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How 'Q' is the Trojan Horse of LGBTQ w/ James Lindsay · Man in America Podcast

• 0:00
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So perhaps you're like me in the way that you feel something is just off about this country. It's everywhere you look. But one area that you can certainly see it is if you look into the schools and you look into the youth, you look at the ideologies that have taken over our youth.
• 0:20
  You look at the ideologies of most of the teachers that are teaching our youth. And specifically, as it comes down to gender and gender identity, you look at the the rates of kids identifying as LGBTQ. You look at the White House and their massive push for this stuff, and you have to wonder what's the driving thing behind it. Obviously, there's some sort of class warfare going on. It seems like they're trying to make us angry.
• 0:43
  Anybody who's not really, you know, not really against it, but maybe not full, you know, you know, all for it. So you're putting up pride flags in your profile on Facebook. They're trying to divide us into people who are either for or against. Right? These are, you know, communist tactics.
• 0:55
  And so joining us today is James Lindsay, an author, speaker. He's starring in an upcoming documentary, which we're talking about called Beneath Sheep's Clothing. But we're gonna be dissecting this social engineering. What's behind it? What is the end goal?
• 1:10
  It's gonna be a fascinating interview where we're gonna be touching upon a lot of different subjects to try to put together a picture of what is really, really going on here. What's the end goal? And is it working, or is it failing? So folks, please enjoy the interview with James Lindsay. Mister James Lindsay, it is an honor to have you on the show.
• 1:28
  Thank you for being here with us today.
• 1:31
  Speaker 2: Hey. Yeah. It's my pleasure.
• 1:33
  Seth Holehouse: So one phenomenon I think that we've seen in United States, probably more acutely in the past five years and specifically under the Biden administration, which we've seen evidence with the the push for LGBTQ within the White House and even highlighting the guests and everything like that, is that we're seeing this wave of, you know, whether it's homosexuality or transgenderism or with the the LGBTQ plus alphabet sweeping our nation, but specifically the schools. We've now got I think it's the in NFL, there's now a gay football league that's been announced. I mean, we're seeing it in every area, and especially with it being pride month. Right? You're seeing it all over the place even more so.
• 2:17
  And while it seems like it's maybe some sort of reaction to oppression or it's a a freedom of, you know, rights being celebrated similar to the anti war movement in the sixties, once you dig down, you realize that the drivers behind it aren't just natural social phenomena. There's actually a very concrete agenda that's pushing it. And this is something that I think that is absolutely your expertise is understanding the agenda, what's happening, what's behind it, what it's doing. And so we're talking about a few things, but you have a recent book that will be hitting on a movie that's also coming out soon, which is also tied to it. So just kinda handing it to you, when you look at this movement that's happening in America, is it natural?
• 3:06
  Is it, you know, the the rate of children now identifying as LGBTQ? You know, is that is that just a social phenomena? What are you seeing happening behind all this?
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No. It's not natural. It's certainly not natural. This is something that is being done to us.
• 3:22
  It is not something that is merely happening. It has what we might call emergent properties. It's kinda like once you put the pressure on the population, certain things will start to happen naturally. Mostly, once you align the incentive structures in a particular way, people will go on their own in those directions. And some of those incentives are kind of very just basic corruption, and some of them are, you know, more of the almost Chinese brainwashing style, where you have to fit into your social group in order to be able to continue to have a fully, you know, a fully full absolutely fulfilling life, you know, to be able to participate fully in society, I guess, is what I was really trying to say.
• 4:01
  But let's I mean, let's unpack a bunch of things in that right away before we get into the kind of meat of this. First of all, for example, last year, I predicted that last year would be kind of the last real Pride Month, and I think that that's actually true. It is Pride Month technically now. It's also Juneteenth, apparently, on the day that we happen to be recording, which means when you put these two things together, nobody knew either one of these things was really happening. I mean, we kinda got, like, a sense at Pride Month, but compare it to the last two or three years.
• 4:28
  It's, like, really muted, and I think that it's because they overplayed their hand over the last two years in particular with the lead up to Pride last year being kind of inaugurated by this transgender shooter at a Christian school in Nashville. And, of course, that manifesto has now leaked, and there's a lot of drama. It looks like people are gonna get in a lot of, like, maybe legal trouble because the desperation to cover up that thing that that manifesto is has been so high. But but I digress. I think that we're actually watching the death throes of Pride Month.
• 5:03
  Like, it's going to kind of carry on in this weird zombie fashion, but I think it's mostly over. But let's talk about the the alphabet acronym LGBTQIA plus hot dog emoji, whatever you want. This is actually fake. Let's be real controversial right up front. LGBTQ is fake.
• 5:22
  What do I mean by that? L, those are lesbians. Those are people. Those are real. G, those are gays.
• 5:28
  Those are people. Those are real. B, those are bisexuals. Those are people. Those are real.
• 5:34
  T, there are actually two Ts, and we don't talk about the two Ts because the woke don't like one of the Ts, and they're conflated into one. There's transsexual, and there is transgender. And they're not exactly the same thing. Transsexual are people who, for whatever set of reasons, usually confessed mental health disorders, found that the best way to deal with their concerns, their issues, their fetishes, whatever it might be, is to attempt to live life as the opposite sex. Transgender operates in this realm of gender ideology, which means that it's not about the individual trying to sort out their admitted problems.
• 6:09
  It is now about trying to convince society to make real. The the technical term for this is to reify, to to make fakely real, to reify the idea that one's gender is detached from sex and is completely mutable and up to the a matter of subjective determination about one's inner feelings. So there are two Ts, and one of those are a kind of very a group of people that are in a bad place because they're admittedly extremely strange, and they're upsetting and destabilizing certain ways, but they're also people who are openly admitting that they're coping with think something the best they know how. And then you have this agenda driven transgender movement, which is actually rooted in the q, and q is queer. And queer, it turns out, is not people.
• 6:59
  Queer is politics. The definition of queer in David Halpern's book, Saint Foucault, starts with unlike gay identity, which means it's not like gay identity. And what he what Halpern says, the differences between gay and queer is that gay is rooted in a positive truth, which means it's real, and queer is not rooted in any positive truth or any stable reality. He says there's nothing to which it necessarily refers. He says it's an identity without an essence.
• 7:28
  It is defined in its actual nature as its what does he call it? His positionality. It's a person's positionality. In other words, politics vis a vis the normal, the legitimate, and the dominant. And his definition of queer is it is that which is whatever.
• 7:45
  He says that's in italics, whatever. It is whatever is opposed to the normal, the legitimate, and the dominant. Then he goes on to say that it's not just deviances and perversions and fetishes and all this other stuff. It's not even people who are necessarily marginalized because of their sexual practices, but it's people who are also who feel that they are marginalized. So they can imagine, oh, I have some weird thing.
• 8:11
  I watched something on the internet. I kind of got into it. It's really strange. People would judge me if they found out. Oh, now you're queer.
• 8:18
  And it's you're so now what are you supposed to do? You're supposed to adopt this very radical politics against normalcy and legitimacy itself, which is an acid. You know, we've often heard the the phrase universal acid. It's a universal acid that dissolves anything because the second you say, well, here's the new vanguard. This is what's normal now.
• 8:36
  Here's a new normal. It's normal. And queer is defined as whatever is opposed to the normal. So now you have to oppose the new thing. So it is literally q is literally a doctrine of perpetual revolution.
• 8:48
  So LGB, we're gonna dither on the T and then Q. These are fundamentally different things. So what this actually is is that LGB, and we can argue about T, are shields for Q. Is hiding behind just like when in in the 1950s or late 1940s, I should say, when when the communists took over China under Mao's direction, they made they would round up the peasants in the various villages and in the various counties as they march through provinces to go take something else. Then they would take the villagers as they went along and the peasants, and they would put them in front of the army and make them carry the army's gear so that the nationalists, the Kuomintang forces would have to just there's these stories about them just firing their gun to their hand with them, shooting into a sea of innocent people who are carrying the communist thing.
