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What Matters More Than Cameras: Story, Speed, And Client Results · Studio B Sessions

• 0:04
  Vipul Bindra: Welcome to another episode of Studio B Sessions.
• 0:07
  Vipul Bindra: I'm Bendra, the owner of Bendra Productions here in Orlando, Florida.
• 0:10
  Vipul Bindra: And we have Mario again on the producer table.
• 0:14
  Vipul Bindra: How's it going, Mario?
• 0:15
  Vipul Bindra: I'm good.
• 0:16
  Mario Rangel: How are you guys?
• 0:17
  Vipul Bindra: And our guest today is Logan.
• 0:19
  Vipul Bindra: Hello, my name is Logan Walker.
• 0:21
  Vipul Bindra: And you do vetting videos, corporate social media content.
• 0:26
  Vipul Bindra: Yes.
• 0:27
  Vipul Bindra: What else?
• 0:28
  Vipul Bindra: What am I missing?
• 0:30
  Logan Walker: I do a little bit of real estate on the sign for uh John who you've had on the podcast before.
• 0:34
  Logan Walker: I haven't done it myself, though.
• 0:36
  Logan Walker: I don't think it's something that I would ever pursue by myself.
• 0:39
  Logan Walker: I don't have that love for it like he does.
• 0:41
  Vipul Bindra: That's pretty awesome.
• 0:42
  Vipul Bindra: So, somebody who knows about video production, the point of this podcast is, you know, just a raw, unfiltered, unscripted conversation between two video professionals, and maybe we'll get some entertainment or education out of this.
• 0:55
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm six excited to have you.
• 0:56
  Vipul Bindra: Let's just start with that.
• 0:58
  Vipul Bindra: Why wedding videography?
• 1:01
  Logan Walker: So I think a lot of people that are in the wedding industry didn't always want to go there and intend to be there.
• 1:07
  Logan Walker: It always started with you have the passion for film and you have family members that are getting married.
• 1:13
  Logan Walker: And they see that.
• 1:14
  Logan Walker: Like, oh, you you have a camera, how much to film my wedding, how much to shoot my wedding.
• 1:19
  Logan Walker: So I shot a few of them like that in 2020.
• 1:24
  Logan Walker: I think I had yeah, one for extended family back in Michigan, and then my sister originally had a very big wedding planned.
• 1:33
  Logan Walker: And of course it got canceled due to COVID, and we eventually squeezed down to 12 people.
• 1:39
  Logan Walker: Yeah, it was immediate family for both sides.
• 1:43
  Logan Walker: And she said, Hey, I need you to do photo and video.
• 1:46
  Logan Walker: Like now, I knew it was a lot of work, but at the time I also wasn't super seasoned, so yeah, it's fine.
• 1:53
  Logan Walker: And I think when you're trying to do both and you're new, it's one they're both gonna get very hindered because I'm trying to get a nice shot.
• 2:01
  Logan Walker: And she's like, No, no, no, I want a photo right now.
• 2:03
  Logan Walker: Like, well, I want a video right now because video is my passion, but of course I was gonna do photos too.
• 2:08
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 2:09
  Logan Walker: So that's kind of how it started.
• 2:11
  Logan Walker: Um after those weddings, though, they were kind of we made an Instagram, my girlfriend and I, for the uh company, and I kind of just sat there for a while.
• 2:21
  Logan Walker: She's like, Well, everything's slow right now, why don't we just work on building this up?
• 2:26
  Logan Walker: And that's what we did.
• 2:27
  Logan Walker: So we filmed a lot of some kind subcontractor weddings for a bunch of different companies across Florida, and that's kind of how we built our portfolio before we actually got direct bookings with us.
• 2:39
  Vipul Bindra: That's pretty cool.
• 2:40
  Vipul Bindra: But you know, funny enough, what you uh that you talk about direct family or relatives or people you know, it's happened to all of us, including me.
• 2:46
  Vipul Bindra: I've never shot a wedding, uh, don't want to.
• 2:49
  Vipul Bindra: Uh it's not my LE, like I said, but that does uh but that doesn't mean I've not been asked.
• 2:54
  Vipul Bindra: And it's funny, long time ago, before Binder Productions, when I was just a freelancer, um, you know, uh relatives just going, hey, why don't you film my wedding, right?
• 3:03
  Vipul Bindra: It's like just assumption.
• 3:04
  Vipul Bindra: And and that makes you actually wonder how many people actually don't care how their wedding video looks because they're not once checking if you've done one.
• 3:12
  Vipul Bindra: They're not asking, like, you know, sure, you're a relative, but they don't go, hey, let me see a wedding that you've done.
• 3:17
  Vipul Bindra: They just say, Hey, do you want to do it?
• 3:18
  Vipul Bindra: Because they're looking for that cheap or low-cost solution or free solution.
• 3:22
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm like, it's your one day, right?
• 3:25
  Vipul Bindra: You're not gonna get to see it again unless you record it properly.
• 3:28
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, sure, you and I probably could have done it, and and you probably did.
• 3:32
  Vipul Bindra: I I obviously I said no.
• 3:34
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but I'm like, but they had no idea, is what I'm saying.
• 3:36
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 3:36
  Vipul Bindra: And so, how many people don't care about a quality?
• 3:40
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but that and an approach, like you said, people they know in their life that do video and photo.
• 3:45
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but that's pretty cool how it started and where you are.
• 3:49
  Vipul Bindra: And you work with your girlfriend, right?
• 3:51
  Vipul Bindra: You guys are a team.
• 3:52
  Logan Walker: How did that start?
• 3:54
  Logan Walker: Um, so we've been together since 2019, and it actually started with so when I shot the first few weddings, she actually wasn't with me when I shot my sister's wedding because it was so small.
• 4:06
  Logan Walker: But when I did another one of my cousins' weddings, she was there kind of being my assistant.
• 4:10
  Logan Walker: She's like handing me the Sigma 50 to 100.
• 4:12
  Logan Walker: So she was helping me pull equipment around.
• 4:14
  Logan Walker: And then after a while, she's like, Well, why don't I just get another camera so I can help you and then we can be a team?
• 4:20
  Logan Walker: So then she got another Pocket 4K.
• 4:22
  Logan Walker: Look at that.
• 4:23
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 4:23
  Vipul Bindra: So was she uh now currently does she do photo, right?
• 4:27
  Vipul Bindra: And you do video, or you both do video, right?
• 4:30
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so you are a two-person video team.
• 4:32
  Vipul Bindra: That's incredible, though.
• 4:34
  Vipul Bindra: You you know, you can keep it in in-house, I guess, yeah uh for both.
• 4:38
  Vipul Bindra: And uh, so who's the second shooter, you or her?
• 4:42
  Logan Walker: Well, she likes to say she's the first shooter, but when we actually dump footage, I'm a camera.
• 4:46
  Logan Walker: You're a camera.
• 4:47
  Logan Walker: So I make sure that's how it goes into Da Vinci.
• 4:49
  Vipul Bindra: You begin, we get it.
• 4:50
  Vipul Bindra: You're the A camera.
• 4:51
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 4:52
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, I mean it's funny, but yeah, I don't think it matters.
• 4:56
  Vipul Bindra: But you you know what I mean.
• 4:57
  Vipul Bindra: It's it's a little bit of healthy competition.
• 4:59
  Vipul Bindra: Um, so what are your um do you think um juice have certain things like like the the you're good at versus what she's good at that forms a good team or or what makes you guys a good team?
• 5:11
  Logan Walker: Um I'm definitely more technical than she is.
• 5:17
  Logan Walker: I'm the one that finds the gear, buys the gear, convinces her that we need to buy the gear.
• 5:22
  Logan Walker: Um, I'm always like, need to get this lighting right, we need to do this, and she's she kind of is like a she's kind of an AD in a way, where she's like, no, you need to get the shot, we need to keep moving.
• 5:32
  Logan Walker: Um I think she's more of the people person in the company because she's the one that also does like the client calls, uh the first meeting.
• 5:43
  Logan Walker: She's like, I need you to leave the room when I when I do this uh consultation because you're gonna make me nervous.
• 5:48
  Logan Walker: Oh wow.
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  Logan Walker: But I mean, hey, if it works, it works.
• 5:50
  Logan Walker: It works.
• 5:50
  Logan Walker: No, yeah, I get it.
• 5:51
  Logan Walker: She's like, after we get the booking, you can be in the room with me.
• 5:54
  Logan Walker: That's funny.
• 5:56
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so uh do you guys edit then as well?
• 5:58
  Vipul Bindra: So you shoot it, obviously.
• 6:00
  Vipul Bindra: You edit as well.
• 6:01
  Vipul Bindra: Uh-huh.
• 6:01
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, do you have an editor or you two do it?
• 6:04
  Logan Walker: Um so when we after COVID, I don't know if you knew this, but there is a huge wedding boom.
• 6:10
  Logan Walker: Crazy.
• 6:11
  Logan Walker: Um yeah, baby boom, wedding boom, car boom, house boom, all kinds of booms afterwards.
• 6:15
  Logan Walker: Of course.
• 6:15
  Logan Walker: Um, when we started, we were charging sub thousand dollars.
• 6:20
  Logan Walker: Pretty cheap.
• 6:21
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 6:21
  Logan Walker: Um right during the boom, I'd say like early 21 up until maybe early 22 was the boom.
• 6:30
  Logan Walker: We were shooting a wedding almost every other weekend for the first half of the year.
• 6:36
  Logan Walker: It was crazy.
• 6:37
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's a lot.
• 6:38
  Logan Walker: Um, and we were only charging twelve, thirteen hundred dollars.
• 6:41
  Logan Walker: And I I'd say our work was pretty good for that price.
• 6:43
  Logan Walker: Like we could have definitely charged more, but we didn't want to charge that much yet because we didn't have the experience.
• 6:48
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 6:49
  Logan Walker: So we were getting booking after booking after booking, and she was getting stressed because she handles a good chunk of the editing.
• 6:55
  Logan Walker: We we split it up now, we can talk about that later.
• 6:58
  Logan Walker: But um, we did outsource some edits and we just had them cut um find music, but we still exported it and um did the coloring as well.
• 7:08
  Logan Walker: But now we've kind of slowed down and we're more selective about what we pick.
• 7:12
  Logan Walker: So now we we edit everything a hundred percent ourselves.
• 7:15
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, that's pretty cool.
• 7:15
  Vipul Bindra: No, it makes sense, you know, when you're new and then there's a boom, you were just trying to do the volume game, right?
• 7:21
  Vipul Bindra: Uh uh, but there is a lot of money in weddings if you do them, you know, a luxury way, right?
• 7:27
  Vipul Bindra: You could charge more and then you don't have to take as many, and then you can pay more attention, you know, you can do more detail or whatever, I guess.
• 7:35
  Vipul Bindra: Um, but but and I guess there's approaches to it, you know.
• 7:39
  Vipul Bindra: Uh the volume game's not bad for somebody, that may be the right thing.
• 7:43
  Vipul Bindra: Um, so what made you uh switch to the this this selective approach?
• 7:48
  Vipul Bindra: Was it just burnout or was it just uh too much work or or more just wanting more money?
• 7:54
  Logan Walker: Or um, you know, it's kind of a combination of things.
• 7:58
  Logan Walker: Um I wouldn't say we're super seasoned veterans, but we've shot easily over probably 120 weddings now.
• 8:06
  Logan Walker: Yeah, that's a lot of weddings.
• 8:07
  Logan Walker: You know, after a while, you kind of just get sick of the same thing.
• 8:11
  Logan Walker: When you're charging a certain price too, you expect the weddings to be I mean, this isn't always the case, but you have an idea of what the wedding's gonna be like.
• 8:20
  Logan Walker: And we do a lot of filtering now to find people because we did a lot of weddings that kind of were rough, and when the wedding does not go smooth, the content that you also capture is not good, which makes our videos not look as good.
• 8:32
  Logan Walker: Was it because of bridezilla's or something else?
• 8:35
  Logan Walker: No, not really bridezillas, it's mostly just bad coordination, uh things running behind.
• 8:40
  Logan Walker: Um yeah, it was just kind of burnout, and you know any stories you can tell us?
• 8:46
  Logan Walker: Well, this wasn't directly booked with us, but we subcontracted a wedding that was out in South Carolina, and we were dumbasses.
• 8:59
  Logan Walker: And I think we started at like 10 a.m.
• 9:01
  Logan Walker: and we're like, just gonna leave the morning of and drive from here.
• 9:05
  Logan Walker: Oh so we ended up being 30 minutes late, so that's our fault.
• 9:08
  Logan Walker: I'll take that.
• 9:09
  Logan Walker: Um, but the wedding party was already running behind.
• 9:12
  Logan Walker: The groom was plastered before the ceremony.
• 9:16
  Logan Walker: Definitely not a good sign.
• 9:18
  Logan Walker: Um during the ceremony, he looked like he was not there at all, completely looking around, just super drunk.
• 9:27
  Logan Walker: During the speeches, the uh the mother of the groom was like, Oh, you're the only girl that can handle him.
• 9:35
  Logan Walker: We're we're so happy he found someone, like not good.
• 9:39
  Logan Walker: Wow during the cake cutting, super drunk, and the the bride was like, Oh, come here, let's look nice.
• 9:46
  Logan Walker: For the photos of the cake, he filled his mouth with cake and went like into the camera.
• 9:51
  Logan Walker: Yeah, and then uh she disappeared for us tonight.
• 9:54
  Logan Walker: She's hiding in the bathroom crying, and he was on the dance floor dancing with his buddy and didn't even realize it.
• 10:00
  Vipul Bindra: I can't I can't imagine what she's feeling.
• 10:02
  Logan Walker: Yeah, she came out later and he tried going up to her and dancing.
• 10:06
  Logan Walker: She pushed him off.
• 10:08
  Logan Walker: During the uh, you know, like the final exit, the sparklers, she went down with her friend.
• 10:12
  Logan Walker: Wow.
• 10:13
  Logan Walker: It was bad.
• 10:14
  Vipul Bindra: I can't imagine how you cut that.
• 10:15
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, well, thank goodness.
• 10:16
  Vipul Bindra: Thank God.
• 10:18
  Logan Walker: Yeah, so you had none of that problem.
• 10:19
  Logan Walker: When we when we sent that footage, we're like, this is what happened.
• 10:22
  Logan Walker: Don't know what you're gonna do, but here it is.
• 10:24
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 10:24
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, that's not on you guys, right?
• 10:26
  Vipul Bindra: That's just the the wedding going the wrong way.
• 10:30
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 10:31
  Vipul Bindra: I I I don't think the shooters would have do you have anywhere uh something you did and it's okay you were new learning some mistake or whatever that happened.
• 10:39
  Logan Walker: Um you mean like handling people or in like the shooting side?
• 10:46
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 10:47
  Vipul Bindra: Where you feel like, oh, this is what we did wrong and now we know not to do that, obviously.
• 10:53
  Logan Walker: Taking the word of DJs that the audio is good.
• 10:56
  Vipul Bindra: I learned that.
• 10:57
  Vipul Bindra: Funny enough, that applies to car corporate too, because we do so much conference work, dude.
• 11:02
  Vipul Bindra: Not DJ specifically, but the saw audio guy, you know, they're like, oh yeah, yeah, I pulled the audio from here, and yeah, I don't trust them one bit because you're right.
• 11:11
  Vipul Bindra: Unless you absolutely hear it yourself, and now I made sure, thank goodness, for devices like the Sync E from uh the track E from uh Tentacle Sync, because you know it's 32-bit float, independent recorder.
• 11:23
  Vipul Bindra: I literally tell them, no, no, up the volume more, and I'd rather go and fix it in post because you know it's 32-bit float than trust them with anything because you're right.
• 11:32
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm not not saying that all bad, but I'm saying I've had enough bad experiences, so I'm guessing yours was similar.
• 11:37
  Logan Walker: Yeah, luckily this really only happened once and when we were starting.
• 11:42
  Logan Walker: So I have an old like task M DR60D Mark II.
• 11:46
  Logan Walker: I still use it, yeah.
• 11:47
  Logan Walker: It works, yeah.
• 11:48
  Logan Walker: It works.
• 11:48
  Logan Walker: Um, it's not 32-bit, but it works.
• 11:51
  Logan Walker: Um, and I was using the first version of the DG or the uh road mic go.
• 11:55
  Logan Walker: It doesn't have internal recording.
• 11:58
  Logan Walker: So this was early 2021, and it was also red flag because the couple booked us a week before, which now we're like, oh yeah, now um so I mic'd the officiant and then I went up to the officiant and I said, Hey, where can I plug in my recorder?
• 12:15
  Logan Walker: And he's like, Oh, I have the single speaker, just plug it in.
• 12:18
  Logan Walker: I plugged it in, was like, oh, there's levels, I'm good.
• 12:21
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 12:21
  Logan Walker: So I get home, the uh road mic was cutting in out the entire time.
• 12:26
  Logan Walker: It was barely usable at all.
• 12:27
  Logan Walker: Wow, yeah, because probably interference or whatever, yeah.
• 12:30
  Logan Walker: Yeah, and I was far.
• 12:31
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 12:31
  Logan Walker: So then I listened to the uh recording from the from the recorder, and once the music stopped, it was nothing.
• 12:39
  Logan Walker: Like it didn't even go to it didn't get anything from him.
• 12:43
  Vipul Bindra: Wow, so there was no vocals in it, just music.
• 12:45
  Logan Walker: Well, the good thing is what we delivered to the couple was just a highlight film and a few lines we could pull out from the DGI mic.
• 12:54
  Logan Walker: Or sorry, from the road mic.
• 12:56
  Logan Walker: Yeah, and it was fine.
• 12:57
  Logan Walker: And they never asked for it.
• 12:59
  Vipul Bindra: Okay.
• 12:59
  Logan Walker: We did message them and were like, would you guys mind rereading your vows and then just sending us an audio file?
• 13:05
  Logan Walker: Okay, so that's good that you and but they they're like, sure, and then they never did it, so they they didn't care.
• 13:10
  Logan Walker: Yeah, they were fine, they never caught it.
• 13:12
  Vipul Bindra: Because they booked you a week before.
• 13:13
  Vipul Bindra: That looks like it was a last-minute thing thrown together, and that happens too.
• 13:17
  Vipul Bindra: Um, you know, some people don't care, but some do.
• 13:20
  Vipul Bindra: I guess it just what it becomes if you like, for example, for me, you know, growing up, I just saw these big fat Indian weddings all the time.
• 13:29
  Vipul Bindra: And you know, when you and for some people, there's two I've seen reactions when it's like, wow, I can't wait for mine to be like that.
• 13:36
  Vipul Bindra: Or it's like, what this is absurd, like you know, thousand people at a wedding, they're going for days and days, and I just was like, nope, I want none of this.
• 13:46
  Vipul Bindra: And uh, so it was very easy.
• 13:48
  Vipul Bindra: It was just like whenever I'm getting married, I'm just going to a court signing some papers and I'm done.
• 13:53
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 13:53
  Vipul Bindra: And um, I was like, hopefully, I can find a girl who's okay with that, because I don't want any of this.
• 13:59
  Vipul Bindra: And that was just because I'd been to so many weddings where I was just like, I don't know, I don't see the point of this.
• 14:04
  Vipul Bindra: Because you know, I'm never gonna see these thousand people again.
• 14:07
  Vipul Bindra: It's one thing if it's an intimate ceremony or something, but then there's people who love that.
• 14:12
  Vipul Bindra: They're like, this is what I want.
• 14:13
  Vipul Bindra: I want a big in uh or not even just Indian, even in America, you know, they want a big wedding where they go all out for it, and then there's weddings where you know, they're just like, let's wear jeans, yeah, and then just do it, you know.
• 14:26
  Logan Walker: That's that's that's kind of where I am too.
• 14:27
  Logan Walker: Like, do an elopement, just have your best, closest friends, don't spend over 10k.
• 14:32
  Logan Walker: There's no 5k 10k, there's no reason to unless you really want it.
• 14:37
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, or go on a vacation.
• 14:38
  Vipul Bindra: My point is you're gonna spend money, spend it on yourselves, go somewhere, travel somewhere, do something.
• 14:43
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 14:44
  Vipul Bindra: To me, seem and again, this remember, this is my opinion, doesn't mean it has to be for everyone else.
• 14:48
  Vipul Bindra: I get it.
• 14:49
  Vipul Bindra: People love to throw big vettings, and that's where your business is.
• 14:53
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, you want them to do it, yeah.
• 14:55
  Vipul Bindra: So so that's okay, but it wouldn't be for me, right?
• 14:57
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 14:58
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, same.
• 14:59
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so but that's pretty cool though, man.
• 15:01
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you've been able to start uh, you know, uh through and and start you said right around COVID or before COVID, was it your first wedding?
• 15:10
  Logan Walker: It was probably like mid-I think it was mid-2020, like summer 2020 is when I did my first one.
• 15:16
  Vipul Bindra: So around COVID then, right?
• 15:17
  Vipul Bindra: Because that's after, I think, when the world shut down.
• 15:20
  Vipul Bindra: So yeah, so through COVID, and now we're in 2025.
• 15:24
  Vipul Bindra: You guys are doing uh weddings, but you've also branched out, right?
• 15:28
  Vipul Bindra: Now you're what doing also corporate stuff?
• 15:31
  Logan Walker: I do a little bit of corporate, it's only when I'm asked to come in as like a secondhand.
• 15:35
  Logan Walker: Um I've done a little bit of corporate work by myself, just doing like interviews and b-roll, and it's finally taken me long enough to figure out that's where the money is, and it's usually the easiest work, it's just very long hours.
• 15:48
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 15:49
  Logan Walker: Um, and the black magic cameras are not good for that.
• 15:52
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yes.
• 15:54
  Vipul Bindra: How much I like black, and uh a lot of people think after this, like uh, you know, maybe listen to me like I like Sony or whatever.
• 16:00
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, I love where like all the tech companies, I don't care, you know, like it's a tool.
• 16:07
  Vipul Bindra: Uh but black magic cameras may be awesome.
• 16:10
  Vipul Bindra: Like, you know, like uh people have been like say talk about the Pixis or whatever right now.
• 16:14
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's like they're great, and if they work for your workflow, then they're great.
• 16:18
  Vipul Bindra: But as far as I know, uh in corporate worlds, you want to move fast, you want to be, you know, because sometimes they'll give you 15 minutes and they'll be like the CEO is gonna be here, or they're here, roll now.
• 16:28
  Vipul Bindra: Like it doesn't matter what you set up, and you have to somehow make it good.
• 16:31
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, because when they see the video, they'll be like, Why doesn't it look good?
• 16:35
  Vipul Bindra: Right?
• 16:35
  Vipul Bindra: They don't remember all that they had no time.
• 16:37
  Vipul Bindra: So you have to be really fast and efficient, and a lot of times, um, you know, the cameras that are good for it just happen to be, you know, speedy cameras.
• 16:46
  Vipul Bindra: So, yeah, if you especially if you have the older anything black magic like Pocket 6K or 4K or whatever, G2 or Urstas, those would be really hard to do corporate work with, especially at speed.
• 16:58
  Logan Walker: And no one wants B-RAWs in a deliverable, yeah.
• 17:00
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, no.
• 17:01
  Logan Walker: And ProRes is heavy.
• 17:02
  Logan Walker: How do you shoot ProRes for clients when you do Corporate?
• 17:06
  Logan Walker: Okay.
• 17:06
  Logan Walker: No.
• 17:07
  Vipul Bindra: Now uh we we'll see on the Ronin 8K what we do because it can do ProRes.
• 17:11
  Vipul Bindra: Um, I don't know yet, but yes, most likely it depends on the level of client.
• 17:15
  Vipul Bindra: But again, if I'm using these levels of cameras, I'm talking FX6s, FX3s, uh, anything like that, uh, or even in the Canon's ecosystem when I was, which was C70s, now it would be C80s, C400s, C300s, you know, I'm talking.
• 17:30
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, I would not shoot the raw option that's in these cameras or or that we shoot the highest MP4 or MXF, whatever the highest is, but in regular.
• 17:42
  Vipul Bindra: The reason being is uh, and obviously log still, but right most are clients, if we don't have the time and budget to grade RAW, but raw is not necessary.
