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Growing Up as NBA Legend Isiah Thomas's Son – Zeke Thomas | Born To The Game Podcast - Summer League Rewind · Born To The Game Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hi, this is Mariah Woodson. I am back at Summer
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  Speaker 1: League right now. So for the next two weeks, we
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  Speaker 1: are revisiting some of our favorite conversations from that experience,
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  Speaker 1: episodes that really capture the heart of what this show
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  Speaker 1: is about. Legacy, family, identity, pressure, purpose, and building your
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  Speaker 1: own name while still honoring where you come from. First
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  Speaker 1: step is our conversation with Zeke Thomas, son of NBA
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Isaiah Thomas. Zeke brought so much honesty, humor,
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  Speaker 1: and depth to this episode as he opened up about
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  Speaker 1: growing up around the game, moving through different cities, understanding
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  Speaker 1: his family's legacy, finding his own voice as a DJ,
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  Speaker 1: creative and activist. So, whether you missed it the first
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  Speaker 1: time or you're revisiting it with us, we're excited to
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  Speaker 1: share the special Summer League Rewind with Zeke Thomas. What's up, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: and welcome back to a special edition of Born to
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  Speaker 1: the Game. I'm your host Mariahi, daughter of NBA coach
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  Speaker 1: and former NBA player Mike Woodson, and I'm Tamara Peyton,
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  Speaker 1: niece of Mike Woodson, and we're so excited to have
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  Speaker 1: you guys on this journey with us. Straight from NBA
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  Speaker 1: Summer League twenty twenty five here at Sirius XIM Studios
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  Speaker 1: at the Beautiful Win Hotel, Las Vegas. And if you're
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  Speaker 1: new here, Born to the Game is the podcast where
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  Speaker 1: legacy meets real life. We sit down with the children
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  Speaker 1: of legends, from athletes, entertainers, and power players to talk
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  Speaker 1: about what life was really like growing up in the
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  Speaker 1: spotlight and what it takes to build your own name
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  Speaker 1: and trust us. Today's guest knows exactly what that feels like.
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  Speaker 1: He's an accomplished DJ activist, a creative force, and he
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  Speaker 1: just happens to be the son of NBA Hall of
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  Speaker 1: Famer and the legendary Isaiah Thomas Salise, Welcome to the show, Zig.
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  Speaker 2: Thomas Field having me.
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  Speaker 1: My gosh, you know I had to have you here.
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  Speaker 2: This is awesome. I mean we in Vegas. Y okay, phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, we got viewers don't know we got a
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  Speaker 1: special guest. You are special guest, but we have an additional.
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  Speaker 3: We do have an additional special guest rolling around here.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, come here, Marsie.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, he is he is? Okay O cute
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  Speaker 1: you guys, look at mars We have our special guests,
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  Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, Mars friends, Mars. We yes, yes he Mars.
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  Speaker 1: He just he just made my day. But yes, we
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  Speaker 1: had to introduce Mars. But we are so glad to
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  Speaker 1: have you Zeke. This. I feel like this conversation has
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  Speaker 1: been a long time coming, and I'm just happy that
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  Speaker 1: we get to talk about your family, identity, legacy, pressure, purpose,
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  Speaker 1: and just the hustle of carving your own lane.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, as we were gossiping prior to this,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's it's amazing the way legacy and lineage,
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  Speaker 3: it all, it all comes in. You know, I was saying,
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  Speaker 3: you know, my dad's legacy, A big part of it
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  Speaker 3: started because your dad helped recruit him to Indiana University,
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  Speaker 3: and you know that's where he met my mom.
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  Speaker 2: And you know that DNA produced this great DA.
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  Speaker 1: And the gene. Yes. Yes, well we're going to get started.
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  Speaker 1: That's so you're ready to allright, So we're going to
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  Speaker 1: ask you describe being born to the game in three words.
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  Speaker 1: Take a time, I love the breath, did you meet
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  Speaker 1: the anticipation like.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, resilient duty yeah? And luck?
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Those are good. Yeah, those are great. Those are great,
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  Speaker 1: So let's dive into duty. Yes, why why duty? We're
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  Speaker 1: thinking we're twins, but yes, why duty?
