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“More Warren, less Kushner.” · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett. I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 1: On today's pod, I chat with Elizabeth Warren about the
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  Speaker 1: fight over the next coronavirus relief bill in Congress. Before that,
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about how Trump's decision to let states fend
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  Speaker 1: for themselves and compete with each other when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to fighting this pandemic, why we should all be paying
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  Speaker 1: attention now to how we're going to vote in November,
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  Speaker 1: and the possibility that Bernie Sanders may soon end his candidacy.
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  Speaker 1: But first, love it. You had a very funny show
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  Speaker 1: this weekend with some very funny people.
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  Speaker 3: We did.
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  Speaker 4: Tell us about it. We had a great love it
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  Speaker 1: That was very funny.
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  Speaker 4: That was great.
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  Speaker 1: The newlywed game was great.
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  Speaker 4: It was a, they were so delightful. We had, and
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 4: There's no ad lib. There's nothing. Our lives are all
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  Speaker 4: the same. We're all having the same life.
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  Speaker 2: Small and sad.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So here's where we are. In the span of about
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  Speaker 1: one month... We've lost over 10,000 Americans to COVID-19, and
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  Speaker 1: there are now more than 330,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus
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  Speaker 1: in the United States. On Saturday, Donald Trump said, quote,
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  Speaker 1: this will probably be the toughest week between this week
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  Speaker 1: and next week. There will be a lot of death, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure his tone was just right when he said that.
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  Speaker 1: And even with 90% of the population under orders to
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  Speaker 1: stay home, many states are still terrified that their hospitals
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  Speaker 1: will quickly become overwhelmed. and are really struggling to get
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  Speaker 1: protective gear for healthcare workers and ventilators for patients. Let's
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  Speaker 1: listen to what Andrew Cuomo had to say about the
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  Speaker 1: current process.
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  Speaker 6: Look at the bizarre situation we wind up in. Every
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  Speaker 6: state does its own purchasing. So New York is purchasing,
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  Speaker 6: California is purchasing, Illinois is purchasing. We're all trying to
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  Speaker 6: buy the same commodity, literally the same exact item. So
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  Speaker 6: you have 50 states competing to buy the same item.
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  Speaker 6: We all wind up bidding up each other and competing
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  Speaker 6: against each other where you now literally will have a
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  Speaker 6: company call you up and say, well, California just outbid you.
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  Speaker 2: It's like being on eBay.
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  Speaker 6: With 50 other states bidding on a ventilator. And you
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  Speaker 6: see the bid go up, because California bid, Illinois bid,
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  Speaker 6: Florida bid, New York bids, California rebids. That's literally what
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  Speaker 6: we're doing. I mean, how inefficient.
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  Speaker 7: And then FEMA gets involved, and FEMA starts bidding. And
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  Speaker 7: now FEMA is bidding on top of the 50. So
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  Speaker 7: FEMA is driving up the price. What sense does this make?
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  Speaker 1: Tommy, why is this happening?
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  Speaker 5: So, you know, this is happening because Trump and Jared
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  Speaker 5: and his entire team are trying to push responsibility for
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  Speaker 5: the response from the federal government into the states. So
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  Speaker 5: instead of trying to centralized the purchase and manufacture of
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  Speaker 5: these crucial medical supplies. They're telling states, basically, you got
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  Speaker 5: to figure out how to get this stuff on your own.
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  Speaker 5: Don't count on us. But there's just a finite number
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  Speaker 5: of suppliers and manufacturers out there. So you have New
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  Speaker 5: York competing with California and Illinois and FEMA and foreign entities.
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  Speaker 5: And it's a disaster. And Cuomo was saying it drives
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  Speaker 5: the price of ventilators from.
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  Speaker 2: $ 25, 000 to $ 45, 000.
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  Speaker 5: But for some states, it's even worse than the price. who,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you've seen states saying, when we're about to
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  Speaker 5: get shipped an order, the federal government swoops in and
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  Speaker 5: takes our order. It happened in Massachusetts. It happened to Kentucky.
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  Speaker 5: Charlie Baker, a Republican governor of Massachusetts said he bought
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  Speaker 5: 3 million masks and.
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  Speaker 2: They were confiscated in New York.
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  Speaker 5: So then they had to have the New England Patriots
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  Speaker 5: owner fly to China to pick up a million more.
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  Speaker 2: So it's this ad hocery.
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  Speaker 5: What we need is a like competent, highly technical manager
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  Speaker 5: to nationalize, oversee and streamline the process. But the government,
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  Speaker 5: federal government won't do it. Gavin Newsom here in California
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  Speaker 5: is trying to build a consortium of states to work
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  Speaker 5: together to, you know, put their purchasing power together and
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  Speaker 5: stop competing. You know, so Cuomo is doing his best.
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  Speaker 5: He said, I think a thousand ventilators are arriving soon
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  Speaker 5: from China. Oregon is loaning New York City 140 ventilators
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  Speaker 5: in a sign of kindness and decency that we wish
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  Speaker 5: was coming from Trump. But it seems like it's going
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  Speaker 5: to be this like everyone fend for themselves effort for
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  Speaker 5: a while.
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  Speaker 2: Love it.
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  Speaker 1: That thing that Tommy just mentioned about Newsom building a
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  Speaker 1: consortium of states to buy protective gear in bulk. Like,
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  Speaker 1: isn't that what the federal government is for, if nothing else?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look, I think one of the things
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  Speaker 4: you can do is you can kind of form this
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  Speaker 4: consortium of states and then maybe have a set of rules.
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  Speaker 8: United.
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  Speaker 4: You kind of have them work together, create a set
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  Speaker 4: of rules, like who's in charge of this and who's
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  Speaker 4: sort of a federal system.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good idea.
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  Speaker 4: Certain safety balance. You have to have checks and balances, right?
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  Speaker 4: Because you don't want too much power to accrue to
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  Speaker 4: that kind of consortium. Yeah, no, look, it's horrifying. It's
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  Speaker 4: compounding the early mistakes, right? We learned over the weekend
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  Speaker 4: that it seems as though the Trump administration did not
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  Speaker 4: actively start pursuing purchasing of much needed medical supplies until mid-March.
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  Speaker 4: So now they're coming in trying to make up for
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  Speaker 4: their own failures and The governors are desperately trying to
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  Speaker 4: build up their own capacity because, in part, the federal
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  Speaker 4: government failed. And the end result is the early failures
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  Speaker 4: to actually take this seriously are now being compounded by
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  Speaker 4: the federal government coming in and competing with the states
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  Speaker 4: for resources, driving up the cost of everything and creating
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  Speaker 4: a chaotic economy. situation in which it's not just, Tommy
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  Speaker 4: said it's Kentucky, it's Massachusetts, it's Maryland, it's Colorado. All
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  Speaker 4: these states are discovering that they're now competing with the
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  Speaker 4: federal government when the federal government should be coming in
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  Speaker 4: and making sure that every state has what they need
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  Speaker 4: when they need it.
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  Speaker 1: It also seems to be that there's some politics driving
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  Speaker 1: these decisions. Washington, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maine received a fraction of
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  Speaker 1: what they requested from the federal government. Florida got everything
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  Speaker 1: they asked for within three days. It's not perfectly aligned
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  Speaker 1: to Donald Trump's political considerations. Like apparently Georgia couldn't get
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  Speaker 1: what it's wanted. You know, New Jersey is getting what
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  Speaker 1: it wants. So it doesn't perfectly line up, but it
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  Speaker 1: does sort of fit with both incompetence. And if you
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  Speaker 1: happen to know someone in the White House or you're
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  Speaker 1: in a state that Donald Trump needs to win, maybe
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  Speaker 1: you get your call answered a little bit quicker.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, his staffers are saying on background that
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  Speaker 5: like Trump cares a lot about Florida because it's a
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  Speaker 5: swing state too. So that kind of helps spell it out.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah. And when there's no process, when there's no
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  Speaker 4: one really serious running this and it's all done, as
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  Speaker 4: Tommy said, in an ad hoc way, a well-timed call
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  Speaker 4: comes in and gets answered. Another call doesn't get answered.
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  Speaker 4: It's all, you know, it's a combination of Trump's like
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  Speaker 4: venal political necessity plus just chaos. Like every story coming
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  Speaker 4: out of the White House over the weekend. Yeah, there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of nefarious purpose, but there's also just incompetent
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  Speaker 4: boobs in charge of things they have no business being
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  Speaker 4: in charge of.
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  Speaker 1: Great segue, love it. I read the outline. Wow, you
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  Speaker 1: know where I'm going. One place that's theoretically supposed to
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  Speaker 1: help with the shortage is the Strategic National Stockpile, which
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  Speaker 1: manages the country's emergency medical supplies, except it's now almost empty.
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  Speaker 1: When asked about this at Friday's briefing, Jared Kushner climbed
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  Speaker 1: out of Donald Trump's pocket and said, quote, the notion
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  Speaker 1: of the federal stockpile was it's supposed to be our stockpile.
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  Speaker 1: It's not supposed to be state stockpiles that they can
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  Speaker 1: then use. This directly contradicted the description of the stockpile
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  Speaker 1: on the government's website. So of course the white house
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  Speaker 1: responded by changing the description on the website to fit
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  Speaker 1: Jared's bullshit. Um, Guys, how do we feel now that
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  Speaker 1: our lives are in Jared Kushner's tiny hands? Tommy, you
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  Speaker 1: want to start?
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  Speaker 2: Long-fingered.