• 9:41
  Okay. So that sea of innocent people are your LGB and anti kind of in the queue or the communist pushing behind. And they are forcing people to get angry at homosexuality, that they get angry at the idea of gay marriage, to get angry at the idea of gay civil rights inequality, because they're hiding behind those things as human and political shields to push an extraordinarily radical agenda that even if you actually talk to most gay activists, most gay activists don't even agree with the queer agenda. And so that's a complicated enough topic on its own, to merit, you know, 10 shows. But it's very important for people to realize the LGB part of that acronym are human shields, and behind the human shields are radical communists using queer theory, which is a derived Marxist ideology, to try to upset the entire apple cart of society.
• 10:36
  And, of course, what's gonna be the result? Well, they're the only ones who know what's legitimately queer. Right? So here's an example. So we have Ketanji Brown Jackson sitting at the Supreme Court.
• 10:46
  Marsha Blackburn says, can you define woman? Ketanji Brown Jackson says, no, I can't. I am not a biologist, by which she means I'm not an expert, which means we have to defer to an expert. We have to ask an expert to figure out if you're a man or a woman, which is the most basic premise of reality. And the experts in this case are not biologists.
• 11:03
  The experts that are relevant in this case are gender theorists and queer theorists. So what that means is the queer theorists are pushing, like I said, with human shields in front of them to take over cultural institutions, and they set themselves up as the only true arbiters of what is real and what is not down to the level of male and female. Take here's an example. Imagine that Donald Trump got up on a stage tomorrow at an x rally, and he says, Hey, everybody, I'm for the next, you know, whatever few months, I'm going to identify as a woman, and I'm going be the first female president, I'm going to be the first transgender president. You can imagine this, or imagine he had done it when he was in office for five minutes.
• 11:42
  He came out on the on the balcony of the White House. You know, he looks up at the sun. He squints his eyes, and he says, I'm gonna be a woman for the next five minutes. And then after that, that way, I'll have been the first female president, and I'll have been, so, you know, deal with that Hillary Clinton, and then I'll be the first transgender president, so deal with that Michelle Obama. And then I'm just joking, by the way.
• 12:01
  And maybe and then imagine what they would say. He wasn't legitimate. Right? They have the capacity to decide whether it's real or not. And there's actually a a silly piece of evidence, but there's a piece of evidence backing this up.
• 12:16
  There's another guy out here in the world, Zoobie. He's a rapper. He's from well, I know him from The UK. I think he's from a lot of places, but he was from The UK when I met him at least. And Zoobie at one point, he's he's he's a gym rat.
• 12:29
  He's a buff dude. And so he's strong, and he calculated that for his weight category that if he were to do the deadlift at what he can one rep max, then he would have the world record in female deadlifting. So he identified as a woman on camera for three minutes, deadlifted the thing, broke the world record, set it down. Turns out nobody's recognized this about him whatsoever because they have the ability uniquely the cues have the ability to tell who's really sincere to really pull the communist word. The Chinese communist word for it was that you have to express sincerity in your socialism.
• 13:01
  They know who's really sincere and who really isn't, and therefore, what they are doing is setting themselves up as the arbiters of reality for everybody. And like you said, with the schools in particular, all this imagine that you would just now picture all that nightmare for adults, now put it in the six year old, and that's what they're doing in the schools.
• 13:18
  Seth Holehouse: Insane. There's a lot to unpack here. I I wanna pull this up quickly, which is this is only up until until 2022. You know, some, Statista that you're saying seventy seven point two percent of US adults identify as LGBT. Here, if you look at the at Gen Z, they're saying it's, you know, as of 2022, it's around, you know, twenty percent rough you know, roughly one in five.
• 13:39
  I'm sure that if I found the 2023, '20 '20 '4 statistics, it would have been most likely continuing to go up. But I wanna unpack a few things that you've said there because it's helpful for me that in how you present is that LGBT, you know, are people. They're individuals. I know lesbians. I know gay people.
• 13:59
  I don't necessarily know any trans people, you know, that come to mind. I probably have met them. Yeah, they're individuals. Right? And so that but that basically that that queer though becomes the wild card.
• 14:11
  Right? And this is, you know, it's it's 1984. It's holding two opposing ideas. It's being able to bend reality. Right?
• 14:18
  And whereas, say, lesbian is someone you could define as a female that is attracted to the same sex. Right? Okay. It's a woman that is in a in a intimate relationship or has those thoughts or feelings towards another female. Right?
• 14:31
  It's very definable. But that's not where communism and Marxism thrives. It thrives in the indefinable. The where because that way, they can then, you know, make truth malleable. They can seize control of truth, which in my opinion is the ultimate goal of a tyrannical regime is to take control of what what is true.
• 14:50
  I I wanna pull up something here just to read really quickly. This is off of newdiscourses.com. And this is something that was published, you know, around this time last year, Negation of the Real that you had done some pretty powerful speeches. But I wanna just I wanna highlight just this first paragraph a few a few because I think that what this says here is is is an important foundation for understanding why the blurring of genders is so important in the long term goals of a totalitarian system. And I wanna, you know, toss it back to you.
• 15:22
  So it says here, if you want to impose a totalitarian system, you have a problem on your hands. Reality, the real is in your way and will eventually veto your project far sooner. People who can perceive reality will step in and prevent you from taking society over a cliff. Therefore, the only way to install a totalitarian system is to negate the real in the minds of those whom you would rule. This is accomplished by creating an interpretive frame that deliberately causes people to misunderstand reality, sometimes called a second reality or pseudo reality or even a hyper reality, which loses all contact with reality through its images and constructions.
• 16:01
  The totalitarian system works and would only work in that false image of reality. So this is part of your talks of sovereign nations. So this is a really important concept. And when I stumbled across that and and doing some research ahead of the show, was like, gosh, this this is so important. And I think it's easy for us to get stuck in the surface battles, which are important.
• 16:24
  But hey, this book shouldn't be my child's school, or why is there a pride flag hanging up? There's no American flag that it's all important. But this is much more sinister. So how does this how does this chart I'll pull that up again. Folks, have a quick message for you.
• 16:40
  Look, the twenty twenty four election is do or die for the globalist and communists that had infiltrated our country and are currently running it. And they either have to win or they're gonna destroy America so nothing is left either way. And if you're the person that's watching this show and following this information, unfortunately, you have the weight on your shoulders of making sure that your family is prepared especially as we head in to this next year and this next election cycle because unfortunately, I think it's gonna get rough. And one of the ways I know they're going to target us is through our food supply. You can see all the food factories burned down, you can see the warnings of coming famines and food shortages and everything like that.
• 17:17
  And food is one of the number one ways totalitarian regimes have always used to control the populations destroy the food supply. So if you don't have at least two, three, four, five, six months worth of stored food, I highly recommend you take that very seriously. Because look, as I mentioned, if you're the person that's watching this, you're the person that carries the burden of making sure your family is prepared. I would recommend at least six months, if not a year of storable food. So if things go haywire, whether it's grid down or terrorist attack from what's coming across the border, that your family can safely stay in place and you can feed your family.
• 17:52
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• 18:48
  So connect those up for us.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure. So let me talk about the chart first because you it was actually the question you asked the first time, and I kinda just unpacked a bunch of stuff. So is this driven, was the question, or is this just happening? This is a chart indicating that it's driven.
• 19:02
  As a matter of fact, I just read recently that in all the big sexuality, you know, the claim is that trans people have been around forever, Right? They've always been trans people. We're just now discovering them because of these new inclusive policies. But when all the big sexologists, Kinsey, John Money, and so on, were desperately diving into these topics, looking into the idea of gender expression itself very specifically, its relationship to sexuality, these people didn't find any transgender people. They found none.