• 17:50
  Vipul Bindra: I make sure that the raw is where you know you make a mistake or whatever, or you really need the 16-bin.
• 17:56
  Vipul Bindra: Uh usually what we're doing on these is we are we want to make sure it's exposures right, so there's no recovering anything because we're not letting anything go past the waveform.
• 18:07
  Vipul Bindra: And if we are, then that's intentional.
• 18:09
  Vipul Bindra: That's part of what we're we're trying to do.
• 18:11
  Vipul Bindra: The only thing we want to do is color grade, and 10, 12-bit footage is enough for corporate level color grade.
• 18:17
  Vipul Bindra: Anything higher end, I'm either using higher end cameras that I'm renting, then that's fine.
• 18:23
  Vipul Bindra: Then yes, on um Ari, I have done Ari Raw Raw sometimes.
• 18:28
  Vipul Bindra: But even then, Pro Res on those looks great.
• 18:30
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm saying that's a completely different level of client.
• 18:33
  Vipul Bindra: But most corporate work, I'm saying, like where you're working with a company, uh, yeah, you don't need raw.
• 18:40
  Vipul Bindra: And if you are, that's just overkill.
• 18:41
  Vipul Bindra: And if an agency asks for you, that'd be rare.
• 18:44
  Vipul Bindra: Because I've worked with a lot of agencies, I've never had anyone say, I want raw, they just want whatever's the highest, and the I'm talking H264, compressed codec basically, and they're happy with that.
• 18:55
  Vipul Bindra: So yeah, I would I would be amazed if anyone ever wanted B-Raw from yeah, maybe bettings again, I don't know, but not definitely not in corporate side.
• 19:04
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 19:04
  Logan Walker: So kind of bouncing off what you said about shooting higher than Sony.
• 19:08
  Logan Walker: Where do you see the industry going right now of people buying higher-end cameras like Alexa's and Reds?
• 19:15
  Logan Walker: Because from what I see, everyone's even in our group, I see people selling their FX6 or saying, like, it's I'm not using it anymore.
• 19:21
  Logan Walker: Yeah, you think that's just gonna trend that's gonna continue?
• 19:24
  Vipul Bindra: See, it depends on what you're doing, right?
• 19:26
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, yes, as far as industry goes, again, I I don't I don't I don't have a magic eight ball, right?
• 19:32
  Vipul Bindra: But I can tell you that you can easily see the trend.
• 19:35
  Vipul Bindra: Gear's getting better, it's getting more accessible, yet it's getting harder for brands to outcompete because there's so much noise, right?
• 19:44
  Vipul Bindra: So even though it's harder to make nice get better content, it's easier to make content, right?
• 19:50
  Vipul Bindra: So I do see the industry turning more and more towards smaller crews, like kind of like the project we did, and we can talk about later, but like that documentary, uh Bower and all type of thing.
• 20:00
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but the crews are getting smaller, and that's where the trend is.
• 20:04
  Vipul Bindra: So if you're somebody who's like, I am union, I only work in you know 50 per 100% commercials, I don't know how long those roles will last.
• 20:13
  Vipul Bindra: And I guess I could be wrong to keep having those.
• 20:16
  Vipul Bindra: Uh but I don't think video industry overall is going anywhere.
• 20:21
  Vipul Bindra: It's just going to be more one person, two person, five person, ten person crews.
• 20:27
  Vipul Bindra: I hope that makes sense.
• 20:28
  Vipul Bindra: Less than 20 people basically, and the highest may turn become from 100 people, 200 people to like 40 people.
• 20:34
  Vipul Bindra: I hope that makes sense.
• 20:35
  Vipul Bindra: Basically, we're trending towards just smaller crews, more nimble crews, people who can move move faster.
• 20:40
  Vipul Bindra: Um, same thing, smaller lights, smaller um, you know, microphones.
• 20:45
  Vipul Bindra: Everything's basically trending towards a faster um package, if that makes sense.
• 20:50
  Vipul Bindra: So people who can work faster, they're gonna succeed.
• 20:54
  Vipul Bindra: Now, that does that mean not having an FX6?
• 20:57
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 20:58
  Vipul Bindra: Because I think it's more particular.
• 21:00
  Vipul Bindra: So people I think who are selling FX6 are doing reels, so that's too broad.
• 21:06
  Vipul Bindra: But same thing, if you're currently filming on an Ari, FX6 is small.
• 21:11
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, the way I see it is I don't think RE cameras are going anywhere, they're gonna they rule movies.
• 21:17
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, the only company that's been able to come and you know, can't even compete with them is Sony with the Venice and the Venice 2 system.
• 21:24
  Vipul Bindra: But like I said, I don't live in that world.
• 21:26
  Vipul Bindra: I have shot some you know short movies or whatever, I'm making my own feature.
• 21:30
  Vipul Bindra: But that's the limit of you know where I am.
• 21:32
  Vipul Bindra: And if I'm using those cameras, it's for a commercial, it's for a high-end commercial where we have the budget to bring them.
• 21:38
  Vipul Bindra: The only time I'm using those for interviews in B Roll where it's not a high end commercial, is where somebody just went overboard.
• 21:45
  Vipul Bindra: And I have friends or people I know that are like, no, we gotta do this fancier.
• 21:49
  Vipul Bindra: They will they will rent those.
• 21:51
  Vipul Bindra: And if they have the budget, absolutely go for it.
• 21:53
  Vipul Bindra: But it's a rental item.
• 21:54
  Vipul Bindra: I don't see the point of owning it unless you want to consign to a rental house.
• 21:58
  Vipul Bindra: But even that, that only works.
• 21:59
  Vipul Bindra: Works if in a bigger market like uh Atlanta, New York, Vancouver, you know, LA, and even LA is slowing down right now.
• 22:07
  Vipul Bindra: The point I'm trying to make is those cameras are only a good investment if you can rent them out and you can only rent them out in your bigger market.
• 22:13
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, so those are mostly rental items, and if you need it, you just add it to your invoice and you just rent it.
• 22:19
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but so so again, I don't think those cameras are going anywhere, just like FX6 isn't going anywhere until a new one comes out because everywhere.
• 22:27
  Vipul Bindra: Uh I can't imagine uh like I go to every shoot and there's an FX6 if that doesn't tell you, and I'm talking not even my shoot, like I was in a completely different shoot, no, none of my equipment, and they had an FX6 as the A camera.
• 22:40
  Vipul Bindra: So it just really depends on what you're doing.
• 22:42
  Vipul Bindra: What I'm saying is if you're doing reels, short form content, then maybe an FX3 even is an overkill, right?
• 22:48
  Vipul Bindra: But if you're doing corporate work, FX6 is kind of like the standard now, and I'm sure there's equivalent on each brand.
• 22:54
  Vipul Bindra: It's just if you're working with other people, you have to be in the Sony ecosystem as of right now, 2025.
• 23:00
  Vipul Bindra: That could change in the future.
• 23:02
  Vipul Bindra: Who knows?
• 23:03
  Vipul Bindra: But as of right now, Sony's kind of cornered um the agency market, at least.
• 23:07
  Vipul Bindra: So if you're trying to fit into other crews, you kind of have to have FX6s, FX3s, just that's what it is.
• 23:12
  Vipul Bindra: Which is why I switched.
• 23:14
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, oh, we want to be able to work, continue working with the people that we work with, and now they're no longer happy with Canons, even though the image quality in the C70s was amazing.
• 23:24
  Vipul Bindra: It was just like either you switch or you only continue to work with your direct clients, right?
• 23:30
  Vipul Bindra: You you will lose access to this other chunk of money, and I as a business that makes no sense.
• 23:34
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 23:35
  Vipul Bindra: So I switched, if that makes any sense.
• 23:37
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 23:37
  Vipul Bindra: So people will always continue to sell cameras.
• 23:40
  Vipul Bindra: You know, full sale gives you an FX6 if you do their film course uh as part of the equipment they package that they give you.
• 23:46
  Vipul Bindra: So so many of those kids uh graduate and decide not to, or they're going to post or whatever, like they don't want that camera.
• 23:52
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so FX6 are always flooded into Orlando market for sale.
• 23:56
  Vipul Bindra: That doesn't mean the demand isn't low.
• 23:58
  Vipul Bindra: You go to any reality show, there's six of them usually like deployed.
• 24:03
  Logan Walker: So yeah.
• 24:04
  Logan Walker: It's crazy too, like the value of certain cameras are plummeting to, like reds, for example, because when I was in film school, like, oh my god, we get to touch a red camera.
• 24:13
  Logan Walker: It's crazy.
• 24:15
  Logan Walker: This is like $30,000, and now it's like $4,000.
• 24:18
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and no, you can buy them, and and again, and the reason is um the way they operate is different than Ari operates, right?
• 24:25
  Vipul Bindra: You buy a 10-year-old Ari camera, it still consider shoots amazing, you can still use it, look beautiful.
• 24:32
  Vipul Bindra: The problem with the Reds is they're they're innovative, which is good.
• 24:36
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but you know, they come out with like DSMC uh three, then the all the DSMC2 cameras that you talk about that were 50 grand and now four grand.
• 24:43
  Vipul Bindra: It's like because it's completely just you know, uh, I don't know, uh obsolete essentially.
• 24:49
  Vipul Bindra: The other thing is there was no demand.
• 24:51
  Vipul Bindra: The demand was created, the hype was uh from a couple people.
• 24:55
  Vipul Bindra: I think it was Michael Bay was using it for Transformers, and then um I think um uh some YouTubers started showing it off.
• 25:03
  Vipul Bindra: But uh ultimately, uh, as somebody who's in the industry, and again, I can only speak from the corporate commercial side.
• 25:09
  Vipul Bindra: Uh-huh.
• 25:09
  Vipul Bindra: I have never had anyone ask for a red camera.
• 25:12
  Vipul Bindra: The only time was if we're doing virtual production, we tend to prefer the new V-Raptors, and that too because of the global shutter.
• 25:18
  Vipul Bindra: It's nothing to do with the red.
• 25:19
  Vipul Bindra: They are very high-quality cameras with a global shutter, which is perfect for virtual production.
• 25:25
  Vipul Bindra: So that's when they tend to get deployed.
• 25:27
  Vipul Bindra: But to be honest, I don't remember the last time somebody asked me, like, we need a red camera.
• 25:33
  Vipul Bindra: It's usually, again, the hype that you're going into, you know, not that they're bad cameras, especially the new ones.
• 25:39
  Vipul Bindra: Um, you know, the the Raptors and the Komodo X's or whatever.
• 25:42
  Vipul Bindra: They're they're beautiful cameras, but they have their limitations, you know.
• 25:45
  Vipul Bindra: Uh they take forever to start.
• 25:47
  Vipul Bindra: You know, usually, I at least for me, when I used to shoot a lot more red, it was like you always have to have a backup body.
• 25:54
  Vipul Bindra: Can you imagine having a $40,000 camera and then having another $40,000 camera that sits there because you never know when this one's gonna stop working on you?
• 26:02
  Vipul Bindra: It was ridiculous, you know, exactly.
• 26:04
  Vipul Bindra: So uh, but then there's the advantages.
• 26:07
  Vipul Bindra: And to be honest, the advantages are again, if you're not shooting correctly, because it has that, you know, that traffic light system, as long as you're not peaking your RGB or whatever value, then you can go and post and recover it.
• 26:18
  Vipul Bindra: You could completely be off with your white balance and ISO and everything, and you just go, as long as you didn't, you know, uh what do you call um overshoot, you know, the channel, each of the channel, like it's not lost.
• 26:29
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you can basically go and post and recover it, which is amazing, you know.
• 26:33
  Vipul Bindra: But but the whole point is then how bad of a filmmaker are you, or or you know, how uncontrolled of a situation are you in where all that matters, and that deeply am saying that you really need to recover all that information that comes back to again choosing between raw and not raw, right?
• 26:50
  Vipul Bindra: And obviously, their raw is one of the best because I think they have patents on it and everything as well.
• 26:55
  Vipul Bindra: Uh but anyway, my long short is I as a business, nobody wants red, and if they do, it's usually in music videos or maybe some short films or movies where they don't have budget.
• 27:06
  Vipul Bindra: Anytime there's a budget, I have never seen anything else asked outside of either an Ari or a Venice or Venice 2.
• 27:14
  Vipul Bindra: And um, and even Ari, like there it's really literally nowadays mini LF or 35.
• 27:20
  Vipul Bindra: Very rarely have seen a mini even now.
• 27:22
  Vipul Bindra: So those are going almost obsolete, at least for my type of work.
• 27:27
  Vipul Bindra: And then same thing, corporate is just Sony, it's just somehow they've cornered the market.
• 27:31
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, like I said, no, I've I had one request for Canon in the last four or five years.
• 27:36
  Vipul Bindra: Nobody wants Canon anymore, but it's the buttons, it's the opposite, Logan.
• 27:40
  Vipul Bindra: But think about this way: like you're doing reels, you can shoot them, whatever.
• 27:44
  Vipul Bindra: You bring a black magic, a Lumix, uh, uh, a Sony, a Canon, even in our.
• 27:49
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, it's what do you want?
• 27:50
  Vipul Bindra: Who who's gonna care?
• 27:51
  Vipul Bindra: As long as you can rotate it, and you can and you can give them the reels that they want.
• 27:55
  Vipul Bindra: So, uh, and and funny enough, I've done more shoots on an iPhone.
• 27:59
  Vipul Bindra: Talk about requests.
• 28:00
  Vipul Bindra: I'm so glad I just thought of this.
• 28:02
  Vipul Bindra: I've had more people ask for an iPhone than red or black magic or Canon or any of these cameras.
• 28:08
  Vipul Bindra: So that is now a trend.
• 28:10
  Vipul Bindra: Yep, you better get good at making full videos with iPhones, and and a lot of people think iPhone means oh, cheap videos.
• 28:16
  Vipul Bindra: No, a good client when they're making UCG content or or any of the content where it needs to be shot on an iPhone, that does not mean my budget or team gets reduced.
• 28:25
  Vipul Bindra: We still have lighting and sound and really high quality talented people.
• 28:30
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, the rate doesn't change.
• 28:31
  Vipul Bindra: Like my rate doesn't change if you ask me to shoot an iPhone or an FX6.
• 28:35
  Vipul Bindra: Why do I care?
• 28:36
  Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
• 28:37
  Vipul Bindra: I hope that makes sense.
• 28:38
  Vipul Bindra: It's but it is a tool that is getting very popular.
• 28:41
  Vipul Bindra: So I do see value in that.
• 28:44
  Vipul Bindra: That learning all these apps, you know, the Black Magic app or whatever app to be able to get the most out of your cell phone.
• 28:50
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so that trend is something new, you know.
• 28:53
  Logan Walker: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:54
  Logan Walker: So when you are doing shoots with an iPhone, you're always using the Black Magic app.
• 28:58
  Vipul Bindra: Well, it depends.
• 28:58
  Vipul Bindra: To be honest, I like the default app.
• 29:00
  Vipul Bindra: People may not like it.
• 29:01
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but yes, you can control, you know, your shutter speed and all that.
• 29:04
  Vipul Bindra: So if it that does matter.
• 29:05
  Vipul Bindra: If I'm doing a reel or whatever, a lot of times I may just even use the default app.
• 29:09
  Vipul Bindra: But no, if I'm doing like, yeah, paid video, I'm talking with budget.
• 29:13
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, we want to use an app like Blackmagic where we can control the shutter speed, we can control the ice, so we can get you know some some control back into it.
• 29:21
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, we can also shoot in log, you know, all all the all the stuff.
• 29:24
  Logan Walker: Yeah, yeah, it's it's so incredible what the phones can do now.
• 29:27
  Logan Walker: I um I finally got a phone that supports the Black Magic app in S25 Ultra, and they finally added Samsung Log to it, and I've been playing around with it.
• 29:35
  Logan Walker: I'm just amazed.
• 29:36
  Logan Walker: Like I was thinking about five, ten years ago.
• 29:40
  Logan Walker: I never thought it would look this good ever.
• 29:42
  Vipul Bindra: No, we just did a shoot, and I don't mention it in the season before, but like the shoot that we did of the car track, Mario.
• 29:48
  Vipul Bindra: Talk about the footage, how incredible that looked.
• 29:50
  Vipul Bindra: That was just pocket threes.
• 29:53
  Mario Rangel: Yeah.
• 29:53
  Mario Rangel: I think both we were amazed, like we were shocked like how good it looked like with a tiny, tiny camera.
• 30:02
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's one-inch sensor and it looks incredible.
• 30:05
  Vipul Bindra: Um so now, yes, there's limitations.
• 30:07
  Vipul Bindra: We can tell it's a small sensor, the depth of field, you know, the the the the I don't know, the lens choices that you have.
• 30:14
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, there's a lot of limitations, what I'm saying.
• 30:16
  Vipul Bindra: Right, but at the same time, you go back to the first Osmo, it looked bad.
• 30:22
  Vipul Bindra: And I don't I don't I never liked that footage, but even I'm like pocket three, and and you know what's annoying me?
• 30:27
  Vipul Bindra: Because I never considered that camera, it's not part of my workflow.
• 30:30
  Vipul Bindra: I never needed it.
• 30:31
  Vipul Bindra: You could have bought like I think Hosco, I saw them selling for like 400 bucks or something like that.
• 30:37
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, oh, good for vloggers or whatever.
• 30:39
  Vipul Bindra: And I just passed that, didn't care, you know.
• 30:41
  Vipul Bindra: And now, because of tariffs, the camera's doubled.
• 30:44
  Vipul Bindra: I think uh it's like nine, eight hundred uh nine hundred, two thousand dollars for the package with the creator combo.
• 30:50
  Vipul Bindra: But point is a camera that I saw, and Justin kind of introduced me to it more than you know, just YouTube videos.
• 30:57
  Vipul Bindra: Uh Justin, who's on last season, you know, he was doing a lot of pocket content.
• 31:02
  Vipul Bindra: Um, and I know in that uh the title makes it look like that's Holly Shoots on he shoots on other cameras too.
• 31:07
  Vipul Bindra: But that was just the primary conversation because it was different to me that you can make a living with a Pocket 3 camera.
• 31:12
  Vipul Bindra: Anyway, so I never considered could have even bought one then.
• 31:16
  Vipul Bindra: And now when we needed it for a shoot, I was like, I need a Pocket 3, let me go buy one.
• 31:20
  Vipul Bindra: Thousand dollars.
• 31:21
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, what happened?
• 31:22
  Vipul Bindra: I personally remember just walking past it, you know, like seeing for $400.
• 31:26
  Vipul Bindra: So the prices on these cameras more than double.
• 31:29
  Vipul Bindra: I think even without accessories, it's like $800.
• 31:32
  Vipul Bindra: So it's quite literally double of what I've seen the price for it.
• 31:35
  Vipul Bindra: Um, and I think same thing, creator combo was like about $500 or like uh at a discounted rate.
• 31:41
  Vipul Bindra: Um, so yeah, the prices have doubled, and I don't know if it's worth a thousand bucks, but again, the quality on the camera is so incredible.
• 31:50
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, just like your cell phone, I think this is the chips or whatever the processing is going on.
• 31:54
  Vipul Bindra: But at the end of the day, if you're making reels or you're making cheaper content or or content where you want it to look like a person made it, even if it's professional, I think these cameras have come a long way.
• 32:05
  Vipul Bindra: It's just surprising to me like what you can capture with a tiny sensor.
• 32:10
  Logan Walker: I I mean at this point, I think it's it's mostly just the software carrying everything.
• 32:13
  Logan Walker: Because if you can look at a video that's comparing something small like a phone or micro four-thirds and a large format camera on a phone screen, and you're looking at them, some people won't be able to tell the difference at all if if you're not doing like a dynamic range test.
• 32:28
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, whatever.
• 32:29
  Vipul Bindra: Or or if you're not trained, and that's what like and I get it.
• 32:32
  Vipul Bindra: Filmmakers are snobs, I get it.
• 32:35
  Vipul Bindra: I can look at footage and go, and I've done that sometimes, you know, I'm like with a clam, like uh, you know, like but but point I'm trying to make is most regular people don't care.
• 32:46
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know how much we think that people care about dynamic range and windows being blown.
• 32:52
  Vipul Bindra: Like if you go watch real Hollywood movies, it it like Killbill, I think, is one example, or where Quentin Tarantino, like quite literally, the windows are blown out.
• 33:02
  Vipul Bindra: Like, here it'd be like if you nowadays, I'm saying you make a video, windows are blown out, you put on YouTube, first comment would be you know, you overexpose the shot or whatever, right?
• 33:11
  Vipul Bindra: So, point I'm trying to make is we are all snobs, we all have like the skin tone is too green or pink or whatever, like there's a certain thing you like, but the truth is in art, right?
• 33:21
  Vipul Bindra: There's two elements to filmmaking.
• 33:24
  Vipul Bindra: One's the science of it, right?
• 33:25
  Vipul Bindra: The shutter speed, the motion bladder that's gonna cry.
• 33:28
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, the technical side of it.
• 33:30
  Vipul Bindra: But and that those are the choices that you make, right?
• 33:33
  Vipul Bindra: And then the other side of it is the art of it, you know.
• 33:36
  Vipul Bindra: Does that mean if you you know, if the shot is overexposed, it's just wrong?
• 33:41
  Vipul Bindra: If the the skin, the color grading is a certain way, is that wrong?
• 33:44
  Vipul Bindra: At the end of the day, it's it's an emotion and storytelling tool that you're using.
• 33:49
  Vipul Bindra: And as long as your audience gets it, they get it.
• 33:52
  Vipul Bindra: You know, I think it's just also and it's okay.
• 33:55
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying your filmmaker buddies will always critique it and find things in it.
• 33:58
  Vipul Bindra: Like I say, you give me a video, I can I can probably find a million flaws.
• 34:02
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm sure the same thing.
• 34:03
  Vipul Bindra: Somebody's like, oh, his video, I can do that, right?
• 34:06
  Vipul Bindra: They don't see the other side of it.
• 34:07
  Vipul Bindra: What's creative, what's intentional, what's actually getting us the results, which is what matters, especially in corporate world.
• 34:14
  Vipul Bindra: A business does not care how expensive the camera is.
• 34:18
  Vipul Bindra: Like, shout out again to Steven.
• 34:19
  Vipul Bindra: Listen to his episode last season, the the president of the Chamber of Commerce.
• 34:23
  Vipul Bindra: He had a very good perspective on it.
• 34:24
  Vipul Bindra: He's hiring you, if let's say he, and as a client perspective, I'm saying if he's hiring you or anyone else is hiring you, they're hiring you.
• 34:33
  Vipul Bindra: They're leaving the technical and creative to you.
• 34:36
  Vipul Bindra: They may have some ideas, but the rest is on you.
• 34:39
  Vipul Bindra: They don't care if you bring a black magic.
• 34:42
  Vipul Bindra: They probably wouldn't even know.
• 34:43
  Vipul Bindra: And if they were, let's say, a nerd who does like technology, they'll be like, oh, black magic camera, right?
• 34:48
  Vipul Bindra: They're not gonna be like, oh, you're using black magic camera.
• 34:50
  Vipul Bindra: Like, I hope that makes sense.
• 34:52
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 34:52
  Vipul Bindra: Sense for so mostly what they're looking for is creative vision, and that has to be what you like and your client likes, and then their audience likes.
• 35:01
  Vipul Bindra: I don't think it you are trying to appease in filmmaker audience, or if you keep doing it, then I mean that's fine, but then you'll just never progress because you know they will find now.
• 35:11
  Vipul Bindra: That's why when I people ask me for critique, I always ask like you're asking from the business perspective to or creative perspective.
• 35:18
  Vipul Bindra: Because to me, creative is a little uh, you know, unnecessary in corporate filmmaking.
• 35:22
  Vipul Bindra: Now, business perspective is very important.
• 35:24
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, is this video gonna get you some results?
• 35:26
  Vipul Bindra: Then I can talk about hey, storytelling elements like hey, this could have been cut faster or slower, or this video could be cut, you know, shorter, or why is the person looking straight at camera when we should be observing them?
• 35:38
  Vipul Bindra: Or why are we observing them when they're talking directly to the audience?
