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Hutton & Withrow: Lane Kiffin vs. the SEC: College Football’s Eligibility Fight Gets Ugly | Hour 1 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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Speaker 1: We are out of the gates on Sporting State.
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Speaker 2: It's Hutton and Withrow, Monday morning. Glad you're with us. Withrow,
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Speaker 2: here we go again. We're presented by Hard Rock Bet.
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Speaker 2: A lot to get to as we kick off the week, man.
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Speaker 1: Hutton, it's the first Monday that we have college football
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Speaker 1: to discuss. We've got a full preseason for the Titans
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Speaker 1: to get into and an NFL team to cross the league.
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Speaker 1: We've got Will Levis, no longer the franchise quarterback of
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Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans officially.
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Speaker 2: No, he's not.
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Speaker 1: He's gone. And we got people across the Big Ten,
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Speaker 1: you know, hey, Big Ten arguing right now just means
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Speaker 1: more for them. They're the better conference. Hard to argue
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Speaker 1: against that right now. But when it comes to support
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Speaker 1: across every single program in the Big Ten, they are
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Speaker 1: still woefully lacking compared to the SEC, as we saw
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Speaker 1: with a couple of fan bases.
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Speaker 2: Man, how about just the Week Zero reactions? I hate
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Speaker 2: saying Week Zero, by the way. I still hate it.
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Speaker 2: But it was good to see football on the screen, nonetheless.
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Speaker 2: I'm never going to complain about watching football again. Unless
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Speaker 2: it's preseason football. I don't know why I subjected myself
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Speaker 2: to go in to even cover the Titans preseason game
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Speaker 2: against the Bears. But I did.
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Speaker 1: There's a special place in NFL heaven for any fan
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Speaker 1: who paid money to go to that game on Saturday night.
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Speaker 2: I guess that's what the USC fans are thinking.
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Speaker 1: You get the free Sunday ticket in heaven. You get
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Speaker 1: all the perks of a season ticket holder for every
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Speaker 1: NFL fan base. If you actually handed money over to
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Speaker 1: any organization to watch a final preseason game and you
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Speaker 1: sat in the sun at any of these games or
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Speaker 1: in any type of heat and drove and tried to
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Speaker 1: park to go to a game, there is a special
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Speaker 1: seat in heaven reserved for you.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and does that mean it's the opposite if you
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Speaker 2: told fans you were playing starters for the first half
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Speaker 2: of your final press conference?
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Speaker 1: That is a great bait and switch for the Titans,
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Speaker 1: said Robert Zala.
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Speaker 2: It really was.
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Speaker 1: You're going to see Cam Ward again. oh, hey, by
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Speaker 1: the way, psych, we're going to see if Will Levis
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Speaker 1: can play well enough so we can trade him. And
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Speaker 1: guess what?
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Speaker 2: He didn't. Docker.
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Speaker 3: I know.
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Speaker 1: By the way, Clay's taking a victory lap over being
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Speaker 1: the only one who didn't like the Will Levis pick.
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Speaker 1: I will raise my hand and say, I never even
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Speaker 1: jokingly said he was good the way Clay did. And
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Speaker 1: Kelly in Vegas just nailed him for that because he
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Speaker 1: was being sarcastic after the one good performance against the Falcons.
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Speaker 1: Never liked the pick. Never thought it was going to work.
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Speaker 1: Didn't like the fact that when he had time with
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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning at that quarterback camp that was on ESPN,
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Speaker 1: his first question was, how do you go about marketing yourself?
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Speaker 1: And Peyton Manning's response was, why don't you worry about
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Speaker 1: being a good quarterback before you worry about your marketing?
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Speaker 1: I knew right then it was going to be a disaster,
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Speaker 1: and it was.
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Speaker 2: Well, because less than a year later, he does a
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Speaker 2: mayonnaise commercial. And that was only second most embarrassing compared
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Speaker 2: to the memes that he was known for after every game.
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Speaker 2: It was a total disaster, man. I've got so many
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Speaker 2: thoughts on that. How do you not view Lincoln Riley
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Speaker 2: right now as that? Didn't the fan base say everything?
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Speaker 1: I mean, yes. Look, just knee-jerk reaction to college football.
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Speaker 1: Week zero, as we're going to call it here. I
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Speaker 1: know there was a heat advisory in L.A.
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Speaker 2: It was like 92 degrees.
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Speaker 1: That kickoff, right? It's going to be hot everywhere in America.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to 10 a.m. in Nashville.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to right now in Nashville.
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Speaker 2: And welcome to Los Angeles. Welcome to Los Angeles. Yes.
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Speaker 1: When you're not on the coast in L.A., it gets hot.
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Speaker 1: And that is not on the coast where they play
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Speaker 1: at USC. There is a heat advisory. We all understand that.
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Speaker 1: People are saying you're going to push games early and
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Speaker 1: early into August. It's going to be a problem with
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Speaker 1: global warming and it being so hot and everything else.
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Speaker 1: That is a specific fan base problem. They are not
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Speaker 1: excited about USC. They're not excited about Lincoln Riley. It
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Speaker 1: is a very fickle sports market to begin with in
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles. There's obviously a lot of options of things
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Speaker 1: to do, and it was an embarrassing turnout from their
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Speaker 1: fan base. It was even worse at Stanford. You know
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Speaker 1: the empty seats Twitter page?
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I thought this was a joke. I think I saw
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Speaker 1: our friend Janine Edwards repost this Stanford kickoff. The USC
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Speaker 1: thing is on video. I've seen it. the NBC, the
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Speaker 1: 360 cam go around the stadium as kickoff's happening, that
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Speaker 1: you could see a screenshot of it right here where
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Speaker 1: it's a terrible crowd. That Stanford crowd, I thought this
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Speaker 1: had to be like a spring game from five years
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Speaker 1: ago that someone's attached themselves to and put it out.
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Speaker 1: It looks that bad.
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Speaker 2: It looks like what Minneapolis, whenever the Titans played at Minnesota,
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Speaker 2: it was week two of the COVID season. And I
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Speaker 2: was on the road in the visiting radio booth. No
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Speaker 2: one in the stadium, but there was an NFL game
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Speaker 2: going on. That's what it looked like to me, Jeff,
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Speaker 2: from that view of the press box from Gene.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it when I saw it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: that is putrid. I don't want to hear excuses. What
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Speaker 1: did you say on Friday about Stanford's NIL? Well, they're
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Speaker 1: trying to up the game with Andrew Luck and everything. Hutton,
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Speaker 1: we called a game at Page High School. Mark knows
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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about on Friday night. I think there
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Speaker 1: were more people at Page than there were at Stanford.
