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The Late Debate | 23 April · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the late ba.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show. I'm Dankai Georgio tonight,
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  Speaker 2: joined by James McPherson and Joe hilde Brand. Great to
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  Speaker 2: see you both. A welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: Just take him back to say, James, I love your
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  Speaker 1: outfit this evening. You are cutting quite the dash. It's
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  Speaker 1: incredible the way you've pulled it together.
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  Speaker 3: We thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Joe.
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  Speaker 3: I like your you've had a haircut.
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  Speaker 1: I've had a haircut. Yeah, we both got to I
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  Speaker 1: like your glasses.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So okay, the bromancee.
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  Speaker 3: Just for so viewers understand.
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  Speaker 4: When I sat down on set, I said to Joe,
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  Speaker 4: you're looking sharp tonight, and he returned the compliment. And
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  Speaker 4: then Danika got upstreet because no one was telling her
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  Speaker 4: how beautiful she looked.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody was going to be the comp of it.
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  Speaker 2: And are you trying to get the record to host
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  Speaker 2: as many shows as you can on tinyes tonight?
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  Speaker 1: James?
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  Speaker 4: Is that your poor old Caleb Bond? Quick shout out
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  Speaker 4: to our mate. He's not been well this week, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure he'll be watching. And we trust you're feeling
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  Speaker 4: a lot better and back on deck soon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He wouldn't rock up to work dressed exactly the same
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  Speaker 1: as you, So you know where's the appreciation?
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  Speaker 2: Well that that said, all right, well We're going to
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  Speaker 2: just leave the bromance there because I'm feeling left out.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up tonight, kokook a chum, missus Robinson. Old women
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  Speaker 2: are in demand by younger men. Why are more mendating cougars?
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  Speaker 2: The answer might surprise you. Is it ever okay to
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  Speaker 2: put makeup on your baby for an Instagram photo? We'll
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  Speaker 2: get stuck into that latest trend and the robots are
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  Speaker 2: at it again, this time thrashing elite ping pong players
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  Speaker 2: at their own game. But first tonight. Four writers have
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  Speaker 2: whitched one of Australia's leading publishing houses after it canceled
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  Speaker 2: a children's book co authored by an anti Zionist illustrator.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Chun had illustrated this book, Billa a River Cycle,
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  Speaker 2: written by Indigenous poet Jazz Money, but the University of
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  Speaker 2: Queensland Press has canned it over an article Chun published
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  Speaker 2: after the Bondi massacre called we Don't Mourn Fascists. In it,
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  Speaker 2: he complained about those who impulsively mourned the loss of
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  Speaker 2: innocent lives at Bondo. In its statement, the university said,
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  Speaker 2: we do not condone his views and we cannot proceed
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  Speaker 2: in a way that suggests endorsement or association. As a result,
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  Speaker 2: this publication of the book will not proceed. The university
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  Speaker 2: regrets the impact this matter has on the author, Jazz Money.
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  Speaker 2: We have enormous respect for Jazz and her work, and
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  Speaker 2: we would welcome the opportunity to work with Jazz again
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  Speaker 2: in the future. Now, of the four writers who quit
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  Speaker 2: the publishing house, one is notorious anti Israel activists and
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  Speaker 2: academic Randa abdel Fatar, well precisely my exact thoughts. And
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  Speaker 2: another author by the name of Natalia Figura Barosso said quote,
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  Speaker 2: I am trembling with indignation because Zionus made those of
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  Speaker 2: you up top tremble, but I tremble at your immoral choice. Well, first,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to point out that abdel Fatar, it's extraordinaries. Firstly,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to point out that abdel Fatar claim
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  Speaker 2: that the university has quote capitulated to a Murdock driven
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  Speaker 2: smear campaign, and that automatically made me think of Grace Tame. Remember,
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  Speaker 2: after she all of those speaking tours were canceled after
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  Speaker 2: she chanted Globalize the Intofata and she claimed that she
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  Speaker 2: was the victim of a smear campaign. So if you
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  Speaker 2: notice a bit of a pattern with all these people,
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  Speaker 2: they're always the victim, aren't they always the victim? And
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  Speaker 2: it's always somebody else's fault for the nonsense that they spew. Secondly,
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  Speaker 2: congratulations and well done in my view on Queensland University
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  Speaker 2: Press for taking a stand. How good would it be
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  Speaker 2: if many of these arts or writing publications took a
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  Speaker 2: stand after October seven, twenty twenty three and put an
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  Speaker 2: end to it and said no, enough is enough.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm all for freedom of speech. However, when it crosses
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  Speaker 2: over into hate territory then I have a problem with it.
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  Speaker 2: And James, in my view, we have seen this time
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  Speaker 2: and time again since October seven, and these people need
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  Speaker 2: to learn that actions have consequences.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and like you said, it's wonderful to see a
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  Speaker 4: tertiary institution in this country finally show some backbone and
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  Speaker 4: some moral clarity.
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  Speaker 3: And didn't they do well?
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  Speaker 4: I mean they canceled one book and got rid of
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  Speaker 4: four problematic authors.
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  Speaker 1: They canceled two.
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  Speaker 4: Books, three books, imagine the improvement in the country.
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  Speaker 3: So look, I think this is a good news story.
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  Speaker 4: One thing I did find amusing Joe is that jazz
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  Speaker 4: money the author. She ended her statement with these words,
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  Speaker 4: let me quote from Billa to the Sea, sovereignty never
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  Speaker 4: seated Free Palestine. Now, that is a mix of all
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  Speaker 4: the best leftist cliches right in one sentence.