• 35:41
  Vipul Bindra: You know, it's things like that, framing the choices that actually affect uh how the story is being told and how the audience is perceiving it, to me, is far more important than you know, technical or creative.
• 35:54
  Vipul Bindra: 100%, yeah.
• 35:56
  Logan Walker: With our uh couples for all the years we've been shooting, not once has anyone asked what camera do you guys shoot with?
• 36:01
  Logan Walker: They don't care.
• 36:02
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 36:03
  Logan Walker: You when especially for weddings now, I mean in social media in general, you're selling yourself.
• 36:07
  Logan Walker: Like I like your personality.
• 36:09
  Logan Walker: Yeah, I know that if I hire you, my day's gonna go well.
• 36:12
  Logan Walker: I want you to be there.
• 36:13
  Logan Walker: They don't they don't give a shit if we show up with a Canon M50 or a Pixas 12K.
• 36:19
  Logan Walker: Yeah, they don't care.
• 36:20
  Vipul Bindra: As long as the tool does the job, it's kind of like okay, I hired an electrician to come do some work in my house.
• 36:26
  Vipul Bindra: Do I care what pliers and what wire strippers they bought?
• 36:31
  Vipul Bindra: Now I expect here's the here's the minimum though, on the other side of it.
• 36:35
  Vipul Bindra: I do expect a professional that I hired that I'm paying a lot of money to will come with the right tools, right?
• 36:40
  Vipul Bindra: As long as they come, they do the job, they leave, the job is done correctly.
• 36:45
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, awesome, right?
• 36:46
  Vipul Bindra: And yeah, if they came in and they did a bad job or didn't have the right tool, they're you know, trying to strip wires with their mouth or whatever, I'll be like, uh, you know what I mean?
• 36:56
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so so it's so I get it.
• 36:58
  Vipul Bindra: Like, you know, you showed up with a disposable camera.
• 37:00
  Vipul Bindra: I'm sure the client would be like, What?
• 37:03
  Vipul Bindra: But at the end of the day, they don't care the difference between this, like say DSL.
• 37:07
  Vipul Bindra: So I had Jason Cannon on the podcast, right?
• 37:09
  Vipul Bindra: Photographer, he does vetting photos.
• 37:11
  Vipul Bindra: Same thing.
• 37:12
  Vipul Bindra: He's like, I'm still on DSLR, and you know, uh, somebody listening to this will be like, what?
• 37:16
  Vipul Bindra: You know, mirrorless has been out for so long.
• 37:18
  Vipul Bindra: But at the end of the day, clients don't care.
• 37:20
  Vipul Bindra: If it's giving you good images, the vettings are going great.
• 37:24
  Vipul Bindra: Why does it matter?
• 37:25
  Vipul Bindra: You have been moved on.
• 37:26
  Vipul Bindra: You know, there's a mirror in your camera, sure.
• 37:28
  Vipul Bindra: Like you know what I mean, like doesn't change anything.
• 37:30
  Vipul Bindra: It doesn't change now.
• 37:31
  Vipul Bindra: Sure, again, maybe the cameras nowadays are better or whatever, but again, you can do your job, you can get the results, clients are happy, is how business works.
• 37:41
  Vipul Bindra: And this is what I'm saying.
• 37:42
  Vipul Bindra: There's a difference between being in love or passionate about the industry and then doing this for someone else for money, if that makes sense.
• 37:51
  Vipul Bindra: And that's where the the the line needs to be found.
• 37:55
  Vipul Bindra: And it's there's it's okay.
• 37:56
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just saying if somebody's listening who's like a filmmaker and they want to make the best movies, they want to use a red camera to get the most dynamic range and uh go make some really, really amazing footage, they can, especially if you have time, everyone's volunteering their time.
• 38:11
  Vipul Bindra: You have two hours, three hours to set up every little thing, then you can.
• 38:15
  Vipul Bindra: And and that'd be great.
• 38:17
  Vipul Bindra: But that does not mean that's a business thing, right?
• 38:20
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, versus when you're selling, you're going to a company and you're saying, hey, pay me thousands of dollars of money, and I'm gonna give you something in return that's gonna make you at least 5x, 10x that money.
• 38:32
  Vipul Bindra: Because nobody's gonna give you $2,000 if they're gonna make $500 from it or nothing from it.
• 38:37
  Vipul Bindra: I hope that makes sense.
• 38:38
  Vipul Bindra: Yep.
• 38:38
  Vipul Bindra: And that's where the value is.
• 38:40
  Vipul Bindra: The value isn't how beautiful the image is.
• 38:43
  Vipul Bindra: Now, yes, you want it to be professional, good looking, got nice color grade.
• 38:47
  Vipul Bindra: All those are because they expect you to already do that.
• 38:50
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, right.
• 38:51
  Vipul Bindra: They they shouldn't even have to ask for it, shoot it well.
• 38:54
  Vipul Bindra: Uh-huh.
• 38:54
  Vipul Bindra: Because if you're at that stage, then you need to go work for other people, right?
• 38:58
  Vipul Bindra: Uh right, don't do you agree with that.
• 38:59
  Vipul Bindra: No, no, no.
• 39:00
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so I think people are just the two mix a lot, which is the creative and like making the art with you know, filmmaking for making money for the client, whether it's directly or indirectly.
• 39:14
  Vipul Bindra: Because sometimes video may be about training, so there's no direct ROI, but there is indirect ROI.
• 39:20
  Vipul Bindra: Because if you don't have to keep training that person over and over again, or you can save hours with a real trainer, there is money being saved, right?
• 39:27
  Vipul Bindra: But it may not be as direct as sales, right?
• 39:29
  Vipul Bindra: So, not all videos are immediate moneymakers, but they are still making money from that video, if if it's in even if it's indirect.
• 39:37
  Vipul Bindra: So, anyway, I like it.
• 39:38
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, I like doing corporate and commercial filmmaking.
• 39:41
  Vipul Bindra: I love being able to make some something amazing for my client, and then they make money.
• 39:46
  Vipul Bindra: And to me, that's filmmaking.
• 39:47
  Vipul Bindra: I put my heart and soul into it.
• 39:49
  Vipul Bindra: But I get it.
• 39:50
  Vipul Bindra: Somebody who makes movies may be like, that's not art.
• 39:52
  Vipul Bindra: You know, yeah, you're just making some interviews and you know art.
• 39:56
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
• 39:56
  Vipul Bindra: So it's like at that point, you know, you just go, okay, that's fine, you know.
• 40:00
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but anyway, but I at least for my projects, I am planning everything.
• 40:04
  Vipul Bindra: I planning ISO app, you know, like what aperture I'm gonna be at, what shutter speed I'm gonna be at.
• 40:09
  Vipul Bindra: Like when we show up, quite literally the only thing you can change is lighting.
• 40:13
  Vipul Bindra: Because I'm fixed or ND.
• 40:15
  Vipul Bindra: I'm fixed.
• 40:16
  Vipul Bindra: Like, this is the settings even before I show up, because that's the look I want for the project.
• 40:20
  Vipul Bindra: You know, so it's like it is what we want, and then we can control lighting, and that's why lighting is key.
• 40:26
  Vipul Bindra: You have to go there and you know, you have to light, and then sometimes what happens is the other side people don't look at it.
• 40:31
  Vipul Bindra: That's why I don't judge most people's work because I've had that happen where um you know you go in and it's like, oh, you 15 minutes.
• 40:38
  Vipul Bindra: Mario was me with me on a shoot where you know we would be set up the first set for two hours, and then it was like, Oh, you 15 minutes, and it's like uh what to change the set completely, and it's like uh, and then you know, we're trying to move as fast as possible, and it's not done because it's not realistic to swap sets in 15 minutes.
• 40:57
  Vipul Bindra: Um and uh and and I'm not even counting the 45 minutes we spent switching the furniture out.
• 41:03
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, and then you know, and then like we gotta roll.
• 41:06
  Vipul Bindra: And then what do you do as a professional?
• 41:07
  Vipul Bindra: You I'm not gonna sit there and be like, no, I need more time to set up the lighting correctly.
• 41:11
  Vipul Bindra: So you gotta do it.
• 41:12
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, we're rolling.
• 41:13
  Vipul Bindra: And you know, to be honest, it wasn't bad for 15 minutes.
• 41:16
  Vipul Bindra: Now, first if somebody looked at our first shots, they'd be like, wow, you know, the reactions we got were Netflix and beautiful and amazing.
• 41:23
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm sure next thing they're like, uh that person there looks a little darker, that looks a darker, right?
• 41:28
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm just like, same, same quality of people, same level of equipment.
• 41:33
  Vipul Bindra: It's just the difference is we didn't have time to to set anything.
• 41:37
  Vipul Bindra: It doesn't matter how talented people are or how much equipment we have.
• 41:42
  Vipul Bindra: If there's no time, there's no time.
• 41:44
  Logan Walker: And that's the thing with when you go online too and look at YouTube or um corporate stuff, when you critique other people's work, you don't know the circumstances it was shot in.
• 41:52
  Logan Walker: You don't know if they had hours to set up or if they're like, you need to do it right now and you have 10 minutes.
• 41:57
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 41:57
  Vipul Bindra: And that's the art of that's how you make it into business.
• 41:59
  Vipul Bindra: That's why so many people I know who were great artists, who could great make great images, didn't make it.
• 42:05
  Vipul Bindra: You know, they went out of business.
• 42:07
  Vipul Bindra: And the simple thing is that it's just they couldn't figure out the business side of things.
• 42:11
  Vipul Bindra: Like uh, you have to understand what you provide, right?
• 42:15
  Vipul Bindra: And that could be different for everyone, but you have to sit down and say, what is the value that I'm giving to this client, right?
• 42:22
  Vipul Bindra: And uh, and we can talk more about pricing structures based on that, because that's why some people go, like, what do I charge?
• 42:27
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, I don't know because I don't know the value that you're giving to your clients, right?
• 42:32
  Vipul Bindra: And the value doesn't always have to be in direct, like sure, direct can be like I'm bringing four people and four cameras and this much equipment, right?
• 42:41
  Vipul Bindra: But it's all a lot of times indirect.
• 42:42
  Vipul Bindra: It's like, look, I I know what I'm doing, and I know my video will make you, you know, 10x more sales or whatever.
• 42:49
  Vipul Bindra: And that just comes from experience having done that.
• 42:52
  Vipul Bindra: You know, it's not like uh you can just magically wake up one day and like I mean, if you can, sure.
• 42:57
  Vipul Bindra: But but you know, like you can make a video where you're like, oh, their business is doubled.
• 43:01
  Vipul Bindra: So once you do this enough and you keep hearing constantly from your clients that that it did work, then that's the value you're providing.
• 43:08
  Vipul Bindra: Then you can go tell other people, like, look, this is what I did for them.
• 43:12
  Vipul Bindra: Let me do that for you.
• 43:13
  Vipul Bindra: Then at that point, that's the value you're providing.
• 43:15
  Vipul Bindra: And people are willing to pay that.
• 43:17
  Vipul Bindra: I'm not like I've said this example before, I'm a video company.
• 43:20
  Vipul Bindra: But if somebody comes and says, Hey, I'll make a video for you that gives you, I don't know, 10 new clients that are worth X number of money, you know, I'd be like, sure, sign me up.
• 43:30
  Vipul Bindra: Like people get weirded out about it.
• 43:33
  Vipul Bindra: I have I've actually open to making videos for other video companies and I've had help people in the past.
• 43:38
  Vipul Bindra: I have helped countless other filmmakers because I'm like, why would I care?
• 43:42
  Vipul Bindra: My job is to help brands and businesses.
• 43:44
  Vipul Bindra: I don't care that they're filmmakers.
• 43:47
  Vipul Bindra: There's no competition because we're we're there's enough work for everyone.
• 43:51
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 43:52
  Vipul Bindra: So what I'm saying is, my goal is to help brands and businesses.
• 43:54
  Vipul Bindra: I don't care what type of business they are, as long as you know we I see a value that I can provide.
• 43:59
  Vipul Bindra: Value they can get from me and we can come to terms on a f on a number, then absolutely.
• 44:06
  Vipul Bindra: But you're talking about that pricing.
• 44:09
  Vipul Bindra: How do you price uh you you see at least pricing from corporate work?
• 44:14
  Vipul Bindra: So you said you're doing more social social media stuff, right?
• 44:18
  Logan Walker: So I don't know pricing for social media because I work for a company where I do the shooting, but I don't handle the client and delivery.
• 44:26
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, so you're doing you're basically the freelancer, right?
• 44:28
  Vipul Bindra: So what what rates are you charging to do corporate stuff like that?
• 44:33
  Logan Walker: So I'm kind of on I'm a contractor, but I'm also kind of like a retainer.
• 44:39
  Logan Walker: Um so I get paid like a fixed rate every month, and then on the days that I need to fly or travel to go to a client, I'll get like a little bonus on top of it.
• 44:51
  Vipul Bindra: Okay.
• 44:51
  Vipul Bindra: So how many days do you is it like that uh so it's a retainer, so I have to booked you for a certain number of days every month?
• 44:59
  Logan Walker: It's not a very traditional setup.
• 45:01
  Logan Walker: So basically what my job entails is I shoot content for about a four-hour period at a time for each client.
• 45:10
  Logan Walker: Okay, and it's every week is different.
• 45:11
  Logan Walker: I could have one shoot, two shoots, or no shoots.
• 45:14
  Vipul Bindra: Okay.
• 45:15
  Logan Walker: Um, and then when the reels that I shoot get sent off to editors, they'll get updated or uploaded to frame, and then I'll do like quality control and make sure they're good to go.
• 45:24
  Logan Walker: And then I re-upload them into a drive saying like now these are ready to be posted, and then someone else will create the uh upload schedule for those.
• 45:34
  Vipul Bindra: That's pretty neat that uh you've been able to find that.
• 45:36
  Vipul Bindra: How'd you how'd you land that gig?
• 45:39
  Logan Walker: So it's actually um my friend and his wife have known them for a couple years.
• 45:44
  Logan Walker: They had an opening and I just said, Hey, I want to do it.
• 45:46
  Logan Walker: So they pulled me in.
• 45:48
  Logan Walker: So it's nice because it's a very nice job, and uh, I've already known the people for a while, so I know it's it's legit and it's good, and it's it's been interesting.
• 45:56
  Logan Walker: A lot of it's the first time in my life I've flown somewhere and came back the same day.
• 46:00
  Logan Walker: It's it's weird.
• 46:01
  Logan Walker: Where did you fly?
• 46:03
  Logan Walker: Um, in the past month I've been to Washington, DC, Mississippi, New York twice, California, and then this coming Tuesday, I'm going back to California.
• 46:12
  Logan Walker: But those ones I will I'll stay one night.
• 46:15
  Vipul Bindra: That's so crazy though, that you so you're basically traveling to cities that you can shooting reels or whatever and just flying back.
• 46:22
  Vipul Bindra: That's literally the job.
• 46:24
  Vipul Bindra: Wow.
• 46:24
  Vipul Bindra: Does it pay well?
• 46:25
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, is it like a day rate?
• 46:27
  Vipul Bindra: Or is it like uh you said it's a salary though?
• 46:30
  Logan Walker: So yeah, it's like a fixed rate per month.
• 46:32
  Logan Walker: Like no matter what, you're gonna make this amount.
• 46:33
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 46:34
  Logan Walker: Um, and then the days that I travel, I get a bonus.
• 46:37
  Logan Walker: So or the days that I fly.
• 46:40
  Logan Walker: So sometimes we have clients here in um like Tampa, Orlando, Quinta Gorda, and that's just I don't think I get a bonus for those, but the days that I fly have to go to the MCO or Sanford, like they'll give me a bonus.
• 46:51
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, that's pretty neat.
• 46:52
  Vipul Bindra: That's a that's a weird, interesting gig.
• 46:55
  Vipul Bindra: I've never heard of it, but I mean, hey, if it works for them, so I'm guessing they're an agency, they're landing these clients that need these reels.
• 47:02
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, what gear are you taking with you?
• 47:05
  Logan Walker: So we're either we're using all Sony's, of course.
• 47:08
  Logan Walker: Um, either an FX3 or an A7S3.
• 47:11
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so pretty similar.
• 47:12
  Vipul Bindra: Uh yeah, awesome.
• 47:14
  Vipul Bindra: That and and you own these, or they even provide the gear?
• 47:16
  Vipul Bindra: They provide.
• 47:17
  Vipul Bindra: Wow.
• 47:18
  Logan Walker: I show up with my favorite little top handle and a pair of headphones and my Kindle.
• 47:22
  Logan Walker: That's it.
• 47:23
  Logan Walker: That's it.
• 47:24
  Vipul Bindra: Wow.
• 47:24
  Vipul Bindra: That's a job, right, Mari.
• 47:26
  Vipul Bindra: You want it?
• 47:28
  Vipul Bindra: It is.
• 47:28
  Vipul Bindra: You show up with a top handle, a Kindle too for entertainment, headphones.
• 47:32
  Vipul Bindra: That's about it.
• 47:34
  Vipul Bindra: Maybe a backpack, you know.
• 47:35
  Mario Rangel: I don't know.
• 47:35
  Mario Rangel: And you get to travel.
• 47:37
  Mario Rangel: Yeah, that's really cool.
• 47:38
  Logan Walker: Yeah, it's fun.
• 47:39
  Logan Walker: But it's it's kind of hectic.
• 47:41
  Logan Walker: I mean, it's cool that we're flying everywhere, but I'm not really vacationing or there to see a lot because get it, we get out of the airport, take an Uber to the client, shoot, back to the airport.
• 47:50
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's pretty much it.
• 47:51
  Vipul Bindra: Have you had an issue where the flight got delayed or canceled and you didn't make it?
• 47:56
  Logan Walker: So last not this, not yesterday, of course, but last Friday before, we were going to Cedarhurst, New York, which is just east of Queens for a client there.
• 48:06
  Logan Walker: A um, so most of the clients are martial artists, okay, uh, instructors.
• 48:10
  Logan Walker: And uh we were flying jet blue, and we got stuck on the plane on the tarmac for three hours because of the weather, because they it took them forever to load the luggage.
• 48:22
  Logan Walker: Then they had uh Deload.
• 48:24
  Logan Walker: We go back and they're like, okay, well, shoot was supposed to happen today.
• 48:28
  Logan Walker: Do we want to move it to tomorrow morning and still fly, or do we want to reschedule?
• 48:33
  Logan Walker: I'm like, you know, we're at the airport, we have our gear list, let's just do it.
• 48:36
  Logan Walker: So we ended up flying that night and then shooting the next day.
• 48:41
  Logan Walker: Um, but yeah, it was just a long time staying at the airport.
• 48:44
  Logan Walker: I wasn't packed to stay the night anywhere, so I just had some deodorant with me.
• 48:48
  Logan Walker: So that wasn't fun.
• 48:50
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's what you gotta do.
• 48:51
  Vipul Bindra: You gotta do what you can do.
• 48:52
  Vipul Bindra: No, that's why I'm like always hesitant when client wants to, you know, fly the day you gotta do anything.
• 48:57
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, there's a high chance you know the flight gets delayed or something happens.
• 49:02
  Vipul Bindra: Like you said, I've had wherever you sit on the tarmac, and it's like, what?
• 49:05
  Vipul Bindra: It sucks.
• 49:06
  Vipul Bindra: And then uh, and it's also yeah, annoying too, because you're in a cramped seat, you know, basically sitting doing nothing.
• 49:12
  Vipul Bindra: Um, and then also um sometimes uh obviously you didn't have check baggage because you only had limited equipment, but if you're bringing a decent amount of equipment, sometimes baggage doesn't make it, you know.
• 49:23
  Vipul Bindra: So the last thing you want to do is be there and then like uh but all my tripods and lighting and everything else is in this check bag that's not here, that could also be a problem.
• 49:32
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm I always like to come a day early, and that was for sure, you know.
• 49:37
  Vipul Bindra: You you know you can do it.
• 49:38
  Vipul Bindra: But like you said, if you're just moving fast and nimble and uh the budgets aren't there, because I'm sure reels they can only charge so much, uh, you know, and then they gotta pay you and make a profit and all that stuff, right?
• 49:51
  Vipul Bindra: That that is the best way to go about it.
• 49:53
  Logan Walker: So the clients don't, to my knowledge, because I don't handle this side, but the clients don't pay for for a per reel basis.
• 50:01
  Logan Walker: It's I think it's for a session.
• 50:03
  Logan Walker: So when we go, we try to get usually around at least 45 reels done in four hours, which is a lot of reels, yeah.
• 50:12
  Logan Walker: Um, and then we mark in a calendar, okay.
• 50:15
  Logan Walker: We have 45 reels, one post a day.
• 50:17
  Logan Walker: We need to come back at least this date so we get more content.
• 50:21
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 50:22
  Logan Walker: So of course, the more that they're prepared, the more they're in the game, we can get more reels, which means they don't have to pay for us to come back sooner.
• 50:28
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 50:28
  Vipul Bindra: So what kind of reels are they?
• 50:29
  Vipul Bindra: They're just talking to the camera, giving tips and stuff, or they actually doing uh martial arts or whatever.
• 50:35
  Logan Walker: Uh it's a combination of both.
• 50:37
  Logan Walker: So good variety.
• 50:38
  Logan Walker: What's really popular on social media is of course reactions, just reacting to someone calling you out, someone doing something crazy, and people want to hear your thoughts about it.
• 50:48
  Logan Walker: Um, so it's that it's explaining something to camera, um, and also like showing moves, uh martial artists.
• 50:56
  Logan Walker: We do mostly um jujitsu, Muay Thai, and karate.
• 51:02
  Logan Walker: So it's interesting.
• 51:04
  Logan Walker: Not that the company only does that, but word of mouth spreads.
• 51:08
  Logan Walker: Yeah, you get one client, they're like, Oh, I want why I want who do you use?
• 51:11
  Logan Walker: Yeah, exactly.
• 51:11
  Vipul Bindra: And then you end up doing all the same thing.
• 51:14
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I mean, it is that's why like the the the thing people give advice is like always niche down.
• 51:20
  Vipul Bindra: The more you niche, the better it is, even though it sounds crazy.
• 51:23
  Vipul Bindra: The thing is, when you're an expert in the in in one thing, then you are the expert in that thing, right?
• 51:29
  Vipul Bindra: Yep, and then everyone wants in that niche wants to work with you.
• 51:32
  Vipul Bindra: When you're broader, you know, you're generic and it's just hard to but but I get it.
• 51:37
  Vipul Bindra: For people like me, I would just get bored out of my mind.
• 51:40
  Vipul Bindra: Like when you're telling me, I was like, oh, this sounds exciting, but then I'm like, oh, gotta do this always, every single day, over and like not day, every single day, but you know what I mean, over and over and over again.
• 51:50
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, oh, that may get boring.
• 51:52
  Vipul Bindra: So it's kind of like that.
• 51:53
  Vipul Bindra: At least for me personally, I like going to a variety of different brands and businesses where they're doing completely different things.
• 52:00
  Vipul Bindra: And I don't know, to me, that's exciting and fun.
• 52:02
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but that is a limiting factor because then you're like, you know, you're doing everything, so then it's like, uh, who are you expert in, you know?
• 52:10
  Vipul Bindra: And so I've kind of narrowed it to I'm expert in brands and businesses, but then that could mean you know, anything, yeah.
• 52:16
  Vipul Bindra: It's a little broad, but at least keeps me happy, you know.
• 52:19
  Vipul Bindra: Then I mean, because if my thing is if I burn out, then what's the point?
• 52:22
  Vipul Bindra: You know, yeah.
• 52:23
  Logan Walker: Well, the good thing is with this job is even though what we're filming is a lot of the same content, same same topic, you're dealing with different personalities, yeah.
• 52:33
  Logan Walker: And there's a wide range of personalities that cover the same topic.
• 52:37
  Logan Walker: So one shoot could be very um what's the word I'm looking for?
• 52:42
  Logan Walker: There's just very strong personalities that teach martial artists or martial arts.
• 52:47
  Logan Walker: So sometimes you show up, you don't know what you're gonna get.
• 52:50
  Vipul Bindra: Wow, that's crazy.
