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Speaker 1: Welcome the Late Debates.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: I'm Free Lee, joined by Holly Hughes and Joe Hildebrand
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Speaker 3: filling in for Caleb Bond and James McPherson. Here's what's
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Speaker 3: coming up on the Late Debate tonight, President Trump versus
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Speaker 3: Elon Musk. The bromance is dead, but the feud is
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Speaker 3: back with a vengeance, a major win for free speech
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Speaker 3: in Australia following a court decision against E Safety Commissioner
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Speaker 3: Julie Inman Grand Plus, the ABC struggles to understand that
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Speaker 3: many young women want to stay home and be mothers.
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Speaker 3: But we start the program tonight with Trump and Elon's
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Speaker 3: broken romance, which are spiraled into yet another all out war.
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Speaker 3: Just before Trump's signature Big Beautiful Bill was due to
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Speaker 3: pass the Senate, Musk posted on x that he would
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Speaker 3: challenge any Republican who voted for the bill in the
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Speaker 3: next primaries.
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Speaker 2: Then he the stakes even further, saying.
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Speaker 3: He would create an entirely new political party called the
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Speaker 3: America Party to rival the Republicans if the bill passed.
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Speaker 3: Trump hit back at Mask, threatening to pull billions worth
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Speaker 3: of contracts and subsidies the Musk's company receives from the
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Speaker 3: US government.
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Speaker 4: He's upset, he is that he's losing his evy mandate
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Speaker 4: and music scept Yeah, he's very upset about things. But
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Speaker 4: you know he can lose a lot more than that that.
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Speaker 4: You tell you right, Elon can lose a lot more
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Speaker 4: than that. We might have to put doze on Elon.
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Speaker 4: You know, you know doj Dojh's a monster that that
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Speaker 4: might have to go back and eat Elon.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: I understand Elon is concerned about levels of government spending.
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Speaker 2: Last year, the US spent more on.
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Speaker 3: Interest payments than on defense. But Trump does have other
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Speaker 3: election promises to fulfill, and the bill contains the largest
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Speaker 3: tank cuts in American history.
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Speaker 2: It allocates billions.
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Speaker 3: To finishing the border wall, It's going to hire ten
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Speaker 3: thousand new ice agents, and fulfill a raft of other
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Speaker 3: election commitments, all while making one point six trillion dollars
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Speaker 3: in savings. So when you look at that on the whole,
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Speaker 3: I mean, is this just another case of another person
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Speaker 3: contracting Trump arrangement syndrome.
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Speaker 5: I just always saw this as two alpha males and
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Speaker 5: it was never going to end. Well, you knew at
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Speaker 5: some stage in the game one ego was going to
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Speaker 5: get taken over by the other ego. I think when
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Speaker 5: it comes to the big beautiful buildo, Elon has got
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Speaker 5: a significant issue with it in the sense that a
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Speaker 5: lot of the green subsidies are going to be removed,
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Speaker 5: a lot of that money that was going to things
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Speaker 5: like solar evs of obviously which Tesla was a significant
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Speaker 5: benefactor of, there are going to be great cuts there.
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Speaker 6: So, you know, I think there's a.
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Speaker 5: Little bit of posturing, a little bit of chest bumping,
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Speaker 5: a bit of you know, I'm not going to back
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Speaker 5: down first. But I think when it's you know, it's
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Speaker 5: getting to the rhetoric of oh, deport him the new party,
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Speaker 5: I almost got flashbacks to how we've had some of
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Speaker 5: those things happen in Australia when billionaires don't get their
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Speaker 5: way so decide to set up their own party. Doesn't
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Speaker 5: tend to go very well in the long run. But
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Speaker 5: you know, when heys, I'm going to set doge on him,
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Speaker 5: and you know the monster that might on it.
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Speaker 6: I don't know. I've just got this vision of the
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Speaker 6: cookie monster coming out with going back, eating all the testlets,
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Speaker 6: you know, eating.
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Speaker 5: Up all the bills, that he wants to get rid
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Speaker 5: of something. I don't know, that's where my mind went.
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Speaker 7: It is.
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Speaker 8: The thing is, I mean, every zoo keeper knows, you know,
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Speaker 8: you don't put two male lines in the same cage,
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Speaker 8: you don't put two bulls in the same paddock. And again,
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Speaker 8: it was always always always going to happen. I think
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Speaker 8: it actually also it sort of exposes the strange And
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Speaker 8: again I'm not anti Trump. Some of the crazy stuff
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Speaker 8: he does clearly works, like in Iran. Obviously I'm not
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Speaker 8: fond of the tariffs, which is other crazy stuff that is.
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Speaker 1: Crippling the world economy.
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Speaker 8: But it just goes to show what a strange grab
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Speaker 8: bag of ideologies the new Republican Party is. And I
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Speaker 8: think it also exposes a bit of hypocrisy on the right,
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Speaker 8: where you know, they bang on and on about you know,
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Speaker 8: the country's not living within its means, and the deficits
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Speaker 8: too high, and you're wasting all this money on interest payments,
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Speaker 8: but we still have to have tax cuts no matter what,
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Speaker 8: and so well, which is it? You know, clearly, you
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Speaker 8: know money is a zero sum game. Ultimately you have
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Speaker 8: to make sacrifices. Then you'll say, all right, well, we've
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Speaker 8: got to cut wasteful spending. You know, we can't have
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Speaker 8: the government handing out, say, all these subsidies. But who's
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Speaker 8: the guy in charge of cutting all the wasteful spending
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Speaker 8: the same guy who's getting the governor subsidies, government subsidies
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Speaker 8: for his ev business, and suddenly that it doesn't like
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Speaker 8: that anymore. So I think it's just, you know, I'm
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Speaker 8: not sure if there's a real sort of strong cohesive
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Speaker 8: policy narrative in the the Trump Musk administruction.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I think if you look at Trump though, when you
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Speaker 5: look at what he is investing in, whether it's the
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Speaker 5: border wall, and what he would sees the ice agents
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Speaker 5: and working on that illegal immigration front, and what he's
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Speaker 5: done with regards to the trade around fentanyl and in
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Speaker 5: the ovoid epidemic, I think, you know, he would look
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Speaker 5: at some of that that are going to be cost
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Speaker 5: savings into the HUT as opposed to what the original
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Speaker 5: cost is going to be.
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Speaker 3: And the bill does contain and this is where I
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Speaker 3: don't really understand Musk's argument, because the bill does contain
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Speaker 3: one point six trillion dollars in savings, and when the
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Speaker 3: bill was rated by the White House, there are a
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Speaker 3: few different ways bills are raided or with different measurements,
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Speaker 3: of course, as economists love to do, but they're also
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Speaker 3: not taking into account the revenue raised from all the tariffs.
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Speaker 3: So when you actually look at the full economic picture
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Speaker 3: of Trump's policies, I mean, it's been a remarkable success
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Speaker 3: despite what all the economists have been saying about the tariff.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, except the tariffs are like that kind of like
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Speaker 8: the Greens plan to just put you know, tax billity aires.
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Speaker 8: The target doesn't just say if you say, right, I'm
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Speaker 8: going to point my gun over at you and I'm
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Speaker 8: going to shoot you in the head, and that means
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Speaker 8: you're going to be dead. That person isn't going to
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Speaker 8: just stand there. So if you go after billionaires. I
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Speaker 8: have no personal experience in shooting people in there. But
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Speaker 8: the point if you target someone and they know that
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Speaker 8: you're coming for them, what are they going to do?
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Speaker 8: They're going to move, They're going to move their money,
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Speaker 8: They're going to move their money elsewhere.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 8: So if you're talking about Trump raising money from tariffs,
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Speaker 8: or it may just be that other that the country's
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Speaker 8: just simply stopped trading with the US as much.