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Speaker 1: I really do believe that the crowd at Page was
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Speaker 1: bigger than Stanford for kickoff. When you think about all
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Speaker 1: the people around the stadium, the support is not going
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Speaker 1: to be good enough. And again, this is what... Big
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Speaker 1: Ten people get pissed off about this because, hey, guys,
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Speaker 1: we're winning national titles. That's what you bragged about. Now
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Speaker 1: we're doing it. Now we're the best conference. That's fine.
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Speaker 1: If your one barometer is a national title, yes, the
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Speaker 1: Big Ten is better. Yes, the Big Ten has powerful
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Speaker 1: programs with huge support that are winning at a high
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Speaker 1: level and getting some of the best players in college football. Also, yes,
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Speaker 1: the bottom of your conference is not as good as
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Speaker 1: the bottom of the SEC's conference. Period.
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Speaker 2: That's like telling the SEC Missouri's their problem if they
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Speaker 2: came in and they were 600 fans in. And now look,
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 1: Stanford's not in the Big Ten, so take them out
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Speaker 1: of the equation. USC is in the Big Ten. But, Hutton,
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Speaker 1: there's also a common problem here with misfits. Nothing makes
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Speaker 1: sense about Stanford and the ACC. That's why Andrew Luck
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Speaker 1: has such a tough job to get support and get
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Speaker 1: people wanting to go there because people aren't getting excited
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Speaker 1: about Stanford taking on Boston College in a conference game.
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Speaker 1: or Stanford playing Virginia in a conference game. It's a
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Speaker 1: tough sell for people on the West Coast, and clearly
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Speaker 1: college football is a tough sell for people at Stanford
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Speaker 1: right now because no one wanted to go watch their
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Speaker 1: team kick off the season.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're Stanford, I guess you do the
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Speaker 2: ACC thing so you can play Olympic sports competitively at
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Speaker 2: a D1 level, Power 4 level. I don't know. It's
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Speaker 2: their leadership's fault in the Pac-12. Ultimately, the same thing
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Speaker 2: for USC or all of them. They're all in that
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Speaker 2: same boat. Where else do they go? Big 12 didn't
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Speaker 2: really pony up until they picked up who they wanted
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Speaker 2: to pick up. It's crazy, man.
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Speaker 1: You go to Stanford because of Stanford. It's a great school.
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Speaker 1: It's Palo Alto. We all know why you would go
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Speaker 1: to Stanford. But just from a football, any competition rivalry standpoint,
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Speaker 1: once the Pac-12 dissolved... Those teams, those schools, they're homeless
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Speaker 1: in terms of conference. No one cares about Stanford and
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Speaker 1: the ACC. Stanford is Stanford on its own merit. No
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Speaker 1: one cares about going there for that reason. USC, and look,
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Speaker 1: here's the other knee-jerk reaction for this week. I think
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Speaker 1: there are at least two jobs that are going to
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Speaker 1: be open that are big at the end of the year.
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Speaker 1: Florida State looked pathetic. Against New Mexico State. That was
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Speaker 1: way too much of a dogfight in week one for
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Speaker 1: a team that I think was like a 30-point, 38-point
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Speaker 1: favorite to win 34-17. And then USC, I'm watching that
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Speaker 1: second half. I know they're up 28-0 at halftime, but
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Speaker 1: they sleepwalked against San Jose State. San Jose State allowed
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Speaker 1: them to, I think they win by 16. In the end,
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Speaker 1: a very uninspired performance, which, Hutton, I think uninspired is
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Speaker 1: the word you could use to sum up the entire
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Speaker 1: Lincoln-Riley experiment at USC so far.
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Speaker 2: Totally agree with you, man. Not uninspired. UNLV and Memphis.
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Speaker 2: How long did you stay up to watch this game, Jack?
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Speaker 2: Because I watched all of it.
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Speaker 1: I did not stay up late enough to watch all
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Speaker 1: of it.
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Speaker 2: I saw the highlights. It was a blast.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you watched.
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Speaker 2: It, Hutton.
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Speaker 1: I love our guy Charles Huff.
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Speaker 2: Me too.
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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm texting with Coach Huff right now,
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Speaker 1: and we hope to get him on either tomorrow or Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: Did you see him get the personal foul he got
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Speaker 2: unsportsmanlike on him? Yes. I did see that on the highlights.
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Speaker 2: I thought back to our interview with him. I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I have a feeling. Because we talked about officials and
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Speaker 2: their conversations on the sideline. And he's just like, I'm
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Speaker 2: a player. I love that guy. He is all player,
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Speaker 2: player coach. So, you know, well done by him. Also,
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Speaker 2: I mean, just UNLV, too. That was a great back
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Speaker 2: and forth. Timmy B. Tim Brando crushed it on the call, too.
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Speaker 2: He starts talking about his golf game, okay? his handicap.
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Speaker 2: Then he talked about his belt size. He goes, and
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Speaker 2: I'll stop there because it kept going lower.
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Speaker 1: The sound of Timmy B. Hutton sounds like college sports,
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Speaker 1: not just football, but he's so well-versed in college basketball too.
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Speaker 1: So it was good hearing his voice as sort of
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Speaker 1: a soundtrack of the start of college football. That game delivered.
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Speaker 1: The other games did not. Another takeaway, how about Virginia
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Speaker 1: over NC State? I think NC State may have a
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Speaker 1: coaching vacancy at the end of the year because they
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Speaker 1: look terrible.
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Speaker 2: And how about Carolina?
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Hey, Bill Belichick. Here's my question to you, Hunt. And look,
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Speaker 1: I think you could answer, hey, all of this could
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Speaker 1: be true in some way. Was this a return to, okay,
9:47
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, we forgot that the dude knows how to
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Speaker 1: coach ball. And this team is going to overachieve all year.
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Speaker 1: And they're going to be a lot better than anyone
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Speaker 1: expected because Bill Belichick was motivated throughout all the turmoil
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Speaker 1: with the and now he's ready to deliver some receipts
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Speaker 1: that he kept with some people. Or was this simply
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Speaker 1: a bad weather game with a good defensive-minded head coach
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Speaker 1: in Bill Belichick, and we're going to look back at
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Speaker 1: the end of the year and say, remember when North
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Speaker 1: Carolina beat TCU? How crazy was that? and how that
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Speaker 1: was just a weird one-off anomaly. Which one do you
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Speaker 1: fall on when you watch North Carolina and Belichick?
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Speaker 2: Okay, right now I fall on the latter because I
10:27
Speaker 2: also watched Colorado beat the brakes off of TCU one
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Speaker 2: year to open the season. I also remember Ken Wisenhunt,
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Speaker 2: and I'm not trying to compare the two and the
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Speaker 2: NFL level, but when you have an all-off season opportunity
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Speaker 2: for coaches to game plan and scout another opponent, Generally,
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Speaker 2: you have a pretty damn good game plan in week one.