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  Speaker 3: You know, as classified black Americans in America, in society,
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  Speaker 3: and as we're going through this new time of you know,
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  Speaker 3: the the weaponization of the American government for the first
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  Speaker 3: time isn't solely focused on Black America. Tino and Erica
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  Speaker 3: are getting a lot of heat right now. But that
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  Speaker 3: doesn't mean that I'm not a part of the second
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  Speaker 3: generation out of Jim Crow. My dad was part of
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  Speaker 3: the first generation. So when I say duty, it's we
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  Speaker 3: have to carry this legacy that our parents built, that
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  Speaker 3: they built off the backs of people who had suffered
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  Speaker 3: prior to them immensely from slavery on down, and to
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  Speaker 3: get to the top, to be hall of fame, to
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  Speaker 3: be not just a Hall of Famer, but also a
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Fame dad, a.
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame person.
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  Speaker 3: My parents still together to this day, rocking out about
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  Speaker 3: to celebrate I believe, their fortieth wed again. But it's like,
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  Speaker 3: that's beautiful when you truly have a model of of
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  Speaker 3: a healthy black family, that's the duty to continue that.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I'm a gay black man, so I
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  Speaker 3: feel I have a different amount of pressure on my
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  Speaker 3: shoulders that I've been given from the ancestors to Hey, this.
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  Speaker 2: Is what you gotta do. This is the people who
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  Speaker 2: you have to lead.
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  Speaker 3: And if you want to fall into this duty, wow,
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  Speaker 3: be responsible and respectful of it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Well wow, I that's incredible. I wanna We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: go to our next segment because you just kind of
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  Speaker 1: dropped a bomb. Duty is a big word, and we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna kind of come back to it later
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  Speaker 1: in the interview, but but before, can we talk about luck?
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  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to do. A lot uses
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  Speaker 1: that word a lot, just in sports, right, just even
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  Speaker 1: to be successful and to get to the place that
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  Speaker 1: they are currently, you do have to have a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of luck, right. I mean also the statistics of
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  Speaker 1: getting in the league. Yeah, and I don't have the
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  Speaker 1: stat with us, but it's so small, it's.
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  Speaker 2: So small small. There's only I think.
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  Speaker 3: Less than twelve thousand people have ever gotten to play
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  Speaker 3: in the NBA.
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  Speaker 1: I think that number is actually like five thousand, wild
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  Speaker 1: less than six thousand. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like
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  Speaker 1: six thousands. Faiths, we didn't say that, we were im
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  Speaker 1: just saying bat check me, but I think it's about
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  Speaker 1: six thousand. But then on top of that, you the
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame party, like that's even that. It's probably even.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the work that it takes to to
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  Speaker 3: get there, for him to do it, and then to
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  Speaker 3: sustain it after, you know. So I I was born
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  Speaker 3: in eighty eight. My dad went back to back championships,
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  Speaker 3: but then retired in I think ninety three ninety four.
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  Speaker 3: So the majority of my memories are really of my
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  Speaker 3: dad being an owner of the Toronto Raptors, a team president,
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  Speaker 3: and a head coach with the Knicks and the Pacers.
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  Speaker 3: So I got to see the game on a different side.
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  Speaker 3: And I was lucky to get that opportunity, and I
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  Speaker 3: was lucky to be able to have the to share,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the cool stories of you know, the first
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  Speaker 3: time I got to New York, I was welcome there
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  Speaker 3: and did the whole press conference and I'm there with
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  Speaker 3: my dad and.
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  Speaker 2: Who takes us out?
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  Speaker 3: Spike Lee, Chris and where.
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  Speaker 2: Do we go? The club? J Z talking mass sugget.
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  Speaker 2: That's lucky.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't realize how lucky it would be for me
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  Speaker 3: personally to move from Indiana to New York.
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  Speaker 2: Those are two very different, play.
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  Speaker 1: Different, and we're going to ask you about it. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to go back there. Let's talk about but you
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  Speaker 1: segued us into our next portion of the interview is
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  Speaker 1: about yours about the early life and the dailies about
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  Speaker 1: when you were a kid and what that looked like
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  Speaker 1: and traveling did you guys, did you travel with your dad?
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  Speaker 1: Did you stay in one place? What was that?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 3: I was always at my dad's hip, like, and my
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  Speaker 3: dad always brought me with him and I thank him
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  Speaker 3: for that. And my dad's definitely a family person.
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  Speaker 2: We're a tight family.
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  Speaker 3: We like to hang together, watch TV together, talk about
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  Speaker 3: everything together.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing is off limits.
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  Speaker 3: We moved from Detroit to Indiana to New York.
