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Drive Thru News #53 - It's Cheaper to Keep'er! · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Welcome to Drive Thru episode number 53.
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  This is our monthly recap where we put together a menu of automotive, motorsport,
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  and random car adjacent news that's meant to be slightly entertaining.
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  Now let's pull up to window number one for some automotive news.
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  We're back!
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  We gotta find a song for this.
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  We already did the, the Mac.
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  Can't do Welcome Back, Cotter.
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  So what's another comeback song, Brad?
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  Isn't there like Back in a New York Minute or something like that?
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  That's an oldie though.
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  There was another one.
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  Backstreet's Back Again.
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  We can't do that.
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  No, ACDC Back in Black.
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  Oh yeah.
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  Is that PC enough?
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  I don't know.
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  I don't know.
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  Tell me why we don't get any cool cars.
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  Tell me why.
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  We're back.
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  Episode 53.
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  A little older, a little wiser, a little better looking.
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  Are you sure about that?
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  We've got faces for radio.
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  I mean, come on now.
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  where we get deep into the bowels of our winter recap because we have been on
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  winter break for the last couple of months our last official drive thru episode
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  was october then we did the holiday then we did the best of and did you get
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  everything on your christmas list you've been turned to wrenches on your car is
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  your car happy i got some tools on the christmas list i didn't get anything for
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  the kitchen this year they gave me that stuff for father's day and but i did get
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  A new set of gear wrench sockets and some new ratchets, the 120 tooth ratchets.
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  They're pretty sweet.
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  Three quarter inch, half inch and three eighth inch.
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  Or the little guy.
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  Well, I hear congratulations are in order.
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  Your car is off jack stands.
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  Ah, so pump the brakes there.
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  Pun intended.
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  It is off jack stands, but the brake pedal goes to the floor
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  and then it builds up pressure.
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  Before it would just go to the floor and it would continuously go to the floor.
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  Then, and obviously because I changed the brake lines at the
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  caliper, I needed to add fluid.
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  So I put fluid in and now I pump the brakes.
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  It goes to the floor once and then it comes back.
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  So I need to put it back on jack stands, get the wheels off of it.
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  And I just need to do a whole system flush and make sure there's no leaks.
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  So that's my next step.
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  You got all the breathers and PCVs and all that intake stuff done too, right?
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  So the car's running again.
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  Oh, the car's running really well now.
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  Yeah, it runs great.
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  PCVs back in the intake manifold, the intake gasket, the intake manifold, new
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  gasket, new valve cover, gasket, uh, new plugs, new coils, all back together now.
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  And all the suspension stuff, it's still just needs a brake flush and.
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  Starting to sound like a Bubba Gump commercial there.
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  Fried shrimp, boiled shrimp.
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  Control arms, upper control arms, lower control arms, rear
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  control arms, front control arms.
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  Well, the reason I bring it up is non car enthusiasts would be like, Brad,
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  bro, that decrepit old car into trash.
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  You need to buy.
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  Something new, if I could afford to, I would, but this old piece of shit
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  isn't worth anything to anybody else.
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  But me and the words of, you know, anybody that's been married for a really
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  long time, it's cheaper to keep her.
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  That leads us right into our showcase.
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  And that's why I brought it up because a lot of us at GTM headquarters have
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  older cars that we cherish and we adore.
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  And we continue to turn wrenches on and you look at the stickers on these new
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  cars and you're like, I don't get it.
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  As we've talked about many times over the newest car we
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  have is a 2019 six years ago.
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  Now that was expensive looking at the prices today.
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  It's like everything's doubled.
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  And I know you love this.
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  When I bring it up that the 2025 car buying season started in August of 2024,
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  we are halfway into the 2025 sales season and things are not looking good at all.
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  There's a lot of the sky is falling.
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  The end is nigh.
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  It's the end of the world.
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  There's going to be a car market collapse.
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  The industry is imploding.
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  I used to be on that train the first year they started talking about it, but now
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  we're in like year five or six of them talking about the car bubble bursting.
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  I haven't seen it yet.
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  I will say I work in finance.
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  I work for a financial institution.
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  I do see Delinquency and collection numbers and charge
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  off numbers and stuff like that.
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  It's actually a big part of my job and our auto loans, delinquencies
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  have gone up slightly, but nothing like what has been predicted.
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  I will say the repo men that we have that we contract with are Very, very
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  busy and the lead times on picking up these vehicles has gone from like within
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  30 days to like within 90 to 120 days.
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  They are very busy collecting these vehicles, but maybe it's just because we
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  didn't do any type of predatory lending.
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  We're not in that trouble.
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  Well, there's a whole lot of that going on because these cars have
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  gotten to the point where you're making mortgage payments on them.
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  They're so expensive.
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  The video that we have in our showcase that kind of set the whole tone for
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  this, this month done by a YouTuber.
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  And he's apparently done shorter versions of this same thing throughout the year.
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  And I feel like this was a compilation video cause it was very
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  stitched together and he was kind of repetitive, but very thorough, very
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  informative, and very interesting.
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  He went to actual dealerships and he started walking up and down the lots
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  and looking at the markups, looking at the prices, how many trucks and
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  cars were still left on the lot.
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  I felt like he was doing an audition for CBS Evening News because he's got
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  this very Tom Brokaw way of speaking and it was very clean and, and everything.
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  And so it got me thinking because there's other articles that have been
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  floating around during the winter break about the market and these companies
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  that are merging and CEOs that are just stepping out unannounced and whatnot.
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  So.
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  I want to take a deeper dive and see if the sky is really falling on this.
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  So I recommend everybody watch this first video by untamed motors.
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  So again, he's got a whole series of these.
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  You know, I saw another video.
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  Actually, it was quite popular on Instagram.
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  Somebody at a car dealership was going around.
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  I think he was a salesperson at the dealership and asking
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  the other salespeople.
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  What they were paying on their cars and keep in mind they work at the dealership.
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  They probably get pretty decent pricing and maybe even
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  pretty decent financial terms.
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  96 month loans.
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  Every single person's loan payment was four digits.
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  Good.
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  Can you imagine?
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  No, like you were saying, that's, uh, some people's rent and that's some
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  people's, you know, mortgage payments.
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  But 000 for a cell phone.
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  I'm not totally surprised, but still, it's just ridiculous how many
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  people pay with these cards, right?
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  And not to get into a political debate or a discussion about, you know,
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  world economics and inflation and all this, all the bills are going up and
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  actually untamed talks about that.
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  He's like, insurance is going up and electricity is going up and
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  this is going up and that's why everything's getting more expensive.
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  And obviously the paychecks are all staying the same.
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  The markups, which we've talked about Bullshit that they
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  add to the price of the car.
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  And you look at an F one 50 best selling vehicle in the world, as we've reported
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  before, when he goes up and down the line at the dealership, I don't know
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  the difference of the trim packages.
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  I'm just not that into it, nor do I really care, but the point is.
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  Entry level F 150.
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  I'm sure you can get the two seat, no cab, long bed, basic work truck for 35, 000.
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  And that's the argument people are going to make, but that's
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  not what people are buying.
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  People are buying these as family haulers.
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  And then there are the folks that just use them for work.
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  And when you look at the price spectrum, they're anywhere from
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  50 to over 100, 000 for an F 150.
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  Let's not even talk about the Rams and the Chevys and the Dodges and all
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  the other trucks that are out there.
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  And it's like, these vehicles are designed for all of us, you know,
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  not like a special class, like you're buying a Ferrari or a Porsche,
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  you have a certain demographic.
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  That's going to buy that.
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  That's going to be interested in, have the liquidity to be able to do that.
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  Or maybe it's aspirational.
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  Let's just leave that where it is, but a truck's a truck.
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  You're going to use it for work and haul stuff, maybe on the farm or just
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  because you want to go to the mall and that's fine, but they've priced
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  everybody out of the market because even somebody with a lot of money is
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  going to go 100, 000 for an F one 50, but see, you're missing the point.
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  Am I?
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  Or at least part of the point.
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  So these trucks, they're big, they weigh a certain amount of weight, you know,
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  with government tax write offs and you, the way you depreciate them, a vehicle
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  that meets in a certain criteria, you can take the full write off of its
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  depreciated value in one hit, which lowers your taxable income, which then ends
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  up putting more money in your pocket.
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  So they buy it, has the company bankroll it and cashflow it.
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  Then they depreciate it, which reduces their taxable income,
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  and then it reduces what they owe the IRS at the end of the year.
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  It must be nice.
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  I guess everybody and their brother in the United States has an LLC now, so
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  they can do this kind of thing, right?
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  Like, I don't get it.
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  I think that's what a lot of these people are doing.
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  These tradesmen, people that buy trucks every year, every two years,
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  you know, replacing their F 150 that's only got like 50, 000 miles on it.
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  Granted 50, 000 miles in two years is a lot of miles, but you know,
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  they're replacing it with something brand new because they're taking
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  the tax right off each year.
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  What the government is doing, and I have bear witness to this myself
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  in the greater DMV area, right?
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  The DC metro area.
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  You notice that they've changed the way they're issuing the registration
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  and the license plates now.
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  And so they've readjusted what you pay for your tags based on the weight of
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  the vehicle, which is a very European.
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  Way of doing things.
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  So they do that in England and other places, the bigger the vehicle is, the
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  heavier it is, we're going to impose this like road tax it now it's become
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  a luxury that you drive a 9, 000 pound Hummer or cyber truck or whatever it is.
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  That just makes total sense.
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  And if you think about it, I don't know if you remember back in the day, I don't
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  know if it's still a thing or not, but.
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  Back when in the early 2000s and before there used to be a luxury tax
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  on vehicles that were purchased over, I think it was like 35, 000 or something.
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  Yep.
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  There was an additional on top of the sales tack and additional luxury tax.
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  They can't have that now because that's the normal price of a vehicle now.
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  Yeah.
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  Unfortunately, you know, to register your minivan.
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  In the greater DC area, get ready to fork over 600 bucks when it used to be 150.
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  It's absolutely insane what they're doing.
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  And so every time we turn around, it's getting worse.
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  Insurance is going up.
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  Cost of cars are going up.
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  And then the funny part about what Antin was talking about, he goes, the
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  used market was crazy during COVID.
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  We know that, but actually that has sort of right sized itself, and he was
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  talking about, here's a XYZ Expedition with the Black Knight Mohawk package that
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  it comes with, and like, all these bells and whistles, and he's like, I bought
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  the exact same truck used, two years old.
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  And it's like a third the price, the sticker price on the dealer lot.
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  He's like, just buy one used.
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  I would do that too, especially something low mileage or whatever, but it's insane.
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  The people that are taking out these six, seven, eight plus
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  year loans on 100, 000 truck.
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  And the stupid thing is only worth a third.
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  They're only thinking about the cash flow.
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  Can I afford the monthly payment?
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  It's absolutely insane.
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  Some of these other ones on here, and we're gonna go through some
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  of the major manufacturers that are sort of in this mess and have
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  gotten themselves into a pickle.
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  One of them being Ford.
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  And the headline reads, Ford EVs struggle to continue in this rapidly
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  deteriorating market conditions.
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  Oh, again, the sky is falling.
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  Let's be real.
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  Who wants an F 150 Lightning?
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  It costs more than a F 150 V8.
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  And are you really going to save money on the electricity long term?
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  I get it.
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  We're saving the world and all this kind of stuff.
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  But we've seen the tests.
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  They can only tow so far.
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  They can only go so far.
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  Yeah, you can recharge your house on them or whatever, but Is it worth it?
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  Yeah.
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  If I wanted to pick up truck that was like a car simply just because I like
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  the pickup truck design and I wanted to pick up truck, okay, yeah, I'd consider
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  one over, you know, some of the other electrics out there, it's got space, it's
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  got cargo capacity, whatever, but to use it like a truck for truck things, no.
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  Exactly.
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  Well, and to your point, if you want a truck bodied.
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  Vehicle to have that truck feel because that's what you like to drive.
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  What's wrong with a Maverick?
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  And then maybe let's make it a hybrid because it already comes with
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  that anemic four cylinder anyway.
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  Well, the Maverick size wise isn't big enough.
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  Flag on the play because the Maverick is the size of an old F 150 from a
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  couple generations back, which we all know back then, economy of scale.
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  It was huge, but now it's tiny.
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  It's like a S10 in comparison to the stuff that they're producing, that
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  they're all the size of freaking barges.
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  As someone who is a, you know, and I quote, as someone has told me many
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  times, I'm a very large human being.
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  I appreciate the extra space in some of these vehicles.
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  And my reality is I don't fit in a Maverick.
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  I don't fit in the older F 150s.
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  I don't fit in those vehicles.
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  Bigger vehicles accommodate me better.
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  So that's what I'm going to look at, except for a GTI.
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  I will drive a Volkswagen hatchback because they accommodate me too.
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  You got that bubble car.
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  So it's all good.
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  But Ford, they got the F one 50.
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  Okay, great.
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  But then they've decided to do the Capri and then these other ones,
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  which are rebadged Volkswagen's.
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  Why are you taking this gamble?
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  On somebody else's product, which isn't really selling that
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  great in their own portfolio.
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  And you want to take that on and try to sell and compete against that.
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  To me, it doesn't make sense to me.
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  They're cheating and it's not working out for them.
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  If you want to build a good electric vehicle, do it from scratch,
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  engineer it, build it yourself.
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  Come up with something innovative.
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  EVs are supposed to be the next level technology.
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  You know, the future, make it look like that, make it dramatic, make
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  it something that people are going to want to buy, not just a rebadge.
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  Like you're saying a Volkswagen, the Capri looks like a Polestar.
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  Looks like a this looks like a that.
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  I mean, none of these vehicles are particularly eye catching or good looking.
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  They're overly priced.
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  They're trying to cheat.
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  And then they're suffering because people realize, oh, well, this is just the same
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  shit just with a different front emblem.
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  I'm glad you brought that up cars that look like other cars
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  that look like other cars.
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  That brings us to Chrysler.
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  Who announced that they're halting production of the airflow.
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  You remember the airflow?
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  We talked about that, you know, midsize SUV thing.
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  We're like, Ooh, something new from Chrysler, other than just a
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  bread box on wheels, AKA minivan.
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  And they've decided now we're not going to do that anymore.
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  Oh yeah.
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  It looks like a lifted Chrysler 200.
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  With a shooting break back end, it looks way better than the 200.
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  It's not bad looking.
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  No, it's not at all.
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  I was really interested in this when they first announced it.
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  It has very Germanic styling to it.
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  I mean, like you said, like a pole star or an ID for the Capri, they all
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  kind of look the same, but I'm like, here's another one down the drain.
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  That could be a result of the fact that there's still no CEO.
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  It's the way it is.
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  No, I don't know.
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  So one other thing to add to the Stellantis.
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  Mess is a DeDoy moment to quote you.
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  Brad Jeep has come back and said that maybe they overshot with
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  their pricing on the Wagoneer.
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  Maybe nobody wants to spend 150, 000 on a three row Jeep.
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  I was looking at this actually, not this article, whatever I don't read.
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  So, but I was looking into the Wagoneers because I see a lot of
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  them in my neighborhood and I'm like, they can't be all these people paying
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  six figures for a Jeep Wagoneer.
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  Right.
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  What I found, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, the
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  regular Wagoneer is in the 60s.
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  So, similar price to a Suburban, Tahoe, Sequoia, vehicles of that ilk.
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  The Grand Wagoneer is where you get into the Range Rover pricing and
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  stuff like that, which I have not.
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  seen a lot of grand Wagoneers.
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  So I actually do feel the standard Wagoneer pricing is actually pretty
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  decent given what the competition is.
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  The grand Wagoneer, I think is probably shooting for the stars
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  and not really landing on the moon.
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  That one I could, I could see it should be cheaper, but the
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  regular Wagoneer, I think is fine.
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  If we're talking about EVs real quick, one that I have seen a lot of.
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  That I'm very impressed with in person, and I really, really like it.
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  And if I was in the market for an EV, I would totally consider getting one.
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  Is the Cadillac, uh, what's it called?
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  The, the derelict, the
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  lyric.
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  I've seen several of them in person and I think they are awesome looking.
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  I love the weird quirky Citroen styling that they do have like
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  a very classic French styling.
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  And I just think they're really awesome looking cars for the EV market.
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  Different.
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  That's for sure.
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  I mean, not everything has to look like it came out of the Jetsons, you
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  know, all the stuff that Toyota is producing, where you're just like,
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  you just make it look normal and then put it in electric power plant in it.
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  I don't know why nobody's caught on to that.
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  But speaking of Toyota, a company that we've talked about multiple times that
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  doesn't have, but whatever that BR4X RAV4 electric thing that they came out with,
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  just to say they have an electric, an all electric, they bet the farm on hybrids.
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  New CARB rules have gone into effect where by 2026, so we're talking
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  next year, well, actually this summer, if we go by sales, right?
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  So by August, September of this year, when they're producing 2026 models
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  that have to comply with the new CARB 2 rules, California and the 12 or 13
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  other states out of our great 50 states here in America that abide by the CARB
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  rules are saying, Not practically zero emissions or, you know, all the PZEV and
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  PHEV and all those acronyms are out there.
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  They're talking ZEV, Zero Emissions Vehicles, earlier than expected.
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  And Toyota's like, dude, what?
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  This is impossible.
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  There's no way.
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  As a Toyota person, when I've got two Toyotas in my fleet, I love my Tundra.
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  It's been flawless for the last seven years, uh, and I'm expecting
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  the van to be very similar.
• 18:33
  Anybody that's got a new Tundra or a new Tacoma will tell you Toyota
• 18:38
  is looking at a bunch of recalls and issues with major components like the
• 18:44
  Tundra's twin turbo motor is blowing up and grenading themselves, the
• 18:48
  Tacoma's transmissions are grenading themselves, Toyota uh, Can't really
• 18:53
  afford to invest in the EV market right now because they've got to fix all the
• 18:57
  issues that they have with these trucks.
• 18:59
  No, they got to pay for kazoo racing to go to Formula One.
• 19:03
  Well, yeah, let's, let's talk about that for a minute.
• 19:07
  How much is that going to cost?
• 19:08
  Come on.
• 19:09
  I don't know.
• 19:10
  I guess they're hoping that, you know, if they get the constructors
• 19:13
  championships or points from that.