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Speaker 5: But I think he's saying it is reinvigorating. And then
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Speaker 5: if industry in which of jobs and bringing the.
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Speaker 8: Work, I think I think once you see the cost
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Speaker 8: of making a car in America, and I know it
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Speaker 8: is a big problem compared to making a car in spense, Well.
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Speaker 3: There are some things that you literally can't make in America,
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Speaker 3: like smartphones, which they're discovering, but other things there have
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Speaker 3: been billions and billions and billions of dollars of commitments
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Speaker 3: from companies bringing manufacturing back to the US. So it'll
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Speaker 3: be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Speaker 2: But Trump also.
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Speaker 3: Took a tour of Florida's newly built Alligator Alcatraz. This
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Speaker 3: is a camp for illegal migrants surrounded by an alligator
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Speaker 3: infested swap that should deter a couple runaways.
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Speaker 2: But while he was there, Trump made this hilarious comment.
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Speaker 1: No, but this is air conditioned facility.
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Speaker 8: So if any of the news claims are keeping him
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Speaker 8: out in the hot hum itself Florida, that is wrong.
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Speaker 1: It's twelve sixty two.
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Speaker 4: The three here to be on preserv Hey Biden wanted
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Speaker 4: me in here.
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Speaker 1: Okay, he wanted me.
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Speaker 4: It didn't work out that way, but he wanted me in.
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Speaker 2: Here, So now we laugh.
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Speaker 3: But it is true that Trump was targeted in an
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Speaker 3: unprecedented way. He was the first former president to be
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Speaker 3: indicted on criminal charges. He had to find four criminal
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Speaker 3: cases while Biden was president, and he was potentially facing
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Speaker 3: a life sentence if convicted, and now he's seemingly prevailed
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Speaker 3: as the ultimate underdog.
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Speaker 2: It's pretty incredible.
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Speaker 5: Look that whole tour was just magnificent, and it was
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Speaker 5: just beautiful. I don't know if you've ever been to Florida,
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Speaker 5: but I was there twenty one years ago.
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Speaker 6: And we were in this.
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Speaker 5: Gated community and there was a lake there and literally
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Speaker 5: when you walked out, you weren't allowed to go too
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Speaker 5: far down on the lawn because there were just alligators that.
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Speaker 6: Will come out.
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Speaker 5: And it's it's an extraordinary place, and I think it's
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Speaker 5: incredible when you look at where they've got it. The
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Speaker 5: costs of actually containing people there are very small because
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Speaker 5: if anyone escapes, they've got a very limited life span
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Speaker 5: after that.
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Speaker 1: It's like Alcatraz.
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Speaker 8: The original Alcatraz in San Francisco Bay was surrounded by
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Speaker 8: shark infested waters. Yeah, yeah, but with sharks in it,
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Speaker 8: that's a scareer. I'll take my chances with the water.
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Speaker 8: I won't take my chances with the sharks. But did
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Speaker 8: you know fun fact alligators can't eat adult humans.
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Speaker 1: They actually can't. Yeah, they can't alligate it.
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Speaker 6: Do they do with them?
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Speaker 1: Well, that's good, they don't need them. They can't.
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Speaker 2: You might be mold to death, but you won't be.
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Speaker 1: No, you don't get more.
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Speaker 8: No, they can only eat like things that are about
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Speaker 8: as big as your kind of fist, like the little
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Speaker 8: turtles and stuff. So any detayns, go for it. Take
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Speaker 8: your chances.
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Speaker 6: The Psons that are all worried, they're many money.
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Speaker 8: So what you'd be doing, I'd feel just like the
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Speaker 8: Crocodile's obviously very different story if you're watching this in
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Speaker 8: the NT.
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Speaker 2: Very very different.
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Speaker 3: Well. Meanwhile, former MSNBC host Joy Read compared the Distention
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Speaker 3: Center to a modern day concentration camp.
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Speaker 7: I had to forget about him, but Ron DeSantis is
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Speaker 7: still governor of Florida. He took the Comfy Couch hosts
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Speaker 7: on a tour of the concentration camp that he's building
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Speaker 7: in Florida in order to round up people brown people
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Speaker 7: and throw them in a camp. Because he doesn't want
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Speaker 7: them in Florida. Surprise, surprise, the economy of Florida is
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Speaker 7: going to be severely harmed by rounding up brown people.
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Speaker 3: Concentration camp, rounding up brown people. I mean serious, When
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Speaker 3: will the Democrats understand that hyperbolic comparisons of Trump to
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Speaker 3: the Nazis is not only deeply offensive, but it also
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Speaker 3: weakens their own argument because it's so absurd and obviously untrue.
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Speaker 6: But also, what is the comfy couch group?
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Speaker 2: I still don't know get that.
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Speaker 5: I don't understand what that. I mean, Maybe it's an
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Speaker 5: American term. I don't know what that means.
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Speaker 1: Does you mean that he was comfortable while they were
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Speaker 1: all suffering?
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Speaker 6: The couch? I don't know. Maybe they've got king furniture.
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Speaker 6: I don't know.
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Speaker 5: But you know, it just seems very strange that something
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Speaker 5: that's air conditioned, a brand new facility, we know what
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Speaker 5: occurred in concentration camps. To even draw those parallels is
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Speaker 5: just disgusting and just it is so dismissive and undermining
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Speaker 5: of what the.
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Speaker 6: Holocaust actually was. And you know that this is why
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Speaker 6: the woman.
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Speaker 3: Was fired, and this is this is for illegal migrants.
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Speaker 3: The Holocaust was about genociding innocent people, like a fundamental difference.
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Speaker 8: I mean, clearly she has no understanding of what concentration
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Speaker 8: camps are or the Holocaust. I mean, the truth is
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Speaker 8: concentration camps, and what we see is, you know, what
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Speaker 8: we remember is the death camps. Places like Auschwitz and
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Speaker 8: boot Wold, and those kinds of places are actually kind
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Speaker 8: of two different things. Like the first concentration camps were
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Speaker 8: actually introduced by the British in the Boa War at
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Speaker 8: the beginning of the twentieth century, and they did terrible things,
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Speaker 8: but they were they were basically rounding up the farmers,
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Speaker 8: the bows in South Africa, they were fighting and sticking
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Speaker 8: them all in a camp in a highly concentrated way.
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Speaker 1: Hence the term concentration camps.
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Speaker 8: And so so I don't know what joy Reader is
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Speaker 8: talking about, but in a sense like at a purely well, yes,
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Speaker 8: when you take a whole bunch of people and you
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Speaker 8: round them up and you detain them, almost by definition,
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Speaker 8: that is a concentration camp because there are lots of
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Speaker 8: people concentrated there. If she is actually trying to make
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Speaker 8: some kind of analogous comparison with Nazi death camps, which
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Speaker 8: I suspect she's probably trying to do as opposed to
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Speaker 8: just state the older actually follows on with the brain
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Speaker 8: that is clearly like the brown people and Elon Musk,
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Speaker 8: so you know it could be both.
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Speaker 1: He could be in there anytime now.
