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The Artistic Influences of Mark Maddox · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 3: To your stations, we have a movie meltdown.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 1: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from Wonderfest.
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  Speaker 7: Once again, we continue our coverage from one of our
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  Speaker 7: It is a bonus that we live in the birthplace
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  Speaker 7: of this wonderful convention. So, as we ease in with
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  Speaker 7: our viewings, Misty, guess what I watched recently?
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  Speaker 1: What did you watch? And I didn't even mean to.
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  Speaker 7: I was puzzled that it was even being made, but
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  Speaker 7: then I was in the middle of, big surprise, editing
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  Speaker 7: the show, and I looked up and I was like, wait,
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  Speaker 7: is that coming on now? And then before I knew it,
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  Speaker 7: I'd mostly watched the new Dirty Dancing.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, you watched that. That's right, I remember you telling
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  Speaker 6: me about that as you were watching.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I text you in the middle and go, do
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  Speaker 1: you have a TV? Have you seen this thing?
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  Speaker 6: I don't think we watched TV when we were halfway
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  Speaker 6: across the country.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, again, I don't have issues with, remakes if
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  Speaker 7: they do something with it.
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  Speaker 1: This was at least interesting.
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  Speaker 7: I figured I would tell you because you're the person
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  Speaker 7: I know that actually cares about Dirty Dancing.
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  Speaker 6: I love Patrick Swayze in Dirty Dancing. I love the
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  Speaker 6: original movie. I carried a watermelon.
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  Speaker 2: That's in there.
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  Speaker 1: Don't worry. Watermelon's there. You're safe.
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  Speaker 6: Did they recast the watermelon?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's the same watermelon.
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  Speaker 2: I hate to tell you.
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  Speaker 6: It's at least like the ancestor of the watermelon.
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  Speaker 1: It's a cantaloupe. She's juggling cantaloupes.
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  Speaker 6: Are you sucking with me?
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  Speaker 8: You'll just have to watch and see.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, that's to me if there's a short.
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  Speaker 7: Coming if there's a problem it's the that is not
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  Speaker 7: Patrick Swayze like.
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  Speaker 6: You nobody is Patrick that's what I'm.
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  Speaker 7: Saying you got like Johnny is got to at least
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  Speaker 7: be kind of charismatic you know it's like even Patrick
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  Speaker 7: Swayze like his character doesn't have a ton of time
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  Speaker 7: to do anything useful in that movie so he's got
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  Speaker 7: to win you over being Patrick Swayze like he just
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  Speaker 7: had charisma and was a cool dude and was kind
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  Speaker 7: of handsome.
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  Speaker 6: Kind of my ass. He was gorgeous.
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  Speaker 7: This dude is kind of weird looking and is not really, like,
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  Speaker 7: he just seems awkward. And, like, he actually seems like
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  Speaker 7: the kind of guy who probably would be in one
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  Speaker 7: of these ridiculous scenarios.
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  Speaker 1: Back in the day.
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  Speaker 7: But he just, yeah, that was probably my biggest issue.
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  Speaker 1: And it's still, he does a watchable job. It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: But he's no Patrick Swayze. Which is, like, going to
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  Speaker 1: the other end there. What was her name?
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  Speaker 6: Abigail Breslin.
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  Speaker 1: Abigail Breslin, right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: She's a baby.
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  Speaker 1: Looks different than last time I saw her. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to be weird and mention it because it seems.
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  Speaker 7: Uncool, but I was in the middle of it Googling
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  Speaker 7: pictures from Final Girl and this, and I'm like, that
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  Speaker 7: has not been that long.
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  Speaker 5: What?
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  Speaker 7: Something?
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand. So she looks slightly different. But regardless,
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  Speaker 1: she pulls that off. Her performance is fantastic. Pretty good.
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  Speaker 7: And, like, for as much as I'm a sucker for
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  Speaker 7: old school Jennifer Grey, she is pretty damn lovable in that,
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  Speaker 7: except to Patrick Swayze, if you listen to the stories.
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  Speaker 8: But as a character, baby, yeah, they were not thrilled
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  Speaker 8: with each other.
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  Speaker 1: Mostly him.
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  Speaker 7: He just thought she was juvenile and unprofessional. And, like,
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  Speaker 7: she kind of was because she hadn't done that much.
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  Speaker 7: But anyway, like, again, on screen, baby's pretty likable, and
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  Speaker 7: you at least get suckered in.
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  Speaker 1: And Abigail steps up on that. Like, I think she
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  Speaker 1: does a good job with it.
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  Speaker 7: It expands it in ways. First of all, I didn't
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  Speaker 7: expect it to start off in the 70s.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I'm like, I can only imagine because did
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  Speaker 7: they not make a stage show, a big musical production
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  Speaker 7: out of Dirty Dancing?
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  Speaker 6: They make stage shows out of everything.
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  Speaker 7: I know, they do everything with movies and then turn
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  Speaker 7: it into a dumb stage show production musical bullshit. So
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  Speaker 7: I'm assuming that's what happened here. And this is, so
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  Speaker 7: that's why I was like, it's harder to be angry
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  Speaker 7: at it because it's not a straight up remake of
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  Speaker 7: the movie. It's, I'm assuming a remake type of thing
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  Speaker 7: of the stage production because it starts off in like
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  Speaker 7: modern day, but modern day is the seventies.
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  Speaker 1: And she's going to see the musical of dirty dancing.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 1: In New York city.
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 7: And then it all is based on this thing that
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  Speaker 7: actually happened to her and Patrick Swayze dude. back in
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  Speaker 7: the original time of which the first movie was made.
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  Speaker 7: So the whole thing is like in.
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  Speaker 1: A weird flashback from the late 70s or something. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 8: It's really weird.
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  Speaker 7: And again, the most ridiculous and offensive thing that takes
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  Speaker 7: place in this entire.
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  Speaker 1: Movie is the bad CG at the beginning.
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  Speaker 7: Because through the rest of it, you know, your dancing,
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  Speaker 7: your musical numbers, that's all fine if that's what you're into.
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  Speaker 7: But you cannot forgive... How awkward it looks when they're
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  Speaker 7: walking on a street and it's very obviously in front
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  Speaker 7: of a green screen. I'm like, you really couldn't take
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  Speaker 7: these people to any street in New York City. Like
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  Speaker 7: all you have to do, it's them standing on a
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  Speaker 7: random street. You could just find one that doesn't show
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  Speaker 7: modern things. All you have to have is a building
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  Speaker 7: in the background. and then put a poster of the movie.
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  Speaker 2: That's all it is.
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  Speaker 7: It's like a couple of, like, 60-second shot of them
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  Speaker 7: standing out in front of a theater with the poster
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  Speaker 7: of Dirty Dancing, the musical, going on inside the theater.
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  Speaker 1: That's all you had to do.
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  Speaker 7: And yet, I guess they couldn't find a place to
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  Speaker 7: shoot that or something? They couldn't find a way to
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  Speaker 7: put that poster in someone else's poster frame on the wall?
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, so instead they green-screened it,
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  Speaker 1: and it looks horrendous.
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  Speaker 3: Like, it looks.
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  Speaker 2: You.
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  Speaker 7: Remember in the late 90s when they started doing a
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  Speaker 7: lot of CG and they didn't know how to do
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  Speaker 7: it yet?
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  Speaker 6: The Rock and what was the.
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  Speaker 8: Scorpion King.
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  Speaker 1: Scorpion King.
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  Speaker 7: It's your basic episode of Xena level of CG. Remember
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  Speaker 7: when Hercules and Xena were doing a lot of CG
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  Speaker 7: special effects and they didn't really know how to undo
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  Speaker 7: them or have the budget?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the level of which.
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  Speaker 7: These random people walking down a semi-modernized street, that's what they.
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  Speaker 1: Decided to CG in this. That was the part I
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  Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: What is this?
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  Speaker 1: This is nonsense. And then they flash back to it
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  Speaker 1: at the end, and it's just as bad. I don't understand.
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  Speaker 2: That's the part that made no sense to me.
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  Speaker 6: Other than that, the rest of it's.
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  Speaker 1: Sort of fine.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's a much expanded story.
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  Speaker 7: So really, if you like the story, it gives you
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  Speaker 7: way more insight into her dad. He's not just kind
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  Speaker 7: of a jerk. It gives you a little more backstory
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  Speaker 7: on him. He is kind of a jerk to his wife,
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  Speaker 7: and then you get this big backstory on the mom
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  Speaker 7: that I don't think we had anything like that.
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  Speaker 6: Is there a backstory on Penny?
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  Speaker 2: Is she the sister?
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  Speaker 6: I thought Penny was the dancer.
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  Speaker 1: The knocked up one?
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  Speaker 6: Is her name not Penny?
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  Speaker 3: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 7: I do know the knocked up girl in this new
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  Speaker 7: production is my dear friend.
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  Speaker 1: It's played by Nicole Scherzinger. Oh, it is?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Surprisingly, because that's not the way I expected casting to
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  Speaker 7: go on her, but.
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  Speaker 8: She does a great job. And once again, has a
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  Speaker 8: much bigger role.
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  Speaker 1: You get a little more insight into her, you.
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  Speaker 7: Know, not just being the knocked up girl. Like she
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  Speaker 7: does sort of have a little bigger story as it
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  Speaker 7: opens up. So yeah, at one point I actually kind
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  Speaker 7: of knew her. I do not think she would acknowledge
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  Speaker 7: me to this day. So when I refer to her
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  Speaker 7: as my friend.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she would ever acknowledge that she knew
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  Speaker 1: me or remember. But yeah, she was, she was mixed
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  Speaker 1: in there and, Again.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure cast her because there is a now expanded
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  Speaker 7: dance number between her and Baby.
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  Speaker 8: Which, again, they both do a great job. That's what
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  Speaker 8: she does at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Who played the sister? Girl from Modern Family. Sarah Hyland.
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  Speaker 6: She is so pretty, but she looks like she's 12.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: She doesn't seem like the older sister in this scenario.
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  Speaker 6: She looks like she would be like the younger sister.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much.