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  Speaker 1: And at what age moved.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see, when I was in sixth grade. Move when
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  Speaker 3: I was in tenth grade.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, those are hard grades because that's the middle school
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  Speaker 1: and then it's like high school, so like those are
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  Speaker 1: two really And then we had some false starts, okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like being in the NBA, you know, you might get
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  Speaker 2: traded or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: And we had some some false starts, almost ending up
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  Speaker 3: in Atlanta that didn't happen. But I remember like we
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  Speaker 3: had a house and like you know how like you
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  Speaker 3: get like the picture pairing yourself to move, but that
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  Speaker 3: didn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: It happened.
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  Speaker 3: We almost moved to Toronto again, had a house and stuff,
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  Speaker 3: the picture even like a shadowed to school.
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  Speaker 2: That didn't happen.
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  Speaker 3: So the the moving around that was not good for me,
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  Speaker 3: so explained more.
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  Speaker 1: Talk's hard to find? How was that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm an outgoing person.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a really.
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  Speaker 2: At all.
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  Speaker 3: So I've always found it pretty easy for me to
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  Speaker 3: meet people, engage with people. And that's definitely a skill
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  Speaker 3: that I think I had to develop just from moving
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  Speaker 3: and also being the child of a celebrity.
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  Speaker 2: I really I didn't like as a kid. The thing
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  Speaker 2: that I didn't like.
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  Speaker 3: The most, and I'm still asked this question, which is weird.
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  Speaker 2: It's really weird, really weird.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird.
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  Speaker 3: Are you as great a basketball player as your dad?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Talk about it a weird question. Make you play? Was
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  Speaker 1: that something he pressured you into doing?
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  Speaker 2: Pressure me to play? But I love to play and
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  Speaker 2: I played?
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  Speaker 1: Were you good at it?
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  Speaker 2: I was a great defense? Was a great defense?
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  Speaker 1: Did you and Pops ever played one on one? And
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  Speaker 1: I mean you're the defense ones game.
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  Speaker 3: I played one on one a lot, Okay, he played
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  Speaker 3: twenty one. We played one on one, and he definitely
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  Speaker 3: helped me improve my game. Now, I do remember Indiana
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  Speaker 3: and this is definitely fact checked.
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  Speaker 2: We were playing on the.
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  Speaker 3: Pacers practice court. At that time. It was called Conseco Fieldhouse.
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  Speaker 3: Now I think it's game Bridge field House.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I want.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, can we call it? Is there a way pressed back?
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  Speaker 2: Like this.
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  Speaker 1: Mean? I mean you want you can call him in
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  Speaker 1: my word's dad. I know he's gonna call, But you
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  Speaker 1: know what, I believe you, Zeke. I believe you.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I'm just letting you know. I dunked and he
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  Speaker 2: said we.
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  Speaker 4: Can't, we can't play anymore.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't have phones back then. Dang.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm old, okay, eighties baby, late baby Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I I want to get into friends, trust and
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  Speaker 1: isolation a little bit. Did being born to the game
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  Speaker 1: affect your social life? I know we we kind of
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  Speaker 1: tapped into it, but I want the viewers to kind
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  Speaker 1: of get to know, like how that dynamic was with
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  Speaker 1: you and friends was at heart to find friendships was
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  Speaker 1: a hard fee to trust people because I know, for
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  Speaker 1: me growing up into it. I had some challenges with
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  Speaker 1: that as well. And then moving It's sixth grade moving
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  Speaker 1: and then great is hard. That is hard anything really.
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  Speaker 3: So as I go back, we moved sixth grade, going
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  Speaker 3: into seventh grade, just moving to Indiana, Froyd, Michigan and
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  Speaker 3: new kid here. And one of the first experiences that
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  Speaker 3: I experienced with my new classmates.
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  Speaker 2: Is nine to eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And so here I am in a foreign place, foreign people,
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  Speaker 3: you know, trying to figure it out. And one of
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  Speaker 3: the most defining moments in my life happens.
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  Speaker 1: Were you in class.
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  Speaker 2: No, we were late to school. Wow.
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  Speaker 4: We were late to school listening to the russpar Morning Show,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, Indiana was on Central Time, and.
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  Speaker 2: So it was like eight eight whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So we're pulling up late, and you know, unfortunately, we
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  Speaker 3: heard the announcement that, you know, a plane and hit
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  Speaker 3: the tower. And I actually went inside and told my principal,
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  Speaker 3: and my principal told me I was lying no.
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  Speaker 2: So then like I'm like no, go on the computer.
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  Speaker 3: So like comviewter load up, and sure enough, the second
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  Speaker 3: plane had come in and.
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  Speaker 2: It really.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of resonated and just was grounding because it was you.
