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EP9 - My Strategy Before Running 100 Miles This Weekend · GET ER DONE Podcast

• 0:01
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to another podcast, Get Or Done Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: So originally the Get Or Done podcast was once a week, and then I started doing five podcasts a week on Textile Running Company, uh, the company I own, and that took away from the Get It Done podcast.
• 0:33
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• 0:42
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  SPEAKER_03: That was you know, you get random, you know, it's like sandwich day or hamster day or whatever, and it's like what who cares?
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• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm I'm uh I mean, I'm I'm podcasted out, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've got so many podcasts, but that's okay.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_03: The the volume of talk show of uh Texas Running Talk Show is impressive.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: One film one hour a day there, yeah.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: So um, but the Good Or Done podcast is really a podcast that grind is grounded in faith fitness and like the business side of things.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um and that's kind of why I started the podcast because I wanted to try to help other people, including myself, get better, but also help other people level up in their faith, their fitness, and and like their finances or their business.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that's kind of the root of the podcast.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: But um yeah, so I guess I guess today's main main topic is gonna be about the hundred miler this weekend.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I got I've talked about it on previous podcasts a few months ago, but I've I'm signed up for the Arkansas Arkansas Traveler 100 mile, and I'm I'm supposed to be running it here in a few days.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: It looks like on the radar there's gonna be rain, but at least the temperature is 60 to 70, which I'm cool with.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I was just scared it was gonna be 80 degrees, but 60 to 70 does look like there's gonna be rain, which I don't know how to feel about that.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know how that course is gonna be with the rain.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I am signed up for the 100 miler and I'm gonna be doing that.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's Wednesday, so I'll be doing that Thursday, Friday in like two or three days.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: So how do you feel?
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, I know I can do it, like I know I can finish uh the 100 mile race, like based off my training, which my training was not anything special by any means, but like I'll I know I can go out there and fin and do 100 miles on foot.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um the biggest thing that I'm concerned about is being able to keep food and water down.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: So one thing I've always struggled with with races is when you show up to a race, there's like a pressure that like, oh, this is a big race, and there's this pressure that you feel.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and in the past, I've always like thrown up before going to these races because of just like the pressure of like, dude, you're about to go do a big hard race.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I've you know, whenever I did the uh hotter in hell, 100 mile bike race in Wichita Falls, that race, I showed up to the start line, threw up in the parking lot because I was like, oh my gosh, I'm about to do this.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then I got out there and I was riding and I was like, I can't believe I'm out here doing 100 miles at the hotter in hell, and then I just couldn't keep water down at all that whole race.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: I could like only sip blue power raid, and uh somehow sipping blue power raid got me to the finish line, and I somehow finished.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So this is not your first hundred.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh on foot, it's my first hundred.
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  SPEAKER_00: The hotter hell hundred was a bike race.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was a uh a road bike race.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: It took me like several hours to do, but that was on a bike.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: This is on foot, yeah.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: Different animal, yeah, yeah.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so the only thing that I'm concerned about is that is um kind of amping myself up before the race and then not being able to keep food down or water down.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: The my only concern like food, there's a guy that went out and did 100 miles with no food on his stomach at all.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Mike, Michael McKnight, Mike McKnight, he did 100 miles with no calories.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: God, it's crazy.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: He did it though, and so like I know it's possible.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like food-wise, if I throw up whatever, my concern is dehydration.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, luckily it's not gonna be super hot, but my concern is just like, am I gonna be able to keep fluids down?
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: And it's interesting.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: So when I start these races, usually I'm feeling that kind of anxiety or hype up the first couple hours, but then it kind of wears off.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: Once like I did it at 50k one time where I threw up before the race, started the race, was feeling kind of throw up y for the first hour or two, and then it just kind of went away.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was hungry, and then I freaking demolished food at aid stations, and then I finished the race feeling great.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm hoping the same thing happens here.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'll get there feeling kind of how I usually feel before races, and I'm hoping it just wears off and then I can keep food and water down.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, mainly like hydration.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_03: What's what's the longest uh race you've done on foot?