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  Speaker 7: But, I mean, once again, expanded story. We get a
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  Speaker 7: weird little side story with her.
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  Speaker 6: She has Disney cartoon girl eyes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she has giant, giant round eyes.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, she's beautiful, but she looks like a cartoon character.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and does still read. Like, again, that would almost
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  Speaker 7: hurt her. Even in that family, on Modern Family, the
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  Speaker 7: middle daughter now looks much older than what is supposed
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  Speaker 7: to be the older. Yeah, she looks way older than
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  Speaker 7: what is supposed to be the oldest daughter in the scenario.
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  Speaker 7: So yeah, that might be working against her in casting.
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  Speaker 7: But in the long run, if she continues to look
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  Speaker 7: way younger than her age, it'll help her out in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 7: So more power to her.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, everybody gets... a weird expanded story. It's very strange.
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  Speaker 6: Is there more background story on Johnny Castle?
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  Speaker 3: A little.
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  Speaker 7: Like you understand why he's there, I guess, and how
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  Speaker 7: he got himself into trouble.
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  Speaker 8: Why he's the troubled youth that he is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine.
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  Speaker 6: He's still no Patrick Swayze.
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  Speaker 1: That's my, again, that's the main issue.
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  Speaker 7: He's not Patrick Swayze and it's a weird flashback story
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  Speaker 7: that has bad CG.
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  Speaker 8: That's all that I took away by the end. But overall,
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  Speaker 8: if you like that story.
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  Speaker 6: Did it have the same soundtrack?
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  Speaker 7: They redid it, but in like an interesting way. Like
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  Speaker 7: they took a lot of the, because again, that's a
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  Speaker 7: weird soundtrack because it's taking old like 60s music and
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  Speaker 7: mixing it with what was current 80s artist and re-recording
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  Speaker 7: new songs for that.
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  Speaker 6: So it's, Is there any version of She's Like the Wind?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 8: That's what I was going to say.
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  Speaker 7: You don't get a ton of the old, old 60s music,
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  Speaker 7: but it took a lot of those current 80s things
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  Speaker 7: that were all singles and hits at the time, and
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  Speaker 7: now it's redone. So you can kind of hear them
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  Speaker 7: in the background that have been re-recorded. I think She's
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  Speaker 7: Like the Wind is.
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  Speaker 1: A duo now.
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  Speaker 7: I think I even recognized who did it.
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  Speaker 8: Not Patrick Swayze?
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  Speaker 1: I guess it was hard to get him at this point.
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  Speaker 1: But it's interesting. If you like that movie.
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  Speaker 7: I figured you'd be the only person I could talk
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  Speaker 7: to because most people.
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  Speaker 6: I love Dirty Dancing, but then again, I love Patrick Swayze.
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  Speaker 6: There is like.
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  Speaker 2: That'll do it.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he made the movie for me. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: everybody else was okay. Cynthia Rhodes, was she the, she
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  Speaker 6: was the knocked up chick.
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  Speaker 1: I think she was a knocked up chick on that one.
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  Speaker 6: Well, apparently I don't think her name was Penny in
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  Speaker 6: the movie.
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  Speaker 1: There's no Jerry Orbach, but he's hard to get these
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  Speaker 1: days too.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, he is.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, the other dad does a fine job, I suppose.
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  Speaker 1: It's watchable, so.
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  Speaker 8: Go seek it out.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure it's on the network feed off their website.
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  Speaker 1: So if you care, go look for it. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: nobody cares.
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  Speaker 3: Probably not.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't even watch it, and I love Dirty Dancing.
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  Speaker 6: I could see.
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  Speaker 7: You watching it and probably yelling at the screen a
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  Speaker 7: lot or something. So it'd be worth doing when you're
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  Speaker 7: sitting there.
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  Speaker 6: Did he tell the waiter boy to go put his
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  Speaker 6: pickle on somebody else's plate?
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  Speaker 2: Possibly.
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  Speaker 1: That guy's a jerk, too. They cast him right. He's
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  Speaker 1: from something else. Oh, I think he's from.
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  Speaker 2: Good luck, Charlie.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't watch.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: I've watched that. I've watched most episodes of that.
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  Speaker 2: I need help.
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  Speaker 7: But that guy is a jackass in this. So good
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  Speaker 7: casting on their part because you do not like that dude.
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  Speaker 1: You're not supposed to.
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  Speaker 6: He's a dick.
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  Speaker 1: He is. So anyway, there's that.
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  Speaker 7: Now let's get away from this dirty dancing nonsense and
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  Speaker 7: go talk to this week's guest.
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  Speaker 6: Hell yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Mr.
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  Speaker 7: Mark Maddox, who is a fantastic artist. And as usual,
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  Speaker 7: I like... Again, this is a me thing. I don't
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  Speaker 7: know that other people would take an audio medium and
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  Speaker 7: bring a visual artist on. But from the beginning, I've
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  Speaker 7: started doing that. I was like, I'm interested. See, everyone
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  Speaker 7: loves that idea.
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  Speaker 6: That's a great... See, yeah, they like it.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was funny.
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  Speaker 7: I'm always interested in art in general, but especially when
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  Speaker 7: it gets.
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  Speaker 1: attached to the movie geek.
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  Speaker 7: Thing or random pop culture stuff so i always like
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  Speaker 7: talking to these guys that that have kind of leaned
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  Speaker 7: heavily into the to geek art so you know i
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  Speaker 7: i thought that was reason to get into this week's
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  Speaker 7: segment so let's go talk to mark right now it's.
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  Speaker 2: Time for another installment of the art of being a
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  Speaker 2: movie geek.
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  Speaker 7: I always like to start really early on and figure
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  Speaker 7: out just where you came from and kind of how
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  Speaker 7: you ended up where you are now. So it was
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  Speaker 7: Florida and then I guess is Florida again? Is that
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  Speaker 7: where you started?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it was, I mean, my dad was
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  Speaker 3: Air Force. So I was born in Tyndall Air Force
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  Speaker 3: Base near Panama City, Florida. And then we moved to
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  Speaker 3: Germany and South Dakota and Maryland and North Carolina. And
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  Speaker 3: then when my parents retired, we moved back to Florida,
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  Speaker 3: but to Tallahassee. So I lived there for many years.
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  Speaker 3: And then after that, ended up moving for a while
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  Speaker 3: up into Georgia, which got me close to Atlanta, which
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  Speaker 3: was a lot of fun. I met a lot of geeks,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of cool people up there.
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  Speaker 1: Different world today, too.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Tallahassee just doesn't have that kind of a...
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  Speaker 3: a streak running through it. And with Atlanta, they're, they're
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  Speaker 3: proud of it. So that was very cool. So that helped. And, um,
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  Speaker 3: so yeah, I mean, that's where that, that's my traveling around.
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  Speaker 7: Do you, and I, I say this because we, we
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  Speaker 7: actually have one of the semi rotating regulars on our.
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  Speaker 1: Show, grew up as a, as a military kid.
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  Speaker 7: And he's like, he's, he said, it's funny because it,
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  Speaker 7: he watched like a documentary that came out a few
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  Speaker 7: years ago. And he said that everybody kind of breaks
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  Speaker 7: down into two categories of like.
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  Speaker 1: Super, or super introverted. Yeah. It's rare that you fall
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  Speaker 1: in between.
• 15:01
  Speaker 7: And he was like, was going through watching this thing going, wow,
• 15:04
  Speaker 7: I hit like every mark on here.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
• 15:06
  Speaker 7: Do you think that had something to do with you
• 15:08
  Speaker 7: kind of latching on to the interest that you have?
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting question. I think that my family was
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: a pop culture family. My mom loved old Hollywood movies.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: And she was the kind of mom that wouldn't throw
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: out your comic books or throw out your monster magazines.
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: Even if she.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Extra cool.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: Even if she accidentally found out later that one or
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: two of the Monster magazines had nudity in them, it
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: was like... That's why you bought it. That still cost...
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: That still cost so much. No, I mean, she would like...
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: She accidentally bought me one one time, and it was like...
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Or actually, my aunt did. And she was like, I'm
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: not throwing that magazine out. That costs 50 whole cents,
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: which at the time was a lot. And... But, you know,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: she was pretty cool about it. You know, she.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: I think because when she was a little girl, one
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: of the first movies she remembers standing in line for
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: was Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: And so for her, the universal stuff was acceptable and
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: all that. There was a couple of times that she
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: realized she had kind of over, or allowed me to
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: go see something that maybe I shouldn't have seen, like
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Quatermass in the Pit, which where the guy melts and
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, and I just lost my mind.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was just, But I was only five
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: years old watching a Hammer film on the big screen.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: I didn't know what I was getting into, and neither
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: did she.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: That was me in Raiders. I don't think I was
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: prepared for that as young as I was.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, years later, it was like in Indiana Jones' Last
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Crusade when Julian Glover drinks from the wrong cup of Christ.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: It's not the right one. But he had melted in
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Quatermass in the pit, and I had my... my date
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: and she had brought her mother and they're both looking
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: at the screen. I said, Julian Glover doing it again, melting, melting,
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: scaring the hell out of people. But what, you know,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: what a great actor. But so the thing is, is that, um,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: my parents were pretty cool about it. They didn't have
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: a problem with it, but I had an older brother
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: who was sort of a mentor. Mike, he was a
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: mentor on, uh, things about like famous monsters of film land. And, uh,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: you know, he told me all about who Boris Karloff
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: was and Bela Lugosi. And, And he was all into
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. And then later he got very,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: very heavily, like before I'd ever met any other Star
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Trek fans, he became a huge Star Trek fan. Disconnected
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: from everybody else. You know how there's that huge fan
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: base that started in the early 70s? He was cut
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: off from all that, but it was almost like he
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: was his own fan club. He built his own phasers, communicators, tricorders.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: Captain, the intruder has been attempting to communicate. Our previous
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: transmission mode was too primitive to be received. I'm now
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: programming our computer to transmit lingua code at their frequency and.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Rate of speed. It's intermission time. Time to visit our
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: concession stand.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: Hot chocolate with a magical flavor you won't be able
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: to resist at our refreshment stand now.