• 19:15
  More people are going to buy Tundras.
• 19:17
  Come on.
• 19:18
  I mean and even the price of tundras has gone up a lot like they're 60 70
• 19:23
  plus thousand dollars when they were the more reasonable by but you had to
• 19:27
  convince somebody not to buy a ford or chevy it's like dude look at the toyota
• 19:31
  like seriously look at a toyota and now.
• 19:35
  They're just as expensive as someone who actually went through that exact scenario.
• 19:40
  When I was looking for a truck, I was looking at the Ford, the Chevy and
• 19:44
  the Toyota, the Fords and the Chevys consistently priced in the fifties.
• 19:48
  And then even with the 10, 000 of the dealerships were throwing back at people
• 19:52
  and rebates and stuff just for fun.
• 19:54
  It seemed like you go in, you never pay sticker because he
• 19:57
  comes back with a 10, 000 rebate.
• 19:59
  I still got the Toyota for mid thirties.
• 20:01
  And it does everything that I needed to do.
• 20:03
  It did everything the Ford and the Chevy did.
• 20:05
  And I've had it for seven years with zero problems.
• 20:08
  We've been talking about pickup trucks a bit because they are some
• 20:11
  of the best selling vehicles in the U S and we've mentioned Ford.
• 20:15
  We've mentioned Chevy.
• 20:16
  We mentioned Dodge Rams or just Ram now, and then the Toyota Tundra.
• 20:20
  But we forgot one, right?
• 20:21
  Another manufacturer of full size pickup trucks, Nissan.
• 20:25
  We didn't forget Nissan.
• 20:26
  Nissan forgot themselves.
• 20:28
  I think Nissan forgot everything.
• 20:30
  What is going on over there?
• 20:32
  For those of you listening at home, if you haven't heard this yet, I don't
• 20:36
  know where you've been, especially if you're a car enthusiast parent company.
• 20:40
  Renault also involved in this debacle is looking to divest
• 20:44
  Nissan and sell it to Toyota.
• 20:48
  Again, kazoo racing, the Tundra recalls, and now they're going to buy Nissan.
• 20:52
  What are they doing?
• 20:54
  It sounds like they've gone full Volkswagen.
• 20:56
  Dude, this is unreal.
• 20:57
  Nissan.
• 20:58
  What are they losing?
• 20:59
  70 percent year over year.
• 21:01
  They've slashed production.
• 21:02
  They laid off 9, 000 employees.
• 21:05
  I don't know.
• 21:05
  That doesn't seem like a big number to me for an auto manufacturer.
• 21:08
  I don't know why.
• 21:09
  And then we can talk about infinity.
• 21:10
  I mean, people still buy those like really inside of this mess.
• 21:14
  Is the fact that Renault has controlling stock in Nissan.
• 21:18
  They bought them back 20 plus years ago when the 350z came out.
• 21:22
  Right.
• 21:22
  So it's, we're going that far back in time.
• 21:24
  And so Renault has been involved and then Nissan had acquired Mitsubishi.
• 21:28
  And we all know how well Mitsubishi has done in the last.
• 21:30
  Ever so the DSM days are long gone.
• 21:35
  Oh my God.
• 21:35
  And talking about Mitsubishi, they haven't made a cool car since the Evo.
• 21:39
  When did that stop production?
• 21:40
  Like 2012, 2015, 15 years ago.
• 21:44
  Well, they make that Lancer across whatever the hell that thing CV is.
• 21:48
  It's awful.
• 21:48
  I reiterate, they, they haven't made any cool cars in a really long time.
• 21:51
  But that being said.
• 21:53
  Nissan's like this money pit and we talked about it before how exciting
• 21:56
  it was when the 400, which again, the Z, a lot of people just call it
• 22:00
  the Z, but let's call it the 400.
• 22:01
  The Zaltima.
• 22:02
  So the Z was coming out and it's like bargain basement price
• 22:05
  and still nobody bought them.
• 22:08
  And we spotted one over the holidays.
• 22:10
  My wife was like, what is that?
• 22:11
  I said, that's the Z, that's the car I kept talking about.
• 22:14
  That's the car I am still interested in purchasing, but I don't think
• 22:17
  you can get one if you tried.
• 22:19
  And at this point, Nissan's probably fire sailing those cars.
• 22:22
  If they do have any of them, are they fire sailing them?
• 22:25
  Or can you not find them?
• 22:26
  If you're interested in buying a 400 Z, then I think you should.
• 22:29
  I think we need a segment where Eric talks about how he's
• 22:32
  going to try and buy a 400 Z.
• 22:34
  And then we want to hear the answers of buying the Z.
• 22:36
  That was like all of 2023.
• 22:37
  What are you talking about?
• 22:38
  We already covered all that.
• 22:39
  No, but that was before it came out.
• 22:40
  Then you saw it in person and you're like, meh.
• 22:43
  That front end, it's we, yeah, whatever, we'll get into that.
• 22:46
  Maybe I am speaking out of both sides a little bit, but my point is this.
• 22:50
  They struck gold with the fact it's a twin turbo, six cylinder, proper
• 22:55
  grand tour, because I can't call it a sports car because we saw the test
• 22:59
  and how it all panned out against the Zupra and everything else.
• 23:02
  It's a nice car and for 50 grand, compared to a lot of other things
• 23:05
  you can buy for 50 grand, if you're an enthusiast, it's like, don't
• 23:08
  walk, run to the Nissan dealership.
• 23:11
  And buy one.
• 23:12
  But here's the deal.
• 23:13
  They're losing money hand over fist.
• 23:14
  As Tanya has always said, they just make one car.
• 23:16
  It's the Ultima.
• 23:17
  They stretch it and they crunch it and they elongate it and
• 23:20
  all those kinds of things.
• 23:21
  Toyota's like, yeah, bro, we're gonna bring you on board.
• 23:24
  But there's a couple stipulations.
• 23:26
  And this is where I started laughing because I'm digging into these articles.
• 23:29
  And Toyota's like, All right, Nissan, we'll bring you in to the family if you
• 23:34
  can make yourself profitable by 2026.
• 23:37
  How?
• 23:38
  They haven't been freaking profitable forever.
• 23:40
  What they need to do is change the name from Nissan to Ultima Motor Company.
• 23:44
  Go back to Datsun.
• 23:46
  And just, yeah, everything, everything's an Ultima.
• 23:48
  And then, yeah, they just rebrand every car to Ultima.
• 23:51
  The Ultima Sport, the Ultima Touring, the Ultima Econ.
• 23:56
  And we know some people that had.
• 23:58
  Titans, the big Nissan full size pickup that competes with everything else.
• 24:02
  And it just, it couldn't compete with everything else.
• 24:05
  And they had transmission issues and like you're talking about with Toyota.
• 24:09
  I'm going to call BS, but I'm going to reserve the right to keep my opinions
• 24:13
  to myself about that particular issue.
• 24:17
  But that particular truck at this time, I have a feeling I know
• 24:21
  where you're going with that.
• 24:22
  There's a lot of lead.
• 24:25
  Yeah.
• 24:25
  What did Jeremy Clarkson say about fuel economy?
• 24:28
  It's all about how you use the right pedal.
• 24:30
  Yeah.
• 24:31
  Same kind of thing.
• 24:32
  The sky continues to fall.
• 24:34
  Prices are out of control.
• 24:35
  We've got cars still sitting on dealership lots because chips or whatever, you
• 24:39
  know, cars are sitting on dealer lots because they're too fricking expensive.
• 24:43
  Nissan's in dire straits.
• 24:44
  Toyota, they got their own issues and doing Formula One and everything else.
• 24:48
  And then Volkswagen.
• 24:49
  Oh boy.
• 24:50
  Volkswagen, our favorite, our absolute favorite.
• 24:52
  And the CEO from the U.
• 24:54
  S.
• 24:54
  decided during winter break, he just quit.
• 24:57
  We're done.
• 24:58
  And I was reading into it and it wasn't like when they got rid of
• 25:00
  the guy that designed the ID Buzz.
• 25:02
  They're just like, yeah, we're done with you.
• 25:05
  Nope.
• 25:05
  They're just like, this guy just left.
• 25:07
  That's it.
• 25:07
  On his own recognizance, he just quit.
• 25:09
  So then they took the guy who was the head of HR for Volkswagen of America,
• 25:13
  put him in charge until like December.
• 25:15
  And now the new head of VW USA is the former CEO of Porsche North America.
• 25:23
  And he was in that role in 2020.
• 25:25
  So the beginning of COVID, and then he left and went to Rivian
• 25:28
  and then he left Rivian in 2023.
• 25:30
  So now the guy that was in charge of Porsche North America is in
• 25:33
  charge of Volkswagen North America.
• 25:35
  I don't think it's going to make a damn bit of difference because
• 25:37
  of the ID buzz is still 63, 000.
• 25:39
  Can you imagine a Volkswagen minivan?
• 25:42
  63.
• 25:44
  I mean, it's on par with other electrics out there, isn't it?
• 25:48
  Isn't the pricing on par with what electric cars are costing?
• 25:51
  That thing should be 40 grand and a hybrid, but I'll
• 25:54
  leave that part where it is.
• 25:56
  I agree.
• 25:57
  I agree.
• 25:58
  So right now, if the van Is 63 grand, that is the most
• 26:02
  expensive Volkswagen in the fleet?
• 26:04
  I guess it is, I guess it would be.
• 26:05
  So the ID Buzz is Volkswagen's flagship.
• 26:08
  That's what they're hanging their hat on right now, is that two tone breadbox.
• 26:11
  Something tells me the VW bus in the 60s was not the flagship of VW.
• 26:17
  Oh, you don't say?
• 26:19
  Where's the Beetle again?
• 26:20
  It's still being produced in Mexico.
• 26:24
  So the Passat's gone, they don't make a wagon anymore of any kind.
• 26:28
  I don't even count the Alltrack, I think those are all left over anyway.
• 26:31
  So then, Golf is sorta still around, the Golf R, we went into
• 26:36
  that whole debate last year.
• 26:37
  So if the Golf R is not the flagship, the hot hatch, the van is, so we've
• 26:43
  talked about how the Golf was gonna be over 40, 000 and you guys were like,
• 26:47
  nah, there's no way, there's no way.
• 26:49
  And the Brits had already reported that the prices of the Golfs were going up.
• 26:52
  When you look at the lineup, it's not very deep.
• 26:54
  If Porsche guy, coming from the 9 11 mentality, goes, golf should be flagship,
• 27:01
  how much is the golf gonna cost?
• 27:03
  Or are they gonna have to bring the price of the van down?
• 27:05
  Well, I don't necessarily think flagship means the most
• 27:09
  expensive vehicle in the fleet.
• 27:12
  VAG world, though.
• 27:14
  Look at the Phaeton.
• 27:15
  Look at the A8.
• 27:16
  I don't know if that necessarily is the definition of what a
• 27:18
  flagship vehicle should be, though.
• 27:20
  What else would it be?
• 27:21
  The most iconic, most recognizable vehicle.
• 27:23
  The vehicle that everybody, like, you look at and you know, oh my
• 27:26
  god, okay, that's a Volkswagen.
• 27:28
  Okay, we'll apply that philosophy to VAG.
• 27:31
  With the example of Porsche.
• 27:33
  So if the most iconic car, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, in the
• 27:36
  lineup, nine 11, nine 11 is the most expensive one they have hands down.
• 27:41
  Well, yeah, that's one use case.
• 27:43
  So the GTI is the nine 11 of VW.
• 27:47
  So 80, 000 for the Golf R.
• 27:49
  And what doesn't mean that it has to cost 80, 000.
• 27:52
  It just means that that's the.
• 27:54
  car that they're hanging their hats on according to the interwebs, a
• 27:58
  flagship vehicle doesn't have anything to a cost, but it is the vehicle in
• 28:02
  the lineup that embodies the best that the automated car stands for.
• 28:06
  Thank you, Tanya.
• 28:07
  I think that's exactly what I was trying to say, even though I
• 28:09
  wasn't as eloquent as Tanya was.
• 28:11
  They're usually high performance models, which can translate the cost.
• 28:15
  Of course, you're paying for the technology and the engineering.
• 28:17
  The design is.
• 28:18
  Striking, usually, or expressive, usually have better technology in them.
• 28:24
  And then in terms of volume, it's a higher volume line.
• 28:30
  So by that definition, then the ID buzz is the flagship of Volkswagen right now.
• 28:34
  It's got better technology.
• 28:36
  It should be higher volume than the golf R if that's the 9 11 of Volkswagen.
• 28:41
  That is a finite niche market of people that buy that compared to the
• 28:45
  people that should be buying the vans.
• 28:47
  Sorry.
• 28:47
  It's size, not volume.
• 28:49
  So I guess the physical size, it's the largest car in the automaker's
• 28:52
  lineup, then it's ID buzz done.
• 28:54
  But it's usually the car that represents the best of an automaker's capabilities,
• 28:58
  which I've seen the interior and the ID buzz, and I've heard other people say it.
• 29:01
  It's not that nice.
• 29:02
  Well, then I would say the golf, the golf bar is the flagship
• 29:05
  of the Volkswagen fleet.
• 29:06
  We'll put a pin in this for now.
• 29:08
  Mark my words, the Golf is going to get more expensive.
• 29:10
  It'll get more expensive, but I don't think it'll be
• 29:12
  80, 000 to beat the ID Buzz.
• 29:15
  Unless they come out with a GT3 RS equivalent.
• 29:19
  They have it in Europe.
• 29:20
  It's the GTI Club Sport.
• 29:22
  Yeah, but that's a race car.
• 29:24
  That's basically, it's specifically for racing.
• 29:26
  Can you say Volkswagen has a flagship?
• 29:29
  It used to be the Passat.
• 29:31
  Yeah.
• 29:31
  And I think that's another point.
• 29:32
  Like not every auto manufacturer has a flagship.
• 29:35
  Flagship would be like an a eight L rolls up or an S class, but I
• 29:41
  don't think it was Passat either.
• 29:42
  Maybe it was the fate.
• 29:43
  It was the Faden when they had it.
• 29:45
  And then the, the twa, the twa wag, the twarg, the twa wag, stupid name.
• 29:52
  Well, anyway, ID Buzz, 63, 000, my mind is still melting over
• 29:57
  the price every time I see it.
• 29:58
  I think you have to have two flagships if you're talking electric
• 30:00
  vehicles, because an ID Buzz is so radically different than a Golf,
• 30:04
  you could almost have two flagships.
• 30:06
  According to Eric, Volkswagen's flagship EV then is the Ford
• 30:09
  Capri because it's the same car.
• 30:14
  What a mess.
• 30:15
  Welcome to the global economy.
• 30:16
  Since we're still speaking of Volkswagen, do we have to, I mean, they need to
• 30:20
  get their heads out of their butts.
• 30:21
  Talk about the entire automotive industry needs to get their
• 30:24
  heads out of their butts.
• 30:26
  Well, did you hear about the data leak for VW?
• 30:28
  This one's pretty bad.
• 30:30
  I know all about VW leaking.
• 30:31
  Well, yeah.
• 30:33
  Tell us more about that.
• 30:34
  Headline reads massive Volkswagen data leak exposed 800, 000 EV owners.
• 30:41
  Movements from homes to brothels and everything in between.
• 30:45
  Big Brother is watching.
• 30:46
  I feel like that title is clickbait.
• 30:48
  Isn't it though?
• 30:49
  But if you read on, it says sensitive information about Volkswagen, Audi,
• 30:53
  Seat, and Skoda EVs was left exposed and unprotected in a misconfigured
• 30:57
  cloud storage system for months.
• 30:59
  Why are they tracking the cars?
• 31:02
  This is the kind of stuff that's going to kill the automotive industry.
• 31:06
  So Volkswagen is not the only company that's doing this.
• 31:09
  If you remember what Lizzie was saying, I don't know if she said it on air, but when
• 31:14
  we were talking to her about the Lexus Nexus network and how all cars, I did some
• 31:19
  research and yes, my Toyota, all Toyotas from like a certain year on send driver
• 31:25
  data and vehicle data back to Toyota.
• 31:29
  As well.
• 31:30
  Now what they're doing with that data, I'm not sure, but it does say
• 31:32
  like movements, speed, breaking, you know, all kinds of information.
• 31:37
  Volkswagen is not the only car manufacturer that's doing this.
• 31:39
  I think it's an industry wide issue, a privacy issue, that
• 31:43
  nobody seems to be talking about.
• 31:45
  So what's the endgame here?
• 31:46
  Is it all to invalidate your warranty?
• 31:48
  Because what else would they want to collect your driving behavior data for?
• 31:53
  That's why insurance costs are going up.
• 31:54
  Insurance companies are looking and said, Brad, it looks like you went 90 miles an
• 31:59
  hour on Sunday, January 22nd or whatever.
• 32:04
  Because of that, we're raising your insurance rates to XYZ dollars
• 32:08
  a month or something like that.
• 32:09
  I feel like that data is being sold to somebody.
• 32:12
  That's why the trickle down effect, all this just going up.
• 32:15
  There you go.
• 32:16
  It's being sold to something because data is king right now, but doesn't
• 32:20
  necessarily mean it's being sold.
• 32:21
  Although it probably is also going to insurance companies.
• 32:25
  And there's a social engineering aspect around all this too, because imagine
• 32:29
  someone's tracking you go from your home and you go to Starbucks and then you
• 32:32
  go to McDonald's drive thru and then you go to the whatever grocery store.
• 32:35
  Oh no, then you stopped here and oh, you stopped there.
• 32:38
  There's a whole slew of things this data could be used for and
• 32:40
  people that could be buying it.
• 32:42
  So even outside of the insurance company thing, it's like the marketing
• 32:45
  loys when you're scrolling through Facebook or something like that.
• 32:49
  And you're going to start doing targeted campaigns and suddenly
• 32:52
  your little infotainment screen in your car or something is going to
• 32:54
  start suggesting like, Oh, Starbucks has a sale on caramel macchiatos.
• 32:59
  Pumpkin spice latte seasons here.
• 33:01
  You know?
• 33:02
  Waze already does that.
• 33:03
  It's been doing that for years where you're driving and because it knows where
• 33:07
  you are, obviously it's a navigation app.