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Speaker 8: So that that is just absolutely disgraceful, and I think
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Speaker 8: fundamentally misunderstands what the Holocaust was and the purpose behind.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I find the endless comparisons that Democrats keep trying
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Speaker 3: to draw with the nazis just repulsive. But look in
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Speaker 3: better news. While Elon Musk is not beefing with Trump
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Speaker 3: on X, he's actually delivering some victories for common sense
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Speaker 3: and free speech. The E Safety Commissioner tried to silence
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Speaker 3: a Canadian activist, Christopher Elston, for daring to criticize the
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Speaker 3: appointment of transgender activist Teddy Cook to a World Health
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Speaker 3: organization panel. Elson pointed out the absurdity that you've got
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Speaker 3: people who deny biological realities dictating what global health policy
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Speaker 3: should be. His expost said, this woman is part of
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Speaker 3: panel of twenty experts hired by the WHO to draft
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Speaker 3: their policy on caring for trans people. People who belong
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Speaker 3: in psychiatric wards are writing the guidelines for people who
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Speaker 3: belong in psychiatric wards. Now, that could be definitely offensive
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Speaker 3: to some people, but is it the role of an
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Speaker 3: unelected bureaucrat to censor offensive content? Predictably, Australia's e Nanny
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Speaker 3: labeled this as harmful and tried to erase it from
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Speaker 3: the Internet. But thankfully sanity prevailed and free speech lives
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Speaker 3: on for one more day. The court essentially found that yes,
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Speaker 3: it might be offensive, but we can't outlaw offensive speech.
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Speaker 3: And this seems like massive overreach from the Safety Commissioner,
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Speaker 3: whose job is to I think very reasonably take down
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Speaker 3: things like child exploitation material, that kind of stuff. But
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Speaker 3: when it's about political moves and censorship of speech that
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Speaker 3: crosses a line.
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Speaker 5: I am so sick of Julie immngrant I just I
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Speaker 5: don't know even know where to start. And we know
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Speaker 5: that there was just a US Congressional report that actually
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Speaker 5: had copies of emails from her that she was trying
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Speaker 5: to regulate free speech on X working with the Global
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Speaker 5: Alliance for Responsible Media. Now, in my view, as soon
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Speaker 5: as an organization has global in its headline, you know
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Speaker 5: it's not good. It's not for you, it's not for
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Speaker 5: normal people, it's not for freedom of speech or any
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Speaker 5: freedom if however, Look, you know, I'm a big fan
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Speaker 5: of the UN too, not so you know who is
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Speaker 5: up there on one of my organizations I'm not really
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Speaker 5: a big fan of. But this is the woman who
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Speaker 5: wants to ban YouTube as part of the social media band,
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Speaker 5: who clearly doesn't understand what YouTube is, the education purposes
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Speaker 5: that it actually has, and the fact that you can
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Speaker 5: actually find out how to do anything on YouTube and
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Speaker 5: so many kids use it. You, of course this needs
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Speaker 5: to be regulation, but I'm so sick of this woman.
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Speaker 5: She's clearly not in favor of free speech. She's been
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Speaker 5: given too much power, too much relevance. And you know,
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Speaker 5: we've learned that these top fat cats in camera are
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Speaker 5: getting paid sixteen million dollars for seventeen of them. I
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Speaker 5: don't know what she's getting paid, but it's certainly time.
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Speaker 5: I think we could look for someone else with a
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Speaker 5: little more sense than perhaps a lower pay package.
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Speaker 3: And I think it really does undermine the role of
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Speaker 3: the office. And I understand why the e Safety Commission
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Speaker 3: was established. The stuff you see online, particularly around child
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Speaker 3: exploitation material now were seeing deep fakes made with AI
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Speaker 3: and this is causing genuine, serious harm to people. But
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Speaker 3: when bureaucracies overstep their actual manday and going after people's
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Speaker 3: freedom of speech for simply pointing out that this person
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Speaker 3: is a biological woman and criticizing their appointment to the
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Speaker 3: Weld Health Organization. Yes it's offensive, but this undermines the
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Speaker 3: actual office of the safety Commissioner.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's coming.
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Speaker 8: I think the exacty commissioner does do good work, like
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Speaker 8: you said, targeting things like you know, deep fakes, revenge porn,
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Speaker 8: and indeed you know people targeting and grooming kids online
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Speaker 8: as well. And I support the social media ban, although
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Speaker 8: I don't think it should be extended to YouTube. I
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Speaker 8: think Julian mcgrant has the best intention thing. Oh if
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Speaker 8: I could just have a magic wind and wave away
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Speaker 8: everything that's harmful, no one would ever get harmed ever again,
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Speaker 8: and everyone would be happy. The problem is once you
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Speaker 8: have that magic wind.
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Speaker 6: But she wants to decide.
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Speaker 1: What's that's right. The problem The problem is that's exactly right.
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Speaker 8: You're putting all that that's right, so you're not actually
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Speaker 8: getting rid of hate speech or whatever it is. You're
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Speaker 8: just making it subjective and you're just giving it leading
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Speaker 8: up to someone to decide. The problem when you try
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Speaker 8: to ban people like Billboard Chris as he calls himself,
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Speaker 8: is that you then have a debate not about whether
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Speaker 8: what he's saying is right or wrong or correct, but
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Speaker 8: whether or not it should be banned, or whether or
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Speaker 8: not he should have the right to say things, and
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Speaker 8: if they are right or are incorrect. And I would
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Speaker 8: say and he is wrong about a lot of the
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Speaker 8: things he said, but this has been lost in an
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Speaker 8: argument over whether or not you should be allowed to say.
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Speaker 3: And the Safety Commissioner doesn't just want to regulate speech.
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Speaker 3: And when Bishop Murray Murray got stabbed, the video was
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Speaker 3: all over X she tried to get it taken down
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Speaker 3: all over the world. So it's not just Australian content
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Speaker 3: she's trying to regulate, it's the entire globe, which is absurd,
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Speaker 3: but by.
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Speaker 2: Job, that's job.
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Speaker 3: But thankfully there is some justice in the world, and
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Speaker 3: definitely justice for women in the US at last, the
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Speaker 3: Trump administration is dismantling the so called transinclusive policies that
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Speaker 3: really did nothing but exclude and disadvantage real women. The
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Speaker 3: University of Pennsylvania has agreed to revoke the swimming titles
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Speaker 3: of transgender athlete Leah Thomas. The university will also issue
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Speaker 3: a formal apology to every biological female who lost out
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Speaker 3: to a trans competitor.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: The university was forced to do this because the Department
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Speaker 3: of Education and their Office for Civil Rights found that
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Speaker 3: the university violated Title nine by denying biological women equal
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Speaker 3: opportunity to sport. Now, Leah Thomas was someone who was
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Speaker 3: a biological male. He she started doing hormones in twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 3: switched from the male swim team to the female swim team,
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Speaker 3: and then miraculously won.
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Speaker 2: The national championship.
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Speaker 3: This is a small step in the right direction, but
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Speaker 3: it is huge vindication for the biological women who've been
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Speaker 3: fighting for their rights for years, and to finally have
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Speaker 3: an apology from the university and some justice, this is amazing.
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Speaker 6: Look, it's good to say that that's come.
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Speaker 5: I have no doubt they were dragged their kicking and
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Speaker 5: screaming in many ways. But I feel for so many
18:43
Speaker 5: of the women who have actually ran these races, swam
18:46
Speaker 5: these races, already been involved in these sports and not
18:50
Speaker 5: had the opportunity to be successful, not have the opportunity
18:53
Speaker 5: to win. Now, these titles might be removed, you know,
18:56
Speaker 5: so that their name goes up on the list now now,
19:00
Speaker 5: but at the time they never got the ability to
19:03
Speaker 5: enjoy success or experience that win, and that was what
19:06
Speaker 5: was taken away from these women. I hope universities, sporting clubs,
19:10
Speaker 5: and anyone else who thinks that this is appropriate, that
19:14
Speaker 5: biological men should be allowed to compete in sport with
19:18
Speaker 5: real biological women and just declare their gender, that this isn't.
19:22
Speaker 6: Going to continue.
19:23
Speaker 5: Look, I've always felt if people are trans want to
19:25
Speaker 5: compete in sport, that's why let's have an open division.
19:28
Speaker 5: Let's have a you know, you can have a separate
19:31
Speaker 5: division if that's what they need, where these people can
19:34
Speaker 5: go and compete, not necessarily putting them up against biological women.