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Speaker 2: And then week two and week three show receipts. I
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Speaker 2: think they have Clemson coming up either next week or
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Speaker 2: the week after.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, their schedule, Hutton, they're off this week. Then they
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Speaker 1: get ETSU, so they'll be 2-0. And then they go
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Speaker 1: to Clemson. They've got a very weird schedule. Because they
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Speaker 1: started early, they get another bye week on September 26th.
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Speaker 1: So two of the next four weeks are bye. And then,
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Speaker 1: I mean, they got a bit of a gauntlet early.
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Speaker 1: At Clemson, by week, Notre Dame at home, at Pitt,
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Speaker 1: at Duke.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is the gauntlet, quote-unquote, that Colorado faced
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Speaker 2: after they started 3-0, or whatever it was. Was it
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Speaker 2: 3-0 or 4-0? I can never remember. I think it
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Speaker 2: was 3-0. Point being, we'll start paying attention to Carolina, Clemson.
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Speaker 2: But we've got to wait a little while for that.
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Speaker 2: They're going to be 2-0 over the next— they play them
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Speaker 2: in three weeks— I mean, that'll be a storyline just
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Speaker 2: because Carolina's going to be 2-0 and that will be
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Speaker 2: the barometer based on what we see from Clemson to
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Speaker 2: open the season. Maybe for both teams.
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Speaker 1: I was shocked. Look, we're going to get into our
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Speaker 1: Hard Rock Bet segment later. My parlay, only one of
11:56
Speaker 1: the three hit. I'm at my daughter Lucy's game. I
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Speaker 1: had to fill in and coach third base. Got to
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Speaker 1: get back in the mix on Saturday during that game.
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Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, we got run ruled in that game. So
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Speaker 1: my return to coaching wasn't as successful as I'd hoped.
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Speaker 1: But the girls are learning. The girls are learning. But
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Speaker 1: I get back and check.
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Speaker 2: Hang on a minute. If I may, your return to
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Speaker 2: coaching was third base, right?
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Okay. I just want to clarify. This doesn't go against
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Speaker 2: your official record.
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Speaker 1: That's true.
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Speaker 2: That's true.
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Speaker 1: We didn't have a lot of girls visit me at
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Speaker 1: third base either.
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Speaker 2: I didn't get a lot of run.
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Speaker 1: I didn't get a lot of reps of sending people home.
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Speaker 1: When you lose 15-2 in three innings, when the game
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Speaker 1: ends after three if you're down 12 or more, I
12:35
Speaker 1: didn't get a lot of run. I had twice say, go, go, go, go, go,
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Speaker 1: tag and go, tag and go. Yeah, it wasn't great.
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Speaker 1: Also wasn't great when I got done with the game
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Speaker 1: and checked my phone and saw it was 15-10 late
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Speaker 1: third quarter between North Carolina and TCU, and I'm thinking– Oh, boy, oh, boy.
12:52
Speaker 1: My betting season is off to a great start once again.
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Speaker 1: The first leg of my parlay is not going to hit.
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Speaker 1: I love what they do, man. What amazes me, and
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Speaker 1: I think Kelly's really good at this. We had her
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Speaker 1: on weekly at our old show, too. but the ability
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Speaker 1: to find info quickly through their notes. I can take
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Speaker 1: diligent notes, but my note-taking process is I write it
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Speaker 1: and I hope to memorize it. The process of writing
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Speaker 1: something down helps you memorize what you're trying to remember
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Speaker 1: in a note, quote, or whatever it is, or a stat.
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Speaker 1: So I write them down the way. But, Hutton, if
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Speaker 1: the way that Todd or Kelly or Ariel can go
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Speaker 1: find whatever stat they're looking for immediately on their laptop,
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Speaker 1: that is a special skill when you're doing a live broadcast.
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Speaker 1: And I can't find my notes as fast as they can,
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Speaker 1: which is impressive.
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Speaker 2: Just one final thought on just the whole model of it. Chad,
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Speaker 2: I have been in a press box where I'm watching
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Speaker 2: an app or I'm online, and the app is paused
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Speaker 2: in real time, and I'm watching TV going, wow, this
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Speaker 2: is nuts, where even if you're at the stadium, you
16:38
Speaker 2: couldn't jump on to jump on top of a play
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Speaker 2: you just saw because the app's paused on the line.
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It is crazy how fast
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Speaker 2: all that works in real time. I'm fascinated by it,
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Speaker 2: the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated, Hutton, by Lane Kiffin, national pitchman, that we
16:56
Speaker 1: saw all over the place this weekend. They got the
16:59
Speaker 1: new Dr. Pepper ads that Lane Kiffin's a part of.
17:02
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin's a good football coach. Nobody's going to deny that.
17:05
Speaker 1: He's a good offensive mind. Lane Kiffin is the stiffest,
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Speaker 1: most awkward, most uncomfortable actor, pitchman. Hutton, remember him doing
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Speaker 1: the season ticket thing for Ole Miss that went viral
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Speaker 1: with all the different takes? They were Florida Atlantic. It
17:21
Speaker 1: was a Florida Atlantic season package they were doing at
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Speaker 1: FAU and how bad he was trying to read something
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Speaker 1: and look like he actually cared about whatever he was reading.
17:30
Speaker 1: This was Lane Kiffin in a DoorDash ad that we
17:33
Speaker 1: got beat over the head with all weekend.
17:36
Speaker 2: W's on your burrito. Put some W's on your crab legs. Nowadays,
17:41
Speaker 2: everybody in college football has got a deal.
17:43
Speaker 1: Players, coaches, even mascots.
17:50
Speaker 2: These free? Why not the fans?
17:55
Speaker 3: It's about time they got something back, like free groceries
17:58
Speaker 3: for a year, a sweet ride, or.
18:01
Speaker 2: Even a house. Oh, this is what NIL is like?
18:05
Speaker 3: OK.
18:07
Speaker 2: Eat that W.
18:08
Speaker 1: Don't fan for free. Order DoorDash on game days and
18:11
Speaker 1: get rewarded like a football star.
18:14
Speaker 2: Put some W's on your burrito.
18:16
Speaker 1: Put some W's on your crab legs.
18:18
Speaker 2: Put some W's on your pizza too. Do what you
18:20
Speaker 2: gotta do and eat a W.
18:23
Speaker 1: How great was Jameis Winston in that, by the way?
18:25
Speaker 1: Just a complete lunatic, but that's him just playing up
18:27
Speaker 1: who he is the whole time. Lane Kiffin.