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  Speaker 4: They're skinny. They're skinny.
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  Speaker 1: What do they call him?
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  Speaker 5: They're denigrating him and his buddies as the swimsuit crowd
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  Speaker 5: or something like that? I mean, look, Jared Kushner running
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  Speaker 5: a pandemic response is the, it's not a joke. It's
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  Speaker 5: the worst case response. It's the reason you need anti-nepotism laws.
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  Speaker 5: It's the reason they were designed to prevent this situation.
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  Speaker 5: And you can tell from these briefings that Jared isn't
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  Speaker 5: just this like way fish little idiot who's in over
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  Speaker 5: his head. He's actually like an actively vindictive little guy.
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  Speaker 5: He takes the same tone rebuking governors that he doesn't
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  Speaker 5: like that Trump did. And frankly, like he was just
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  Speaker 5: as arrogant and dismissive during the Middle East peace discussions.
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  Speaker 5: And just a quick aside, the way you know Jared
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  Speaker 5: is very dumb is if you told me, hey, here's
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  Speaker 5: a giant catastrophic problem, you could either take 20 representatives
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  Speaker 5: from these big companies or harness the power of the
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  Speaker 5: federal government.
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  Speaker 2: Which fighter do you choose?
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  Speaker 5: And the answer is obviously the federal government when you
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  Speaker 5: consider the capacity the military alone has. But instead, he's
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  Speaker 5: bringing in a UPS representative to his office for some reason,
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  Speaker 5: so whatever. But like, you know, Look, this is a problem.
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  Speaker 5: Like Lovett was just saying, the AP did this big
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  Speaker 5: survey to figure out when federal agencies started this bulk purchasing.
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  Speaker 5: So we're now way behind on N95 masks, which are
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  Speaker 5: hard to make and often produce overseas. And you have
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  Speaker 5: a scenario where the hospitals are running out, the stockpile
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  Speaker 5: is about.
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  Speaker 2: To run out.
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  Speaker 5: No one is really asking the question, then what? Because
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  Speaker 5: it is such a frightening answer.
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  Speaker 1: Lovett, what do you think about Jared? I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: not just like, It's not just anti-nepotism laws. It's like
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  Speaker 1: anti-dipshit law. It's like the guy is just, even if
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't related to the president, he's so unbelievably unqualified.
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  Speaker 1: He has failed at everything he's done in his life
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  Speaker 1: except marrying into a wealthy family.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, he's been, right, he's no success.
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  Speaker 4: He's never succeeded. He has no, you can't say like,
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  Speaker 4: what's Jared's biggest accomplishment? There's none. But he's been kind
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  Speaker 4: of socially passed throughout his life because of money. He
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  Speaker 4: bought a spot in Harvard. you know, goes into real estate,
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  Speaker 4: buys a building on Fifth Avenue, blows that. Obviously, Middle
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  Speaker 4: East peace has not been resolved. And now he's in
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  Speaker 4: charge of this. And it very much is like, Jared
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  Speaker 4: Kushner has been in the little baby seat with the
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  Speaker 4: wheel his whole life. His whole life, he's been driving
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  Speaker 4: just in a little car, you know, in the passenger seat,
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  Speaker 4: driving his little wheel while the real person was driving
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  Speaker 4: the whole time. And now he's supposed to be driving
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  Speaker 4: and he has absolutely no idea how to drive. He
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  Speaker 4: has no idea what he's doing. There was a... In
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  Speaker 4: the Washington Post piece, there's a long, long, long story,
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  Speaker 4: yet another kind of, what.
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  Speaker 1: Would you call it?
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  Speaker 4: What's it called when you open up a corpse?
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  Speaker 2: What do you do it?
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: What's it called?
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  Speaker 4: Come on, autopsy. It's an autopsy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 4: This is what it said in the piece. Right now,
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  Speaker 4: Fauci is trying to roll out the most ambitious clinical
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  Speaker 4: trial ever implemented to hasten the development of vaccines, said
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  Speaker 4: a former senior administration official in frequent touch with former colleagues.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, I haven't guessed who this is.
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  Speaker 4: And yet, the nation's top health officials are getting calls
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  Speaker 4: from the White House or Jared's team asking, wouldn't it
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  Speaker 4: be nice to do this with Oracle? And so you
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  Speaker 4: have this little band of dummies talking to corporations, doing
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  Speaker 4: what they did when they went to Davos and went
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  Speaker 4: to Bilderberg and trying to Bilderberg the fucking coronavirus while
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  Speaker 4: the real professionals are stuck batting back fake cures that
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  Speaker 4: haven't been proven yet and and whatever shit Rudy Giuliani
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  Speaker 4: is saying in Fox News, and whatever Dr. Drew is
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  Speaker 4: up to. And it's not just that they're not successfully
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  Speaker 4: making a response. It's that Jared Kushner is actively hurting
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  Speaker 4: our country's ability to help people.
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  Speaker 5: It's also, it's like, it's Bilderberg-like global elites thinking they
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  Speaker 5: can solve problems combined with Silicon Valley arrogance slash naivete
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  Speaker 5: that we're going to hack the coronavirus.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to hack poverty.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, you are fucking morons. We need a grinding,
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  Speaker 5: like logistical organized effort.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't a hack.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's been installing his people in different agencies and, um,
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  Speaker 1: whoever at FEMA described it as, um, a frat party
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  Speaker 1: that descended from a UFO and invaded the federal government
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  Speaker 1: is just, that is a hundred percent right there.
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  Speaker 2: Nailed it.
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  Speaker 1: Um, So, you know, Trump isn't just leaving states to
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  Speaker 1: fend for themselves when it comes to medical equipment, but
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  Speaker 1: also when it comes to issuing stay-at-home orders. There are
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  Speaker 1: still eight states that haven't. All of them read. All
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  Speaker 1: of them run by Republicans. North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska,
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina, Utah, Arkansas, and Wyoming. This is after Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Fauci said we should have a national stay-at-home order, to
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  Speaker 1: which Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds responded, quote, maybe Fauci doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have all the information necessary about what states like hers
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  Speaker 1: are doing to slow the virus. Why has this been
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  Speaker 1: left to the states? And why is this so dangerous? Tommy,
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  Speaker 1: you want to start?
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  Speaker 5: So two guesses. I mean, first, it's a lot easier, right?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, managing a huge problem like this, all the
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  Speaker 5: complex needs of individual states and the components of the government,
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  Speaker 5: it's very hard. And this is a massive unprecedented challenge
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  Speaker 5: that requires competent people. And Trump has fired all of
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  Speaker 5: them in lieu of hiring those who tweeted MAGA at
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  Speaker 5: a certain date and time.
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  Speaker 2: Because they passed loyalty tests.
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  Speaker 5: And what we know about the core of Donald Trump
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  Speaker 5: is that he wants credit for everything without taking responsibility
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  Speaker 5: for anything. And so he's pushing it off into the states.
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  Speaker 5: There's also, though, a deep-seated belief in some Republican ideologues
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  Speaker 5: that you want a weak federal government, that states should
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  Speaker 5: somehow be in charge of most things, if not everything.
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  Speaker 5: There's the libertarian, don't tread on me, strain of Republicanism.
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  Speaker 2: And Both those perspectives, Trump's lack of.
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  Speaker 5: Responsibility and the laissez-faire, don't tread on me government perspective
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  Speaker 5: are running headfirst into the reality that public health infrastructure
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  Speaker 5: in this country has been underfunded on a federal level
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  Speaker 5: and in many cases gutted at a local level. And
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  Speaker 5: it's a recipe for a very bad outcome.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look, it mirrors what happened with the Medicaid
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  Speaker 4: expansion in that, like, I actually don't have a problem.
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  Speaker 4: with the fact that the president not dictating a nationwide stay-at-home,
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  Speaker 4: I'm actually pretty comfortable with the idea that the president
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  Speaker 4: could say to the country, I'm urging every governor in
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  Speaker 4: the country to issue a stay-at-home order. Because what we
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  Speaker 4: haven't seen is Donald Trump actually direct a policy that
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  Speaker 4: made it clear to those states that they should stay
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  Speaker 4: at home. In fact, when DeSantis was dallying and delaying, dallying?
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  Speaker 2: I liked it.
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  Speaker 7: Dilly-dallying?
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  Speaker 4: Yes. Dithering. When DeSantis was dithering, delaying, dilly-dallying.
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  Speaker 1: Dicking around.
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  Speaker 4: Dicking around. Mike Pence is in the briefing room calling
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: him decisive and Trump refuses to criticize him. You know,
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: the same Republicans who said we need to let the
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: states do what they will with health care have consigned
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: millions upon millions of people in Southern American states, particularly black,
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: poor Americans, Americans to not have health care because we
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: gave states the choice and then states didn't act on it. So,
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't know what it looks like if
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump had been an actual leader early on, if
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: states that hadn't yet done a shutdown would have done
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: it despite it not being dictated by the federal government.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: But we'll never know because the response was so mismanaged.