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  Speaker 1: That it's a whole from Gadigall to Gaza, globalized the infantata.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like saying, oh, it's exactly the same. And
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  Speaker 1: as I think even Marshall Langton pointed out, so if
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  Speaker 1: you're actually going to draw a parallel actually the indigenous
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  Speaker 1: people of the Jews, so you might want to find
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  Speaker 1: another analogy if you're going to sort of do your
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  Speaker 1: little island of Doctor Moreau mishmash of the two issues.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't, look, I don't. I never take any
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  Speaker 1: joy in p been canceled and being pulled. And part
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  Speaker 1: of the reason, I think is because it then, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: as it did sort of with the Adelaide Writer's Festival
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  Speaker 1: depending on it. I mean Peter Malon now is because
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  Speaker 1: won a massive election and had the entire South Australian
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  Speaker 1: population on his side, But again it does allow these
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  Speaker 1: people to play the martyr, to play that sort of
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  Speaker 1: victim narrative. And of course, in all of these statements
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  Speaker 1: that we've heard tonight, have any of them actually argued
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  Speaker 1: or taken up the actual issue at hand, which is
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  Speaker 1: Matt Chun writing an article saying we don't mourn fascists
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  Speaker 1: as soon as the Bondai massacre occurred. No, I just
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  Speaker 1: asked the question, like, just answer the question quickly. The
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  Speaker 1: ten year old girl who was shot dead and murdered
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  Speaker 1: by the terrorists, is she a fascist? Can any of
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  Speaker 1: them just answer that in their statement? Well, can we just.
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  Speaker 2: Point that is a good word, because they did release
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  Speaker 2: a statement, Joe, And you're quite right, there was no mention.
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  Speaker 2: This is what they said, they said, and I quite
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  Speaker 2: will bring we'll bring it up, they said. It's with
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  Speaker 2: the deeper regret and anger that I write this email
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  Speaker 2: to inform you that I am terminating any further projects
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  Speaker 2: and contracts are hold with the University of Queensland Press
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  Speaker 2: as a result of the shameful and a Borran decision
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  Speaker 2: to pulp the work of a fellow Aboriginal storyteller without
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  Speaker 2: due process, communication, respect, or consideration. So that was the
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  Speaker 2: that's random Fatta, Evelyn Norellin, and Natalia Borosso that's the
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  Speaker 2: other three that.
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  Speaker 4: It's not even a fellow storyteller, it's a fellow Aboriginal storyteller.
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  Speaker 4: So there's identity politics at every turn here.
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  Speaker 1: Joe couldn't nothing to do with the storyteller, to do
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  Speaker 1: with Matt Chans, to do with the guy who did
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  Speaker 1: the illustration. So again they're deliberate. Either they're bone stupid
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  Speaker 1: and they don't understand what is happening, or they're deliberately
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  Speaker 1: trying to obfuscate and just muddy the waters to again
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  Speaker 1: make themselves look like this is some kind of racist
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  Speaker 1: thing of you know, would.
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  Speaker 4: You have more sympathy for their position if they had
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  Speaker 4: said what Matt Chun said is deplorable, don't endorse that.
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  Speaker 4: At the same time, he's a great artist. Illustrations are beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: The two are separate. If they'd taken that tone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been going on for This has been
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  Speaker 1: going on for a while, So I've known about this
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  Speaker 1: for some time and that they were the sort of
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  Speaker 1: noises that were being made by the various parties that look,
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  Speaker 1: we don't we don't support this, but you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: a bit like when Sorron Mandana in the Mayor of
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  Speaker 1: New York sayse, I know I don't endorse my wife's
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  Speaker 1: crazy tweets about but you know I don't agree with them,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, I kind of think, let you let
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  Speaker 1: them be hoisted by their own petard, Let them be
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  Speaker 1: hanged by the rope. Give them enough rope and they'll
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  Speaker 1: hang themselves. I mean, and this is this is the
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  Speaker 1: thing you do. You do end up making it look
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  Speaker 1: like these are the guys who are the victims. They're
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  Speaker 1: the ones being censored by these powerful forces. And again
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  Speaker 1: this disguises the fact that it was you know, around
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  Speaker 1: Abil Fatar and Luis Adler who previously and they sort
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  Speaker 1: of again it's never it's never canceled culture when they're
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  Speaker 1: doing it, it's just problematic or you know, it's hate
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  Speaker 1: speed that they're going after, or maybe there's just a
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  Speaker 1: compact with the dates. And when they went after Thomas Friedman,
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  Speaker 1: moderate and moderate anti ne yahoo jew from New York
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  Speaker 1: and right to the New York Times. New York Times
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  Speaker 1: isn't exactly a fascist outlet last time I checked, But
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  Speaker 1: because he actually supported the right of Israel to exist.
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  Speaker 1: They were trying to stop them coming and then they succeeded.
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  Speaker 2: This is the problem as well with the left. And
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  Speaker 2: just to go that point, the left are the biggest
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  Speaker 2: hypocrites of them all, and this just exposes how hypocritical
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  Speaker 2: they are. And when all else fails, Notice they always
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  Speaker 2: bring up the same themes when they're the ones under attack. It's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, suddenly racism they've brought up, you know, aboriginally
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  Speaker 2: and this had nothing to do with the author of others,
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  Speaker 2: the Aboriginal author, but they like to bring up the
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  Speaker 2: same themes and it's almost it's just this real victim
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  Speaker 2: narrative that we see time and time again from the left.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually their only playbook that they've got. But it
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  Speaker 2: fails on them miserably. And I think people are starting
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  Speaker 2: to wake up and say, no, you know what, you're
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  Speaker 2: the problem, You're the issue, and it's time for you
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  Speaker 2: to start taking responsibility for your actions.
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  Speaker 1: And but again, like play the ball, Just play the ball. Na,
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  Speaker 1: it's okay to call a murdered ten year old girl
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  Speaker 1: a fascist? Is that okay? If that's okay, if that
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  Speaker 1: fits within your free speech, well good luck next time
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  Speaker 1: you come after.