18:29
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't know if that was James
18:30
Speaker 2: Winston or Kenan Thompson from SNL.
18:33
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Good Kenan Thompson vibes too. Lane Kiffin
18:36
Speaker 1: looks like a robot that someone tried to reprogram for
18:41
Speaker 1: a commercial to say, act like you're an actual human being.
18:45
Speaker 1: And then that's how the robot or the alien would
18:47
Speaker 1: try to pretend to be enthused about it. Great ride.
18:51
Speaker 1: Free something for a year. Remember at the end of
18:56
Speaker 1: Top Gun when Maverick throws his dog tags into the ocean?
19:01
Speaker 1: And it's the one time I watched Tom Cruise and
19:03
Speaker 1: I'm like, Tom Cruise looked like someone had to teach
19:05
Speaker 1: him how to throw a ball or throw an object
19:07
Speaker 1: 10 seconds before he threw it. And it's like, I
19:10
Speaker 1: got a Martian that came down and I'm going to
19:12
Speaker 1: show them how to throw something and never throw anything.
19:14
Speaker 1: And he pitches it awkwardly into the ocean off the
19:17
Speaker 1: aircraft carrier. That's Lane Kiffin trying to sell anything To anyone.
19:22
Speaker 1: He is horrible as an actor.
19:25
Speaker 2: Horrible.
19:26
Speaker 1: And I searched on Google, worst athlete slash coach commercial.
19:31
Speaker 2: Actors of all time. Before you do this, you could
19:37
Speaker 2: do your list. We should then compile our own depth
19:40
Speaker 2: chart for this.
19:41
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. I thought this would be a fun depth
19:45
Speaker 1: chart in honor of Lane Kiffin. Well, first off, and
19:47
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is because I'm searching it,
19:50
Speaker 1: but I noticed they have the AI response, which people
19:53
Speaker 1: are angry about because it doesn't immediately go to anything else.
19:56
Speaker 1: But the first, the top message you get once you
19:59
Speaker 1: get to actual websites is from TwitterX. And it's my tweet.
20:04
Speaker 1: Chad Withrow on X, Lane Kiffin is the stiffest and
20:06
Speaker 1: worst act. And the AI says Lane Kiffin. If you
20:10
Speaker 1: search who is the worst, it says Lane Kiffin is
20:13
Speaker 1: frequently cited by critics and fans as one of the
20:15
Speaker 1: stiffest and most awkward coach-turned-actors to appear in promotional ads.
20:20
Speaker 1: The other examples here, Tom Amansky, Fred McGriffin, where he
20:26
Speaker 1: was clearly given a check and a hat that was
20:28
Speaker 1: just pulled out of a box and put on to
20:30
Speaker 1: read the one line. Um, there is BJ Porter, who's
20:34
Speaker 1: a former college athlete in a sportsmanship, pass it on
20:38
Speaker 1: promo commercial. I don't know what they're talking about, but
20:40
Speaker 1: they said he delivers one of the worst performances of
20:42
Speaker 1: all time. Uh, other athletes who were said to be
20:45
Speaker 1: bad actors, Larry Bird and Julia serving in a different ads.
20:50
Speaker 1: Both were bad at times. Hutton, this is going to
20:53
Speaker 1: be a great depth chart at some point, but, uh,
20:55
Speaker 1: this kind of goes on to what I said about
20:57
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin, uh, The dude does not care about humanity.
21:02
Speaker 1: He doesn't get real close to people. The dude wants
21:05
Speaker 1: to win football games at all costs, and that's why
21:08
Speaker 1: he's now challenging the SEC, and it's going through the
21:11
Speaker 1: court system. And while I thought the SEC needed to
21:14
Speaker 1: debap when they initially said, we're going to honor whatever
21:17
Speaker 1: the court tells us to in terms of LSU taking
21:19
Speaker 1: on pro players, it now, Hutton, looks like this is
21:22
Speaker 1: going to be a fight that continues because Thursday the
21:25
Speaker 1: SEC's released a statement saying, saying basically everybody better lawyer
21:28
Speaker 1: up because we're showing up to this hearing with lawyers
21:31
Speaker 1: to argue that we absolutely can penalize LSU for all
21:34
Speaker 1: of this, and that's going to be our argument. You
21:39
Speaker 1: know I like discussing conspiracy theories because I like to
21:41
Speaker 1: talk myself out of it more than into it, right?
21:43
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this is all manufactured a bit by
21:47
Speaker 2: the SEC to get that Sports Act passed. Are they
21:52
Speaker 2: really going to fight it? Because they sound a little
21:53
Speaker 2: bit like the NCAA right now because they're losing in court. Um,
21:57
Speaker 2: and is this going to be like the straw where they're,
22:00
Speaker 2: cause initially Sankey, correct me if I'm wrong, came out
22:02
Speaker 2: and said, we need, we're going to go, we're going
22:03
Speaker 2: to let the government handle this. We're going to, this
22:05
Speaker 2: is why we need this. Then he reacted to the
22:08
Speaker 2: big 10. They're fighting it, but how are they really
22:11
Speaker 2: fighting back? Because the other part of this is you
22:15
Speaker 2: just saw, you just saw the commercial with Kiffin. He's
22:17
Speaker 2: all over these ads that they're partnered in and really
22:22
Speaker 2: college football is controlled by ESPN. And I think initially
22:26
Speaker 2: Sankey's just wanting to, you know, I don't think they'd
22:29
Speaker 2: like Kiffin, but Kiffin's the marketing arm right now. By
22:33
Speaker 2: the way, ESPN, Kiffin's their boy. Saban's taking up for
22:38
Speaker 2: him last year when he's leaving Ole Miss. Herbstreit, the
22:41
Speaker 2: whole group.
22:42
Speaker 1: I think they're going to fight it because Greg Sankey,
22:46
Speaker 1: everybody else doesn't want it.
22:48
Speaker 2: I was going to say, he does work for the
22:52
Speaker 2: presidents and chancellors. I was going to get to that.
22:54
Speaker 2: And they voted. But then again, some of these judges
22:59
Speaker 2: and politicians work for these chancellors and presidents and all
23:02
Speaker 2: these donors that are going through these guys that are
23:04
Speaker 2: controlling it. It's a weird thing where they're going back
23:08
Speaker 2: and forth. But in the meantime, NFL players are playing
23:11
Speaker 2: in the SEC anyway.
23:13
Speaker 1: Well, I... Yes. Look, I think they're going to fight it.
23:18
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to win. I love
23:22
Speaker 1: conspiracy hunting on these things.
23:24
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I totally buy into it, but it
23:25
Speaker 2: feels a little, not set up, but like they're playing
23:28
Speaker 2: into it to get federal action.