• 52:51
  Vipul Bindra: So basic basically, yeah, that I'm sure that keeps it entertaining because for you, you don't know.
• 52:56
  Vipul Bindra: Or I guess once you know, you know what to expect, I guess, with each person.
• 53:00
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 53:00
  Vipul Bindra: Um, but that's pretty cool though.
• 53:02
  Vipul Bindra: That sounds like an interesting job.
• 53:03
  Vipul Bindra: So doing vettings and then doing this corporate thing.
• 53:07
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, any preference, which do you like so far?
• 53:10
  Vipul Bindra: Or what what do you want?
• 53:13
  Logan Walker: You're saying if I had to pick between the two pick between I'll definitely go with weddings.
• 53:19
  Vipul Bindra: Weddings.
• 53:20
  Logan Walker: Because you know, I like this job because it it it pays well and I'm I like working with the people, but at the at the end of the day, I'm I like doing very um particular framing, lighting, grading.
• 53:33
  Logan Walker: Like that's where my passion is.
• 53:35
  Logan Walker: So I think if my career in filmmaking went down to just reels, I couldn't do it.
• 53:40
  Logan Walker: I think I would lose interest and burn out.
• 53:42
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 53:43
  Vipul Bindra: And and that makes sense.
• 53:44
  Vipul Bindra: That's why it's a good combination.
• 53:45
  Vipul Bindra: And I tell people, like, if it works for you, what works for you, do that.
• 53:50
  Vipul Bindra: And that that sounds pretty good because weddings are primarily on the weekends.
• 53:54
  Vipul Bindra: So if this job requires you to usually be out in on during the weekdays, then it's like a perfect combination.
• 53:59
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 54:00
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 54:00
  Vipul Bindra: Do you want to do more corporate?
• 54:02
  Vipul Bindra: Because I know so let's talk about the gig that we did together.
• 54:05
  Vipul Bindra: We did like a I would call it a documentary vow renewal for some famous celebrity couple with Adam, right?
• 54:14
  Vipul Bindra: That's the that's the gig we did together.
• 54:16
  Vipul Bindra: Yep.
• 54:16
  Vipul Bindra: And what'd you think about that gig?
• 54:18
  Logan Walker: I had a really good time.
• 54:19
  Logan Walker: Yeah, it was fun.
• 54:20
  Vipul Bindra: Very different than a real wedding, right?
• 54:22
  Logan Walker: It's very laid back.
• 54:23
  Logan Walker: I know that we didn't get any of the um like bri I don't think there was a bridal party.
• 54:29
  Logan Walker: We didn't get any like setting up shots.
• 54:31
  Logan Walker: So, you know, I typically with weddings.
• 54:32
  Logan Walker: I did go in and get some, you know, shots with her, but it wasn't like traditional yet.
• 54:36
  Logan Walker: Yeah, I mean, with weddings, a lot of like the style that we shoot is kind of documentary, but we will pose them a little bit, especially for the portraits and getting ready.
• 54:44
  Logan Walker: But that one was just very fly on the wall, just shoot it as it is.
• 54:47
  Logan Walker: Yeah, so it's it was laid back.
• 54:50
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it was like really a documentary, you know what I mean?
• 54:52
  Vipul Bindra: Like just capture what's happening here and then you're done.
• 54:55
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that was very interesting to me because like I said, normally I said Saver from Weddings or whatever, but it was like, no, no, this is a documentary, Adam.
• 55:02
  Vipul Bindra: That's how I at least Adam sold it to me.
• 55:04
  Vipul Bindra: He's like, no, no, it's just a Vower and all, and but we're shooting it like a documentary, and that's how you got up.
• 55:09
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
• 55:09
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, okay.
• 55:10
  Vipul Bindra: And he's like, it's gonna go to some entertainment tonight, some some famous magazine or whatever, I don't know, or online news outlet or whatever.
• 55:19
  Vipul Bindra: And but it was interesting to me because you know, I guess those were famous people, but I had no idea.
• 55:24
  Vipul Bindra: So uh everyone around us was like, oh, you're gonna, you know, this is gonna go out this place or whatever.
• 55:30
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know if you heard those comments, you know, that people were making like this is gonna go to this website, whatever, they're so famous.
• 55:36
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, okay, pretty cool.
• 55:38
  Vipul Bindra: I have no idea who you are, but that sounds good.
• 55:40
  Vipul Bindra: We're here to make you know good content.
• 55:42
  Logan Walker: I had for them.
• 55:42
  Logan Walker: I had no idea who they were until and I this is funny because I know who the groom was, yeah, because he was on a show that I just finished watching.
• 55:49
  Logan Walker: Oh, really?
• 55:50
  Logan Walker: And I was I had I was his on him the entire ceremony, so I was looking at his face, I'm like, You look so familiar.
• 55:56
  Logan Walker: And then when we were eating dinner and he came in, he's like, How's everyone doing?
• 56:00
  Logan Walker: I'm like, Oh, it's him.
• 56:02
  Logan Walker: So um, yeah, that was interesting, right?
• 56:07
  Vipul Bindra: And see, I hadn't even seen anything, but I met them, so I did go to the location scout day, I guess, with Adam, and she was incredible, really nice person.
• 56:15
  Vipul Bindra: And that's what I like.
• 56:16
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, a lot of people, and again, I don't want to jinx it, but a lot of people say negative things about celebrities or famous people.
• 56:22
  Vipul Bindra: I every single famous person that I've shot or been around or whatever, they have all been just nice.
• 56:29
  Vipul Bindra: Like, I've not had one bad experience.
• 56:31
  Vipul Bindra: Now, it could be that we're filming them, so they want to be they don't want to piss us off.
• 56:35
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
• 56:36
  Vipul Bindra: But I've never had a mean interaction, but then you hear these stories where like, oh, this happened and this happened, and I'm like, wow, I've never experienced that.
• 56:44
  Vipul Bindra: They're generally nice, they come in, they're professional, they do their thing, they go, you know.
• 56:48
  Vipul Bindra: And if they need somebody now something, there's always usually handlers or somebody who can give them what they need.
• 56:54
  Vipul Bindra: So I don't know.
• 56:55
  Vipul Bindra: My experience has been positive.
• 56:57
  Vipul Bindra: Um, how was your experience with that, right?
• 56:59
  Vipul Bindra: They were really nice, no problems at all.
• 57:01
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, pretty chill, pretty laid back.
• 57:03
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, how would you categorize it?
• 57:04
  Vipul Bindra: Like, how different is it and and uh like from a typical wedding?
• 57:08
  Vipul Bindra: Because we did do some of those shots.
• 57:10
  Vipul Bindra: Like, how would you have shot it differently if you were shooting it?
• 57:13
  Vipul Bindra: A regular wedding, let's say.
• 57:16
  Logan Walker: Um I think the ceremony coverage would have been very similar how we did it.
• 57:21
  Logan Walker: Um I think for well, when we do weddings, we don't really get a lot of cocktail hour.
• 57:28
  Logan Walker: Usually that time is me flying the drone if the wedding or the venue permits and it it looks nice enough to do so.
• 57:36
  Logan Walker: Getting ceremony shots, and of course, this or not ceremony, sorry, um reception shots, and of course the reception was just their pool area, so there really wasn't a lot to get.
• 57:46
  Logan Walker: Um, yeah, it would have mostly just been getting like venue shots.
• 57:49
  Logan Walker: Um maybe it would have been a little bit more in their face, but I know that because I think we're on like we were on a uh 400 millimeter lens.
• 57:56
  Logan Walker: So we would have probably been in there a little bit more, yeah, a little bit more um involved, whereas this one we kind of just backed up a little bit.
• 58:05
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that no, that also like a lot of time I was like, what are we uh supposed to do here?
• 58:09
  Vipul Bindra: Because it was very intimate, it was very small, right?
• 58:12
  Vipul Bindra: And it's like you can only get so many shots of the same thing happening.
• 58:15
  Vipul Bindra: They're having a good time.
• 58:17
  Vipul Bindra: It's like I can only zoom into this person's phone for so long until I'm like, okay, that's enough content uh for quite probably a quick cut, if anything.
• 58:27
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but no, it was fun, it was good hanging out with you.
• 58:29
  Vipul Bindra: I think Doron was there too, right?
• 58:31
  Vipul Bindra: It was the four of us.
• 58:32
  Vipul Bindra: Uh and oh, Marco too, the sound guy was there, which is so crazy.
• 58:36
  Vipul Bindra: I would never think that we would have a sound guy.
• 58:39
  Vipul Bindra: Have you never experienced anything like that?
• 58:42
  Logan Walker: No, when you're when you shoot a wedding, you do everything.
• 58:44
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, no, but what's crazy to me is like this is uh a fancy vowel renewal, or whatever you call it, is happening, and then there's a sound guy with this antenna and sound bag.
• 58:56
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 58:56
  Vipul Bindra: I've just uh never seen anything like that.
• 58:59
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm sure it happens in documentaries, but I've never done a documentary like that.
• 59:04
  Vipul Bindra: But anyway, and and having worked with sound guys, I'm like, it's okay, it's normal, but I'm just saying, I don't know.
• 59:10
  Vipul Bindra: That to me that was very interesting because I've never seen that at a wedding.
• 59:13
  Vipul Bindra: Um, you know, I don't know.
• 59:14
  Vipul Bindra: It was very interesting to me.
• 59:16
  Logan Walker: It was great.
• 59:16
  Logan Walker: I would love to have dedicated sound at a wedding.
• 59:18
  Logan Walker: I don't even want to think about it.
• 59:20
  Logan Walker: I hate doing sound, but it's just a necessary evil.
• 59:23
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that was like that that must have been so crazy for him.
• 59:26
  Vipul Bindra: He showed up, he stayed just for the wild part, and then he left.
• 59:29
  Vipul Bindra: That was it.
• 59:29
  Vipul Bindra: Yep, because he wasn't there for any of the after stuff.
• 59:32
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm like, this has to be the the shortest, coolest job ever for him.
• 59:36
  Vipul Bindra: And uh it was pretty chill too, like I said, laid back people laid back people.
• 59:40
  Vipul Bindra: And uh yeah, that that was very interesting to me.
• 59:43
  Vipul Bindra: I I really had a good time.
• 59:44
  Vipul Bindra: I think that's where we we talked a little bit and got to know because we had met at the the networking meetup, David's networking meetup, but didn't get that much chance to talk until uh that shoot.
• 59:55
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, oh wow, that's pretty interesting that you're doing all this, you know, talk about your you know your wedding business, especially um working with your girlfriend.
• 1:00:02
  Vipul Bindra: Does it get uh does it get I don't know, does it get weird at home if your girlfriend is your business partner?
• 1:00:09
  Vipul Bindra: You know?
• 1:00:10
  Logan Walker: Um no, I mean it's pretty great.
• 1:00:13
  Logan Walker: Her and I have a great relationship, so we never really argue or fight or anything.
• 1:00:17
  Logan Walker: I think 95% of the time we're on the same page, otherwise you can resolve it pretty quick.
• 1:00:22
  Logan Walker: Um the days of maybe we'll disagree a little bit about how to shoot something, but we'll find like a middle ground or we'll resolve it.
• 1:00:30
  Logan Walker: I haven't had any issues.
• 1:00:31
  Logan Walker: I know a lot of people are like, I can never work with my partner ever because they need that space apart.
• 1:00:36
  Logan Walker: But yeah, like her and I, it's been pretty good.
• 1:00:39
  Logan Walker: Um yeah, I mean maybe a few things during the day where I ask her to do something or she doesn't agree and we'll we'll give each other like a look.
• 1:00:50
  Logan Walker: Yeah, but then it passes.
• 1:00:51
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, because see, it's like it happens, you know, it's it's work, right?
• 1:00:55
  Vipul Bindra: And and I mean every relationship can have conflicts.
• 1:00:58
  Vipul Bindra: But what's interesting is if you're working with someone, like uh, you know, I'm working with um, you know, Adam or Mari or whatever, and I don't like what they're doing, something, then you know, I'm like, okay, I think, you know, nice.
• 1:01:08
  Vipul Bindra: But then you don't see them.
• 1:01:09
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just saying, like you go home, right?
• 1:01:11
  Vipul Bindra: Uh you're away from whatever negative thing happened, which it doesn't happen.
• 1:01:15
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just I'm just saying that.
• 1:01:17
  Vipul Bindra: But point is, um, you know, like you're done, right?
• 1:01:20
  Vipul Bindra: You you go uh you go home.
• 1:01:22
  Vipul Bindra: But versus when you work with someone, say you go home or home.
• 1:01:26
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, or if most time you may even be working at home, that's probably it.
• 1:01:30
  Vipul Bindra: Then you know it's like there's no escape.
• 1:01:32
  Vipul Bindra: Uh that can be an interesting environment unless you two really have good communication.
• 1:01:37
  Vipul Bindra: So I get it why it wouldn't work for most people.
• 1:01:39
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, to be honest, we had Julie on the podcast, and I was surprised that that went uh how it went, because you know, again, when you have to, you know, work with someone all the time, um, you know, there can be friction.
• 1:01:51
  Vipul Bindra: So but I do the same thing like that.
• 1:01:53
  Vipul Bindra: I work all day, you know, around each other and it just works.
• 1:01:57
  Vipul Bindra: So it works, you know.
• 1:01:58
  Logan Walker: For some reason, too, the wedding industry, uh to my knowledge, is one of the few maybe um uh niches where it's mostly couples working together.
• 1:02:10
  Logan Walker: Most like you either have solos, people who do like photo video and they're a one-person team, or maybe they'll hire a second occasionally.
• 1:02:18
  Logan Walker: Or I I just see like couples all the time where maybe like the guy does video and the girl does photo.
• 1:02:24
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:02:24
  Logan Walker: Or they can both do both, they can do both.
• 1:02:27
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, no, I mean that that makes sense because you know, because like you said, a lot of times you have to travel and behavior from home.
• 1:02:33
  Vipul Bindra: So it'd be nice if your partner is just with you.
• 1:02:35
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but you know, it makes sense uh why it would work that way.
• 1:02:38
  Vipul Bindra: And as long as you guys can come home and not hate each other, you know, that's the main thing, right?
• 1:02:44
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so how's the edit going?
• 1:02:45
  Vipul Bindra: You said now you're doing half of the edit and she's doing other half of the edit.
• 1:02:48
  Vipul Bindra: So how's that going on?
• 1:02:50
  Vipul Bindra: Um how do you split the edit?
• 1:02:52
  Vipul Bindra: Like who takes the reception, who takes the the vow, or is it like a different wedding?
• 1:02:56
  Vipul Bindra: She takes a whole different wedding, you take a whole different wedding.
• 1:02:59
  Logan Walker: When we started, I think we were kind of just shotgun approaching it.
• 1:03:03
  Logan Walker: We're like, oh, you um and how did we structure it?
• 1:03:08
  Logan Walker: I don't even know if we had a structure.
• 1:03:10
  Logan Walker: I think she would just do the whole thing and that would color it and I'd do the audio, and we're done.
• 1:03:14
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:03:15
  Logan Walker: Um, but that was a lot of work on her, and I think it was starting to burn her out because the worst thing about putting a wedding together is the spine.
• 1:03:23
  Logan Walker: It's like finding very good lines and building a story with it, and you're stuck with what you have.
• 1:03:28
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:03:29
  Logan Walker: Now when you're working with like a lower budget or you're not getting a good audio, you're just doing like a montage edit where it's just like a music video.
• 1:03:37
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:03:37
  Logan Walker: But when you're trying to put a story together, which is what people are expecting when they pay you a certain amount, like I want to feel the story, I want to see, I want to hear this person, I want to hear what they said.
• 1:03:48
  Logan Walker: So what we do now is I organize all the footage, uh, put it into resolve, and then I have resolve AI transcripts of the audio from like adventure session, which we'll talk about what that is.
• 1:04:04
  Logan Walker: It's kind of like a engagement session, ceremony, uh, the first look, the speeches, and anything else.
• 1:04:11
  Logan Walker: So I get like a text file, I feed it into Chat GPT, and I say, Look, I'm building a spine for a wedding film.
• 1:04:20
  Logan Walker: It needs to be this long.
• 1:04:21
  Logan Walker: I'm looking for this, this, this, and this.
• 1:04:24
  Logan Walker: And then it spits it out to me.
• 1:04:25
  Logan Walker: And I make sure take it verbatim, don't paraphrase because I can't work with that.
• 1:04:30
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:04:30
  Logan Walker: And so it gives me a script, and then what I'll do is find the clips and then I'll put it in the timeline.
• 1:04:35
  Logan Walker: Now, Marie might reorganize it, cut them some things out, or say, hey, I want a line this line from someone, but that's kind of how we do it now because before ChatGPT, you had to manually sit there and listen to everything, which is exhausting.
• 1:04:49
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:04:50
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:04:50
  Vipul Bindra: That's pretty good.
• 1:04:51
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, no, I know a lot of people who've kind of getting deploying AI tools, and this seems like the best use of it because, like you said, um you I mean you could sit there and listen to all of it, which is fine, but uh but it's I'm pretty sure it's a lot faster to one chat with AI transcripts and just go tell me uh what's good.
• 1:05:12
  Vipul Bindra: And it it has, you know, I guess consumed enough content that it kind of knows what it's looking for.
• 1:05:18
  Vipul Bindra: And then you guys can go in and obviously refine what kind of you're looking for or whatever, right?
• 1:05:23
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:05:24
  Vipul Bindra: Uh and and then and that's where the human element comes in, but I'm sure it reduces hours and hours of time listening and trying to figure out what the story could be, yeah.
• 1:05:32
  Logan Walker: Yeah, I mean, we at the end of the day, we're still approving everything that's getting put in, so it's not losing the human touch, just helping us find those moments faster.
• 1:05:42
  Logan Walker: And uh, you know, I'd like to speed up our turnaround time, which right now we have four months, which is still pretty good, but you know, when you compare it to photography, people are doing three day turnarounds now for weddings because of AI, which is insane.
• 1:05:55
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, we don't even even when we didn't use AI, I have a 14 day turnaround.
• 1:05:59
  Vipul Bindra: That can mean Something, especially when we're doing like 15 videos, 20 videos for a client.
• 1:06:04
  Vipul Bindra: My my delivery has been the same.
• 1:06:07
  Vipul Bindra: Um, the day we shoot after the 14 days after that, as long as we have all the content because sometimes you know it can be split into multiple days.
• 1:06:14
  Vipul Bindra: The final day of shooting, you get the videos within 14 days of that.
• 1:06:18
  Vipul Bindra: It doesn't matter how small or big the package is, and even animated ones, it's 30 days.
• 1:06:22
  Vipul Bindra: So the the day we start animating within 30 days, get the the get the project, which is crazy to think about.
• 1:06:28
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just saying.
• 1:06:28
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so yeah, uh, but so no, four months is pretty standard, I think, in weddings, right?
• 1:06:33
  Vipul Bindra: I've heard that.
• 1:06:34
  Logan Walker: I think like pushing six months.
• 1:06:36
  Logan Walker: Um, yeah, I mean, once it kind of hits the three-month mark, um, I get kind of even if the couple doesn't say anything to us, I'm like, we should probably like get this out and get it going, make sure it gets Yeah, I'm pretty sure you could speed it up, right?
• 1:06:46
  Vipul Bindra: With more and more AI tools coming the way, I'm sure you could bring bring it down, you know, uh, you know, as you catch up, as you speed up using this workflow.
• 1:06:55
  Vipul Bindra: You should be able to.
• 1:06:56
  Vipul Bindra: So how many vettings does do you guys film in a year now that you're being very selective?
• 1:07:02
  Logan Walker: I think we want to limit to maybe around like eight to ten um before we were pushing 20, and it was way too much.
• 1:07:09
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:07:10
  Vipul Bindra: No, makes sense.
• 1:07:11
  Vipul Bindra: That'd be a lot.
• 1:07:11
  Vipul Bindra: And a lot of editing, like you said.
• 1:07:13
  Vipul Bindra: Because each one you're capturing so much content, then you gotta film.
• 1:07:17
  Vipul Bindra: What what is there a certain length that you aim for, or you guys just edit to this is the story, so this is how long it needs to be, or is there a goal like it needs to be this many minutes?
• 1:07:27
  Logan Walker: Uh um, we usually aim for five to seven minutes.
• 1:07:30
  Logan Walker: We never give them a time, of course, we just don't know.
• 1:07:32
  Logan Walker: Yeah, depends on the music choice, depends the content that we get, because uh what we do is before the wedding, uh I don't know how many people do this, we do something called a story or like an adventure session where it's just us two and the couple, and we get together and we film uh like B-roll of them being together, like doing an activity, something outside where they live.
• 1:07:53
  Logan Walker: Uh-huh.
• 1:07:54
  Logan Walker: And we do like an interview session where we pull audio from them.
• 1:07:56
  Logan Walker: Because what happens is during a wedding day, you want to get really crystal clear audio of the couple's either vows or just them giving their thoughts and reflections about the relationship and their day.
• 1:08:10
  Logan Walker: Now, if the wedding is not managed correctly or scheduled, you won't get that.
• 1:08:15
  Logan Walker: And then you get home, you're like, I have no content.
• 1:08:18
  Logan Walker: So this also guarantees guarantees us that we have the footage and the audio we need to piece a story together.
• 1:08:25
  Logan Walker: And it's also getting the couple on camera before the wedding with us, so they're comfortable, so we're not showing up as strangers.
• 1:08:32
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:08:33
  Vipul Bindra: Absolutely.
• 1:08:33
  Vipul Bindra: No, that's actually a very smart idea.
• 1:08:35
  Vipul Bindra: Because you'll have all those lines from those interviews that you can cut in and merge and see, I s I see what you're doing.
• 1:08:40
  Vipul Bindra: Is this normal?
• 1:08:41
  Vipul Bindra: Is that something unique you two came up with?
• 1:08:45
  Logan Walker: Um, I wouldn't say it's unique to us.
• 1:08:47
  Logan Walker: I know a couple other people that do it, but we I don't know if it's standard or not.
• 1:08:52
  Logan Walker: Okay.
• 1:08:52
  Logan Walker: Because we also they don't pay for it.
• 1:08:55
  Logan Walker: It's like complimentary in our package.
• 1:08:57
  Logan Walker: But I mean, if they ask for like we don't want to do it, can we get a discount?
• 1:09:00
  Logan Walker: No.
• 1:09:00
  Logan Walker: No, okay.
• 1:09:01
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:09:01
  Logan Walker: Because it's something extra that you just do.
• 1:09:03
  Logan Walker: Yes.
• 1:09:03
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:09:04
  Vipul Bindra: No, that makes sense.
• 1:09:05
  Vipul Bindra: So what pricing are you now looking at?
• 1:09:07
  Vipul Bindra: Since you're exclusive, you're doing limited.
• 1:09:09
  Vipul Bindra: Is what what's the range of like price to do a wedding now compared to us?
• 1:09:14
  Vipul Bindra: Uh with us?
• 1:09:14
  Vipul Bindra: Or are you saying in general?
• 1:09:15
  Vipul Bindra: No, no, with you guys.
• 1:09:16
  Vipul Bindra: So what are you aiming for now?
• 1:09:17
  Logan Walker: So local to Central Florida with like no travel fees, we start at 4200.
• 1:09:22
  Logan Walker: Okay.
• 1:09:22
  Logan Walker: Um, once you have us fly out or you want extra add-ons, that's of course when it goes up.
• 1:09:28
  Vipul Bindra: Okay.
• 1:09:28
  Vipul Bindra: And um that includes this adventure time.
• 1:09:33
  Vipul Bindra: Uh yeah, and then the the obviously the the actual shoot and then the edit, right?
• 1:09:38
  Vipul Bindra: That's basically the deliverable.
• 1:09:39
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:09:40
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, is there anything else they get besides that five to seven minute cut?
• 1:09:43
  Logan Walker: So they can get a um like we call it a documentary edit, which is just everything that we shot in chronological order.
• 1:09:50
  Logan Walker: And for that edit, we'll outsource because it's not as creative, right?
• 1:09:54
  Logan Walker: Yeah, it's not as creative and it just takes too long.
• 1:09:57
  Logan Walker: So we'll just have someone else do it.