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  Speaker 2: Me, no spot spot on. Now. Look, is it ever
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  Speaker 2: okay to put makeup on a baby? And is it
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  Speaker 2: ever okay to put makeup on that baby to then
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  Speaker 2: take photos of said child and post them on Instagram
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  Speaker 2: or any sort of social media platform. Well, unfortunately that's
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  Speaker 2: actually happening right now, as one author found out. Now
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  Speaker 2: this author, Kathy Lett, this is what she said. She
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  Speaker 2: was speaking to one of her friends, sotto voce and
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  Speaker 2: listen to this. She confirmed that her daughter had dabbed
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  Speaker 2: a little foundation to cover milk spots and a bit
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  Speaker 2: of blush to create a rosy cheeked versa charge for
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  Speaker 2: more impressive Instagram shots. I must have uttered a horrific
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  Speaker 2: gasp as she then went on to assure me that
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  Speaker 2: more and more parents are opting for a quote baby
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  Speaker 2: makeover or glow up, bronzer, lip gloss, and even nail
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  Speaker 2: polish and now regularly applied to infants who think their
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  Speaker 2: own foot is a fascinating new friend. And yet at
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  Speaker 2: another christening, this time for a baby boy, I was
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  Speaker 2: astounded to discover that even he was wearing eye makeup.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I just don't feel right,
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  Speaker 2: attending a social event where a male baby is wearing
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  Speaker 2: more makeup than I am, Well, Kathy, Kathy is absolutely
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  Speaker 2: spot on, to be honest, I feel quite disturbed reading this.
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  Speaker 2: What on earth is a baby doing with makeup on?
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  Speaker 2: And to me, look, you know, what you decide to
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  Speaker 2: do in your own house, and what parents decide to
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  Speaker 2: do is their own prerogative. But this takes it too far.
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  Speaker 2: And the other issue in this article they said that
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  Speaker 2: more and more dermatologists are finding teenagers are using retinol,
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  Speaker 2: which is like an anti aging moisturizer. More and more
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  Speaker 2: teens are asking for it, and many of them are
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  Speaker 2: prescription What on earth is a teenager doing with anti
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  Speaker 2: aging skincare? For goodness sake? Now, I do enjoy going
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  Speaker 2: on TikTok and I like looking at TikTok videos, and
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  Speaker 2: I am disturbed to see the amount of teenagers that
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  Speaker 2: do get Ready with Me videos where they pile themselves
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  Speaker 2: on with layers and layers of makeup, and they go
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  Speaker 2: from thirteen to thirty overnight. If you go into any
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  Speaker 2: of the makeup stores, for example, Sephora or Mecha again
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  Speaker 2: packed with children, these kids look twelve years old buying
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  Speaker 2: a crap ton of makeup. When I was at school,
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  Speaker 2: we used to have to wipe it off. We were
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  Speaker 2: never ever allowed. But as for a baby, I would
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  Speaker 2: love to say I wish I had skin like a
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  Speaker 2: baby for goodness sake, preserve their skin. And I worry
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  Speaker 2: about the consequences James, that these kids are going to
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  Speaker 2: grow up. There is already an issue with a lot
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  Speaker 2: of kids who are so self conscious these days, and
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  Speaker 2: it just leads to a lot of other issues and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of unintended consequences down the track when it
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  Speaker 2: comes to body image, to.
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  Speaker 3: You, for babies not cute enough as is, then now
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  Speaker 3: some icy ones as.
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  Speaker 4: Well, but you still love them right because they're babies,
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  Speaker 4: and that's the point.
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  Speaker 3: They're babies. They're not dolls.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to show up on Instagram with a
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  Speaker 4: perfectly looking, you know, made up baby, then buy a
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  Speaker 4: doll at the store, But don't use your own baby
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  Speaker 4: as a prop. This is one of the problems of
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  Speaker 4: social media right. It really is the ultimate look at me,
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  Speaker 4: and not just me, but look at how perfect my
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  Speaker 4: family is, my kids, And to go to these extreme
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  Speaker 4: lengths is pretty disturbing because you really are starting to
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  Speaker 4: use your own child.
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  Speaker 3: Really it's about making yourself look good, right, why else
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  Speaker 3: do that?
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  Speaker 4: It's very pageant, mum, It is very pageant mum.
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  Speaker 3: So then that goes to the point you said you
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  Speaker 3: go to Mecca. Is that the store?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Mecca?
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  Speaker 3: Because all these you know is pre teager than age girls.
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  Speaker 4: Well, no, wonder if parents have been instilling this from
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  Speaker 4: you know, the time they're born.
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  Speaker 3: Are we really surprised that?
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  Speaker 1: To be honest, it's not even that. So I was
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  Speaker 1: just completely amazed and blind. So my like, so my
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  Speaker 1: nine year old is obsessed with skincare obsessed with Mecha,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely loves her. I try to, you know, put a
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  Speaker 1: you know, like I get her some stuff, but it's
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  Speaker 1: just it's incredible and they get it. She's not on
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  Speaker 1: social media obviously, but they get all this stuff off
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  Speaker 1: YouTube and I think TikTok, although they're not meant to
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  Speaker 1: be watching TikTok and they don't have YouTube accounts, but
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  Speaker 1: they go on to it. They always find it, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just like it's just contagion. Like there's I think
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  Speaker 1: even like obviously if you're a mum or someone putting
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  Speaker 1: your baby on your Instagram account, I mean that's just
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  Speaker 1: obviously just ridiculously stupid and one of the reasons I'm
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  Speaker 1: just not on social media really at all anymore. But
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  Speaker 1: but it is, it is there, It is out there,
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  Speaker 1: is huge and one of the things that's just dawned
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  Speaker 1: on me. So I'm a bit slow, and it should
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  Speaker 1: have done on me a long, long, long, long time ago.
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  Speaker 1: But it's how incredibly kind of venal and inquisitive and
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  Speaker 1: greedy it makes kids like it really is, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I am not, I am not a socialist,
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  Speaker 1: like an absolutely prophecy that, but just that it really
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  Speaker 1: actually is all. I mean, my skepsism with social media
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  Speaker 1: has just never been more stronger than it is now.
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  Speaker 1: But it is just all about just driving sales, making
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  Speaker 1: them want these products. It is all they do. Like
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  Speaker 1: all these if you go to these YouTube videos, they're
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  Speaker 1: all incredibly wealthy Californian brats who go they go on
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  Speaker 1: shopping sprees and they get everything they want, or they're
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  Speaker 1: unboxing these incredibly hard to get latest toys that cost
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  Speaker 1: an absolute bomb. It's it is just absolutely right and
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  Speaker 1: what to do about it.
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  Speaker 2: But it's actually very easy to get influenced, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I I will admit I get very easily
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  Speaker 2: influenced by you see these ads pop up and they're
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  Speaker 2: very well placed. They almost don't look like ads. They
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  Speaker 2: know how to do it in a secret way. So
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  Speaker 2: no wonder kids are falling already.