19:38
Speaker 5: But I do feel for the women who lost out
19:40
Speaker 5: on the opportunity of having a win and being successful.
19:43
Speaker 3: Well, there have actually been attempts by some sporting codes
19:46
Speaker 3: to have a transgender division, but there was very little
19:49
Speaker 3: interest naturally because you're catering to such a tiny portion
19:53
Speaker 3: of the population. So Joe, in Australia, we really don't
19:58
Speaker 3: have any protections for women's sports, and you're starting to
20:01
Speaker 3: hear of some cases where you do have trans athletes
20:04
Speaker 3: beating biological females. Is it time we look at better
20:08
Speaker 3: protecting women's sport here?
20:10
Speaker 8: Yeah, I feel really I actually feel really sorry for
20:14
Speaker 8: the majority of trans people because I think they've been
20:16
Speaker 8: sort of swept up.
20:17
Speaker 1: I think there are those who.
20:18
Speaker 8: Have absolute, genuine gender dysphoria, who completely feel like they
20:22
Speaker 8: were born in the wrong body and has been hell
20:24
Speaker 8: for them for years and years and years, and you know,
20:27
Speaker 8: finally there's there's an element of recognition and there's an
20:29
Speaker 8: element of medical expertise that can intervene and you know,
20:34
Speaker 8: deliver them from a life of just horror and pain
20:38
Speaker 8: and possibly even suicide that we can't even imagine. And
20:42
Speaker 8: yet their cause, I think has been taken up with
20:45
Speaker 8: such kind of militant activism that it's actually been counterproductive
20:49
Speaker 8: for them.
20:50
Speaker 1: And I think the case.
20:51
Speaker 8: Of trans women in sport is just a really really
20:56
Speaker 8: good one. The idea that you could have someone who
20:59
Speaker 8: was old athlete or a relatively unsuccessful athlete in one
21:04
Speaker 8: sex and because sex and gender are two different things,
21:06
Speaker 8: but and then and then transitions and becomes another one
21:10
Speaker 8: and it is suddenly very successful it doesn't.
21:12
Speaker 1: You don't have to be.
21:13
Speaker 8: A cold hearted you know, Sherlock Holmes and logician to
21:17
Speaker 8: think that something may be a bit suss about that. Yeah,
21:21
Speaker 8: that's right, clearly that is and so and again you
21:25
Speaker 8: could say, and then you have people say no, no,
21:27
Speaker 8: you have to accept this.
21:28
Speaker 1: You have to accept all of this.
21:29
Speaker 8: You have to accept it without question, otherwise you're transphobing.
21:32
Speaker 8: And I just think, and then people are going to
21:34
Speaker 8: get their back.
21:34
Speaker 6: Left wing activists being extremist.
21:37
Speaker 1: That's right, And that's that's the whole problem. Which that's right.
21:41
Speaker 8: It's the same with all this moronic you know, academic
21:44
Speaker 8: stuff where these people just sit around for palace knitting
21:47
Speaker 8: circles and African drumming circles and just sort of whiddle
21:50
Speaker 8: away theoretical sociological theory until they come up with seventy
21:54
Speaker 8: two genders. All right, you have to accept that there
21:57
Speaker 8: are seventy two genders. Otherwise you're transphobing or you're And
22:00
Speaker 8: again people are just going to say, well, in that case,
22:02
Speaker 8: if you I'm not taking any of it, and that
22:05
Speaker 8: cuts out you know, the vast number of the people
22:08
Speaker 8: who are absolutely you know, and the same with the
22:11
Speaker 8: elements of contagion where people just to decide they're you know,
22:13
Speaker 8: transfluid or whatever it is, and then decide, actually, no,
22:16
Speaker 8: I'm not after all, because I want to settle down
22:17
Speaker 8: half kids.
22:18
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well it does seem like we're kind of
22:20
Speaker 3: moving back to a common sense position where reality and
22:23
Speaker 3: biological reality prevails. But there also seems to be a
22:26
Speaker 3: bit of an anti woke theme tonight.
22:29
Speaker 2: And you know, if you go woke, you go broke.
22:32
Speaker 3: Last year, Jaguars set the record for the worst rebrand
22:36
Speaker 3: in history, and now their sales have collapsed by ninety
22:41
Speaker 3: eight percent in Europe. Watch this ad and I'm sure
22:45
Speaker 3: you'll agree with us that this is the worst rebrand ever.
23:05
Speaker 3: You're ticking every woke bucks here. You've got the androgynous,
23:09
Speaker 3: weird things on like some foreign planets. I mean, do
23:14
Speaker 3: they even sell cars from this?
23:16
Speaker 2: And you wouldn't know, You wouldn't, actually would not.
23:21
Speaker 5: Well, you know, they're not selling cars because apparently the
23:24
Speaker 5: cars that this was all designed, this advertising campaign is
23:27
Speaker 5: designed for, are so far behind production they're actually not
23:31
Speaker 5: even there for them to sell because they've gone completely
23:34
Speaker 5: to ev models. Now, you know, I've always thought jag
23:38
Speaker 5: was a little bit a lovely. They were beautiful cars,
23:42
Speaker 5: but a little bit daggy. They would never sort of
23:44
Speaker 5: really it was kind of a jag. I just don't
23:48
Speaker 5: think Jags ever really going to be seen as the
23:50
Speaker 5: cutting edge cool car. But now they're pink and avs
23:54
Speaker 5: and there's blokes in orange frock selling it.
23:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Jags were always the classic up a class
24:00
Speaker 3: sort of British iconic.
24:02
Speaker 2: Can'tablishment establishment can't.
24:05
Speaker 3: And it's like, I mean, whoever did this marketing needs
24:07
Speaker 3: to be fired asap because clearly they don't know who
24:11
Speaker 3: their customer base is. It's not young ev driving lefties
24:15
Speaker 3: that are buying Jaguars, believe me, that's right.
24:18
Speaker 1: I think I remember that. I remember the ad first
24:21
Speaker 1: came out.
24:21
Speaker 8: And the people that Jagon people who are commissioned the
24:23
Speaker 8: ad and everything, and the people who did like, oh no,
24:26
Speaker 8: we're actually really happy with it. Just watch this space,
24:29
Speaker 8: you know. This is part of this old sort of
24:30
Speaker 8: end of the air. We watch the space, and the
24:32
Speaker 8: space is now very very efty, ninety eight percent less
24:35
Speaker 8: than it was. But but again it's just that same
24:39
Speaker 8: thing of I don't want to sound like old funny Daddy,
24:42
Speaker 8: but it is that same thing instead of just saying, listen,
24:44
Speaker 8: this is my story, and I know I'm unusual, but
24:49
Speaker 8: getting people to actually understand trans issues or androgyness is
24:53
Speaker 8: or whatever, you know, people who want to wear strange
24:55
Speaker 8: late ex triangles whatever.
24:57
Speaker 1: But instead of say.
24:58
Speaker 8: This is the future, this is what everyone is now
25:01
Speaker 8: and if you're not on board, then you know you're
25:04
Speaker 8: you know, old dinosaur grandpa and actually most of us
25:07
Speaker 8: are kind of quite happy to be dinosaurs.
25:10
Speaker 6: Don't want to, you know, we don't want to dress
25:11
Speaker 6: like the Jetsits no.
25:13
Speaker 3: And it's also just not a nice ad. It's not
25:17
Speaker 3: aesthetically pleasing, it's.
25:18
Speaker 1: A great looking.
25:20
Speaker 3: It's like some futuristic aliens pr It's terrible. But in
25:25
Speaker 3: other news, back here in Australia, the ABC has finally
25:29
Speaker 3: discovered that many women want.