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: That's all.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, two points on this. One, you hear a
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: lot of these governors when asked about why they haven't
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: issued stay at home orders. their excuses. Well, I haven't
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: heard anything from the federal government to do that. I
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: haven't heard the president say this. So it is that
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: they are looking to Washington and to the president for
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: leadership on this, or at least the very least using
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: him as an excuse for doing what they want to
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: do anyway. Second, the reason why this is so dangerous,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: first of all, it's tragic for the people in these
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: states who are now going to experience higher rates of
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: infection because the virus will be allowed to spread in
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: these states because people aren't staying at home. It also
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: affects the rest of us, which is why it should
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: be national. We have been home. We have been under
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: a stay-at-home order since March 21st here in California. We
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: are now going to have to stay at home longer
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: and probably extend these social distancing guidelines because there are
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: going to be states like Florida and states like Georgia
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: and states like the eight or nine that I just
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: mentioned that still don't have stay-at-home orders where the virus spreads.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: runs wild and what's going to happen in those states
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: those people in those states are going to travel to
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: other states and it's you know just as we keep
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: say we keep infections down here in california because we
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: all stayed home since march 21st well what's going to
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: stop all the people from the other states where they
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: don't have stay-at-home orders to start coming to california and
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: get it and causing outbreaks again i mean this is
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: why you can't have a fucking state-by-state response to a
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: national pandemic a global pandemic.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: What frustrates me so much about this is Trump has
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: so much political leeway to do the right thing here.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: If Barack Obama were president and he called for a
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: national shelter in place order, you would have like Greg
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: Abbott down in Texas saying the government was going to
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: come take your guns away. You know, like all the
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: fever green bullshit they did to him then. Trump and
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: the MAGA cult has the political ability and space to say, hey,
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: we really need to do this. This isn't just owning
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: the libs. We all do need to stay home because
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: the key to social distancing is to do.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: It before the numbers explode.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: And all these governors are too cowardly, and they're saying, well,
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: we haven't seen a big explosion of cases here in
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: Iowa yet.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know what Dr. Fauci is looking at. And
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: the reason... is just time. You're going to.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: See a big explosion of cases if you don't do
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: the right thing. And that's why I find this so frustrating.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: It's also, you know, Scott Gottlieb, the former FDA commissioner,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: has been talking about this. It also runs counter to
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: their economic goals, right? Like, okay, They don't care enough about...
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: They're too cowardly to care enough about the health of
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: their own people.
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: Fine.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: They're just worried about their economic conditions going into November
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: or going forward.
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: Fine.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: If you don't do what you need to do to
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: contain the virus when we're all staying at home or when, what,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: 90% of the country is staying at home. Yeah. And
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: then we start to come out and the disease is
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: coming back and you can't trust that it's safe. You
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: will not see the recovery. You will not see the
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: recovery if people can't be confident that when they go
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: back to restaurants, go back to movie theaters, go back
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: to their jobs... that the government has successfully done what
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: it said it was going to do. And so you
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: end up with this slow rolling disaster. The same bad
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: decision making and fear and political cowardice that led us
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: into our homes now is going to mean that the pain,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: the economic pain, continues far longer than it needed.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: So another confusing development over the weekend was the new
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: CDC guidance that all Americans should wear cloth face masks
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: when going out in public. Trump made this announcement at
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: a briefing where he then said he wouldn't be wearing
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: one himself because, quote, I just don't want to. According
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: to The Washington Post, the guidelines were the result of
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: a battle between the CDC and the White House. The
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: White House folks were against it. The CDC was for it. Tommy,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: why do you think Trump and his political people aren't
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: thrilled with this idea?
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: You know, so like Lovett was saying, like this is
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: one of those issues where like I'm not as worked
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: up about it. You know, at the risk of sounding
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: like Trump, like I don't think it's the most important
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: issue for all of us to be fighting about.
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: Social distancing is the key. And I would love to
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: have a bigger fight nationally about why some states aren't
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: doing it. But when it comes to masks, civilians shouldn't
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: be using the N95.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Masks or even surgical masks.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: If you have to leave the house and go to
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: the grocery store, the CDC is now saying maybe wear
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: a cloth mask, which might help, especially if you are
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: infected and you don't want to be, especially if you
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: don't know you're infected, you don't want to be spraying
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: more spit that has the virus in it on places
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: and then inadvertently spread it. It's probably not going to
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: do anything to protect you, the individual here. I'm guessing
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: that I don't know. There's probably two parts to this.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: Like Trump probably just he's vain. He doesn't want to
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: look stupid by wearing a mask on TV because it'll
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: mess up his hair or whatever. He's also just a
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: petulant asshole in the face of any authority or common sense.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: I also suspect that he thinks the whole country wearing
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: masks will make things look and feel worse and.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Scarier for a lot of people.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: This is probably a psychological element of this, but like
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: I don't know, man.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: He just picks every fight.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Love it. What did you think? I'm sort of with
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the last point that Tommy made that he is anything
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: that makes this, he's still in this fucking warped alternate
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: reality where anything that makes this look serious or makes
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: this seem scary, he wants to avoid, even if the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: science tells him otherwise. Yeah.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, if Americans are walking around with masks, it
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: means the virus won and beat him personally. It's a
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: personal rebuke. Like, that's really what's in his mind. Now,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I feel like there's some dissensus about the value of masks.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, the government has sent incredibly misleading signals for
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: months now about when and where to wear masks. I
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: think they were correctly worried that people would hoard masks.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: So they said, you don't need masks, while probably knowing
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: that on the whole, while it might not protect you
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: from getting it for someone else, it might help other people,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: even if you have a cloth mask and not a
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: medical mask. But And then there's some question about like, well,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: if a bunch of people wear masks, well, they think
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: they're more protected than they are and put themselves at
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: greater risk. Right. They're sort of like unintended consequences. But
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: that is not what Donald Trump cares about. Donald Trump
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: is not not not going to Dr. Fauci and saying,
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: you know, I've looked at some of the data and
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: in the crosstabs, it's pretty clear that there might be
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: some countervening effects. No, he's like, it looks bad. It
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: looks like I lost.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: But it's just like, you know, you just. Normal leaders
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: just follow the science, right? The masks are not a cure-all.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: The masks should not take place of social distancing measures.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: But there's clearly been enough studies that show that if
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: everyone wears masks and, you know, a large percentage of
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: people are asymptomatic who have it, and you're doing social distancing,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: but you're going to the grocery store and you have
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: a mask on, then yes, there is, whether it's 10%, 20%,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: whatever percent, less of a chance that you will transmit
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the virus. So take it, right? It's not a guarantee.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: It's not 70%. It's not 80%. But it's some small
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: chance that you might reduce the risk of transmission. So
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: we should do it, right? There should be no politics
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: entering the consideration here. But this is like with everything else. Now,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: what he is enthusiastic about that we saw yesterday is
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: an anti-malaria drug called hydroxychloroquine that he pushed again. at
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Sunday's briefing, despite the fact that doctors and health experts
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: say that it hasn't yet been proven to work against
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: coronavirus and that it may cause dangerous side effects. For example,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: after Trump said, what do you have to lose by
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: taking the drug? The president of the American Medical Association said,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: your life. Why... Concise. Why do you think he's pushing
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: this drug so hard? Love it. What do you think?
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: I don't think we know. We like genuinely don't know.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Like there's a couple layers to this.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: One is.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: he just wants to tout something. He's just going from
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: news cycle to news cycle and he wants to latch
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: on to something because maybe it'll go goose the markets.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Maybe it'll send a good signal that we're going to
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: be able to get out of this thing and get
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: him to the next briefing. There's two, there's a bunch of,
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: you know, people who circle him like Rudy Giuliani and
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Peter Navarro who are pushing this. We don't totally understand why.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know what Rudy Giuliani's personal financial interests are
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: in this. Nobody does. Kind of feeding him bad information,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: which is also being spread on Fox News. Then part
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: of it, too, is that there's a kind of like,
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: you know, in the financial crisis, like Goldman makes money
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: whether you lose or not. Like if it works, they're
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: going to say, see, I told the scientists, see, I
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: told the doctor, see, I told the media. And if
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: it doesn't, they'll just pretend it never happened and bounce
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: on to the next thing. It's a completely just unethical,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: chaotic grabbing at something in the news and latching onto
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: it without much of a real justification. That's it.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Tommy, what'd you think? It's so weird.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: It's so weird.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: So to love his point, the Washington Post reported that
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Rudy Giuliani has been pushing it and that he's getting
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: his information from a right-wing doctor on Long Island who,
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: according to the Washington Post, once pleaded guilty to conspiring
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: to extort Steven Seagal. So- That's all I know about that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: I'm guessing he has a financial interest.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: He's a scumbag.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: Rudy Giuliani is a terrible person who gives awful advice
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: that got Trump impeached.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: But hey, whatever. Do what you do. Axios reported.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I have it on good authority from Joey Buttafuoco that
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: this works.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Axios reported also that there was a big fight over
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: the issue in a recent coronavirus task force meeting. And so,
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: you know, Fauci's in there and he said this publicly
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: that he believes there's only anecdotal evidence that this drug
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: might work. Trump literally jumped in and took a question
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: to prevent Fauci from talking about it at yesterday's White
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: House briefing. But I guess in this Situation Room meeting,
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: Peter Navarro, who is Trump's right-wing trade advisor, exploded on
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: Fauci and was dumping studies on the table that he
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: had downloaded. And just remember, this is a guy who
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: works in the White House because Jared Kushner Googled how
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: to learn about China and found his book on Amazon.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: So he has no medical expertise. So like initially when
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: I started hearing everyone fighting about this, I was like,
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: I don't get why he's fighting this battle. I don't
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: know how hard to push back. Cause to love it's point,
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: like if it ends up saving a bunch of people,
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: he'll say, aha, I was right. I do worry about
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: someone taking a drug that they weren't prescribed. That seems
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: like it could lead to bad outcomes. I worry about
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: a run on supply for others who actually need the drug,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: but like, I can't stop him from repeating his bullshit.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: But then I watched Sunday's task force briefing and I,
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: So much time was spent by like repeated individuals focusing
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: on efforts to procure and distribute this drug to places.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: And I'm worried about how much time is being pissed
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: away on hydroxy whatever versus like ventilators or N95 masks
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: or all the things that we know could actually move
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: the needle.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Or other treatments, right? I mean, Dan Diamond at Politico
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: reported this a couple of weeks ago that there's a
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: lot of government researchers who say that they are being
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: pressured by trump to chase down whether uh hydroxychloroquine works
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: um when there are a whole bunch of other antiviral
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: treatments that may be promising right like if it works
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that's great we can all say like trump was right
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the whole time i don't give a shit i'll throw
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: a parade a bunch of lives great fine good for
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: donald trump but like again just like the masks let
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: the fucking science dictate what treatments and cures and vaccines
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: you pursue not like rudy giuliani and a bunch of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: right-wing goons and like of course i don't put it
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: past any of them to have a financial motive here
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: but i don't even think they have to like i
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: think everything we have seen so far points to one
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: explanation which is that donald trump wants an easy way
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: out of this he does not believe that we need
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to be sacrificing as a nation that we need to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: have this like long period where we're all staying at
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: home like He wants out of this as fast as possible.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: He wants an easy way out. He's like the original
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: fucking get rich quick guy, right? He's a, he's a salesman.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: He's a snake oil guy. Like his whole life, he
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: has believed that you can do something easy to get
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: ahead and believing that there's some treatment out there that
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: all he has to do is just yell about at
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the briefing and that's going to fix everything fits perfectly
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: in line with his worldview.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: It also like the lack of expertise, the lack of expertise,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: like Donald Trump saying, what do we have to lose?