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  Speaker 3: I went to a private school, and there were a
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  Speaker 3: few kids whose parents had worked at or near or
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  Speaker 3: around the trade center, and there were those kids there
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  Speaker 3: who were freaking out, nervous, not sure what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't terrified that.
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  Speaker 3: Something was about to happen in Indiana as much as.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have my people.
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  Speaker 1: So you felt isolated.
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  Speaker 3: I felt well, I didn't know if I felt isolated.
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  Speaker 3: I just you know, you you want to check on
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  Speaker 3: your quote loved ones, and you're thinking about your support
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  Speaker 3: system back home in Detroit. Now, I did make great
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  Speaker 3: friends in Indiana, and I love them to this day
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  Speaker 3: and still probably are some of my closest relationships. So
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  Speaker 3: that's ages thirteen to sixteen. And then we moved again
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  Speaker 3: in to New York, and that was heartbreaking because I
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  Speaker 3: had definitely truly made some of the best relationships that
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  Speaker 3: I have in my life. I mean, I went to
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  Speaker 3: the Backstreet Boy concert, so.
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  Speaker 2: He was seventh grade. Shout to Greg Odin. But like,
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  Speaker 2: had I not.
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  Speaker 3: Moved met these people, played basketball, got engaged, like made
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  Speaker 3: an effort, my experience could have been a lot different.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like because of who your dad is,
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  Speaker 1: people wanted to be friends with you or did that
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  Speaker 1: affect the dynamic with people?
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  Speaker 3: Because I always affected the dynamic with people. I mean
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  Speaker 3: I have a bullshit monitor from H two.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, good, more to the game. Yeah, I mean you
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  Speaker 1: are to sniff it out now. I love that. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: for sure. And you moved from what after sixteen? So
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  Speaker 1: that's what high school?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And then you get to New York and you said
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  Speaker 1: that was heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 3: New York was heartbreaking because I lost so many close friends.
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  Speaker 3: Now I made close friends in New York, but it
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  Speaker 3: more so was after the fact, and a lot of
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  Speaker 3: my close friends with New.
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  Speaker 2: York in New York were older than me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: When I moved to New York, I started working for
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  Speaker 3: Hot ninety seven. Oh, and I started, you know, DJ Zeke.
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  Speaker 1: Started We're going to get into it.
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  Speaker 2: So I was I was definitely.
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  Speaker 3: Adulting earlier than expected in New York or Indiana, I
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  Speaker 3: could be a kid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I felt that I took on my Zeke persona in
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  Speaker 3: New York to kind of hide some of Joshua's pain
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  Speaker 3: from moving twice. You know, you you left your tight
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  Speaker 3: New York or you left your tight Detroit, and then
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  Speaker 3: you left your tightness in Indiana. You know, I got
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  Speaker 3: great friends, and actually those great friends who I have
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  Speaker 3: from Michigan and Indiana, some of them, you know, work
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  Speaker 3: in the NBA now, so it's all full you guys.
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  Speaker 1: So at the time you I'm going back to the
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  Speaker 1: word duty. Did you realize in sixth grade then, because
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  Speaker 1: you said you could smell bullshit it?
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  Speaker 2: Two? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Did you understand the duty then? When was the first
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  Speaker 1: time that you realized of the duty of being a
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  Speaker 1: part of this phenomenal family?
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  Speaker 3: I can remember, hell, I remember I was like probably
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  Speaker 3: under the age of five, and We're at home in
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  Speaker 3: our family room, you know, two couches, you got the
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  Speaker 3: big TV. But TV back then y'all had like the big.
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  Speaker 1: Literally.
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  Speaker 3: But so I'm there and my dad being interviewed on
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  Speaker 3: you know, the local news, and I'm in his arms
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  Speaker 3: on the press conference, and my mom says to me,
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  Speaker 3: you got it chill like during this time, like like
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  Speaker 3: look at you.
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  Speaker 2: Like she she pointed it out to.
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  Speaker 3: Me and im, and I've that meant that has always
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  Speaker 3: kind of stuck with me that hey, yeah, that that
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  Speaker 3: moment was captured on camera and your dad was performing
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  Speaker 3: and you messed up the performance. Okay, so from then on,
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  Speaker 3: it was like, Okay, yeah, you may like the limelight,
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  Speaker 3: and you may want to you know, get some attention
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  Speaker 3: chin or get whatever, but.
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  Speaker 2: There's a way to do this that does not affect
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  Speaker 2: the brand.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha? Was that your first time you realized your dad
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  Speaker 1: is Isaiah Thomas?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: When was that moment for you? Because I'm gonna tell
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  Speaker 1: you'all mine in a second.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if the aha moment really came into
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  Speaker 3: New York.