• 19:32
  Zero. It was actually it would have been to their their benefit to have them, so there's not like they would have been covering it up. So this claim that, you know, something that has basically arisen since then, largely since the 1980s, kind of a sideways turn out of kind of kink and transsexual culture and drag culture, this thing that's kind of arisen is not something that's always been happening and has been covered up by societal structures, or else these researchers who are very sympathetic to, and were in fact actively searching for that kind of thing, would have found evidence matching or at least paralleling numbers like what we see today. So this is absolutely ridiculous. What you see there, though, a lot of times gets chalked up to this concept called social contagion, and we know that there's such a thing as psychological social contagions.
• 20:23
  Psychological social contagions were kind of very first recognized for certain. I mean, they've happened throughout. This really has happened throughout history, whether it's, you know, people believing that, you know, some, you know, omen in the sky, like a comet portends some bad thing, and then they all get sick or whatever based on, like, the nocebo effect or, you know, various things have happened throughout history. This is certainly the case. But the first real that I know of, psychological identification of a social contagion was the the eating disorder called bulimia, which is a body dysmorphic disorder, just like trans is a body dysmorphic disorder.
• 20:59
  Right? Okay. So bulimia virtually didn't exist. And if I have the names right, until Princess Diana came out as bulimic, there were something like four or five known cases. It was an extremely rare way for people to solve the problem of, you know, trying to be in extreme calorie deficit in order to deal with their fat based body dysmorphia.
• 21:22
  Well, all of a sudden, this famous woman comes out, maybe it was dying, maybe it wasn't, comes out and immediately, there are like hundreds of thousands of cases of young women who are now doing the binge and purge routine. All of a sudden, they're in the in the eighties. Boom. Thousands, if not millions of girls have this disease bulimia that barely existed before that. Okay?
• 21:46
  So we know that that happens. Right? You can make it so that there is some pressure, psychological and social pressure, that's very powerful on young women. In particular, they seem to be more susceptible to it than young men for whatever reasons, probably the challenges of female puberty, to be honest with you, and you can press this, which is an extremely toxic social environment for for most young women, you can press this situation and cause kind of just a wildfire, again, emergent contagion. I don't think that that's adequate to explain these numbers for the trans phenomenon or the queer identities phenomenon like that was in that chart and this rapid rise and this rapid generational rise.
• 22:26
  I think there's something more going on. And my studies, again, I harken back to Mao. My studies of how Mao utilized identity politics really shed some light on this for me. And so what Mao's identity politics did was he created good categories of people and bad categories of people. He'd labeled them red and black.
• 22:43
  And everybody had to put their class identity on virtually everything. Your class identity was meant to be visible all the time. Now, I'm not going to get into the full details of how his worked. But the idea was that you had two kinds of good identities, what I call tokens and revolutionaries. The tokens were the laborers and the peasants with their hammers and their sickles.
• 23:02
  The communists don't really care about those people, just like they don't really care about gay people, just like they don't really care about black people, just like they don't really care about immigrants. They don't care about these people. They care about the utility of their political status to achieve power. And so the other group of good people are the revolutionaries. Well, if you're one of the bad categories, you can't become a peasant.
• 23:21
  You're always stained by your class identity because it's believed to be mental and spiritual. So it doesn't matter. You can go have the most peasant y, awful peasant existence in China. But if your grandfather was a landlord, you're still a landlord. Right?
• 23:33
  So there's no getting out of it. So you can't become a token. You get sent to gulag to learn the or labor camp, actually, to learn the value of hard work to the system to let you simulate that as a form of thought reform, but you really can't become one of the token class. You can, however, become a revolutionary. So you're relentlessly pressured about being in the wrong class identity.
• 23:58
  You're a second class citizen. You have different legal structures around you, maybe little or none. You can't get good money. You can't get enough food. You can't get good clothing.
• 24:06
  Your shelter is insecure. You have all these problems if you're in the so called black classes, and you have fewer of those problems if you're in the so called red classes, which mallabeled, by the way, the people and the enemies of the people. So the enemies of the people have a huge pressure to become people, but the only path open to them to become people is to become a revolutionary. So they have to join the revolutionary army. They have to join a revolutionary cadre.
• 24:32
  They have to go through brainwashing to learn how to be a good communist, to wash their brains red. And here, we have the exact same situation in The United States. We have characters like racists and sexists and homophobes and transphobes, all these undesirables, these deplorable identities, and there's a massive amount of social pressure. You're on the wrong side of history. You're this.
• 24:52
  You're that. You could lose your job if you say the wrong thing. You could you know, tons of social pressure. If you're a little kid, you just get treated different. You're boring.
• 24:59
  You're awful. You know, your your ancestors caused all these problems. We know how kids are mean to each other, and they bully each other. We know how this works, and they know how this works. And then you say, well, you can't change your skin color.
• 25:13
  You can't change your sex. But here's all these queer identities that are extraordinarily radical and disruptive to you, to your family, to your faith, to your community, and you can join those. In other words, here are a bunch of revolutionary identities you can dump into. So I don't believe that a social contagion is adequate to explain the rocket ride of numbers we see where the chart, I think, went up to Gen Z with identification with queer identities. And in particular, it says LGBTQ, but we don't know what that actually means.
• 25:42
  It's not actually clear at all. These they don't they they aggregate and disaggregate data according to whatever benefits them the most. And so and then other people that are doing polls just don't know what they're dealing with here to get fine grained about it, to find out if we're dealing with queer activists or actual gay people, which are not the same thing at all. So what we end up finding out then is that I think that there's this incredible manufactured social pressure on top of the regular social contagion effect, because that's who the cool kids are. They may that be who the cool kids are.
• 26:15
  And that's where you come into the second part of your question. That's where the construction of hyperreality is. In reality, men are men, women are women. It's not actually possible. It doesn't matter how many surgeries, it doesn't matter how many hormones, it doesn't have any chemicals, Doesn't matter how much you change the external form of the body.
• 26:33
  You actually cannot change a man into a woman. At the end of the day, I mean, chromosomes are a sex determining mechanism. They are not sex itself, and this is a whole biological thing we don't have to get into. But the fact of the matter is that if we were to do all the most perfect surgeries and hormone treatment on whatever, let's say, it's Caitlyn Jenner, for what lack of a better person, and we were transforming them into every semblance of a woman that you could possibly imagine down to a womb transplant, the whole thing, maybe the surgeries are ten years or twenty years or one hundred years down the line, and they actually work. The fact of the matter is if we pulled Jenner's blood, you're still gonna find x y.
• 27:10
  You can't change every single cell. And if you were to change every single cell of the DNA to sound very much like Sam Harris, you've changed the person. You don't have the same person there anymore. You have a completely different person. Every person has, you know, a unique fingerprint, unique irises, unique retinas, unique gait, apparently, according to the Chinese Communist Party's analysis tools, have unique everything, but they actually have completely, perfectly, unless they're identical twins, unique DNA.
• 27:38
  And they have this perfectly unique DNA down to them and if you change that DNA, they're not the same thing anymore. They're literally a different person. So you the only way you could possibly do that is if you figured out some super, like, Star Trek technology to swap out every piece of DNA for another piece of DNA. You've taken a person who lived to be however long, and you've erased that person and replaced it with a different person. So it still doesn't work.
• 28:03
  So the idea that men can become women or that gender is this. So the the idea that men can become women is false. Okay? It's just false. It's not part of reality.
• 28:12
  But this is fundamental to this queer analysis of sex and gender. Now on the other hand, gender is made up. It is the thing that is imposed upon reality as a hyper real construct. Can you change gender? Yeah.
• 28:27
  Why the hell not? Because it doesn't exist. You can change your gender all you want because gender doesn't actually mean anything. It primarily refers to what we might call tertiary sex characteristics as they inter interlace with personality. They have almost nothing to do with secondary sex characteristics, and they have absolutely nothing to do with primary sex characteristics.