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  Speaker 1: Is do you think it's your idol?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, playing a new video game. I got this new
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  Speaker 1: product that they love it. It is to Mecca and that
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look look at it. Absolutely frightening. Now, look, this is
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  Speaker 2: a really tragic story. There were two tourists who were
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  Speaker 2: traveling around Naples for a woman's thirtieth birthday back in
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  Speaker 2: twenty and twenty four, a couple and they were walking
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  Speaker 2: in one of the very busy areas of Naples when
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  Speaker 2: a thirteen year old boy dropped a it's a two
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  Speaker 2: kilo onyx statue. This is the CCTV vision that it
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  Speaker 2: is quite disturbing. This thirteen year old boy drops a
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  Speaker 2: two kilo onyx statue from a three story balcony and
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  Speaker 2: it hit this female tourist, Kiara jaconis in the head
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  Speaker 2: and you can see from that CCTV vision which we
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  Speaker 2: have blurred out obviously, she drops to the ground immediately
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  Speaker 2: because the impact is so severe her boyfriend rushes over
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  Speaker 2: to try and save her, and unfortunately she passed away
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  Speaker 2: from her injuries. Now, as I said, this was a
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  Speaker 2: teenage boy, but because he is underage, the court actually
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  Speaker 2: dismissed it. However, it's taken a turn in the last
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  Speaker 2: few days whereby prosecutors are looking to charge his parents
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  Speaker 2: with manslaughter because they claim that this could have been
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  Speaker 2: prevented had they supervised their child better. Now the parents
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  Speaker 2: are claiming that the statue did not belong to them,
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  Speaker 2: they said, and that they had no involvement, although it
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  Speaker 2: is alleged that this kid had carried out similar dangerous
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: acts in the past. Now this is actually the statue
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: you can see on your screen there. The parents have
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: appealed the court's decision to clear their son's name, not
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: due to his age, but they want him acquitted on
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: the basis of facts. Now here is what I think.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I think. I actually agree with this. I think that
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: the parents should take some responsibility here, particularly that fact
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: that I said. It is alleged the kid has carried
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: out similar dangerous acts in the past, so we can
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: say that this child potentially was troubled. We don't know
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: their background. We don't know the history, but given that
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: there is a history, that to me seems like a problem. Now,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: every child's actions, in my view, is a reflection of
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: the parent. It is a reflection of what happens at home.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: So I'm sorry. If you know that your child is
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: a menace to society, then you need to do something
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: about it. James, what do you think.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: I'm just trying to work out with her. I'm happy
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: with your comment that every action of a child is
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: reflecting I think when.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: They're eighteen, James, Okay, your boys. Your boys are twenty one, right,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: but you well, when they were under the age of eighteen,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: they are in your responsible right. So what they do,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: surely that is a reflection of the parenting and how
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: they are.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: You tell me, well, a failure to supervise would imply
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: that the parent knew what was happening. So if this boy,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: and we don't know the full details of the case,
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: but if this boy has a habit of tossing two
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: kilogram statues out the window from the first round building
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: and his parents did nothing to dissuade or discourage that,
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: then you're absolutely right, they would be liable and there's
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: precedent for this. There was a case in twenty twenty
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: four in the US where a kid went and committed
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: a school shooting and mum and dad got ten years
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: jail for involuntary manslaughter based on the fact that they
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: ignored warning signs regarding their son's behavior. They went and
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: bought him a weapon despite the fact that their son
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: had been playing up, and then they failed to lock
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: or secure the weapon.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: So there's a number of issues here.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: There's were the parents negligent, Were the parents enabling the crime,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: ie they bore the gun?
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Were the parents.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Directly involved in encouraging it? All of those ones are
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: fairly obvious. The one that is a little bit subjective
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: is was there a failure to supervise, which would be
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: the issue here, And the question becomes was this reasonably foreseeable?
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: So I'm probably in your camp on the details.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: We know if things like this had happened before, which
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: are clearly incredibly dangerous. We've got boys, Joe, Yes, young
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: boys do stupid things. I remember my son coming home saying, Dad,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: you've got to buy me.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: A new library book.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: I said, why do we need to buy you a
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: new library book? He said, well, the one I had
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: is on the roof. I said, how to get on
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: the roof? He said, I was throwing it up and
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: catching it and throwing it up and catch you.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I threw it up and landed on the roof and
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: he said that, like, you know obviously.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. How else do you think it got there?
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Next minute he was climbing up on the roof to
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: get it. Because I'm not buying him another one.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Now, if he did that repeatedly, now.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: I'm responsible, But I'm not responsible for the first act
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: of stupidity because.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: That's just a boy being an idiot.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: So I'm trying to say, if this was happening repeatedly
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: and his parents knew and did nothing to stop it,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: I e.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Put bars on the windows, Yeah, of course they're culpable.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got I've got. Look, I'm like with all
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: of you, and we don't know. Maybe this is a
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: kid who has massive sort of behavior or mental issues
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and you know they haven't been picked up because I
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: don't know it's Italy. Eh, what's that coming to go?