• 1:09:59
  Logan Walker: Um they can also get like a whole clip of their um the speeches and like the ceremony, and a good amount of people get it, but I don't know how many people want to sit there and watch their whole ceremony again, unless it's maybe like one of their um relatives is the officiant.
• 1:10:16
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:10:17
  Vipul Bindra: So that's basically um extras, right?
• 1:10:20
  Vipul Bindra: Then you can now start billing more for that, I'm guessing.
• 1:10:23
  Vipul Bindra: Yep.
• 1:10:23
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so what's the highest you think you could go with all the add-ons?
• 1:10:27
  Vipul Bindra: If somebody's like, I want everything.
• 1:10:29
  Vipul Bindra: Uh maybe pushing six right now.
• 1:10:33
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  Logan Walker: That's that's pretty good.
• 1:10:35
  Vipul Bindra: I think you guys are pricing it really well then.
• 1:10:37
  Vipul Bindra: Then because I've heard people charge seven, ten, fifteen K for a local wedding.
• 1:10:42
  Vipul Bindra: So I think you're you're giving them really high quality product, um, and you're you're charging pretty reasonable.
• 1:10:48
  Vipul Bindra: Again, it's not cheap, obviously, but it's not like highly expensive either for a high quality product.
• 1:10:54
  Vipul Bindra: Are you uh guys?
• 1:10:55
  Vipul Bindra: Um uh was gonna say my thought.
• 1:11:01
  Vipul Bindra: But anyway, uh what I was gonna say was, yeah, um, have you guys done any Indian weddings?
• 1:11:06
  Logan Walker: We've done one.
• 1:11:07
  Vipul Bindra: One, how was that?
• 1:11:09
  Logan Walker: We had a lot of fun.
• 1:11:10
  Logan Walker: Um, so this was actually a subcontracted wedding, which is why we took it because I was like, I don't know what the deliverables would be for this.
• 1:11:17
  Logan Walker: I don't it was my first one, so I'm like, I don't know what's going on, I don't know who's talking, who they are.
• 1:11:22
  Logan Walker: So yeah, we uh we sh we shot for I think 17 hours total across two days.
• 1:11:29
  Vipul Bindra: Wow, it was a lot it's and I was and hey, just two days that's already short for an Indian wedding, yeah.
• 1:11:34
  Logan Walker: Yeah, it wasn't here in Orlando at the um Orlando World Center, it's right next to Disney Springs.
• 1:11:39
  Logan Walker: Um and the couple we're still friends with.
• 1:11:42
  Logan Walker: We hang out with them, so it was great.
• 1:11:44
  Logan Walker: But yeah, we were using a Pocket 4K package all day, so we were getting tired.
• 1:11:48
  Logan Walker: But I did use an easy rig for that wedding, which helped a lot because I was I was burning out.
• 1:11:52
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's a long, long time, yeah.
• 1:11:54
  Vipul Bindra: Was that your first Indian wedding?
• 1:11:56
  Vipul Bindra: Yep, yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:11:58
  Vipul Bindra: And like I said, two days is already short, so they probably cut a lot of it because uh the to fit in two days.
• 1:12:03
  Vipul Bindra: That's that's crazy.
• 1:12:04
  Vipul Bindra: What equipment are you guys out now?
• 1:12:06
  Vipul Bindra: Are you still using Pocket 4Ks or have you moved on to something different?
• 1:12:09
  Logan Walker: So we still use Pocket 4Ks as our A and B.
• 1:12:12
  Logan Walker: Um for C and D we use a Lumix S5 and S52X, or sorry, S52 and S52X.
• 1:12:18
  Logan Walker: Um, we'd love to move up to like Pixas 6K or 12k when it when it makes sense for us.
• 1:12:24
  Logan Walker: Um because we just we want to go full frame and we still love using black magic, so we're gonna stick with those.
• 1:12:29
  Vipul Bindra: Isn't the Lumix S5s?
• 1:12:31
  Vipul Bindra: And again, I'm like I said, I'm not that following each of their new cameras.
• 1:12:34
  Vipul Bindra: Isn't that a better, technically a better image than the uh 4K, Pocket 4K, or no?
• 1:12:40
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying, is your C and D camera giving you better image than your AMD camera, or is that not true?
• 1:12:46
  Vipul Bindra: It could be, but I don't want to admit because dude, Lumix cameras, even their cheat ones, are like really pushing the limit as far as quality goes, I'm saying so.
• 1:12:57
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's um but that's I think you're right.
• 1:13:00
  Logan Walker: I just don't want to admit that you're right because I mean you own them, they are your cameras, yeah.
• 1:13:03
  Logan Walker: Um the thing is though, I just I love B-RAW so much.
• 1:13:08
  Logan Walker: And something about the So you guys are actually filming in RAW.
• 1:13:11
  Logan Walker: Yeah, we shoot B-RAW.
• 1:13:12
  Logan Walker: Wow, um, but I mean we're shooting 12 to 1, so the file sizes aren't ridiculous.
• 1:13:16
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's very highly compressed B RAW, yeah.
• 1:13:19
  Logan Walker: Yeah, I would I mean you could say objectively the S5 footage is technically superior to the Pocket 4K, but I just love using the Pocket 4K, even though it's not the most like practical camera for weddings.
• 1:13:31
  Logan Walker: It's actually not at all.
• 1:13:32
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, which is why I I find it interesting that you say when it makes sense you switch to Pix 6K or 12k or whatever.
• 1:13:39
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, that does and I get I don't shoot weddings, but that doesn't seem practical for weddings.
• 1:13:44
  Vipul Bindra: You think it would be?
• 1:13:46
  Vipul Bindra: You think that you guys could deploy it correctly?
• 1:13:49
  Logan Walker: Um, well, I rented a Pixas 6K for an adventure session that we had in California, and I loved using it.
• 1:13:55
  Logan Walker: I loved it so much because as much as I didn't want to admit it, the the form factor for the 4K and the 6k, and those the pocket cameras kind of suck, and the Pixas is kind of what I was waiting for.
• 1:14:06
  Logan Walker: Um But the thing is when we started shooting weddings five years ago, we only were using the pockets, so we're used to manually focus everything, no IBIS.
• 1:14:17
  Logan Walker: So we're used to it when we like it.
• 1:14:19
  Logan Walker: Now, for the Lumix, we'll use it because if we're running and gunning or we like the higher ISO for reception, yeah, we'll take advantage of it.
• 1:14:27
  Logan Walker: But it's not like make or break if we don't have ibis or autofocus.
• 1:14:32
  Logan Walker: We that's just how we learned.
• 1:14:34
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you know what's crazy, and again again, maybe you stick to it, but to me, trust me, it was like a big difference.
• 1:14:40
  Vipul Bindra: So essentially, like I said, I started with Lumix 2.
• 1:14:42
  Vipul Bindra: Well, I started with Canon, and well, point is anyway, this company started, let's say, with Lumix, and uh, you know, same thing.
• 1:14:49
  Vipul Bindra: I was just used to everything being manual focused, manual lenses, manual everything.
• 1:14:54
  Vipul Bindra: And then when we switched to C200s, I literally had to be like, because you know, I was like one of those people, I'm like, what's the big deal?
• 1:15:00
  Vipul Bindra: I can just auto or like sorry, manual focus.
• 1:15:02
  Vipul Bindra: I I'm doing this anyway, or you know, like what's the big deal?
• 1:15:06
  Vipul Bindra: But anyway, switching to an good autofocus that actually works was a game changer because I was genuinely like, oh, now I can focus on so many other things.
• 1:15:15
  Vipul Bindra: That's true.
• 1:15:16
  Vipul Bindra: It's not perfect for every situation, but in a lot of corporate and again, maybe wedding where you're just focusing on people, being able to just tap like this is my focus point, and then being able to focus on everything else around you, uh, maybe your movement or whatever, right?
• 1:15:31
  Vipul Bindra: Uh is this a uh it's a freeing thing.
• 1:15:34
  Vipul Bindra: Now, that does not mean we still don't like put on our Cine lenses on uh on a cinematic day and manually focus or whatever, right?
• 1:15:41
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just saying for most corporate stuff, having autofocus is actually a beneficial thing.
• 1:15:47
  Vipul Bindra: Do you think uh you are not using it just because you haven't tried an autofocus that works?
• 1:15:52
  Vipul Bindra: Like it have you like think of this way how about an FX3 at a wedding?
• 1:15:57
  Vipul Bindra: You think uh that wouldn't work for you?
• 1:15:59
  Vipul Bindra: Because I think it's a better image than the Pocket 4K, it's gonna autofocus.
• 1:16:04
  Vipul Bindra: You could probably put the uh uh you know lenses on it, like you can have really good reach, but then it's still being a compact package.
• 1:16:11
  Vipul Bindra: No?
• 1:16:13
  Vipul Bindra: Yes?
• 1:16:14
  Logan Walker: I mean, when we did use the FX3, like it was great to work with.
• 1:16:17
  Logan Walker: Yeah, and that was actually the first time I use an FX3, but now I'm I'm used to it now because that's what I use for the social media content.
• 1:16:23
  Logan Walker: Objectively, yeah, it's a better camera, but I think just inside me for legacy, I'm just a little bit of a black magic fanboy.
• 1:16:30
  Vipul Bindra: I get it, I get it.
• 1:16:30
  Vipul Bindra: No, I I know people, like I said, Quentin, who's on the podcast, he loves black magic.
• 1:16:35
  Vipul Bindra: Like you go to his studio and it's just black magic everywhere, pocket cameras everywhere.
• 1:16:40
  Vipul Bindra: So I I totally get it.
• 1:16:41
  Vipul Bindra: And if you like something, you like something and your clients don't ask for something specific anyway.
• 1:16:46
  Vipul Bindra: So you can continue to use, I mean, if you wanted to, you could continue using Pocket 4Ks forever forever.
• 1:16:51
  Vipul Bindra: I doubt the quality is gonna like not like clients will always be happy with that quality.
• 1:16:57
  Vipul Bindra: Cameras are all so good now that you only upgrade because you want to.
• 1:17:02
  Vipul Bindra: Like, for example, like, yes, the 12k looks great, but I'm like, you're only upgrading to that because you want to, not because you need to, or clients asking for it.
• 1:17:11
  Vipul Bindra: Because I think the only use case I saw of that camera is I was genuinely thinking, I was like, where do you use the RCS any 12k or you know, or or the pocket, uh not pocket, uh the RC the the Pixis 12K.
• 1:17:23
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, well, Apple Vision Pro, you know, would be one where I can think of it where you do need like very high resolution per eye.
• 1:17:31
  Vipul Bindra: But outside that, I'm like, you don't actually need 12k.
• 1:17:34
  Vipul Bindra: So yeah, and plus they don't even have global shutter, so it's not even like you they're good for like virtual production.
• 1:17:41
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, you can still deploy it.
• 1:17:42
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just saying they're not the ideal cameras.
• 1:17:44
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so I I was like personally, I was like, I I don't see, and then I was like, oh, maybe Apple Vision Pro, you know, filmmaking or whatever.
• 1:17:51
  Vipul Bindra: Sure, but I'm like, outside of that, everyone, you're just getting that because you want to get it, and it's a great image, but not because it's necessary, right?
• 1:17:59
  Vipul Bindra: Right?
• 1:18:00
  Vipul Bindra: So uh so I think cameras are just so good that you don't have to upgrade um unless you really want to.
• 1:18:06
  Logan Walker: Yeah, I mean, if I bought a Pixis 12K, it wouldn't be to shoot 12k or shoot 4K.
• 1:18:12
  Logan Walker: I would shoot 4K on cropped open gate.
• 1:18:14
  Logan Walker: Yeah, so I have options, and then at that point, the rolling shutter is pretty fast.
• 1:18:18
  Logan Walker: It's not global shutter fast, obviously, but I would just shoot 4K.
• 1:18:22
  Logan Walker: That's what I want.
• 1:18:23
  Logan Walker: I want that camera because I can shoot multiple resolutions without any crop or like whatsoever.
• 1:18:28
  Logan Walker: That was my appeal with that camera.
• 1:18:29
  Vipul Bindra: Do you guys put cameras on gimbals for weddings?
• 1:18:31
  Logan Walker: Never.
• 1:18:32
  Logan Walker: Never.
• 1:18:32
  Logan Walker: So it's all handheld.
• 1:18:33
  Logan Walker: We never use a gimbal.
• 1:18:34
  Logan Walker: We'll use a monopod and sticks, but um, yeah, we've never owned a gimbal or never used a gimbal.
• 1:18:39
  Vipul Bindra: So you don't do any of those tracking shots or whatever, or you do do them, they're just handheld.
• 1:18:43
  Logan Walker: Yep.
• 1:18:43
  Logan Walker: We'll do it handheld, or maybe we'll do like a little gyrone post.
• 1:18:47
  Logan Walker: But our our look when we started, and what we kind of start now is um no no gimbal except for maybe like a drone.
• 1:18:55
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:18:55
  Logan Walker: Everything handheld.
• 1:18:56
  Logan Walker: Because our look was kind of more, it still is kind of more vintage slow.
• 1:19:00
  Logan Walker: It's not fast paced.
• 1:19:02
  Logan Walker: Because what I see is a lot of people focus on the reception where we focus more on like the couple and their story.
• 1:19:08
  Logan Walker: We want it to look very slow and kind of timeless and not kind of like a hype party.
• 1:19:12
  Logan Walker: Yeah, that's just our style.
• 1:19:14
  Vipul Bindra: No, that's pretty good style to have because it's more uh, like you said, classic.
• 1:19:17
  Vipul Bindra: So you the video will last long too.
• 1:19:19
  Vipul Bindra: So I have to have this explain this to my clients a lot on the corporate side.
• 1:19:23
  Vipul Bindra: They want the latest thing.
• 1:19:24
  Vipul Bindra: They're I saw this transition on TikTok or whatever.
• 1:19:27
  Vipul Bindra: Can we do it?
• 1:19:27
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, yes, we can, but that limits your video to being cool for the next week or two and then it's dated.
• 1:19:33
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, right.
• 1:19:34
  Vipul Bindra: Versus I always prefer to not throw transitions in my videos because the thing is the video then will be more timeless because we're not like dating it to what's trending now or whenever.
• 1:19:44
  Vipul Bindra: And and trends will always come and go, and it's fine if you're doing again reels, then it's like, sure, now it's trending, it'll go and it'll be gone.
• 1:19:52
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but then I'm like, but you don't want to do that for uh you know expensive piece of content that's going on your website or whatever.
• 1:19:59
  Vipul Bindra: You want it to at least last a few years for it to be worth the money you're spending on it.
• 1:20:03
  Vipul Bindra: So you have to talk them down out of using some weird transitions or whatever, yeah.
• 1:20:07
  Logan Walker: You don't want to make a wedding film look like a product of its time.
• 1:20:10
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:20:10
  Vipul Bindra: It should be timeless.
• 1:20:11
  Vipul Bindra: Because they will watch it, and you know, as assuming they stay together, then you know their kids will watch it, uh, and then you know, uh you know, have you heard of those stories?
• 1:20:19
  Vipul Bindra: I've heard where somebody, you know, charged a deposit and shot the wedding, and then by the time they were ready to deliver, the couple wasn't together, and then you're you don't even get your other 50% on you to go, and they're like, we don't want this.
• 1:20:31
  Vipul Bindra: Have you heard of those stories?
• 1:20:32
  Logan Walker: Yes, luckily that hasn't happened to us.
• 1:20:34
  Logan Walker: Our couple stay together.
• 1:20:36
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, that would be crazy.
• 1:20:38
  Vipul Bindra: Like you went in, you enjoyed this wedding, and you're here, like, here, we're ready to deliver your your uh video, and they go, uh we're not together anymore.
• 1:20:45
  Vipul Bindra: We don't want that.
• 1:20:46
  Vipul Bindra: And that'd be I don't know.
• 1:20:47
  Vipul Bindra: You put it, yeah.
• 1:20:48
  Vipul Bindra: So because you guys charge 50% up front, right?
• 1:20:51
  Vipul Bindra: And then the other 50, or do you charge all of it up front?
• 1:20:53
  Logan Walker: They have to pay everything before we show up.
• 1:20:54
  Logan Walker: That's so smart because yeah, you don't want because you don't know.
• 1:20:56
  Logan Walker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:57
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:20:57
  Vipul Bindra: No, that is very smart.
• 1:20:59
  Logan Walker: Uh we used to make it so you'd pay 50% up front, and then the day of you pay 50%, which that made sense in our minds, but then we're like, the bride isn't thinking about paying vendors the day of the wedding.
• 1:21:10
  Logan Walker: Yeah, they're stressed.
• 1:21:11
  Logan Walker: So we say like a week before the wedding to give us 100%.
• 1:21:15
  Vipul Bindra: No, that and that makes sense because if this you're in a situation like this, then you're not stuck.
• 1:21:20
  Vipul Bindra: But I've heard of nightmare situations like that, or uh again, those more photography, but situations that you heard that trend online are like uh they they refuse to feed the photographer and then he deleted all the photos.
• 1:21:32
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I've seen that.
• 1:21:33
  Vipul Bindra: Both unprofessional on both sides, but I'm like, why why wouldn't you like you don't have to be that cheap, they don't have meal for your vendors?
• 1:21:40
  Vipul Bindra: That's crazy.
• 1:21:41
  Vipul Bindra: Do you put that in your contract or something?
• 1:21:44
  Vipul Bindra: Like that you need to be have a meal provided or whatever, or no?
• 1:21:47
  Logan Walker: We put in our contract that we need to eat the same thing all the other guests are just to avoid getting like a cold turkey sandwich.
• 1:21:53
  Logan Walker: And that doesn't always happen, but it's not it's not really worth us causing a scene, also because sometimes the couples don't know what we're eating.
• 1:22:03
  Logan Walker: Yeah, they assume that we're getting the same thing as everyone else, and the catering company is like, here's your cold, yeah, here's your apple and your cookie.
• 1:22:09
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's kind of so annoying.
• 1:22:11
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm again sampling not particular about it.
• 1:22:13
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, you know, and I felt my thing is we're charging so much, like meal is like last of my concern.
• 1:22:19
  Vipul Bindra: But it is annoying because then but if you have different tiers of clients, and then you know, there's clients like, let's go eat out steakhouse, you know, eat the most expensive steak or whatever, and then you have um clients that are like, Oh, you like you said, here's here's your tur, here's your sub, you know, or here's your uh turkey sandwich or whatever, and you're like, I mean it's fine, I'll eat that, but you know, like it doesn't match up anyway.
• 1:22:41
  Vipul Bindra: It's like uh or or worst case, in my mind, at least you know, you have catering because a lot of our clients don't understand how video world works.
• 1:22:50
  Vipul Bindra: You know, we're technically they're supposed to feed us, but I get it.
• 1:22:53
  Vipul Bindra: You know, we're a vendor or whatever, not a vendor, but like a partner or whatever.
• 1:22:57
  Vipul Bindra: Somebody they hired, they don't know they're supposed to feed us.
• 1:22:59
  Vipul Bindra: So lots of times they don't even know.
• 1:23:00
  Vipul Bindra: They're like, okay, let's break for lunch, see you guys in an hour.
• 1:23:03
  Vipul Bindra: And then usually what I do, I'm like, okay, guys, like whoever I'm with, let's go eat lunch somewhere.
• 1:23:08
  Vipul Bindra: Uh to me, like you said, I to me, last thing I want to do is for a hundred dollar lunch or whatever, go to my client and go, hey, you know, you're supposed to feed me this because I'm probably charged them five grand, ten grand, twenty grand.
• 1:23:19
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, it wouldn't, it doesn't make sense to to argue or whatever.
• 1:23:23
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and and a lot a lot of times it's not ill, at least in the corporate side, just they don't they don't know that's the expectation.
• 1:23:29
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm saying it's a wide variety where a lot of times it's like, oh yeah, we're going to the steakhouse for lunch, let's go, everyone go, and it's fine.
• 1:23:35
  Vipul Bindra: Again, we don't expect the fanciest stuff from our clients, but I'm just saying clients are like that, where do they know when they're like, oh yeah, money's no object.
• 1:23:42
  Vipul Bindra: And then the other ways they're like, they don't even know.
• 1:23:44
  Vipul Bindra: They're like, okay, we'll see you in an hour.
• 1:23:46
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you know, like it is what it is, you know.
• 1:23:48
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:23:49
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so I get it, but on weddings where there is food for sure.
• 1:23:52
  Vipul Bindra: And yeah, I I wouldn't like it.
• 1:23:54
  Vipul Bindra: Now, I mean, I don't mind, like I said, food is not that important to me in a job, at least.
• 1:23:58
  Vipul Bindra: But you're right, it's not like you can just go some random place for the lunch or whatever, because you guys are filming the wedding.
• 1:24:05
  Vipul Bindra: You, you know, you need to be there to go grab whatever food from somewhere, yeah, or Uber eating to a wedding that would look so weird, but then at the same time, uh, you know, you don't want to be fed something that I don't know, that just whatever.
• 1:24:19
  Vipul Bindra: Like, it doesn't look good.
• 1:24:20
  Logan Walker: Yeah, or whatever.
• 1:24:20
  Logan Walker: We've had some weddings where the couple will be like, Oh, do you want steak or do you want lobster scallops?
• 1:24:25
  Logan Walker: Oh, steak.
• 1:24:27
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:24:27
  Logan Walker: And then uh dinner time comes, like, oh my god, I'm so excited for steak that would hit.
• 1:24:32
  Logan Walker: And then we go to the back and I'm like, here's your turkey sandwich.
• 1:24:35
  Logan Walker: Yeah, have you ever said to the catering company, I thought that we had picked steak, or you haven't sometimes we do, and then they're like, Oh, I didn't, I didn't know anything about that.
• 1:24:45
  Logan Walker: And we're like, we communicated to the couple that we get this, and like, no, and then other times we had an amazing prime rib, and I made a joke to the kitchen, like, oh, I just love another one, and like, okay, and they bring me another prime rib.
• 1:24:57
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, what?
• 1:24:58
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so you see, so it's and you can't predict, and I don't like you said, I don't think, and I it could be the couple, but most times it's probably the catering company, right?
• 1:25:06
  Vipul Bindra: It's not the couple.
• 1:25:07
  Vipul Bindra: The last thing they're trying to do, especially if they're paying you four or five grand, you know, for a wedding, last thing they want to do is probably save on a I don't know, a hundred dollar meal over there.
• 1:25:16
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 1:25:16
  Logan Walker: Yeah, and I never want to go to the couple while they're trying to enjoy their meal and relax and be like, we're not getting the food that you promised, and it's fine.
• 1:25:23
  Logan Walker: Same thing, suck it up.
• 1:25:24
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, same thing.
• 1:25:25
  Vipul Bindra: Like the other day when we were at this really nice shoot that I was mentioning on a track.
• 1:25:31
  Vipul Bindra: Like, I was like, this client probably doesn't know they're supposed to feed us.
• 1:25:33
  Vipul Bindra: They were like, Okay, we're gonna meet here.
• 1:25:34
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, you know, all right, we have to dump footage anyway.
• 1:25:37
  Vipul Bindra: Let's go.
• 1:25:38
  Vipul Bindra: I saw this restaurant.
• 1:25:39
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, and then we went and I paid for the lunch.
• 1:25:41
  Vipul Bindra: And I was like, that's fine.
• 1:25:42
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, it's not that big of a deal.
• 1:25:43
  Vipul Bindra: They already paid me enough money, you know.
• 1:25:45
  Vipul Bindra: But it's kind of like that, where I'm like, I am not even sure.
• 1:25:48
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, I brought you guys here, but I have no idea what's about to happen for lunch.
• 1:25:51
  Vipul Bindra: Like, we'll f we'll we'll see how it goes.
• 1:25:53
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and then uh then I was like, okay, this is not gonna happen.
• 1:25:56
  Vipul Bindra: There's no lunch here, so that means okay, I'm buying everyone lunch.
• 1:25:59
  Vipul Bindra: Let's go.
• 1:25:59
  Vipul Bindra: We're gonna program it.
• 1:26:00
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:01
  Vipul Bindra: Uh where did we go?
• 1:26:02
  Vipul Bindra: It was Huey Magoose.