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  Speaker 2: Like I knew my dad was the man. They don't
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  Speaker 2: get me wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I knew he was walking around and you know people when.
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  Speaker 2: We got to New York. Huh, and he was on
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  Speaker 2: the cover of the newspaper. Okay, every single day in
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  Speaker 2: New York.
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  Speaker 1: Though, you're like, wait a minute. He kind of like, head, okay,
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  Speaker 1: how wild is that? At that young he's talking about
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  Speaker 1: understanding the brand and understanding of that WA brand thinks
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  Speaker 1: wilds No, that's wild, that's wild. I before we break,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you guys, when I realized, y'all, I
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: thought my dad was a referee.
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  Speaker 2: I'm obsessed.
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  Speaker 1: So I remember my mom was like, because we didn't
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: travel with dad, we didn't travel with him until we
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: were older. But Mom was like, I think dad was
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: coaching in Cleveland at the time because we weren't born
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: until Dad retired, and she never saw him play. I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: never seen him play, but they weren't born yet, so yeah,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: but mom. We were living in Houston at the time,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and Mom was like, all right, we're going to go
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: see your dad in Cleveland, y'all. I thought he was
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: a referee. So we get there and I'm looking for him,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm looking for the black and white referee.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I thought that's what a coach was. I was looking
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, Mom, i don't see him, and I'm
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: looking at the black and white man just like running up.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: She was like, he's right there. And I was like, oh,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: that's what you do. I thought, look, my mad I
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: thought you was a ref It was gonna be the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: person running up and down the court. I had no idea.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: My mom kind of she kept that private, she kept
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: that separate. She let us be kids. I love. So
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: that's hilarious. All right, let's break for halftime. We have
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: reached the halftime segment of the show. We're going to
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: play a couple of games with you.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Is that all right?
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: The first one is the thirty second shot clock. So
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you this or that questions. Wait, let's yeah,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I need you to get your timer out. I need
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: someone who can give me thirty seconds. That's what I need.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you this or that questions and you
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: got to answer rapid fie you read it. Hold on,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: let me get my clock. Okay, hold on, hold on,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: hold on, give me my thirty second countdown timer. All right,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: thirty five you're ready, hold on, hold on the anticipation right.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: None of these questions have been screened.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Oh oh no, no, I promise you set up trust.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: It's not a guy you these are. These are silly.
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  Speaker 1: We google some of the vote for Oh no, oh no,
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  Speaker 1: it definitely won't be that, right now, okay? And five
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  Speaker 1: Clap back or keep it pushing?
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Clap back?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Trader Joe's or Whole Foods, Whole Foods Live music or
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: DJ DJ Pull or Casino Pull or casinol. What happens
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in Vegas stays in Vegas or leaves bag fifteen seconds
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  Speaker 1: stays cash aprisel So is honesty always the best policy.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Yes or no?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Thirst Would you rather be thirsty in the desert or freezing?
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Thirsty in the desert, freezing in the blizzard?
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Freezing?
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was good casino.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the scond shoes casino. I'm at the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: pool all day and then I was thinking of these
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: questions in my sleep. I kid you not. I was
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: like yoga or the gym, like in my sleep. The
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: one that got me was thirsty in the desert or freezing.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And I'm blind and you're like you like I might freeze.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know what snow. I missed the snow.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: All right, So now we got to play family feud.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Love this okay, But the thing is we don't have
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: to do it a little get know, so I can't
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: leave the room, you know at the very end when
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: they do the fast money, that's what we're going to
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: be doing. But I can't. I'm not supposed to listen
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to your answers. Put on to I'm gonna go by
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the the honest code here and put on music like
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: that and not let you know. We're gonna listen to
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Cardi b we outside wow riah she right, my my
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: my word, no, no, that's you. Shouts meg, I love you.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: If you ever watched this is no I love you,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: love me your body. Let's switch. Please shout out to
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Glow too, I love glows. Shout out to My toxic
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: trait is thinking like I can I sound like glow specifically,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: that's my toxic trait. You could could? I could not?
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  Speaker 3: All right, Oh, I do it.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's do this.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna see if this really works. This is live
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you guys, this is this all right, so it is playing.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Let me okay, turn it up out, Okay, she's ready.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: You have.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Mar okay. So there's we're only going to do We're
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: only doing five one, two, three four five, right, okay,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to give you the topic and then yeah,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: wait is there a timer part of this? Excuse me.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Let's just go. Let's just go.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Are you ready?