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. But assuming that it's not,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: because that hasn't been sort of mentioned as part of
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: any defense. I actually reckon, there was one thing that
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: really stood out to me in this whole thing that
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: set off a massive, massive red flag. And this is
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the parents saying, but hang on a minute, it wasn't
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: our statue. Yeah, yes, that does not strike me as
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: the sort of default defense of someone who takes responsibility
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: for things. It's like, hey, on, never mind that there's
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: a young woman who's dead, never mind the fact that
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: it was our son who through the projectile that killed them,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: never mind the fact that this is apparently not the
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: first time he's done this on our watch, in our home,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: in our custody. But I know, but it wasn't our statue.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Like to me, it's strung to me. Anyone who actually
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: would have the gumption to mount that defense, I think
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: is the sort of person who would just sort of
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: wash their hands of anything and try any kind of
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: you know, slippery, slipperier than an eel kind of defense
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: to get out of it. So on the basis of
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: that alone, I'm saying they're guilty.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah no, look, but look, you know what though, regardless,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: that is pretty tragic. You know, you go overseas, this
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: is a trip of a lifetime, it was for a birthday.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And you know we've all gone overseas before, and you
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: walk on these pathways, you never expect something like this
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: to happen. So overall it is a tragedy. Look, let's
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: change pace a little bit, ladies and gentlemen. Billionaire Elon
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Musk versus Australia. Yes, the tech billionaire. Our birth rate Now,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I haven't looked at this. This is extraordinary. There was
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: a tweet put up on X talking about the record
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: low birth rate in Australia, saying Australia's birth rate hits
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: another record low. Fertility falls to one point four right
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, second straight record low since nineteen
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: twenty four, projected to drop further to one point four
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: to two. And who had something to say about it
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: that you can see up the top? Elon? He says,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: quite Australians are becoming and endangered species. Well, I mean,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I personally wouldn't probably go that far, but let's but
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I did see that. It's well, look, Elon's been busy.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Elon's been busy over the years. Right, Elon's had fourteen
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: children by four different women. So if anyone can fix
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the birth rate it's Elon Musk, so if we need tips,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: please ask Elon. But he's actually not wrong. Have a
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: look at this from the Australian Bureau of Statistics. The
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: total fertility rate required for a play is considered to
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: be around two point one babies per woman to replace
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: herself and her partner in the absence of overseas migration.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Australia's total fertility rate was oney four hundred and eighty
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: one babies per woman in twenty twenty.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Four one four eight one point four Sorry anyone who
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: had so sorry that was that would be Even Catholics
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: don't have that many.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: The contact lenses are a bit blurry this hour one
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: point four eight one billion babies per woman, lower than
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three one point fort nine and the
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: rate ten years ago one point seven. That was back
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: in the twenty fourteen. So I wouldn't I probably wouldn't
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: go as far as to saying we're being endangered species.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: But look, we've discussed this before. Obviously Australia does have
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: an impact with their birth rate. I think cost of
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: living has a lot to do with it. The housing crisis.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: People want to be able to afford a child and
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: this very very expensive environment. But I also think that
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: women are staying in the workforce longer, women are focusing
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: more on their careers, but having babies later on in life.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: There's no rule incentives. I mean, we've spoken about the
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: baby bonus on this show before, James by way of
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: trying to inc incentivize women. So I wouldn't go as
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: far as saying we're endangered. But I do think that
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Australia has to have options because we can't just keep
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: relying on immigration to prop up our population.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: That's clearly the strategy. So Elon Musk has got a
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: very good point. Or maybe if you framed it like this,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Australia as we've always known it is in danger of disappearing,
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: because if you have Australia but with completely different people,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: is it still Australia or is it something else? Mark
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Stein made that comment about Europe, where you see a
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: whole influx of people from other parts of the world
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: into Europe.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: So the question.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Becomes does Europe remain Europe if it's got people who
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: aren't European dominating it.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: It's a conversation worth having.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: What I thought was interesting about this was the reaction
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: to it, and people reacted not by discussing, Look, that
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: is an issue. Should we do things to help the
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: birth rate? They just got angry at Elon Musk and said,
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: what's all right for you? You're a multi billionaire, so
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: you can afford to have how many is at fourteen child?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Fourteen by four women?
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they said, don't get mad at us.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: We don't have your sort of cash, so you know,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: it's not our fault, which again is one of those
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: It's a symptom of the age, isn't it, Joe. It's
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: everyone responds defensively rather than dealing with the issue at hand,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: which is do we have a problem in this country
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: with low birth rates?
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: And what do we intend to do about it?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Look, I think certainly the cost of living, we
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: know is a factor. Like I've done stories or looked
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: at stories where where people are moving further and further
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: away from the CBDs because that's the only place they
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: can afford to buy a house, and they want to
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: buy a house and have a steady home and income
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: before they have kids. And that's all well and good,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and yes, the birth rate is getting lower and lower,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: but we haven't been at replacement level since the year
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: of my birth, incidentally, which is ninety eighty seven. Yeah,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: eighteen forty two, but nineteen seventy six.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Was that your horse and cart.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: So you know. So so that was again in the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: middle of a very very similar economic crisis and oil crisis, stagflation,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: all that stuff. Maybe that's what spook people. But there's
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: been plenty of good times ever since, and that birth
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: rate hasn't gone back up, which is why Peter Costello
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: said we've got to know, roll out the baby bugs
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and said you've got to have one for one for
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: dad and one for the country. And people just have
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: not been doing that. And so I don't actually think
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: cost of living I'm sure as a factor now as
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: to when people are having their babies, but I think
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: if you really want to have kids, you're going to
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: do it, and you're going to find a way to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: do it. It's not the sort of things that I
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: can only you know, I wanted too, but I can
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: only afford one.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Kids have been seen as a burden motherhood. I think
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: it's been seen as oppressive. So you've got all those factors.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: To do with oppression that I don't think it's an oppression.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Either, but it's been sold that way.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's been sold a pressure mummy'd.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Be stuck at home and missing all these I don't