• 18:05
  Speaker 9: He's a lycanthrope.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: What's that? A man who imagines himself to be a wolf.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: This is no imaginary wolfman. It's Lon Chaney Jr. as
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: the real thing.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: There's a curse upon me.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: I change into a wolf. I know a man who
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: has the power to help you.
• 18:26
  Speaker 9: Frankenstein?
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Don't mention that name around this town.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Dr.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Frankenstein left a diary.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: In it are his records of the secrets of life
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: and death.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: My father was a great scientist.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: But all he created brought unhappiness.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Unhappiness and a legendary monster. Lon Chaney Jr.
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: And Bela Lugosi battle for the heavyweight championship of horror
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: when Frankenstein meets the Wolfman.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: The tax man comes around He'll.
• 18:59
  Speaker 9: Take everything.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: So, you guys know we're broke, right?
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: We're always broke.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: And yet we're trying to put this show together.
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: Now how the hell can we keep the show rolling
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: if we're broke and we.
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: Can't do this? Sell special fiddle fowl.
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Or instead, murder people. Are you just taking random money
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: out of their pockets?
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: Hopefully it won't come to that if some people will
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: get on board with this.
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: Get on board with what?
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: The new Movie Meltdown Patreon page. And what is this?
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: If you go there, you can sponsor the show itself. Basically,
• 19:55
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• 19:58
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• 19:59
  Speaker 6: Do you get a special decoder ring?
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: We already sent those out, but those people... I didn't
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: get a decoder ring. You're not part of the club.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: I'm never part of the club.
• 20:09
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• 20:11
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• 20:15
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• 20:18
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• 20:19
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• 20:19
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• 20:25
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• 20:27
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• 20:31
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• 20:33
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• 20:37
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• 20:38
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• 20:40
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• 20:42
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• 20:45
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• 20:47
  Speaker 7: Really?
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's a step below.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 20:50
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• 20:51
  Speaker 6: Aluminium level.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: That's way below.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Not if you say it fancy.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:57
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• 20:59
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• 21:18
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• 21:22
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• 21:23
  Speaker 6: Priorities.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Look, there comes one of them now. My name is
• 21:44
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• 21:45
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• 21:48
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• 22:00
  Speaker 3: It's part of your problem, you know. You haven't seen
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: enough movies. All of life's riddles are answered in the movies.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: And now, on with the show. Spot.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Fifteen seconds.
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  Speaker 3: Spot. Transmit now.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Ten seconds.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Transmitting. Well, my brother, he was kind of a mentor
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: on this stuff, and then with Star Trek, it was
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: the same thing. He had He would do so many
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: creative things. He had a little bit of drawing talent,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: but he was more of what I would call an
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: artisan or something. He could build things and make stuff,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: but he really went psychopathic for Star Trek and was
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: like audio cassette recording from the TV. every episode, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: then editing them down so they'd fit on a 45-minute
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: side of a cassette.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: That's pretty impressive to me, when it was still running.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't during the original run. It was when
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: it was set, yeah, and he had a whole suitcase
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: full of Star Trek audio cassettes. But, you know, that's
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: what we had. You didn't have videotape.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say, I remember doing that too.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: I finally saw people that had 16mm prints of films,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: but those were like $ 200 a piece. So anyway, you know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: but a little bit of mentoring from that, and then
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: I kind of wanted some of the stuff that he had,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: like issues of Famous Monsters and everything. And then I
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: got into comics in the early 70s, and Jack Kirby
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: was like my hero, you know. I mean, it was just...
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, I probably owe my career to Jack Kirby.
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: Initially, were you just reading them, or you were already
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: kind of drawn to art and then started reading comics?
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Well, what happened is I was trying... You know, we
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: had moved... a little town in Cumberland, Maryland. We had
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: moved there because we weren't staying on the base. My
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: dad had gone to Vietnam. So it was kind of
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: like we were in a house with mom and five
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: kids and cut off from everything because she didn't even drive.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Her sister would come pick her, take her to get
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: groceries and come back home and all that. And so
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: I was really bored. And I didn't like school at all.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: But a buddy of mine next door started collecting baseball cards.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: And I... We thought they were kind of cool and
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: colorful and it was something to do. So I went
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: out and started buying them and picking them up. And
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: then I said, well, this is pretty cool. I had
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: quite a huge stack of the things. And I said, well,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: now it's time for me to actually watch a baseball game.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: It's a different mode. The collectability part of it is
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: different than that.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: The pretty pictures and the design and all that stuff.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: And I watched the game and I just was like, oh,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: my God. And sports is baseball is for some people. Football, whatever.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: None of that stuff is for me. And I was like, wow,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: this is unbelievably boring to me. Now, that doesn't mean
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind going to a nice baseball game, like
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: go to Atlanta and eat a hot dog and watch
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: a game. I would probably do that nowadays. It's an experience.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: You're outside. But back then, get out and.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: But.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: But then a few months later, the same kid who
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: had the baseball card collection kind of stopped with that,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: and his dad had brought him, like, a huge box
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: of comics. That was, like, that, like, lit a fire. Yeah.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: And then my brother started buying comics. He was, like,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: working as a caddy at the golf course, and he'd
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: come home with money and, like, an asshole. He'd, like,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: so there we go. He'd throw the money in the
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: air and just, like, take it back up. But we would, like,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: walk up to this– it wasn't a commuter, a little–
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: grocery store called Van Meters. And we went in there
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: and he'd come out with like 20 comic books. And
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: it was like the old reprints. A lot of it
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: was reprints of Jack Kirby stuff, Monster Comics, Classics Illustrated,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: which they were reissuing at the time. And stuff like,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: do you remember Strange Adventures with Adam Strange? And all
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. And they'd have like, there was
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: one that I saw the original, finally the original cover,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: but it was a reprint and it had a giant wing,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: King Kong sized wing. gorilla with wings and it was ripping,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: it had ripped up a building and it was flying
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: with a building, you know, in its hands. All sounds good. Yeah,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: it was really cool stuff and so I ate that
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: stuff up and that was kind of the thing that
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: set me. So for a few years I was drawing
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: or looking at the stuff I was even like reading
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: them out and turning them into audio adventures, like doing
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: my own like radio shows.
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: Again, you see the different facets of with the weird
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: geeky interest we all have.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Cause I was kind of doing that stuff too.
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, when you've got the tools
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: around to kind of, but I remember one specifically, this
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: one Jack Kirby science fiction store didn't really have a monster,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: but I read it out and I was playing a
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Rachmaninoff album in the background too. And it was like
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: a perfect mood for this science fiction story. And I,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: and I did things like that. And then, um, Then
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I moved to North Carolina and all of a sudden
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: a buddy of mine did like a stick figure one
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: day on a piece of paper. And then he goes,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: now you put the meat on it. And he started
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: to draw the muscles around the stick figure. And I
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: was like, oh my God, he actually like drew something.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: I saw how he did it. And then all of
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: a sudden I looked at Jack Kirby and I started
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: to see. This great artist leaves a real easy trail
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: behind him on how to sort of draw the way
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: he draws.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: He's decoding it already.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, decoding. I'm looking at what that kid did, and
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: then I started looking at art books, and then I
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: started redrawing a lot of comic book stuff, and my
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: parents were thrilled. My dad was like, wow, this is great,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: because he was like... It's constructive. He was like, yeah,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: even though he was doing well in the Air Force,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, he was extremely poor in the in oklahoma
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: back like this during the dust bowl days he had
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: had to like work in the oil fields he had
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: his own apartment when he was 13 years old so
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: he was like one of my kids has something unique
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: and he really nurtured it he was the one that
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: got me to go to art school after i got
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: out of uh out of high school and everything and
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: so you know it was it was it was things
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: coming from all sides but then also for the first
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: few years i just drew from comics And then I
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: found myself drawing from the real people, or drawing from
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: photographs of people, was The Making of Star Trek by
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Stephen E. Whitfield, or pictures from Star Trek, and also
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Planet of the Apes, which was still real big at
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: the time, and just different things. So that was the beginnings.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I still have a lot of those sketchbooks someplace. So anyway,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: that's the beginnings.
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: I guess at what point do you start heading down
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: down that road where this is, because you say your
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: dad's nurturing you, so when you start going, am I
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: going to do something with this?
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Is it like high.
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: School at that point, you're doing it so heavily that
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: you're like, I guess this is where I'm going? Or
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: is it still thinking, I guess I gotta get a
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: real job, and then.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I think what it was, that's a really good question,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: it really was always that fight with the belief that
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: maybe that wasn't real work, which is really a horrible
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: thing to do to somebody.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I think most... kids coming into that.
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: And even now when it can be a business and
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: we have all these schools that are marketing to that,
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: I think it's still kind of looked down upon by
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: a lot of people.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Well, my art teacher who was from the Chicago Art Institute,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: his name was Ledbetter, he was, and this was at
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: a little tiny Votek school. I mean, I paid like
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: $ 120 every so many months to be in this class
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: with this really pretty expert guy. And he told me
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: this story. He says, Grandpa came by. We were at
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: the farm And I decided I was going to go
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: off to art school, and the grandpa walked in on
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: the farm and wanted him to stay to work the farm.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: And he goes, I always figured you'd find some way
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: not to have to actually. work. And he looked at
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: his grandpa and said, why don't you kiss my ass, granddad?
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: And I think that you have to do that to
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: people sometimes. Some people, people will redirect you, whether it's
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: intentional or on purpose, they will try to redirect it.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you have to break free of people that are going.
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: To Sometimes it is like a weird jealousy thing because,
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: you know, I didn't get to go do anything I
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: wanted to do. I got stuck working the farm. So, like, because, yeah,
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: it is a weird, like, generational, like.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: No, that's nothing against people that like to, that work
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: the farm. I mean, farmers, I mean, I have a
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: ton of respect for them. But when somebody is, like,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: a great opera singer and you go, no, you got
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: to go work at the boating license office or something
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Which a lot of people are doing, that kind of thing.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: But you need to... understand that some people say um
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: i'm just gonna draw it's a hobby i got it
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: you know hey good for you in a way you
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: have no you have no constriction or no nobody wrapped
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: around you or any expectations when you're doing it so
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: in that way it's kind of a good thing.