• 28:47
  Gender was introduced primarily by John Money, but preceding him, Robert Stoller and somebody Greenson, Ralph Greenson, introduced the idea of gender identity. And then John Money, the sexologist and zoologist, as it turns out, and psychiatrist no. He wasn't a zoologist. That was Kinsey. Sorry.
• 29:07
  He was a sexologist and psychiatrist at Johns Hopkins. John Money came up with this idea that, well, there's all these people with disorders of sexual development, DSD, which we used to call intersex, which we used to call before that and John Money calls hermaphrotonism. So they're hermaphrodites. They have maybe their chromosomes are mixed up. It happens to about one in five thousand births.
• 29:29
  There are 18 different syndromes in which your chromosomes can be not XY or XX. Okay, so so what? That happens. Or maybe that they have some hormonal influence and their genitals don't form quite right or whatever, and they have ambiguous genitalia, they're of ambiguous sex on first examination. As it turns out, every one of these people can be categorized in one sex or the other.
• 29:50
  It can be very difficult, but they're a very small portion of the population. And John Money said, well, they exist, and it's the same argument that trans people give to this day. They exist. Therefore, whatever it is, how they decide to live their life as a male or female, that's a gender identity, must not be rooted in sex. Therefore, it must be this free floating concept that you can do whatever you want with.
• 30:09
  So gender becomes the tool of hyperreality. Gender doesn't really exist. Gender is defined as one's internal sense of being male or female, as a matter of fact, which they've then said, well, why does it have to be limited to male or female? Which, of course, later on is like, why do they have to be restricted to being human at all? Maybe we can all be like some cyborgs, or we can upload our consciousness and be disembodied, or maybe we can be animals, or I don't know what in the world they're going to come up with next.
• 30:34
  But whatever it is, you can't say they're wrong, because that would be bigotry. This imposes this image of hyperreality. And then when it's hard to get adults to live in the matrix. It's not hard to get kids to grow up believing in fantasies. In fact, it's like a cultural thing that when we let our kids we encourage our kids to believe in things like Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny and these kind of magical characters.
• 30:58
  And then at some point in their late or their I guess, somewhere in the preteen range, usually, we disabuse them as they enter, as they would say, medically, probably around Tanner stage two, we start to disabuse them of their fantasies. Well, Tanner stage two happens to be exactly when the transgender people want to interrupt puberty with puberty blockers because rather than disabusing them of this gender fantasy that they've been fed and sexuality fantasy that they've fed, setting aside that never should be why are we even talking to children about this except to destroy them? It shouldn't be happening. But setting that aside, it's then at the moment when we would they would start to be growing into enough of an adult sense of abstraction to be able to see through these problems and to ask the right questions that penetrate the Santa Claus myth, they're trying to interrupt that vigorously, both psychologically and well, not both, psychologically, socially, and finally, you know, even chemically and surgically. So this is so I was gonna say both socially and medically, but these are egregious violations of what it means to be human.
• 32:10
  And and these are these are crimes against humanity. And I think that this is the greatest, you know, child abuse scandal that's maybe ever been committed. You know, I can't trying to think of like historical examples. And I'm like, well, the Incas, right, like march them to the top of a volcano and cut their heart out and throw their body down, or whatever. Like, that's like, on par with what we're doing here.
• 32:32
  And like, I can't think of any other examples that rival this. So anyways, they create a hyper reality or a pseudo reality or a second reality in which gender is primary and sex is actually maybe secondary and maybe not even really all that relevant to who you are, your gender identity. I actually just read from a lawsuit, and I can't give any details about that, a line where one of the expert witnesses for the woke side of this lawsuit argued explicitly that in this for a court of law, argued explicitly that sex is determined by one's gender identity, which is literally an inversion of reality. So you can see that this is again, I said, you hear all this stuff as an adult, and you think, my gosh, that's confusing. And again, remember the idea now that you're raising a six year old thirty, forty hours a week in this, in this milieu, and what confusion and fantastical beliefs they will accept, which is again, why they target children so vigorously.
• 33:39
  And I'm sorry, I've given such a long answer. But these things really deserve to be unpacked.
• 33:43
  Seth Holehouse: No. They do. They do. Well, it's like, my three year old, she believes that T Rex's live in the woods behind our house. And I'm okay with that.
• 33:53
  Right? At a certain point, we'll have the conversation. She'll understand that T Rex's don't actually live in the woods behind our house, but it makes for interesting story times and and, you know, games outside.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I saw a joke about that on the Internet the other day. Kind of funny. It shows it says, you know, Christian dads or whatever. And it says, it shows the dad talking to the daughter and his daughter says, I think there's a monster in my closet. And the dad's like, no, honey, it's a demon.
• 34:15
  Seth Holehouse: There you go. So there's there's a lot of questions I have, but I also I wanna make sure that I'm I'm understanding some of the key concepts that you're discussing because it's helpful for me. So looking back into some of the the roots of communism and class warfare. Right? You you mentioned Mao specifically in creating the the red class and the black class.
• 34:33
  Right? The black class becomes outcast, etcetera. But the black class also tries to what you said, they they can join the revolutionary. They can become a revolutionary, which is their gateway into the red class, which is the protected class. So when I see obviously, with with within this particular, you know, version of class warfare, which is the LGBTQ plus versus the, the the straight racist and and sexist and, you know, whatever words they're gonna use, which is the the black class that they've created, that you see that okay.
• 35:04
  So obviously, the people that the kids that feel confused, they're identifying as this, they instantly get grandfathered in or they're placed into the most protected version of the red class. Right? They're idolized in our society as being the the brave, and, you know, they have a whole month to celebrate their braveness. But then what you also have, what I'm seeing is the virtue signaling, which from what you said, what I've now understood with this is that the virtue signaling is is it's still class warfare because what's doing is it's taking, say, the straight thirty five year old, neoliberal soccer mom, right, who's obviously, you know, she has kids. She has a husband.
• 35:37
  She's not part of that. But because of her fear of being classified as the black class, she has to publicly state her support of the red class, which is why, you know, I'll go into Facebook. I'll see, you know, friends of mine that I know, they're they're married with kids. They're so outward with their support of Pride Month. It's like they're but now I understand it differently through what you've said those that what they're doing is they're buying their acceptance into the red class.
• 36:05
  They're publicly stating, I'm not part of the black class. I'm part of the red class, which is so what it's doing though is it's extending this class warfare beyond just the the people that actually identify as LGBTQ, which there have all kinds of programs to rapidly increase that. Like, this is one graph I found while talking, you know, while listening to you, Instances of LGBTQ representation in video games. And this is only up from 86 to 2,017. It's like, I wonder if that has anything to do with what kids are thinking.
• 36:34
  Right? You look at the same thing in Disney, etcetera. You can see that this absolutely part of a larger social engineering process. But so that okay. So that was interesting that the realization that the the virtue signaling is a way of grouping yourself with the accepted in the protected class in terms of the the social narrative.
• 36:51
  But then what's also interesting that I pulled from what you said, I want you to expanse of this a little bit, is that it not only creates these greater separation between the red class and the black class, but I feel like that when you look at the Pride Month activities, you look at the painting of the streets, you look at the the the White House with the rainbow flags, and you look at everything that they're doing, it what I'm also gathering is that that's also part of the social engineering and part of the disruption because what they're trying to do is elicit a hatred from within the black class. They're taking the regular guy who say he he's, you know, 40 year old guy with a couple of kids and doesn't really care. You know, he wants to raise his kids right, you know, Christian dad, whatever. And he's, you know, he's not really that bothered by the gay stuff because, you know, it's like, okay, let them do what they're gonna do, and I'm gonna raise my kids. I'm gonna raise them.
• 37:43
  But by shoving it down his throat so much through the school, through the local shopping district, which has, you know, pride flags everywhere, etcetera, it's creating a negative response in that person to want to fight it. Right? So that's also part of it. So is that what you're you're seeing? Are those pretty accurate assessments?