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Peter Navarro throwing down studies he doesn't understand on the table.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: There's a reason people like Fauci and other experts have
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: caution in these moments, because they have a wealth of experience.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: We don't.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know anything. I don't have a wealth of experience.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: We don't know about this, but we know that they're
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: drawing on a lifetime of seeing potential medicines that ultimately
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: don't work and do more harm than good, unintended side effects,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: unintended consequences of early pursuit of potential breakthroughs. They're drawing
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: on a history that teaches them to be cautious in
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: the wake of potential medical... treatments. And because people like
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Jared Kushner and Peter Navarro and Donald Trump have literally
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: never thought about this stuff before in their entire lives,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: they're arguing for things they have no basis to argue for.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: That's all.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: So, you know, as part of Trump wanting an easy
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: way out of this, he did a call with sports
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: commissioners over the weekend and said that he wants the
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: NFL season to start on time in September. Of course,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: governors of both parties have now said they don't expect
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: to be filling up stadiums this fall in cities like L.A.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and places like Ohio. You know, Trump at the briefing
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: on Sunday was still pushing for the country to open
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: up soon, kept talking about that. How is this going
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to work out? How should this work out? Like what?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: what is the most realistic path out of where we
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: are now short of a vaccine, which scientists keep telling
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: us is 12 to 18 months away?
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Tommy?
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, let's just start like real quick. Let's just
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: start with how Donald Trump spends his time. He does
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: two hours of these briefings maybe every day. He makes
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: his whole task force. So I'm sure working 24, seven,
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: seven days a week, uh, stand there and just hurry
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: up and wait. Like that's hours of lost time. They'll
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: never get back doing a call with sports commissioners. Like, yes,
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: we'd all love to see sports start again. It would
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: be a welcome distraction from this nightmare we're living in.
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: But like in terms of sequencing, giant events with huge
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: crowds are probably gonna be pretty far at the end
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: of the list of things that are gonna happen again.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: So it's just like, it's PR nonsense. So, you know,
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: if we had the ability to test people repeatedly and quickly,
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: you could see a scenario where things start to slowly
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: open back up in a controlled way. I mean, I
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: saw footage of China today on CNN, literally of stores
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: and markets that were completely closed down that are now
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: bustling with people. You know, they're several months ahead of us.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: They were dealing with this horrible outbreak in January. You know, look,
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: that decision could be a disaster if they are not careful.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: The 1918 flu was much worse when it came back
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: after the summer for the second season. So we can't
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: open up too quickly. I'm also really concerned about healthcare
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: workers who like above all else need a break. Like
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: that's why we're doing social distancing. Remember, it's not that,
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: you know, it's to make these hospitals not just be
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: overrun with patients who can't seek treatment. And I'm like
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: worried about these people hitting a breaking point. So I
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: don't know that this could work right now. I think
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: it's insane that we are in the same briefing. Trump
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: is saying like there will be death. And then in
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: the next breath, he says, we have to open our
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: country again. We don't want to be doing this for
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: months and months. We might have to do this for
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: months and months. The mixed messages are driving me crazy.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Trump thinks that there's no football in the fall. It
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: will make men really mad at him. Yeah.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: What African-American men will he yell at about kneeling?
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: It's, um, we only really get one shot to prove that,
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: that our effort to control this the first time worked,
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: we get one shot to come out in a way
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: that is safe and based on science that gives everybody
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: the confidence that they can trust that, that it's safe
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: to go to the movies. It's safe to go to
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: a concert. It's safe to go to a football game.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: It's safe to go to the ballet or whatever's more popular.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know what's more popular ballet or football, but
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: like whatever the big things are. And Donald Trump doesn't
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: care about that. He cares about November. Everything for him
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: is now about November. He is seeing that the delays
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: that led to the 70 days of stupid that led
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: to this moment are meaning that his fall, this key
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: moment where he's going to campaign for reelection on an
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: economic comeback, are maybe starting to go away. And he's panicked.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: He's panicked. And he doesn't know what to do. But
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: the one thing he doesn't care about are the people
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: that will be hurt. and the pain that will be
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: caused by too quickly coming out of this stay-at-home effort.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: When is the call with Blue Band Group or Cirque
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: du Soleil or Lin-Manuel Miranda?
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I'm upset.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Apple Plus can't shoot their season two, people.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: This really worries me because I'm concerned that we're going
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: to make the same mistakes in not preparing for the
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: fall that we made and not preparing for what we're
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: dealing with right now. And people like Scott Gottlieb, who
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: is Trump's former FDA commissioner, people like Andy Slavitt, who
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: worked in the Obama White House, all of these healthcare experts, epidemiologists,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: are sort of coalescing around two things that we need
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: to do right now to make sure that we can
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: at least start opening the country back up. And Tommy,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you mentioned that number one, the most important is testing,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: like fast, available, reliable testing all over the country, testing
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: not just of symptomatic people, but asymptomatic people. and a
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: surveillance system so that you know who's tested positive, who hasn't,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: where there might be outbreaks. So then you can have
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: certain cities and states more open than others. And like,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: it's going to have to be sort of a series
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: of rolling shutdowns and opening the economy back up. And
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: that's the best case scenario here. And then the other
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: thing that, you know, we just mentioned is serious investment
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: in treatments. If we can't get to a vaccine for
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: 12 to 18 months, are there treatments that make the
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: disease more manageable? And are we letting the scientists find
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: out what those diseases are and pushing them just to
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: discover whatever's out there as opposed to Donald Trump's favorite drug?
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: And I don't see either the testing or the investment
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: in finding the treatments ramped up like they should be
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: right now. And every time I see one of these
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: fucking briefings, I just want reporters to keep screaming at
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump and the people up there until they get
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: answers about The fall and what's going to happen with
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the fall. And, you know, Jake Tapper did a great
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: job of doing this at the end of his show
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: on Sunday, asking the president, where's the plan? What is
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: the plan for the fall? Speaking of the fall, as
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: you said, Tommy, you know, a lot of experts believe
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: that there's a potentially deadlier wave of the virus that
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: comes in the fall. So it's even more outrageous that
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump and a bunch of Republican politicians are now
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: against making it physically safe to vote in the presidential election,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: either with universal vote by mail or more early voting
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Politico reported on Friday that the president's reelection
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: campaign and the RNC are gearing up for a massive
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: legal fight in the months ahead to stop Democrats voting.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: from trying to make voting safer and easier. And here's
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: what New York absentee voter Donald Trump said about why
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: he doesn't think others should have the same privilege.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Do you think every state in this country should be
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: prepared for mail-in voting?
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: No, because I think a lot of people cheat with
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: mail-in voting. I think people should vote with ID, voter ID.
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: I think voter ID is very important. And the reason
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: they don't want voter ID is because they intend to cheat.
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: When you get something, when you buy something, you look
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: at your cards and credit cards and different cards. You
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: have your picture on many of them.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Not all of them, but on many of them. You
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: should have a picture on your— for voting. It should
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: be called voter ID.
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: They should have that. And it shouldn't be mail-in— excuse me.
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: It shouldn't be mail-in voting. It should be you go
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: to a booth and you proudly display yourself. You don't
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: send it in the mail where people pick up all
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: sorts of bad things can happen by the time they
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: sign that, if they sign that, if they sign that,
• 37:16
  Speaker 8: by the time it gets in and is tabulated. No,
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: it shouldn't be mailed in. You should vote at the
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: booth and you should have voter ID because when you
• 37:26
  Speaker 8: have voter ID, that's the real deal.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: We'll see you tomorrow.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: So I think this is very dangerous. What about you guys?