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the biggest thing I've done on foot was I did a uh it's on the YouTube channel, on my personal YouTube channel, but I did the uh I carried the cross for 24 hours and I went 40 miles doing that.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I built a uh wooden cross.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's on YouTube, um, on my YouTube channel, and I did a whole video.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's it's titled like I carried a cross for 24 hours.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I built this wooden cross and then I um took it out one morning and I carried it all around the north part of Longview, Texas, where we live for the listeners.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um I carried it all throughout the north part, went through midnight, 2 a.m., 4 a.m.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: 6 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh I finished up the next day and I did 40 miles.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: I could have probably done 50, but I did stop and rest for a while.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's the farthest I've ever gone on foot in a day, like nonstop.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: I did this May, I did the I went hiking with my friend Blake.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: We did the Ozark Highland Trail.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: We did 70 miles of that in three days, which is about 20 to 30 miles per day, like on average, because we kind of had some half days, but we were doing about 20 to 30 miles a day where we were hiking nonstop from sunrise to sunset, and so we did 70 miles in basically 48 hours, and so so you have some time on feet too, yeah.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: And that was back in that might have been March or April, it might have been May.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: We did that sometime in the spring.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_00: Me and him did that together.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so like I did 70 miles there, and that was with a big hiking bag with like 30 pounds on my back.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I did we did 30 miles one day, and it was like 10 hours straight of just like fast hiking with 30 with 30 pounds on our back.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: It was basically a ruck.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was basically a 30 mile ruck.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, is basically what it was.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so like I did I did that, but that wasn't um within like a full like we slept, you know, six to eight hours between days.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: So um, but that's kind of like the biggest stuff I've done in the past.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like I've done 50K's, like 30 mile runs.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, what made you sign up for the for this hundred?
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so the Arkansas Traveler um is a race that I've always wanted to do when I went to college at Southern Arkansas University.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: They that was a race that I knew of whenever I was running cross-country there at that college.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I always looked at that race and just always said that's gonna be my first hundred, just because it's like it's one of the older trail races in the US.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's somewhat close to me.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, even where we live, it's pretty close to us.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I know a lot of people that have ran it, and it is a very well put together race.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and last year, I I've always said I was gonna run it in 2026.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: I've always said that, like since I was in college.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the past like five years, six years, I've always said I'm gonna run this for this gonna be my first hundred, I'm gonna run it in 2026.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, last year I paced my friend Blake.
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  SPEAKER_00: He did the 100 last year out there, and I got to watch him do the whole thing, and I crewed him the whole time, and I was like, I'm gonna do this next year.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I signed up and now I'm doing it.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_03: So awesome.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: So you're familiar with the course too, then yeah, yeah, I'm familiar with the course, the aid stations, all that.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: The cool thing about that race is aid stations are awesome.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you get aid stations like every six miles, five miles, and they're all like legit awesome aid stations.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, it's a good race.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_03: So how many miles did you pace him?
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I did 20 miles with him.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: I did uh mile 50 to 70.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's a big out and back section on some forest road, service road.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the one thing I'm looking forward to is when we were doing our hike on the Ozark Highland back in the spring, that single track really just beats you up.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then when we some parts of the Ozark Highland trail go onto like some dirt roads, and whenever we'd get onto some flat road, we'd kind of be like, Oh, thank god.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like even if the road was hilly, it was still like not technical, and you didn't have to look where your feet were.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so a lot of Arkansas Travelers forest service road.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm actually looking forward to that because that was easy for us to hike on compared to single track.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so the the Arkansas Traveler, for what I know, the first 30 miles single track hiking trail.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: The last 70 miles of the race is all forest service road, which is just flat road, dirt, got it, maybe some gravel, but it's mainly dirt, and um it's it's wide, yeah, it's not super technical.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: It is hilly, but like uh yeah.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: So and I I've heard it's a good first hundred-mile course too.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, and it sounds like you're going into it with like a good set of you're not going in blind at all.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_03: And then like I think it's really interesting too because if you're pacing somebody in a section that's like midway through, uh, you're familiar with that section.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_03: So once you've put in 30 or 40 miles, you know, you at least have a general idea of what the next 20 miles is that'll push you, and then the the final 30, you don't know it, but that's only the final 30.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_03: And so you're the finish line's like right there, yeah.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_03: So, like psychological, like mindset-wise, yeah.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: Is everything good over the you gotta go?