23:31
Speaker 1: They're going to constantly end every argument with this is
23:34
Speaker 1: why the Protect College Sports Act should be passed, right?
23:36
Speaker 1: Like that's always going to be a thing. Then we
23:38
Speaker 1: can get away from having to go to these courtroom
23:41
Speaker 1: hearings and all this. Tom Mars, who I follow, Pete
23:45
Speaker 1: Thamel put out, this was the statement from the SEC,
23:48
Speaker 1: the order entered against the SEC and Commissioner Sankey is
23:51
Speaker 1: a temporary restraining order, not a final ruling. The SEC
23:54
Speaker 1: and Commissioner Sankey are prepared to contest the allegations in
23:58
Speaker 1: the plaintiff's petition at Thursday morning's hearing and defend the
24:01
Speaker 1: SEC's rights as a voluntary association to fulfill its mission
24:05
Speaker 1: to its member institutions. Again, the argument is you're in
24:08
Speaker 1: the SEC, we're not making you stay here. If LSU
24:12
Speaker 1: feels so strongly about this, you can leave the conference
24:14
Speaker 1: or you can submit to the rule of the law,
24:17
Speaker 1: the land and the rule of the conference and being
24:20
Speaker 1: a voluntary member of the SEC. Tom Mars reposted this
24:24
Speaker 1: and said from the SEC, just as my translation to
24:27
Speaker 1: Southern speak, we're bringing a platoon of the best lawyers
24:30
Speaker 1: in America to Thursday's hearing and we'll fight with whoever
24:33
Speaker 1: has the balls to test us until the last dog
24:36
Speaker 1: is dead. That last dog dead may be the SEC.
24:39
Speaker 1: They may continue to get other TROs in different courts,
24:43
Speaker 1: and this thing continues along until Lane Kiffin plays an
24:46
Speaker 1: entire year with professional football players on his roster. Now,
24:51
Speaker 1: I also, nobody likes this. Everybody's against it. People are
24:57
Speaker 1: praising Eli Drinkwitz over the weekend for his long soliloquy
25:00
Speaker 1: about the state of college football and who's to blame
25:03
Speaker 1: and all this.
25:04
Speaker 2: That's great.
25:05
Speaker 1: I want these coaches to call out the problem here,
25:08
Speaker 1: and it's Lane Kiffin. My problem with this is they're
25:10
Speaker 1: too reluctant to call out any member of their fraternity.
25:13
Speaker 1: This is not a loophole situation or a everybody's doing it,
25:17
Speaker 1: now we have to do it too. Every other coach
25:20
Speaker 1: in the conference so far has been pretty much ten
25:22
Speaker 1: toes down about we're not going to do this. It's
25:25
Speaker 1: a bad message to our current locker room. It's bad
25:28
Speaker 1: for the sport, so we're not going to do it.
25:29
Speaker 1: No one's forcing Lane Kiffin.
25:31
Speaker 2: To do this. No, because they all work for the
25:32
Speaker 2: same agent.
25:34
Speaker 1: Exactly. So I'm just like, call the guy out. Like,
25:37
Speaker 1: if you want to really look, I'm glad that somebody
25:40
Speaker 1: is going to say something. That's fine. And you can
25:41
Speaker 1: praise Eli Drinkwits all you want. But I'm not going
25:44
Speaker 1: to fully praise someone until they come out and really
25:46
Speaker 1: do something daring and say, you know, who's ruining this
25:49
Speaker 1: for everyone? Coach Kiffin at LSU, if he would shut
25:53
Speaker 1: up and they would stop filing these lawsuits, everyone would
25:56
Speaker 1: go back to agreeing that NFL players shouldn't be allowed
25:58
Speaker 1: to come back and play in college football. But you've
26:00
Speaker 1: got one rogue warrior out here who's challenging everything, and
26:04
Speaker 1: it's disrupting the system. But nobody's willing to say that
26:08
Speaker 1: personally about Lane Kiffin. And I think that's kind of
26:10
Speaker 1: what bothers me about it.
26:12
Speaker 2: But like a year and a half ago, this is
26:13
Speaker 2: a great conversation, because a year and a half ago,
26:15
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin would have been the... the anti-hero here instead
26:20
Speaker 2: of just the villain. The anti-hero in Stone Cold would
26:24
Speaker 2: have been at Ole Miss as the head coach doing this.
26:27
Speaker 2: But because of the way things went down and the
26:29
Speaker 2: way things were handled, he waltzed into LSU, derailed what
26:33
Speaker 2: was a historic season for Ole Miss, and what could
26:36
Speaker 2: have been a championship run with everything they had focused
26:38
Speaker 2: and tightened. We saw them. We saw their season. I'm
26:42
Speaker 2: saying all that to mean the perception of Lane Kiffin
26:45
Speaker 2: a year and a half ago, the start of last year,
26:48
Speaker 2: Way different in how he was handled. And even whenever
26:50
Speaker 2: things go awry, it's viewed as like, oh, he should
26:54
Speaker 2: be allowed to coach the Rebels. Come on. And that's
26:57
Speaker 2: coming from the worldwide leader in all that. It's the
27:01
Speaker 2: perception of him now versus literally six months ago that
27:05
Speaker 2: has things weird because the coaches wouldn't have said anything
27:10
Speaker 2: about it. Because again, it goes back to Jimmy Sexton
27:12
Speaker 2: and everybody involved there. Everybody gets a raise when Lane
27:15
Speaker 2: Kiffin moves around.
27:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really curious to see how College Game Day
27:19
Speaker 1: handles all this on Saturday. Because you're right, a year ago,
27:23
Speaker 1: they're all represented. We're going to hear Saban talk about
27:25
Speaker 1: federal government. Yeah, and I think they'll immediately shift to it.
27:29
Speaker 1: This is just another example why the government needs to intercede.
27:32
Speaker 1: And I don't know that they're going to talk specifically.
27:35
Speaker 1: I'll give one guy who I think might call out
27:38
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin personally on that show. Because they all kind
27:42
Speaker 1: of come in with, here's how you're going to approach it.
27:44
Speaker 1: Here's how I'm going to approach it. Here's how you're
27:45
Speaker 1: going to do this. Desmond Howard, I bet, calls out
27:47
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin.
27:48
Speaker 2: Reese. I think Reese would.
27:50
Speaker 1: Reese or Desmond. I think Desmond Howard would be the
27:52
Speaker 1: top of the analyst to say, Lane Kiffin needs to
27:55
Speaker 1: be punished for this because no one else is actively
27:59
Speaker 1: trying to fight for these guys to come back and play.
28:02
Speaker 1: No one else is challenging their conference on it. The
28:04
Speaker 1: conference voted unanimously to not allow it. I think Des
28:09
Speaker 1: would probably be the one person to say that. That said...