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: Are ready?
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Okay? Name a popular car color black. Name the soda
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: that people like to drink Coca cola. Name of fruit
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: that people might eat for breakfast.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Strawberries.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Name something that people might only do once a week workout.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Name something that you might find a refrigerator.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Church.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, scratch that one. Name some of you might find
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: in the kitchen knives. Okay, that's it. Okay, Okay, we're done. Done.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I hope you did awful.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Let me get it.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, I better wing, y'all. I'm competitive.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: I want to keep Let me say, listen, we.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Have no control. We haven't look it over over. Are
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: you already? Zeke? I? I hope ze got zero points?
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I'm right bang sorry, alright, ready, I'm ready. I got
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: what do I get? Twenty seconds or twenty five with child?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know going in. Just just do it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Let's go. Name a popular color car black? Name another
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: one white? Okay? So do the people like to drink?
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Dr pepper?
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Coke? Coke? Coke?
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: No, now, I take cold? You said doctor pepper? Okay,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I said doctor pep coker PEPSI name of fruit people
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: for prekfice, banana. Name something people might only do once
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: a week, laundry, and something you might find in the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: kitchen I sink. Okay, let's take it off. See okay,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: here we go. I'm ting it up. I'm telling it up.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Hold on, this is fun. It's we're a little bit ghetto,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: but it's Okay, it's okay. We're doing We're doing the ghetto.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Steve Harvey, fabulous. We had the win.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, I gotta use a calculator because I can't do
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: mental math right now. All this, I feel like I won. Zeeke,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Okay, hover whoever you have to give me
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: a drink has to pay for drinks non drinking stuff. Okay,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, who I'm almost there, you guys,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: this is so much fun. I need a little music.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I'm just playing.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Mariah.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I'm going off the honor system because you did. You
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: have to go off your first answer. You can't change
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: the answer, you know, you definitely can't. I've seen people
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: noriah Mariah, Steve Harvey, Mariah change answer.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Maria.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: We are not changing answers. Okay, and here okay, okay,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I have it, Toto okay, so zeke the answers. Okay.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: So for the most popular color car, you chose black.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: That was twenty four points. For the popular soda, you
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: chose coke, which was the number one, which was thirty
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: nine points. The fruit that you chose was strawberries. That
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: was the fifth like that was my but it was
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: eight points and something people might do once a week.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: You set workout, so that's exercise. That was twenty one points.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: And you said name something that was in the kitchen.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: You said knives, and that was.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: That was zero.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: That was zero, So that was ninety two points. Wow, okay, Mariah,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: so you you don't even have to run through it,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: just tell me what I did. So, Mariah, the popular
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: color car you sat white. That was number first. That
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: was thirty five points. Soda you said thirty pepper, You
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: said doctor pepper. I changed it eleven points eleven okay.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: The fruit you said blueberries, I said banana. You said bananas.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Oh eighteen points. Oh well, yeah, you really did win.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: But thank you, all right, okay, and that is our time.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Hazy hazy, okay, okay. Question, what's one part about being
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: born to the game that you think would surprise people.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I think that people would be surprised to know that
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: just because you're born to the game does not mean
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: that you can necessarily hoop.