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: What's your concern level here on voting? Tommy? Uh, high.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's quite high.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: Look, it has been a Republican strategy for a long
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: time to make it harder for people to vote, especially
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: people of color, low income people, people who have to
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: work shift jobs. And this is an extension of an
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: incredibly cynical strategy that is born of their coalition, older
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: white people dying off and refusing to change their platform
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: that might bring in Latino voters, young people, others, right?
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: So They are going to ride this strategy until the
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: party no longer exists. And so, you know, it's so cynical.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: It's hard to even believe that a party would push
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: a strategy that might lead to people dying because they
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: wanted to vote.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: But here we are.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: Mark Elias, who's an incredibly smart election lawyer, wrote a
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: great piece about all the things that we should be doing.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: That includes making curbside voting available for everyone. A lot
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: of disabled people now can drive up, get a ballot,
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: fill it out, hand it off. We need to expand
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: early voting, and that should include weekend voting for people
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: who just can't get off work. We should adopt vote
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: anywhere rules, which means you don't have to go to
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: your location and hope to get a provisional ballot. If
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: you go to the wrong polling location, you can vote anywhere.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: And then also we need to make vote by mail
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: the standard across the country. That might take a little longer,
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: but that has to include paying for postage, making sure
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: that these signature matching laws that are being used to
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: throw out tons of vote by mail applications or ballots
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: aren't too onerous, et cetera, et cetera. But yeah, I mean, look,
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: in 2018, 68% of poll workers were over 60 years
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: old and more than a quarter were over 70. So
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: that's an incredibly at-risk population that we're asking to make
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: our elections happen.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: And that's unfair to them.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: It does seem that Democrats should be screaming about this
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: and demand voting protections as part of the next coronavirus
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: relief bill, right? Yeah, yes.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, we were heading towards a November election
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: that everyone anticipated to be the biggest turnout in history, right?
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: There's the turnout. The turnout is going to be incredible.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: The Republicans are going to turn out. The Democrats are
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: going to turn out. You know, we have an election
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: in Wisconsin that's in chaos right now. Absolute chaos, right?
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: And Why is it in chaos? You can point to
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: the efforts of Republicans to prevent people from voting for
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: a long time that have continued now in a kind
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: of truly nefarious way. But underneath that, it's pretty simple.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: There's two things going on at once. You need to
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: stay home to stay safe and you need to leave
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: your house to vote. They have put those two things
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: on at the same time. Both of those things are
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: true and they conflict and it's created chaos. And that's
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: exactly what we will head to in November 2021. you know, yes,
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: we need more vote by mail. They say that there's fraud.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: There's only been one big case of vote by mail
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: fraud in recent years. It was a Republican scam in
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: North Carolina. That's it. That's the example. It was Republicans
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: trying to steal an election. So if we don't want
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: to wake up on Wednesday, November 4th to the chaos
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: of an election that didn't work on a grand scale
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: like what we're seeing in Wisconsin, We have to act now.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: We have to make it so that, yes, there's more
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: vote by mail. There's more voting sites. There's more options.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: There's more ways to vote early. And we need to
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: give states the money and the resources to put those
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: things in place right now. Or we are going to
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: head towards like a potential, a potential illegitimate election that
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: we've just not seen. I mean, it's just, it's a
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: truly terrifying outcome.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I see a lot of people talk about like,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: what are we going to do if Donald Trump cancels
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the election, if Donald Trump postpones the election? First of all,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: he can't do that. Only Congress can do that. But
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: there's an equally terrifying and probably more likely scenario here,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: which is that the virus comes back in the fall.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump decides to downplay it like he did in
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the first place. He says it's nothing but a liberal
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: hoax because they're losing the election. And he tells his supporters,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: go out and vote anyway. It's going to be fine. Meanwhile,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: all the Democratic supporters and the Democratic nominee and Democratic
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: governors and mayors are saying it is dangerous. It's dangerous
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: to vote. We want to do mail in. But in
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: some states we can't do mail in because these Republican
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: legislatures and Republican governors are refusing to do this. And
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: so then you have Donald Trump and his supporters feeling
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: like they can go to the polls because their president
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: told them to. And our supporters terrified to choose between
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: the virus and voting.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: And by the way, where are the lines now, right?
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: When there's a big crowded polling place, where are the lines?
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: They're not in the rural white neighborhoods. They are in
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: the urban areas. They are in black areas. They are
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: in Hispanic areas. They are in poor areas. That is
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: where we have seen these big crowded places. Now imagine
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: what it looks like if the government is telling people
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: they must remain six feet apart and a lot of
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: senior citizen poll workers have decided to stay home. It
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: is a predictable disaster. It is a predictable catastrophe.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: I have to say, I mean, Republicans, this has been
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: a Republican strategy for a long time, and the debate
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: usually ends up being voter fraud versus voter access. And
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: I don't think the Democrats have always done well in
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: terms of making the case and fighting for this. I
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: do think as cynical and disgusting as it is, it
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: provides us an opportunity to say the Republican Party wants
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: to make voting dangerous to your health. The Democratic Party
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: wants to do all these things to make sure that
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: you can vote without getting sick. I suspect that that
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: is a message that will cut across all party lines,
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: especially for people over, let's say, 60.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, a Republican operative is quoted as saying, there's
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: a major feeling that absentee and early voting are tools
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: of the left to make up for the fact that
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: they can't win on election day. Like, think about that,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: that voting safely is a tool of the left now.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Early voting is a tool of the left, making it
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: easier and safer to for Americans to vote is now
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: a partisan issue and it's a tool of the left.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Fuck these people forever. I think the Democrats, like, whatever
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: is in this next bill, and Mitch McConnell's going to
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: scream about it, and Donald Trump's going to scream about it,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of Republican senators are going to
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: scream about it, and if they have to hold up
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the relief bill for this, I think they have to.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: It is... you know, there is stopping the spread of
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: the virus, there is fixing this economy and this economic disaster,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: and then there is protecting our democracy. I just don't
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: see anything more important than that right now.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I agree. Yeah.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: All right. Let's end by talking about the Democratic primary,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: which actually still exists. But according to the Washington Post
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: over the weekend, some of Bernie's top advisors, including his
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: campaign manager and his senior advisor, are now encouraging him
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: to end his candidacy. Love it. Are they right?
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: You know, his primary is over. It's over. Biden is
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: on track to win by a huge percentage in Wisconsin now.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: That's what his own advisors are expecting. The coronavirus hit
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: in the days, I mean, really became a national crisis
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: in the days following the final contest in which Biden
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: basically created an insurmountable delegate lead. I understand how hard
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: and painful it is for the Bernie supporters and Bernie
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: staffers who put so much on the line for their candidate,
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: who believe in their candidate, who saw how close they
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: were to having this nomination in their grasp and to
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: see it slip away. I don't see how Bernie Sanders'
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: own goals are served by it continuing. If you believe
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: in the vision of a world that Bernie wants to create...
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Bernie has a lot of power now to shape the platform,
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: to shape the kind of administration Joe Biden puts together.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: And he should use that power. He should use that
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: power and that platform his candidacy has created. And like,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: you know, there've been people online who say like, oh,
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: if you think Bernie should drop out, it says something
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: about how weak a candidate you think Joe Biden is.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: It doesn't. I just want us to have the best
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: chance in November. That's where we're at now. And I
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: don't see a path for Bernie to be nominee. Barring
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: a catastrophe, Joe Biden is the nominee. And now we
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: need to do everything we can to help Joe Biden
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: win because we have a economic depression, a medical emergency
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: on a grand scale, plus a threat to our democracy
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: unfolding in real time. It has never been more clear
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: how urgent it is to remove Donald Trump from office.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: And that's it. Tommy, what do you think?
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, Bernie would have to win like 60%.
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: or more of all the remaining pledged delegates to win
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: the nomination. And there's no indication based on polling that
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: he is in a place where he can do that.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: In fact, the opposite is true, which is that Biden
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: seems to be on track to rack up more big wins.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: And like Lovett was saying, I can't imagine how weird
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: it is to run an election and work so hard
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: and then have it come to a screeching halt because
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: of a pandemic. That must be weird and infuriating and
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: hard to manage. But I also think the writing was
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: on the wall in terms of where this thing was
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: headed before that happened. And I think we need to
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: figure out a way to bring the party together to
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: help Joe Biden raise money and build up the infrastructure
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: he's going to need to win an election that's going
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: to be fought in a way that's totally different than
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: what any of us expected.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: I hope that Bernie uses his leverage and.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: All the goodwill he's built up to fight for policy
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: priorities and that the Biden team listens to him and
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: agrees to some things. But yeah, I mean, I think
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: it would be good for us to have a nominee
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: and to rally around that individual barring some major event.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Bernie would have to win every remaining
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: state by the margin where he won in Vermont. That's
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: the only state in his home state. That's the only
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: place he's won by that margin so far. And, you know,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: as you look at the polls since then, even the
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: polls recently, it shows the same margin of Biden over Bernie.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Bernie hasn't narrowed the margin at all. But like just
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: from Bernie's own perspective, from like what's good for Bernie here,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I do think that Bernie has more leverage now Joe
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Biden wants Bernie to be out of the race, right?