28:13
Speaker 1: It's another reason why I don't buy into some of
28:16
Speaker 1: these shows because everybody's too close to each other. I
28:19
Speaker 1: don't want to hear from Eli Drinkwitz on this unless
28:22
Speaker 1: you have the balls to stand up and say Lane
28:25
Speaker 1: Kiffin's a problem, everybody. All of us coaches get together
28:28
Speaker 1: and say this is bad for the sport, yet one
28:30
Speaker 1: is out there actively trying to recruit these players to
28:33
Speaker 1: come back so it can benefit them and them alone.
28:37
Speaker 1: Somebody else say that. It's not just us. on this
28:41
Speaker 1: show saying it. I want somebody else to come out
28:44
Speaker 1: and say that. And Hutton, I think you're spot on
28:46
Speaker 1: right about this. Those guys who are attached to Lane
28:48
Speaker 1: Kiffin and Buddy Buddy with them or have the same agent,
28:51
Speaker 1: they're not going to say anything.
28:52
Speaker 2: Nope.
28:53
Speaker 1: On any show.
28:54
Speaker 2: And it's practically everyone.
28:55
Speaker 1: It's going to be the problem with the system and
28:57
Speaker 1: the problem with this and all the courts and we
29:01
Speaker 1: got to get government to do it. And no one's
29:05
Speaker 1: making any of these coaches or schools admit these athletes.
29:08
Speaker 1: They're doing it on their own. That they could easily
29:10
Speaker 1: take a stand and say, yeah, we're just not going
29:11
Speaker 1: to do it. But they are.
29:14
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Speaker 1: I did not. I had it in a quad box, Hutton,
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33:39
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34:17
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34:22
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34:25
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34:29
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34:34
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34:51
Speaker 2: number one. Number two, I don't think Titans ownership, specifically
34:56
Speaker 2: Amy Adams Strunk, is to blame here for this. But
35:01
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35:05
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35:13
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35:15
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35:19
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35:22
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35:30
Speaker 2: Dan Patrick reacted to this almost in real time. Just again,
35:37
Speaker 2: Surface level, they're $ 28 tickets, 2,000 of them to week
35:41
Speaker 2: one to watch the Titans and the Jets. That tells
35:43
Speaker 2: you that they're selling 2,000 of their what would be
35:48
Speaker 2: giveaway tickets to week one of this game.
35:50
Speaker 1: $ 28 is about $ 26 too much to buy a ticket
35:53
Speaker 1: to that game, by the way. But go on, continue.
35:56
Speaker 2: So in the fine print, there's 2,000 of these tickets,
36:01
Speaker 2: and they're donating $ 5 of the $ 28 tickets to ALS Research.
36:07
Speaker 2: That comes out to $ 10, 000 of a donation. Okay. Let
36:12
Speaker 2: me say that I did a fundraiser on behalf of
36:17
Speaker 2: Leukemia and Lymphoma Society in 2019. And Amy Adams Strunk
36:20
Speaker 2: donated things behind the scenes that no one knows about
36:24
Speaker 2: and was extremely generous to the sum of $ 10, 000, which
36:28
Speaker 2: I announced publicly in 2019. I have not talked to
36:32
Speaker 2: anybody within the organization about this, Chad, but there is
36:35
Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind that that they probably, because
36:39
Speaker 2: this is where they get way off the rails here
36:41
Speaker 2: with what they do versus what they probably intend. She's
36:46
Speaker 2: probably going to donate something and announce it at halftime
36:48
Speaker 2: of the honor of Chris Johnson with him there. And
36:51
Speaker 2: now it looks like she's donating $ 10, 000 to ALS Research
36:54
Speaker 2: for someone who's making $ 500 million week one before they
36:57
Speaker 2: even kick off the football on their media package. I
37:01
Speaker 2: think you get my point here. This is low-hanging fruit.
37:05
Speaker 2: It's a lazy ticket promotion. Minor League Baseball would have
37:08
Speaker 2: been better at this. And I know you're tying in
37:10
Speaker 2: the number 28 and you're tying in the 2,000 yards,
37:13
Speaker 2: but it's $ 28 tickets for otherwise tickets you give to
37:17
Speaker 2: a high school football team to sit upstairs, watch the
37:20
Speaker 2: ants play on an NFL stadium, and donating $ 5 to it.
37:26
Speaker 2: You're still getting concessions and parking. I mean, again, you
37:29
Speaker 2: understand where I'm going here. There are fans who paid
37:31
Speaker 2: more to the preseason game where they thought the starters
37:33
Speaker 2: were going to play for the first half because the
37:34
Speaker 2: head coach said so in the final press conference. And
37:37
Speaker 2: everyone's writing that as a headline and didn't see anybody.
37:40
Speaker 2: And now, you know, they're giving $ 5 to a chair.
37:46
Speaker 2: I am all for them donating. Now they're going to
37:49
Speaker 2: look like reactionary to this. And we already know how
37:54
Speaker 2: sensitive they are to bad publicity and media coverage when
37:58
Speaker 2: it's not looking good on the organization. This should have
38:02
Speaker 2: been avoided, a no-brainer, and that just kind of says
38:05
Speaker 2: where they are right now.
38:08
Speaker 1: So $ 5 of the $ 28 they charged actually went to
38:12
Speaker 1: ALS Research?
38:13
Speaker 2: Yes, because initially, I mean, if you do the math,
38:16
Speaker 2: it's a small donation anyway. It's a nice donation for
38:20
Speaker 2: you or I to make. Clay's donated $ 10 million to
38:26
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt Law again. The $ 5... Give 100% of all the
38:32
Speaker 2: preseason games. Any preseason game you have at home, 100%
38:36
Speaker 2: of every ticket should go to ALS research.
38:39
Speaker 1: That is absurd.
38:40
Speaker 2: Hang on. I understand, but I'm saying behind the scenes here,
38:46
Speaker 2: she may have been planning to do something. And probably
38:50
Speaker 2: a donation that's more than just the proceeds. Who knows?
38:54
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is.
38:57
Speaker 2: I just don't think the people in the building where
39:00
Speaker 2: she's not there are really, you know, thinking twice about
39:06
Speaker 2: something other than, oh, this ties in, let's roll this out.
39:09
Speaker 2: Because there's empties upstairs. And the Jets fans aren't filling
39:11
Speaker 2: them either.
39:13
Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of this stuff is just
39:15
Speaker 1: done out of fear.
39:16
Speaker 3: Right?
39:16
Speaker 1: And I'm with you. I think Amy Adams Strong probably
39:18
Speaker 1: will give a sizable donation. At some point, and they've
39:21
Speaker 1: been planning that for a while. It's a terrible ticket
39:24
Speaker 1: promotion when you're only giving that small of a percentage
39:27
Speaker 1: of the tickets you're offering for Chris Johnson.