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm off the screen.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: What's up, listeners?
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: We got off the screen, yeah.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so the I'm not too concerned about the rain.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know like what that's gonna do to the course.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think it'll be fine.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not too concerned.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I'm gonna be trekking through mud necessarily, just because it is forest service road, and usually roads are built to allow water to run off the sides of them.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so I don't think it'll be too crazy.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's just gonna I don't think it's gonna be like a mud pit.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: It could be, and I don't even know if it's really gonna rain.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like I could show up and not rain, which would be which would be great.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: But it looks like from what it seems like it's gonna be kind of overcast, seven or sixty to seventy degrees.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see what it ends up being.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but yeah, and then I was supposed to have a bunch of crew, so there were two guys that were gonna crew me, and they both had like new like big life changes happening in their lives, so they couldn't come.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like one was moving, one's um one had one of them had a family member, something something was going on with one of their family members in the hospital and stuff, so they couldn't go.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Braden, who works with us, was gonna go, but then he committed to something else, and then my brother-in-law, he was supposed to go, but he didn't know if he's gonna be working this weekend.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I think I'm solo, unless you go.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, I'm pretty sure I'm solo.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: No pressure, no pressure on my side.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, I think I'm gonna be solo, which isn't a huge deal, but um it is nice having somebody like waiting.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna I'm gonna make an attempt.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: So go for it.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: I can't commit.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, you don't have to record right now, but yeah, I'm gonna try it.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: We um um yeah, so as of now, I'm probably which I'm not concerned about going solo.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just concerned about getting back after the race.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that'll be uh yeah, that'll be yeah, for sure.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only thing I'm a little worried about, but um uh yeah, so we'll see how it goes.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh my big so my my training has only been like 30, 40 miles a week.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: I was doing the long runs on the weekend that were like two or three hours, and those got pretty easy.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um I did do a marathon that I didn't train for, so like I did a 10k a day every day for 260 days.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: Dang, and then at the end of that 260 days, I signed up for a marathon only doing six miles a day.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: So like I signed up for a 26-mile race.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: My only training was six miles every day.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I signed up for this marathon, uh, the St.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: Louis marathon this past spring.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: I signed up for it, it ran like a surprisingly, ran like a 740-mile pace somehow.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, like a three it was like a three-hour something time.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know the exact time, 320 maybe.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, but I ran um a pretty decent time for a marathon, and that was just on six miles every day.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm kind of thinking like the same thing for this race.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I know marathon and 100 miles are very different, but I've only been doing 30 or 40 miles a week, and like I know that's enough to finish.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then I've gotten to where I'm comfortable, like I can go run a few hours and feel okay.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I was talking to some kind of like an ultra running legend uh recently.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: I was talking to him, and he said the only thing big mileage does when you're training for 100 miles is it pushes back your wall your wall from like mile 30 to like mile 60.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only difference.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: But you no matter what, when you run 100 miles, it doesn't matter how much you train, everyone hits a certain wall where you you just you feel like your legs are just logs and you're just like barely surviving.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: Ever it doesn't matter how much you train, you hit that at some point, and the only thing training does is push that back.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: So we'll see where the wall ends up being.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so mentally in my head, I just want to get to mile I want to get to mile 50 because that would be the farthest I've gone on foot consecutively.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um because my previous record is like the 40 miles with the cross, but at the same time I was carrying a cross, so it's like yeah, um that was two years ago, I think, when I did that.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: But I want to get to mile 50, so that way I can say the farthest I've ever ran was 50 miles.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: When I get to mile 50, it's the out and back section I did last year with Blake, and then my goal will just be to finish that.