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah i mean i think there are people that that
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: is all they want it to be like they really
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: and are good i've seen i worked with a guy.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: That would sit there and just do these elaborate.
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: Things i don't think he ever did anything with it
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: but like he was better than most people i knew
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: and was just like I don't think it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Ever even occurred to him.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: It's just what he did kind of on the side,
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: and it was just an interest, but it was an
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: interest like, again, probably watching baseball or any other things.
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: Some people just don't latch onto it and make it
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: their life, I guess.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: And then the ones that bother me are the ones
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: that are they afraid to do it. And I think
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: there was some fear on my part, too. I remember
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: one time I thought I was going to join the
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Air Force, and then I didn't. And I've had more...
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I've had jobs in the printing industry, I mean, just
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: within the film aspects of it and all that kind
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: of stuff. But then my bosses would, like, see part
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: of my portfolio and bring it in just for fun.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: And it's like, you need to be working. And then
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, you're working, building a
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: new thing called webpages. I did that for, and I
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: enjoyed that for a while. Those will never catch on.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Back when it was new, when it was brand new,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: I was doing that stuff a long time ago. And
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: then there was a guy who had gotten a job
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: in the building as a, as the department, what do
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: you call it? The marketing guy. And he knew I did,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I had some abilities and he goes, come on, I'm
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: making you the art director for the company. This was
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: a pretty big company. And I'm like, I mean, I
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: was dragged almost kicking and screaming, but I got in
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: there and I said, Hey, this is, this is pretty good.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: But I always did things off on the side for
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: my fun, fantastical science fiction, horror, sexy, whatever you want
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: to call it. The movie based, or invented in my
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: own head. And, uh, so after a while I started
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: to feel like, um, yeah, you're not going any other place.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, whether you're, you're doing this kind of work,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: at least it's art. There's a lot of art in it.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I did a lot of illustration too, which was nice
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: for those people saying, I have to go find somebody
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: that wasn't just a designer. Although I did a lot
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: of design and then I worked with them for a
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: long time. That was good. I went to another company,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: and work with them. And then in 2008, when the
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: housing bubble burst and things collapsed, that really hurt me bad.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was really a punch to the stomach.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: And that was kind of when I had already started
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: kind of in the evening sending stuff out to people. And,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: you know, but I was still trying to look for
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: a day job that was good. But, I mean, a
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: lot of the places that normally would have paid you
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: a very good living wage for a person who had
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: to take care of a spouse and children and And
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. I mean, I could do
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: it at that point, but it became very tough. But
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: the more I started doing it, I'm like, no, this
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: really is what you're supposed to do. This is what
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to do all the time. And especially in
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: the last... I'd say the last four years or so.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: It really started about a decade ago or 12 years ago,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: but really in the last four years it's like I'm
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: not accepting anything else.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: This is what I do now.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: And especially with things like winning the Rondo and having
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: people that you admire, whether it's TV or movie directors
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: wanting your artwork or on the cover or having somebody
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: call you from another country and say, you know, will
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: you do this huge art job we've got and, you know, That's, I.
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: Mean, that is one of the things kind of at
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: the beginning there where you were talking that made me
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: want to put this specific segment together because I've, again,
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: I've always just been kind of drawn to film and
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: TV and pop culture in general, but it's like to
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: me there's some, and at the same time art, like
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: I love.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: You know, what most people would consider traditional or fine
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: art or whatever.
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: And I remember like putting together art shows with people
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: and working with artists and like you'd see where that
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: divide would hit.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Like you would have ones that could just do a figure.
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: Study and like do and then you've got somebody over
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: here doing a box cereal like they're just they're drawn
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: to a different pop culture thing and then there were
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: ones that were just drawing the like the stuff the
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: movies and stuff that they loved and like it's always
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: like that's kind of why I keep coming back to
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: this this running thing is just like to talk with
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: people and figure out What it is that.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Leads them down that path. That, like, you're not painting
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: flowers in a vase. Like, you decided, I want to
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: do monsters. I want to do, like, it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Everybody kind of, I think, has those passions.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: It's their muse.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: But it's weird when you, yeah, when you latch on
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to one thing versus the other.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I've known guys that, you know, there's
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: certain things that drive up where they're thinking about it
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: all the time. Like, for me, it was science fiction.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: And television shows that I really loved. I remember being
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: a little kid, this is back before I really in
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: any way, shape, or form pursued it, but being only
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: five years old and drawing the sea view from Voyage
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: to the bottom of the sea, or being seven or
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: eight years old and I had seen Mysterious Island for
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: the first time, the Harryhausen film, and that incredible scene
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: with the giant crab. on the beach, I think it's
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: still like, might be his finest moment just for me
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: in my, in, for me. And I, but I do
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: the guys out with stick figures. And then I drew this,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: this very rudimentary crab, you know, an hour after it was,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't want the film to end or I wanted
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: to have a magazine with pictures or something to sort of,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I wanted to keep it going. And so I think
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: that's part of it too.
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: That definitely was back then because I've had that discussion
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: so many times with even kids growing up into the
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: 70s and 80s before all of that kicked in. We've
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: talked about it on the show before, the Star Wars thing.
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: That's why we bought all the cards and toys because
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: we couldn't have a copy of it those early years.
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: I think even going back into the 60s and 50s,
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: it's even more so that because there was not even
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: that much merchandise then.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: So you kind of had to rely on– There's.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: More merchandise from stuff from the 60s. I remember, and
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: it's been a while still, but I remember walking into
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Toys R Us, and there was a Jim West doll
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: about 15 years ago, a real bad-looking one. It looked
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: like a Barbie doll.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, what the hell? I mean, it was like, yeah.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe I would have loved it when I
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: was a little kid, but it was like, I mean,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: you get a couple of things. You get a couple of,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe a handful of things from different shows
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: or different movies. You know, there wasn't a Mysterious Island
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: play set out there, you know, that I ever remember.
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: But I think that's what, I guess because you fell
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: into that category, it does make me, again, I'm always
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: kind of questioning what we're looking at in the future.
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: For kids that are growing up now that have access
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: to everything, do you think it's going to cap that
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: kind of inspiration off?
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm watching some of them around.
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: Me now, and I'm like, maybe it'll just be channeled
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: into something else.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know. That's a weird question. What was it
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: that happened the other day with my son? He's 13
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: years old, and I was going to put on a film.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: I was going to put on a movie, and I
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: just thought how their life has none of that. Looking
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: through the TV guide, hoping that the CBS late movie
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: is going to run something really great.
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: Well, there's no wanting of anything. Like, there's not like,
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: I wish they'd show that again. It's just like, by
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: the time you think it, you can already bring it
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: up on the computer.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Or if you're like, you know, I really want a
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: nice copy of that. And the first thing you do
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: is you type in Amazon and you look to see
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: if there's a Blu-ray of it yet. Have they restored
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: this thing yet?
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Is it perfect? Even the rare stuff. I mean, even
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: stuff that... I mean, I watch... especially the first two
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: seasons of classic Star Trek on Blu-ray all the time
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: just because I can. And the James Bond box set.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've got box sets of The Six Million
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Dollar Man, The Man From U.N.C.L.E., The Invaders, UFO, all
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: the Jerry Anderson stuff, The Prisoner, The Avengers, the Steve
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: and Peele Avengers, and stuff like, well, also the other
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Avengers too. What the hell? Yeah, I got it all.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Anything that begins with the letter A. And it's really cool.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: But I think somebody was talking about this. It was
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: an article or what. The anticipation of what's going to
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: be on next Saturday. Something's going to be on. And
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: then you go and you grab the old classic TV guy,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: the little booklet, and you immediately go to Friday night.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: And then you go if you lived in a town
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: that had a Saturday show, which, you know, I remember
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: the Saturday noon and Saturday night show. Yeah. And you
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: immediately zoom to those at first to see what the
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: jewels and the crowns are going to be that weekend.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: It's like some week there's a film you've never heard of,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Island of Terror, that you then watch and watch people
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: getting their bones sucked out of their bodies and you
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: like get sick. Or then all of a sudden it's like, oh,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: my God, here's Time Machine.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Which, you know, I mean, just a great, great movie.
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: I mean, my go to is like for the kid
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: thing is always like the Saturday morning thing.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that doesn't really exist for kids now.
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: Granted, you have entire networks that are playing cartoons, so
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: they don't have a lack of cartoons.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: But to me, they don't play Johnny Quest, and they
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: don't play the Herculoids, which actually Johnny Quest started as
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: a night show, but they ran it on Saturdays for years.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: That's the way I first saw it. When I moved
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: back from Europe, I had never seen color television, or
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: if I had, I was way too little to remember it,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: and came back on a Friday evening after never having
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: seen it, and within that weekend, I saw All the
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Saturday morning shows, which included the Fantastic Four, Hanna-Barbera Fantastic Four,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: and the Spider-Man show. So much stuff. And then the
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: last one near the end of the day at noon,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: or the cartoon time at noon, was this thing called
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Johnny Quest. I said, well, there's still more cool stuff
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: coming through the pipe. What do these Americans have? I'm
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: an American, but what have these kids been doing? What
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: are they doing over here? And so I sort of
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: got to Johnny Quest, and I said, I was like,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: I'm actually about the best one. And then after that
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: was reruns of Astro Boy, and they had the King
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Kong cartoon from Rankin and Bass. And then right after that,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: a few hours after that, was Outer Limits. And then
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: a few hours after that was an Alfred Hitchcock. And
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: that night there was a monster movie. And then we
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: get in the car and we drive to our new
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: home in South Dakota. And halfway we stop at a hotel.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: And this thing called Dark Shadows is on the TV.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: It's got a werewolf and a vampire that are going
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: at it. And I'm like, what is this? Then we
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: get to there. And then I see within a year,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I see World of Worlds, Time Machine, King Kong, Godzilla,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Curse of the Werewolf, a bunch of Hammer films. I
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: see The Bride of Frankenstein and Frankenstein the same night.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I see that Fiend Without a Face with the Flying
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Brains is coming on. I ain't watching that one. I
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: did not turn that on. I do watch I Was
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: a Teenage Frankenstein. I get terrified. I run upstairs and
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: tell my brother, who's older than me, who went to
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: bed before me, he stayed up awake the rest of
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: the night looking at the ceiling and I fell asleep
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: immediately because I had gotten the fear out. He said, man,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I stayed up. Which is funny because in a couple
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: of weeks we're going to go up and actually see
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: the guy who played Teenage Frankenstein up at Monster Bash. So, yes,
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, I latched onto this stuff. And it's comics,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: it's art, it's creative, it's I also love old radio shows.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Anything where you get to really be creative. And that
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: isn't just, I don't live by bread alone. It's not just,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: I watch all kinds of films. The only thing I
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: ask is that they're good. If it's a drama, if
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: it's Japanese, if it's Seven Samurai, or if it's a
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: David Lean film or whatever, it just has to be good.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: I'll watch a good chick flick. I mean, I have
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: no problem with that. It's got to be good.