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. These these people are are system dynamic thinkers, and so they're constantly looking for a way to create a system from which they can extract power and opportunity and maybe money. And so in this case, you're absolutely right. There's actually a principle. It was first articulated by Saul Olinsky.
• 38:19
  It's repeated in the updated activist manual everybody should go read, which is called Beautiful Trouble. It's online at beautifultrouble.org. That's one of activist training platforms. And they have a principle. You can see on the screen, there's principles is one of the things that is called your enemies or your targets, I should say, Olinsky labeled it enemies.
• 38:42
  Your target's reaction is your real action. That is actually one of their principles. So they're trying to provoke that response. They're trying to get that reactionary fervor so then they can create this dynamic in which what they're gonna say is, look at all the anti LGBTQ hate we have in our country now. This has always been there.
• 39:00
  It's been hidden. People were trying to play nice, but now it's risen up, and now it's a big deal. And so they are trying to provoke that reaction from which they will extract an excuse or a narrative that furthers their own agendas. And they're very, very, very good at this, and it's very easy to step into the trap. Now as far as the identity politics, I wanna nuance what you showed a little bit because it's a little bit more delicate and evil than that.
• 39:24
  You are absolutely right. You took it correctly from me that the you have so once you create this dynamic between the people and the enemies of the people, the red and the black classes, what you have is people that are within the black class and people who are within the red classes vigorously virtue signaling that they belong in the red classes. There are horrible stories of what people who were designated red class identity in China did to keep their red identity, turning in neighbors, sacrificing their own children, even in some cases to demonstrate their commitment to to Mao and his agendas. So everybody virtue signals. This creates this illusion, like you said, the White House, like the government, they're painting it on the streets of we include you, we include you, we include you, the enemies don't include you.
• 40:04
  Right? So the red class includes the token identities, but the black classes hate them, and they create that reaction to fuel that narrative, which creates a stronger pressure pump to drive people toward the red class and to say that the black class is actually really awful. And so then, though, it's a little bit nastier than this because, again, the token versus revolutionaries distinction is equally important, and that one's not usually laid out clearly in the literature. I think this is my own contribution to understanding this dynamic. The LGB are tokens.
• 40:40
  Like I said, they're the human shields of this project. So when you identify through this pressure, let's say that there's some kid, he's in a Christian family, he's a white boy or white girl or whatever, so now you have this white Christian and black class. There we go. We already know black class, right? So the pressure gets on, and this kid starts to say, well, maybe I can get this pressure off of me, you know, probably in their subconscious, thinking that maybe I'm actually gay or whatever.
• 41:05
  I'm seeing all this stuff. And what they actually see is that if I identify this way, I get treated way better. The president's on my side. There's parades for me. Everything's colors and rainbows.
• 41:15
  I don't know if you know, you know, all the colorful rainbow flags for all the different sexualities, but the one for straight is gray. It's three gray stripes and three different tones of gray. And so, you know, you're having the kids color, which flag might be you? And then who's gonna pick the gray one, right? And so there's all this pressure, and they see, well, if I go there, I'll be fine.
• 41:34
  But if they go over and say, hey, I'm gay, at first they get accepted, but all they've done is ask for admittance into the tokens, not the revolutionaries. And that exact same pressure is there. Let me tell you about a concept that you might not have heard of. You've heard of heteronormativity, which is that it's normal for people to be heterosexual in a sexually dimorphic society with sexual reproduction. Okay.
• 41:55
  Fine. And it is normative also, so there's a social pressure that you should probably try to, you know, act in a way consistent with your heterosexuality. Okay, so fine. There's another concept called homonormativity, and it is not what it sounds like. You can't take the definition of heteronormative and then just slide over and say, Oh, so it means gay people are normal, and they're the default for society.
• 42:18
  That's not what it means. What it means is that gay people are considered normal within society. They're a normal variation of human sexuality, and therefore, there will be no discrimination against them. In other words, equality. Actually, gay equality and acceptance are homonormative.
• 42:33
  That's why a lot of these people are criticized for passing or trying to actually like, peep like who like Pete Buttigieg. We know he's gay. We know his father translated the prison notebooks from Antonio Gramsci and started the cultural revolution or, sorry, the Cultural Marxist floodgates in the nineteen seventies in The United States. But we also know that he was criticized while he was running for president. If you remember way back when when he ran in the Democratic slate for president, he was criticized for wearing a suit and a tie and presenting himself as though he's just any other guy.
• 43:06
  So he wasn't showing up in some flamboyant manner to run for president, and they criticized him writing articles so much as he may sleep with men or be married to a man, but he's not actually gay because he doesn't espouse the radical politics. So the same pressure that's on normal people to become allies, which are virtue signalers in support of the red classes, or to become activists, which is a revolutionary version of that, the same pressure that's put on them is put also on the tokens. It's not enough for you to be gay. You need to be actively queer. You need to be an activist on our behalf.
• 43:41
  So that pressure's there. This is how exquisitely evil this whole program is. So there's a this this is, you know, social engineering is the only possible word that you could you could use to describe something this intentionally malevolent that's meant to drive people into activist positions, even though those activist positions are likely to, in the short to long run, ruin their lives.
• 44:12
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• 45:58
  And this is the first time I've seen this. Right? Google has a warning here saying memes about people, memes about groups of people might be disturbing or hurtful. I've never had Google give me a warning, but I'm curious or just curious what happens if I say like Republican meme. Right?
• 46:17
  I'm curious if Google Google also gives us the warning that we shouldn't have hurtful memes. I mean, and that's just an obvious point. But so when we take a step back from this, right, and you mentioned the social engineers, which I which I is is a concept that I I really enjoy digging into. You know, studying Bernays and Gustaf Le Bon and looking at the, you know, the the people that have understood how to engineer society and and really because I think it's helpful to understand where we're at as a society right now and looking at the control mechanisms behind it. The the bigger picture of this.
• 46:50
  Right? Because it's one thing to say that, okay, that, you know, we can recognize that there this agenda is is a social it's driven by social engineering. And and they're they're brilliant social engineers. Like, they understand human psychology better than almost anybody does. Like, it's it's insane how well they understand these little triggers.
• 47:09
  Same thing with the pandemic to understand that, you know, the you're not gonna do something of your own volition. But if it's because you're acting because you wanna protect your grandma, that's a whole new depth of social engineering and getting people to comply with something. So from the hundred thousand foot view, what is the end goal of this? Because you look back at China, and you can see that, okay, the end goal of the social engineering from Mao and and his orchestrators, his social engineers that worked with him was communist revolution. It was the overthrow of the traditional system.
• 47:44
  It was the overthrow, and it was the the implication of a complete totalitarian system that ended up, you know, taking tens and mill of millions of lives, and it is still, you know, continuing to wreak havoc in the world. If you look at what's happening in modern day China, the Uighurs, the Falun Gong organ harvesting, like, it's it's still there alive and well. So looking at that, you know, drawing, okay, from that and looking at America and seeing that that we're now experiencing the two point o version of that, which is the modern version of the social engineering that's creating class warfare, etcetera. Two questions for you, and these might be easy ones to answer. Who do you see as the main driver?
• 48:24
  What entity do you see is driving and controlling this social engineering in this class warfare? And question two is what is the end goal of that?
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's actually, like, the question. Right? And so we'll just put out the caveat at the beginning. Nobody knows specifically who. Now, if you were to ask me, you know, what's your elevator pitch for who's causing the problem?
• 48:50
  I would say it's the United Nations in conjunction with the Chinese Communist Party. That's it, the UN and the CCP. Virtually everything happening in education is downstream from UNESCO. Everything happening, like, kind of in children's cultural stuff is downstream from UNESCO. The United Nations has been quite explicit, at least for two decades, about a little over two decades, twenty five years, a quarter century, for their agenda to become, in a sense, what they have described in their own words as a global nervous system.