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Because then Joe Biden can move forward on his VP process.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: He can start fundraising. He can start focusing on the
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: general election. So Biden wants Bernie to drop out now,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: which means that Bernie has more leverage over Joe Biden
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: now than he would have if he waits until the convention,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: which is now in August. And he has more leverage
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: to tell Joe Biden, here's the kind of people I
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: want to see in your administration. here are some policy
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: ideas that I've proposed or that are more progressive than
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: you currently have that I hope you accept. I think
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: he has this leverage now and he may not have
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: it later. And so Bernie, who I know, cares so
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: deeply about the ideas that he's pushing, the movement that
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: he's built. It's just in his interest and it's in
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: the interest of the movement he built, I believe, to
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: end it now, which is also what You know, according
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: to The Washington Post, Faz thinks his campaign manager and
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other other senior advisers on his campaign.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: So it does probably make the right amount of sense.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: What do you guys think Biden can start doing to
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: unify the party in in the scenario that Bernie does drop?
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think it would be helpful to. identify
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: some key policy areas that Bernie has been driving and
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: move to the left on them. So I think the easiest,
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: most obvious one would be on climate change. He needs
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: to roll out a big, aggressive, serious plan. It sounds
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: like he's been taking meetings with some of the most
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: important activist groups on this subject, like the Sunrise Movement,
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: Data for Progress is in there. A bunch of progressive
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: groups have been talking to them. So I think he
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: can secure some wins on those major issues and cement
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: his place as someone who has done more to bring
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: the mainstream of the party in his direction in a
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: short period of time than anyone that I can remember recently.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: And so hopefully just showing that commitment on key issues
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: will do some work in terms of getting.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: People on board.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Love it. What do you think?
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I think that's right. I think it's embracing
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: some of the ideas that excited people about Bernie to
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: begin with. Part of that, I think, is the rhetorical
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: case to the many people who are Bernie Sanders supporters
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: who have not seen Joe Biden as an avatar of
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: their movement, of their needs, of their sense that America
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: is in crisis. And so when we talk about uniting
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: the party, I think sometimes Twitter makes people very brittle
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: and say like, you know, support me or else, get
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: with me or else. If you don't support me, you're
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: a bad person in every direction possible, a bunch of
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: sort of moral posturing. But in the effort Joe Biden
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: mounts to unite the party, I would just love to
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: see him just speak honestly about the work he has
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: to do to win them over and say, I'm going
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: to do what I need to do to earn your support.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: If I don't have your support, that's not on you.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: That's on me. And I'm going to listen and I'm
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: going to listen to Bernie supporters. I'm going to listen
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: to all the people who haven't yet come on board.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: to learn and try to bring you on to earn
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: your support.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I'll also say one last thing on the policy front.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I think if this was before this crisis, I think
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: the Biden folks, I could see them saying, well, you
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: know what, Bernie, of course, wants us to move left
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: on some policies, but we were right about what the
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: electorate looks like. And you weren't because, you know, there
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: were more moderate voters or people, you know, all that
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Now that we are in what could
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: be the greatest economic calamity of our lifetime, maybe since
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: the Great Depression, maybe even worse than the Great Depression,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: and face the greatest public health crisis of the century.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I think that by the fall, there's no way that
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: this electorate isn't more economically populist, angry, upset than ever before.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: This electorate is going to look more like an electorate
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: that finds... what Bernie proposed and Bernie fought for appealing.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: And I think that, and I hope that the Biden
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: people see that and realize that like where the electorate
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: was when we were running this primary, I don't, I'm
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: pretty sure it's not going to be there by the
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: time we get to the fall. And so I totally
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: agree with Tommy that climate is a good place. I
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: also think, look, I don't expect Joe Biden to suddenly
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: embrace Bernie's Medicare for all bill, but maybe there's something
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: that he can do on healthcare that inches his plan closer.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: to Medicare for all or some version of it. So
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I do think that, you know, in again, we said
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: this last pod to like, the danger for Democrats in
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: this moment, where so many people are out of work,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: and so many people are struggling, and so many people
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: are hurt from this healthcare crisis is thinking too small,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: and not realizing the scale of the catastrophe and how
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: it is going to fundamentally shape reshape politics for a
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: long time afterwards, just like the financial crisis did in 2009,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: but perhaps this even more transformative. This is going to
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: be even more transformative.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: And by the way, in ways we do not understand
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: right now. I think that's also worth just adding a
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: caveat of we are in the middle of it. We
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: don't know what the toll will be. We don't know
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: what the medical or economic or financial or political consequences
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: of this be, not just what the crisis is unleashing,
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: but how it will change the way we vote. I mean,
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: we are really in such an uncertain, unfirm ground here
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: that I think it's just worth everyone having humility as
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: we approach the end of a primary that was the
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: only thing we talked about.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: One month ago.
• 53:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: And some breaking news right before we go to Elizabeth
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Warren is Tony Evers, the governor of Wisconsin, just issued
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: an emergency order shutting down Tuesday's election and delaying it
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: until June 9th, which is good for him, but wild
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: because he called the Republican legislature into session this weekend
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: so they could do it because he thought that they
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: would have to do it. They refused and now he's
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: doing it himself. Um, that's going to be interesting in Wisconsin,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: but I'm glad he did it.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: I'm glad he did it too.
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: But there's, there's so much punting of hard choices happening
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: right now. Like we're going to vote on June 9th.
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: You fucking kidding me? We're going to gather in a
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: gigantic convention in mid August.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Are you insane?
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: None of these things are going to happen. Football's not
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: going to start on September 9th. Like maybe I'm wrong.
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: I hope, I pray to God I'm wrong. But like,
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: I do think the entire political establishment, It would be
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: nice if people were preparing us for how long this
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: could be because at least then you could wrap your
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: brain around it.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Now it's just.
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: These delay, delay, delays, and people are going to feel
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: frustrated and say, I thought we were going to have
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: a convention, blah, blah, blah.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: It's just going to be nuts. I'm with you on
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: the convention and the football. I think that on this,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: it's not about– or it may not be about let's
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: all then gather in June. But now they have more
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: time to do mail-in voting, to send out more absentee ballots,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: for people to get the absentee ballots back in time.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Do all of that.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: And potentially they can do more early voting where they like,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: you know, if you have three weeks, you can say,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: all right, 10 people at a location, you go in
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: one at a time, whatever.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: You can make appointments. You can make appointments to vote.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: That's one of the other things Mark Elias talked about.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: We should be able to make appointments to vote. So
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: by June, that might be possible. But certainly what you're saying, Tommy,
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: it would not be possible.
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: Probably not with this Wisconsin legislature, if we're being honest. But, like,
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: hope springs eternal.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: When we come back, I will be chatting with Senator
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren. I am now joined by the senior senator
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: from Massachusetts, Elizabeth Warren. Welcome back to the show, Senator.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Thank you. It's good to be back. Thank you, John.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: How are you doing?
• 55:14
  Speaker 9: You know, like everyone else, I'm doing it all from home.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: But I'm very lucky because I've got Bailey here. And Bruce,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: of course.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: But Bailey first, of course. I say that about Leo.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: So here's the latest thing keeping me up at night,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: which is a lot of things at this point. Let's
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: say we get to the other side of that curve
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: and cases start decreasing in May and June, but we're
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: still a year or so away from a vaccine. We
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: know this thing could hit us even harder in the
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: fall and then again in the winter and so on.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Is it possible for us to return to some version
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: of normal, and what do you think that would look like?
• 55:57
  Speaker 9: So that is a great question, and here's how I
• 56:00
  Speaker 9: think of what we should be doing right now, what
• 56:03
  Speaker 9: the government should be doing. Think of this in terms
• 56:06
  Speaker 9: of three parts. Part one is we need immediate emergency
• 56:11
  Speaker 9: medical response, more testing, more protective equipment, more money into
• 56:16
  Speaker 9: our hospitals, making sure everybody knows they can get treatment
• 56:19
  Speaker 9: at no cost so everyone comes in. emergency to get
• 56:23
  Speaker 9: as much of the medical part of this crisis under control.
• 56:27
  Speaker 9: Part two, we need to be focusing on emergency economic response.
• 56:32
  Speaker 9: That means expanded unemployment insurance and help for small businesses
• 56:38
  Speaker 9: and making sure that if big businesses get a bunch
• 56:40
  Speaker 9: of bailout money, that they really are spending that money
• 56:44
  Speaker 9: in supporting payrolls and workers. But part three right now
• 56:49
  Speaker 9: is we need to be thinking about how to come
• 56:52
  Speaker 9: out of this. So let me describe it this way.
• 56:57
  Speaker 9: You know, by the end of April, we'll have millions
• 57:01
  Speaker 9: of people in this country who have had the virus.
• 57:06
  Speaker 9: And at least if this virus is like most viruses,
• 57:09
  Speaker 9: they're likely to have a lot of immunity against it
• 57:13
  Speaker 9: and may in fact be people who can be out
• 57:16
  Speaker 9: among everyone else without any risk to themselves and without
• 57:21
  Speaker 9: risk that they're giving it to someone. So when you've
• 57:24
  Speaker 9: got millions of people who could start moving, you want
• 57:29
  Speaker 9: to be able to let them move, right?
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: You want to be able to let.
• 57:33
  Speaker 9: Them move to help support the healthcare part of this.
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: They could be delivering meals in hospitals. They could be
• 57:40
  Speaker 9: driving Uber, right? So you can move people back and
• 57:42
  Speaker 9: forth without risk from the driver and risk to the driver.
• 57:46
  Speaker 9: You also want them to be able to start on
• 57:49
  Speaker 9: the economy, helping restart the economy. So a small business,
• 57:53
  Speaker 9: for example, that half its workers now know that they
• 57:59
  Speaker 9: are immune to the virus would be able to come in.