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: think it's so much about but I think it's a lifestyle.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Not about that. I think, I agree, I tend to.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I do agree. I think it's more a lifestyle choice
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: these days, and I do obviously constantly.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: To clarify it.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying I believe it's an oppression and you're
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: going to be seven.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I know that's the way motherhood is often portrayed.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I think the time was just assumed that you would
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: be the mum, you'd stay at home, you'd have as
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: many knif you Catholic, you know you have any kids
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: has come but you know, but you would, you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: and that is just what you would do. And I
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: think with women say well, I want a career and
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I want to be able to live my own life.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: And I just think about so if we're talking about
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six, as you know, zero hour, when we
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: went from replacement to below two, I think of every
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: single like I was one of three, but I think
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: of every single one of my friends, all to my
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: wife one of two, my best mate one of two,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: my other best made school one of two. Another friend
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: of mine in Union was just one. My good Maltese
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Catholic friends are about five of them.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Contact list here.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're Joe's gotta list out every single Yeah. But look,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: you know what, there is obviously a problem. I don't
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: think we're becoming an endangered species. I'd like to think
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: we're not becoming an endangered species. But you know who
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: is becoming an endangered species? Apparently women, young women, because well,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: men are apparently now driven to cougars. Okay, they are
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: driven to dating older women. Cookooka chew missus Robinson's style here.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: But this is quite fascinating. Fascinating because there was an
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: article that was published I think it was in the
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: New York Times that actually confirmed this that a lot
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: of younger men are drawn to women who are the
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: same age as their mother, which makes me feel a
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: little bit sick to think about. To be whatever floats
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: your boat. And they actually were interviewing people on a
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: dating website older women, and the women were speculating, oh,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: is it because maybe I've got more experience that I
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: can show them a few tricks, or maybe it is
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: because I remind them of their mothers. Again that makes
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: me feel a little bit sick of the mouth. But
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: according just some new research that's come out, it's actually
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: because too many young women are angry and men are
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: looking for stable relationships and they don't want any toxicity. Now,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: before I make my point on this, I'm going to
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: say it reminds me of this.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: My God's see missus rats and here we are.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: You got me into your house.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: You give me a drink, you put on music.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Now you start opening up your personal life to me
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: and tell me your husband won't be home for hours.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: So this is rabins and your train to seduce me.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's apparently you know art iat life
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: irritating art.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: If somebody's what I think about it. So that's not
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: what you're meant to say.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so no, that's true. Well I don't know. Apparently,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Apparently it works. Okay, So my point
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: on this is I think that I think that me
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Too movement right has had a significant impact on relationships
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and the way that men are viewed, and I think
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: this is entirely unfair. I think that there are a
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: lot of women who are not saying every woman, but
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of man haters, a lot of
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: women lob all men into one category that they are
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: horrible and terrible. And I won't deny that there are
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of terrible men, as they are a lot
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: a lot of terrible women, but there are also a
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: lot of good men. And that is why I think
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: where this toxicity comes from, it that they're saying that
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: women are angry. I just also think these documentaries that
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: we're seeing coming out, like the Manisphere that the louis
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: through one again, it's lobbing all men into this one category, James,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: and I think social media is playing a big part
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: of it. But I'm keen to get two male opinions
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: on why young men are dating are dating women the
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: same age as their mothers?
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Well, they got evidence of that, or is it more
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: the fact that there's evidence that young women are saying
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: we either don't like men or we don't need men,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: and then the assumption is that men will have to
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: find older mates.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Well, you know it was by the New York Times
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: actually did a study on this one, and that they
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: did find that there is a trend where men are men.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: It was like an app. It was for dating apps
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: where men are like extending the age on dating apps
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: look for older women.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: There was a figure that said thirty eight percent of
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: men said they feel very positively about women, but less
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: than half that only eighteen percent of women say the
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: same thing about men. So I think the question is,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I suppose have men been, you know, put into this
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: great sort of big basket, whether it's all toxic masculinity,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: and everyone sort of gets lumped in their younger women saying, oh, no,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: we don't really like men whatsoever. And so all those
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: men who the women don't like to think, well, I'll
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: find someone who does like me. And that's women of
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: a generation ago, who you know, like missus Robinson might
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: be there at the bar.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Where does one find their prince charming when they're all
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: dat dating men the age of their mothers?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: For goodness, Look, I love a cougar, not as much
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: as cayleb Bond, But.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Where's Caleb when you need him? Where is Caleb?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: On hand?
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: And actually a full disclosure? Can I just say full
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: disclosure here? It was actually Caleb Bond who said to
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: me this morning, you should you should cover that story tonight,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: so I actually suggested he suggested it. So Caleb, if
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: you're watching, we would have loved your opinions on this.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I was about to rip out my nursing home jokes
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: and I better do that. None of men, look, it's
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: it's it's extraordinary. Let's go to the UK now. Now
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: to me, I'll ask you the question, do you think
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: this is racist? I think it's racist, but depends on
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: who you're asking. There were Muslim only flat rentals being
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: advertised in parts of London, so if you have a
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: look at this, they were saying things like one double
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: room available to bed space available, but the have it
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: here is only for girls and suitable for Gujarati Muslim
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: student only. Then the other one goes two professional boys
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: and girls only for Muslims. Message on WhatsApp, so on
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: and so forth. This was part of a fascinating investigation
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: actually by the UK Telegraph, and one of the journalists
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: called one of the real estate agents over there and said, well,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I'm not a Muslim? Can I still apply for this property?
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: And this was the exchange I saw it on it
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: though it said it's available for Muslim boy or Muslim girl.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not a Muslim, would I still be able to
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: rend it at all? Please?
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Is there just anything I could reasonably say or do
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: as a non Muslim in which you'd rent.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: This to me?