• 1:26:03
  Vipul Bindra: I'd never had that chicken, right?
• 1:26:05
  Mario Rangel: Yeah, Huey Magoose.
• 1:26:07
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, well, uh, did you like it?
• 1:26:08
  Vipul Bindra: I like it.
• 1:26:09
  Vipul Bindra: How about you?
• 1:26:09
  Vipul Bindra: Do you like it?
• 1:26:10
  Vipul Bindra: It's pretty good, yeah.
• 1:26:11
  Vipul Bindra: But it was my first time, so uh trying that place.
• 1:26:14
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, first time for me, also.
• 1:26:15
  Vipul Bindra: And it was pretty good, like I said, chicken.
• 1:26:17
  Vipul Bindra: Chicken tenders, right?
• 1:26:18
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, chicken tenders.
• 1:26:19
  Vipul Bindra: And uh uh but yeah, so there was something that these type of things happen, and then I'm like, at the end day, look, uh at least on my side, I'm like, I'm charging them a premium.
• 1:26:28
  Vipul Bindra: Last thing I want to do is worry about some meal or whatever.
• 1:26:31
  Vipul Bindra: Uh yeah, so it is what it is.
• 1:26:34
  Logan Walker: Yeah, I mean, those those are just situations where just to maintain the great relationship I have with the client, I'm just not gonna bring it up and suck it up.
• 1:26:41
  Logan Walker: It's not a big deal.
• 1:26:42
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you're just gonna eat the cold turkey sandwich.
• 1:26:44
  Logan Walker: Yes.
• 1:26:44
  Logan Walker: Yeah like a champ.
• 1:26:45
  Logan Walker: Or just slam the diet coke, yeah.
• 1:26:49
  Vipul Bindra: Continue work.
• 1:26:50
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, that's so funny.
• 1:26:52
  Vipul Bindra: Uh uh, but no, I mean, yeah, that's life.
• 1:26:54
  Vipul Bindra: That's life as uh as a vendor.
• 1:26:56
  Vipul Bindra: I've had Disney's so annoying.
• 1:26:58
  Vipul Bindra: Uh Disney's a great company, but they're so annoying as far as meals go.
• 1:27:02
  Vipul Bindra: I've had the biggest issues locally, at least with Disney.
• 1:27:04
  Vipul Bindra: So we'll do events, you know, either not directly for Disney, but either they're sponsoring it or they've just been hired to the event.
• 1:27:12
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm saying every time it's like uh A, they want to do, they don't want to do vendor meals, and if they do, then they insist like you just eat right there.
• 1:27:19
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, a lot of times I'm like, well, we're doing an event, it'd be really nice if you can eat after, or you could just put in a box or whatever.
• 1:27:26
  Vipul Bindra: Like we it we don't have to because I get the event is over now.
• 1:27:29
  Vipul Bindra: Just by you know, we're filming the event, so we cannot just take a break in the middle of it.
• 1:27:33
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm like a lot of times we can eat um after the uh event is over, and then they don't want you to stay.
• 1:27:38
  Vipul Bindra: So I've given them multiple options.
• 1:27:39
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, okay, just give us uh the meal in a box or let us eat after.
• 1:27:45
  Vipul Bindra: Like those are the only options, and they're like, nope, you they insist like you eat now, and then a lot of times, same thing.
• 1:27:50
  Vipul Bindra: Like they're like, No, no, you're not getting the main meal, then it'll give you something different.
• 1:27:54
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, what are you doing?
• 1:27:55
  Vipul Bindra: You're Disney World, like you know, you can afford it, but they I've had a lot of issues where a lot.
• 1:27:59
  Vipul Bindra: Times we've just left our meals, so they're like, Yeah, no, we are not allowed to put in a box or whatever.
• 1:28:04
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm sure they have some rules, and I'm like, This makes no sense.
• 1:28:07
  Vipul Bindra: If you bring me a box and the meal, I will put it in the box, and then they won't.
• 1:28:11
  Vipul Bindra: So, so I tell people like anytime I'm shooting in Disney, I'm like, look, this could go either way.
• 1:28:16
  Vipul Bindra: Like, they they may be really nice to you or they may not feed you at all.
• 1:28:19
  Vipul Bindra: Because I can't have you stop.
• 1:28:21
  Vipul Bindra: And I know I'm not saying they've refused food, they they'll always offer food.
• 1:28:25
  Vipul Bindra: It's just they'll offer food when everyone else is eating.
• 1:28:28
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, that's when we're supposed to be filming.
• 1:28:30
  Vipul Bindra: So I tell people like there's a high chance you are not getting food.
• 1:28:34
  Vipul Bindra: I will buy you a meal after because having worked with Disney enough, uh or at Disney location, I should say.
• 1:28:40
  Vipul Bindra: Um, that they're they're very particular about that, like not putting their meal in a box.
• 1:28:44
  Logan Walker: Where where Disney are you shooting?
• 1:28:46
  Vipul Bindra: I'm talking resorts, any of their resorts, contemporary, contemporary or uh Coronado Springs, or what else?
• 1:28:52
  Vipul Bindra: Yacht and Beach Club, any any any of their resorts.
• 1:28:54
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying I filmed that.
• 1:28:56
  Vipul Bindra: I have found Boardwalk.
• 1:28:58
  Vipul Bindra: That's a common threat, at least for me.
• 1:29:00
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying when I'm filming as a vendor, uh asking them to put a meal in a box, they usually usually refuse, especially the main meal.
• 1:29:08
  Vipul Bindra: Now they may have a separate vendor meal that's different, but I'm saying I usually they give you the same meal.
• 1:29:14
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying the guests are eating that meal they do not want to put in a box for some reason.
• 1:29:17
  Vipul Bindra: Have you filmed at Disney?
• 1:29:19
  Vipul Bindra: I've done a micro wedding at the Swan and Dolphin.
• 1:29:24
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, but that's not Disney, so it's not owned.
• 1:29:27
  Vipul Bindra: Uh it's so weird.
• 1:29:29
  Vipul Bindra: Swan and Dolphin is on Disney property, but it's not owned by Disney.
• 1:29:33
  Vipul Bindra: That's why.
• 1:29:34
  Vipul Bindra: So the experience there would not relate to Disney.
• 1:29:35
  Logan Walker: So it's not Disney's Swan and Dolphin?
• 1:29:37
  Vipul Bindra: It is Disney.
• 1:29:38
  Vipul Bindra: Oh my gosh.
• 1:29:38
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, wait a minute.
• 1:29:40
  Vipul Bindra: Wait a minute.
• 1:29:40
  Vipul Bindra: It is not owned by Disney, no, and operated by a different company.
• 1:29:43
  Vipul Bindra: So it's it's technically, yes.
• 1:29:46
  Vipul Bindra: It's on Disney property.
• 1:29:48
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, it's not.
• 1:29:49
  Logan Walker: Is that the only hotel on Disney property that's not Disney property?
• 1:29:53
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:29:54
  Vipul Bindra: Well, technically, the the role on um by Disney Springs, I believe, is technically Disney property, too.
• 1:29:59
  Vipul Bindra: There's a lot of hotels.
• 1:30:00
  Vipul Bindra: Okay.
• 1:30:00
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, there's there's a decent amount of hotels, but I'm saying no, Disney resorts uh um are owned that are owned and operated by Disney are different because they're they're actually Disney.
• 1:30:10
  Vipul Bindra: Okay.
• 1:30:10
  Vipul Bindra: I know, I know it's weird, but yeah, no, Swan and Dolphin is I filmed there.
• 1:30:14
  Vipul Bindra: That's what I'm telling you.
• 1:30:15
  Vipul Bindra: It's not Disney.
• 1:30:15
  Vipul Bindra: It's very different.
• 1:30:16
  Vipul Bindra: Even though they're on Disney property, they are you know approved by Disney and all that, they're not actually Disney.
• 1:30:24
  Logan Walker: I think I shot there because the couple wanted a Disney wedding but didn't want to pay the prices, which totally understand.
• 1:30:30
  Vipul Bindra: Because I just I mean the Swan and Dolphin's expensive.
• 1:30:33
  Logan Walker: Yeah, I mean, it's still expensive, but it's not like put me in a theme park expensive.
• 1:30:37
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:30:37
  Logan Walker: Or one of their main resorts.
• 1:30:39
  Logan Walker: But I've only heard negative things about shooting with Disney.
• 1:30:42
  Logan Walker: I've heard they just treat it.
• 1:30:43
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, they're very yeah, they have way too many rules, which again, again, it is Disney, but yeah, their rules are a little complicated and not easy.
• 1:30:50
  Vipul Bindra: But I mean, and talk about other hotels.
• 1:30:52
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, they're four seasons again on Disney property, not owned by Disney.
• 1:30:55
  Vipul Bindra: So there's a lot of hotels and things that are on Disney, but uh the Swan and Dolphins is the most confusing one because they make it look like it's integrated, like it's the same thing, but it's not.
• 1:31:04
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but yeah, though they have they have a lot of rules and they're very particular about what they want you to do and where do they want you to be, how you want the film.
• 1:31:12
  Vipul Bindra: A lot of times our clients are like they charge them money too, I think, to bring video crews.
• 1:31:17
  Vipul Bindra: So we we'll just go in with like tiny FX3s, small lenses, so it looks like we're just part of the group, right?
• 1:31:24
  Vipul Bindra: And then shoot there or whatever.
• 1:31:25
  Vipul Bindra: You know, you gotta do what you gotta do, right?
• 1:31:27
  Vipul Bindra: But that's kind of like LA.
• 1:31:28
  Vipul Bindra: I go most cities, I'll just pull out the camera.
• 1:31:31
  Vipul Bindra: Like, I don't care.
• 1:31:31
  Vipul Bindra: Like, here's an FX6.
• 1:31:33
  Vipul Bindra: Most people are just excited to see what's happening or whatever, right?
• 1:31:36
  Vipul Bindra: They don't care.
• 1:31:37
  Vipul Bindra: LA's one place you pull out any camera, there's like person just waiting.
• 1:31:40
  Vipul Bindra: I feel like they're just parked there ready to stop you from filming.
• 1:31:43
  Vipul Bindra: They're like, Permit, where's your permit?
• 1:31:45
  Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
• 1:31:46
  Vipul Bindra: I can imagine.
• 1:31:47
  Vipul Bindra: It's funny that once they asked me something we did in Orlando where they orchested me, where they asked me to like get a permit, so I had to do the whole permit process.
• 1:31:55
  Vipul Bindra: And again, do your permits, do it correctly, whatever.
• 1:31:58
  Vipul Bindra: But you know, we're doing corporate video inside a company's video building.
• 1:32:01
  Vipul Bindra: Like, we don't usually need permits for what we do.
• 1:32:04
  Vipul Bindra: But anyway, they made me fill out a full permit again.
• 1:32:06
  Vipul Bindra: Whole shoe they went.
• 1:32:07
  Vipul Bindra: Nobody ever asked, checked if you had a permit or wanted a permit, but we had to go through the whole permit.
• 1:32:12
  Logan Walker: Making sure you have your ducks in a row, yeah, exactly.
• 1:32:14
  Vipul Bindra: So that that can happen, but I'm like, it also depends on where you are.
• 1:32:17
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, LA, I feel like you pull out a camera and the partisans is waiting to ask you for your permit, but it doesn't happen most of their locations.
• 1:32:24
  Vipul Bindra: Most people are chill.
• 1:32:25
  Vipul Bindra: They're like, I've even had rather the opposite where the clients are like, I'm not sure if we can film here.
• 1:32:30
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, don't worry about it.
• 1:32:31
  Vipul Bindra: I pull a big camera out.
• 1:32:33
  Vipul Bindra: Most people just think you're uh you assume that you're supposed to be there, which we are, we're supposed to film this, but you don't need to get like 10 permissions.
• 1:32:40
  Vipul Bindra: Usually just pull out camera, start shooting, look like you, you know, belong it's just the confidence.
• 1:32:45
  Logan Walker: Yeah, trying to look shady and get the shots versus like this is my crew, we're here.
• 1:32:49
  Logan Walker: People are okay, they must be here, they're supposed to be here.
• 1:32:52
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, we did something at the Orlando Conference Center or whatever for like a client from Australia, and she was very nervous about we set up literally in the middle of the walkway, too.
• 1:33:00
  Vipul Bindra: We were like, This is the shot, this is the shot we want.
• 1:33:03
  Vipul Bindra: And she was like, What they like to shut us off or whatever.
• 1:33:06
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, No, we're we're meant to be here, and technically you're supposed to be here.
• 1:33:09
  Vipul Bindra: So we we even marked, we taped the the whole area where we wanted our stands and everything.
• 1:33:14
  Vipul Bindra: So we'd come back four days in a row, our marks would be there, you know, and we just set up, and the securities are even like saying hi or whatever.
• 1:33:21
  Vipul Bindra: You know, like if you act like you belong and you are actually supposed to be there, not doing something wrong.
• 1:33:26
  Vipul Bindra: Most people don't bother filming.
• 1:33:28
  Logan Walker: You smile, you look nice, you say hi to the people that work there, they're gonna leave you alone.
• 1:33:33
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and a lot of times they're just intrigued by what we're doing.
• 1:33:35
  Vipul Bindra: They go, like, hey, that's a nice camera or whatever.
• 1:33:38
  Vipul Bindra: Rather, you have the opposite issue.
• 1:33:39
  Vipul Bindra: So apparently that conference they were doing some video or photo session somewhere, right?
• 1:33:44
  Vipul Bindra: So people would come to us through the days like, is this where we get our headshot taken?
• 1:33:48
  Vipul Bindra: Is this where we get our headshot?
• 1:33:49
  Vipul Bindra: We'd have to be like, no, no, no, no, no headshots here.
• 1:33:53
  Vipul Bindra: It's just video.
• 1:33:54
  Vipul Bindra: It's just video not on the FX.
• 1:33:55
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, not on the FX.
• 1:33:56
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, I could give you a screen grab, but you know what I mean?
• 1:33:59
  Vipul Bindra: Like, that's not what you're looking for.
• 1:34:00
  Vipul Bindra: Anyway, and plus we're not technically directly there with that conference, though.
• 1:34:04
  Vipul Bindra: We were like with a partner, right?
• 1:34:06
  Vipul Bindra: So anyway, so this this these type of things happen quite a bit where you just have to roll with the punches, but a lot of times it's just confidence, it's just acting like, yeah, I'm supposed to be there.
• 1:34:17
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and this is.
• 1:34:17
  Vipul Bindra: This is my job and I gotta do it.
• 1:34:19
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:34:19
  Vipul Bindra: Yep.
• 1:34:20
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, we've done that with the Kia Center.
• 1:34:22
  Vipul Bindra: I hope they're not watching.
• 1:34:23
  Vipul Bindra: Where we once we're when we're allowed to be there.
• 1:34:25
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, we'll get past this.
• 1:34:26
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying we're allowed to be there, but I'm like, sometimes like, where are we allowed to be?
• 1:34:30
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just like, just freaking walk with confidence and just go where we need to go.
• 1:34:33
  Vipul Bindra: We're gonna film what we need to film.
• 1:34:35
  Vipul Bindra: I'm not gonna stand here and like ask permission, you know.
• 1:34:39
  Vipul Bindra: I I guess do it and then ask for forgiveness later, type of thing.
• 1:34:42
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and no, usually nobody has a problem with it.
• 1:34:44
  Vipul Bindra: Like, but but it can come with parks.
• 1:34:47
  Vipul Bindra: What was the level that we went to where we had that great meal?
• 1:34:49
  Vipul Bindra: Was it the fourth level or wherever?
• 1:34:51
  Vipul Bindra: Some club lounge or whatever at the Kia Center?
• 1:34:54
  Vipul Bindra: For the buffet, right?
• 1:34:55
  Mario Rangel: Yeah, but thoroughforth, I think.
• 1:34:57
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, we went to some private lounge when we were we were done filming, we were taking a little break, and I'm pretty sure you need some kind of exclusive access.
• 1:35:05
  Vipul Bindra: And we just went there and we just sat down and we just had a really good meal.
• 1:35:08
  Vipul Bindra: It was a very high-quality meal, you know, with like you said, prime rib and steak and everything.
• 1:35:12
  Vipul Bindra: And we just had a good old time, and it was like nobody questioned us.
• 1:35:16
  Vipul Bindra: We sat there, they even, you know, they were like, Oh, sorry, we didn't serve you drinks.
• 1:35:20
  Vipul Bindra: What do you want?
• 1:35:21
  Vipul Bindra: And we're like, I'll take a Coke or I'll take this, you know, and whatever, and we're chilling right down.
• 1:35:25
  Vipul Bindra: You know, we're watching the game because we when we're actually filming, you don't get to really see the game or whatever, right?
• 1:35:30
  Vipul Bindra: We're doing whatever we're supposed to do.
• 1:35:31
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm saying those are the fun experiences where you can just act like you belong and just do your thing and you get out of there, you know.
• 1:35:38
  Vipul Bindra: To be real, no harm done, you know.
• 1:35:40
  Vipul Bindra: No, not at all.
• 1:35:42
  Logan Walker: That's the thing, too, with filming like live events when you start is you kind of have the imposter syndrome.
• 1:35:48
  Logan Walker: Like, I know I'm supposed to be here capturing this, but I don't want to get in the way or obstruct anyone's view.
• 1:35:54
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:35:54
  Logan Walker: And I I mean, when we start with weddings too, that's how we felt like in the ceremony, like, I don't want anyone to look at me, I don't want to be in the way.
• 1:36:00
  Logan Walker: But that's just kind of something that you get over with time.
• 1:36:03
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, because you have to, because you you're for you have to get the shot that you need to get the shot, even if you're in the way, I guess.
• 1:36:08
  Vipul Bindra: Um, and then also just like I said, the the level of access you get, like it took me a while to accept that like we have full access.
• 1:36:16
  Vipul Bindra: I don't I'm not a biggest fan of event videography, right?
• 1:36:19
  Vipul Bindra: Because to me, that's the only videography that they do, right?
• 1:36:22
  Vipul Bindra: The difference within videography and filmmaking is you can control light, right?
• 1:36:26
  Vipul Bindra: It's a controlled situation versus an uncontrolled situation.
• 1:36:29
  Vipul Bindra: So I prefer where I can control lighting or whatever.
• 1:36:33
  Vipul Bindra: But the thing is, we live in Orlando where conferences and you know uh events is is uh corporate events is a huge thing, so you cannot let that market go.
• 1:36:42
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 1:36:42
  Vipul Bindra: And so I'm not the biggest fan of it, but I do love the access that comes to it.
• 1:36:46
  Vipul Bindra: Sometimes you're doing something really cool or some conference or whatever, and then I love it that um, you know, you basically I can go wherever.
• 1:36:53
  Vipul Bindra: Like you said, nobody ever stops you.
• 1:36:55
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like I'm going backstage, going behind, like where most people wouldn't even be allowed to, like, we can just go essentially full access.
• 1:37:03
  Vipul Bindra: Yep.
• 1:37:04
  Vipul Bindra: So that's pretty cool, like to have access to.
• 1:37:06
  Vipul Bindra: Like sometimes they have a special band playing for some night or whatever, or something's happening, and then you know, you're able to just essentially go, oh, I want a shot from the stage.
• 1:37:15
  Vipul Bindra: Like I have had where we're doing events, and I'll tell in the mic I have somebody with me.
• 1:37:18
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, hey, go on the stage, and they're like, What?
• 1:37:20
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, no, go on the stage.
• 1:37:22
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I was like, no, go on the stage, get in front.
• 1:37:24
  Vipul Bindra: I don't care, get the shot, you know, get me some tights.
• 1:37:27
  Vipul Bindra: So essentially we can do that, and and and that's the butt so that I'm like, oh, we have a Bindra shirt, and I want that to be on wherever they're live streaming that right now.
• 1:37:35
  Logan Walker: Yeah, so it's advertising, yeah.
• 1:37:37
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:37:37
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, but in in general, though, I'm like, uh not to again take advantage of it.
• 1:37:42
  Vipul Bindra: We're there to get the shots.
• 1:37:43
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, we will do whatever it takes to get the shot, and and most times the client gets that.
• 1:37:48
  Vipul Bindra: They're like, no, they're there to do this thing we hired them to do, they're not gonna limit or restrict us.
• 1:37:53
  Vipul Bindra: And same thing with location.
• 1:37:54
  Vipul Bindra: You go with confidence, you have whatever past badge they give you, and then yeah, nobody really stops you.
• 1:38:00
  Vipul Bindra: But it can be fun, it can it can have its parks.
• 1:38:03
  Logan Walker: It's interesting.
• 1:38:04
  Logan Walker: When you're in the profession of videography, there's so many things and places that you're gonna see and do that most people are never gonna experience.
• 1:38:12
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's true, and it's so different.
• 1:38:13
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, I've the I like to do variety of type of clients, so like the things that we're doing are so different on a day-to-day basis, even though they're the same.
• 1:38:22
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, if you boil it down, we're making a video, we're shooting some interviews somewhere, some B-roll somewhere, right?
• 1:38:28
  Vipul Bindra: That's that's a narrow way of looking at it.
• 1:38:30
  Vipul Bindra: But if you actually think about the the places and the type of businesses we're doing are so different from a service like an app to to a car company, to a chemical company, uh I don't know, to two CEOs that are talking about uh something, you know, I don't know, to to dentists, to doctors.
• 1:38:49
  Vipul Bindra: Like, I mean it can be literally all over the place, and then what they're doing is so different, and it's so cool to be able to like go into I can talk about medical practices, going being able to see some very expensive machine that does something very specific that we would not know.
• 1:39:03
  Vipul Bindra: Um, like one of the coolest things I did again talk about Adam was uh the the pet thing that he do.
• 1:39:08
  Vipul Bindra: He does work with a lot of vets, vet hospitals to so being able to go see in surgery, like pets, I'd seen human surgery or whatever recorded that, but to be able to go and see how pet surgery happens and where it happens, to go in their clean room and you know, put on all the stuff.
• 1:39:23
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 1:39:23
  Vipul Bindra: I I just think it's fun, like and and it's interesting to be able to get access like that that you wouldn't normally get because why would I be backstage in a surgical center, right?
• 1:39:33
  Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
• 1:39:33
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I was like, why would I go?
• 1:39:35
  Vipul Bindra: And if I had my own pet, I would never want to go there because you know that's trauma-induced.
• 1:39:38
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:39:38
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, but here we are, and you know, you're able to see uh in you know, the two ways I look at it.
• 1:39:44
  Vipul Bindra: We're making great content, they're gonna get more work, everyone's gonna win.
• 1:39:47
  Vipul Bindra: But then also I'm seeing behind the scenes what happens, how they take care of these animals, how they're passionate about what they do, right?
• 1:39:53
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so if I ever need the services, I would know, like, yeah, I trust that place to send my pet or whatever, or my my it can be my doctor or whatever it is.
• 1:40:03
  Vipul Bindra: So it it it is confident in the using.
• 1:40:06
  Vipul Bindra: Plus, I like at least that A, I'm working with a nice person, like I'm promoting a business that actually cares.
• 1:40:12
  Vipul Bindra: It's not just they're not just like making this video just so they can sleaze ball to their customers or whatever.
• 1:40:18
  Vipul Bindra: It's good to know that when you're in there and you can see really what's actually happening.
• 1:40:23
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:40:25
  Vipul Bindra: Awesome.
• 1:40:25
  Vipul Bindra: Let's switch gears.
• 1:40:26
  Vipul Bindra: Let's talk about um uh Orlando in general.
• 1:40:30
  Vipul Bindra: So you have always been here, or you moved here, you said.
• 1:40:33
  Logan Walker: I moved here the summer of 2016, right after I graduated high school.
• 1:40:38
  Vipul Bindra: Okay, what brought you to Orlando?
• 1:40:40
  Logan Walker: Well, kind of taking it back a little bit, I've known I've always wanted to be in film um since probably early middle school.
• 1:40:48
  Logan Walker: And not that there aren't opportunities in Michigan, which is where I'm from, but he only had like one film school there, and of course, film school of course is not necessary.
• 1:40:58
  Logan Walker: Um I wanted to come to UCF.
• 1:41:00
  Logan Walker: I also wanted to get out of Michigan because it's very different than it is here.