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just bounce around and like, yes, we're kind
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: of drawn towards, you know, sci-fi and horror and all
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: of that.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: But I'm glad to throw in a classic, you know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: old Hollywood or something foreign that we haven't seen.
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: And yeah, it's like, I love working stuff in that's
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: kind of outside the norm.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: And that happens with my drawing too. I mean, sometimes
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: like we'll, we'll, we'll get in the car and go
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: down to like a little place like Appalachia Cole and
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: I'll take the sketchbook and set out on the, on the,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: the deck and, you know, draw the boats and draw
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: the pelicans and, and, and all that kind of stuff.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: And just sort of say, this is, this is really good.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: This is really, you know, you know, I've got these
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: kinds of books with stuff like that in it too.
• 43:01
  Speaker 7: Well, that's, I guess, moving into like technique, are you
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: still just pencil to start off with?
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: And then I guess how, as you get into.
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: I guess, bigger and bigger productions as, as now that
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: you're doing stuff that end up as magazine covers, like,
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: What's your starting point and then what becomes the process
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: to get it to that point at the end? Because
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: now I know there's so many other technical ends that
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: can be applied.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Here's the other thing, too, with me, though. It depends
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: on what I've got to do and how much time
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I have and whether I would be able to take
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: the time to get it done as a full-blown painting
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: so I can sell it later on the collector's market.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: So sometimes if somebody calls me up and goes, I
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: need a cover in four days, it's like, well, you're
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: getting the digital treatment. I don't have time to do that.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: And it's like a lot of art directors don't care.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: They just want a nice cover.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: They just want it to be done and move on
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to the next thing.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: But what I would try to do whenever possible is say,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: how much time have you got? And then they go, oh,
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: it's not really due for about six months. We're just
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: getting it prepped. So then I get my calendar out
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: and then I prep. I will start this then and
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: then I will do a painting and then I will
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: give them a scan of it and then I'll have,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: you know, So, I mean, I do, you know, but
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: sometimes it depends on how elaborate even that process is.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Like you said, sometimes I do a pencil drawing. I'll
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: scan it in. I might work on it more in
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: black and white and then move it over into either.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: I don't use Photoshop exclusively very much. It has a
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: tendency for me. I don't know about the new brushes.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: I hear that it does a whole bunch of other stuff,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: but I'm an old, tired old man, so I don't
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: want to really be messing.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I spend all day just, like, experimenting and But I
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: will move it over to Corel Painter, which has brushes
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: that really have a kind of a weight to them.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: And then are you using like pad or are you actually,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: is there a pen version?
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Pad, yeah. I don't have the, I haven't gotten a
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Cintiq or anything like that yet. And to be honest
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: with you, I'm trying to move further and further away
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: from digital lately. I find that I get tired of
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: the day my computer decides to act up. I get
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: tired of the, I just get, I get, I get,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: I get tired. Maybe I've done it for a long time.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Especially being a graphic designer, you know, with companies and
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: things like that. I've been in front of the tube,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: that tube for 25 years now or something. And I
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: find I get more gratification out of the real, out
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: of the real stuff. Which is funny where everybody nowadays
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: is going that direction.
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: I think with so many things, though, it takes that
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: turn and becomes, again, it's the weird vinyl thing now.
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: It's just like it's completely gone, and then all of
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: a sudden people will be like, no, I want actual
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: legit paintings that someone did. I do find an undercurrent
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: of that. It's still off in the shadows somewhere, but yeah.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right. I think part of my
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: brain is saying in this day and age, and this
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: is nothing, absolutely nothing against creating things digitally. Because there's
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: a lot of great stuff out there by a lot
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: of great people.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: And it's becoming its own art form.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah. And sometimes it's like, okay, maybe you are
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: going past a bunch of techniques that have been around
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: for hundreds of years. In a lot of cases, hundreds
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: of years. But in this case, the person has this
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: thing in their brain and they're allowed to try to
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: get it and tweak it until it was actually in
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: their head. That was one thing that did amaze me
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: about using the computer is that there was times when
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: i got done i said that's exactly what was in
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: my head and i don't think a lot of times
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: with real paint and stuff there's happy accidents and then
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: there's the brush strokes and you know oh am i
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: painting impasto this time or is it going to be
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: very thin is it going to be glazes or whatever
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: and uh i i think there is a group of
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: people out there and they're not saying they're rejecting digital
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: what they're saying is is that is there that Maybe
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: they feel that it has more value because it really
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: was the old school way of doing something. It's like
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: if you pull up in a car and the entire
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: body was made, there's only 200 of them made and
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: they were all made by hand in some Italian race
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: car kind of a thing. And then you've got the
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: one that was done the other There's going to be
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: a little bit more of a romance towards that one.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: That's why you get movies like Tucker, The Man and
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: His Dream. That's what I was thinking as you said.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I want to own one of those Tuckers.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want a Tucker torpedo. And I think in
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: a way, maybe it's a little bit of a financial
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: choice too that I'm doing it to. Because you'll find
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: people want that done by hand work.
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's the way, again, drawn to art the
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: way I have been, that's always been my take. Like,
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: I don't know that I have any, like, digital prints.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: Like, I have posters and stuff, but, like, when I
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: go to get art, I have original paintings almost all
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: of the time.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: There's only once or twice.
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: I'd seen somebody that did a print onto canvas and
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: made it look really good, and I was like, oh, and, like,
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: I bought one cause I love, I still love the artwork,
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: but I hung it up and I was like, it
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: just felt like cheating. Like it just, for me as
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: like the person who bought it, I felt like, yeah,
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: but I know that's not the real version of it,
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: even though it.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Looks really close. You know, if you're standing across the room,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: you don't know the difference.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll say this. There is a kind of, whether
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: you're painting realistic or with real materials. In my case, it's, acrylics,
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: acrylic gouache, golden open paints, which have a little slower
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: drying time. I used to paint with oils. I love that.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: But I'm an illustrator, so I have to kind of
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: hurry it up and get it done. And I don't
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: want to put dryers in there that could damage the
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: paint later. If a collector has it and 30 years
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: later it starts cracking or something, or you use the
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: wrong kind of paints and they put it a little
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: closer to the sun than they should from their window
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: and it drains the color out of it. I don't
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: want anything like that. But There is still, for the
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: real heavy-duty people that work in digital, there is still
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: a ton of labor in it. So in a way,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: you kind of have to think of it differently, I believe.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: I think you have to look at it and go,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: there is still a great thought there. And the work
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: that they put into it took, it's really almost as
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: much work as the other. Yeah.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Again, like what little I've done.
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: It's almost more trouble for me to put it in
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: there in, like, pencil form and then clean it up
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: to get it to where I want it later than
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: if I.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Just finished it in the physical world.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: So, yeah, it's like sometimes it's more work the other way. But, again,
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: it's like sometimes it's more useful once you've got it
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: in the digital form to put online because it's all
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: about getting it out there and whatever.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: So that's become its own aspect.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: I honor. I am amazed by there are certain people.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: There's a guy named chris oh goodness i can't believe
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: i forgot his name he's a he's a movie designer
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: and he's also but he's done a lot of digital
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: artwork and his name escapes me if i can remember
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: i'll get it to you but he did he does
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: work for movies he did work for video games but
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: the way that he paints digitally it's like you just
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: don't care yeah uh he'll do like a quick sketch
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: from a clint eastwood movie or he'll do um He
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: did some quick sketches from the movie Tombstone, which I love.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: And they just look so good. He went down his
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: own path and learned this stuff and did it his way.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: So yeah, good digital is good digital.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Well, that's something I come back to, too. You were
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: talking about going to school for it.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: How much.