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, shouts to Jeff T've.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Jeff Tig gave me some shots on his podcast.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: He said that you know, Bronnie currently is holding it
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: down for the goats of all time. He said, you
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: know that I'm not good. He used different language. Marcus
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Jordan also not good. E j is not a hooper.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: But I'm gonna throw this out there. David Stockton, number
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: two all time in g League assists, it's pretty cool
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: that you know John's number one all time. An MBA assists,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I'm throwing out there. David Stockton, the goat of goaded.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Sons shout out to David. I love the answer. Okay.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's weird that they expect that you don't
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: have to be a best. You don't have to be
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: you know what. I think it is nice, but I
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: think it's worse. And I will say I think it's
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: worse for the boys. I think being a son of
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: a legend, people really have that expectation of you, not
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: so much of the daughters. I mean, they still have it,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: but I just think it's worse for you.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I wonder what Asia Wilson and BAM's.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Kid, Oh, bless look blessed. That child's hard. Already, child's
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: not even here. We already got to pray for him
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: because I know the ooh sure, okay, so let's go
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: into the yeah point. So there's always challenges in any
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: journey that you're on, you go from sixth grade to
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: tenth grade, you go from Indiana to New York. Talk
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: about some of the challenges and the things that you
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: had to face. You've kind of touched on a little
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: bit with the heartbreaking moves and things like that, but
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: just the challenges that stick out to you, and then
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: also how you overcame the challenges.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Well, there's still the challenges and the privileges. I can
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: remember being called a different type of black person, okay,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: and what that meant was that I was more than
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: welcome at my white friend's house. But I remember one
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: time my cousin, you know, he my cousin.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: You got you got priple, this your cousin or whatever.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Uh, but my cousin had braids. It was about six six,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: went to the same private school.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I did. You know, he's smart. I'm smart.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: But because he had braids and was six six, he
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: was not welcome at my white friend's house. And hearing that,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: processing that realizing that you're really only rocking.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: With me because of my last name.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Or your family is you know, my my friend at
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: the moment, he was like, I know this is wrong,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: but you.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Know, they knew.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: The kids knew this was wrong.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: But you can't really, you know, argue with the parent,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: but the kids knew it was wrong. And it's moments
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: like that that you still go through, even being a
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: privileged child. And when you are black in America, no
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: matter how much privilege you have, you are still reminded
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: that you are black in America.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: And I'm not going to get into that deeply, but
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Dad's recent experience, I think kind of reminded me of
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: that as well. Do you feel like but do you
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: feel like it? I mean, just to your point, do
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: you feel like it's certain it was certain parts or
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: do you like certain parts of the country, or do
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: you feel like it was just in general?
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, like that that happened in New York, Yeah, I
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: mean even in in Indiana.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely experienced racism, But that happened.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: In good old New York, you know, where you would think,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: you know, liberal, free mindset whatever and all that exists. Yes, yes,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: but when I was growing up, there was still.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: This status thing.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Now what I'm seeing in gen Z even though y'all, y'all, wow,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: y'all definitely are open minded to races, genders, identities, which
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: is cool to see because that didn't exist for me.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: So hopefully y'all can keep this going. And don't forget
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: where y'all came from, because there have been many people
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: who I know, who I grew up with, who were
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: down with me, down with black people, down with gay people.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden, they mag it all out.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: So just stay true to who you are.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: And just remember that, you know, because in times like this,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: black people need help, Latino people need help, Gay people
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: need help.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: It's like we.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: All, we all trying to with women in general need help.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: We all we wait each other, we all waken up.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: So let's just keep moving forward and stick together.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so how do you How did you move through
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the challenges? Like what was what did you learn? And
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: what what inside you happened to help you through those times?
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Moving through the challenges for me was relying on my family.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: I'm relying on history. I am a student of history.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I like I like to read, I like to just
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: know stuff. I'm always the person who is reading the
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: news in the morning, reading the New York Times Financial Times.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: That that's me. I post about politics.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I know y'all going to go on my Instagram, you
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: post about politics too much. I'm sorry, That's what I like.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: I like, like my friends like to post food on
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: their stories.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I like to post information on mine. Learning how to
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: navigate through all that, like how to truly be.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: The son of and then carve your own your own path.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: When we moved to New York and I was able
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: to be Zeke and able to step into being a DJ,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: able to step into being a creative, able to use
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: my activism voice. You know, my family's full of activists.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I got sexually assaulted and was able to
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: use my platform for change, for positive change, and I.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Want to keep doing that. I'm not afraid to.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: As my man JV said, stand on business period.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Is it clocked for that?
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: And that perfectly segues into our next segment for the
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: now and next. So your experience helped create this version
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: of Zeke today. Right, So where are you now? You
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: talk about being an activist, know that you are in
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: human rights and mental health awareness. So did that experience
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: in New York help I guess spark this passion of
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: yours to go into activism or you know, your music
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: kind of talk us through that.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: My experience in New York allowed me to see that
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I have a voice that can impact. You know, I
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: told you all my dad was on the newspaper almost
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: every other day, and what that showed me was, Okay,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason, people are paying attention to him, Now
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: they're paying attention to you. I remember getting followed by
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: the New York Post of school, getting followed by the media,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: getting asked question this, and getting my phone number and stuff,
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: and then finally saying something and then seeing it in print,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: being like, oh shit, yeah, I'm in the New York Post. Wow,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I have a voice, even though my parents are like,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: why did you do that? Yeah, But at that moment realizing, okay,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I have impact. Now if I pick my moments and act.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Right, lead, right, respect, my duty.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Does that word again?