• 1:41:04
  Logan Walker: I just needed like a change of change of pace.
• 1:41:07
  Logan Walker: Um, I originally wanted to go to UCF for their film program.
• 1:41:10
  Logan Walker: I started it at Valencia, and then I realized, oh, there's lots of prereqs I don't want to do like Spanish, which you know that probably would have helped now because Spanish is important to me.
• 1:41:21
  Logan Walker: Yeah, especially here.
• 1:41:22
  Logan Walker: My girlfriend's Venezuelan, so yeah.
• 1:41:24
  Logan Walker: Um but yeah, as well.
• 1:41:28
  Vipul Bindra: I guess she can swear at you and you have no idea what she's saying.
• 1:41:30
  Vipul Bindra: Oh no, no, I'm good enough now.
• 1:41:32
  Vipul Bindra: I know you're you're catching on to that and she's mad.
• 1:41:35
  Logan Walker: Yeah, I'm I'm the potty mouth in Spanish.
• 1:41:37
  Logan Walker: She's like, I don't want to hear that word.
• 1:41:38
  Logan Walker: So it's it's it's actually flipped.
• 1:41:40
  Logan Walker: Um so yeah, I realized I didn't want to spend all my time and money doing those classes that it was just a waste of time.
• 1:41:49
  Logan Walker: So I ended up going to Valencia uh college for the film program there, and it was fantastic, and it was not expensive.
• 1:41:55
  Logan Walker: I already I don't have any student loans, so it was great and it was worth it.
• 1:41:58
  Logan Walker: But yeah, that's the main reason I came down.
• 1:42:00
  Logan Walker: I was just wanted to change my location, meet new people, and um go to that school.
• 1:42:06
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, no, that's pretty cool.
• 1:42:08
  Vipul Bindra: That's uh that's awesome, and I guess you liked it here enough that you stayed.
• 1:42:11
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:42:11
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's pretty cool.
• 1:42:13
  Vipul Bindra: I I always love most people have I don't meet that many native Floridians who are like, oh yeah, I was born here.
• 1:42:18
  Vipul Bindra: Usually it's not super yeah, super common.
• 1:42:20
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, most people moved here from somewhere.
• 1:42:23
  Vipul Bindra: Um, and that's pretty cool.
• 1:42:24
  Vipul Bindra: So you came from Michigan to Orlando.
• 1:42:27
  Vipul Bindra: Do you plan on staying?
• 1:42:28
  Logan Walker: Or do you where are you at with um as of where I am now?
• 1:42:33
  Logan Walker: I don't see myself leaving Florida.
• 1:42:36
  Logan Walker: I've been to a good chunk of states, and I don't think there's one that I would change to.
• 1:42:41
  Logan Walker: Maybe I would change location in Florida.
• 1:42:44
  Logan Walker: I've considered Miami, but I've constantly hear it's too hectic, too expensive, which it is expensive 100%.
• 1:42:51
  Vipul Bindra: Um I mean Orlando's expensive too, but yes, Miami is.
• 1:42:55
  Logan Walker: It's it can be a different level.
• 1:42:56
  Logan Walker: Plus, I'm worried about when I buy property, having it be in Miami with the hurricanes.
• 1:43:03
  Logan Walker: Like Orlando's pretty safe, but anywhere else is kind of like a roll of the dice.
• 1:43:07
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I mean, even Orlando gets hit.
• 1:43:09
  Vipul Bindra: It's rare though, yes.
• 1:43:10
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh, but no, Miami for sure that there's a high chance.
• 1:43:13
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, what's the predictions?
• 1:43:14
  Vipul Bindra: I don't I don't know about uh, but it's like hundred years or whatever, it's gonna be all underwater or something.
• 1:43:20
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, I go there all the time and I'm like, you're telling me this is all gonna be supposedly underwater?
• 1:43:24
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 1:43:25
  Vipul Bindra: That'd be crazy.
• 1:43:26
  Vipul Bindra: I mean I won't be alive in a hundred years.
• 1:43:28
  Vipul Bindra: It doesn't matter, but I guess we won't be there to see it.
• 1:43:32
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:43:33
  Vipul Bindra: That's crazy to think about.
• 1:43:34
  Vipul Bindra: Um, but yeah, while while our lifetime is there, Miami's a great city, but like um, like you said, it at least not for me, but I do like going there.
• 1:43:43
  Vipul Bindra: I do like going there and filming and and and just seeing the culture or whatever, or trying the restaurant.
• 1:43:50
  Logan Walker: Yeah, I love the feeling of the city, it's very different than Orlando.
• 1:43:52
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:43:53
  Vipul Bindra: Well, we can play in GTA 6.
• 1:43:54
  Vipul Bindra: Do you are you a gamer?
• 1:43:55
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, I'm excited about that.
• 1:43:56
  Vipul Bindra: My favorite game as a kid growing up outside of Age of Emparts 2, like was Vice City, because you know, but um but it wasn't like that well done, like Miami.
• 1:44:05
  Vipul Bindra: Uh-huh.
• 1:44:06
  Vipul Bindra: Having now been to Miami and having seen trailers for GTS6, I'm really excited.
• 1:44:09
  Vipul Bindra: For that reason, I don't know how much time I'm gonna get because I'm already barely running on fumes, you know, sleep.
• 1:44:15
  Vipul Bindra: But I was like, that would be really cool now to actually play it, having you know been to that city enough times that uh I don't know, I think it'll be cool.
• 1:44:23
  Vipul Bindra: I'm excited.
• 1:44:24
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I mean, when I I know off topic for this podcast, but I don't know.
• 1:44:27
  Logan Walker: When I went to LA earlier this year, um I fired up GTA 5 again and I was like, okay, now I need to see how this location compares to the real life one.
• 1:44:35
  Logan Walker: How the pier looks, right?
• 1:44:36
  Logan Walker: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:44:37
  Logan Walker: In uh Griffith Observatory.
• 1:44:39
  Logan Walker: Oh my god.
• 1:44:40
  Logan Walker: Yeah, it's interesting.
• 1:44:41
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I mean they they try to not make it exact, you know, but it's it's it's close.
• 1:44:45
  Vipul Bindra: It's close, it's very close.
• 1:44:46
  Vipul Bindra: It's close.
• 1:44:46
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, because the scaling issues, obviously, if they made a real LA, you would never in a video game be able to get to it.
• 1:44:52
  Vipul Bindra: So it's scaled, you know, in a way that's you can get from one end to the other, you know.
• 1:44:56
  Vipul Bindra: Uh but no, it's done done really well.
• 1:44:58
  Vipul Bindra: And GTS6 is supposed to be even nicer.
• 1:45:00
  Vipul Bindra: And the things I looked at, I was like, oh, that does look like Miami.
• 1:45:03
  Vipul Bindra: So we'll see how nuts.
• 1:45:05
  Vipul Bindra: Oh yeah, how how nuts that gets.
• 1:45:07
  Vipul Bindra: That's gonna be fun.
• 1:45:08
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but no, like I said, coming back to the the the the point of the podcast, I would like I like shooting in Miami, but yeah, you're right.
• 1:45:14
  Vipul Bindra: At least on my perspective, I don't know if I'd ever move there.
• 1:45:18
  Vipul Bindra: And having moved and having seen again, think about what I like about this, having traveled to a lot in a lot of the states.
• 1:45:24
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just like, ah, really nice.
• 1:45:27
  Vipul Bindra: Like, I enjoyed coming here, beautiful, but I don't know if I'd move here.
• 1:45:30
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you know, it's good for coming for a few days and then enjoying it and then leaving and going back home.
• 1:45:35
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 1:45:36
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it seems fairly chill here, and that's what I like.
• 1:45:38
  Logan Walker: And the good thing about being from Michigan is that a lot of people, I mean, I guess around the world, but a lot of people from Michigan vacation here.
• 1:45:46
  Logan Walker: So I've had the opportunity to see a lot of like old friends and relatives that come down here to like go to the parks or just go to the beaches, and I just happen to be here too.
• 1:45:54
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:45:55
  Logan Walker: So it's really accessible.
• 1:45:57
  Vipul Bindra: No, that's pretty cool.
• 1:45:57
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, because you're right.
• 1:45:58
  Vipul Bindra: People will come down here anyway.
• 1:46:00
  Vipul Bindra: So you you it's not like you're not gonna get to see your family and friends because at some point everyone's coming down here, whether it's to go to the beach, to go to the theme parks, or to go to any of the million things that you can do in Florida.
• 1:46:12
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, just the keys is so beautiful, man.
• 1:46:14
  Vipul Bindra: Like, there's so many things to do anyway.
• 1:46:16
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:46:16
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, so that's pretty cool.
• 1:46:17
  Vipul Bindra: Um, awesome.
• 1:46:18
  Vipul Bindra: So, what's next for you guys?
• 1:46:19
  Vipul Bindra: What are you thinking about doing next?
• 1:46:21
  Vipul Bindra: In terms of like our wedding company?
• 1:46:23
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, the whole thing, videography, life in general.
• 1:46:26
  Vipul Bindra: You're gonna get married.
• 1:46:27
  Vipul Bindra: What are you gonna do next?
• 1:46:28
  Vipul Bindra: Oh my goodness.
• 1:46:28
  Vipul Bindra: I don't want to put you on the spot.
• 1:46:30
  Vipul Bindra: Don't put me on the spot.
• 1:46:31
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, no, I'm just saying, what are you thinking?
• 1:46:33
  Vipul Bindra: What's next?
• 1:46:33
  Vipul Bindra: I don't I don't want to cause any problems there.
• 1:46:36
  Vipul Bindra: Uh yeah, we'll see if she loves it.
• 1:46:38
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, hopefully, hopefully not anymore.
• 1:46:40
  Vipul Bindra: I was looking for it, but now I'm like, uh, anyway.
• 1:46:42
  Vipul Bindra: Um, in terms of the company, I just yes.
• 1:46:45
  Vipul Bindra: You were supposed to bring yes, yeah.
• 1:46:47
  Vipul Bindra: You're like, I'm shopping for rings right now.
• 1:46:49
  Logan Walker: Anyway, um, we want to rebrand to do more elopement style because we love weddings or elopements that are small, yeah, less hectic.
• 1:47:02
  Logan Walker: And even when not only when you get to really know the couple, but you get to know the wedding party, immediate family.
• 1:47:08
  Logan Walker: You the crop the product that you create when you have when you build a personal relationship with the people you're filming, it's much better than just show up and shoot me or film me.
• 1:47:17
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:47:17
  Logan Walker: Um, so we want to do more destination stuff because you know, I also told her told her I'm tired of going to the same venues, filming the same thing.
• 1:47:26
  Logan Walker: I want to explore the United States or travel abroad, and with elopements, you get both of those, plus it's small.
• 1:47:34
  Logan Walker: So that's kind of like where we're gonna start heading to.
• 1:47:38
  Vipul Bindra: So what's your approach?
• 1:47:39
  Vipul Bindra: How would you film an elopement different from let's say standard wedding?
• 1:47:42
  Vipul Bindra: Is it just that it's faster or do you change your approach?
• 1:47:48
  Logan Walker: Well, an elopement would probably be slower.
• 1:47:50
  Logan Walker: Um because I th to my knowledge, I mean, uh granted, we haven't done like a full-on elopement yet.
• 1:47:57
  Logan Walker: Um it's gonna be like a multi-day event with some with uh less people, so I think you'll have more time to maybe do more lighting and you'll have more control over the day.
• 1:48:08
  Logan Walker: Versus I'll I'll use this for an example.
• 1:48:13
  Logan Walker: During a wedding, we try to light the speeches and we tell everyone who's speaking, stand right here.
• 1:48:19
  Logan Walker: That's where we have it lit.
• 1:48:20
  Logan Walker: And then they stay there for 10 seconds and then they walk somewhere else.
• 1:48:23
  Logan Walker: I'm like, this is why we can't have nice things.
• 1:48:25
  Logan Walker: Exactly.
• 1:48:26
  Logan Walker: So I think with an elotement, you have more can creative control.
• 1:48:29
  Logan Walker: Yeah, there's less going on, it's less busy.
• 1:48:32
  Vipul Bindra: Do you do any lighting right now or no?
• 1:48:34
  Vipul Bindra: For receptions, or maybe do you guys put up some lights or yeah?
• 1:48:37
  Logan Walker: So um we use like the aperture uh 60x uh light storms.
• 1:48:43
  Logan Walker: Um I don't really use like a lantern or balloon to to give up, like pull up the ambient.
• 1:48:50
  Logan Walker: Um maybe I will in the future because I just bought a 600x, but um, even then that might be kind of overkill for some things like thing.
• 1:48:57
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, mainly what are you trying to do?
• 1:48:58
  Vipul Bindra: Just light the person who's speaking or whatever, or just bring up ambient light or a mixture of both.
• 1:49:03
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:49:04
  Logan Walker: Um, if we didn't have to crank the ISO, it'd be nice.
• 1:49:06
  Logan Walker: But you know, with weddings too, you write a fine line of what looks good for video, and then the couple's like it's too bright in here.
• 1:49:13
  Logan Walker: I want it to be darker for the dancing.
• 1:49:15
  Logan Walker: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:49:16
  Vipul Bindra: No, I get that.
• 1:49:17
  Vipul Bindra: That's pretty cool.
• 1:49:18
  Logan Walker: I would love to push more lighting and creative control and do like full filmmaker mode on a wedding versus kind of just run and gunning.
• 1:49:25
  Logan Walker: But I mean, with the wedding, it's it's trade-offs.
• 1:49:28
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:49:28
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, do you do any kind of marketing or no?
• 1:49:31
  Vipul Bindra: How do you get clients?
• 1:49:33
  Logan Walker: Uh, mostly Instagram.
• 1:49:34
  Logan Walker: Um, we haven't been pushing ads for a while, but um, we will start pushing them again soon once we rebrand.
• 1:49:40
  Vipul Bindra: Are you getting enough leads though already from the existing couples and Instagram that you don't really need to do ads?
• 1:49:45
  Logan Walker: Yeah, and we get referrals as well.
• 1:49:47
  Logan Walker: Okay.
• 1:49:47
  Logan Walker: But um, she's on top of posting on our Instagram a couple times a week, so we get pretty good traction on there too.
• 1:49:54
  Logan Walker: We finally had a real post a million views, which is crazy.
• 1:49:57
  Vipul Bindra: Oh wow, that's yeah, that's pretty cool.
• 1:49:59
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:49:59
  Vipul Bindra: Wow.
• 1:50:00
  Vipul Bindra: That's that's pretty cool.
• 1:50:01
  Vipul Bindra: Did that I'm I'm uh I'm guessing that brought a lot of traction in too.
• 1:50:05
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:50:06
  Logan Walker: Yeah, we got a lot of followers from that.
• 1:50:07
  Vipul Bindra: That's awesome.
• 1:50:08
  Vipul Bindra: How many followers do you guys have?
• 1:50:10
  Logan Walker: I think right now we're only pushing three thousand.
• 1:50:12
  Logan Walker: Okay.
• 1:50:13
  Logan Walker: That's pretty good to get them.
• 1:50:14
  Logan Walker: We started from nothing years ago.
• 1:50:16
  Vipul Bindra: So do you have three thousand followers?
• 1:50:18
  Vipul Bindra: Also have one of the reels hit a million views.
• 1:50:21
  Vipul Bindra: That's yeah.
• 1:50:22
  Vipul Bindra: That's kind of crazy.
• 1:50:22
  Vipul Bindra: It's something.
• 1:50:23
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I'll take it.
• 1:50:24
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:50:25
  Vipul Bindra: So do you ever see doing anything like what we do?
• 1:50:27
  Vipul Bindra: Obviously, not the podcast, but I'm like, you know, the corporate and commercial type of filmmaking that I do, which is I don't know, a couple of FX6s, A roll, you know, getting B roll with the FXTs, maybe on a gimbal or something like that.
• 1:50:39
  Vipul Bindra: Uh helping a client, I don't know, make a blank brand story, testimonials, training videos.
• 1:50:45
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 1:50:45
  Vipul Bindra: Any any of this type of work?
• 1:50:47
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, I know you're already branching into reels, so uh for corporate do you see doing any of this type of work?
• 1:50:52
  Logan Walker: I'm completely open to it.
• 1:50:53
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:50:53
  Logan Walker: I don't really know how I would start doing it.
• 1:50:56
  Logan Walker: I know a lot of people use like upwork, but um, I've been I've done enough like um convention center shoots where I like I understand how to do it and how it works.
• 1:51:04
  Logan Walker: Um, yeah, but I just haven't pursued it yet by myself.
• 1:51:07
  Logan Walker: But it's something that I'm open to.
• 1:51:09
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:51:09
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, I think it just is very similar.
• 1:51:11
  Vipul Bindra: You just have to nail down uh because you know you're still doing camera, you're still doing audio, you're still doing lighting.
• 1:51:17
  Vipul Bindra: I think it just obviously beginner, it's very easy.
• 1:51:19
  Vipul Bindra: You just set your cameras, get the framing right, you get the audio right.
• 1:51:22
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but I think as you get advanced, the main thing comes down to again is the the lighting, right?
• 1:51:27
  Vipul Bindra: And then the ability to move fast is the key.
• 1:51:30
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:51:30
  Vipul Bindra: Because which is where, like, again, lean into the technologies, right?
• 1:51:34
  Vipul Bindra: For me, it's like lean into the autofocus, lean into the of the bigger and better light sources and stuff like that.
• 1:51:39
  Vipul Bindra: Because at the end of the day, you never know.
• 1:51:41
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, sometimes you get lucky, you show up and they're like, Yeah, you have four hours set up, and you're like chilling, you're like, oh wow, I can move.
• 1:51:47
  Vipul Bindra: But usually it's not like that.
• 1:51:48
  Vipul Bindra: Usually it's like you have CEO in 10 minutes, you have this person, and they only have a 15-minute lunch break or whatever, you know, especially when you're saying you're doing important people at a company, they are very tight on schedule.
• 1:51:59
  Vipul Bindra: So you have to move fast.
• 1:52:01
  Vipul Bindra: That's just the key.
• 1:52:02
  Vipul Bindra: And a lot of times I may approach, like, you know, when we plan a shoot, I'm like, okay, so we'll start this, then for the next person, we'll switch the scene a little bit, just so it looks, you know, different background.
• 1:52:12
  Vipul Bindra: Then we'll switch different.
• 1:52:13
  Vipul Bindra: But a lot of times, like, oh, next person's here, so you're like, okay, well, we gotta go.
• 1:52:18
  Vipul Bindra: There's no switching, yeah.
• 1:52:19
  Vipul Bindra: Right?
• 1:52:19
  Vipul Bindra: There's stuff like that.
• 1:52:20
  Vipul Bindra: You just kind of roll with the punches a little more, and then but you do get to be more creative, you do still like get to see lighting more, do the three-point lighting, and and you then you can take keep taking that more advanced.
• 1:52:30
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, and seems like you already have kind of the equipment to start with it because a 600x uh is my favorite key light, what we're using here on corporate shoots.
• 1:52:38
  Vipul Bindra: If I'm doing a fast-paced shoot, I throw a 600x with a light dome 150, maybe throw a grid on it, you know, a couple of cameras.
• 1:52:45
  Vipul Bindra: It's like the easiest way to start a tube or a 60x as a backlight.
• 1:52:50
  Vipul Bindra: Yep.
• 1:52:50
  Vipul Bindra: And then obviously, this is like the most basic thing.
• 1:52:52
  Vipul Bindra: Then you can obviously start building on it as it gets advanced.
• 1:52:56
  Vipul Bindra: If the budget is higher than like, okay, let's put a frame here instead of a dome, right?
• 1:53:00
  Vipul Bindra: Yep.
• 1:53:00
  Vipul Bindra: Or I don't know, do let's do more for the the background, let's throw Gobo in there or whatever.
• 1:53:05
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm saying it's it's not like something unique that you're not already doing, it's just kind of bringing it all together and then doing it faster.
• 1:53:12
  Vipul Bindra: Right.
• 1:53:12
  Vipul Bindra: So, like, are your pocket for us good enough?
• 1:53:15
  Vipul Bindra: Probably.
• 1:53:15
  Vipul Bindra: But it's like if it's you're by yourself, you know, and now you have to focus on both, and you know, it may become and then you have to ask questions.
• 1:53:23
  Vipul Bindra: Sometimes it can be really small crew where it's just you, then you're like, how do I make sure both stay in focus?
• 1:53:28
  Vipul Bindra: And you can also ask them questions, so stuff like that.
• 1:53:31
  Vipul Bindra: So it may be a little challenging, but nothing you know, you can't handle type of thing.
• 1:53:35
  Logan Walker: Yeah, and I I had an interview where I was like, Well, I can just do manual focus, they're just sitting the whole time.
• 1:53:42
  Logan Walker: Like, should be fine.
• 1:53:43
  Logan Walker: And then I go back to watch it and they're leaning and out moving around.
• 1:53:47
  Logan Walker: I'm like, oh yeah, you guys.
• 1:53:48
  Logan Walker: This is why I believe autofocus.
• 1:53:50
  Vipul Bindra: And I mean, we do it, like you said, the one we're gonna do on Tuesday with uh Mario and uh Emmanuel and stuff, they're gonna have to manually because we're using thinny lenses, uh-huh.
• 1:53:58
  Vipul Bindra: So they're gonna have to manually focus uh because there's no autofocus in them.
• 1:54:02
  Vipul Bindra: But yeah, autofocus does help, especially with the ones with eye tracking, you know.
• 1:54:06
  Vipul Bindra: Because like you said, it's not a lot, but they are a lot of people will go back and forth a little bit.
• 1:54:11
  Vipul Bindra: And uh, if you're using the type of lenses I do, like my interview angles is 514 and 85.1.4, your focal plane's less, especially on these GM lenses, because they're photoglass.
• 1:54:21
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, at least with cining glass, the follow-off is really nice, right?
• 1:54:25
  Vipul Bindra: Um, so but again, I'm saying when we do Cininglass, you have to manually focus.
• 1:54:29
  Vipul Bindra: But then I like a person on each camera.
• 1:54:32
  Vipul Bindra: I don't like one person.
• 1:54:33
  Vipul Bindra: That's when I'm I like autofocus.
• 1:54:35
  Vipul Bindra: Like it's just me or me and assistant, then we're we're picking, you know, autofocus.
• 1:54:39
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's just it is what we understand.
• 1:54:41
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but and usually when you want to go cinematic anyway, you have a higher budget.
• 1:54:44
  Vipul Bindra: That's when I go, okay, I can be on one, Mari can be one, or rather, I'd rather be directing than I can have one person on each camera.
• 1:54:51
  Vipul Bindra: And then, like you said, it's not like you're focusing a lot, you're just turning uh the focus hour a little bit.
• 1:54:56
  Vipul Bindra: Exactly.
• 1:54:57
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you want to have focus speaking on the eye and kind of track it a little bit because they will.
• 1:55:01
  Vipul Bindra: This is a very common thing.
• 1:55:02
  Vipul Bindra: And I try to find the most stable seat, you know, that you can that you that can be tough in some locations.
• 1:55:08
  Vipul Bindra: Anywhere I can bring it, especially locally, I'll bring like a stool or whatever that I know is perfect for interview.
• 1:55:14
  Vipul Bindra: But most times, you know, you can't.
• 1:55:15
  Vipul Bindra: You don't have room for it, or or you're traveling far where you don't you can't.
• 1:55:19
  Vipul Bindra: And that's where you know, I'll try and at least that's that can be one of the biggest things, finding a chair or a bar stool or something that you know it doesn't swivel, you know, it doesn't lean.
• 1:55:29
  Vipul Bindra: Because they're already gonna try and do that.
• 1:55:31
  Vipul Bindra: You want to restrict them as much as possible so they're not doing too much of this.
• 1:55:35
  Vipul Bindra: And I always tell them, like, hey, talk with your hands.
• 1:55:38
  Vipul Bindra: I like that, not with your body, you know, because it's really good.
• 1:55:41
  Vipul Bindra: And then the other thing being shirts, you want to tell them to wear solid colors and stuff like that.
• 1:55:45
  Vipul Bindra: The patterns can be distracting.