39:29
Speaker 2: And his honor. Oh, it's in really fine print on
39:32
Speaker 2: the promo, on the ad.
39:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's bad. It's a bad look. It's a bad move.
39:36
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you brought it up.
39:37
Speaker 2: Well, and it's the fans paying for it, to your point.
39:40
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, honor CJ. We're unleashing a block
39:44
Speaker 2: of 2,000 tickets. It's like, if there were 3,000, they'd
39:47
Speaker 2: sell 3,000 of them.
39:49
Speaker 1: Well, also, this is my issue with the organization and
39:54
Speaker 1: a lot of them. I think so much is just
39:55
Speaker 1: done out of fear. Because there's got to be one
39:57
Speaker 1: person smart enough in that room that's making this decision
40:00
Speaker 1: to say, hey, guys, let's offer 100% of those 2,000
40:04
Speaker 1: tickets we sold to ALS. That will look a lot better.
40:07
Speaker 1: We're not selling those tickets anyway to this dump of
40:10
Speaker 1: a stadium on the way out for this terrible football team.
40:14
Speaker 1: In a meaningless preseason game. So let's just, we're going
40:17
Speaker 1: to look a lot better and it's the right thing
40:18
Speaker 1: to do if we give 100% of the proceeds to
40:22
Speaker 1: ALS and not $ 5 of the $ 28 we're charging for
40:26
Speaker 1: these tickets. Somebody there, I'm going to give them some
40:28
Speaker 1: credit here. Somebody there's got to be smart enough to
40:31
Speaker 1: understand that. I think they're afraid to raise the issue
40:34
Speaker 1: because someone above them is the one who raised it
40:37
Speaker 1: and then they're not going to challenge that person. Speaking
40:40
Speaker 1: of not challenging people.
40:41
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
40:42
Speaker 1: I love Charles Davis to death. My goodness, Hutton. Whoever
40:46
Speaker 1: that guy is with him calling the games for the
40:49
Speaker 1: preseason and him.
40:51
Speaker 2: Burke Halter, is that his name?
40:52
Speaker 1: Sure.
40:54
Speaker 2: And he's the voice of Notre Dame.
40:56
Speaker 1: Okay, great. I hope he's better with Notre Dame.
40:59
Speaker 2: I think that's who it is.
41:01
Speaker 1: They treat them like Pop Warner children. We are harder
41:05
Speaker 1: on high school kids during a broadcast. And we're not
41:08
Speaker 1: hard on high school kids at all during the broadcast.
41:10
Speaker 1: But the way they treat that team with kid gloves
41:13
Speaker 1: and try to put this rosy sheen on everything, even
41:16
Speaker 1: when it's really bad, and anyone watching can tell you
41:19
Speaker 1: it's really bad. And they're like, you know, I really
41:21
Speaker 1: just thought, I think that this team's got so much
41:24
Speaker 1: to look forward to. And I agree with Coach Sala
41:26
Speaker 1: that they got everything out of this preseason they wanted
41:29
Speaker 1: and more. This is going to be such an exciting
41:32
Speaker 1: year for the Titans. I'm thinking, Do you have someone
41:34
Speaker 1: in your ear like Will Smith and Hitch that talks
41:38
Speaker 1: people through dates and they're telling you, hey, plug the
41:41
Speaker 1: offensive line again. Hey, plug all the young talent. Plug
41:45
Speaker 1: how hard they've worked in the preseason one more time.
41:49
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous watching those games. I had to turn off
41:51
Speaker 1: the sound of it. And again, I like Charles Davis
41:55
Speaker 1: most of the time. But when he's paid by the
41:57
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans to do a game, I don't know how
42:00
Speaker 1: people watch it and don't hear anything other than, state
42:04
Speaker 1: run over the top Homer media, trying to convince people
42:10
Speaker 1: that things are incredibly positive when they're not.
42:13
Speaker 2: I've got, I've got, I've got thoughts on this later
42:15
Speaker 2: in the show because it ties in. Okay. Um, yes.
42:18
Speaker 2: I mean, have you, it's, it's literally anything right now, um,
42:21
Speaker 2: coming out of the organization. Um, you can't ask Cam
42:26
Speaker 2: Ward if he's had a good preseason. Um, but, but again, that's,
42:30
Speaker 2: that's part for everybody's walking on eggshells. Um, And that
42:34
Speaker 2: comes with the territory, I guess, whenever you fire as
42:36
Speaker 2: many people as they have who have been there long
42:38
Speaker 2: enough to be fired.
42:40
Speaker 1: You fire everybody, and then you've got a staffer who's
42:45
Speaker 1: making fun of somebody for getting fired at some point,
42:47
Speaker 1: who everybody there is probably afraid of getting fired also.
42:50
Speaker 1: So I don't know that I would go that route
42:52
Speaker 1: with someone professionally either. Yeah, I think all of it
42:55
Speaker 1: is just a byproduct, like you said, of people being afraid.
42:58
Speaker 2: Right.
42:59
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, people are walking around in eggshells. I
43:02
Speaker 1: think the ticket promotion is an example. Someone over there
43:04
Speaker 1: is smart enough to know they should give 100% of
43:05
Speaker 1: the proceeds, but no one raised the issue.
43:08
Speaker 2: I don't think it's being afraid as much as it
43:10
Speaker 2: is incompetence. That's just not knowing what you're doing and
43:13
Speaker 2: the optics of it. You know what that is, Chad?
43:15
Speaker 2: That's someone who hasn't seen Chris Johnson play, is what
43:17
Speaker 2: that is. That's someone who wasn't around because they've laid
43:21
Speaker 2: off everybody who was. Yeah, that's a good point. That's
43:24
Speaker 2: really what it is. It's not knowing the history of
43:26
Speaker 2: the team, what he meant to the organization. and what
43:28
Speaker 2: it meant to see them on Good Morning America, and
43:31
Speaker 2: they're using it for a $ 28, $ 2, 000 ticket promotion. It's
43:35
Speaker 2: not being afraid. It's, hey, let's sell this chunk of
43:37
Speaker 2: tickets that we were going to give to a high
43:39
Speaker 2: school team to show up and be our high school
43:40
Speaker 2: team of the week. And put them in the upper deck.
43:43
Speaker 2: It's not like you're getting seats down next to the railing.