• 33:09
  If you're driving by a Dunkin Donuts, sure enough pops up in your Waze app.
• 33:13
  Dunkin Donuts is right here.
• 33:14
  They've got a sale going on, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 33:17
  And it's like, no, just tell me where the cops are.
• 33:19
  And then it's just like anybody who's seen, well, I can't remember if it was
• 33:23
  iRobot or Minority Report, Black Mirror, that too, but there was a specific movie.
• 33:27
  I can't remember if it was when Tom Cruise was walking into the police station or
• 33:31
  something, but you walk past the stores and everything and the screens pop up and
• 33:35
  it say, Hey, you know, this is on sale.
• 33:37
  You, we know you bought this last month.
• 33:39
  You, you want this, you know, it goes into exactly what Tanya is saying.
• 33:42
  There's too much information on everybody out there and it's being used nefariously.
• 33:48
  It is.
• 33:48
  And I don't even want to get into a discussion about cybersecurity because
• 33:52
  that's my day gig and nevermind.
• 33:56
  I will just say, stop using Chrome.
• 33:57
  That's all I'm going to say.
• 33:58
  Really?
• 33:59
  Yes.
• 34:00
  I'll just leave it at that.
• 34:01
  Anybody who knows me or follows me on the social media or whatever.
• 34:06
  There's a reason I don't post anything about my kids at all.
• 34:09
  I think there's maybe one or two pictures of my kids anywhere on
• 34:13
  Facebook, maybe the metaverse and it's of the back of their heads.
• 34:16
  That's it.
• 34:17
  You will never see my until they're old enough to make
• 34:19
  that decision for themselves.
• 34:20
  They will never be on social media.
• 34:21
  So on this whole bent of the end is nigh, the sky is falling.
• 34:25
  It's all coming to a collapse, not to be outdone.
• 34:28
  We would be remiss if we didn't include Tesla in this mess.
• 34:32
  For those of you that took a winter break like we did and you're tuning in right
• 34:35
  now, we did do our best of this year and it was time to do Tesla again because
• 34:40
  we always do Formula One and then we do Florida Man and all that fun stuff.
• 34:43
  So we did the Cybertruck thing and that was, I think that was a great episode.
• 34:47
  But you know what?
• 34:48
  The news of the Cybertruck just never seems to stop.
• 34:52
  Ever.
• 34:52
  And I don't want to continue on that treadmill.
• 34:55
  I want to like stop talking about Tesla going forward.
• 34:59
  It's our New Year's resolution.
• 35:01
  We're never going to talk about Tesla ever again.
• 35:03
  I don't want to give the air time anymore.
• 35:07
  I thought this next one was pretty damn hilarious.
• 35:11
  Tesla is buffing foundation series badges off of Cybertrucks
• 35:16
  to sell them as regular trucks.
• 35:18
  Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
• 35:20
  Come on.
• 35:21
  So what does that tell us?
• 35:22
  It tells us that the foundation series truck is literally just a badge.
• 35:29
  Well, duh.
• 35:29
  You paid for early adopter badge engineering.
• 35:32
  Yep, a vinyl that they put on there that says foundation.
• 35:36
  That's terrible.
• 35:37
  And at the same time, Tanya, you were telling me about this diverting people
• 35:42
  and personnel and resources and things to other parts of the Tesla line.
• 35:46
  Cybertruck sales are down.
• 35:48
  They can't sell them.
• 35:49
  The markups that people were buying them and trying to sell them for over a hundred
• 35:53
  thousand dollars, that's all falling flat on people's Faces glad I didn't
• 35:57
  buy one of those stupid things, right?
• 35:59
  And then the sales are down and so they're going okay Well, people are still
• 36:03
  interested in the Model Y so we'll make more Model Y's now I do see a lot more
• 36:06
  Model Y's on the road than anything else.
• 36:08
  I've gotten used to the way they look to So I had a very similar thought and
• 36:14
  I was even talking to my wife about it and I was like, you know If the
• 36:17
  Model Y was made by anybody else, I would actually consider picking one up.
• 36:22
  Well, I mean, it looks like Volkswagen's Capri or an Airflow.
• 36:26
  So they're all the same.
• 36:27
  It looks, looks like, yeah, a Ford Chevrolet Volkswagen.
• 36:30
  So at the end of the day, here we are, all these manufacturers are having issues.
• 36:35
  A lot of manufacturers have bet the farm on EV.
• 36:37
  EV sales are down.
• 36:38
  Tesla is just one example of that, but you're seeing it across the board.
• 36:42
  We said it once, we said it a hundred times.
• 36:44
  They needed to go hybrid.
• 36:46
  They needed to follow Toyota's lead, but Toyota was left
• 36:50
  backed into a corner by itself.
• 36:52
  And again, now it's suffering because of these carb rules and everything else.
• 36:56
  Hybrid was the answer.
• 36:57
  And I think it always has been, despite lack of manual transmissions and all those
• 37:01
  other things that as enthusiasts that we'd love, which they found ways around that.
• 37:05
  Now too, with hybrids, which I think is actually really, really cool.
• 37:08
  Are you talking about the scout at that?
• 37:10
  Car's never coming.
• 37:11
  Don't even get me started on that thing.
• 37:13
  They're taking reservations.
• 37:14
  I almost put one in.
• 37:15
  I almost, here we go again.
• 37:17
  Oh my God.
• 37:18
  Did you not learn the first time?
• 37:20
  The point is we're halfway through the sales year and it looks like a
• 37:24
  downward slope all the way through the summer because the cars are committed
• 37:29
  for this year and we got these new car rules like we mentioned that are
• 37:33
  going to force the manufacturers to change yet again and I think we're
• 37:35
  going to see more cars disappearing.
• 37:38
  Not because people are buying them up, but because those models cannot support
• 37:43
  whatever this next generation is.
• 37:45
  So I think there's going to be sort of a bloodletting across the industry.
• 37:48
  And that's really the collapse.
• 37:50
  That's such a good word, bloodletting.
• 37:52
  I thought that was such a great word to use to describe what's going on.
• 37:56
  It's not necessarily that these companies are going to fall apart.
• 37:59
  There's always still mergers and acquisitions happening because there's a.
• 38:02
  Graphic that I'm including with the show notes, the shows sort of the larger family
• 38:06
  hierarchy of companies, and there's really only maybe 20 car companies total, then
• 38:11
  people be like, well, what about this?
• 38:12
  What about that?
• 38:13
  But they're all part of the same conglomerate.
• 38:15
  So you have to look at the heads of those families.
• 38:18
  And so there aren't that many car companies anymore.
• 38:21
  There is a collapse coming, but it's not the way it's being portrayed
• 38:24
  from a financial perspective.
• 38:26
  It's a change in the way they're going to be building these cars
• 38:29
  the next 10, 15 years, which I'm still concerned for our kids.
• 38:34
  What the hell are they going to be driving five, eight years from now?
• 38:37
  It's just, I don't know.
• 38:38
  My kids are going to drive something that we're going to talk about later, rather
• 38:42
  than put 50, 60, 000 into a new car.
• 38:45
  Let's import a car from 25 years ago.
• 38:49
  Ooh, that's.
• 38:50
  Yeah, I like that idea.
• 38:51
  Let's come back to that.
• 38:53
  Let's close out this showcase.
• 38:55
  It is not the end of the world, despite all the YouTube videos
• 38:58
  and everything that's out there.
• 38:59
  My only piece of advice is if you have something that
• 39:02
  you like and you have it now.
• 39:04
  Keep it.
• 39:05
  Because it's cheaper to keep her.
• 39:07
  Just like you were saying earlier, right?
• 39:09
  I feel like that's going to be the tagline for this episode.
• 39:12
  Cheaper to keep her.
• 39:13
  That's the episode title right there.
• 39:15
  Yeah, that and cheaper to keep her and bloodletting.
• 39:20
  Mercury in retrograde.
• 39:24
  So let's get back to our regularly scheduled ranting and raving.
• 39:28
  We got to go back to Volkswagen for a minute because I want
• 39:31
  to play the sad trombone.
• 39:33
  I want to play taps here because 34 years of old.
• 39:38
  Awesomeness have come to a conclusion.
• 39:41
  The final VR six was assembled and rolled off out of the factory.
• 39:47
  Was it an ID buzz?
• 39:48
  No, it was in an Atlas.
• 39:50
  I'm very sad about this because the VR six.
• 39:52
  Okay.
• 39:53
  Well, Volkswagen fan boy propeller head mirror.
• 39:55
  It is one of the coolest engines.
• 39:58
  Ever engineered.
• 39:59
  Go research it.
• 40:00
  We wrote an article about this a couple years ago about the VR and the W and
• 40:05
  it is an engineering masterpiece to put a six cylinder in the space of a four
• 40:11
  and make the kind of power that they were making and continue to expand the
• 40:14
  displacement without losing any geometry in any space to the point where 3.
• 40:19
  6 liters In something that's the size of a four banger making 300 plus
• 40:24
  horsepower naturally aspirated with a sound that is unlike anything else.
• 40:28
  It's a sad day for enthusiasts that the BR 6 is gone.
• 40:31
  But the upside of that is there's plenty of spares out there
• 40:35
  because they made millions.
• 40:37
  Of VR6s over the last 34 years.
• 40:41
  So if you're looking to swap it into something, it's like a 2JZ.
• 40:44
  It's like an LS.
• 40:45
  It's like top five motors that you would do a swap with.
• 40:49
  So the VR6 is just absolutely incredible.
• 40:51
  But again, sad day.
• 40:53
  I'd love to see it come back, like the Beetle.
• 40:54
  I don't want to see it come back.
• 40:56
  What?!
• 40:56
  Not because I don't love it, but because I have one, and I want it to remain special.
• 41:01
  So I want it to not come back and just stay in what we already have.
• 41:05
  I have two myself, and I want another one, but we'll get into
• 41:08
  that at another point too, you know?
• 41:09
  I mean, I would have no problem driving an Atlas.
• 41:11
  That would be a pretty cool daily driver.
• 41:13
  Speaking of other things ending in Volkswagen, and I thought we reported
• 41:16
  about this back during COVID, there was an article from the Audi Club.
• 41:20
  About the TT was finally ending its run as well after 25 years of production.
• 41:27
  And I'm like, the TT has been dead for a while.
• 41:29
  Production numbers were terrible.
• 41:31
  They sold like 300 of them last year.
• 41:33
  How many years in the future do you think it's going to take for
• 41:36
  them to sell the very last Audi TT?
• 41:39
  Five years from now, it's 2030.
• 41:43
  We're going to do a second Audi sold one, 2025 TT.
• 41:49
  In 2030, that could very well be the case as a TT owner, I am sad
• 41:54
  to see this TT out of production.
• 41:56
  Now I wasn't always a fan of every version of it.
• 41:59
  Some of the more blocky styles that came later, it's like take it or
• 42:03
  leave it when they came out with the RS with the five cylinder turbo,
• 42:06
  absolutely incredible car in there.
• 42:08
  That's Audi's GT three right there.
• 42:10
  Would you say it's a flagship?
• 42:12
  No, no, not an Audi's portfolio, but the Carmen Ghia, I mean, the TT, it's
• 42:17
  sad to see it go, but just like the Beetle, I'm amazed that it's stuck
• 42:22
  around this long because two doors are going the way of the dodo bird.
• 42:25
  And again, their sales numbers were too low to keep it going.
• 42:29
  And not only that for the money, cause TT's.
• 42:32
  When the RS came out, the gen two, those were already 70, 000 with all the fees
• 42:36
  and everything else for 70, 000, you're going to go buy something else, something
• 42:40
  with even better performance, you know, the 400 horse that it was allegedly
• 42:44
  making, you can get 400 horse out of a Mustang for half the amount of money.
• 42:48
  It wasn't a contender.
• 42:49
  It was a boutique car in a way it was stylish.
• 42:52
  It was a statement.
• 42:52
  Like you want it to look cool and show up and go, I got something different.
• 42:56
  You show up in a TT.
• 42:57
  Okay, it's not a 911.
• 42:58
  It's not this.
• 42:59
  It's not that.
• 43:00
  It's not a tearjerker like the VR 6 going away.
• 43:03
  I will say my neighbor, someone who recently moved into the neighborhood
• 43:07
  within the last year, all of a sudden I was driving by this house
• 43:10
  and I looked over and there's a white TTRS sitting in the driveway.
• 43:15
  They've got a three car garage.
• 43:16
  I was curious as to why the TTRS got the driveway.
• 43:19
  And it's because they've got a GT3 RS in the garage parked next
• 43:23
  to their Cayenne, but I haven't seen the TT RS in a couple months.
• 43:27
  And I recently I saw the guy driving around in one of the new Continentals.
• 43:31
  So I'm wondering if he got rid of the RS for that.
• 43:33
  The small car too.
• 43:34
  It's not for everybody.
• 43:36
  No, no, it's not.
• 43:37
  You know, they're really pretty cramped.
• 43:38
  Yeah, we need to go back to the drive through notes.
• 43:41
  And look up the last time we actually had Mercedes Benz or BMW news, because
• 43:48
  this section of the drive thru notes has been TBD for as long as I can remember.
• 43:54
  We talked about that stupid BMW car, the changes color.
• 43:59
  The paint shifting, whatever.
• 44:00
  And then that car that was like came out, it was like an avatar and it
• 44:03
  was talking to people or whatever.
• 44:04
  But that was like a year ago.
• 44:06
  I can't remember since then any Mercedes or BMW news that we found noteworthy.
• 44:12
  Is there anything?
• 44:13
  No, there's nothing exciting to talk about.
• 44:15
  They don't make anything that really gets anybody's attention.
• 44:17
  Well, that, that I don't, I don't believe that's true.
• 44:20
  I follow this account on Instagram.
• 44:23
  It's good.
• 44:23
  The guy's basically a general manager of a Mercedes dealer.
• 44:26
  And they're constantly talking about G wagons that they can't.
• 44:28
  I can't keep in stock and they make cool cars, AMG GTs, anything, AMG, you know,
• 44:34
  the G 63 AMG BMWs has got the M cars.
• 44:37
  We never as enthusiasts, for whatever reason, we just never
• 44:41
  find any of their news noteworthy enough to put into the show.
• 44:45
  And I was just curious as to why the only thing I came across over the winter break
• 44:49
  that was noteworthy for BMW was some guy is now 3d printing replacement front ends.
• 44:55
  For the big grill cars.
• 44:56
  And I was like, Oh, that's pretty cool.
• 44:58
  But that's it.
• 44:59
  That's all there is to talk about.
• 45:00
  Well, I wanted to throw that out there.
• 45:01
  I find it kind of interesting if any of our listeners, any of our two listeners
• 45:05
  want to go back and look and tell us what the last episode was, if we actually
• 45:09
  talked about new Mercedes and BMW news, I would be very curious to hear about that.
• 45:14
  I read something else.
• 45:16
  that said that BMW is going to get rid of the competition thing and they're going to
• 45:20
  go back to their original badging so that an M is an M and not an M240 and to get a
• 45:26
  real M you had to get the M competition so oh my god we're reverse badge engineering
• 45:31
  now I love that probably because all the people that wouldn't want an actual M car.
• 45:35
  They're so mad that this Joe blows, uh, Sally homemakers
• 45:39
  driving around in a two 40.
• 45:40
  I am X, Y, Z telling people that she's got an M car.
• 45:45
  And she's like, no, that's not an M car.
• 45:46
  That's just a two series.
• 45:48
  We all had leftovers during Thanksgiving, Christmas dinner.
• 45:51
  You know, you probably made ham sandwiches for two weeks, but you know
• 45:54
  who else is going to have leftovers.
• 45:55
  It's always going to be Dodge.
• 45:57
  We're going to find a brand new Dodge Dart in 2030 along with that TT.
• 46:01
  But I couldn't believe this article from Jalopnik.
• 46:03
  I can't believe most articles from Jalopnik.
• 46:05
  These numbers are astonishing.
• 46:08
  It's, it's crazy.
• 46:10
  So enlighten us, Brad.
• 46:11
  The article reads, Stellantis sold over 78, 000 cars.
• 46:15
  Their production ended before 2024.
• 46:17
  Zombie cars.
• 46:18
  Dead cars.
• 46:19
  Not to be confused with like the zombie race teams, you know,
• 46:22
  zombie cars and NASCAR or whatever.
• 46:24
  This is completely different.
• 46:25
  But yeah, the cars production ended before 2024.
• 46:28
  And yet they still sold these cars in 24 and it's 43 percent of their sales.
• 46:33
  Ridiculous.
• 46:35
  Our old Dodge darts.
• 46:36
  Look, Oh my God.
• 46:37
  Yes.
• 46:38
  This is amazing.
• 46:38
  One Dodge Dart was sold.
• 46:40
  We reported on that Dodge Dart.
• 46:42
  Two Dodge caravans and then 5, 295 Chrysler 300s.
• 46:47
  I don't know who the hell bought those cars.
• 46:49
  They sold a bunch of chargers.
• 46:50
  No one Viper.
• 46:52
  And then they're throwing the Jeeps in here.
• 46:54
  What is the Ram ProMaster City?
• 46:56
  Is that that van?
• 46:57
  Yes.
• 46:57
  The Ram Van.
• 46:58
  That little like Mercedes Sprinter thing.
• 47:01
  Ram Van.
• 47:02
  If somebody has a Ram Van and they don't have the license plate Ram Van,
• 47:05
  you're doing yourself a disservice.
• 47:07
  Ram a lam a ding dong.
• 47:09
  Dodge again will continue to sell dead zombie cars for the next 100 years.
• 47:14
  So I'm not really worried about that.
• 47:15
  But I just think it's hilarious.
• 47:17
  And it goes back to what we were talking about in the showcase with all those.
• 47:20
  Cars still sitting on dealership lots.
• 47:22
  I bet you can pick up a brand new 2023 something that hasn't sold
• 47:27
  yet because it's been sitting there forever, but that's okay.
• 47:29
  I feel like they should go back and alter the financials for these years.
• 47:33
  For 2023, they sold 5, 295 more cars.
• 47:38
  They should retroactively go back and fix the financials.
• 47:42
  Look, our sales are great.
• 47:43
  Now our business cycle is five years still wouldn't help Nissan.
• 47:47
  So it doesn't matter.
• 47:50
  I got a Nissan.