• 1:55:46
  Vipul Bindra: What is that called more A?
• 1:55:48
  Vipul Bindra: It's not a that big of an issue on this.
• 1:55:50
  Vipul Bindra: I heard the 6K, which is why I didn't buy the Ronan 46K for a while, because apparently um uh it had a lot of that issue uh on that sensor, but apparently the 8K doesn't, and uh but I've never had that issue, but in just general, you want to avoid busy patterns because cameras can just do weird things with patterns, they're not perfect yet.
• 1:56:07
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:56:08
  Vipul Bindra: So, but I mean saying again, vetting and event photography, I would put in or videography in one thing, so it's very easy to go from wedding to video event because it's pretty much the same thing.
• 1:56:20
  Vipul Bindra: Uh but the the switch to corporate is very similar, just slightly different.
• 1:56:25
  Vipul Bindra: Those things are similar, you know.
• 1:56:26
  Vipul Bindra: You gotta do more lighting, more more cinematic, whatever you call it, but and then move it faster.
• 1:56:33
  Vipul Bindra: Not that you don't move weddings faster already, but it's not nothing hard.
• 1:56:37
  Vipul Bindra: I tell people like the whole goal is do what you enjoy, you can do anything.
• 1:56:41
  Vipul Bindra: Like, you spend time with like, for example, me, I can show you corporate and commercial filmmaking in a couple of months.
• 1:56:46
  Vipul Bindra: It's not that complicated.
• 1:56:47
  Vipul Bindra: Um, you know, same thing, I'm sure if I hung out with you for a couple of weddings, I would know what to do.
• 1:56:52
  Vipul Bindra: It's just more like, do I'm passionate about it?
• 1:56:55
  Vipul Bindra: Could I do what you guys do?
• 1:56:56
  Vipul Bindra: Probably not.
• 1:56:57
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, could I do it?
• 1:56:58
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, but do I want to do it?
• 1:56:59
  Vipul Bindra: No.
• 1:57:00
  Vipul Bindra: Same thing, you know, it'd be like, like you said, maybe you're interested, and then you could you do it?
• 1:57:04
  Vipul Bindra: Absolutely.
• 1:57:04
  Vipul Bindra: You just have to do it, you know.
• 1:57:06
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, you're already doing reels.
• 1:57:07
  Vipul Bindra: It's not that complicated to add some lighting.
• 1:57:10
  Vipul Bindra: Uh it's just it's just building blocks.
• 1:57:12
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:57:12
  Vipul Bindra: I think the biggest thing is finding those clients, giving them results, making them uh get they want, you know, and then slowly don't do it like me, and then you end up with all this gear because you needed it, and then now you're like, oh I what can I use?
• 1:57:25
  Vipul Bindra: And then I, you know, you're throwing so much gear at it.
• 1:57:27
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, sure, it looks nice.
• 1:57:29
  Vipul Bindra: People appreciate it, especially on higher-end projects when you know we create some beautiful images.
• 1:57:34
  Vipul Bindra: Too bad it's most of the time it's NDA, but it's like, you know, I'm really proud of what we create, um, you know, images-wise.
• 1:57:41
  Vipul Bindra: Um, and even for low low clients that you know that that don't have high budgets, my opinion.
• 1:57:46
  Vipul Bindra: Again, and it depends on who you're looking at.
• 1:57:48
  Vipul Bindra: For someone, five grand is a lot of money.
• 1:57:50
  Vipul Bindra: For someone it's not.
• 1:57:51
  Vipul Bindra: But point is even for our low budget clients, I think we create incredible images.
• 1:57:55
  Vipul Bindra: I like to not cut corners.
• 1:57:57
  Vipul Bindra: My entire thing is I'm gonna do the best I can at that price point, and um and at least I shoot for it.
• 1:58:03
  Vipul Bindra: I don't want ever to be a limitation.
• 1:58:05
  Vipul Bindra: I like to roll with it, and then we're gonna do it.
• 1:58:07
  Vipul Bindra: I don't want once to say, oh, if only I had this, then I could do better.
• 1:58:11
  Vipul Bindra: Then to me, it's like uh, you know, it's an excuse.
• 1:58:14
  Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
• 1:58:14
  Vipul Bindra: I know now there's things I can't control.
• 1:58:17
  Vipul Bindra: Like I can't control timing and availability of the people or cruise size because they have to pay for that.
• 1:58:23
  Vipul Bindra: But uh beyond that, I'm not gonna have any limitation.
• 1:58:27
  Vipul Bindra: You know, I'm gonna give them the most foolproof thing that I can.
• 1:58:30
  Vipul Bindra: At least that's what I try to aim to.
• 1:58:32
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:58:33
  Vipul Bindra: But yeah, if you were interested, I would love to work with you.
• 1:58:35
  Vipul Bindra: I had such a good time on Adam's shoot.
• 1:58:37
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh, yeah, definitely.
• 1:58:39
  Vipul Bindra: You were the best part of that shoot.
• 1:58:41
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, I hate working with Adam.
• 1:58:42
  Vipul Bindra: I'm not just joking.
• 1:58:43
  Vipul Bindra: I'm just probably listening going well.
• 1:58:45
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I know.
• 1:58:46
  Vipul Bindra: He's so annoying, right?
• 1:58:47
  Vipul Bindra: The whole time I was like, uh, why does he have to be Adam?
• 1:58:49
  Vipul Bindra: What does he want from me now?
• 1:58:50
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, too demanding.
• 1:58:52
  Vipul Bindra: He's like, just stand here.
• 1:58:53
  Logan Walker: I was waiting for him to crash the drone.
• 1:58:55
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 1:58:55
  Logan Walker: He's lucky he did it.
• 1:58:57
  Vipul Bindra: No, but Adam shooter, like to be real for a second, they're so easy, right?
• 1:59:01
  Vipul Bindra: That's why I like working with him.
• 1:59:02
  Vipul Bindra: A lot of people ask me, they're like, You work with him a lot.
• 1:59:04
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, yeah, because he gives the easiest shoots ever, and it's fun to hang out with.
• 1:59:08
  Vipul Bindra: It's all his fun people.
• 1:59:09
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, this one obviously I've worked with Doran a lot, but I like working with him.
• 1:59:13
  Vipul Bindra: Then it was a good chance to work with you, and I'm like, we genuinely barely just did anything, in my opinion.
• 1:59:18
  Vipul Bindra: You know, I was like, this is a fun shoot, you know.
• 1:59:20
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 1:59:20
  Vipul Bindra: Uh so it's like that.
• 1:59:22
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, this is pretty fun, yeah.
• 1:59:24
  Logan Walker: So do you think Adam's shoots are like that because of the clients he gets and the expectations he sets and like how he structures it, or it's just everything.
• 1:59:32
  Vipul Bindra: I think he's smart as in like finding clients that are cool.
• 1:59:36
  Vipul Bindra: A, right?
• 1:59:37
  Vipul Bindra: B, setting the expectations correct, and then three, overdoing it.
• 1:59:41
  Vipul Bindra: There was no reason for three of us to be there, four of us to be there.
• 1:59:44
  Vipul Bindra: Actually, five of us.
• 1:59:44
  Vipul Bindra: It looks good that we're looking obviously the content's great, and then uh I think um that's basically it, you know.
• 1:59:51
  Vipul Bindra: And this and anytime I have a budget, to be honest, I'm doing the same thing.
• 1:59:54
  Vipul Bindra: Like, I'm doing a shooting Tuesday, we're gonna have seven people there.
• 1:59:57
  Vipul Bindra: I told the client there'll be three of us.
• 1:59:58
  Vipul Bindra: I hope that makes sense.
• 1:59:59
  Vipul Bindra: So, so you know, it's like when you overplan your production company and you do it really well.
• 2:00:04
  Vipul Bindra: Now I know everything should hopefully go smoothly because we have more people, right?
• 2:00:08
  Vipul Bindra: Um, and and or more talented people, not just bodies of any person that is gonna everyone there is talented and expert in their field, so you can like deploy them more efficiently.
• 2:00:16
  Vipul Bindra: Same thing, like we were all there, like like I said, we were we kind of knew what we were doing.
• 2:00:21
  Vipul Bindra: It's very easy, like hey, for him to as a director to say, like, I want a camera here, here, here.
• 2:00:25
  Vipul Bindra: This is what I'm kind of looking for, and then we just make it happen, right?
• 2:00:29
  Vipul Bindra: Right, like I said, there was no need for four of us to be there in five, if you include Marco, two of us could have done it, right?
• 2:00:35
  Vipul Bindra: And that's not bad.
• 2:00:36
  Vipul Bindra: That's what I'm saying.
• 2:00:37
  Vipul Bindra: That's what why it was so smooth and easy because he already planned it and he needs a certain amount of shots.
• 2:00:43
  Vipul Bindra: Now we're getting three X that shots.
• 2:00:45
  Vipul Bindra: That's why we were all like, we're getting too much, but if that's why it's like it's by design, and the advantage that he gets is when he goes to edit again.
• 2:00:52
  Vipul Bindra: That's what I'm assuming.
• 2:00:52
  Vipul Bindra: I can ask Adam when he's here uh, you know, uh in a few episodes, but uh most likely that's by design.
• 2:00:58
  Vipul Bindra: It's like, hey, I want a if somebody for some reason F's up or doesn't show up, then he's enough angles, and then B, um, you know, that he has enough shots to make whatever the edit needs to be.
• 2:01:09
  Vipul Bindra: And there's there's things like that, and that's where separates you know a premium option from just any option, right?
• 2:01:15
  Vipul Bindra: Because you have to be prepared for anything and everything.
• 2:01:17
  Vipul Bindra: That's why you're the company, you're not just an individual.
• 2:01:20
  Vipul Bindra: Um, because it's your name on the line, right?
• 2:01:22
  Vipul Bindra: When you go work for AK Studio, right, or Adam K Studio, you are representing him, right?
• 2:01:28
  Vipul Bindra: So if you F up, it's still his name and his company on the line.
• 2:01:31
  Vipul Bindra: That makes sense.
• 2:01:32
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 2:01:33
  Vipul Bindra: So and and so that's why I'm saying it was easy.
• 2:01:35
  Vipul Bindra: They're easy because it's overdone.
• 2:01:36
  Vipul Bindra: And I'm pretty sure Mario can chime in.
• 2:01:39
  Vipul Bindra: You haven't had a chance to work with me.
• 2:01:41
  Vipul Bindra: Are my shoots easy or no?
• 2:01:43
  Vipul Bindra: Tell the truth.
• 2:01:44
  Vipul Bindra: Yes, they are.
• 2:01:46
  Mario Rangel: I think the other easy, they're fun.
• 2:01:48
  Mario Rangel: Uh the clients are are also fun to work with.
• 2:01:51
  Mario Rangel: Yeah.
• 2:01:52
  Vipul Bindra: You find good clients, you find good people to work with, and you make their life as easy as possible.
• 2:01:56
  Vipul Bindra: Like, like I said, when I show up, most things are dialed in, most things are already set.
• 2:02:00
  Vipul Bindra: So it makes your job as a camera operator or whatever you're doing a lot easier.
• 2:02:05
  Vipul Bindra: And I would say if you ever step into this role, then same thing.
• 2:02:08
  Vipul Bindra: Just make everyone, and if you've been in the all the roles, then you it's easier to do it, right?
• 2:02:12
  Vipul Bindra: Because I go work as a gaffer or a sound guy or DP on other people's shoot, then I learn, and then I just apply that to my shoot.
• 2:02:18
  Vipul Bindra: Like, how can I make it easier?
• 2:02:20
  Vipul Bindra: That if I bring you on as a cam op or as a DP, how can I make your life easier so you can get me the best image?
• 2:02:25
  Vipul Bindra: Right?
• 2:02:26
  Vipul Bindra: That makes sense.
• 2:02:26
  Vipul Bindra: Just creating like the vibe on set, expectations and yeah, giving the right crew crew, getting the right equipment, giving you the right amount of time that we can.
• 2:02:35
  Vipul Bindra: Corporate shoots again, usually not possible.
• 2:02:37
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:02:37
  Vipul Bindra: But but at least plan for it, like you said.
• 2:02:40
  Vipul Bindra: Like the shoot I'm talking about, they were like, come at eight or nine.
• 2:02:42
  Vipul Bindra: I was like, no, no, we're coming at seven.
• 2:02:44
  Vipul Bindra: We can shoot at nine because they don't understand the setup time.
• 2:02:47
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, no, we can set start setting up at seven so that we can shoot at nine.
• 2:02:51
  Vipul Bindra: We're not gonna show up at eight, eight thirty to shoot at nine.
• 2:02:53
  Logan Walker: That's when some people don't understand, like you can't start shooting the minute you you show up.
• 2:02:58
  Logan Walker: Yeah, exactly.
• 2:02:58
  Vipul Bindra: And that's okay, because you know they're they're they're business owners, they're good at what they do.
• 2:03:01
  Vipul Bindra: So after we're like, no, no, it takes us a couple hours.
• 2:03:04
  Vipul Bindra: Let us show early.
• 2:03:05
  Vipul Bindra: We're happy to show up early.
• 2:03:06
  Vipul Bindra: You don't have to worry about it.
• 2:03:08
  Vipul Bindra: Like, you don't have to be ready at that time.
• 2:03:09
  Vipul Bindra: We will be getting ready at that time.
• 2:03:12
  Vipul Bindra: You still show up the time you want to.
• 2:03:13
  Vipul Bindra: So these are the type of things I'm saying that you overplan, you overdo it, and you you do it right, and then you do it enough that you fix holes, and ultimately you became become such an efficient workflow that clients hire you because you're easy to work with, you make it fun, you make it easy, you get great results.
• 2:03:30
  Vipul Bindra: You know, it's like a whole package, right?
• 2:03:32
  Vipul Bindra: Um, and then, like I said, and then you work with your friends so you can pass off each other things like, hey, you want to be second cam here, or let me come be second cam and you're or I need this equipment, let me rent this from your.
• 2:03:42
  Vipul Bindra: Why don't you come and bring this equipment with you, right?
• 2:03:45
  Vipul Bindra: Like in that shoe, like I think I brought all the cameras, or did he have a camera?
• 2:03:48
  Vipul Bindra: I think he had a camera there.
• 2:03:49
  Vipul Bindra: But I think more like I brought a ton of equipment there.
• 2:03:52
  Vipul Bindra: So maybe.
• 2:03:52
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that one, and then I brought the other one.
• 2:03:57
  Vipul Bindra: So it made it easy for him too, you know, because nobody needs to own four FX3s or 30s or whatever we have there.
• 2:04:03
  Vipul Bindra: So it's kind of like that.
• 2:04:04
  Vipul Bindra: That's where you tap into the the your friends and in in your and even if let's say he had not needed me, uh, you know, to be honest, he didn't, but you know, he didn't need I'm saying that many people that we were there, uh, but uh he could have just rented that equipment for me or whatever, and I would have happily given it to him.
• 2:04:21
  Vipul Bindra: That's basically where I think resources come in.
• 2:04:24
  Vipul Bindra: It's not just him when you build a big network, you know, uh then then you help each other out and um and everyone wins in the end.
• 2:04:31
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
• 2:04:31
  Vipul Bindra: Awesome, Logan.
• 2:04:32
  Vipul Bindra: Can't believe it's already been two hours.
• 2:04:34
  Vipul Bindra: Uh I know it always goes by so fast.
• 2:04:37
  Vipul Bindra: So before we go, anything else you want to touch on before we wrap?
• 2:04:41
  Logan Walker: Okay, I'll ask you this question.
• 2:04:42
  Logan Walker: So after that experience with Adam and us shooting together, would you be open to doing more weddings in the future?
• 2:04:50
  Logan Walker: Or no.
• 2:04:50
  Logan Walker: No.
• 2:04:52
  Vipul Bindra: That's an easy answer.
• 2:04:53
  Vipul Bindra: No.
• 2:04:53
  Vipul Bindra: Because again, uh, if it's that style, to be honest, it's documentary where we're we have more freedom.
• 2:04:59
  Vipul Bindra: Like I said, we had we could basically do whatever, right?
• 2:05:01
  Vipul Bindra: Like we're we're not like it has to be cut this way, right?
• 2:05:04
  Vipul Bindra: It has to be like we have to go get them ready and first look or whatever the standard wedding formula is.
• 2:05:10
  Vipul Bindra: That's not for me.
• 2:05:11
  Vipul Bindra: Because I said that's videography, and there's great videographers out there.
• 2:05:14
  Vipul Bindra: But what we did to me is more interesting because we were a working in a group, uh, we were there to capture some documentary that's gonna probably end up on some uh news outlet or whatever, whatever.
• 2:05:26
  Vipul Bindra: You know, I don't know.
• 2:05:26
  Vipul Bindra: That to me, that's that I'm okay with where we have a sound guy.
• 2:05:30
  Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
• 2:05:30
  Vipul Bindra: Like an anomaly.
• 2:05:31
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:05:32
  Vipul Bindra: It's an anomaly, but I that I would be open to.
• 2:05:34
  Vipul Bindra: But to be honest, no, if somebody asks me to be a second shooter at a wedding, I'm probably not the right guy because you have so many other people that you can ask to for, you know, who can now that this is the opposite.
• 2:05:44
  Vipul Bindra: If you're like well, I'm doing a commercial, I'm doing a corporate shoot or whatever.
• 2:05:48
  Vipul Bindra: I want somebody, I'm the perfect guy there.
• 2:05:49
  Vipul Bindra: Like I could, you know, I've done thousands and thousands and thousands of those shoots.
• 2:05:53
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, you know, I can do it.
• 2:05:54
  Vipul Bindra: But then I do do anomalies.
• 2:05:56
  Vipul Bindra: Like I did that shoot with with you guys, but then also I've shot movies, you know.
• 2:06:00
  Vipul Bindra: Funny enough, like I don't even know, like a lot of people like IMDB, I don't even go there, but maybe something is there.
• 2:06:06
  Vipul Bindra: But I've had people like, hey, I'm doing an indie movie, can you plus DP for me or whatever?
• 2:06:10
  Vipul Bindra: I did one for Daisy, uh, somebody he works, he worked with.
• 2:06:13
  Vipul Bindra: So uh, you know, I'm down to do that, is what I'm saying.
• 2:06:16
  Vipul Bindra: But that's an anomaly, that's an exception.
• 2:06:17
  Vipul Bindra: Okay.
• 2:06:18
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, not a normal thing.
• 2:06:19
  Vipul Bindra: On a normal day, I'm kind of happy where I am, uh, which is like, but what I'm looking more for is more commercials, more carpet stuff, where you can be nimble, right?
• 2:06:29
  Vipul Bindra: That's where I'm trying to bring my expertise.
• 2:06:32
  Vipul Bindra: I can do more with a smaller crew where I see the market going.
• 2:06:35
  Vipul Bindra: Like, I know to some people who are like single videographers, it may look like, oh, he's like this big company with this big van, he has too much equipment.
• 2:06:43
  Vipul Bindra: I'm like, I'm no, but I'm trying to build the opposite.
• 2:06:46
  Vipul Bindra: It doesn't look like it.
• 2:06:47
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying let's replace that $200,000 uh you know shoot into a $50,000 shoot.
• 2:06:54
  Vipul Bindra: I hope that makes sense because that's where I see the industry going.
• 2:06:57
  Vipul Bindra: Like, how can I do this with 10 people instead of 30 people?
• 2:07:00
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, right?
• 2:07:00
  Vipul Bindra: Being more nimble, being more fast.
• 2:07:02
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm trying to do that.
• 2:07:04
  Vipul Bindra: I'm saying, hey, how can we do something that would have taken, you know, like I said, 30 people, three-ton grip truck, uh, you know, a separate camera department, a separate audio department.
• 2:07:13
  Vipul Bindra: Now let me come in, let me do it with 10 people and my van that has everything, right?
• 2:07:17
  Vipul Bindra: And that's so I'm trying to look where I see the future going, which is like I want to be the most to get you the most out of your money.
• 2:07:24
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, but that doesn't mean you know that helps when I'm doing smaller shoes, then I can be like the premium option like this guy's like so high-end and everything.
• 2:07:33
  Vipul Bindra: But I'm trying to capture the next generation of high-end content, which I think will be uh done at a lower end if that makes sense.
• 2:07:39
  Vipul Bindra: So I'm the high end, sorry, I'm the uh I'm the low end of the high end, if that makes sense, uh, in the future.
• 2:07:46
  Vipul Bindra: That's where I see myself being like, you know, as a safe bet.
• 2:07:49
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and and and I and I see in that ways we can be nimble, we can be fast, we can work with our friends, uh, but and I don't have to have too much approval times, lead times, you know, with like big brands or whatever.
• 2:07:59
  Vipul Bindra: And then we can still assist agencies here and there where they're like, oh, we need this.
• 2:08:03
  Vipul Bindra: Can you support us?
• 2:08:04
  Vipul Bindra: Absolutely, where they handle all the nonsense that comes with, you know, um stuff like that.
• 2:08:10
  Vipul Bindra: You know, some say, okay, and we can just be the production company, we can come in, we can roll with the punches, we can, we can make everything happen.
• 2:08:16
  Vipul Bindra: I want to be that guy where it's like you handle everything, and then we can we can come in, or we can then branch it out.
• 2:08:22
  Vipul Bindra: That's why it was split into four ways.
• 2:08:24
  Vipul Bindra: We just need you to do lighting, we just need you to do camera, or we just need you to do audio.
• 2:08:29
  Vipul Bindra: We can split it into four you know, packages, so it makes it easier.
• 2:08:33
  Vipul Bindra: We can do one or we can do all, and we can be nimble and fast and a lower cost compared to your high-end option, right?
• 2:08:40
  Vipul Bindra: And do it almost as close, if not the same.
• 2:08:43
  Vipul Bindra: Or you know, I hope that makes sense.
• 2:08:44
  Vipul Bindra: So, so for somebody like Sam, the low option for somebody on the really high options is really how you look at it, and at least that's where I see myself going.
• 2:08:52
  Vipul Bindra: But who knows?
• 2:08:53
  Vipul Bindra: Industry's changing so fast it's hard to keep up.
• 2:08:56
  Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:08:58
  Vipul Bindra: Awesome.
• 2:08:58
  Vipul Bindra: Well, thank you, Logan.
• 2:08:59
  Vipul Bindra: This has been a great conversation.
• 2:09:01
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, before we go, please tell everyone where they can find you, maybe your company, and follow you or find more about you know, get getting hiring you for a wedding.
• 2:09:09
  Vipul Bindra: Okay.
• 2:09:10
  Logan Walker: Yeah, if you want to follow us on Instagram, it's at Silver Civet Pictures.
• 2:09:14
  Logan Walker: That's S-I-L-V-E-R-C-I-V-E-T Pictures.
• 2:09:18
  Logan Walker: Um, also my personal is Logan Walker, but without the A and Logan, because it was already taken.
• 2:09:24
  Logan Walker: And I can't get it.
• 2:09:25
  Vipul Bindra: Another Logan Walker, wow.
• 2:09:26
  Logan Walker: So it's like Logan Walker.
• 2:09:28
  Logan Walker: Wow.
• 2:09:29
  Logan Walker: Yeah.
• 2:09:29
  Vipul Bindra: I mean, hey.
• 2:09:30
  Vipul Bindra: Awesome.
• 2:09:31
  Vipul Bindra: Well, thank you.
• 2:09:32
  Vipul Bindra: Uh, yeah, if you guys are interested in learning more about vetting videography or um, you know, reels or just in general, just reach out to Logan and I'm sure he'd be helpful to assist you.
• 2:09:42
  Vipul Bindra: But thank you, Logan, for coming.
• 2:09:43
  Vipul Bindra: This was a fun conversation.
• 2:09:44
  Vipul Bindra: I had awesome.
• 2:09:45
  Vipul Bindra: Had a great time.
• 2:09:46
  Vipul Bindra: Thank you, Mario, for again helping us produce this thing, switch this thing.
• 2:09:49
  Vipul Bindra: Oh, thank you.
• 2:09:49
  Vipul Bindra: And uh, we will see you next time.
• 2:09:53
  Vipul Bindra: Thank you.
• 2:09:53
  Vipul Bindra: Bye.