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: Do you think what you learned as far as, because
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: it was a lot more commercial, I'm assuming, where you
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: ended up, how much of it comes into play into
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: what you're doing on the stuff that you.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: Actually, for that, it wasn't. What he taught me was discipline.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: We had to hand letter strips because, like in the 1940s,
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: you'd open a magazine and the lettering in there was
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: done by hand, built up with a quill pen. That's
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: what I had to do. I had to learn extreme patience. And, uh,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: that was the first thing that he made you do
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: in class. And you usually did it for like about,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: I think three months or something. And by the time
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: you came out, not only were you very good at that,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: there was a whole bunch of that, that you applied
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: to everything else, but it was mostly commercial. But he
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: saw that I was very interested in drawing people. And
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: for some reason he just, he never yelled at me.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: He never went like, quit, put that thing down with
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: drawing those portraits. He always just, let me just do
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: it for like, I'm like two or three months into
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: this and I'm, So I was really practicing. Then I
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: went to the local community college there, TCC. And then
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: I went to FSU. Oh, boy. I'm going to say this.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: I was not happy at FSU. I was not being taught.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: There was a sort of an atmosphere there of, lack
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: of a better term, there was a little bit of
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: an atmosphere of snobbery about it. And I remember a
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: teacher coming up to me and going, no, you need
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: to learn how to do this such and such a thing.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: And I said, okay, well, this is really important. And
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: you're saying it's where I'm having a downfall. Just do
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: me a favor. Here's the brush and just do it
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: on my, on the painting or do it on a
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: scrap or somebody that goes, no, no, I don't want
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: to mess with your growth creatively. I'm like, it was completely, well,
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: I think he felt that I was going to be
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden like him if I did. But
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: it's like, So I did that for, I think I
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: was just there only for taking painting and drawing classes
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: and watercolor. And it was like all those classes was
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: the same thing. Now, I'm not saying I didn't learn anything.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: There was a good guy with the drawing classes. I
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: liked him a lot. I got taught a few things.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: They schooled me there. But with the painting classes, I
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: didn't feel like I was learning a bloody thing. And
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: I went to about three or four blocks up the road.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: They had a little convention there. at what they called
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: at the time the Round Holiday Inn down there in Tallahassee.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: And I went, and they had Kelly Freese was there,
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: the great science fiction illustrator was there. And I paid
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: $ 25 for a weekend class with him. I learned more
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: in that, I don't know, it was like maybe a
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: total of like two hours of class or three hours
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: of class, and then sitting there watching him paint a
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: portrait for charity. And I took notes of every single
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: thing that man did. If he applied a dab of blue,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I wrote, applied a dab of blue. And I literally
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: went through and I found the notebook again the other
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: day after not having it for years. I found it
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: the other day and put it right where on a
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: main spot on the bookcase. But I learned more from
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: him in that five hours than I learned at the
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: entire time I was at FSU. And that's going to
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: probably piss some people off. But I'm like, you know what?
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: you've got sometimes you have to start by teaching people
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: the nuts and bolts and let them then grow or
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: spread out it.
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: Is such a case-by-case basis so that's why i'm like
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: you can't condemn all of it one way or the
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: other but it's like it is interesting like i've heard
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: different stories and this is kind of what i always
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: end up taking from it's like in either like going
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: to classes or just taking it as part of your
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: schooling in general the only thing i seem to hear
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: from people is the the regiment the like the fact
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: that they make me sit down and do this every
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: day they show me these processes and the access they're
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: like okay i didn't have all these things and here's
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: these tools that they let me use in this you
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: know college that i went to yeah and then when
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: i was done i went and figured out what i
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: wanted to do so it's like i still feel like
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: nobody's getting tons of like finding themselves artistically from these classes,
• 54:51
  Speaker 7: everybody gets some good practice in maybe, and then they.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Leave and end up doing it on their own anyway.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: So I don't know. Yeah, there's a bit of that
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: you're kind of doing it, you're doing it, you're doing it,
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: but I'm not really getting out of this what I want.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: And then maybe you kind of take a breather and
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: come back to it. There is one other person I
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: want to give a little bit of credit to, a
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: lady named Sally Shovar. I think she's in Moultrie, Georgia
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: or something. And I took some classes with her. And
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: once again, it was me wanting to, I think already
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: then it was like I already wanted to paint robots
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: and giant monkeys and whatever the hell. But I will
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: give this to her. She did start to teach me
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: to pay more attention to color theory. And the thing is,
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: when I worked at Homes and Land Publishing, which was,
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: you know, like its name, it was selling houses. But
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: we had to do, I was a photo color correction guy.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: I think that that taught me a lot about the
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: color palette.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is where you find it.
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: Again, the case-by-case thing. Everybody's immersed in these different situations.
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: And if you're going to take something from.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: It, you will. And not everybody does. There was another
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: great book called, and I think it might be out
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: of print. And it should never be out of print
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: if it is. It's called Blue and Yellow Don't Make Green.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: And it really is a very interesting thing that there
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: isn't just those three primary colors. That does not work.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: You have to have a blue that leans towards the
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: green and a blue that leans towards the purple. There's
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: no exact part where those are just together. They're just
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: slightly off of each other. And if you sit there
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: and you grab the wrong one and you apply it
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: to somebody, you go, why isn't this working? Why does
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: this not work? One quick little story about FSU that
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: really will, that I will want to give credit to them.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: They had a TA. He was a punk rocker. I mean,
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: his hair was sticking up in the air. And he
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: came into drawing class one day because our regular TA
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: was out sick or something. And he walked in, and
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: there was one of those old rocking horses in the
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: middle of the room, some kid's thing with the springs
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: on it and the metal frame. And he got in there,
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: and he got on top of the horse, and he's
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: rocking back and forth. He goes, in my class, we
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: have fun. And I thought, well, this guy's kind of crazy,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: but I like him because I was into punk rock.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: But he said, everybody go out in the hallway. And
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: he said, bring your sketchbooks. And he took a yardstick
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: and he threw it down on the ground. And he looked,
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: he said, I want you to draw that. I want
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: you to draw that scene right there. So I drew
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: the stick and I drew the tiles on the floor.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: And all of a sudden he goes, no, you completely
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: screwed up. That's lousy. He goes, that yardstick is going
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: across five tiles. You've got it going across three. You
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: didn't look at it. You didn't look at it at all.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're not, you've got to pay attention to
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: what you're doing. And I was like, holy crap, that
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: was probably the best thing for the whole year and
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: a half I was there to get that from him.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: I wasn't observing. I was just coasting.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Being a punk rock guy, that's very exact.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: He's not being punk rock. Yeah, but I was coasting.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I'm just going to get this
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: thing on. Okay, did I did it? No, you didn't
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: do it. I was always great. I don't remember the
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: guy's name or anything like that, but I was thankful
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: that somebody slapped me around. Yeah, taking his bits and pieces.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: You've got to pay attention. You've got to pay attention
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: to exactly what you're seeing. And you can get fooled.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: But other things I learned there, too, that were good
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: was like drawing. If you're nervous about something, drawing from
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: a photograph upside down. Grids, if you've got to get
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: an exact two. And things like that. But anyway.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Well, as you get into stuff now, how much.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Control do you have over what.
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: Your next project is versus how much stuff is coming
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: into you? Do you still get a chance to just
• 58:39
  Speaker 7: do this because I want to do this?
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: A lot of times the schedule is really full, which
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: I'm grateful for. But the other day I stopped because
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: of Roger Moore dying and I did two pencil pieces
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: that I just said I'm going to do this and
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: get it out. I did it for me. I had
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: wanted to do Actually, I wanted to do a piece
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: from Man with the Golden Gun when Christopher Lee passed away,
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: and I was going to do both of them, but
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: I didn't get a chance to do it. I'll probably
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: do both of them together in a painting someday. just
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: for my own pleasure. But the other day with him passing,
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: it kind of hit me harder than I thought. I
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: am more of a Sean Connery guy, but I went
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: to the theater and saw all those Roger Moore films.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: I saw way more Roger Moore.
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: It's one of those, yeah, when I look back, I'm like,
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: I hear people talk about how cheesy it got, which
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: as he got older, it was kind of silly.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: They had to lean more towards the comedy because he
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: was not.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: He was getting up there even when he was still playing.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: It was like the other day I was watching. I
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: watched a bunch of Roger Moore's last week, but I
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: also watched Thunderball. and the Sean Connery is a more
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: brutal James Bond. And the fights are in a lot
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: of ways are more brutal. I mean, I think that's
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: one thing that Daniel Craig has kind of got in
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: his way is that he's, he's, he's a, he's a
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: little bit more of a, it's more like they put a, a,
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: a gorilla in a, in a suit, you know, and,
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: and send them to charm school. But, um, anyway, I
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: was just like, you know, I went, I saw all
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: these films when they were brand new and he was
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: part of my life. And there was other shows that
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: he did that I liked. And so I did the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: portrait and I stopped. I mean, I, I mean, but
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: I kind of did stay up later in the evening
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: to do them and all that stuff. And I'll do
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: that from time to time. There's 500 things right now
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: I could probably pick that I would do. I'd like
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: to do a painting from the movie, the Mario Bava movie,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Planet of the Vampires. Just because those spacesuits are so
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: damn cool. I'd like to do anything. I mean, there's
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: so many things I could do. But luckily, the work
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: coming in a lot of times scratches the itch. I've
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: got one guy, Troy Howard. Generally. Yeah, I mean, it
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: really is weird. I mean, somebody goes, are you ever
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: going to do a painting from this, that, or the other?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, and I'm like, you know, even if I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: don't because somebody is going to probably give me that
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: job eventually. So it's pretty cool.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: I mean, there is a lot out there. It does
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 7: still seem like we're, you know, we've lost. It's such
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 7: a weird world that we're in now because, I mean,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 7: people talk about how much we've lost so much print.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 7: But then I'll go to what handful of bookstores are
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 7: still around. And there's just a mile of magazines over
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: there that I'm like, it's great that these are still
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 7: out there, but I'm like, I don't even know how
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: people are finding them sometimes. I mean, cause there are
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: ones that I will come across. I'm like, I didn't
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: even know this one existed and it's been around for years.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: So it's, it's good that it's all still out there,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: but we're losing that way to market it to people
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: that I, I wonder if we're going to hit some
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: sort of weird divide at some point. Cause I'm not
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 7: sure how they're still bringing in enough readers or Suckering
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: advertisers in if.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: It's not getting out to people.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Some of them don't. We've actually had a loss of,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know how many recently. The last year or
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: two was a bad blow to, I don't want to
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: call them just monster magazines, but they're films that lean
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: to the bizarre. I mean, we lost Video Watchdog. we
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: lost Famous Monsters again, which I think is going to...
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: They're saying it's taking on some other form, but I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: don't know what that really means.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Seems like that's always going to find a home somewhere.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: Somewhere, but still, the fact that they just shut it
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: down in a way was kind of surprising. I'm trying
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: to think of what... There was some others, too. I
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: guess Fangoria, too, for the more R-rated people. It's sad
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: when I.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Think how many times I went through that.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: And Starlog, so much of that was.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Spent with those. Yeah, Starlog. And I think that there
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: were a few other ones, too, on top of that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: that we lost. And I think Rue Morgue is going
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: to four times a year instead of so. They're all
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: doing different things. Some of the magazines I work for
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: only have smaller print runs, and they're only sold either
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: only in comic shops or directly through the mail.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: It is becoming more of a novelty thing. And I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 7: think that's kind of, again, back to almost the weird
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: vinyl research. I think because it's harder to find them, because...