• 47:50
  Yeah.
• 47:51
  So Chevy's in the news continuing on with domestics.
• 47:54
  They're recalling the Equinox.
• 47:57
  Because it's too quiet.
• 47:59
  Isn't that what we all have been pining for?
• 48:01
  Isn't that what we all wanted?
• 48:02
  Were these super quiet approved by the Swiss government Hoover Matic
• 48:07
  whisper EVs, like now we're recalling them because they're too quiet.
• 48:11
  Did it say in what direction it's too quiet?
• 48:13
  It says a specific alert sound for the driver is too quiet and the
• 48:18
  drivers aren't able to hear it.
• 48:19
  You know what really grinds me?
• 48:20
  This really pisses me off.
• 48:21
  Okay.
• 48:22
  The sound for the pedestrian alert is too quiet.
• 48:26
  You know what other thing alert, you know what else alerts you to pedestrians?
• 48:31
  Your fucking eyes or the pedestrian screaming.
• 48:37
  This is an alert for the driver to know that there's a pedestrian,
• 48:41
  not for the pedestrian to know that they're being stalked from behind,
• 48:45
  like a mountain line in the woods.
• 48:47
  I don't know.
• 48:48
  I just read the beginning of it.
• 48:49
  I think it's both because I read that the vehicle was too quiet.
• 48:52
  So it's like the silent killer.
• 48:54
  Okay.
• 48:54
  Yeah.
• 48:54
  So there's the pedestrians can't hear him.
• 48:56
  You know, I don't care.
• 48:58
  Pedestrians.
• 48:59
  Here's a public service announcement for you.
• 49:02
  Stop walking in the road.
• 49:03
  Take some personal accountability.
• 49:05
  If you see a car coming, don't step out into the road.
• 49:08
  I.
• 49:09
  Went to South American country, seeing how drivers treat pedestrians in another
• 49:14
  country is wild compared to what goes on here in the U S I mean, here we
• 49:18
  cater to the pedestrians so much stop signs everywhere, crosswalks everywhere.
• 49:23
  When I went to Bolivia after that, you're lucky if you don't get hit,
• 49:27
  you're standing on the sidewalk, the way those people drive.
• 49:30
  So take some personal accountability, have some situational awareness.
• 49:34
  Look around, head on a swivel and don't get hit by a fricking car.
• 49:38
  Why must you continue to curse in church?
• 49:41
  Why
• 49:43
  ? We are just gonna go down a rabbit hole with this, so
• 49:45
  let's go down a different one.
• 49:47
  Let's keep going.
• 49:47
  Let's keep, let's just, let's peel back this onion.
• 49:49
  Let's see where it leads.
• 49:50
  Is this could be good radio.
• 49:51
  We have some two wheeled news.
• 49:53
  Yes.
• 49:53
  So in the motorcycle world, the groundbreaking trailblazing.
• 49:59
  First female road motorcycle racer, motocross racer, and
• 50:03
  a bunch of other accolades.
• 50:05
  Recently inducted into Hall of Fame, Mary McGee passed away at the age of 87.
• 50:10
  It's a sad day.
• 50:11
  I want a VR6 as my tombstone, I'm just saying.
• 50:14
  You don't pay attention when you're walking down the road,
• 50:16
  it might be your tombstone.
• 50:18
  Might be right on top of you.
• 50:20
  What is a VR six tombstone?
• 50:21
  Is that like six tombstones?
• 50:24
  Narrow angle tombstones.
• 50:27
  And when you look at it from the front, it looks like a tombstone,
• 50:30
  but when you look at it from the side, it's six little tombstones.
• 50:36
  Oh, that's terrible.
• 50:37
  I need somebody with a 3d printer to mock this up and create a VR six inspired.
• 50:43
  Tombstone, it will be brilliant telling him speaking of brilliant.
• 50:46
  Let's talk about EVs and concepts.
• 50:48
  This breaks my heart because this is never coming.
• 50:51
  We've talked about variations of this car before, and Renault is busy
• 50:56
  dealing with the debacle that is Nissan, as we've already mentioned.
• 51:00
  And here they are talking about.
• 51:02
  The Renault five turbo three E 500 horsepower rear wheel
• 51:06
  drive hot hatch homage.
• 51:09
  Bless.
• 51:09
  I want one of these, but they said they are putting it into production,
• 51:13
  so they'll make it, but they're never going to sell it in the U S.
• 51:16
  25 years from now, they will.
• 51:17
  They'll never make this is just like the R.
• 51:21
  18 and all those other cool cars that they've been like teasing us with.
• 51:25
  They're not going to make this.
• 51:26
  They're not just start saving up your money now.
• 51:30
  And in 25 years, you'll be able to buy and import it.
• 51:33
  This is so cool.
• 51:35
  Renault, you hurt me so much.
• 51:37
  So did you guys see on discord?
• 51:39
  I posted that thing about the Twingo with the semi automatic transmission.
• 51:43
  I thought you were going to go somewhere else with the semi automatic.
• 51:45
  No, I did not see.
• 51:46
  It's the wildest thing.
• 51:48
  This reminded me of it because, you know, French cars are quirky and this, that,
• 51:51
  and I have an affinity for French cars.
• 51:53
  That's why this pains me so much, but the Twingo, I've never really
• 51:57
  paid that much attention to.
• 51:58
  I always thought they were super cute.
• 51:59
  They're very iconic, you know, with the happy little eyes, like
• 52:02
  it was a Dodge neon or whatever.
• 52:03
  And the fake me out little turbo induction grill on the
• 52:06
  hood that doesn't do anything.
• 52:08
  But apparently neither does the manual transmission
• 52:10
  because it only has two pedals.
• 52:12
  And it changes gears by basically granny shifting it for you.
• 52:17
  Almost like an SMG where it's changing gears and whatever.
• 52:20
  It's absolutely wild.
• 52:21
  It's over on our Discord and I'll post it in the show notes.
• 52:24
  How did we not know about this?
• 52:26
  This car is like 20 plus years old and it's just bizarre that somebody
• 52:30
  would create and take the time to build a semi automatic like this
• 52:35
  versus something with like, let's say paddles or whatever have you.
• 52:38
  So anyway, Brad, you've mentioned it a couple of times.
• 52:41
  Talking about waiting for cars to get older and importing those cars and
• 52:44
  you were talking about how your kids are going to drive something older.
• 52:47
  I've been thinking about that myself.
• 52:48
  One of our favorite internet influencers, I'm going to be nice about this,
• 52:54
  straightening up my tie as I say it.
• 52:55
  It was a real challenge listening to him talk in the video.
• 53:00
  I swear he's on something.
• 53:01
  It was really hard.
• 53:02
  It was bad because I'm so used to James Humphrey just screaming the entire time.
• 53:07
  Right?
• 53:07
  Up to speed!
• 53:08
  Alright!
• 53:08
  Alright!
• 53:10
  Alright!
• 53:10
  That's everything you need to know!
• 53:11
  I think you need to know!
• 53:12
  About the VR6.
• 53:13
  Uuugh!
• 53:14
  Like all his videos are the same!
• 53:16
  And they drive me nuts!
• 53:18
  Every once in a while there's a gem in the mix.
• 53:21
  But apparently, he's not a donut anymore, he's over at Speedco or whatever it is.
• 53:26
  And he's also lost a ton of weight, apparently he had a heart attack.
• 53:29
  Like there's a whole bunch of turning points in his life, I guess, that's gotten
• 53:32
  to him is sitting in what looks like a Barco lounger in his garage, lean back.
• 53:36
  Eating the microphone, doing sweaty balls.
• 53:39
  It was so awkward to watch him because I was waiting for him to
• 53:42
  start screaming like he always does.
• 53:44
  I agree with some of the stuff that's on here.
• 53:46
  Tell us about this list, Brad.
• 53:48
  Yeah.
• 53:48
  So basically the United States has a 25 year rule for vehicles that
• 53:53
  were not sold in the United States.
• 53:56
  After they've been in production for 25 years, or their production date
• 53:59
  was 25 years ago, you can import them without any sort of special testing
• 54:05
  or requirements or anything like that.
• 54:06
  They're basically allowed to import in the United States.
• 54:08
  2025 means that cars manufactured in the year 2000 and earlier are now
• 54:14
  eligible to be imported into the U.
• 54:16
  S.
• 54:17
  The year 2000.
• 54:20
  I've been trying to do that.
• 54:23
  Yeah, I love Conan O'Brien.
• 54:24
  Okay.
• 54:25
  Yeah for some of us There's a lot of really really cool stuff that has now
• 54:30
  become available for import and the video basically just highlights What
• 54:34
  he feels, you know are worth thinking about importing, but he is comparing
• 54:38
  them to the skyline r34 That's sort of like the pinnacle and then there's
• 54:42
  all these other cars That you could consider instead, and he makes a valid
• 54:46
  point because the R34, if you've got 250, 000 to spend on it, there's a lot
• 54:51
  of cars plural that you can buy for that kind of money in the same age range.
• 54:56
  So he lists the top 15 or 16 cars in that same demographic.
• 55:00
  So I, like you, I honed in on some really, really cool stuff, which actually I hadn't
• 55:05
  thought about as a gray market import.
• 55:08
  I'll start off by saying Renault Sport Clio V6.
• 55:12
  That's a de doy.
• 55:13
  Anybody that's ever played Forza knows all about this car and how amazing it is.
• 55:20
  And that's right at the top of my list.
• 55:22
  But I'm going to kind of do a round robin and just pick three cars, maybe not even
• 55:27
  on this list, but just three cars from the year 2000 that you would import.
• 55:32
  So pick a car year 2000.
• 55:35
  You're 2000 and go.
• 55:37
  Did they make a Fiat Panda in 2000?
• 55:40
  Of course they did.
• 55:40
  Of course they did.
• 55:41
  Are you sure?
• 55:42
  I think Tanya needs to import a Fiat Panda.
• 55:44
  Well, why would I import a 2000 Fiat Panda?
• 55:47
  I can import any of them.
• 55:50
  That's true.
• 55:50
  Get the OG for cheaper.
• 55:51
  All right.
• 55:51
  So who wants to go first?
• 55:52
  I want to stick to the list.
• 55:53
  Cause I, I really honed in on these.
• 55:55
  Cars.
• 55:55
  Cause then I have to really rack my brain about non U S availability
• 56:00
  cars from the year 2000.
• 56:01
  And that's how even wider catalog.
• 56:03
  And there's some stuff in there.
• 56:04
  People are gonna be like, what I feel like we need a, what should I buy
• 56:07
  episode just for this particular topic?
• 56:09
  What should I buy?
• 56:10
  Gray market is definitely coming.
• 56:12
  Not red light district.
• 56:13
  Great market.
• 56:14
  Yeah.
• 56:14
  So let's just stick to this list right off the bat.
• 56:17
  I mean, I think we all agree on the Clio Sport.
• 56:19
  We'll just say, okay, that's a given.
• 56:21
  But if I gotta pick three more off of this list Then you gotta pick two more.
• 56:24
  Well, we all agreed on the Clio Sport.
• 56:26
  Then that's everybody's one.
• 56:28
  No, no, that's your Hall Pass.
• 56:29
  We are all getting a Clio Sport and then three other cars.
• 56:32
  So what are the other three?
• 56:33
  I agree with these terms.
• 56:35
  Okay.
• 56:35
  All right.
• 56:35
  Working backwards, I really like the Vauxhall VX220.
• 56:39
  I think that's cool because that's a really cheap Elise and that's a good deal.
• 56:43
  That's good value for money.
• 56:44
  I would also go with the VR6 VW Caravelle, which is the successor to the Eurovan
• 56:50
  with a stick shift because I like vans and I like VR6s and boom, done.
• 56:54
  And then a three way tie for me between the gen one Audi S6.
• 56:58
  Three, which is a mark 4G TI with Quattro, the OTT Cupra, which is a
• 57:04
  Mark four golf with Quattro and the Luo GTI, which is basically a mark one GTI.
• 57:11
  Awesome sauce.
• 57:12
  So I have to pick from those three.
• 57:14
  I would probably buy the OTT because it's so different, but I know what
• 57:18
  I'm getting myself into with that car Sayat, the Caravel and the Voxel.
• 57:22
  VX two 20.
• 57:24
  Go.
• 57:24
  I don't want any of these.
• 57:25
  What?
• 57:26
  The last femur.
• 57:27
  You don't want a Lupo GTI?
• 57:29
  I'm getting these for free or am I paying for them?
• 57:32
  Oh, you're getting them for free.
• 57:33
  This is, this is no, because no, in seriousness, why would I get a
• 57:37
  Lupo when I can get a regular golf?
• 57:40
  I'm with Tanya on that.
• 57:41
  I don't really understand the appeal of the Lupo.
• 57:43
  Why wouldn't I go get a nice Mark I then?
• 57:46
  Because Mark Is are turds unless they've been taken care of.
• 57:49
  Because that Lupo is not a turd?
• 57:52
  You can't buy right now a Mark I GTI.
• 57:55
  But these are free!
• 57:56
  For 15 grand.
• 57:57
  Well, what can I import for free from Europe that falls in the 25 years?
• 58:01
  You can import a Mark I GTI if you can find one.
• 58:04
  If you can find one.
• 58:06
  We don't know that we can find any of these in good condition.
• 58:08
  That's true.
• 58:09
  That is a whole other aspect of this that we're not talking about.
• 58:12
  We're in fantasy land now.
• 58:14
  So we're in fantasy land.
• 58:15
  So in seriousness, could go get a Mint Mark I out of Europe.
• 58:19
  And I would rather have that, I think, than the Lupo.
• 58:22
  Yeah.
• 58:22
  I think the Lupo is a poor choice.
• 58:24
  You chose poorly as the, as the crusader said in the last crusade.
• 58:30
  Chose the Cooper.
• 58:31
  I didn't pick the Lupo.
• 58:32
  Oh, you did choose the Cooper.
• 58:33
  That's true.
• 58:33
  But the reason I would pick the Lupo is modern suspension, modern electronics.
• 58:37
  It's the same size as a mark one.
• 58:39
  And guess what?
• 58:40
  It makes double the freaking horsepower because when you drive a
• 58:42
  mark one GTI, you realize it makes 65 it's fun, but it's not fun.
• 58:47
  And I'm exaggerating.
• 58:48
  It makes like 85 horsepower, 90 or something like that.
• 58:51
  It's in that loophole makes a hundred.
• 58:52
  Okay.
• 58:53
  123, but still it's more modern, but anyway, leave it where it is.
• 58:58
  Probably weighs more.
• 58:58
  I don't know.
• 58:59
  I've driven a Seat before.
• 59:01
  I don't know that I was overly impressed by it.
• 59:03
  Fine.
• 59:03
  We're all getting a Clio, so that's fine.
• 59:06
  I think I'll be different.
• 59:07
  And I'll get this noble things.
• 59:09
  Oh, that's a good choice.
• 59:12
  That sounded fun.
• 59:13
  Twin turbo V six or something like that.
• 59:15
  Ford motor ish.
• 59:16
  So the transmission brakes, whatever.
• 59:19
  I think, I think, uh, Richard Hammond drove one in one of the challenges.
• 59:22
  He drove it or he wrecked it.
• 59:23
  He drove it and it broke a couple of times.
• 59:25
  So they, they gave him a second one.
• 59:26
  I don't Opals out and then Sylvia is out.
• 59:30
  If it was a regular Sylvia, cause that thing's hideous as a convertible.
• 59:34
  I want to try to be different because I would naturally in a
• 59:37
  split second looking at this list.
• 59:38
  It would be the S3, the Clio and honestly probably the Lupo even though I just
• 59:43
  went through that big whole thing.
• 59:46
  Stand your ground Tanya, stand your ground.
• 59:49
  But watch out RS4.
• 59:51
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 59:52
  I don't drive wagons.
• 59:56
  Yeah.
• 59:56
  Too practical, too practical, right?
• 59:58
  Yeah.
• 59:59
  You could put extra bags of mulch in a wagon.
• 1:00:01
  We wouldn't want that.
• 1:00:01
  You only need a finite amount of mulch.
• 1:00:03
  Exactly.
• 1:00:04
  All right, Brad.
• 1:00:05
  Well, you're going to buy every Toyota on this thing, right?
• 1:00:07
  Uh, no.
• 1:00:09
  Oh, okay.
• 1:00:10
  Parked next to my Renault Clio sport.
• 1:00:13
  I'm going to have.
• 1:00:14
  I'm going to have the RS4 Avant.
• 1:00:16
  That's a good choice.
• 1:00:17
  Solid.
• 1:00:17
  I'm going to have the TVR Tuscan Speed 6.
• 1:00:20
  I had a feeling.
• 1:00:21
  I've loved those cars ever since Gran Turismo.
• 1:00:25
  Seeing one in the movie Swordfish.
• 1:00:27
  They're so interesting looking.
• 1:00:29
  And just, the fact that they're so Insane, you know, the engineering
• 1:00:33
  and how they're put together.
• 1:00:34
  And they're just stupid cars and I'm all for stupid cars.
• 1:00:39
  And then I got to go with the Holden Maloo.
• 1:00:43
  You got to get your redneck on.
• 1:00:45
  That's a crook.
• 1:00:46
  Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  And then, and then Tanya and I can have a competition about
• 1:00:49
  who could haul more mulch.
• 1:00:51
  You can definitely haul it.
• 1:00:53
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:54
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:00:56
  Yeah.
• 1:00:56
  The Maloo is a good choice.
• 1:00:58
  I'm glad he went to Australia too, because there is some cool
• 1:01:00
  stuff in that direction as well.
• 1:01:02
  Back in 2000, 2001, 2002, when all like I was a bank teller, so all I
• 1:01:06
  did was like look at cars online.
• 1:01:08
  I was on the Holden website.
• 1:01:11
  All the time trying to figure out how the hell do I get this car into the U.
• 1:01:15
  S.
• 1:01:15
  Turns out I just had to wait 25 years, but that would definitely be on my list.
• 1:01:19
  Well, you know, you mentioned Gran Turismo and we're talking stuff from 20 years ago.
• 1:01:23
  How about this 80 year old grandma who bought her RX 7 25 years ago
• 1:01:28
  because she watched Initial D.
• 1:01:30
  So 55.
• 1:01:32
  Yeah.