25:31
Speaker 2: To be wait for it, mothers.
25:35
Speaker 7: Yeah.
25:35
Speaker 3: They published a one thousand, two hundred word article which
25:39
Speaker 3: is an in depth examination one of the biggest online
25:43
Speaker 3: trends among Gen Z and millennial women being traad wives,
25:48
Speaker 3: which in other terms just means being a mum.
25:53
Speaker 7: Here's everything my one year old eats in a day.
25:56
Speaker 1: No, every day looks the same and she eats whatever
25:58
Speaker 1: we're eating.
25:59
Speaker 2: I don't make it extra meals here in my kitchen,
26:02
Speaker 2: and I am about to make some homemade Cinnamono's crunchy cereal.
26:05
Speaker 2: I go, Chloe, you're too old to be stucking your thumb.
26:07
Speaker 2: She goes, I'm not old through an old lady.
26:12
Speaker 8: Technically, they are like AMR trad wife influencers married to
26:16
Speaker 8: millionaires who'll spend all their time like they're the Megan
26:19
Speaker 8: Markel tradwise, except they vote Republican.
26:21
Speaker 6: Yeah.
26:21
Speaker 3: Well, there are many different forms of the tradwife movement takes,
26:25
Speaker 3: but essentially it's mums who, instead of wanting to embrace
26:29
Speaker 3: the corporate girl boss narrative that the feminist left has
26:33
Speaker 3: pushed for the last fifty years, they're kind of going, actually,
26:36
Speaker 3: I want to embrace traditional gender roles now. The article
26:39
Speaker 3: that the ABC published grapples with whether this is a
26:42
Speaker 3: sign of a far right takeover women wanting to stay
26:46
Speaker 3: home and be traditional, But the article also makes this
26:49
Speaker 3: breakthrough revelation, which is that it's not just political conservatives
26:53
Speaker 3: embracing traditional gender roles, even some same second couples. There
26:58
Speaker 3: are women in same sex relationships who also want to
27:02
Speaker 3: stay home with their children rather than sending them to
27:05
Speaker 3: childcare and rushing back to work.
27:09
Speaker 2: I find this so funny.
27:10
Speaker 3: Jokes like the ABC has just discovered that women in
27:13
Speaker 3: the twenty first century can actually want to look after
27:17
Speaker 3: their own children.
27:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and again, this is the thing.
27:20
Speaker 8: So you've got those sort of weird performative trabbed wives
27:23
Speaker 8: for whom you know, being the aulternate housewive and having
27:25
Speaker 8: a thing as long as it's all captured on Instagram,
27:28
Speaker 8: that's the only legit, and that they're bullocks, that's a showbiz.
27:31
Speaker 8: But of course, like any normal person is going to
27:34
Speaker 8: want to spend as much time with their kids as possible,
27:38
Speaker 8: and any normal person who is also going to very
27:40
Speaker 8: soon want to spend there's little time with their kids
27:42
Speaker 8: as possible, wor that's when you want to go back
27:44
Speaker 8: to work.
27:46
Speaker 6: Little you would have been done with them.
27:47
Speaker 5: But then when they hit teenagers, you're like, okay, that's it,
27:50
Speaker 5: that's right.
27:50
Speaker 8: And also, and again this is just something a lot
27:53
Speaker 8: of people don't like here about all the evidence says
27:56
Speaker 8: that when kids are really really little, having that one
27:59
Speaker 8: on one time with them is really really important for
28:03
Speaker 8: their development. It's not the be all and end all
28:05
Speaker 8: and some people simply do not have the choice. Some
28:07
Speaker 8: people have to go back to work, so we need
28:09
Speaker 8: have good child care for them, and they're great professionals
28:11
Speaker 8: who can do that. But again there's you know, I
28:13
Speaker 8: think there are certain kind of you know, instincts that
28:16
Speaker 8: we have as a species, and rearing our young is
28:20
Speaker 8: one of them, because otherwise we wouldn't be alive as
28:23
Speaker 8: a species. It's kind of like hardwide into us keeping mind.
28:26
Speaker 5: I'm just very disappointed that when my children were younger
28:29
Speaker 5: that I didn't think, oh, you filming myself. I was
28:34
Speaker 5: home for years with my kids. We were in the
28:36
Speaker 5: country for a period of time. We were on a
28:39
Speaker 5: farm a long way out of town. We were one
28:41
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty k round trip to the supermarket, so
28:44
Speaker 5: you know, I did a lot. I'm going to admit
28:48
Speaker 5: I made the tomato sauce that my kids had from scratch.
28:52
Speaker 5: I was an early adopter air fryers because I would
28:55
Speaker 5: make it.
28:56
Speaker 1: Bake your own bread during COVID.
28:57
Speaker 5: As well, Honey, I made my own bread when my
29:00
Speaker 5: kids were little, because, as I said, one hundred and
29:02
Speaker 5: sixty k round trip to the supermarket, you learned to
29:06
Speaker 5: make bread. But when my kids have birthday parties, I
29:10
Speaker 5: would make the pastry to make the party piles and
29:13
Speaker 5: the sausage. You were a certain you do though, when
29:17
Speaker 5: you're a mum and look we all got you go.
29:20
Speaker 8: A big I think that's you don't make your own pastry?
29:24
Speaker 1: All right, okay, whatever?
29:25
Speaker 5: Well, but can I tell you I'm also an early
29:27
Speaker 5: adopter to the thermomix, and I can tell you if
29:30
Speaker 5: this doesn't work out and I'm still looking for a job,
29:32
Speaker 5: I will be ending up with a career as a
29:35
Speaker 5: Thermomix blogger because I am a magician.
29:38
Speaker 6: I've mastered burnet, sauce, my Mayo.
29:40
Speaker 1: Is isn't the Thermo mix a bit passe?
29:43
Speaker 6: Now?
29:43
Speaker 1: Isn't it all about the air fryer?
29:44
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got boat.
29:46
Speaker 5: No no, no, I've got my mother flex mate.
29:48
Speaker 1: I got both.
29:49
Speaker 5: If I have already in my kitchen, i'd also have
29:51
Speaker 5: my kitchen aida. But wow, I was I'm starting to
29:55
Speaker 5: feel out there leading the charge, just not doing it
29:58
Speaker 5: on Instagram.
29:59
Speaker 6: But good on, so good on these women.
30:02
Speaker 5: When your kids are little, it is beautiful to be
30:04
Speaker 5: able to have the time to make their food from scratch.
30:07
Speaker 6: My kids were fed in cubes. We used to have
30:09
Speaker 6: these ice.
30:10
Speaker 5: Cube trays that I know freeze, but they have like
30:13
Speaker 5: three cubes of the sweet corn and Rizoni past two
30:17
Speaker 5: cubes with some yogat of the puraid apple or pair.
30:20
Speaker 1: Like.
30:20
Speaker 6: Seriously, I really did need to go back.
30:22
Speaker 5: To work, but you know it was beautiful and I
30:25
Speaker 5: love those years that I have with my kids. And
30:26
Speaker 5: good on these girls, and a lot of them are
30:28
Speaker 5: making a dime out of it, so we'll be able
30:30
Speaker 5: to stay at home longer and pay for college.
30:32
Speaker 6: So good on them.
30:32
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And the studies also do suggest that young
30:36
Speaker 3: married women, especially with children, are more likely to be
30:39
Speaker 3: happy and satisfied with their lives. So they're onto something
30:42
Speaker 3: and even the lefties are starting to catch on. Also
30:45
Speaker 3: here in Australia, Cricket Australia will not be playing a
30:49
Speaker 3: game on Australia Day for the second year in a row.
30:54
Speaker 3: Now they deny that this is technically an Australia Day boycott.