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: Then by then I'm at mile 70, and then from there my goal is just gonna be to finish.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I'm breaking it up into like I want to get to my first 50k, so mile 30, then I want to get to 50, then 70, and then 100.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so like that's how I'm breaking the race up.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm not even thinking about any of the extra stuff, I just want to get to like that first 50k because I've done that before.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: I and I've finished 50k's feeling like man, I can keep going.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like I often there's times where I'll finish a 50k, and I'm like, I could I could go to 40 or 50 right now, like based on how I feel.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, it's gonna have mentally how I'm planning on breaking it up.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_03: Do you feel like especially like the I think the 50 mile mark, because I I think that that sounds like it could be a challenge mentally when you get there, because you've already have the psychological win of this is as far as I've ran on foot so far.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_03: And so that is gonna be a hard that sounds to me, sounds like the harder push-through because then you you already have a psychological win of going, I this is as far as I've gone, and then you have 50 more to go, so you have to double it to finish.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm not I'm not faking 50 more.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like that that hasn't even crossed my mind until you just said it.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: No, like genuinely in my head, like I I lie to myself whenever I'm doing hard challenges, and I think to myself, um, whenever I'm doing something physically hard, I I lie to myself.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: So if I have six more reps to go, I just tell myself I have one more, and I trick my brain.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: And uh a lot of times too, when I do these challenges, I don't like people telling me what mile I'm at.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm like, don't like whenever I did my hike in the Ozark Island with my friend Blake, he could tell you, but I told him, don't tell me when there's a hill coming up, don't tell me when uh how many more miles we have.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't want to know.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: Just let me go.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like I just want to go.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so I I kind of I throw mileage, aid stations, climbs, I throw all that out the window, and I just think practically, like, I just want to get to this point.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so when I'm on a hike, I'm thinking, I'm just gonna hike all day and try to get to mount this mountain to camp.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I I'm thinking that.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I'm like, my goal is just to get to the mountain.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: My goals, like, I'm not thinking about mileage time, climbs, what's in between.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: My goal is just to get there.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: And in this race, my goal will eventually become let's just get to the next aid station.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then let's get to the next one.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's gonna be my goals from there.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that sounds good.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_03: I I've heard we were talking about uh Chad Wright and 37 prior to recording.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: And uh one thing that has helped me that he says is that uh like ultra running or uh last man or you know, backyard ultra or whatever, it is it's a game not necessarily of how many miles you can do, yeah, but who can stay in the present moment the longest.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: And that kind of seems like what your mentality is.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: And that helps a lot is that that presence of like, well, I'm just where I am and I'm gonna be here, and that's all I really need to think about.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh if yeah, when people try to like get data or get super analytical with physical hard challenges, I just I I I tell them like I like I want to ignore all of that.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I just I don't want to even think about that.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just want to do it.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes survival, I mean that's the biggest win anyway.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um for the for the for the most the the the funny thing is when you think about you you compare, you know, there's there's the 5k runner, and then there's the marathon runner, and then there's the ultra marathon runner.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_03: And like to the non-runner, everything sounds crazy.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and so there's levels to the game.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: So then you've got, you know, if it's just completing the ultra, that's different than winning the ultra or being the best, the fastest, what you know what I mean?
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's just knowing where you're at and what you're comfortable with.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's why I love running, is because you define whatever success you want it to be.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_03: You know, for when I first started running, it was I'm gonna go out there and then I'm gonna wait, I'm gonna run until like I sweat it out.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: I get a good sweat in and then like that's enough.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: I don't care how long it is or how fast it is, that I sweat, that I like get to a point where I'm like, okay, I've I've worked today, yeah, you know, and so it's just defining your own success and knowing what that is gives you a kind of compass to navigate.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um the that's kind of the the mindset I'm just going into it with is like what's gonna be my little wins.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what am I gonna register as wins?