• 1:01:33
  You know, more power to her.
• 1:01:34
  I mean.
• 1:01:35
  That's awesome.
• 1:01:35
  Apparently she's done with it and she donated the car now.
• 1:01:38
  Yeah.
• 1:01:38
  She gave up her license.
• 1:01:40
  I guess she's 80 years old.
• 1:01:41
  She's 80 years old, so she doesn't need to drive it anymore.
• 1:01:43
  But can you imagine?
• 1:01:44
  I mean, that's pretty cool.
• 1:01:45
  I want her to be my grandma.
• 1:01:47
  Good for her.
• 1:01:47
  My grandmother gave up her Honda Civic, which was not much to write home about.
• 1:01:51
  This is definitely a much cooler car.
• 1:01:53
  This is awesome.
• 1:01:53
  This is a nice FD.
• 1:01:54
  This is really, really nice.
• 1:01:56
  I actually feel really bad that she had to give up her license.
• 1:01:59
  This is foreshadowing.
• 1:02:00
  It's going to happen to all of us at some point.
• 1:02:02
  Thousand percent.
• 1:02:03
  We're going to have to hand over the keys to our prize, whatever it is
• 1:02:07
  we're driving at the time, and it's going to be a really, really sad day.
• 1:02:10
  The next grandma we found, it's not a sad day for her yet.
• 1:02:14
  Do you see this?
• 1:02:15
  She won a burnout contest with her 57 big block Cadillac.
• 1:02:19
  This thing was making the rounds on social media.
• 1:02:21
  It was hilarious.
• 1:02:22
  Can you imagine your grandma rolls up to the car show and then just starts
• 1:02:26
  doing wild burnouts in her Cadillac?
• 1:02:29
  True story.
• 1:02:30
  My grandmother used to street race, not really street race, but whenever
• 1:02:35
  somebody pulled up next to her at a light, when she was in her Chrysler
• 1:02:40
  Cordova with that big old V8, I mean, the car weighed more than my house
• 1:02:43
  does, but the big old V8 and everything.
• 1:02:46
  And she would rev it up and leave from the light peeling tires and stuff.
• 1:02:50
  She got thumbs up all the time from people and she would do that.
• 1:02:53
  So grandmas get crazy out there.
• 1:02:55
  I love it.
• 1:02:56
  I think we need a new segment.
• 1:02:57
  We need to drop Florida man, and we need to pick up crazy grandmas.
• 1:03:03
  2025 new year, new us.
• 1:03:05
  All right.
• 1:03:05
  So we're in the middle of lost and found, and, you know, we like to find
• 1:03:08
  little nuggets of things that we didn't know before, because part of lost and
• 1:03:12
  found is really about the history of motorsport and the automotive world.
• 1:03:15
  And during the break, if you go back to our catalog, the
• 1:03:19
  Senna Netflix series came out.
• 1:03:21
  We did a crossover with William Ross from the Ferrari marketplace
• 1:03:24
  podcast and professor John Summers from the motor news story.
• 1:03:27
  And we got together and we reviewed the Senna film.
• 1:03:30
  Because of that, people were trying to jump on the bandwagon, you know, putting
• 1:03:33
  out articles and all this kind of stuff.
• 1:03:34
  You know, we did our part to supply the social media gods and the Googles
• 1:03:38
  with something else different to read.
• 1:03:40
  But, you know, it was our take on the movie.
• 1:03:42
  I got a thing in the Porsche Club newsletter that said, Did you
• 1:03:45
  know that Senna raced a Porsche?
• 1:03:48
  And I was like, What?
• 1:03:49
  These are like lesser known tales of Ayrton Senna, I guess, because
• 1:03:52
  I've never heard this before, ever.
• 1:03:55
  You know, you always think Honda, McLaren, Senna, those three words, that's it.
• 1:04:00
  But apparently, he raced a 956.
• 1:04:03
  Well, there was an interesting backstory to that, like The reason
• 1:04:06
  why he didn't continue doing it.
• 1:04:07
  I don't remember what it was now because I read the article so long ago.
• 1:04:10
  It was like Jost Racing, who is still around today, running at Le Mans,
• 1:04:15
  Rolex and all those kinds of things.
• 1:04:17
  He paid Senna to drive the 956 at the Nürburgring.
• 1:04:21
  It's like, OK, great.
• 1:04:23
  And then, you know, I asked Professor Summers Senna is really his thing.
• 1:04:27
  And so his only comment was it would be interesting to compare his times
• 1:04:31
  with Derek Bell's and Stefan Beloff's.
• 1:04:33
  Since they were the Rothmans works drivers and just see how he did.
• 1:04:37
  But from the very little write up that was here from PCA, it seemed
• 1:04:41
  like Senna was king of Formula One, but he wasn't crushing it in GTP.
• 1:04:45
  They said he finished seventh and that he crushed his teammates times
• 1:04:50
  considering this is His first time he gets into a car and he beats the people
• 1:04:54
  that drive it on a regular basis.
• 1:04:55
  Yeah, that is saying something and then practice he was seventh and
• 1:05:00
  then qualified seventh and then the car broke down in the race.
• 1:05:03
  So who knows what he actually would have accomplished.
• 1:05:05
  I've always argued that more of the Formula One drivers should do
• 1:05:09
  other disciplines of racing and so I mean, you see that where Senna
• 1:05:12
  did the celebrity race with the DTM cars and so the Mercedes and stuff.
• 1:05:16
  I mean, that's cool.
• 1:05:17
  So basically he didn't continue because his aspirations were Formula One.
• 1:05:21
  Right.
• 1:05:21
  Exactly.
• 1:05:22
  Yeah.
• 1:05:22
  He didn't want to cross discipline.
• 1:05:24
  Oh, well, that was fun.
• 1:05:25
  What's next?
• 1:05:26
  Yeah.
• 1:05:29
  So what did you think?
• 1:05:30
  First of all, what was that guy?
• 1:05:32
  Nick?
• 1:05:32
  Nick Smith.
• 1:05:33
  Yeah.
• 1:05:34
  I'm so glad they got rid of him.
• 1:05:35
  I don't think his vision and what they were trying to do with finding these
• 1:05:39
  high end people that like spiderwebs.
• 1:05:42
  Apparently I didn't think it was going to work out.
• 1:05:45
  So I'm glad they kind of went back to their roots a little bit and
• 1:05:49
  kind of dropped that whole arc.
• 1:05:52
  Cause I thought that was really dumb.
• 1:05:53
  All we heard about was them complaining.
• 1:05:56
  I'm a creative and I want someone to give me millions of dollars to
• 1:06:00
  build a car, but I want to be able to do it the way I want to do it.
• 1:06:02
  And I want them to be hands off.
• 1:06:04
  Who's going to do that?
• 1:06:05
  Who in their right mind is going to do that?
• 1:06:08
  Nobody.
• 1:06:09
  Nobody.
• 1:06:09
  But I'm glad they went back in time and started doing things the way they used to.
• 1:06:13
  I actually thought a couple of the cars that they did were pretty cool.
• 1:06:17
  I'm not usually a fan of the Fords, but the casino car with
• 1:06:21
  all the little touches, the casino car was really, really cool.
• 1:06:24
  I love the little thing between Mark and Tony where they've got this like
• 1:06:28
  steel, like this polished steering wheel and Mark's like, you're
• 1:06:33
  gonna have to put a cover on that.
• 1:06:34
  It's a convertible.
• 1:06:35
  Your hands are gonna be burning if you try to drive this thing.
• 1:06:39
  Yeah.
• 1:06:39
  The casino car was pretty much awesome.
• 1:06:42
  The kid coming in trying to get his McLaren worked on and daddy's
• 1:06:45
  like, daddy Warbucks came in.
• 1:06:47
  He was like, not going to happen.
• 1:06:48
  They're going to make a wide body McLaren.
• 1:06:50
  It would have been dumb.
• 1:06:51
  It would have looked stupid.
• 1:06:52
  I'm glad daddy Warbucks said no.
• 1:06:53
  The DeLorean, I kind of liked it.
• 1:06:56
  Cause I liked the idea of modifying a DeLorean.
• 1:06:59
  I didn't like the execution.
• 1:07:01
  I thought they didn't really do much to it.
• 1:07:03
  Granted the owner probably was like, you cannot destroy this car.
• 1:07:07
  So I can understand they probably had limitations, but the things that
• 1:07:10
  they did do, I thought were dumb.
• 1:07:12
  I'm not even going to give the hot air balloon any airtime.
• 1:07:16
  You know, I thought the demolition derby car was stupid.
• 1:07:20
  I liked the idea of the Hummer.
• 1:07:24
  Although I would have liked to have seen them forgo the whole
• 1:07:27
  eco diesel thing or biodiesel.
• 1:07:29
  I mean, go with like a full electric.
• 1:07:32
  I feel like an electric Hummer would have been a bigger statement, but
• 1:07:35
  maybe they had budget restraints and they couldn't really do that.
• 1:07:38
  I thought that would have been a really cool idea versus the biodiesel.
• 1:07:42
  Uh, I do love the fact that it almost caught fire.
• 1:07:44
  That was pretty cool.
• 1:07:45
  The Ferrari at the end.
• 1:07:47
  The 308 William and I did a whole episode on that.
• 1:07:52
  I don't like their touches.
• 1:07:53
  I still want to get Tony cave man, Constance.
• 1:07:56
  Any of them can come on the show.
• 1:07:57
  I don't care who it is.
• 1:07:58
  Even Mark, we're good with all of you.
• 1:07:59
  Come on.
• 1:08:00
  We want to interview you.
• 1:08:01
  Have you reached out to him?
• 1:08:02
  I'd love to talk to Tony.
• 1:08:03
  I think Tony is awesome.
• 1:08:04
  I've reached out to Tony actually, but I got no response.
• 1:08:07
  Yeah.
• 1:08:07
  Tony's pretty awesome.
• 1:08:08
  I mean, I like them all, but I feel like Tony would, he'd be the
• 1:08:11
  most interesting and knowledgeable.
• 1:08:13
  I actually really liked the 308.
• 1:08:15
  There were things about it that I didn't like, but for the most part,
• 1:08:17
  I actually really liked that car.
• 1:08:18
  Well, the one thing that William picked up on, which I thought I
• 1:08:21
  was just being overly Critical?
• 1:08:23
  Sensitive, was that the vinyl was crooked.
• 1:08:26
  In some of the head on shots, you could tell that the striping wasn't straight.
• 1:08:30
  And so he pointed it out and I was like, Okay, so it's not just me.
• 1:08:33
  I thought I was being just ridiculously hypersensitive.
• 1:08:36
  And then I was like, Okay, you notice it, that means other people notice it too.
• 1:08:39
  So that stuff like that just bugged me.
• 1:08:41
  To no end, I think you and I have had discussions about that in
• 1:08:46
  their past seasons where like their attention to detail it's lacking.
• 1:08:50
  I don't think they've put out very good products overall would make sense.
• 1:08:54
  Why the high end car market doesn't want to deal with them because.
• 1:08:58
  It seems like a lot of the stuff they put out is junk.
• 1:09:00
  I'm sorry.
• 1:09:01
  It's hot wheels.
• 1:09:02
  Yeah.
• 1:09:02
  And hot wheels aren't made to be real cars.
• 1:09:05
  I did really enjoy that car that they made for the museum.
• 1:09:08
  That read the Exner and then the Futura was fantastic.
• 1:09:12
  That thing was gorgeous, but that's all season one.
• 1:09:15
  Season two stuff where they were really taking their time.
• 1:09:18
  Yeah.
• 1:09:18
  And then they kind of lost their way and did some weird stuff.
• 1:09:21
  That car that they quote unquote design themselves of where I thought that
• 1:09:25
  was an abomination to the automotive industry for the most part, I liked
• 1:09:29
  most of what they did this season.
• 1:09:30
  Well, good.
• 1:09:31
  And I'm looking forward to the next season.
• 1:09:32
  I will continue watching it and I will continue reviewing
• 1:09:35
  it because it is entertaining.
• 1:09:36
  And unfortunately, my new favorite Rustoration show, Tex Mex Motors, because
• 1:09:41
  Rabbit died unexpectedly, they had to change the whole format of the show.
• 1:09:46
  It's like a whole thing and they didn't go after the Ferrari and half
• 1:09:49
  of the people aren't there anymore.
• 1:09:51
  And I got through maybe the first episode.
• 1:09:53
  I was like, Nope, not watching this anymore.
• 1:09:54
  I'm done.
• 1:09:55
  Did you ever watch fast and loud?
• 1:09:57
  No, but everybody tells me I should.
• 1:09:59
  It was good and fun, but I mean, it follows the same formula.
• 1:10:02
  Oh no, we need to get a car done in two weeks and we got to redo the entire
• 1:10:06
  thing and fab the whole car, whatever.
• 1:10:07
  It's the same formula over and over again, but they did do a salvage
• 1:10:11
  Ferrari F40 and they brought it back to life and had it recertified by
• 1:10:15
  Ferrari to get a clean title for it.
• 1:10:18
  So you might want to go back and watch that.
• 1:10:19
  And the guy that was the fabricator on that show, Aaron, he was
• 1:10:23
  really, really good fabricator.
• 1:10:25
  If you're looking for something else, go back and watch fast and loud to
• 1:10:28
  watch what they did with the F40.
• 1:10:29
  It actually looks straight up Batmobile.
• 1:10:31
  Nice.
• 1:10:31
  Well, just when you thought we couldn't talk about them enough.
• 1:10:34
  GM.
• 1:10:35
  No, we're obviously talking about Mercedes and BMW.
• 1:10:38
  So is Tesla a better company than GM?
• 1:10:41
  Is that how it goes?
• 1:10:43
  We would be remiss if we didn't circle back and talk about
• 1:10:47
  he who shall not be named.
• 1:10:52
  Voldemort.
• 1:10:53
  They kind of look alike.
• 1:10:54
  His new day.
• 1:10:55
  He's the doge now.
• 1:10:56
  See Brad doge coin.
• 1:10:58
  He's the head doge.
• 1:10:59
  Who let the doge out?
• 1:11:01
  All right.
• 1:11:01
  So what's going on in the world of the doge?
• 1:11:03
  Some unexciting stuff, like recalls for TPMS sensors.
• 1:11:07
  Who gives a shit?
• 1:11:08
  And it's not even the sensor itself, it's actually the warning light in the dash.
• 1:11:12
  The mill is non persistent, and that's what the recall is for.
• 1:11:15
  So like, it'll flash on, and then you like, you turn the car off, and turn
• 1:11:19
  the car back on, and then magically your air pressures back, which is a problem
• 1:11:23
  because most there's going to be people are going to be like, Oh, it fixed itself.
• 1:11:26
  And then keep going on a flat tire.
• 1:11:28
  Anyway, it's an over the air software update, bubbing fixed.
• 1:11:32
  And next, it should be really easy for Tesla to do this update because
• 1:11:36
  none of these cars have been sold.
• 1:11:37
  So they just go around where the lot is and just do the update.
• 1:11:40
  If it's over the air, it's even easier.
• 1:11:42
  And this next one has to do with his new best friend, right?
• 1:11:45
  Cause he's the doge.
• 1:11:46
  So now that inauguration day is over.
• 1:11:48
  The new administration reportedly wants to end NHTSA requirement for
• 1:11:54
  car crashes involving automated systems that have to self report.
• 1:11:58
  This is crap.
• 1:11:59
  That's your new soapbox, Tanya.
• 1:12:01
  I already calmed myself down because I already went
• 1:12:08
  and got angry.
• 1:12:10
  Like, this is crap.
• 1:12:11
  Just.
• 1:12:12
  Really?
• 1:12:13
  Really?
• 1:12:14
  Like, what's the justification that something that's autonomous
• 1:12:17
  suddenly doesn't need any crash test safeties test or has to pass them?
• 1:12:21
  Like, where is the logic link here?
• 1:12:23
  There is none.
• 1:12:24
  The car still needs to be safe, whether it's driving itself
• 1:12:27
  or a person's driving it.
• 1:12:29
  Autonomy has nothing to do with the safety of the vehicle.
• 1:12:31
  The implication is, yeah.
• 1:12:33
  Autonomous vehicle is inherently safer because it's not going to make
• 1:12:36
  mistakes, but I think by virtue of how many get confused by flashing
• 1:12:40
  lights and drive into parked vehicles.
• 1:12:42
  We know this isn't the case.
• 1:12:44
  And the other problem that this tangents me on and gets me even angrier is the
• 1:12:48
  freaking cyber truck that apparently eluded all crash test safety standards
• 1:12:52
  of any kind in its design because there was the other article that came out
• 1:12:57
  With the convoy of Tesla Cybertrucks that were going wherever the hell
• 1:13:01
  they were going, 75 miles an hour down the road, one of them hits a deer.
• 1:13:04
  And it was unclear whether the control was of the driver or if
• 1:13:08
  it was in FSD, who gives a shit.
• 1:13:10
  Nonetheless, there's a lot of hit deer I see on the road for the roads I travel.
• 1:13:16
  I have never seen a deer that's sliced in half.
• 1:13:21
  After being hit by a car, but that's what happens when a cybertruck at 75
• 1:13:25
  miles an hour hits a deer in the road.
• 1:13:27
  It slices it in half because, oh, I wonder why.
• 1:13:29
  Could it have anything to do with the polygon sharp edges of this vehicle?
• 1:13:34
  And then you go, there was no test because if you would have hit
• 1:13:37
  a crash test on me, I'm sure it would have told you this is bad.
• 1:13:40
  So what happens when you hit a pedestrian?
• 1:13:41
  God forbid if you hit a pedestrian at 75 miles an hour, I don't
• 1:13:45
  care what you're in there.
• 1:13:46
  Most likely dead, but even at a lower speed, yes, people can die getting hit by
• 1:13:51
  regular rounded car, even at lower speed, but most people aren't getting decapitated
• 1:13:57
  or body split in half when they're hit.
• 1:14:01
  You're definitely not surviving that.
• 1:14:03
  Wasn't that the whole point of the cab forward design and you had to
• 1:14:06
  have the headlights at a certain point so that if you did hit a pedestrian,
• 1:14:09
  they would roll over the car.
• 1:14:11
  Yeah, that's why they all look so swoopy and bubbly and all this shit is like most
• 1:14:16
  of the design now is driven a lot because of pedestrian safety and exactly that.