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Now I can truly have an impact. Now I can
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: sit on the boards of you know, Normal, you know,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: I represent weed. Y'all, sorry, get into it, you.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Know, tell, tell, tell the viewers what you're doing all
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: of the you know, all the things that you're doing
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: with your.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sit on the board of Normal.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Nineteen seventy three and doing cannabis legislation fighting. It's one
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: of the one of the things that truly I believe
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: can set us free as a Black people, as just
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: a community in general, is connecting back with the plant.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Also in pagn Sheriline Champagne, it's been all surfed away.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: That's why we were all looking like glasses.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: That we drank them already, we drank them.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: And also one World Products.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: We're doing great things in the bio hemp space with
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Stilantis and some mutal automakers. Really just trying to turn sustainability.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: And you know, everything I do is trying.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: To move the world forward.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: And if I can leave that imprint on the world
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: and that imprint on individuals, I love.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I love mentoring people. If y'all want to hit me up.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: I charged five dollars an idea, But you know y'all
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: can hit me up.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I mean twenty now, I'll give you a hobby. I
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: can do it. So where do you see yourself in
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: five years? And then we'll transition into the last segment.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I'm fortunate enough right now to be able to work
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: around the NBA. So in five years, hopefully I'm still
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: working around the NBA doing the thing that I love,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: which is basketball. And if not, I tell you what.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: In five years's still going to bring in, bringing my
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: folding share. I'm still gonna be sitting in these rooms
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: telling people to vote. I'm still gonna be sitting in
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  Speaker 3: these rooms talking about equal rights. I'm still gonna be
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  Speaker 3: sitting in these rooms talking about l G V T
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  Speaker 3: Q I A plus right, okay.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm still gonna be getting in magas Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But he said, but I like what he said. He said,
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  Speaker 1: he's gonna be in the room. He's gonna be in
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  Speaker 1: the room, going to be in the room. And if
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  Speaker 1: you have to bring your voting share in, Mars and
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  Speaker 1: Mars him and Mars him, and they're going to show up.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a lot more than people do. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: love that. Yes, man, I had something I was want
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  Speaker 1: to say because looking at him, he smiles just like
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  Speaker 1: his dad look at him. But you know what, that
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: perfectly segues into reflection. So you said that your dad,
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  Speaker 1: you were like at your dad's hip and you have
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  Speaker 1: you just described this beautiful love story.
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  Speaker 2: Always that is hip. I mean, I knew trades before
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  Speaker 2: they were going.
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  Speaker 3: I knew trades before woj Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. So you're attached to his hip, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you look up to him. He's your guy. So if
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: there's anything you could say to him, what would it be?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for allowing me to grow. Thank you for allowing.
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  Speaker 2: Me to make mistakes.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for catching me when I made those mistakes.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for brushing me off and believing in me
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  Speaker 3: enough to let me go out and make those mistakes again.
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  Speaker 3: I really thank you for rocking with me, believing in me.
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  Speaker 3: And this is the greatest time of my life and
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad that I get to share it with you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God, make me cry. You look so happy
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  Speaker 1: saying you do the joy when you talk about your
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: dad like it literally you just like him, and then
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: you light up. So I know that through the times
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: you've had so many just times with him and talking
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: with him. What's some of the best advice he's ever
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: given you? Should we be worried?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Should we pause and talk about this?
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  Speaker 3: There's three things that my dad taught me, big advice
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  Speaker 3: that I will stick by. Number One, the one you
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: love the most has the ability to hurt you the most.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah wow wow. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Number Two, the same effort you put into.
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  Speaker 3: It is what you're gonna get out of it.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 2: And number three, just smile.
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  Speaker 1: Just wait, you just smile, just smiling. Just Brian's up
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  Speaker 1: your day, even if you're in a bad mood. Just
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  Speaker 1: that's that's great. A shout out to Isaiah so Zeke.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Your dad made his mark on the game basketball. How
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: do you plan on legendizing your world?
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: It is a duty for me to leave a mark
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  Speaker 3: on the world. It is a duty for me to
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  Speaker 3: use my voice to speak out for equal rights and
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: equal justice.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Under the wall?
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  Speaker 3: How I plan on leaving my mark on the world?
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  Speaker 2: And do I feel a duty? Is it?
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Is there some luck involved? There's definitely luck involved in life.
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  Speaker 3: You have to follow it and you have to stay
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  Speaker 3: true to it. And I'm staying true to my duty
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  Speaker 3: of fighting for equal rights and hopefully that brings me
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  Speaker 3: a lot of luck.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Will said, well, thank you for joining us today on
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Borne to the Game. I'm your host Mariah and I'm
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  Speaker 1: Tamara Peyton and we'll see you next time on Born
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  Speaker 1: to the Game podcast.