30:58
Speaker 3: Instead they're trying to blame it on TV broadcasters who've
31:01
Speaker 3: said it wouldn't rate as well if they played on
31:03
Speaker 3: the Monday.
31:05
Speaker 2: Sounds like a bit of a comedian excuse to me.
31:07
Speaker 3: And the Daily Telegraph, who published this article, posted a
31:11
Speaker 3: poll online and asked its readership whether crickets should be
31:15
Speaker 3: played on Australia Day. Unsurprisingly, ninety seven percent of people
31:21
Speaker 3: said it should be played. Joe, I get the whole debate.
31:25
Speaker 3: Every single year the same Australia Day debate comes up,
31:29
Speaker 3: but I don't want to rehash it again.
31:31
Speaker 1: Why why Star.
31:33
Speaker 2: We are yaing early?
31:35
Speaker 3: But what is frustrating is I think it's pretty clear,
31:38
Speaker 3: especially after the Voice, there is general consensus in the
31:42
Speaker 3: community that you can be respectful, you can value our
31:47
Speaker 3: indigenous history, but we don't have to consign ourselves to
31:51
Speaker 3: perpetual self loathing and be scared to celebrate our national Day.
31:58
Speaker 8: Yeah, of course, I think the official slogan for Australia
32:00
Speaker 8: Day is respect, Reflect, celebrate or something like that, so
32:03
Speaker 8: that actually the first thing it says is that you
32:05
Speaker 8: do have to reflect on the past before you can
32:08
Speaker 8: celebrate who we are now and hopefully a bright future.
32:11
Speaker 1: This stuff really.
32:12
Speaker 8: Really annoys me because firstly, it's sort of cree to
32:17
Speaker 8: Australia just trying to have it both ways, like they're
32:20
Speaker 8: just trying to We just don't want to have anything.
32:21
Speaker 8: We just don't want to touch it. We don't know
32:23
Speaker 8: what we think. We'll have to wait till the focus
32:24
Speaker 8: groups come back, because we don't know what our principles are.
32:27
Speaker 8: And if you don't like those, we've got others. So
32:29
Speaker 8: this is the second year that they've done it. As
32:32
Speaker 8: Lady Bracknell said the importance of being ernest. When she
32:34
Speaker 8: met Jack Worthing the orphan, she said, my dear to
32:37
Speaker 8: lose one parent as a misfortune. To lose two looks
32:40
Speaker 8: like carelessness, and to skip one Australia Day as a misfortune.
32:44
Speaker 8: To miss two looks a bit like carelessness, or it
32:46
Speaker 8: looks a little bit sus But more importantly, so at
32:51
Speaker 8: least have a position, like at least have the guts
32:53
Speaker 8: to have a position and say right, we're not doing
32:55
Speaker 8: this because this is how we feel. But even then,
32:58
Speaker 8: how does that stack up? I mean, I think with
32:59
Speaker 8: all of these things, welcomes to country. Acknowledgements of country,
33:03
Speaker 8: you know, jumping up and down about Australia Day, and
33:06
Speaker 8: even you know, defining words.
33:08
Speaker 1: As we saw earlier in the days, such as you know,
33:10
Speaker 1: was a genocide or not genocide? A genotider?
33:13
Speaker 8: Everything I think to do with indigenous Australia should simply
33:15
Speaker 8: be seen through the prism of will this benefit Indigenous Australians.
33:20
Speaker 1: How does this make their lives better? How does it
33:22
Speaker 1: close the gap? There's still a huge gap. They died
33:24
Speaker 1: ten years earlier than the rest.
33:26
Speaker 8: Every single that's right, every single every single step you
33:31
Speaker 8: take or move you make that does. Anything that doesn't
33:35
Speaker 8: address that is wasted.
33:37
Speaker 5: I really really said I'll be watching you. I just
33:41
Speaker 5: I had an idea. What you were talking, Joe remarkable.
33:44
Speaker 1: I should talk more often.
33:46
Speaker 6: No, let's not do that.
33:48
Speaker 5: But what I was thinking, you know, backyard cricket. It's
33:51
Speaker 5: part of the Australian identity. If Australian cricketers don't want
33:55
Speaker 5: to play, open up the scg let people bring in
33:57
Speaker 5: their little portable barbecues. They can have a little idea
34:00
Speaker 5: on the Sydney Cricket ground and then they can go
34:03
Speaker 5: off and have their own little family backyard cricket game
34:07
Speaker 5: on the sere Australia and want it. Cricket Australia should
34:10
Speaker 5: open the field up so all those Aussies that actually
34:13
Speaker 5: do celebrate Australia and Australian way of life can go
34:16
Speaker 5: whack a ball on the sc J.
34:19
Speaker 2: Great great advice from Holly there.
34:21
Speaker 3: I want to get your thoughts on this topic just
34:23
Speaker 3: before we go quickly, some members of the New South
34:26
Speaker 3: Wales Liberal Party a pushing the party to fund a
34:29
Speaker 3: court challenge to overturn the election result in the seat
34:32
Speaker 3: of Bradfield. Now Liberal Canada Giselle Captarian lost the seat to.
34:36
Speaker 2: A Teal by just twenty six votes.
34:39
Speaker 3: This is excruciating. The Liberals initially won the seat by
34:44
Speaker 3: eight votes, only to have a full recount which saw
34:47
Speaker 3: them lose it. Now keep in mind this electorate has
34:49
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty six thousand people in it and
34:53
Speaker 3: it was determined by just twenty six votes. So if
34:56
Speaker 3: you ever think your vote doesn't matter, think again, it
34:59
Speaker 3: honestly does. I can understand the frustration of missing out
35:03
Speaker 3: by such a tiny amount, but seriously, a court challenge
35:06
Speaker 3: is saying it might cost as much as two hundred
35:09
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars And do we really think the
35:11
Speaker 3: Liberals are going to do much better now than they
35:13
Speaker 3: did at the election.
35:14
Speaker 6: They're going to do worse.
35:15
Speaker 5: And absolutely they would do worse because they would have
35:17
Speaker 5: all of the Teal movement and all of that money
35:19
Speaker 5: come together behind them. We've you know, the Liberal Parties
35:23
Speaker 5: just experienced the biggest defeat probably ever at a federal level,
35:26
Speaker 5: and they're not going to have the funds coming in
35:29
Speaker 5: and they're not going to have the resources to fund
35:31
Speaker 5: a proper campaign. I think, personally having seen the decimation
35:36
Speaker 5: of the Liberal Party membership, but also the way the
35:38
Speaker 5: membership behaves, the fact that it's the Liberal Party members
35:41
Speaker 5: that are requesting this to happen demonstrates why as the
35:44
Speaker 5: party reform happens, if they're ever serious about winning an
35:47
Speaker 5: election again, they probably need to move away from that
35:51
Speaker 5: complete membership control and command style because you need to
35:54
Speaker 5: reflect the environment and the electorate you want to represent,
35:59
Speaker 5: and those just don't reflect them anymore. The Liberal Party
36:02
Speaker 5: should not spend the money. It would be an absolutely
36:05
Speaker 5: humiliating defeat for them. They should and that's what the
36:08
Speaker 5: membership doesn't understand that hopefully those in the administration committee
36:11
Speaker 5: making a decision will absolutely do it.
36:13
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if it's as much the
36:15
Speaker 3: membership doesn't reflect the community, because I get people have
36:18
Speaker 3: spent hours, like if you see the volunteers that run
36:22
Speaker 3: the Liberal Party or any political party for that matter.
36:24
Speaker 3: They're truly incredible, literally thousands of volunteer hours spent standing
36:29
Speaker 3: on polling booththanding and not denying the worst they do.
36:31
Speaker 6: But I feel bad numbers. You've got twenty six and
36:35
Speaker 6: you've probably.