• 1:14:21
  So it's like you hit them and they'll scoop up over you or whatever.
• 1:14:24
  And you don't just knock them out on the knees.
• 1:14:26
  They'll scoop up over you in the car behind you.
• 1:14:29
  I think we put the responsibility back on the pedestrian and if you
• 1:14:38
  don't want to die, don't get hit.
• 1:14:40
  There's that too.
• 1:14:41
  But to me, getting hit by a cyber truck is equivalent to
• 1:14:45
  getting hit by a bullet train.
• 1:14:46
  You're not bouncing off of it.
• 1:14:47
  It's going to completely eviscerate you.
• 1:14:49
  Like that's the end of the story.
• 1:14:51
  Should we put cow catchers on the front of cyber trucks?
• 1:14:53
  Oh my God.
• 1:14:54
  Can you imagine?
• 1:14:56
  The whole front end would break.
• 1:14:58
  Speaking of whole.
• 1:14:59
  Oh boy, Brad, you brought us a good one.
• 1:15:03
  Our favorite internet idiot whistling diesel back again with
• 1:15:07
  another cyber truck durability test.
• 1:15:09
  Oh, did you all watch it?
• 1:15:12
  I did.
• 1:15:13
  Yes, I was hard to watch.
• 1:15:15
  So that video tone and everything was more what I was expecting.
• 1:15:21
  Never watched him all the way through and that first one was
• 1:15:24
  actually like fairly informative.
• 1:15:26
  Yeah.
• 1:15:26
  He was like sober.
• 1:15:28
  Maybe I don't know.
• 1:15:30
  He wasn't hopped up on those caffeine.
• 1:15:32
  Whatever's that he's pushing.
• 1:15:34
  God damn.
• 1:15:34
  He was hopped up on those.
• 1:15:35
  LFGO.
• 1:15:36
  Those it's like basically like chewing tobacco, but it's
• 1:15:39
  full of caffeine or some shit.
• 1:15:41
  Chewing caffeine, I guess.
• 1:15:42
  I don't know what it was.
• 1:15:43
  It wasn't tobacco.
• 1:15:44
  LFGO stands for let's fucking go.
• 1:15:46
  It looked like a skull pouch that you stuck in your lip.
• 1:15:48
  You know, spitting.
• 1:15:49
  Oh my God, that must taste nasty.
• 1:15:51
  Ah, it's awful.
• 1:15:53
  It started off good.
• 1:15:54
  I was like, oh, this is going to be interesting.
• 1:15:55
  We're doing the tug of war.
• 1:15:57
  It's bullshit, but still we're doing it.
• 1:15:58
  And then after that, it's like went off the rails.
• 1:16:01
  It was hilarious.
• 1:16:03
  I was laughing the whole time.
• 1:16:05
  I said, this is so good.
• 1:16:06
  I felt bad for their building because they kept just destroying the building.
• 1:16:10
  That was kind of funny when he's like, oh, the car will just come to me.
• 1:16:14
  That was my favorite part.
• 1:16:17
  He's standing there like, calling the Batmobile and it drives in
• 1:16:21
  by itself through the building.
• 1:16:23
  Not through the opening.
• 1:16:24
  Through the building.
• 1:16:26
  Holy shit.
• 1:16:27
  Like, wow.
• 1:16:29
  That was awesome.
• 1:16:30
  That was hilarious.
• 1:16:32
  The stuff that they put those trucks through yet again, and he
• 1:16:36
  was like, look, we're doing this because, you know, real truck
• 1:16:39
  people, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:16:40
  They broke the driveshaft in the Ford again.
• 1:16:43
  Again.
• 1:16:45
  Obviously that's the weak link on the F 150, but what was interesting about that
• 1:16:48
  is this time they broke the driveshaft.
• 1:16:51
  And they just sent it.
• 1:16:52
  They kept going.
• 1:16:53
  So it was running off the front two wheels.
• 1:16:54
  They must have locked the diff and then just said to hell with it and go.
• 1:16:58
  I've witnessed somebody do that out on the trails.
• 1:17:00
  Actually, a former guest, Bobby Parks.
• 1:17:03
  We were out off roading on the trails and his Cherokee, he
• 1:17:06
  broke the rear axles and he used.
• 1:17:09
  Basically front wheel drive mode, the four wheel drive to claw his way out.
• 1:17:13
  So I've seen that done before.
• 1:17:14
  It works.
• 1:17:15
  I don't think the cyber truck can do that.
• 1:17:16
  Front wheel drive mode on a cyber truck.
• 1:17:18
  Don't work too good.
• 1:17:18
  That was pathetic.
• 1:17:20
  And then you heard this big old bang.
• 1:17:22
  He destroyed the axle or whatever.
• 1:17:24
  And I was like, Oh my God, what a mess.
• 1:17:26
  When did they rip off the back tailgate came off or whatever that truck was just.
• 1:17:30
  Destroyed by the time it was done.
• 1:17:32
  Yeah.
• 1:17:32
  Something else structurally.
• 1:17:34
  I was surprised when they started the video, this is part two.
• 1:17:37
  So it was the same truck from the first video.
• 1:17:39
  Yes.
• 1:17:39
  They dropped off at the Tesla thing.
• 1:17:41
  And then the bill was only like 15, 000.
• 1:17:44
  I'm like BS.
• 1:17:45
  Yeah.
• 1:17:45
  But then he spent another 20 on top of that.
• 1:17:48
  But also it wasn't completely fixed, even for 15 grand.
• 1:17:52
  Like it was just patched.
• 1:17:53
  Yeah.
• 1:17:53
  He dropped it off and said, make it run again, but they didn't fix anything else.
• 1:17:58
  They just made it.
• 1:17:58
  So it ran again without any lays and they put a windshield in it and that was it.
• 1:18:02
  But he did, the windows were still broken and still had holes in it.
• 1:18:05
  But at the end of the day, the Ford.
• 1:18:08
  Soldiers on in comparison to the Cybertruck because he destroyed the
• 1:18:11
  Cybertruck yet again I will say that other thing where he was doing the doughnuts
• 1:18:15
  and then the rear suspension broke and he's going down and the wheels like
• 1:18:22
  What a piece of junk god bless you if you have one enjoy it
• 1:18:26
  doesn't sound like they're gonna be making them too much longer But
• 1:18:29
  he really put it through its paces.
• 1:18:31
  And I guess the only thing I thought was interesting, he didn't get his diff
• 1:18:35
  lockers because that was a software thing that he had to pay extra for,
• 1:18:39
  but he got that Baja mode and I thought that was really cool where it basically
• 1:18:45
  just let the thing run full tilt.
• 1:18:48
  Without any nannies.
• 1:18:49
  And then he was more capable at that point than the F 150 was in some respects, but
• 1:18:56
  it was basically falling apart around him.
• 1:18:58
  Anyway, it was good fun.
• 1:18:59
  I enjoyed it.
• 1:19:00
  I laughed.
• 1:19:00
  Before we get off the cyber truck, there was another video I saw not on YouTube.
• 1:19:04
  It was on Instagram.
• 1:19:05
  It was a cyber truck and a Hummer H2.
• 1:19:09
  They're at a hill climb competition and the cyber truck tries to go
• 1:19:13
  up the hill climb, makes it about two thirds of the way, maybe three
• 1:19:16
  quarters of the way fails has to back down, you know, just can't do it.
• 1:19:20
  The Hummer pulls up, turns around and backs.
• 1:19:24
  All the way up the hill to the very top, right in front of the cyber truck.
• 1:19:28
  And then just drives right back down.
• 1:19:30
  This isn't an H one.
• 1:19:31
  It's a regular H two with the six leader.
• 1:19:33
  Basically it's just loaded Chevy Tahoe.
• 1:19:35
  I just annihilated the cyber truck in this competition.
• 1:19:38
  And I thought that was hilarious.
• 1:19:39
  Yeah, that was a good one.
• 1:19:40
  I saw that on social media.
• 1:19:42
  I was like, damn, look at that old Hummer doing it.
• 1:19:45
  Thing, you know?
• 1:19:45
  Yeah.
• 1:19:46
  Really something could be said about mechanical All-wheel drive.
• 1:19:49
  Yep.
• 1:19:49
  Solid axles.
• 1:19:50
  Well, it's unfortunate, lower, expect
• 1:19:59
  worse than destroying a cyber truck.
• 1:20:01
  'cause I don't think we really feel bad about that because we
• 1:20:04
  don't like 'em to begin with.
• 1:20:05
  And I thought it was hilarious earlier when I was prepping for this.
• 1:20:08
  My daughter walks in and she goes that.
• 1:20:09
  Why is that on your screen?
• 1:20:11
  And I said, what are you talking about?
• 1:20:11
  She goes, that is the ugliest car I've ever seen.
• 1:20:14
  And so I started laughing.
• 1:20:16
  Oh boy.
• 1:20:17
  Kids already have an opinion.
• 1:20:18
  They don't care about cars, but they know the cyber truck is ugly.
• 1:20:21
  I'm not feeding this to them.
• 1:20:22
  This is out of the mouths of babes.
• 1:20:24
  All right.
• 1:20:25
  But what is unfortunate?
• 1:20:26
  We've had not one, but two F40s succumb to carnage over the winter break.
• 1:20:33
  One of the coolest hypercars ever.
• 1:20:35
  Don't let interns drive the car.
• 1:20:38
  Who's making these decisions?
• 1:20:40
  Who says I don't know.
• 1:20:41
  Let Johnny on the spot take out a five million dollar F40, Lando
• 1:20:47
  Norris's Ferrari F40, and drive it from here to there on a rainy day.
• 1:20:51
  Who thought that was a good idea?
• 1:20:52
  The one that was like the highest mileage F40 in existence.
• 1:20:56
  Who was driving that?
• 1:20:57
  What the circumstance was?
• 1:20:58
  I have no idea.
• 1:20:59
  A service technician was behind the wheel.
• 1:21:01
  There you go.
• 1:21:02
  Highest mileage F40 in existence means it has like 10, 000 miles on it.
• 1:21:06
  Apparently it had 44, 000 miles.
• 1:21:08
  That's still nothing.
• 1:21:09
  I mean, come on.
• 1:21:10
  Yeah, but the thing is freaking.
• 1:21:12
  Totaled.
• 1:21:13
  I mean, he took a pull down.
• 1:21:14
  Yeah, that was bad.
• 1:21:15
  And if you watch the video, and we posted a link to it in the show notes, where
• 1:21:19
  it's from the dash cam of the car that's following him, the road is wet, and then
• 1:21:24
  suddenly he just decides to punch it.
• 1:21:26
  They're doing like 30 miles an hour, so he's like in first or second gear,
• 1:21:28
  and the car just gets away from him.
• 1:21:30
  That's all she wrote, folks, and you're done.
• 1:21:32
  It's incredible the flip that happened, though.
• 1:21:35
  Well, the car doesn't weigh anything.
• 1:21:36
  I mean, someone could turn it into a meme where like, there's a cat.
• 1:21:39
  standing next to the side of the road and the cat just did that, the thing.
• 1:21:42
  And then suddenly it was almost like the Mercedes that
• 1:21:45
  would catch air and flip over.
• 1:21:47
  It was almost like that happened.
• 1:21:49
  It was wild to watch the wreck.
• 1:21:50
  Cause when you see it sideways on the side of the road, I was thinking, Oh, there
• 1:21:53
  must've been like a ditch and it went down and it like flipped it sideways into the
• 1:21:57
  pole and then like all this catapulting it did and it's like, no, it's flat from
• 1:22:01
  the pavement to the grass other than whatever bump to go on the dirt grass.
• 1:22:06
  Well, it doesn't look like there's a curb, so it probably slid into the
• 1:22:09
  curb and popped up over like that.
• 1:22:10
  It knocked the telephone pole down.
• 1:22:13
  I don't know, the picture where it's on its side with no body
• 1:22:15
  panels on it anymore, it doesn't look like there's any curb.
• 1:22:18
  When I'm looking at the undercarriage right here, there's a curb right there,
• 1:22:20
  it looks to be a couple inches tall.
• 1:22:22
  There is a curb there, he's right.
• 1:22:23
  Oh, this angle of the photo looks different.
• 1:22:25
  So then that's what did it.
• 1:22:26
  It popped the car up.
• 1:22:27
  It shot up the curve and flipped it up.
• 1:22:29
  That's fixable.
• 1:22:30
  I mean, look at that.
• 1:22:31
  The chassis, it's all still there.
• 1:22:32
  That'll buff.
• 1:22:34
  But Lando's on the other hand, that wreck was like, sort of similar.
• 1:22:40
  Very similar.
• 1:22:40
  Similar, but he had a little bit more room before he hit.
• 1:22:44
  So he came around and it basically clipped the rear quarter panel.
• 1:22:47
  So that they're going to fix.
• 1:22:48
  I mean, granted that whole car is carbon Kevlar.
• 1:22:51
  So it's not like, Oh, we're just going to run out and get an F 40
• 1:22:54
  clamshell and put it on there.
• 1:22:55
  There weren't that many of those cars to begin with like 1500 of them or something.
• 1:22:58
  I mean, William will correct me.
• 1:22:59
  He knows the exact numbers, but it's not a lot.
• 1:23:02
  1300 that.
• 1:23:04
  So the point is.
• 1:23:05
  Lando's will get fixed, but again, why is the intern from the service
• 1:23:09
  shop driving Lando Norris F40?
• 1:23:11
  That, to me, doesn't make sense.
• 1:23:13
  Nobody knows who was driving Lando Norris F40 other than it wasn't Lando.
• 1:23:17
  Maybe it was a friend or something.
• 1:23:19
  Which, guess they're not friends anymore.
• 1:23:21
  It was George Russell.
• 1:23:25
  You know, all of this culminates into Rich People Things, because you have
• 1:23:30
  friends with F40s and they let you drive them, and blah, blah, blah, and
• 1:23:33
  you're getting your F40 serviced, and you're gonna get your F40 fixed, because
• 1:23:37
  that's what you do when you're rich.
• 1:23:38
  So, Rich People Things, sponsored by GarageStyle Magazine, because, after
• 1:23:41
  all, what doesn't belong in your garage?
• 1:23:43
  I found that now that Hamilton is over at Ferrari and we'll talk about that
• 1:23:48
  more, especially the photos that came out, him looking like Shumi and stuff,
• 1:23:51
  that he gave some really profound investment advice over the winter break.
• 1:23:55
  He says, Hypercars are boring.
• 1:23:57
  You should buy a classic car.
• 1:23:58
  And art.
• 1:23:59
  Yeah.
• 1:23:59
  Okay.
• 1:24:00
  Thanks, rich guy.
• 1:24:01
  I mean What do you say to that?
• 1:24:03
  The ocean has water in it and it's wet.
• 1:24:06
  Moisture is the essence of water.
• 1:24:08
  I mean, cool, right?
• 1:24:11
  His version of it.
• 1:24:12
  So we all can buy a classic car, right?
• 1:24:14
  Dan's got a mountain of them.
• 1:24:17
  Now, now hold on, right?
• 1:24:21
  There's a difference between a classic car and whatever's going on at the mountain.
• 1:24:27
  There's a.
• 1:24:28
  Big difference.
• 1:24:29
  Do you call the cars at a junkyard classics?
• 1:24:31
  Well, it depends on the level of classic because of a certain age cars of a
• 1:24:38
  certain age, you can start calling it a classic and even normal people.
• 1:24:43
  Can buy a classic car.
• 1:24:44
  You could have a sixties Mustang.
• 1:24:46
  That would be considered a classic.
• 1:24:48
  Yeah.
• 1:24:48
  Yeah, for sure.
• 1:24:49
  A sixties Mustang.
• 1:24:50
  Yes.
• 1:24:50
  Ford Taurus.
• 1:24:52
  Nobody wants two mercury sables.
• 1:24:58
  Tanya, your point is like what happens on classic rock radio
• 1:25:01
  where Nirvana is classic rock now.
• 1:25:04
  So everybody listens to classic rock.
• 1:25:06
  Hamilton's comment is like, okay, cool.
• 1:25:08
  You're going to go buy a classic car.
• 1:25:09
  You're not going to go buy a 20 grand 1960s.
• 1:25:13
  Mustang or a Camaro or something from that age, you're going to go
• 1:25:16
  buy some classic car that's going to cost 750, 000 or 2 million.
• 1:25:23
  Some Mercedes, one of a kind, gold wing, SL, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:25:28
  Don't buy a LaFerrari, buy a 250 GTO.
• 1:25:31
  Yeah.
• 1:25:32
  He's talking about shit that nobody can afford.
• 1:25:34
  So cool for you.
• 1:25:35
  Yeah, everybody should buy a classic car, but.
• 1:25:37
  That everybody that can buy a classic car is going to be buying not those things.
• 1:25:40
  Buy a classic car, not a shit box.
• 1:25:43
  Sound buying advice from Lewis Hamilton and art who can afford art.
• 1:25:48
  Really?
• 1:25:48
  I'm sure I can go buy the knockoff reprint.
• 1:25:51
  Yes.
• 1:25:51
  Hold on.
• 1:25:54
  All posters.
• 1:25:55
  com.
• 1:25:55
  Yeah.
• 1:25:57
  Everybody go to display and get your art there.
• 1:26:00
  Oh boy.
• 1:26:01
  That's definitely not a, what should I buy episode in the making?
• 1:26:04
  Rich people.
• 1:26:05
  What should I buy?
• 1:26:05
  What art goes with my car?
• 1:26:07
  People would probably listen to that more than some of the other what should I buys.
• 1:26:11
  We've done like 25 what should I buys and that's the one people will
• 1:26:14
  probably listen to is, What Van Gogh or Renoir goes with my Bugatti?
• 1:26:21
  Like, ugh, stop.
• 1:26:23
  See?
• 1:26:23
  And the Picasso.
• 1:26:24
  We'd go with the Cybertruck.
• 1:26:26
  I feel like you are grossly overestimating the buying capacity of our listeners.
• 1:26:32
  All three Arbitron rated listeners.
• 1:26:34
  We have, I don't think Mark Hewitt is out there buying a Veyron or
• 1:26:40
  Chiron or whatever, and then he's going to steal and buy the Mona Lisa.