• 58:03
  Speaker 9: And that's how you get your production line started. That's
• 58:05
  Speaker 9: how you get things moving again. So in other words,
• 58:09
  Speaker 9: it's kind of a slope up. But all of that
• 58:12
  Speaker 9: depends on testing. And that in fact, the science shows
• 58:18
  Speaker 9: that people are immune. Well, to know that, we need
• 58:21
  Speaker 9: to be planning right now, planning right now for millions
• 58:27
  Speaker 9: of the COVID-19 tests for actively do you have it,
• 58:32
  Speaker 9: but also millions and millions of those tests for serum
• 58:36
  Speaker 9: testing for whether or not you already have antibodies to it.
• 58:41
  Speaker 9: And that means you're someone who can start to go
• 58:43
  Speaker 9: in the economy and start to get it.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: Up and moving, and help on the healthcare crisis.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Are you worried that this becomes polarized by Trump and
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Fox News so that you have half of America thinking
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: it's fine to go back to normal life when it
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: may not be, and another half that's fighting to keep
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: social distancing measures in place?
• 59:04
  Speaker 9: Yes, of course I'm worried. Look, I am worried about
• 59:08
  Speaker 9: the impact of having a president who for three years
• 59:13
  Speaker 9: has basically just been anti-science, right?
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: Anti-fact, anti-reality.
• 59:19
  Speaker 9: So we all know about how politicized the question around
• 59:25
  Speaker 9: climate change has become in the Trump administration. And I
• 59:30
  Speaker 9: hope we'll get a chance to talk about this shameful business,
• 59:34
  Speaker 9: shameful business of the EPA reducing regulations so that big
• 59:41
  Speaker 9: polluters can pollute more. Yeah, that's how we're going to
• 59:44
  Speaker 9: solve this healthcare crisis. But a big part of that,
• 59:48
  Speaker 9: of course, was trying to undermine the science, to make
• 59:51
  Speaker 9: fun of it, to be anti-science. But remember, That's been
• 59:55
  Speaker 9: the case for the Trump administration from the beginning. What
• 59:57
  Speaker 9: was the first controversy of the Trump administration? How many
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 9: people showed up at his inauguration? And he didn't care
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 9: what the photograph showed. If the photograph showed that a
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 9: lot more people had been to President Obama's inauguration than
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 9: his inauguration, then the answer was take down the photos
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 9: and fire the people who posted them. And that's been
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 9: the move all the way through this administration. So they
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 9: drove out the scientists from the agriculture department, right?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: Over and over and over.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 9: And what I fear here is when reality contradicts what
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 9: Donald Trump says, that Trump will double down on denying
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 9: reality and way too.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: Many Americans will go along with him on that. And
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: now that puts people's lives at risk.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: So Nancy Pelosi has started to float some ideas for
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: what they're calling Phase 4, another coronavirus relief bill. What
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: does an economic plan look like to you that actually
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: meets the scale of the devastation that we're seeing right now?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 9: Well, what I would like to see are things that
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 9: get more structure in place over a longer arc. I
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 9: know that we needed to get out checks immediately to people,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 9: which it looks like Once again, not only does the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 9: Trump administration have a problem with science, they also have
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 9: a problem with competence, just getting those checks into people's accounts.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 9: But what I'd like to see is that we cancel
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 9: student loan debt and that we increase payments to everyone who.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: Receives Social Security and disability.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 9: The reason I pick those two are that we know
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 9: that money put into those folks' pockets is money that's
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 9: going to make it straight back into the economy and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 9: keep going back into the economy. It's called velocity of money.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 9: How fast can you get it in and then on
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 9: through the economy? And it would help both boost confidence,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 9: not just of the people who receive that financial help,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 9: but also boost confidence for small businesses who will say,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 9: wait a minute, there are a lot of folks who
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 9: do still have their jobs and there are folks who
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 9: are going to have more money to spend That's a
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 9: reason if I can get the right people maybe to
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 9: crack my doors open a little when it is safe
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 9: to do so. So I'd like to see us put
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 9: money on both of those. We're going to have to
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 9: put a ton more money on helping state and local governments.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 9: I do regular calls with my mayors here in Massachusetts.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: They've just gotten slammed. And so is the state government.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: Massachusetts is now on target.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 9: To have a $ 3 billion shortfall because of this crisis.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 9: It's upended all planning in the state and all the
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 9: budgets in the state because they're spending so much more
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 9: supporting people during this crisis and trying to support our
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 9: hospitals and public health at the same time that revenues
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 9: are falling like a rock because small businesses are closed,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 9: because we've delayed tax filing date until July 1st. So
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 9: we need to keep that money in because we don't
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 9: want to see layoffs at the state and local level.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 9: We want to see them be able to have the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 9: resources to have the public health response. But we also
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 9: want them to have the money so they can have
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 9: the economic impact that a steady and strong state and
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 9: local government would have. So there are at least two,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 9: three places we should be putting money in. I'm glad
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 9: to talk about more as long as you want to
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 9: keep going.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I was wondering what you thought about what some
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: European countries are doing right now, which is essentially just
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: paying people to stay at home and paying their employers
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: to cover the payroll so long as they don't lay
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: off or furlough workers in the first place. Do you
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: think we should be looking at something like that? Or
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: how do you feel about that?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, I do.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 9: I think that the economic response to this crisis in
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 9: the short term is that we try to keep people employed,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 9: payroll support. That's what we're doing with small businesses. And
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 9: that we should demand the same thing of large businesses
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 9: if they're going to get money from the federal government.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 9: You know, this is what the airline package looks like.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 9: And that is there is money specifically available for the airlines,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 9: lots of money, but only if that money is used
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 9: to support payroll. That is, people get to stay on
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 9: their jobs. And the advantage to that, rather than just
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 9: increasing unemployment, is they maintain a relationship with their employer,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 9: which is important. They can be put back to work
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 9: when and where it is safe. And that's important. And
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 9: they keep benefits. They keep their health insurance. They're continuing
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 9: to contribute to their retirement and so on. Look, it
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 9: is a lot easier.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: in a.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 9: Crisis to support an economy and try to keep it going,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 9: even if it's at somewhat depressed levels, than it is
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 9: to let it crash and then try to get it
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 9: started again.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the politics of this. I mean, I
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: think back to 2009, our ambitions for recovery were limited
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: by the fact that we needed Republican votes to pass.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: The bill.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Today, we've got Mitch McConnell saying we may not even
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: need another relief bill. Donald Trump has expressed some interest,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: but he's not always the most reliable negotiator. How should
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: Democrats navigate the politics here to get the next phase through?
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: What kind of leverage do we have?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 9: I think on the politics of this, what the Democrats
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 9: could do best is ignore Donald Trump, ignore Mitch McConnell,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 9: and basically go straight to the American people and lay
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 9: out a plan that works. So, for example, the fact
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 9: that we expanded unemployment insurance and said it's not just
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 9: going to be for people at full-time regular employment in
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 9: the way we thought of it back in 1954, but
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 9: instead is going to cover gig workers and part-time workers
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 9: and self-employed people, that is a real change. And this
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 9: is what the Democrats fought for. It's what we got
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 9: in the law and the fact that we just recognized
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 9: that unemployment insurance, the dollar figure is too low. So
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 9: we added a $ 600 federal check weekly on top of
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 9: that so that roughly it's about median income 100% replacement
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 9: for most workers in America, for the median income earning worker.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 9: And again, the importance of this is people get it.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 9: They understand why you put this kind of money into unemployment. Now,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 9: part of the problem is, you know the tools of Congress.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 9: We can appropriate and we can make it the law
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  Speaker 9: that this will be available, but you rely on the
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  Speaker 9: administration to be competent, to be able to actually make
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  Speaker 9: it happen, push this money out. And Right now, what
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  Speaker 9: we're seeing, for example, on the checks that went to everyone.
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  Speaker 3: $ 1, 200.
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  Speaker 9: Based on your income, $ 500 for each child, the administration
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  Speaker 9: has stripped itself down, doesn't have people who seem to
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  Speaker 9: know how to get this done. And the states, ever
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  Speaker 9: since the crisis in 2008 in particular, states stripped down
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  Speaker 9: their investment in just basic state government. You know, just
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  Speaker 9: kind of how you keep it going day to day.
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  Speaker 9: And look, that meant long lines at the DMV. It
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  Speaker 9: meant long lines at the unemployment office. And most people
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  Speaker 9: just kind of did a, well, what can you do?
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  Speaker 9: Rather than saying, you know, this is our government. We
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  Speaker 9: could make it work better. But now in a crisis,
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  Speaker 9: you see how this underinvestment has this terrible impact on
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  Speaker 9: how people across this country, millions of people who are
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  Speaker 9: entitled to unemployment relief, can't get anybody at the unemployment
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  Speaker 9: office to pick up the phone or to answer an
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  Speaker 9: email to try to make this happen.
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  Speaker 3: So I think part.
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  Speaker 9: Of this is going to be we need to think
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  Speaker 9: big as Democrats, but we also need to push on
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  Speaker 9: the notion that we, We demand competence from our government
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  Speaker 9: and we're going to hold our government accountable. If Congress
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  Speaker 9: is willing to allocate the money, then by golly, it
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  Speaker 9: is then responsibility of the federal government and the state
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  Speaker 9: governments to make sure that the wheels turn so that
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  Speaker 9: these policies can be implemented and people can get their money.