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: And so the answer was no, you cannot apply a
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: few points on this one. This is completely illegal. It's
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: actually illegal under the Equality Act. So any of these
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: real estate agents or any of these landlords could find
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: themselves and should find themselves in trouble over this. Secondly,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: imagine if it was advertising for Christian or Catholic Catholic
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: flats only imagine the outcry from the left. For goodness sake,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: they would absolutely go to chowd on thesemates, straight flatmates,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: straight flat And the third thing is that you know
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Britain's in the middle of a housing crisis as well.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: How many Brits have missed out now on a potential
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: property because they're only as saying no, only Muslims can apply.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I just think the double standards again of the left,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: because not the Left aren't covering this at all, James.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I've noticed the only UK publications that are covering this
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: are the Telegraph and the likes of gb News, and
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: these are full investigations. But the Left, I want to
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: touch it.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Well, could you imagine if someone was advertising for white
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: flatmates only, it would be in every newspaper and on
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: every television station before you can say racist. So the
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: test here is whether, as you say, this is illegal
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: presumably in the UK, is whether anybody is brought to
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: task over this or whether it's let go, Because as
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: I said, if it was the other way around, you
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: can be absolutely sure the police would be on the doorsteps.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: You don't have to imagine though. That's an incredible thing.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: So there was an incredibly famous moment in British history
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: called the Windrush, which was symbolic for the first kind
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: of big influx of migrants from all over the Commonwealth.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: This is post World War two and basically England didn't
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: have enough labor to common story, it didn't have enough jobs,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: didn't have enough sorry workers to fill the jobs that
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: needed to rebuild, and so all British subjects were allowed
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: to return to the home counties under the law at
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the time, and this included a huge amount of people
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: from South Asia i Muslims, and they were being met with,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you know, advertisements from landlords or notes in the door
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: saying you room to let no Blacks, no Irish, no whatever, whatever, whatever,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: And this court well obviously was incredibly distressing to the
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: people who had come there. And so this is exactly
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the sort of racism that has been perpetuated against Muslims
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and against other people just half a century ago. And
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: now they're sort of doing the whole thing again and
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: not sort of realizing. I find it staggering.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Well, it is racist, but you know, again, it depends
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: on who you ask this day and age. Stay with us.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, we'll take a look at
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: the front pages and we'll tell you about the three
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: words that kept a man sane while he was stuck
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: in shark infested waters off Queensland. That's next. Welcome back.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Let's take a look at tomorrow's front pages, starting with
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: The Australian. A bit about Ben Roberts Smith. There ahead
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: of Anzac Day. It says BRS was planning a move
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: to Spain. Ben Robert Smith was about to buy a
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: wellness business in Barcelona and start a new life in
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Spain with his girlfriend when he was arrested on war
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: crimes charges this month. Newly released court documents reveal the
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: former soldier also looked at buying a sunshade business in Thailand,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: and has visited an avocado farm in Mianmar before he
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: and partner Sarah decided to move to Spain, where some
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: of his former Special Forces friends lived, but also there.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: It says that Brs has declared that Anzac Day is
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: so sacred that his prosecution for war crime related murder
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: won't stop him from attending the public commemorations on Saturday.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: In a move that threatens to overshadow the one hundred
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: and eleventh anniversary of the Gallipoli landings, a day of
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: solemn remembrance for Australians, Mister Robert Smith will front an
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Anzac Day event in Queensland and defy reported calls by
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: some of his supporters to boycott the annual services and marchers.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: You know what, I think, good on him. You know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: in the end, whatever you think of Ben Robert Smith,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: he is still a war hero and he's still fought
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: for this country. He showed immense bravery. And it's been
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: interesting listening to you know, Joffrey. It's given. For example,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: was on Sharry Marks and Show tonight and even he
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: said that there is it's almost like it's overshadowed and
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Zach Day what has occurred here. So whenever you think
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: about Ben Robert Smith, I personally think good on him,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: that he's that he's still proud I forget out there.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, I mean, I think obviously, I mean,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it'll be very interesting court case,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and I don't think it's all the sort of big
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: conspiracy that a lot of Ben Robert Smith's supporters think
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: it is. But I do think he has every right
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: to go to anne Zac Day. I do think, I know,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I think, quite frankly, he will be mobbed. I think
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: he's got that many supporters, huge number of supporters, obviously
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: in the military, and you just look at the number.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, Ben Robert Smith has the biggest chest I
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: have ever seen in my life, the broadest chest I've
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: ever seen in my life, and he's got so many
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: medals that they can't even fit on it. So I
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: think he's got every right to attend, and I think
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: it was the right decision to make sure he was
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: out of jail to them.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: I think it's absolutely true that his attendance at Anzac
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: Day will overshadow the event itself, that will be the
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: news story. But is that his fault or is that
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: the fault of officials who turned his arrest into a
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: melodrama that Taps did not need to be. So you're
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: innocent until proven guilty, So why should he not go
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: to the ANZAC day service. I agre if And when
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: he's found guilty in the court of law, all right,
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: then there's a conversation to be had.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: But until then he's free to do it.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: And he also wants to stand side by side with
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: his fellow soldiers as well. He wants to be there
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: to support them too, So I think good on him.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: The other headline on the front page of the Australian
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: GST creep hits elderly exclusive. Thereby Matthew Cranston aging Australians
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: will be vulnerable to hire retirement costs after the Albanese
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: government quietly expanded the GST base to include optional living
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: fees in aged care homes, a move that could deliver
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: up to two hundred and fifty million dollars in extra
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: revenue a year and help payoff state governments exposed to
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: rising NDIS and healthcare costs. Labour used the ministerial determination
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: without any public consultation that will leave additional age care
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: living agreements without a GST exemption, potentially hitting more than
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand people in the next few years with
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: higher costs. Well, I mean, you know, again another result
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: of record government spending. They're looking to pay costs somewhere.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: So what is it the old saying, robbing Peter to
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: pay Paul. That's my opinion of it.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Joe, Yeah, exactly, robbed the young to feed the.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Old, or rob the Maybe that's what it is.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll be happy on the Daily Telegraph tomorrow as
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: a and this I have to say. I knew it
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: was not going to go away, and it's back again.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Vic Bidder says the headline. And it's not about Victorian's
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: being ever more miserable in the case this case, it's
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: about the plan to sell Victoria Barracks, which is for
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: those into state, is a bit of prime real estate
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: in Sydney and Paddington the Eastern suburbs, but has been
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: the historic headquarters of the Australian military. Australian Army in
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: New South Wales. Don't sell our national security, says veterans
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: exclusive by Peter Jenkins, RSL Bosses have pleaded with the
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Albanezi government to put national security head of short term
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: financial gain. As the battle over Victoria Ballocks Barracks escalated yesterday,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Submissions to a Senate inquiry into Labour's plans to sell
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: more than sixty defense sites around the country were published
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: online and include a scathing review from the National Veterans Body.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: The twenty three page RSL Australia document, made public in
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the countdown to ANZAC Day, outlined how thousands of serving
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: and formerly serving members have raised concerns. There are so
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: many people who have, including a State labor and p
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I know who served in the army, who have just
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: such a strong emotional attachment to Victoria Barracks. It's historic,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: It's where a lot of them, you know, it's where
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of them cut their teeth when they first
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: joined the military. I think, you know, and I know
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: that for the government it kind of doesn't make sense
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: on VAPA to have this land worth I don't know,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: probably billions of dollars potentially if it was developed to
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: then you know, when when the army could be somewhere
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: far more practical. The Army does not need to be
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: you know, sipping long Maciado's in Oxford Street, Paddington. But
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: you know, does history count for something? Does it?