• 1:26:44
  All right.
• 1:26:45
  Lord, a man.
• 1:26:51
  None.
• 1:26:51
  I scoured the country.
• 1:26:53
  I scoured the world, actually.
• 1:26:57
  And could not find anything.
• 1:26:58
  They're in hibernation for the winter.
• 1:27:00
  I mean, the new administration's only like three days old.
• 1:27:02
  They were all at the inauguration.
• 1:27:04
  I thought I found one down under.
• 1:27:07
  Oh!
• 1:27:07
  Down under, man.
• 1:27:09
  Down under, man.
• 1:27:10
  Was something like Australian man getting a ticket or a fine,
• 1:27:14
  arrested, whatever, for cooking a steak in his car while driving.
• 1:27:17
  And I was like, oh damn, here we go.
• 1:27:19
  Open it up.
• 1:27:19
  It was all fake.
• 1:27:20
  Oh, written by chat.
• 1:27:22
  GPT.
• 1:27:22
  He wasn't.
• 1:27:23
  No, I mean, the article was real, but like he actually wasn't doing that.
• 1:27:26
  It was like a fake picture and he never was actually driving, but apparently
• 1:27:30
  the fine is quite high if you are cooking and driving in Australia.
• 1:27:35
  Wow.
• 1:27:36
  So the fact that it was like explicitly said, here's the fine and even jail
• 1:27:40
  time of like three years or something, if you're cooking and driving.
• 1:27:43
  Must mean it's happened before and it's happened enough that they need a law.
• 1:27:48
  So I feel like that leads us into maybe a new segment instead of Florida, man.
• 1:27:53
  It's stupid laws.
• 1:27:54
  There's one in the DMV.
• 1:27:56
  They can find you for cursing in your car.
• 1:27:58
  I don't know how anybody knows, unless it's like you roll the window down
• 1:28:02
  and you're like out the window at somebody and they record you Jersey.
• 1:28:07
  That's like.
• 1:28:08
  The way they greet each other.
• 1:28:09
  What are you talking about?
• 1:28:11
  I don't know.
• 1:28:11
  But if like I'm sitting in my car and I see a dumbass doing something
• 1:28:14
  dumbass, I'm like fucking dumbass.
• 1:28:15
  Like who's going to say anything?
• 1:28:17
  You're going to get arrested for that now, Tanya.
• 1:28:20
  Be careful.
• 1:28:20
  You know why?
• 1:28:21
  Because the cars are listening to you.
• 1:28:23
  I was about to say in the new cars.
• 1:28:25
  With all that crap in it, it's being transmitted to your insurance company.
• 1:28:29
  And then your rates are going to go up.
• 1:28:30
  You've got a potty mouth.
• 1:28:31
  See what's going to happen is they're going to go, Oh, in the drive between
• 1:28:34
  the Starbucks and the McDonald's, they cursed as they got to work after they
• 1:28:40
  left McDonald's, they calmed down.
• 1:28:41
  So they were just hangry.
• 1:28:43
  Oh my God.
• 1:28:44
  Well, we opened the door, talked about Lando a little bit.
• 1:28:47
  We talked about Lewis Hamilton a little bit, and I already mentioned, you've
• 1:28:52
  seen him now in the Ferrari driving suit pre practice and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:28:56
  I still think it's weird to see him at Ferrari.
• 1:29:00
  People are, you know, already creating memes about him.
• 1:29:03
  They're at Ferrari headquarters and the big black double trench
• 1:29:06
  coat and all that stuff looking very much like Schumacher did the
• 1:29:08
  same thing, you know, 25 years ago.
• 1:29:11
  Okay.
• 1:29:11
  Sure.
• 1:29:12
  I think it's awesome.
• 1:29:12
  Hamilton's at Ferrari.
• 1:29:14
  Let's talk motorsports news.
• 1:29:15
  Let's go.
• 1:29:27
  He's going to suck.
• 1:29:28
  They've been actually fairly competitive the last two seasons.
• 1:29:31
  I've, they've had a good car team orders and like some.
• 1:29:34
  Poor mistakes made by the drivers.
• 1:29:35
  I actually feel like this is good.
• 1:29:37
  And I think he's going to be better than people are giving him credit for.
• 1:29:40
  I don't think so.
• 1:29:41
  I think he's done.
• 1:29:42
  I think he's too old.
• 1:29:43
  And if he was still good, he'd be good.
• 1:29:45
  And he's not good.
• 1:29:46
  No, there's no way.
• 1:29:48
  Like the Mercedes, it got better.
• 1:29:50
  They improved it.
• 1:29:52
  Definitely in the last season, the season before even the two seasons before
• 1:29:56
  the car was crap, like it was visible.
• 1:29:58
  There's no amount of anything he could do when you saw the
• 1:30:01
  straight lines, speed, and the.
• 1:30:03
  Disparate difference in that speed, there's no way he or Russell could
• 1:30:08
  have competed in that version of the car in those seasons.
• 1:30:11
  The car was crap.
• 1:30:12
  It was so freaking slow.
• 1:30:13
  Absolute garbage.
• 1:30:14
  Verstappen could have been in it and he wouldn't have won.
• 1:30:17
  That's because I think they were cheating.
• 1:30:18
  If you compare him to the rest of the cars, he wasn't doing that great.
• 1:30:22
  They're either the car was not good against it was better than like Haas
• 1:30:26
  and like Williams and those cars But it wasn't better than Ferrari even in
• 1:30:29
  those seasons They struggled to even be like the top ten the car was so bad and
• 1:30:34
  then in the last season at least they were getting Podiums, how does Mercedes
• 1:30:37
  struggle to build a car like that to me doesn't make sense They were struggling
• 1:30:42
  to build a competitive race car.
• 1:30:44
  I think that's BS.
• 1:30:45
  I'm calling flag on the play.
• 1:30:46
  You can't tell me the Mercedes that has a racing pedigree that's longer
• 1:30:50
  than anybody there can't build a car.
• 1:30:53
  Well, they didn't because they went through that whole porpoising
• 1:30:55
  thing where the car was completely unstable and jumping around.
• 1:30:58
  So they did something.
• 1:30:59
  But that was happening to everybody though, wasn't it?
• 1:31:02
  Yeah, but Mercedes took the longest to figure it out.
• 1:31:04
  And they, they had it more drastic.
• 1:31:06
  You know what?
• 1:31:06
  I feel like the catalyst was for Mercedes and it's probably doesn't make any sense
• 1:31:10
  or whatever, but Nikki Lauda went when Lauda passed, he was doing a lot for
• 1:31:15
  them still up until then he was team consultant, they lost his expertise and
• 1:31:21
  years of experience and knowledge, and I feel like it seems to have had an effect.
• 1:31:26
  On them.
• 1:31:26
  Maybe he was the Mercedes whisperer.
• 1:31:29
  , yeah.
• 1:31:29
  But he was the Ferrari whisperer before that.
• 1:31:31
  Basic suspension.
• 1:31:33
  Yeah, sure.
• 1:31:34
  That's all the same.
• 1:31:35
  But I think the technology far surpassed LA's expertise because he raced in
• 1:31:40
  the seventies and the eighties we're 40 years in the future, the cars
• 1:31:43
  aren't even close to being the same.
• 1:31:45
  Yeah.
• 1:31:45
  But he was an engineer.
• 1:31:46
  He didn't walk away from Formula One.
• 1:31:48
  He stayed in it that whole time.
• 1:31:49
  And as an engineer, he probably learned exactly.
• 1:31:52
  Just because he wasn't racing doesn't mean he wasn't driving the cars.
• 1:31:55
  He's not Adrian Newey.
• 1:31:57
  He was doing better than Adrian Newey was when he was alive.
• 1:31:59
  The team was winning.
• 1:32:00
  The point is not one person designs the car and you can't tell me that Mercedes
• 1:32:04
  doesn't have talented people that could design a car that could be competitive
• 1:32:07
  as competitive as everybody else.
• 1:32:08
  Apparently not, not as talented as Red Bull and Ferrari and McLaren.
• 1:32:11
  It was wildly uncompetitive against many other manufacturers
• 1:32:15
  for at least two years.
• 1:32:16
  So I know you want to say Red Bull was cheating.
• 1:32:19
  If you take Red Bull out of the picture, their performance with
• 1:32:21
  everybody else was hot garbage.
• 1:32:23
  So was everybody else cheating as well?
• 1:32:25
  And it was just Mercedes.
• 1:32:26
  They were only faster than the back markers.
• 1:32:29
  Basically, that's all that car could do.
• 1:32:31
  It's a mid pack team.
• 1:32:31
  I get it.
• 1:32:32
  Point being though, I don't think you're going to see a whole hell
• 1:32:36
  of a lot out of Lewis at Ferrari.
• 1:32:37
  That's my prediction is going to be more of the same.
• 1:32:40
  I think he's going to be better than you're predicting.
• 1:32:43
  And that's my prediction.
• 1:32:44
  Okay.
• 1:32:46
  I look forward to seeing it.
• 1:32:47
  Well, this is funny.
• 1:32:48
  Eric's very strong about his opinion and he hasn't watched a formula one
• 1:32:52
  race in like 20 years, but he's very confident and strong about all of it.
• 1:32:58
  I secretly keep up with it.
• 1:33:00
  I don't have to watch the races to get the race results and read and understand.
• 1:33:04
  That's how I feel about Rally . Stop it.
• 1:33:08
  Stop it.
• 1:33:08
  Okay.
• 1:33:08
  This is us making our picks like for the NFC championship game coming up, you know?
• 1:33:13
  Exactly.
• 1:33:14
  Versus the Eagles.
• 1:33:15
  Who's gonna win the, the F1 championship this year?
• 1:33:17
  It's not gonna be Ferrari.
• 1:33:18
  Who, who's it gonna be?
• 1:33:19
  Who's gonna win the driver's championship and who's gonna win the constructors?
• 1:33:22
  They do not have to be the same.
• 1:33:23
  It's gonna be Affan again.
• 1:33:25
  As long as he's still driving and whatever other, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:33:28
  Because everybody's cash.
• 1:33:29
  That's not who won the Constructors championship this year?
• 1:33:31
  See?
• 1:33:32
  Yeah.
• 1:33:32
  So McLaren won the Constructors championship.
• 1:33:34
  I know that.
• 1:33:35
  The whole Zach Brown thing.
• 1:33:36
  It's like, okay, so it's McLaren's year.
• 1:33:38
  Let's see what happens.
• 1:33:39
  But I don't think Ferrari's gonna do it.
• 1:33:42
  Ferrari doesn't feel like it's been competitive for a while.
• 1:33:45
  Ferrari was very competitive last season.
• 1:33:47
  They were a lot more competitive than they have been in the last X number of years.
• 1:33:51
  I feel like Ferrari made an upgrade in driver.
• 1:33:53
  Yes.
• 1:33:56
  So, as long as their car is still as competitive as it was in prior years,
• 1:34:00
  and if they made an upgrade in driver, then that should tell you that they
• 1:34:06
  should perform better, at least as good as they did in prior years or better.
• 1:34:11
  I think it'll be interesting to see.
• 1:34:13
  I think you could tell with the Mercedes being.
• 1:34:16
  So uncompetitive Hamilton didn't give a shit and why should he what he's gonna
• 1:34:20
  bust his ass out there to come in 10th Okay, he came in 10th, but it's like
• 1:34:24
  how much more is he gonna bust his ass?
• 1:34:26
  He was never gonna come in first So you're driving your passion gets killed a little
• 1:34:30
  bit when you're like I gotta drive this frickin turd and there's nothing I can
• 1:34:33
  do And it's like I know I'm a better driver than these people But like I
• 1:34:36
  haven't I can't compete like you put me in a Pinto and I'm racing against GT40s?
• 1:34:41
  He wants to be Senna.
• 1:34:42
  That was his role model.
• 1:34:43
  That's the Senna and the Tolman story, where the Tolman was,
• 1:34:46
  they were like Haas back then.
• 1:34:48
  He ended up almost winning that Monte Carlo race, even though they
• 1:34:51
  cheated and took it away from him.
• 1:34:52
  But there's all these regulations and shit that was used against him.
• 1:34:55
  But I don't know if it's apples to apples.
• 1:34:57
  But the thing is, if you have the determination as a driver, you're
• 1:34:59
  going to try regardless and not just be like, complacent and take a paycheck.
• 1:35:05
  And that's the thing is, if Hamilton has been resting on his laurels,
• 1:35:09
  For the last couple of years, it means he's lost his edge, which
• 1:35:12
  means he's not going to be fast.
• 1:35:13
  Here's the question that I have.
• 1:35:15
  Maybe it won't matter, but Mr.
• 1:35:17
  Verstappen, will he lose his edge now that he's going to be a father?
• 1:35:21
  I am surprised he didn't quit at the end of this season and just be like, I'm done.
• 1:35:25
  That's it for that's all I need.
• 1:35:26
  He has a contract.
• 1:35:27
  He's not allowed out to like 2028.
• 1:35:29
  I mean, I'm sure he can buy himself out, but technically
• 1:35:32
  he's got a contract till then.
• 1:35:33
  Or until he underperforms enough that they really need to get rid of course.
• 1:35:37
  They'll kick him out, but are they going to do that?
• 1:35:39
  If he causes enough nuisance, I'm sure he will.
• 1:35:41
  You know what I mean?
• 1:35:42
  He's just got a curse on air a couple of times.
• 1:35:44
  Let's move on to another former Mercedes driver.
• 1:35:47
  That I think is doing great things.
• 1:35:52
  Botas is my spirit animal.
• 1:35:54
  He is my new favorite driver in F1.
• 1:35:56
  He is just, he's awesome.
• 1:35:58
  I love Botas.
• 1:35:58
  Thought it was hilarious.
• 1:35:59
  Cause Tanya goes, that man needs to get a haircut.
• 1:36:01
  And I said, I'm glad you mentioned that because there's an Instagram video.
• 1:36:06
  He needs to shave that mustache off.
• 1:36:08
  It's so nasty.
• 1:36:09
  That's the point.
• 1:36:10
  I know it is.
• 1:36:11
  Have you seen the whole thing now?
• 1:36:13
  The gimmick with his stunt double who looks nothing like him?
• 1:36:18
  I just saw a thing of him doing.
• 1:36:20
  I think I actually coincidentally also in Australia because
• 1:36:23
  he's very big into stunts.
• 1:36:24
  Cycling as well.
• 1:36:25
  Um, and he, and he competes in a lot of different races
• 1:36:28
  and nude swimming in creeks.
• 1:36:29
  And he was doing no, it was a nude bike.
• 1:36:31
  It was quote nude.
• 1:36:32
  Like he was just in his underwear and he was like, everybody was just like in their
• 1:36:36
  underwear, basically doing this bike ride.
• 1:36:38
  I was like, Oh my God.
• 1:36:39
  Also one that sucks.
• 1:36:40
  Cause the underwear don't think was padded.
• 1:36:43
  So that's rough bike ride.
• 1:36:44
  Have fun with that.
• 1:36:46
  Some guys like that.
• 1:36:48
  Yes.
• 1:36:48
  He was sporting his mustache and living his best life naked on his bike.
• 1:36:53
  Bicycle.
• 1:36:54
  Bicycle.
• 1:36:55
  Bicycle.
• 1:36:57
  And I think his stunt double, her stunt dude must've been with him because there
• 1:37:00
  was another guy like next to him on a bicycle that looked a lot like him.
• 1:37:04
  Yes, that's the guy.
• 1:37:05
  Yeah, a hundred percent.
• 1:37:08
  Aw, but this is a good follow on social media.
• 1:37:11
  He's good stuff.
• 1:37:12
  He is entertaining, that's for sure.
• 1:37:13
  See, I keep up with Formula.
• 1:37:15
  I want to keep up with the right stuff and the stuff that matters.
• 1:37:19
  Bodice's haircut.
• 1:37:20
  That's this is the podcast that we should be having.
• 1:37:23
  This is Bodice's fashion and haircut.
• 1:37:25
  There you go.
• 1:37:25
  Hey, there are podcasts out there that built themselves around that
• 1:37:28
  whole principle of not throwing it.
• 1:37:30
  I know they've been former guests and they are no longer producing shows.
• 1:37:36
  So that's that.
• 1:37:37
  Oh, they're not.
• 1:37:38
  No, they are off the air.
• 1:37:39
  Did you miss them?
• 1:37:40
  They retired at the end of the season.
• 1:37:42
  They're done.
• 1:37:42
  So sad.
• 1:37:43
  So Botas Perez is out.
• 1:37:45
  He doesn't have a seat.
• 1:37:46
  Nope.
• 1:37:47
  Okay, he's out.
• 1:37:47
  Bye.
• 1:37:48
  Going into this season Verstappen's teammate is going to be Lawson?
• 1:37:52
  Yep.
• 1:37:52
  How's that going to work?
• 1:37:53
  If the guy holds his ego in check, should work out fine.
• 1:37:57
  He's got to be a team player.
• 1:37:58
  By team player, Max Verstappen is number one.
• 1:38:01
  Yeah.
• 1:38:02
  And you do everything to protect him and he'll always be in front of you.
• 1:38:05
  So it's Shumi and Barrichello all over again.
• 1:38:07
  I get it.
• 1:38:07
  We got Lawson moved to Red Bull.
• 1:38:10
  We got Carlos Saenz went to Haas.
• 1:38:12
  Yes.
• 1:38:12
  No.
• 1:38:13
  Williams.
• 1:38:13
  He went to Williams.
• 1:38:14
  Okay.
• 1:38:15
  And then Hamilton went to Ferrari and Leclerc is still at Ferrari.
• 1:38:18
  Yes.
• 1:38:18
  Are any new drivers coming in for this season?
• 1:38:21
  Yes.
• 1:38:21
  A couple.
• 1:38:22
  There's a lot of youngins with no experience.
• 1:38:25
  Are they driving for Audi, Gazoo, or Andretti at any point?
• 1:38:29
  In 2025, even though it's Audi, it's still Sauber for 2025.
• 1:38:33
  They'll officially be Audi in 2026.
• 1:38:35
  And so Audi has brought on Nico Hulkenberg.
• 1:38:39
  They moved him from Haas and he's going to be the Audi driver
• 1:38:42
  in 2026, but he's already going to sit in the Sauber next year.