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um and one thing I've learned to do also is from like an anxiety perspective, just like making sure I keep food down and water down.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because like for some reason when I get anxious, I just like throw up.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: My response to anxiety, I guess.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, one thing I do to like calm that is to.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: just go into it with no expectations and then it it it kind of chills me out yeah and then um I don't have that pressure like I'm not putting pressure on myself yeah um and then yeah I mean that's just kind of that's just kind of the game with it and then I mean when things get hard um I'm just gonna just keep rolling I mean that's my response to hard like when hard stuff happens I'm like all right let's just just keep rolling yeah like like I can't if I don't have a good like there's a guy who had who was telling me he was experienced with hundred mileage he's like if you don't have a good he's like you you'll use any excuse you can for why you shouldn't finish a race or a hundred mile race so like he said like you'll come up with all these ideas of because you if you don't finish something you have to have a good explanation why you didn't finish it.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Right and um my only reason or my only thing that would pull me out of a hundred mile race is if I just genuinely can't keep food or like can't keep water down to stay hydrated because then I can like you know end up in a hospital at that point.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: But like at the same time I'm willing to sit there at a date station for two hours if I have to to try to like relax my body and like try to get something down.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: But to me that's the only thing that would make me not finish is dehydration.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_03: Do you do you run with a pack?
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: Will you run with a vest?
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I got a I got a vest.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah yeah I got a vest and they have drop bags and stuff uh but I was thinking like as far as like what I actually need um I'll probably I'm gonna be wearing my vest and then I have like my two waters.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm probably gonna carry some like squirrels nut butter on me just for like shape chafing and all that.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: I will carry um I have like an electrolyte mix I I use pretty consistently and I'm planning on packing a bag of that and just having it on me.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: I use like the BPN electrolyte so I plan on just putting that in a bag and just having it on me.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't decided if I want to do trekking poles or not I'm thinking about just throwing them in at mile 50 uh drop bag and just making it to where like if I do want to pick up my trekking poles at least I'll have them at mile 50.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: But like old school ultra runners they didn't have trekking poles.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: So like the old school guys in the 80s running 100 miles they didn't use anything.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah so I'm also kind of thinking that way I'm like well you you you think one one thing that I've learned about you is you have uh a tendency to go well why not why not me if somebody else is that like you you look to but yeah somebody else's historical like success or if they have done it why not me do you follow that all the time like is that just kind of how you how you approach life yeah pretty much yeah where does that come from um honestly I kind of look at everything um I I look at like how can I I how can I produce the most volume in the most simple way and um a lot of times I just look for like a lot of these people doing these big things and I just look at it like okay simply how are they doing this?
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then I'm just like okay well they're doing it and it's working so let's do that and we'll just figure it out.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah it's kind of my my thinking on it and so on the ultra running side like knowing those guys in the 80s they didn't have packs back then they didn't have trekking poles they didn't have headlamps they had flashlights they carried in the 80s yeah like they it was they didn't do sweat tests no and carbs per hour and all that kind of stuff they didn't they didn't do nothing and so I'm just like okay they did it then that way and that's a very simple way and you're also not carrying a lot of like crap and you're not relying on a bunch of stuff so I'm like okay so I'm thinking in my head all right I just need a headlamp extra batteries some electrolytes just in case I don't know what they're serving at the aid stations but just in case I can't get that down I have something that I usually train with and then some squirrel's nut butter and I'm probably just gonna wear the same shoes the whole time I know people talk about swapping shoes blah blah blah whatever I'm just gonna wear the same shoes keep it simple keep it light um I don't know what I'm doing on tracking poles yet but I'm thinking I'm thinking no tracking poles but just in case throwing them in somewhere.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah so yeah but that's that's a very like old school mentality ultra running mentality yeah but it's and I think it's just because it's very tempting and it's easy to soak up a lot of information and get all granular in the detail but that can also just wig you out.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_03: And you that's that's the case with everything from point A to point B.