• 49:16
  So the nervous system of a single global organism of humanity in the biosphere, which they, of course, as a central nervous system, will coordinate. And so UNESCO is kind of at, you know, the bottom of a lot of this comprehensive sexuality education was invented at UNESCO, but supporting that, of course, is The United is the World Economic Forum. The World Economic Forum basically takes the UN agenda and drives it practically into the business and political sphere and into what they call the public private partnership sphere, where the public sector and private sector become a single hyphenated sector, public private sector. And this is the model is based off of China, and China's very savvy at this political warfare game. The CCP, I should say, is very savvy at this political warfare game, and has been feeding these narratives in.
• 50:03
  Now, the kind of weird twist is, of course, you know, there's lots of names we could name, but there's one name that hangs over kind of all of these weird things, which is George Soros. As it turns out, George Soros' method, his dialectic, a lot of people don't know that word, but Marx called his program dialectical materialism. Dialectical could really be the I mean, it's more specific than this, but a good quasi synonym, half synonym for it would be transformational. So transformational materialism, you're gonna transform the nature of the material reality to be something different. That was dialectical materialism for Marx.
• 50:37
  Well, Soros explicitly outlines his own form of what he calls, in his words, social alchemy, using what he calls his shoelace dialectic called reflexivity. This is outlined in the book Alchemy of Finance, which is Soros' magnum opus, written and published, I should say, in 1992. And in that book, he actually explains that the CCP was extremely interested in the late eighties in reflexivity, and he spent a lot of time in China before he became one of their mortal enemies. And it turns out that the CCP took the reflexive method in order to advance past this where they were stuck with Marx's dialectical materialism. It allows you effectively to do propaganda based or political warfare based approaches that move the needle of socialism out of the economic sphere but into the kind of economic, cultural, social sphere as a as a blended entity, but mostly the social and cultural spheres.
• 51:36
  And so Soros is behind an enormous amount of this, ironically enough, with slightly different ambitions or reasons, at least, same endpoint, really. That's complicated. Maybe I don't know if we should get into that. Soros wants an open society. The CCP wants a closed society.
• 51:54
  But otherwise, it's the same. That's the short short version of it. So at any rate, what you have is these huge players are trying to manipulate society, create that hyperreality we talked about previously, to create the image that society is going a particular way so that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. That's the reflexive method is the the kind of quintessential example is a bank run. You tell people the bank is gonna fail, so a bunch of people run out, take all their money out, the bank fails.
• 52:22
  It became a self fulfilling prophecy due to lots of people acting on false information. That's the definition of reflexivity. It's got to be based on, as Soros says, the distance between reality and narrative or reality and belief. And so that's a huge dishonest, you know, mark against the program, but it does actually work when people don't understand that it's being done to them. So he's also a huge player in this, but in his own kind of weird way.
• 52:50
  What is the objective? Well, we already said the objective is to transform society. And transforming society also primarily means placing most of the money and most of the power in very few hands. That's the real project of communism is to put most of the money and most of the power in very few hands who are now going to they have a deeper spiritual ambition, which is to shepherd humanity to become the new man, and the new man will be able to do the correct praxis that will transform society into the new society, which is us in kind of to riff from Marx, but not to quote him, it would be us reentering the Garden of Eden on our own terms, which a Marxist in the 60s, I guess he wrote it in the 50s, Herbert Marcuse, the most influential of the Western Marxists, wrote in Eros and Civilization that we kind of know the way to the ideal society, which is to take a second bite from the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil or of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So it's this idea that by awakening ourselves to their the true nature of humanity, which is allegedly socialist, we can enter into our own Garden of Eden on our own terms without the, you know, awful demiurge demon god controlling us and keeping us in ignorance as slaves, but also out of the toil and suffering of the world, which for the Christians watching, you'll recognize that, oh, crap.
• 54:11
  It's the Gnostic heresies from the first century all over again.
• 54:16
  Seth Holehouse: Which really goes back, and I think it was, the fiddler by Marx. With Satan, I have struck my deal. You know, it it goes straight back to this battle of good and evil. So Mhmm. One final question to close-up this discussion, and then I wanna talk about your upcoming documentary movie Yeah.
• 54:34
  Beneath the sheep's clothing beneath the sheep's clothing. So you mentioned before that, you know, Pride Month this year is a lot less of fanfare as it was before. Like, almost like they they overplayed their hand. They overdid it. So, you know, going back into, especially looking at Eastern philosophy, the yin and the yang, you know, the they have the balance.
• 54:53
  Right? That when something reaches an extreme, it actually pulls back. Right? And that's what keeps things in balance. It's, you know, you know, the the law of opposites, etcetera, everyone look at it.
• 55:01
  So when you look at where we are right now, you know, they've pushed they've pushed they've pushed this agenda in in hopes of doing something to our society and achieving some some end goal. But do you think that this overall agenda, this this push for social engineering, will it fall do you see it following that trend line where maybe in ten years, two thirds of all, you know, young people are now LGBTQ? Or do you think that we're actually seeing a point where it's peaked, and now we're seeing this pushback that that that their agenda is starting to collapse as more people are rejecting it?
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's I think it has peaked. I think, actually, we're seeing a major split between young men and young women. Young men are not having this anymore. Young women are still increasingly having it.
• 55:49
  So we have this greater divide yet again between important populations of people, You know, young people entering the beginning of their marriage and childbearing ages are gonna be very much at odds. I talked to a guy recently who was pretty convincing to me that he finds all this to be very optimistic, because if the boys are getting their heads on straight, the girls will eventually follow. It won't go the other way. And so he's pretty optimistic. I think it's peaked, but what I wanna point out a couple of two things I wanna point out.
• 56:19
  One is that the way that this works is through what sympathies can be generated with the public. Okay? So previously, we could have sympathy generated for the young person who was disowned by their parents because of their sexuality or something about them, right? And this was a kind of a heart wrenching story. I think a lot of people who are, you know, in their 30s and 40s were raised on this story as this boogeyman of the angry Christian conservative dad who's going to no gay son of mine or whatever and kick him out of the house.
• 56:54
  And so they virtue signal their inclusion to show that they're not this evil character from their past that traumatized them psychologically, because we have this reservoir of public sympathy. And what's happened is with the overplaying of the hand is actually draining the reservoir of public sympathy. We the goodwill of the people is no longer with pride. Even if you were kind of against it, you were like, well, at least it's people, like, advocating for themselves and getting out and having energy. And it was like a day, and it was a week, and now it's like a freaking month.
• 57:22
  And it's like it started to be too much of an ask, so the sympathies aren't there. Another example, not to really get into the details of it, is these people that these activists that are blocking traffic to make a point or throwing paint or soup monuments or whatever. We had one today in the news that somebody sprayed down Stonehenge, and everybody says this doesn't help their cause. Well, it gets them a lot of attention, which is part of helping their cause in a different way. But no, people, you can see the reservoir of public sympathy.
• 57:48
  This is not the best example, but it's one that comes to mind. You remember that story where the activist blocked traffic on a highway in Panama, and this retired lawyer gets out tells them to move, they don't move. So he shoots two of them. And did the world say, Oh, my God, a murderer?
• 58:02
  Seth Holehouse: No, he was a They
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: were like, FAFO, right? Like, we've had enough. So the public sympathy arc is gone. But that's actually it turns out I thought it was a bad example. It's a really good example.
• 58:13
  Because the other thing I want to say is that the powers that be the evil does not care how it consolidates power and money to itself in very few hands. So what will happen is, you've mentioned the yin and the yang, as it goes up and it comes back down, you know, the the the feminine energy, let's call it that, why not? The the yin has maximized in its hit its zenith, and then the seed of its, you know, destruction, the little white dot in the in the taijutsu shows up, and now it's going to wane. And what's going to happen is Yang, this angry, masculine energy is going to arise and smash all of these idols and bash things and take you can damn well bet that that desire for catharsis is going to get exploited by these demons who want power. And so when they can't get it, just to put it in different terms that I think are stark for people, if they can't get the power they want out of the left, they're gonna get it out of the right.