• 1:38:45
  And then they brought in a Brazilian driver, Gabriel Bortoletto,
• 1:38:49
  who's the other number two chair.
• 1:38:51
  So speaking of Audi, what is this that they were looking to sell out their
• 1:38:55
  investment and get out of Formula One before they even got started?
• 1:38:57
  Is that true?
• 1:38:58
  Is that crap.
• 1:38:59
  I think it's crap because if you go on Audi's website, they have a
• 1:39:02
  whole page dedicated to Formula One talking about their entrance in 2026
• 1:39:07
  and that they also, I think they got some Qatar investment money as well.
• 1:39:11
  And there is still rumor on the street and I brought it up because I wish
• 1:39:14
  them the best that Andretti and GM are coming to Formula One at some point.
• 1:39:20
  So, Cadillac's coming to Formula One.
• 1:39:22
  Which is General Motors.
• 1:39:23
  Right.
• 1:39:24
  That was, I think, Greenlit.
• 1:39:27
  If it isn't, it's about to be.
• 1:39:29
  It might not be completely complete.
• 1:39:31
  It seems like it's actually going to happen versus the Andretti one,
• 1:39:34
  which is just, it makes no sense.
• 1:39:36
  That doesn't mean that Andretti can't come along with General Motors.
• 1:39:40
  I mean, pretty much.
• 1:39:41
  And then at some point General Motors says Have you met Michael?
• 1:39:45
  And then passes the baton and then Andretti's in Formula One.
• 1:39:47
  I mean, what is this backdoor nonsense that we're doing?
• 1:39:49
  I don't know.
• 1:39:50
  Because there's also been talks about like, Oh, maybe Perez will
• 1:39:52
  come back and could race for like Cadillac, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:39:55
  Okay, we'll see.
• 1:39:56
  What year is that going to happen?
• 1:39:57
  I think they're trying to do it for 2026.
• 1:40:00
  Okay.
• 1:40:01
  Yeah.
• 1:40:01
  Because that's when the rule, there's a rule change that's happening in 2026.
• 1:40:04
  So that's why then, take an engine for something.
• 1:40:06
  So that's when Audi can officially come in.
• 1:40:08
  Apparently Andretti is scaling back his role in the team and in the
• 1:40:11
  organization, which I guess that is.
• 1:40:14
  Making F1 more accepting of having all this happen.
• 1:40:18
  So you drop back and you punt and then burst down.
• 1:40:22
  It also says that Cadillac's motors aren't going to be ready until 2028.
• 1:40:27
  So it's going to be a GM branded car with a different engine supplier.
• 1:40:32
  How funny would be, it was a Ford.
• 1:40:36
  Yeah, or it's a Honda with a GM badge, which was the Porsche thing, right?
• 1:40:39
  Where it was going to be a Honda engine with a Porsche badge.
• 1:40:42
  It's like, whatever.
• 1:40:43
  When do they reveal the new cars that look just like the cars from the year before?
• 1:40:47
  That's in, I think February.
• 1:40:50
  Yeah.
• 1:40:51
  It starts like into January.
• 1:40:52
  There's a whole schedule out there of the team reveals and stuff.
• 1:40:56
  Are we still doing Visa cash apps?
• 1:40:58
  State Chipotle MoneyGram.
• 1:41:00
  Like, is that all like a thing or have all the teams changed again?
• 1:41:02
  Wasn't that Audi now?
• 1:41:03
  They're KickSauber or whatever.
• 1:41:06
  MoneyGram was Haas.
• 1:41:07
  Visa, CashApp, blah, blah, blah is now RacingBulls.
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  Toro Rosso.
• 1:41:11
  But RacingBulls.
• 1:41:13
  AlphaTari.
• 1:41:14
  It was AlphaTari.
• 1:41:15
  Then it was.
• 1:41:15
  Something, I don't know, it was Alpha Tauri Toro Rosso, Visa
• 1:41:18
  Cash App, something, something, and now it's Racing Bulls.
• 1:41:22
  Why do they need to keep changing the name?
• 1:41:24
  All right, all that aside, is Okan back or not?
• 1:41:26
  He's us.
• 1:41:28
  Terrible.
• 1:41:29
  All right, that's all I needed to know.
• 1:41:30
  I'm rooting for Okan.
• 1:41:31
  Okan's going to take it this year.
• 1:41:33
  He's going to take all of them.
• 1:41:34
  Okan?
• 1:41:35
  Yeah, right.
• 1:41:36
  That's my prediction.
• 1:41:37
  He's going to take them all out.
• 1:41:39
  Yeah, exactly.
• 1:41:41
  Take out his partner.
• 1:41:49
  Well, let's switch gears here in motor sports news.
• 1:41:52
  We could talk about formula one all night.
• 1:41:53
  I'm not going to talk about WRC, but I am.
• 1:41:56
  So here's the deal.
• 1:41:57
  2025 schedule has been released.
• 1:41:59
  WRC kicks off the end of January with rally Monte Carlo.
• 1:42:03
  That's just a traditional event.
• 1:42:04
  They've been doing it forever, but here's the cool part.
• 1:42:07
  Rally has a tendency to switch it up.
• 1:42:09
  On us kind of unannounced, which is kind of cool.
• 1:42:12
  So this year we have three new rallies on the docket, the Canary
• 1:42:17
  islands, which are in Spain.
• 1:42:18
  And those look really awesome.
• 1:42:19
  You have rally Paraguay and then rally Saudi Arabia.
• 1:42:23
  So that's replacing things like rally Mexico and some of the others.
• 1:42:26
  So they, they mix it up every couple of years.
• 1:42:28
  So the new official 2025 schedule is out.
• 1:42:30
  They're running in 14 locations this year over the course of,
• 1:42:33
  you know, January to December.
• 1:42:34
  And so I'm excited to see the new cars rallies, always a blast.
• 1:42:38
  And that's all I'll talk about it for the next 12 months.
• 1:42:41
  And the Canary islands aren't actually in.
• 1:42:43
  Spain.
• 1:42:44
  They're off the coast of Africa.
• 1:42:45
  Considered Spanish.
• 1:42:46
  They're Spanish.
• 1:42:47
  It's a Spanish territory.
• 1:42:48
  Yeah, they're off the coast of Africa.
• 1:42:50
  Yeah, they're off the coast of Morocco.
• 1:42:52
  I've been there.
• 1:42:52
  Oh, there you go.
• 1:42:54
  Boom.
• 1:42:54
  Did you know I've been to Germany?
• 1:42:56
  What is it that place for the Olympics that was France?
• 1:42:59
  But it was like halfway around the world.
• 1:43:01
  It's the same.
• 1:43:01
  Yeah.
• 1:43:01
  It's a French territory.
• 1:43:03
  Yeah.
• 1:43:03
  It's still France.
• 1:43:04
  Oh, French Polynesia was, that's where they had to do the surfing there.
• 1:43:08
  Cause there's no surfing in the Mediterranean.
• 1:43:10
  As far as they're concerned, it's France.
• 1:43:11
  So Canary islands, that's Spain.
• 1:43:13
  It's Spanish.
• 1:43:14
  Speaking of rally, Tanya, you've been keeping up with the R4 division of Dakar.
• 1:43:19
  Very lightly since there was in the Dakar classics rally.
• 1:43:23
  There were four vintage quattros that were entered in and they
• 1:43:27
  actually all four finished.
• 1:43:29
  The top finisher was 31st.
• 1:43:31
  The other three cars I think were like in the 50s and then I think
• 1:43:35
  one of them was like the 60s range.
• 1:43:37
  I think the last stage before the final stage they were higher up as high as 28.
• 1:43:41
  It was a couple more places, but the other cars were actually up in the 30s as well.
• 1:43:45
  So something must have happened.
• 1:43:46
  I guess in the last stage, or I guess when they average everything out across all the
• 1:43:49
  stages, that's where they, they shook out.
• 1:43:51
  So they had a couple of bad stages in there, but that's still pretty good.
• 1:43:54
  Glad to see that all four of them survived the whole thing.
• 1:43:57
  What I really want to know is what's the next newest Audi that beat them?
• 1:44:01
  Because that's the car that they enter next year.
• 1:44:03
  Oh yeah.
• 1:44:05
  I don't think there were any other ones in this one.
• 1:44:07
  Like, they were it.
• 1:44:08
  Well, by the time you listen to this, Rolex will be over.
• 1:44:11
  I hope you enjoyed the Super Bowl of Racing.
• 1:44:14
  Meanwhile, in the virtual world, new title is coming out that you
• 1:44:17
  should put on your Steam wishlist.
• 1:44:19
  Check out JDM Drift Masters.
• 1:44:22
  I've been reading about this.
• 1:44:23
  I've been looking at the videos.
• 1:44:24
  I saw some stuff on social media.
• 1:44:26
  I've never been into a drift, I'll call it game, sim, whatever, before.
• 1:44:31
  I think this actually looks really cool.
• 1:44:33
  I'm really interested in it.
• 1:44:34
  It's another one of these sort of open world, like test drive, solar crown, like
• 1:44:39
  a set of courses that Evo is turning into.
• 1:44:41
  It's like, Hey, go drive, have fun, build cars, you know, need for
• 1:44:44
  speed, underground type of mentality.
• 1:44:47
  And so I'm looking into that.
• 1:44:48
  I did purchase.
• 1:44:50
  And I played it a little bit.
• 1:44:52
  I think the weirdest part about that Simcade is that you drive on the
• 1:44:57
  same side of the road that you would drive in Hong Kong, which is opposite
• 1:45:00
  of everywhere else in the world, except for a couple other countries.
• 1:45:03
  So that's a little bit you have to get used to.
• 1:45:06
  And then I did also pick up the early access to Assetto Corsa
• 1:45:10
  Evo, which it's coming along.
• 1:45:11
  It's still full of bugs.
• 1:45:13
  They've got a really aggressive release schedule to get it out there right now.
• 1:45:16
  There is no ability to drive this.
• 1:45:19
  Alleged, you know, 1300 square miles or whatever the heck it is in
• 1:45:22
  the Nürburgring and all the stuff.
• 1:45:24
  It's like, here's a handful of tracks and here's a couple of cars and get used to
• 1:45:27
  the physics engine, which really isn't too different than ACC at the end of the day.
• 1:45:31
  I also got to try AC Evo when I was at PRI and I got to try different sim rigs.
• 1:45:37
  They had a whole Sim area at PRI and David Middleton from MIE Racing and I even got
• 1:45:42
  to test on Dallara's bespoke one off sim that they built, which was super cool.
• 1:45:47
  And then we got invited to actually take a look at the car that it was modeled on.
• 1:45:51
  I actually got to sit in that Roadster, which is pretty slick.
• 1:45:53
  So lots of really neat stuff coming in the sim side of racing.
• 1:45:58
  And then if you haven't been paying attention during the winter break, we
• 1:46:01
  actually adopted another show on the NPN.
• 1:46:03
  So you can listen to screen to.
• 1:46:05
  by Inet Esports, and you can hear from sim racers who are also racers
• 1:46:11
  in real life, and they go back and forth and talk about their different
• 1:46:14
  experiences and the race they've been in, the sim racing that they're doing.
• 1:46:16
  And we just had some of the ladies from Inet Esports run at Daytona as well.
• 1:46:22
  So there's an episode that precedes this one where you can
• 1:46:25
  listen to their experiences.
• 1:46:28
  A lot of really cool stuff coming in the SIM world and happening in the SIM world.
• 1:46:31
  So it's something you should be paying attention to because there's
• 1:46:33
  a lot of up and coming drivers that are coming through those types of
• 1:46:37
  programs and finding themselves F1 Academy and places like that.
• 1:46:40
  So lots of really, really good stuff there.
• 1:46:43
  So I've mentioned before our motorsports news brought to us in
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• 1:46:48
  I just want to note that this year they're making some changes at the center.
• 1:46:52
  They're going to start doing some virtual center conversations.
• 1:46:55
  Similar style to our evening with a legend that we do with the ACO
• 1:46:59
  pay attention to their newsletter.
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  Get on their newsletter.
• 1:47:03
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  see what the guests are going to be.
• 1:47:08
  We're doing a pilot in conjunction with them in March with different panels of
• 1:47:13
  women coming from different disciplines of motor sport, and it's not the same old.
• 1:47:16
  Oh, you know, we're going to do roundy round or we're going to do this.
• 1:47:19
  It's like, we're going to get ladies from Trans Am.
• 1:47:21
  We're going to get ladies from drag racing and some other disciplines
• 1:47:24
  that we don't always shine a light on.
• 1:47:26
  Like we do open wheel racing or sports car and endurance.
• 1:47:29
  It's really shaping up to be a lot of fun.
• 1:47:30
  And I got to tip my hat to our friends at WMNA for helping us out
• 1:47:34
  to put all that stuff together.
• 1:47:35
  So some really exciting content for season six of break fix.
• 1:47:40
  And for the NPN, as we move into the spring.
• 1:47:43
  And when racing goes back full swing.
• 1:47:45
  So pay attention to those virtual center conversations in 2025.
• 1:47:48
  And I also wanted to just remind folks, the center raises its money as a 501 C
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  three, not for profit through sweepstakes and fundraising and things like that.
• 1:47:57
  Their current sweepstakes for that ZO six C eight has been shortened.
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  So if you were looking to get in on that, you're trying to wait till the
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  type of deal and hope you win.
• 1:48:11
  They've moved up the sweepstakes ending to February the 16th.
• 1:48:14
  So that'll happen somewhere in between this drive through and the next one.
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  So you're not going to hear about this again in the next episode.
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  So if you want to get in there and try to win that Corvette or take the cash
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• 1:48:34
  Well, Brad, that about wraps it up.
• 1:48:36
  Let's take her home.
• 1:48:37
  As a reminder, you can find tons of upcoming local shows and events at the
• 1:48:41
  Ultimate Reference for Car Enthusiasts.
• 1:48:43
  CollectorCarGuide.
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  net This is our last HPD Junkie Trackside Report.
• 1:48:48
  I don't know if you heard, we wrote an article about it.
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  com is closed.
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  Dave Peters has retired from racing and he has closed up shop.
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  He's selling his Miata.
• 1:48:59
  He's getting out of the game.
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  And so our source for all things track related, you know, to make it easy
• 1:49:05
  to find stuff is no longer available.
• 1:49:08
  So what we're doing is to the best of our ability.
• 1:49:12
  Over on the GTM clubhouse website, we're trying to absorb at least
• 1:49:15
  track data and event scheduling information for stuff up and down the
• 1:49:19
  east coast where we tend to frequent.
• 1:49:22
  And we're going to put that on our calendar with all the details.
• 1:49:24
  Now, unfortunately, none of us have the bandwidth to do what Dave
• 1:49:29
  was doing, but if you have events.
• 1:49:30
  That you know of that you want to get on our calendar.
• 1:49:33
  We'll gladly put them out there and help you promote it.
• 1:49:35
  And, you know, we're going to focus in on the groups that, you know, we're
• 1:49:37
  associated with, you know, HOD, SCCA, CHIN, PCA, and so on down the line.
• 1:49:42
  We've already got 70 events listed on our motorsports calendar.
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  For HPD on this side of the country.
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  So look to club.
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  gt motorsports.
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  org and then click on events to look more into that.
• 1:49:53
  We'll do the best we can.
• 1:49:55
  All I can say for advice is you can go to motorsport reg, but you're going to be
• 1:49:59
  limited to the groups that participate in motorsport reg, and that's not going to
• 1:50:03
  be the chins and the hooked on drivings because they have their own systems.
• 1:50:06
  So your best bet these days is to go to the calendar.
• 1:50:10
  Of your local racetrack or the racetracks are interested in visiting.
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  You know, maybe you want to make a trip to VIR or road Atlanta, go to
• 1:50:17
  their calendar and see who's running during the year or during the month.
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  Now I will say tracks tend to be a little bit slow to come up to
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  speed on who's going to be there.
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  But.
• 1:50:27
  They are contractually obligated to put that information out once
• 1:50:31
  they've confirmed the bookings with those organizations.
• 1:50:34
  Right now we're in a state of transition, a little bit of state of limbo.
• 1:50:37
  So it's unfortunate, but if you're an HPD junkie, we adapt and overcome.
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  I will also say.
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  For any of these clubs, if you know of a club or an organization that you
• 1:50:48
  have run with in the past or want to run with, most of them have mailing
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• 1:50:55
  I still get things for Chen all the time and HOD Audi club, North America.
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  So get on the mailing list of the organizations that, you know, run
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  Because after all, what doesn't belong in your garage?
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  And I have to add to that, Brad, just a quick note.
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  We were saddened to hear that John Kramer, former guest on our show
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  Our episode originally aired on November the 8th of 2023, but
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  Will it be possible?
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  That is the cover photo right there.
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  Look at that.
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  Don't do that to her.
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  I wouldn't do that.
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  We've done that to you before though.
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  Yeah, but uh, she seems to be having a bit of a rough night anyway.
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  I wouldn't do that to her.
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  She's on her laptop and that sometimes has issues too.
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  I wonder if it blue screened on her.
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  That's what happens when your laptop just randomly shuts down
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  I have a nice screenshot of you.
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  You're like.
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  Is this thing, is this thing on?
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  Because I don't think I ever I can hear you.
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  You sound about the same as before.
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  I was on mute apparently.
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  I was saying we would be remiss.
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  Why did she go silent?
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  I, I don't know.
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  What happened?
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  She censored herself.
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  Yeah, she censored herself.
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  Oh, I accidentally hit the power button apparently.
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  So what you're saying is that 20 minutes at the beginning where she didn't talk, it
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  I'm saying it made the show better.
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  Wow.
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  I'm kidding.
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  I kid, I kid.
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  You guys ever watch that game show?
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  On Hulu, it's called The Floor with Rob Lowe.
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  No.
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  The floor is lava?
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  No, no, no, no, no.
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  It's this game show where basically two people come up to the stage and they show
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  them pictures in a category and they have to very quickly say what it is, right?
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  It's like Pictionary, right?
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  And so there's these moments though that apparently when they're standing there, if
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  the screen is not lit, it's not your turn.
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  But there's folks where the screen is lit and they just.
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  Stare at it and I watch you guys.
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  And sometimes I'm like, guys, there's a picture on the
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