43:47
Speaker 1: And, Hun, I'm not expecting whoever the Titans hire to
43:50
Speaker 1: call their preseason games to be as honest as we
43:53
Speaker 1: are on our show with them, and brutally honest at
43:57
Speaker 1: times with that. But Also, I would expect something a
44:00
Speaker 1: little bit closer to reality from them. I just got
44:04
Speaker 1: tired of the pom-pom waving for the team. And I
44:08
Speaker 1: think we see this with independent media covering the Titans, too.
44:12
Speaker 1: It's a weird time. It's a weird time to be
44:15
Speaker 1: in Nashville and following that team. Our old co-host Paul
44:18
Speaker 1: Koharski was long thought to be, you know, this is
44:22
Speaker 1: the standard bearer of truth. And Titans fans hated it
44:25
Speaker 1: at times because it shined a light on what they
44:27
Speaker 1: knew to be true. But Paul was always the one
44:29
Speaker 1: with the tough questions. Paul was always the one that
44:32
Speaker 1: wrote the difficult columns or opinions about the team or
44:34
Speaker 1: whatever it may be or ruffled feathers, right? I don't
44:38
Speaker 1: know where that's happening as much now. And when it
44:42
Speaker 1: does happen, you get just weird interactions all the time
44:48
Speaker 1: with players and staffers and everything else. It's just a very,
44:51
Speaker 1: it's an odd time.
44:53
Speaker 2: It's tough to do what they're doing because they're given
44:55
Speaker 2: no access. And this is becoming the league. The Titans
44:58
Speaker 2: were really late to the game on being what the
45:00
Speaker 2: league has become. And Paul's written about this. He's 100% right.
45:05
Speaker 2: The only access you have to a coach or a
45:09
Speaker 2: player is if they're standing behind a podium, more or less.
45:14
Speaker 2: It used to, you could text a coach or a
45:17
Speaker 2: general manager and they could go on the record with
45:20
Speaker 2: you at 1230 a.m. And you could break a story.
45:24
Speaker 2: And now if it's not getting out through national media,
45:27
Speaker 2: no one has phone numbers anymore. You're not given the access.
45:30
Speaker 2: What do we know really about Cam Ward? We're learning
45:33
Speaker 2: stuff during quarterback, and we're a year and a half
45:35
Speaker 2: into that, right? We don't know. I mean, can you
45:39
Speaker 2: tell me what Cardinal Tate's voice sounds like?
45:43
Speaker 3: No.
45:43
Speaker 1: No.
45:45
Speaker 2: There's no connection because everything is controlled by the team itself.
45:50
Speaker 2: They handle all information that gets out. And when your
45:52
Speaker 2: job is, you know, you're demanded to report on the team,
45:57
Speaker 2: I mean, you kind of got to go by the
46:01
Speaker 2: access you're given. And when you're leaked out stuff and
46:06
Speaker 2: it's tough to do it whenever they're controlling it. And
46:08
Speaker 2: the message is exactly what we've seen. Uh, it's, uh,
46:13
Speaker 2: unicorns and roses and everything's going to get better. And
46:16
Speaker 2: there was a soft launch of that, which I have
46:19
Speaker 2: huge thoughts on later. There was a soft launch this
46:21
Speaker 2: past week with the organization, I think. And, um, it's,
46:26
Speaker 2: it's being put on the back burner for now, but
46:29
Speaker 2: maybe unveiled by mid season. And I'm not talking about
46:32
Speaker 2: the rivalry uniforms because they don't care about the two
46:35
Speaker 2: tone blue anymore. They don't care about the color Navy.
46:37
Speaker 2: That's not the soft launch. Trust me. That was the
46:39
Speaker 2: NFL and Nike. So I can't wait to jump into
46:42
Speaker 2: this with you.
46:43
Speaker 1: And, Hutton, they cut the one guy who could market
46:45
Speaker 1: himself well, Will Levis. I mean, that guy scored a helmet. No,
46:49
Speaker 1: I don't think he marked himself well. I'm joking, of course.
46:53
Speaker 1: I know, I know. But that's the one guy who
46:54
Speaker 1: could go out and get a national Mayo ad before
46:56
Speaker 1: doing anything in the league. He was out there marketing himself,
46:59
Speaker 1: selling himself well. And I'll also say this. Cam Ward
47:02
Speaker 1: needs to be more accountable. I don't want to hear
47:05
Speaker 1: Cam Ward asking– Jared Stillman, a reporter, when he asked
47:08
Speaker 1: how he would assess his preseason, well, how would you
47:10
Speaker 1: do it? And he said, not well. Okay, well, I'm
47:13
Speaker 1: glad you think that way. Dude, you need to think
47:15
Speaker 1: that way. You've not been good enough. Everybody wants to
47:20
Speaker 1: give him credit for the accountability of we ass. How
47:23
Speaker 1: about this?
47:24
Speaker 2: I ass.
47:25
Speaker 1: You need to say that. I'm tired of the we, we,
47:30
Speaker 1: we with him. You need to point right back at you, buddy. No,
47:35
Speaker 1: this ain't a we thing. I was bad on that play.
47:38
Speaker 1: That's my fault. My bad, guys. I haven't been good enough.
47:42
Speaker 2: That's the difference between knowing how to market and how
47:44
Speaker 2: not to. Hashtag we ass is different than hashtag I ass.
47:49
Speaker 2: If you put it out there.
47:50
Speaker 1: Brooks, clip that.
47:52
Speaker 2: I ass.
47:53
Speaker 1: Just run that on a loop of me saying that.
47:57
Speaker 2: That hits a little different if you walk down a
48:00
Speaker 2: street and you have a t-shirt that says one of
48:04
Speaker 2: those two.
48:06
Speaker 1: I think you understand what I'm saying. He can say
48:10
Speaker 1: specifically I haven't been good enough. He was asked the
48:13
Speaker 1: question and his response was to get all pissy and
48:16
Speaker 1: throw it back to Stillman about what do you think?
48:21
Speaker 1: I don't think he played well.
48:22
Speaker 2: The best way to describe the two the difference between
48:25
Speaker 2: the two is Antonio Brown would retweet you on one
48:27
Speaker 2: of them.
48:29
Speaker 3: True.
48:31
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49:02
Speaker 2: Antonio Brown, one of a kind. That's all we can
49:05
Speaker 2: say on that. Chad, coming up. Let me put this
49:11
Speaker 2: to you. Think about this during the break. How many people,
49:14
Speaker 2: without looking this up, let's do the chat too. Put
49:16
Speaker 2: your guesses in. How many roughly people with the surname
49:20
Speaker 2: Florio do you think there are on the planet? All right.
49:25
Speaker 2: Surname Florio on the planet. Put your guesses in now.
49:28
Speaker 2: Because two of them were working for national outlets in
49:31
Speaker 2: the National Football League. And both of them are named Michael.
49:35
Speaker 2: That's next here on Lightning With Row.