36:36
Speaker 8: Got as like hundred members being shot six times in
36:39
Speaker 8: the chests and stubbing your time in fact, yeah, and
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Speaker 8: ask and then say can you can you get me
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Speaker 8: a band aid?
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Speaker 1: I stub my high Yeah, there's a much bigger problem
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Speaker 1: I needed to do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see how that works out for them well.
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Speaker 2: Coming up in the.
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Speaker 3: Papers after the break, the breakthrough that helped police catch
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Speaker 3: accused child as center of sex offender Joshua Brown, who's
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Speaker 3: been charged with over seventy offenses, will bring that story.
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Speaker 2: To you right after the break. Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: We're giving you tomorrow's papers today, starting with The Herald Son.
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Speaker 3: The headline reads how cops captured alleged monster. The investigation
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Speaker 3: of a teenager's rape at Coburg led police to accuse
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Speaker 3: childcare center sex offender Joshua Brown. The Herald's Son can
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Speaker 3: reveal the crucial breakthrough that resulted in the charging of
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Speaker 3: mister Brown was unearthed in a sexual crime Squad inquiry
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Speaker 3: into his associate Michael Simon Wilson. Mister Wilson, thirty six
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Speaker 3: of Hopper's Crossing, is on remand over charges that he
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Speaker 3: raped the teenage boy. On April sixteen. He'll appear in
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Speaker 3: Melbourne Magistrates' Court. So this is I mean crucial. We've
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Speaker 3: seen this horrendous case where it's where, yeah, the horrendous
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Speaker 3: alleged events that have occurred that we'll be able to
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Speaker 3: talk about later, but it is genuinely terrible.
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Speaker 2: Holly yeah.
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Speaker 5: Coming up in The Australian tomorrow, we've got the bn
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Speaker 5: ARI bombshell with Creative License on show as burke Back's
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Speaker 5: terror image artist. Federal Arts Minister Tony Burke has thrown
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Speaker 5: his full support behind Creative Australia's extraordinary decision to reinstate
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Speaker 5: dumped artist Carloored Subsavi's appointment to the twenty twenty six
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Speaker 5: Venice BNALI, saying the Lebanese Australians work depicting a dead
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Speaker 5: Hesbala leader does the exact opposite of promoting terrorism. Creative
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Speaker 5: Australia's abrupt cancelation of Subsavi's Venice appointment in February caused
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Speaker 5: fury in the arts world and snowballed into the biggest
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Speaker 5: public relations crisis in the federal funding body's history. While
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Speaker 5: confirming on Wednesday it had reinstated Subsavi and his curator
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Speaker 5: Michael Dagastino to the world's most prestigious visual art showcase
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Speaker 5: following an independent review, the Arts Body apologized to the
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Speaker 5: pair for its decision that had laighed heavily on many people.
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Speaker 5: It's amazing how art changed its meeting. He had an
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Speaker 5: actual consequence for saying thank you to nine to eleven.
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Speaker 8: Turns out he doesn't have It doesn't creative. Australia doesn't
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Speaker 8: know much about art, but I know what they don't like.
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Speaker 8: So the story behind this is that, so there were
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Speaker 8: two really contentious ones. One was the dead hesbela leader
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Speaker 8: sort of bathed in a light that made him kind
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Speaker 8: of look according to some saintly.
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Speaker 1: The other one was George W.
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Speaker 8: Bush saying thank you after the September eleventh terror attacks.
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Speaker 8: Now for the latter one, that was the one that
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Speaker 8: kind of got him over the line. That was something
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Speaker 8: on his website had then been displayed. But there was
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Speaker 8: an interpretation I believe that that in fact the meeting
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Speaker 8: of the artwork was that that al Qaider had played
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Speaker 8: into George W.
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Speaker 1: Bush's hands.
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Speaker 8: So al Qaider, those idiots had given George Bush and
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Speaker 8: the Republicans exactly what they wanted, which.
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Speaker 6: Was a pretense funny. It took them four or five
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Speaker 6: hours to come up with that argument.
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Speaker 3: Very funny, I think this was perhaps anyway, so I
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Speaker 3: should just also add that on the front page of
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Speaker 3: the Herald Sun tomorrow on the theme of anti Semitism,
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Speaker 3: allegedly is Kanye West who has been banned from Australia.
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Speaker 3: No Kanye Do West band from Australia, rapper Bud from
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Speaker 3: heading down Under with Melbourne wife after Hitler song outrage
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Speaker 3: so clearly.
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Speaker 5: And yet we let another potential interpretation of.
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Speaker 6: Love that consistency of your mates.
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Speaker 8: Meanwhile, in speaking of consistency and speaking my beloved mates
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Speaker 8: in the New South Wales Right of the Great Australian
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Speaker 8: Labor Party, Premier Chris Means will close a sickening loophole
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Speaker 8: that allows sex offenders and criminals to appeal working with
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Speaker 8: children checks, saying the scheme must.
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Speaker 1: Be a quote one strike policy.
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Speaker 8: The Premier committed to tougher new laws tougher new law
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Speaker 8: was after The Daily Telegraph exclusively revealed that more than
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Speaker 8: two dozen people charged, convicted or alleged to have been
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Speaker 8: involved in serious crimes, including child sex offenses, had obtained
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Speaker 8: a working with Children check through successful appeals the New
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Speaker 8: South Wales Civil and Administrative Tribune. And now you will
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Speaker 8: recall when we did the original revelation that the Telly
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Speaker 8: splashed on last night that I sorry to give away
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Speaker 8: any trade secrets, said that I very much suspect that
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Speaker 8: this is something that was quietly let slip by the
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Speaker 8: government just so they could then get the attention on
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Speaker 8: it and then close that loophole, which is absolutely the
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Speaker 8: right thing to do. It is absolutely what they've done
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Speaker 8: and done. Absolutely good on them for doing it. They're
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Speaker 8: saying this is outrageous. They're being stymied by the Administrative
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Speaker 8: Tribunal and they say, right, let's leave it to the
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Speaker 8: public to the side.
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Speaker 1: The Telegraph comes.
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Speaker 8: In flying the flag and then society gets rebuilt into
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Speaker 8: a stronger, faster, higher, happier place.
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Speaker 1: God, it makes me thank you for.
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Speaker 6: They're just the government and can do the laws.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thanksgiving us that inside scoop Joe shame I
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Speaker 3: got to that though. In the Canberra Times, the headline
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Speaker 3: is a phone ban considered.
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Speaker 2: The bar government is weighing a ban on.
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Speaker 3: Personal mobile devices in childcare centers after a shocking case
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Speaker 3: of alleged child sexual offenses in Melbourne, as federal, state
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Speaker 3: and territory attorney generals prepared to discuss the patchy system
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Speaker 3: of criminal checks.
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Speaker 2: Now, I've also just read.
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Speaker 3: That Victoria is bringing in a similar phone ban for
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Speaker 3: childcare workers. I mean, when you see that case, it
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Speaker 3: is horrific, But I mean, is this really the right move?
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, though.
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Speaker 5: This whole headline is just so Canbra phone ban considering, considering.
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Speaker 5: We're going to think about it. We're not devisive, we're
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Speaker 5: not going to take any action.
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Speaker 6: We'll consider it.
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Speaker 5: And once we've put together a committee to then put
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Speaker 5: together another committee of eighteen bureaucrats to report to thirty
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Speaker 5: six bureaucrats to come back then to another committee of
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Speaker 5: six bureaucrats to then end up with the Secretary, they'll
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Speaker 5: have considered it, and then in about six years time
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Speaker 5: there may be some implementation.
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Speaker 6: So look, Joe, I will give credit where credits due.