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 7: It's not at every, you know, thrifty mart around the corner. Like,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: I think the people that care.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: About it kind of covet it a little more.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 7: Like, it is one of those, like, because I have
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: this in its physical form, it makes it more special that, like.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Because so many of them are falling by the wayside.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: And it's harder to find things like that unless you're
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: at a convention.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: Well, some of them, you know, the one that I
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: work for that's on, well, most consistently that's on the
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: big newsstand thing is Scream with two E's.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: And I love that magazine for, it's for the people
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: that are out there buying Blu-rays and DVDs and looking
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: for the new films. And he kind of, he goes
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: over a lot of stuff. And it's writing dense, which too,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: but you know how I love visual imagery. But still,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: if you're going to print a magazine, don't give me,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: you know, four giant pictures on one page and a
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: third of a page of text or a little tiny
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: bit of text.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: There's definitely some that were leaning towards that.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's almost like that kind of stuff
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: I don't think flies as well because you can look
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: at imagery all the time. You've got the movies in
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: your hand. Yeah. Some of them didn't make it because
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: they were still trying to be film books where they
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: literally would show a whole bunch of photographs from the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: film and then describe the film. Well, you've got the DVD,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: now you've got the Blu-ray.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Again, that worked back in the day.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: Now that you can just watch it. Back in the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: 60s and 70s and stuff, it was great. But Scream
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: is a very good magazine. He will tell you about
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: Blu-ray releases and DVD releases coming out in other countries, too.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: But these are for the people that will also sit
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: there and go, you know what? I am going to
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: buy an international player because I don't want my collection
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: to be limited because some business guys have decided that
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: they're going to divide up the earth. Not going to
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: release this. Oh, it makes me nuts. I mean, they
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: had a really great version of Tarantula that got released
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: that had extra footage in it from Germany. Germany of
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: all places. Those people didn't even like science fiction when
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: I was there as a kid. You know? And so they're...
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: You want to be able to pick up the day
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: what you want. The Japanese are doing these great Blu-rays
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: of their monster movies. I'm not going to worry about it.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: I'm going to order it from them. So there's that magazine,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: Little Shop of Horrors, the one that really kind of
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: gave me my first break, Richard Clemonson. His magazine is
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: concentrated on the... It was mostly concentrated on Hammer. But
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: then it kind of spread a little bit and started
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: dealing with amicus films and things from England, different, the Tigon.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Kind of spiral into.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Tigon and then the stuff that the Dr. Fibes movies.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: And then lately they did the, the, the Franklin Jella Dracula,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: which I really love. I think it's a great film.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: And then we just did the, the big one. We
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: did the Frankenstein, the true story from the 1973 film. And,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: and we've, done. I painted the cover. I don't know
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: if you saw that up online, but I have this
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: huge painted cover that I did. It was a labor
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: of love, but I think it might be the largest
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: published painted cover for a monster magazine yet. It's three pages.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: It holds out. It's a triptych.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: How big was the original?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: 20 inches by 40-something inches. But it had to be painted.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: To get, yeah, then on a magazine.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: But, yeah, and it was all done in acryl gouache
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: and just regular acrylics. But that magazine is for people
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: that really love to read about how films were made.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: I always loved reading it. They cover anything from Curse
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: of the Werewolf with Oliver Reed, Brides of Dracula, whatever.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, they just do a great job. It's a
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: lot of love by people. that work in the industry
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: and things like that a lot of times.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 7: I think that's to our advantage as being fans as
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: well is now that because it was such a little
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 7: niche market before, now that because the whole world is
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 7: geek crazy. In a way, there's people that are kind
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: of lightweight about it and they pick up a few
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 7: things that are more popular or.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: More mainstream and they move on, but we are latching
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: on to.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: Some of the other ones that might not have gotten
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 7: into this stuff but now they're making more and we're
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: finding these new people so it's also then in turn
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: breeding more reason to have more stuff so I think
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 7: it is like we have people that are such dedicated
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 7: fans and again the internet fuels that massively so I
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: think yeah we're creating this new fan base this whole
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: new generation of fans that are very ravenous the way
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: that the handful of people used to be in little
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: pockets around the country but now it's like It seems
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: like it's building up its own momentum. And that's, again,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 7: you get entire conventions based around it and re-releases of
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: DVDs that I think come specifically because we're creating this
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 7: little group of people. Because now there's all these weird
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 7: little small DVD companies or Blu-ray companies that have popped
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: up that are putting out these super special editions that, like,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 7: five to ten years ago, you couldn't even get them
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 7: to put special features on anymore because, you know, studios
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 7: had given up.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Now there are these little companies that are like.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: No, the geek fan base is there, and they want
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 7: as much stuff as you'll give them.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: And we'll pay for it.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the one that came out recently that I was very,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: very impressed with was Kaltiki, the immortal monster. I mean,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: the only time I had ever seen that film was
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: a YouTube copy, and it was pretty ghastly, and you
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: couldn't see a lot of what was happening in the
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: darker scenes. And got it at the house, arrived the
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: other day, put it in, and I was like, this
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: is amazing. They did a great job. Lots of commentary
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: extras and all that kind of stuff. We got a beautiful,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: beautiful treatment. But that picture, that's totally the reason to
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: get that thing.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 7: It's amazing when they either find a good copy or
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: can clean it up that well to go back and
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: find it.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: Was a there was a back and forth about finding
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: some ultimate or ultimate copy that nobody knew existed or
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: wasn't sure did or only a few people knew about
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: it or something so But it's also got commentary by
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: my buddies Troy Howarth and Tim Lucas on it as well,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: and they both do great jobs. Because I'm one of
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: those people that I'll watch a film, and then I
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: do go through, whether they're re-watching it completely again with
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: the commentary, or I'll be painting or drawing and letting
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: the commentary run. It's like having a nice radio show going.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: You can look up and see the pictures here and there.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: I think it was Arrow did that one. They did
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: a terrific job. So, yeah, I mean, we're preserving. We're almost,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: the people that are doing that are nerds and geeks,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: and I think we're trying to self, we're doing self-preservation.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 7: Because we have lost stuff, or it was gone for
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: 30 or 40 years, and we're just now digging it out.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, some does, some is gone completely. There's bits and
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: pieces that are missing. I mean, you know, everybody talks
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: about London after midnight being gone. You know, it just is.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: It's, yeah.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: So, again, I think it is good that we're finding
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: new weird little ways to, you know, put it online somewhere,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: and now the fan base passes it back and forth,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: and at least some version of it will still be
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: out there, so.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: It's... Yeah, I mean, I'll even say this. At least
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: YouTube had a copy for me to see in some form. Yeah.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 7: I mean, there's downsides to all that stuff, too, but
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 7: I'm like, for the survival part of it, like, I
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 7: always feel better knowing that some version is rotating out
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 7: there in the world.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the other thing, too, about that film.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: If I hadn't seen it on YouTube, I probably never
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: really would have been ready to turn around and spend,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: I think it was like $ 30 or something on the Blu-ray,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: but I was ready and I was happy. But YouTube
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: also puts some films up there that are in pretty
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: good shape.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: Surprisingly, sometimes you'll run across stuff that I'm like, I
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 7: don't know why this is on here, but thank you.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 7: Well, as you've got all this stuff coming in, is
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: there still dream projects that you want to work on?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 7: Or even a different mode that you kind of want
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 7: to move to?
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: I like the film work still. Every once in a
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: while I get a chance to do a novel book cover.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: There's some of those going on. I've been lucky lately
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: I just recently did another Kolchak, the Night Stalker cover.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: And it looks like there might be another one or
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: two coming right behind that. I love that.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Assuming you were pretty attached to that one, too. That
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: was such a turning point for so many people out there.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: Well, for me, I saw it the night the original
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: film aired. I mean, I was there, and I've been
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: a fan ever since. And so getting the opportunity to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: actually paint him, that's great. Old television shows. movies. Every
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: once in a while I get something weird that comes
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: out of left field. Somebody will say, I want to
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: commission you to do this. And I'm like, you know what?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: You got it. I'm happy. Like Eric Von Zipper, the
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: evil villain from the Beach Blanket movies. You wouldn't see
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: that coming. Yeah, but it was like, you know what?