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah exactly and they got eight stations so they're gonna have water and food so like I have I I can realistically just only take what like a water bottle and in a headlamp and finish the race.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah realistically I'm just gonna add in a few extra things.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah so um drop bag wise I don't know I kind of look at like my my friend's experience last year he had this bag that I would bring to all the aid stations where I would meet him and he barely would use or take anything out of that bag like I had a bag he had like a bag of like snacks drinks he he barely touched it and I I don't want to be that guy that just like packs a bunch of crap and then just not touch any of it.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah you know what I mean yeah so yeah I'm gonna just try to keep it simple and just go dug it out yeah I dig it so um yeah I mean that's the plan for it so we'll see we'll obviously we'll do a podcast next week after and talk about what happened so we'll see how that goes.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah looking forward to that that'll be a fun one too yeah um do you have do you have any like last words nah dude I'm just just shoot you straight dude I'm just gonna go out there and get give it a shot see what happens and um yeah I like it I'm excited dude I'm excited for you just gonna go give it a shot man yeah I'm gonna try to come I mean I like yeah I I think I can I can make it work you can you can run mile 50 to 70 with me it's funny last year because last year I was pacing Blake from mile 50 to 70 it was his mile 50 to 70 and I was pacing him for 20 miles.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: And it's funny because my legs were getting tired but this dude was you know 60 or 70 miles in.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah it was like I'm not gonna say nothing.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah well I haven't been running a lot I've been doing F3 workouts you know so like my my my cardiovascular engine is not what it has been.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah and so like pacing you sounds like a fun thing but at the same time the last thing I want to do is be the pacer that gets dropped because you know what I mean like you're I don't think you will dude because like my training hasn't been crazy.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I don't think you'll be dropped yeah I think it'll be okay.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah we'll we'll we'll figure it out yeah we'll figure it out and then also the logistics of all that if it's how how you know you got to park a place and then you run 20 miles like like getting it back or other shuttles and stuff it's an out and back.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: Oh it's an out and back yeah okay well that one section is yeah that's the only section you'd build a pace where you can like get back to your vehicle okay yeah got it okay so then in theory I could you start and then I drive over to that place out and back with you and then wait and and then go to the finish.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah yeah or the next aid station there's another aid station you could like go to each aid station and then pace the 20 miles with me and then go to the next aid station 104 okay there's like an aid station that has crew access every like 10 to 20 miles.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: So every 10 to 20 miles you can meet up with me.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay yeah okay I'm I'm feeling in I'm feeling in that if we can if we can do it let's do it it's Saturday uh yeah Saturday morning and you're going Friday I'm gonna head up there Friday evening sleep somewhere and then wake up and then do it so okay and then coming home Saturday Sunday Sunday it'll probably take me about 28 28 hours oh yeah I guess yeah just take time to do this yeah it's not just over uh yeah okay got it yeah I'm thinking finishing sometime Sunday morning so we'll see how it goes yeah I don't know have you done a lot of night races um I'm trying to think if I have um I've done night stuff I don't know if I've done it necessarily night races but like the carry the cross 24 hours was all night um I've definitely done some night stuff yeah yeah and I I hear that sleep defurbation is kind of a big thing so I'm thinking about maybe doing some drop bags or I pack some red bullshit about that yeah because you're gonna I I hear apparently like at night late at night while you're running doing ultra running you get pretty tired um so I'm thinking about throwing in some Red Bulls or some caffeine stuff like at some of the drop points yeah so you don't plan on sleeping at all no okay no there's gonna no there's no sleeping no awesome did your friend sleep no okay no there's no sleeping so there's that your battling like sleep deparation on top of your legs being destroyed yeah so is Carly going no she can't drive she has an narcolepsy oh yeah okay yeah she would go she'd be yeah wouldn't be a great uh crew member no she she literally can't drive so that's why she's not gone got it yeah okay yeah yeah so I'm gonna roll out there run it come back and that's the plan Saturday Saturday Sunday so awesome prayers up for you bro yeah that's gonna be uh yeah I'm excited this is great yeah and then we'll do a podcast talking about it yeah we'll get it we'll get everybody on yeah so I love it yeah anything else you think of no I think that's good good document of the pre of the pre-race yeah yeah go out there and get her done yes sir yes sir that's what it is that's what it is um yeah um I hear of a lot of like night hallucinations apparently that some people have we'll see if I have any yeah so yeah we you're gonna have to keep an inventory of like the cast characters that you might see out there that exist or don't yeah um uh it doesn't happen to everybody apparently but it does happen I do want to get some video of like me just absolutely destroyed at an aid station and then throwing a cool caption on it for Instagram we can do it yeah we can make that happen and if I gotta record it I will oh yeah something else I'm gonna take I am gonna take a small portable battery bank and my phone and a phone charger so that way while I run um I have like my phone charged the whole time because if I don't take a phone charger my phone's gonna die even if I don't use it.