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Speaker 5: Chris Mins has had a strategic media leap, but saying
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Speaker 5: that they're going to take some direct action yet again,
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Speaker 5: though Canberra, the bureaucratit capital of the world, is going
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Speaker 5: to consider it exactly.
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Speaker 2: Well, Holly, what's happening in the Advertiser tomorrow?
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Speaker 5: So this is extraordinary. It's a cracker of a cover
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Speaker 5: though it's a takeoff. Well it's the naked gun. It's
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Speaker 5: so good, isn't it. But we've had an incidence in
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Speaker 5: South Australia where the state's top cop has sensationally revealed
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Speaker 5: that he's under investigation for accidentally firing his gun during
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Speaker 5: a drug raid, days after South Australia police invoked gag
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Speaker 5: laws that had actually kept his identity secret. The Sunday
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Speaker 5: Mail reported as senior officer had fired his weapon but
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Speaker 5: was unable to reveal mister Stephens's identity because if it
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Speaker 5: had done so, it would have been fined one hundred
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Speaker 5: and fifty thousand dollars and prison sentences.
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Speaker 6: I mean, God, bless Adelaide. It's just gorgeous.
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Speaker 5: So it's a great cover. It's a great cover for
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Speaker 5: the Tizer today. But the whole story is just we're
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Speaker 5: not going to tell you we're going to threaten you
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Speaker 5: with legal action, but then we're going to make sure
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Speaker 5: that everybody knows when we self out ourselves.
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Speaker 1: But not even that.
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Speaker 8: They just knew the jig was And I also, I
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Speaker 8: think very quickly realized how incredibly bad it would look
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Speaker 8: if they were continuing to cover up the police, were
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Speaker 8: continuing to cover up the fact that it was the
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Speaker 8: Commissioner of Police who was the one who accidentally discharged
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Speaker 8: their crazy and.
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Speaker 2: Then to bring in the gag laws and to cover
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Speaker 2: it all up.
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Speaker 8: I think they very quickly realized they were into You know.
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Speaker 5: What, it's the same as everything. It's never the crime,
44:57
Speaker 5: it's always the cover.
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Speaker 3: But there's an interesting crime related story just yes is
45:03
Speaker 3: and we all know we love a bit of rough,
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Speaker 3: don't we.
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Speaker 8: Holly looking for love in with the battles captured with
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Speaker 8: women in the Dane Tree. Yes, Whether love interest on
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Speaker 8: the other side of the razor y motivated a prisoner
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Speaker 8: to escape Lotus Glen on a red tractor will be
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Speaker 8: investigated by police. I would hope it would be investigated
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Speaker 8: by police. Actually, so good to know that the leads
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Speaker 8: doing what should happen. But Holly, do you find that
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Speaker 8: you know are bad boys. They tickle your fancy.
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Speaker 6: No, not my thing.
45:31
Speaker 5: I'm not quite sure that the field's ever been that
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Speaker 5: empty that I needed to look to prisoner, but it.
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Speaker 2: Is a thing, women going after men in prison.
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Speaker 3: It's very bizarre, but it's a trend apparently still to
45:42
Speaker 3: come after the break. Imagine the thrill of winning the
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Speaker 3: lottery only to be told it was all a mistake.
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Speaker 3: Thousands thought they had really struck it rich, only to
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Speaker 3: find out they hadn't find out more after the break.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the late debate.
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Speaker 3: It wouldn't be another nine of news without hearing something
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Speaker 3: from Megan Mark or what's the up teat today?
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Speaker 5: You know, people will start to think I've got some
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Speaker 5: weird obsession with this woman, because I'm clearly not a fan,
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Speaker 5: and she's really outdone herself.
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Speaker 6: I think this time.
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Speaker 5: Meghan has now released a Rose, a wine which will
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Speaker 5: set you back around forty five Australian dollars thirty US dollars,
46:21
Speaker 5: but has launched this rose on Diana's birthday, so on
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Speaker 5: the first of July she has launched this Napa Valley
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Speaker 5: Rose wine, which.
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Speaker 6: Apparently captures the essence of some drenched.
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Speaker 5: Outdoor moments and I'm clearly from her well photoshop picture
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Speaker 5: that's what she's been planning to do. But the fact
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Speaker 5: that Diana was killed in a car accident with a
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Speaker 5: drink driver and Meghan, in all of her wisdom, has
46:48
Speaker 5: decided to launch wine with an announcement of the sparkling
46:52
Speaker 5: wine to follow on Diana's birthday just shows the incredible
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Speaker 5: poor taste. And there is nothing this woman won't do
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Speaker 5: to chase the headline. And I think it's an absolute
47:02
Speaker 5: disgrace that Harry is not standing up and saying enough's enough, Meghan.
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Speaker 6: That is just one step too far.
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Speaker 8: But isn't this the sort of thing that Harry would
47:11
Speaker 8: usually be the first to get really upset and offended by,
47:14
Speaker 8: Like if anyone else did, it would be.
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Speaker 1: Like, oh, they're clearly deliberately doing this.
47:18
Speaker 8: To get at me and to make the money, Like
47:21
Speaker 8: it seemed very strong, like he obviously must have known.
47:26
Speaker 1: And then but the first you.
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Speaker 5: Like, I mean, just even the US have a different
47:29
Speaker 5: financial year to us, so their financial year is January December,
47:32
Speaker 5: so it's.
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Speaker 6: Not even launched because of you know, a financial.
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Speaker 8: I think the takeout messages that Princess Diana was born
47:38
Speaker 8: on the first day of the financial year. It's just
47:41
Speaker 8: some kind of weird cosmic significance. Now this is just
47:45
Speaker 8: mind blowing. Imagine this. Right, you get a phone call,
47:49
Speaker 8: you get told, guess what, you've won a million dollars. Oh, sorry,
47:52
Speaker 8: there's been a slight cleric.
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Speaker 1: You've won nothing.
47:55
Speaker 8: Norwegian lottery boss has been They have sent a text
47:59
Speaker 8: message apologizing to tens of thousands of disappointed players forty
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Speaker 8: seven thousand of presides who were accidentally told they had
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Speaker 8: won massive amounts of money when in fact they hadn't
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Speaker 8: by factor of about ten thousand.
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Speaker 1: If my mass is great.
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Speaker 8: Norse Tipping, the state owned gaming operator had admitted to
48:16
Speaker 8: several thousand people were mistakenly told on Friday they had
48:19
Speaker 8: won life changing sums of money after an error in
48:22
Speaker 8: converting from euros to Norwegian krona. And I believe that
48:26
Speaker 8: the eerror was that they were meant to divide by
48:30
Speaker 8: one hundred, but they accidentally multiplied by one hundred, right roll.
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Speaker 5: Apparently there was one guy on holiday in Greece who
48:38
Speaker 5: got a message that he'd won sort of like eighty
48:40
Speaker 5: six thousand pounds, and then when he went to check
48:43
Speaker 5: it was actually nine pounds, So I hope he hadn't
48:47
Speaker 5: Todd his wife and his wife had gone, you know what,
48:49
Speaker 5: I Am going to go get that extra pair of
48:51
Speaker 5: shoes and bag, and we're upgrading our hotel because we've
48:54
Speaker 5: just won this money when it was in nine pounds.
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Speaker 6: So bad.
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Speaker 2: That is really upsetting.
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Speaker 3: Well, thing that's quite upsetting is this sculpture that is
49:02
Speaker 3: in New York on the Highline walkway. It's a very phallic,
49:08
Speaker 3: very pink foot sculpture that even has a fountain coming
49:12
Speaker 3: out of it, and is also dotted with red lipped.
49:16
Speaker 2: Mouths sticking out tongues.
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Speaker 3: People are rightfully quite disgusted by it and disturbed. Well,
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Speaker 3: that's it, reglects next about any show,