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  Speaker 1: Should Democrats demand that some form of universal vote by
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  Speaker 1: mail is included in the next relief bill as a
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  Speaker 1: condition of our support?
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  Speaker 3: I have three answers to that.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: This is also keeping me up at night.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 9: We should be demanding that. Look, I don't have to
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  Speaker 9: tell you. Voting is the very foundation of our democracy.
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  Speaker 9: This is the legitimacy of our government. And we have
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  Speaker 9: enough warning now with the primaries that have been put
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  Speaker 9: off that in a health crisis, Voting could become an
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  Speaker 9: activity that a lot of people don't want to engage
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  Speaker 9: in because they're worried that it could threaten their health.
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  Speaker 9: So we should demand both parts that we put enough
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  Speaker 9: resources in for vote by mail and online registration and
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  Speaker 9: enough requirements that we are ready to make sure that
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  Speaker 9: every American citizen can vote come November. Later this week,
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  Speaker 9: I'm putting out a whole plan around voting.
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  Speaker 3: You know me. I like plans.
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  Speaker 4: I believe in plans.
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  Speaker 9: You want to get something done, you ought to have
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  Speaker 9: a plan. But I'm putting out one around voting because
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  Speaker 9: I think this is so powerfully important. And it is
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  Speaker 9: part of our response to this health care crisis. We
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  Speaker 9: cannot say that democracy and your health are somehow in tension.
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  Speaker 3: With each other.
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  Speaker 9: We want every American citizen to have an equal chance
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  Speaker 9: to vote, and that means vote by mail.
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  Speaker 1: We were still grappling with the political and economic fallout
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  Speaker 1: of the last financial crisis when this crisis hit. As
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  Speaker 1: we look to the presidential campaign in the fall, what
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  Speaker 1: is the message and the platform that lets people know
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  Speaker 1: that government is truly on your side for the long haul?
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  Speaker 1: What is the contrast with Donald Trump and the Republicans
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  Speaker 1: on this?
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  Speaker 9: I think it's about our actions and linking them each
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  Speaker 9: time to who we're fighting for. We're fighting for expanded
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  Speaker 9: unemployment insurance. We're fighting for small business relief. We're fighting
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 9: for controls over the Trump slush fund so that if
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  Speaker 9: money goes out to big corporations, it's there to help people.
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  Speaker 9: I think that should be part of it. I think
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  Speaker 9: part of it should still be on the healthcare front, though.
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  Speaker 9: And how it is that, look, I was putting out
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  Speaker 9: a plan for the coronavirus in January. This is not
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  Speaker 9: something that we didn't see coming. We had a lot
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 9: of warning about this. We knew what was happening in
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  Speaker 9: December in China. And we knew the kind of risks
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  Speaker 9: it posed to the people of the United States. I
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  Speaker 9: think we ought to talk every day about the job
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  Speaker 9: of the President of the United States, and that is
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 9: to keep America safe. And that safety is sometimes about
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  Speaker 9: military force, it's sometimes about our diplomatic engagements, but it's
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 9: also about our public health. And making those investments, seeing
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 9: the warning signs early, so that if we'd started in January,
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  Speaker 9: making sure that we had plenty of masks and ventilators,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: we wouldn't be in quite such dire straits right now.
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  Speaker 9: This election, more perhaps than any other in our lifetimes,
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  Speaker 9: is one that's about the role of government and the
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  Speaker 9: reminder that we need a government that is on the
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  Speaker 9: side of the people, that that's where the heart is,
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  Speaker 9: and also a government that is competent in executing on
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 9: each of its plans. Lives are at stake in this one,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 9: and we just need to keep hitting that over and over.
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  Speaker 1: You had some really nice things to say about the
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: kind of leadership that Joe Biden's been showing during this
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  Speaker 1: pretty scary time for the country. If he's the nominee...
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  Speaker 1: What's the case that you're going to be making to
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: some of your supporters or some of Bernie's supporters or
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: other progressives who say, I'm just not sure, or I'm
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: just not that excited? What will you be telling them?
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  Speaker 9: If he's the nominee, I think it's the time to
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 9: talk about what we know about Joe Biden. And the
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  Speaker 9: first thing we know about him is he has a
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 9: good heart. He gets out there and speaks from the heart.
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  Speaker 9: He wants to be a good public servant. There are
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 9: times when we may disagree on policy, but I never,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 9: never think that Joe Biden is out there other than.
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  Speaker 3: Doing what he believes is right. And part two, he.
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  Speaker 9: Believes in competent government. He's been in government long enough
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  Speaker 9: to believe that government can and should be able to
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  Speaker 9: to execute on its basic functions, that the Senate should
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 9: be able to meet and pass legislation, that the Environmental
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 9: Protection Agency should be able to go out there and
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 9: protect our environment. Oh, here's one that'll be a shocker,
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  Speaker 9: that we should have a Department of Education and a
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 9: Secretary of Education who actually believes in public education.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it things have.
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  Speaker 9: Gotten so far out of line with Trump and his
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 9: entire administration, where Secretary of Defense is a former defense
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 9: lobbyist and the head of the EPA is a former
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 9: coal lobbyist and the head of the Department of Education
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 9: is somebody who doesn't believe in public education. That trying
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 9: to pull us back to just the heart of let's
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 9: make government work and make it work for the people,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 9: I think that's a really key part of what the
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 9: election of 2020 is about.
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  Speaker 3: Also, I'll do one more.
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  Speaker 9: And that is, times change. And I think Joe Biden
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  Speaker 9: realizes that in the same way that Bernie realizes that,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 9: the same way that I realize that. What is possible
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 9: today was not possible back in 2008. And so now
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 9: that we have had Donald Trump for three years, we've
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 9: watched what happens at the EPA and the Department of Education.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 9: We've also had this pandemic that puts our lives and
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 9: the lives of our loved ones at risk. I think
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 9: that people are ready to look again at the role
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 9: government plays and how government can be a force for
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 9: good if we decide to do that. And I think
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 9: that opens the door for us to make some bold
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  Speaker 9: changes to make this government work, not just for those
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 9: at the top, but to make it work for everyone.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: Would you be interested in serving as vice president if
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  Speaker 1: he asked?
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  Speaker 9: That would be presumptuous for me to talk about. And
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 9: also I'll just say right now, I got to tell
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 9: you exactly where I'm focused and it is on this
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 9: crisis around us. It's about how we respond to the
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 9: health part of it and how we respond to the
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 9: economic part. We need to be doing things today, not
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 9: a week from today or a month from today, both
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 9: to save lives and to save our economy. So, you know,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 9: I'm out there, as you may know, all the time
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 9: pushing on this administration. We have got to act today
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 9: to save our health and to.
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  Speaker 3: Save our economy.
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  Speaker 1: Last question. So we have a social distancing movie club
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: at Crooked Media. And our producer is a big fan
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: of The Rock, as I know you are. What is
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: The Rock movie you would recommend for this moment? Or
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: would you just say, like, go binge ballers?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm ready.
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  Speaker 6: I'm ready.
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  Speaker 4: Tooth Fairy.
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  Speaker 1: Tooth Fairy.
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  Speaker 3: One of my faves.
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  Speaker 1: Great choice michael have you seen it i have not
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  Speaker 1: seen it yet no i still have i still gotta
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  Speaker 1: get into ballers.
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  Speaker 9: Until you've seen it i promise you this watch tooth
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  Speaker 9: fairy and when you're and get a bowl of popcorn
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 9: tooth fairy and popcorn and when you're finished tell me
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 9: you don't feel.
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  Speaker 1: Better okay that's good i i need a movie to
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: make me feel better so i'm gonna take you up
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  Speaker 1: on that uh elizabeth warren thank you so much for
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: joining us um Give our best to Bruce and Bailey
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: and hang in there.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. And you do the same. Be safe out there.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks to Senator Warren for joining us today. Good to
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  Speaker 1: see you guys as always.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: We just like staying on the Zoom just to have
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: human interaction.
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  Speaker 4: So I ordered delivery barbecue, okay, for dinner.
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  Speaker 2: From where?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: On which which barbecue blood sauce yes love blood and
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: then on Sunday morning there was a little extra brisket
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: so I chopped it up and I mixed it with
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: eggs and then I had leftover tortilla chips that were
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: about to go bad and I made egg brisket nachos
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: and I had an avocado mix that up I made
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: guacamole that's just something that happened on Sunday.
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  Speaker 5: That sounds amazing We got John and Vinny's takeout on Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me you want to talk about something you did
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: with the slow cooker?
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  Speaker 5: No, I didn't really cook that much this weekend, John,
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  Speaker 5: but thanks for asking. We did John and Vinny's takeout
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: on Saturday, and Friday night we did Night and Market, which,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: if you're ever in Los Angeles, those are two phenomenal places.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: John and Vinny's is Italian, Night and Market is Thai.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: It's just amazing food.
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  Speaker 1: We did The Counter in Santa Monica, also great. Just
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: trying to shout out local businesses here, local restaurants, which
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: are important to keep frequenting, and then Emily made a
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: fantastic steak dinner last night.
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  Speaker 6: Nice.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I went to the grocery store on Sunday and
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: was thrilled to do my prep for the pod after
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: where I saw Dr. Burke said, don't go to the
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: grocery store this weekend, which was cool of her just
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: to slip in there on a fucking Saturday briefing.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, always comforting information coming from the White House. All right, everyone.
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  Speaker 1: We will. We'll talk to you later.
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  Speaker 9: Bye.
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  Speaker 4: Bye, everybody. Boop.
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