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah so I think I'm gonna take that too.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't this is bad but I'm two or three days out from this race.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have anything packed or planned I'm just like I'm just go out there freaking do it dude I love it.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: I love it that's so great I love that I love I love doing that though when it comes to like um recreation or travel I'm just like let's just go and figure it out.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and I'm kind of that way with business too I'm like let's just like hire Aaron to be over our podcast and figure it out.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like we'll figure it out I don't know what we're doing but he yeah you know yeah so well I appreciate the trust in you that's good um but but also you you you did that tri the triathlon oh yeah I did that triathlon two day or two weeks ago yeah I just signed that was one of those things where I just signed up and just like I'm gonna I'm gonna give this a shot let it rip I did throw up so I did the swim on the so okay I guess we could touch on this real quick so two weeks ago I did a triathlon it was the sprint it was a 800 yard swim 5k or sorry 12 mile bike 5k run I did not train swim or bike obviously I run yeah so I just took my bike out there that I've only rode once before um went out there I did the 800 yard swim and surprisingly I found my rhythm and like placing wise I didn't do the greatest but like I finished the swim and I actually like I wasn't tired when I did when I got out of the swim I wasn't tired like I didn't like push my I didn't I didn't know how to push myself swimming wise like right I've I have experienced swimming so like I knew how to do the strokes and stuff so um but like I did the swim and felt fine like I wasn't like exhausted and then we hopped on the bike I hadn't biked in over a year and I was just like my legs were kind of burning and I just look like I kind of know what my legs should feel like the whole bike ride and my legs I did I didn't push myself super hard on the bike but I it was like a good like between easy and hard right there in the middle and then I got off the bike and started to run and for whatever reason one mile into the run I'm throwing up oh man yeah and I'm I'm sitting there throwing up throw up for like two minutes on my hands and knees get up feel better and then I go and finish the run and I get to the finish line and I throw up and then I get some uh electrolytes and some drink in me and then I feel fine.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that was my travel experience like two weeks ago.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah yeah yep and that you were there yeah at the age station yeah exactly yeah what's that yeah so I mean but you made it and so maybe it's just a maybe that's just a a precursor to what what to expect a little bit.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah like I know it's common for people to throw up in hundred miles like especially like at night or late and I'm not worried about throwing up later in the game.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah because I'm I know if I'm like 70 miles in throwing up like I know I can like it's just gonna be a little phase that I can get out of yeah yeah now if I'm early on and it's just nonstop and I can't get nothing down that's that's an issue.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Now somehow on the 100 mile bike race that I did like two years ago I don't know how I finished that off of sipping power raid like I was at like mile 60 thinking I don't think I'm gonna finish this race somehow I finished it.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: So who knows maybe I can pull another hotter in hell and like doesn't matter what happens I just somehow finish.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah you know stay tuned stay tuned I love it it's all and I told my wife last night I was sitting there I was eating some tacos and I told her I said I could do 100 miles if it wasn't a race if it wasn't an organized event I could do it.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: But the fact that it's an organized event just adds pressure.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and I'm just like if this was something that like I decided to do 100 miles around here like do like 10 mile loops 20 mile loops yeah I could do that and it would be hard but I could finish that yeah I would feel fine um like mentally but when you add a race aspect to it and a lot of people it just like amps me up man I'm just like it just excites me too much.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah like it's just yeah well I mean we'll see what happens man um you'll get her done yeah you'll get her done so but anyways yeah we're gonna wrap it up and the next episode will be a little recap.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I love it looking forward to it yeah thanks for listening guys to the get her done podcast um this will evolve and get really interesting as time goes on uh but we are back with the get her done podcast so awesome every uh Wednesday is when we film then we'll upload it right after so see you guys on the next podcast and stay tuned peace peace and then you guys get to hear me walk over here turn the camera off because we we don't we don't do edits