• 59:07
  And that's the historically, rise of every fascist movement you ever saw, which happened to be funded by the same people who funded the communists, which means there's some game being played by the ultra elite, ultra powerful, cough, cough, royal families, cough, cough, of of Europe that is trying to push this dynamic not toward a free society or the cause of liberty, which they hate, and a middle thriving middle class, which they resent and loathe, but rather instead to tidal waves of communism and fascism fighting back and forth as reaction and re counter reaction back and forth to drive society into the breaking point. And I think that what we have to be very cautious of now is this desire for catharsis is high. When I see that guy shoot two people, and we're like, hell, yeah, about time, you know, that's not a human response. That is a cathartic response. I'm frustrated that these people are acting this way.
• 1:00:10
  I'm frustrated that they're in the road. So, yeah, hit them with your car. That that's gonna get clipped out of context. But you know what I'm saying? That desire is actually a gigantic liability.
• 1:00:22
  We'd have no idea our danger that when this thing, this this woke movement, when the entities pushing it as hard as they are pushing it, realize that it has peaked, that public sympathy is tipped the other way, and that frustration they're dragging it out to raise the frustration because the more frustration, the more need for catharsis. When that catharsis comes, it's going to be like a dam breaking. Everybody knows that and the water is going to flow vigorously. And these guys are going to be like with giant pumps making the water flow even faster because they want this thing to be the worst possible flood. It doesn't matter if it comes from left or right.
• 1:00:59
  All they need to do is destroy things like the Constitution. They need to destroy the Charter of Rights in Canada. They need to destroy these things that secure our liberties so that they can take power. And if it's the opposite ideology for seven years, or six years, or whatever it is, so that they can get the power, then they can switch it back to whatever they actually want. What's six or seven years?
• 1:01:20
  Who cares? And so that's I mean, once they have the consolidated power, they could, for example, let's just put it in stark other terms, Nazis and commies. The commies could have a plan to let the Nazis run everything, destroy all of the institutions. And then once they have enough power, all they're gonna do is purge all the Nazis. They have no problem purging everybody that they've already used in the past.
• 1:01:41
  All these poor queer theory kids, damaged goods, they're not useful to destabilizers. Mao got rid of them after the destabilization phases in every, every wave of his his activity from the 1940s, all the way through till 1976, when he died. So you can expect it doesn't matter, my point is that it doesn't matter how they get power. So they're going to capitalize on this desire for catharsis to push people over the edge, so that they can justify whether it's a, you know, martial law reaction, whether it's a completely delegitimize one political side or, you know, whatever it is, or just take power from the right wing. It doesn't really matter.
• 1:02:19
  That will be the next agenda. So people have to figure out how to channel their desire for when you have this catharsis, it's the desire to see your enemies punished, But what you actually really, really want isn't to see your enemies punished. You might want that. But what you really want is things to go back to normal and for there to be conditions that secure the fact that things aren't gonna go off the rails again. So you have to channel that energy into the right thing, as they would say in the Marxist literature going against that because they want revolutionary spirit.
• 1:02:50
  They want you to be this way. The what we have to do is sublimate that desire for catharsis to a higher level of understanding, and that sublimated understanding is that we're using this to regain the good society and preserve it.
• 1:03:04
  Seth Holehouse: Which is a really, really important point. It's this we can have a whole show just on this, is just the importance of staying calm. You know, because whether it's say you know, you mentioned the guy that I remember seeing that, you know, in South America, he shot the, you know, the the protester and all the cheering. Well, imagine what happens if a public figure that the right absolutely despises is assassinated. Right?
• 1:03:28
  I know you've you've probably seen the there's a video you keep seeing it pop up again of a guy that throws a pie in Bill Gates' face. Right? He has a queen pie. He's hiding behind a pillar and gets him. Like, if that if that happened on a larger scale, that could tip-off, like, really, really, really bad things.
• 1:03:42
  So I think that as much as I say a lot of people that are more, you know, on the right or, you know, however you wanna categorize that, see what's happening to our country, and they hate it, and they're frustrated. They know communism is around the corner. We have to be so careful because we could so easily play into their hand. Because whenever and this is how I try to live my life. It's like whenever we're emotionally off base, we can be manipulated and become a tool of the devil.
• 1:04:08
  It doesn't matter whether it's a good emotion or a bad emotion or it's excitement or it's fear. All those things take us away from our center, and they can lead to destruction. So that's an important lesson.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: That's why the kids are saying that the what you try to strive to be is based real and stoic. So you're based in your principles. You're real, you're not living in hyper reality, and you're stoic, you're not having your emotions thrown around all over the place. But that also includes your desire for revenge, or catharsis, or whatever else, you've got to tame that passion as well. If we read back to the ancient Greeks, you know, the passion you have to choose.
• 1:04:46
  Is your rational mind or your passionate mind dominating? In other words, in Christian languages, logos or pathos, the one that's dominating your I guess that's Greek language too, but this was very clear. You know, John is about Christianity being a religion of logos, which means it's an exclusion of pathos. And if then just as a kind of interesting kind of sidebar, I read Alexander Dugan's essay, Fascism, Borderless and Red. And he actually says in there that fascism is, in fact, an expression of the pathos.
• 1:05:15
  This desire for reaction against the provocations of communism and the degeneracy that comes with it is a eruption of pathos. Well, if we are going to be a people with a flourishing society, we need to be people of logos, which means we've got to be based real and stoic.
• 1:05:33
  Seth Holehouse: That's a good meme. As we finish up, tell us about beneath sheep's clothing. I know I've had Julie Belling on before, who's brilliant. You're involved with this. This is a documentary, important documentary coming out mid July.
• 1:05:48
  What do we need to know about this?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this so I had the privilege, I just now went to Detroit for Charlie Kirk's Turning Point Action People's Conference. That was, you know, 8,000 some odd, 9,000 some odd people showed up in Detroit, Michigan, as they were saying, at the scene of the crime where the where the actual vote tallies in Michigan went weird in the twenty twenty election in that building, also around the corner of the building where Ronald Reagan was nominated for president. So it turns out it's a very interesting historical building right there in Downtown Detroit on the water, and I was there, and I had this weird experience where people were coming up to me. This thing has only been screened a couple of times for a couple of audiences. But luckily, it was a turning point adjacent audiences.
• 1:06:35
  So all these people end up coming up to me at this conference. And they're like, you're the beneath sheep's clothing guy. And I'm like, of all the things I can be recognized for, being recognized for something that's not out yet is kind of neat. But so there's buzz about this thing happening. And everybody was like, it's the best movie I've ever seen about these subjects yet.
• 1:06:55
  It tells more of the story. It makes it so clear. I'm gonna make everybody I know watch it or get everybody I know to watch it. We're gonna show it at our church. The enthusiasm and I had I mean, if it was one person, I would have been like, yeah, yeah, that's cool.
• 1:07:08
  It was like six. I'm like, what? There weren't that many people at the showing. I wasn't even at the showing. It turns out I was I was in Europe at the time and missed it.
• 1:07:16
  That's when I went to yell at the United Nations in Geneva itself for the rally there. So the movie, since other people say, I'll say that, I mean, I'm featured rather prominently in the film. But the film is meant to convey the idea that communism, it's not that it's coming, it's already here. And here's how it works in churches. And here's how that worked in The Soviet Union by comparison.
• 1:07:40
  And here's how that might work in China by comparison, and here's what the agenda is with a global religion that turns out to be some watered down, goofy version of communism that they call sustainability and inclusion. It's still a goal is to make the sustainable and inclusive man, the new man who's gonna usher in the new sustainable and inclusive society that's, like, a kind of a utopia at a global scale. It's the exact same ambition. It's just kinda got new branding. It's, you know, a new wrapper on the same old turd.
