago.
43:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Why didn't they give it to Bryce and Trinity at the end of the way?
43:28
[SPEAKER_02]: They send Bryce and Trinity to the highway.
43:30
[SPEAKER_01]: After they become a official boyfriend girlfriend, come on.
43:33
[SPEAKER_00]: This season has been weird the way that they're going to play in there.
43:37
[SPEAKER_00]: the way that they've used the hideaway and the dates, where it's like, it almost feels like they should have sent Zack and K to on a date before, and then they should have used the hideaway now for like Bryce and Trinity early.
43:50
[SPEAKER_02]: But I guess they were all coupled up at that time.
43:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't because it's because at this point, like, I feel like at least one or two more couples need to go to the hideaway by the end of the season.
44:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe it's like Casey and TT, I don't know.
44:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I mean, honestly, like, I mean, we're going to break in my mind, unfortunately.
44:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm like, I actually believe in their connection to be honest, which one, KC and TT.
44:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't, I don't know.
44:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's, maybe it's lustful.
44:17
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do, I don't know if they have chemistry.
44:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think they have chemistry.
44:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like TT's too strong of a woman for KC and you.
44:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Literally.
44:24
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not gonna work.
44:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
44:27
[SPEAKER_02]: outside the villa for sure no there's people we have barely talked about Caleb Jen got like they need to get in jaded who I'd I've always forget her name they need to trim some fat I think yeah on this yeah they're because their husband
44:44
[SPEAKER_00]: they came back from cost uh... they had the recoupling an Iowa single they brought back a mora and carl it's been long enough now and they they haven't they haven't cut anyone and so not yet there's like seventeen people in the bill are something it does on us because they clearly cut anyone
45:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess cause they'll have cause a Naya Carl and a more are all still single technically so after moving night they'll probably have a recoupling on like with right there Sunday and then I feel like maybe they'll cut like three people after that I think they will.
45:23
[SPEAKER_01]: He lived in Haiti each other, I mean Caleb like I said three words the whole time like he seems like a nice and Jayden is said last yeah Okay, can I say though Caleb's been coming up on my for you page yeah, mine sense and he should have brought that Caleb to Mom, I'm happy Okay, I'll be I'll be so I got I got it
45:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny because none of them are active on TikTok right now but like so it's videos from like May that are coming up on my feed.
45:51
[SPEAKER_00]: There was also a video of Carl like regaining a sailboat that came up on my shirtless of course on my TikTok's right.
45:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay also.
45:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
45:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate.
46:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
46:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited to see an eye on Carl and see if it's actually like more than just then both being good people who like have a nice little make out chemistry like I hope it's more than that.
46:11
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but they haven't really shown that to me yet, but like I hope that they because I could see if they like really have something.
46:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see the audience like really kind of boosting them towards the end.
46:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
46:23
[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I was wondering is like during movie night when a Naya was like so heated over the KC stuff, I
46:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Carl was like, it was kind of hard to read his facial expression.
46:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously she didn't pick him the first time around.
46:40
[SPEAKER_00]: He like had feelings about that.
46:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And then watching her be so upset still about the casey situation.
46:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying she's wrong to be upset, but like I could see a world where Carl's kind of like, hey, it really seems like you're not.
46:54
[SPEAKER_01]: over this and I don't think that's about like I think that that about the emotional breakdown with the embarrassment, the rejection of a lifetime, like all of the rejections you've ever gotten compiled.
47:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you're right.
47:07
[SPEAKER_02]: What else we've talked about a little bit about like what we want to see for the rest of the season, like is there anything else that's been on your mind about like, all right, more of this, like what are you for Sean, bring Sean back, please.
47:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Do I know Sean is?
47:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Sean.
47:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Sean, yes, Sean.
47:22
[SPEAKER_01]: The cop, he was hot and he was like, and why not the other with these people sometimes.
47:27
[SPEAKER_00]: You keep bringing this up, you really miss Sean.
47:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought Sean was like the hottest one and I slide into his DMs, you know?
47:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they have a solid right belief that there is going to be interested, unfortunately, if Sean the only father of the season.
47:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
47:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
47:45
[SPEAKER_01]: You only barely have the season.
47:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think like we talked about, I think they need to send a few more people home.
47:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I...
47:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have said until a few days ago, I would be down for them to send like a couple more bombshells in just because it feels like we don't have a lot of like solid, you know, exciting couples, but I do feel like now it almost feels a little too late for that.
48:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it feels like when someone's like coming to the party and you're like, well, we're probably going to the bar and like an hour totally totally.
48:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I just made us there, like I'm like, we don't need anyone else.
48:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do think I would like there to be another fan vote about like who should couple up because then we haven't really had we haven't really had a vote that's like
48:30
[SPEAKER_00]: choosing couples it's been more like who's your favorite who do you want to come back and so what really I mean the biggest like dramatic moment of last season was when America like split up put a and Jeremiah and so we haven't really had one of those and like I would love to vote for Melanie to not be with sincere any more.
48:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that, I guess, but the more about KC, right, like, if you vote KC.
49:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's like a liar to like, like, since here's the most dangerous of the liars because Corbin and KC know that they're lying and and their women don't care.
49:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
49:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like like they are sociopaths since here is a psychopath like I think since here's more entertaining than Corbin though Like you're Corbin's like so like know it.
49:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
49:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it'll be so great America voted Melanie to split up from sincere and then she would really get like Oh, he's fucking trash like America.
49:34
[SPEAKER_02]: He's him.
49:35
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, well, you know, there's like there's like people online that think that Melanie and Caleb should couple up
49:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that they might have a little connection.
49:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel like if we were to vote today, I feel like people might vote for that.
49:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And listen, a third time's a time for Caleb, maybe.
49:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have a thing.
49:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the scene with Corbin and Parmida being like, there's nothing wrong with you.
49:58
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing wrong with you.
49:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I could compile a list of things that are wrong with both of you.
50:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And listen, I know that Kenzie isn't necessarily the most engaging conversation or list, but when he said, I can talk about deep things with you, and I couldn't talk about them with her.
50:13
[SPEAKER_02]: really flabbergasted you can they can talk about going to the gym in my yeah there is deep as the Los Angeles river like there's it's giving up it's giving fast and show in general for cool just like we can find things to talk about and not not talk about and stuff and things to talk about it's like it's like it's just really they're not talking about anything
50:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
50:33
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, thank you guys so much for doing this island time on the mention at all podcast feed every Thursday, correct?
50:40
[SPEAKER_02]: So today's dinner's new episode.
50:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Every Thursday, we're rapidly approaching the end of the season, which feels crazy.
50:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And then in theory, there'll be a reunion at some point.
50:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So if they, if they do that, we'll be back.
50:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's been fun.
50:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's on the mention at all feed on the
50:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you guys so much for coming on.
51:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We can see him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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