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: That's cool. And then I've had a couple of people
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: talk about, I want you to do a painting of
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: Terry Thomas for me. You know, but with, like, yeah.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, bring it on. I mean, I
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: love that stuff, too. I feel like.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 7: Any of the weird subgenres, they're still that same fan base. Like,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 7: even if they're a different group of people, like, it's
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 7: that weird devotion to, like, beach movies. Still, to me,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: kind of falls in the same area as the weird
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 7: horror we're watching over here. It's like it's a weird,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: perverted subgenre.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: The thing is that you find people that analyze films
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: that maybe you wouldn't pay a bit of attention to.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: But to them, it's their Casablanca. It's their Gone with
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: the Wind. And that's what they focus on. It's like,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: you know, who am I? I mean, I love Japanese
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: monster movies. There are guys in rubber suits stomping on buildings.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: But I love them.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: And I always say I love seeing it, even if
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: it's not like the story that's on screen. We still
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 7: shot this at this place in time with these people.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 7: So I'm like, it's still a weird snapshot into... where
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 7: we were as like a society.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: At that point.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 7: So you look at the beach movies, I'm like, well,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 7: it was a thing. It is a reaction to what
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 7: was going on in the world at that time. There's
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 7: a reason we had them in a big group then.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 7: And it's rare that we get them now. So it
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 7: was like, it is its own weird thing that like it,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 7: I love finding that kind of stuff that like you,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 7: you start to find these sub runners and understand why
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 7: they exist because of the real world.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: It's yeah.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: I think that stuff's fascinating.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, at that time, surf music was huge. And so, yeah.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 7: And a weird counterculture thing. I mean, it's sort of
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 7: an offshoot of your beatniks, too. It's like everything becomes
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 7: a weird, oh, we're California beatniks. We're going to go
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 7: hang out on the beach.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Right. Everybody was finding their own weird little subgroup to
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: hang out with.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: Sure, sure.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of cool that even, yeah, you get
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: brought in on stuff like that.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: So, yeah. I mean, there's not. You know, I mean,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying there's not anything I wouldn't paint. I'm
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: sure there's stuff that people would ask me to paint
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: that I ain't doing that. But for the most part,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: the film and television stuff is just fun. Like I said,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: you know, when I have to do a book cover
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: for a novel or for something, short stories or whatever,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: it's completely self-generated. There's no source to go to or
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: anything like that. And you have to, you know, I mean,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: I've done... trying to think of some of the stuff
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: i've done some pulp-esque sort of covers a few horror
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: novels um what was the other one that i did
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: uh i did one for a magazine one of the
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: other ones i think it might be coming back diabolique
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: magazine where they wanted uh an evil santa claus there's
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: a there was something in in history about and it
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: wasn't krampus i don't think it was actually like an
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: evil santa so they They said, well, we want a Santa,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: and he's got a bunch of toys on his back,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: but he's pulling away his Santa mask, and there's this
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: incredibly evil, happy-to-be-evil face underneath the mask, and he's riding
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: like a demon goat on a hill, and so I
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: did the whole Bavarian Mountains at night and all that
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: and painted it, and I did it and got it
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: to them, and then I didn't look at it again
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: for a real long time, and it was... it was
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: refreshing for me to come back as an audience member.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: I'm no longer the person that did it. There's enough
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: of a distance. And I go and I, I, I
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: see this thing and I went, Oh, that, that, that
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: worked to me. It worked.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 7: Uh, you're creating like a little narrative in all of these.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 7: Do you want to take it to that level? Do
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 7: you want to move into like the storytelling in addition
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  Speaker 7: to the artwork part?
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  Speaker 3: You mean in terms of like doing sequentially?
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  Speaker 7: I guess in it, well, I mean, even, yeah, if
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  Speaker 7: you get to comics or, taking your concept that you
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  Speaker 7: painted and then turning it into a screenplay. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: there's so many ways that you could do that kind
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  Speaker 7: of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: It's just a lot more trouble. No, I mean, like
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  Speaker 3: when I was a little kid, I stole my dad's 8mm.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't steal it. I told him I'm taking it,
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  Speaker 3: and he wasn't happy. I took his 8mm camera and
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  Speaker 3: shot movies. I did this, too. Yeah, I mean, it
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  Speaker 3: was fun and a lot of animation and stuff. Some
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  Speaker 3: of that stuff I still got. I think if I
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  Speaker 3: hadn't become an illustrator... What I really wanted to do
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  Speaker 3: was work in motion pictures. But by the time I
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  Speaker 3: really ever seriously considered moving out there to Hollywood, I
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  Speaker 3: was too old.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a much bigger undertaking when you're not
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  Speaker 1: a kid. Because I still think, oh, I'd like to
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  Speaker 1: do this.
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  Speaker 3: I've known guys that were young and did it. And
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: they just went in there and they, yeah, I'll take
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  Speaker 3: a broom and sweep the floors. And then three days later,
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  Speaker 3: they're working in the model shop. And I think I
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: wanted to work in special effects. I'd love to have
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: been a matte painter. I would have loved to have
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  Speaker 3: worked on storyboards. I would love to have worked on
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  Speaker 3: designs and things like that. I honestly think I would
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  Speaker 3: have been a fairly good movie director. I think even
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  Speaker 3: with my 8mm films, I felt I had an intuition
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  Speaker 3: for it.
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  Speaker 1: It is the same thing.
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  Speaker 7: Visual part of your brain kind of already locking into
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  Speaker 7: what you want to do in a painting.
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  Speaker 3: We'd have like a frat party or a sorority, whatever,
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  Speaker 3: you know, college students get together and we'd bring out
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  Speaker 3: the projector and go, yeah, we're going to show Mark's movies. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we did, and then the students ate it up.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we did one where my entire art class
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  Speaker 3: got together and we did a movie called Terror of
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: the Dead. It was like shot like just a few
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: months after Dawn of the Dead came out and we,
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  Speaker 3: had people airbrushing zombies. I blew a guy's head off
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  Speaker 3: with a shotgun using sheets of glass and a blood
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: spatter that was animated on multiple sheets of glass. We
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: literally put this guy's body into a shoulder harness. Then
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: what I did is I held the first little piece
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  Speaker 3: of glass up in front of the camera. We shot
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  Speaker 3: this one spatter that was about this big. By the
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  Speaker 3: time it got to the third sheet of glass, the
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: spatter covered his head. We pulled him out of the
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: harness and And then we kept going with these spatters
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: of blood that got bigger and bigger and bigger and
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: finally atomized and then went out. I don't remember how
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  Speaker 3: many sheets ago. I think we dropped one. And so
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: the spatter, it went real quick. But then what we
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: did as we were doing that, we had people throwing
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: spaghetti and hamburger meat on the wall behind it. The
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: people that were renting that house probably came back later.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: They were probably pissed. But we put it. And so
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: it went. So this thing explodes. This animation explodes. The
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: head's gone and there's a. All this meat on the
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: wall behind. And it was a low-budget Tom Savini thing
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: done with a trick. But we cut our friend Burke
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: Saul from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Works on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
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  Speaker 3: Now we cut him in two with a scythe. No, no, no.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: We cut somebody else in two with a scythe. We
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: cut a zombie in two with a scythe, and then
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: Burke saw the body cut in two and then went
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: over and started eating the guts out of the middle.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: That's what it was. But yeah, I mean, it was
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: two minutes of mayhem.
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  Speaker 7: This is, yeah, again, I think it makes you so
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 7: creative when you have to physically... Again, that's kind of
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 7: falling on that same thing with the computer work.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 7: Much like the artwork, like the CG world, like sometimes
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 7: you don't get as creative when you can just go
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 7: in the computer and fix it, you know, where the
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 7: stuff that you had to do when you.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: Physically had to make that stuff happen, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want somebody to get that all scanned in
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: and show it. But yeah, so... Overall, I think I
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: would have wanted to have worked in films.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's not true. I still think they'd bring you
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: in to do storyboards and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: If somebody calls me up and asks, I'd be more
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: than happy to work on film stuff. I've done a
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: few poster sort of things for films. Not large ones,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: but I've done a few posters and things like that.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 7: If they want to, I guess them and anyone else
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 7: out there, what's the best way for people to find you?
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: Even though I've got a website, it's www.mattoxplanet.com. For me,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: the best way is Facebook. I'm on Facebook. I use it.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: I post my newest artwork up there, so if people
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: are wanting to be kept in the loop as to
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: what I'm doing, and I've got one of my photo
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: albums in there. It's called Some of Mark's Art. That's
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: got a lot of stuff. It's just easier to keep
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: that refreshed.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: I have so many problems with Facebook as a whole,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: but it's pretty useful. Like, I still make use.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: Of it all the time. Because it's what everybody uses.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: Like I said, I mean, I take a, I mean,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: I probably should be using, what's the other one? Instagram.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: I should probably be using that more, too.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: It's so hard to make anything work.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: But I sit there and just, you know, you're done
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: with a drawing, you're done with a painting or something
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: like that. You snap a picture and you, boom, here's
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: what I worked on this week. And, you know, it
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: just kind of lets people know what you're up to.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it's Mark Maddox. It's in Tallahassee, Florida. But yeah,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: if not, then it's maddoxplanet.com.
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  Speaker 9: Cool.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. All right.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Well, we will definitely tell people to come find you
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: and buy some of your work.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Thank you so much.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: Thank you, man. Cool.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: I think that about wraps it up. Misty, you've got
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: your little plastic monsters.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 6: I do have my plastic monsters, which I'm pretty excited about.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 6: They're a tiny little.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 7: They're kind of like little army men, only they're like
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 7: sort of kind of universal monsters, but more.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: Of like the generic backed up It's that same cast.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 7: Of Universal Monsters, but the more generalized novel versions of them,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 7: I suppose.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 8: Look at that.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 6: It's a little wolfman.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: Wolfman's pretty damn cute.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: He's all crouched down being a wolf. A creature from
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: the white lagoon.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 6: It's pretty awesome.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 6: I got five of them.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: Hell, yeah.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 6: That's the only thing I bought.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: We controlled ourselves this year. I did.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 7: I have not bought any. ridiculous thing so far.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: So far.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Not out here yet.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 6: Remember when they used to have a lot of bootleg
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: DVDs way back in the day when that wasn't quite
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: as frowned upon?
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Back when that was a thing and you did that. Well,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: and also you couldn't get it.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 7: Like now, that's the reason the bootleg market, not that
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 7: it was frowned upon, it's because it got replaced. Because
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 7: now everybody just rips things off via the internet and
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 7: they don't need a DVD.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 8: So, yup.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: The wonders of modern technology.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 8: Totally putting down this guy doing his illegal activities.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 6: I thought I first saw the ring.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Yeah, this is where we
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: got it.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: I remember.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: It's an entertaining movie. So, thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 7: Once again, go to wonderfest.com and see what they've got
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 7: in the works for next year. It has been an
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 7: awesome weekend.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 9: As usual.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 4: Bye.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: You, I don't like.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: You're not coming out alive.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: When we got to the beach, there was lots of commotion.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 6: The zombie girls were doing the locomotion.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: A hairy chupacabra paddled out in the ocean. The witches
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: were brewing a magic circuit potion.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: Mom's a circus.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: Party and I have some fun.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: Monster Surfer Party.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 8: Barreled in a wave was Dracula's daughter.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: A sacrifice was made, we were having a slaughter The
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: wave burned.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 6: Our lashes, couldn't get much hotter.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: You're not coming out alive!
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Stop the music!
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: Stop the music!
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: That's enough for the first time.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: What a rude dude. That's it. This interview's over.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: It would seem our friendship messages have been received and understood, Mr.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 9: Spock.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: I would say that was a logical assumption, Captain.
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