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: Our think so?
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Anyway, So I don't think. I don't think. I think
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Vic Barrats will go. That's my hot hot mail. But
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: but yeah it will.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: Be, remains me saying, all right, let's go to the
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: front page of the Herald's son and I cannot believe
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: this story. The headline reads vile Pussy sues cops. Notorious
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: driver who filmed dying offices after crash that killed four
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: launchers law set lawsuit against Victoria Police for trauma and
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: loss of his Porsche. Mean if you remember this story
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: the Eastern Freeway tragedy. Menace, who once dubbed himself Australia's
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: most hated man, is suing Victoria Police for the distress
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: he claims he suffered in which missing the horror crash
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: that killed four officers. Richard Pussy, who filmed dead and
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: dying officers after the twenty twenty tragedy, claims he was
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: traumatized by witnessing the deaths of the police who pulled
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: him over for driving his Porsche at high speed, and
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: he also says his wrecked car was valued at four
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty thousand dollars and presumably wants compensation for
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: that as well.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: That's nice to make you feel sicken. What what he
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: is vile? This is disgusting. Where is the respect for
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the families? This guy wants money, right and he wants
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: to me back in the headlines. Absolutely disgusting.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: It'd be interesting to know which lawyer is representing him too.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, good point.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: As gross as that is, imagine if you agreed to
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: represent someone like that.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Well you have to. It's the first cup off the
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: rank rule. So unless you can find and you can
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: do it, there's ways around it. You can find it,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: can find an excuse. But I was actually just listening
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the other day to a podcast about an international lawyer
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: who who slobbed and Molossovich asked to represent him when
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: he was charged with war crimes and genocide and everything,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: and he thought, fantastic, this is the case of a century,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: this is the case of a lifetime. You know, this
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: has been the most fascinating thing, and was like, yep,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: all right, well I've got no choice. First came off
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: the rank and his wife said, if you do this
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I'll divorce you. Oh wow, due to personal reasons, I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: do it. That's it.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look at the Courier Mail. Fascinating there.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I survived twenty hours lost at sea. A diver loss
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: at sea in shark infested waters off North Stradbroke Island
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: has revealed the three words that kept him saying during
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: the terrifying twenty hour ordeal don't look down. In an
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: exclusive interview with The Courier Mail, dive instructor Daniel Fitzgerald
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: says a promise to his wife to always come home
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: helped him survive as he swam with students Stu Fileman
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: at one point in total darkness to conserve torch power.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Twenty hours lost at sea. Can you imagine that? And
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: you know the fact your brain goes into it, You're going
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: to fight or fly?
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: The fact that he was just thinking about those three
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: words over and over. But I cannot imagine being stuck
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: out there for twenty.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Three words that stuck to me were shark infested waters.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: That is my ult ultimate ultimate nightmare. Did you know
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: this is exactly the plot of a movie, the movie
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Open Water? Do you remember that? Which I think it
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: was actually based on another true story. So it's life
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: imitating art imitating life. But yeah, divers who were left
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: behind in shark infested borders off Queensland.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: It's an amazing story for this guy to well.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: You know, story than the last one any darkness as well. No,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: that's it all right, we're going to take a quick break.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Coming up next, the robots are at it again, still
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: winning competitions. Are they just going to outpace us at everything?
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: That's next? Welcome back? Well, they say there is a
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: bear in there? Is that the old song? But what
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: happens when a bear goes up? A true Yes, this
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: actually happened in New York, forcing an hour's long stand
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: off to try and get this cub from the tree,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: and finally he was tranquilized and fell out very safely.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Have a look how it unfolded.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: My god, Look, the cub was fine.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Let's just make that very funny.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Happened after that franked it at the top of a
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: tree where.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: They thought it would fall out, which is why they
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: had the knit.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that looks like it might have hurt itself.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it was, I mean, what else do
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: you do when it's out walking? In the middle of suburbia. Joe,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: you got no choice, You're going to go.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: No, that's a bit outside of my skill set. I
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: can do a thing where I can catch a spider
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: with a piece of paper and a glass, but bears
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: are a bit outside.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Of where the bear was fine. At least the bear
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: was fine.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Good to hear, right.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure how I feel about this next story.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: I like ping pong as much as the next guy,
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: but is it really good news that they've created a
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: robot that can pretty much beat all comers at table tennis?
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Have look at this vision.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: This robot beat easily a number of elite table tennis players,
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: although it did struggle when they introduced some professional players.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: But this robot was able to master spin difficult shots.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Even where the other player hit the ball and it
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: tipped the net, the robot was able to adjust and
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: return it. The robot did, of course, have some advantages.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: The human player had two eyes, the robot had multiple
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: cameras letting it know which direction and what the spin
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: was on the ball, and had an eight jointed arm
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: as well, which I suggest is probably a little bit
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: of an advantage.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: They're overtaking us. I mean that they're overtaking us. A
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago where we spoke about the robots
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: that were attacking old women in the streets, and now
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: we've got robots winning marathons, and now we've got robots
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: beating professional players at ping pong.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: So I think the point here is not so much
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: that it's an amazing ping pong player. The point is
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: engineering is coming going a long way, and what they
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: can do now is quite But.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Also, what's the point what's the point of having any
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: sport anymore? If robots can just do it better all
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: of us. One thing robots cannot do, though, is have
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: a heart, and there's a lot of heart in this
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: next story. This is footage of two marathon runners, I
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: think it was the Boston Marathon, who were running along
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: and they saw one of the runners had collapsed and
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: they were both the two of them both headed for
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: personal bests. That's the most spin they could put on
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: this year, I think, personal best. But instead they sacrificed
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: that have a look at this and shed a tear.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Isn't that beautiful? So they sacrificed their own moment to
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: make sure that this guy could finish, and that is
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: something that no robot can ever replace, although the race
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: was actually won by a robot.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Do you know what, though, in a world where there's
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of crap going on, to see something like that,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: it just warms your heart, doesn't it that there are
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: very good people. There are good people, James, great to
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: have you both great to be as Stay with us.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: The Rita Panahy Show is next.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Good Night,