• 1:08:09
  And so it does that, but then it does it with the schools in particular, with a very deep dive in terms of how critical pedagogy, as it's called, where it developed and why it is Maoist brainwashing that's used to bring these global citizenship, sustainable inclusion, DEI, values as a value system, as a religious as a kind of a state global state religion set of values to the kids. So what you get then, like we were talking about earlier about how with Mao, he had this overthrow, which is correct. In 1949, his civil war succeeded, he overthrew China. In this case, what you almost have is an underthrow of society. What's happening is all the young people in there are for now generations filtering up into the institutions are underthrowing our society to a different value system.
• 1:08:59
  It's not this, you know, kind of military overthrow. It's this kind of grassroots feeling. Most of it's astroturfed, feeling like it's bubbling up from the bottom, transformation of society. And if you hear what these devils say, they say things like that, well, the youth are the ones who are gonna take us where we need to go. The youth have the right values.
• 1:09:18
  The youth are already changing. But they also say very explicitly that their their goal is to to get the youth to put the pressure on the rest of society. I mean, they openly say that. They say that the youth are being brought up in these values and will demand them. They will demand them from their customers.
• 1:09:37
  They will demand them from their employers. They'll demand them from their supply chains. And so it's like this weird underthrow of society. And I think that the movie, Beneath Sheep's Clothing, does a better job of articulating the big picture of what's happening with enough detail to connect to people, to really get that message out and really, hopefully impact a lot of folks.
• 1:09:58
  Seth Holehouse: Which is such an important message. So the website beneathsheep'sclothing.movie comes out mid July. You can preorder it on the website. You can donate, watch a trailer, you know, merch, etcetera. I'll make sure that that is in the description below.
• 1:10:15
  Also, what I'll do is as soon as we finish the interview, I'm just gonna go ahead and play the trailer of it. So I'll make sure that once once interview concludes, it's gonna kick right into the trailer so people can watch the trailer. I it's such an important message. I'm gonna just read this really quickly. It's really important.
• 1:10:29
  It's on the web page. It says, this is not fiction. This is a wake up call to the American people. Every to everyone with children in schools, to Christians, and to anyone who cares about freedom. So important film.
• 1:10:42
  James Lindsay, it's been fantastic speaking with you. I feel like we could do 10 more shows on 10 different topics and still not run out of, source material. So thank you for what you're doing. Thank you for being an important voice, out there. And I look forward to having you on again.
• 1:10:56
  So take care, man. Thanks.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I look forward to that. Thank you. I'll just say, you know, with Yes. Since you're about to show the trailer, I think what you're gonna notice is that the trailer is pretty action packed.
• 1:11:05
  It's not this kind of boring talking head documentary. Of course, there's lots of talking heads. But this will there's a lot of movement. There's a lot of excitement in this film. We really tried to ratchet up how engaging and interesting and exciting it is.
• 1:11:18
  Well, I say we, the filmmaker and the producers did. I'm I'm just the talent. But we tried to get it to to to really have that vibe. So when what you see in the trailer is indicative of what you're gonna see in the film. It's action packed.
• 1:11:31
  It's fast moving. There's a lot there, and it's really eye opening. So I hope, you know, it resonates. And if we get the chance to talk again anytime, let me know. It'd be great.
• 1:11:39
  It's a great conversation.
• 1:11:40
  Seth Holehouse: Absolutely. Alright. Well, thank you, and let's go ahead and roll the trailer.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing about communism. When it comes knocking at your door, it doesn't say, hi. I'm here to impoverish, enslave, and murder you. It says, I'm here to liberate you from oppression. I thought of myself as a happy kid.
• 1:12:00
  I had no idea that I was being brainwashed. So the KGB agents would go into the church and then rise up.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: That's right. All of them is infiltrated. This was a rape of the body of Christ. You take over the colleges of education, then you take over all the teachers, then you take over all the students, and thus you get the future. He said the ultimate objective of having government school was to destroy Christianity.
• 1:12:36
  Those were his words. People's war means to destroy the opposing country through unconventional methods, and Khrushchev bragged about it. We'll take America without firing a shot. In other words, Marxism Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of American students without being challenged. The result, The result you can see.
• 1:13:28
  There are ravening wolves in sheep's clothing all over the place.
• 1:13:39
  Seth Holehouse: Folks, I hope you enjoyed that interview. I've actually got something really exciting for you. So I'm a big fan of art, and I'm a big fan of people that stand up against the man, against the deep state, the cabal, whatever you wanna call them. And as you probably know, the entire movie and entertainment industry has been completely hijacked by a communist, you could even say satanic agenda. And so it's been very difficult to get non communist and satanic, information, especially movies and music, etcetera, that are actually promoting good traditional values, into the mainstream.
• 1:14:14
  You remember seeing, Sound of Freedom. It was such a big deal that was playing in theaters across the nation. So there's actually a really, really exciting film called The Relentless Patriot that is now, literally, right now in movie theaters today. You can go see it tonight if you wanted to. So this is the here's the Fandango listing, literally.
• 1:14:33
  This is did nine zero two one o as a you can see, the the this Patriot, you can see it's in it's in playing in movies. This is an incredible, incredible movie that highlights the life of Scott Labeto as an artist that has been completely outcast from the artistic community, but he is standing strong, and what he stands for is absolutely incredible. So I'm gonna go ahead and just play the trailer for it. It's a really, really inspiring trailer. I think you're gonna enjoy it.
• 1:15:02
  But remember, this is out in theaters right now. So watch this trailer. Go check out your local movie theater listings. Find it playing. Go see it.
• 1:15:10
  Bring your friends. Bring families. It's one of the few movies that we can actually bring people to that will leave thinking, gosh, I should care more about this country, or gosh, I'm thankful I live in such an amazing country. It's also the way that we should be supporting other Patriot artists by going to see these films in theaters, because if enough people go see it in the theater, they'll keep it in the theater longer. It helps with the box office sales.
• 1:15:34
  It helps bring more money back into the movie studios that are daring enough to stand up against this entire system. So, folks, here's the trailer for the relentless patriot.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: 11 old girl shot in the face because of woke, criminal law and district attorneys. Come on, brother. This is a street performance.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: Seems like all the artist activists are on the left. Except Scott LaVato. I do not conform to the elitist isms of the art clubs, and they have left me like a redheaded stepchild. This is my medium in which I shall create, and this is my canvas, the front of the Brooklyn Museum. The first most important thing in school or anyone else is the pledge of allegiance.
• 1:16:21
  This is not an pro war protest. This has to do with the increasing level of anti Americanism. Michelle, lock them up. They don't keep the criminals in jail. They're keep you in jail.
• 1:16:35
  This line is to show respect and honor to those who died, got shot in the fucking head protecting us. You try to take that fucking blue line down. I'll paint it till the day I die. When the towers came down,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: there was absolutely no doubt that that feeling. It was gonna change my life, and it did.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: When somebody's complaining, it's so cold out. You know, the the traffic. And here I am drinking with one of these guys who's got one arm. He's got a hook for another arm, and he's drinking a fucking beer, having a laugh with me. And he's not bitching about nothing.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 7: I present to you the recipient of this year's VFW Americanism Award, missus Scott Lovato.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: That's it. I wanna paint a flag on a rooftop in every state near a military base. As a veteran, we all fought for the flag in World War two. And today, we wanna see it flying. They will never as long as I am alive, they will never take the American flag down.
• 1:17:40
  You wanna burn one? Then I will find out where you work, and I will find a building across the street and paint a flag 50 by a hundred so you have to see it every fucking day.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 8: The pro Trump sign on the front wall of the Staten Island home was burned to the ground.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: The heat I get is astronomical. If everybody liked me, I'd be doing something wrong. My mother's advice, whatever you do with your life, as long as you believe it in your heart and always take care of those less fortunate. My father's advice was, some take shit,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: but no one. Is about control. Are terrible. We must unite. We must take a stand.
• 1:18:30
  Are you ready?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: God didn't give me a gun and a bayonet. He gave me paint and brush, and I will fight to the fucking death for this country.
• 1:18:45
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• 1:19:56
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