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NFL Week 5 DFS Takedown Breakdown | October 7, 2024 | DraftKings DFS Lineup Review and Analysis · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All system's gone clear the left up? What's up? Everyone?
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Tamberline here aka Totagg and Tambo back for another
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  Speaker 1: edition of the Takedown Breakdown here on the ship at
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  Speaker 1: Nation YouTube Station. Got my guy Naid's back with me
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  Speaker 1: miss last week, so I appreciate everybody, but we'll be
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  Speaker 1: back here and moving forward. So unless we get to
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  Speaker 1: the live final in Nashville in December, then I'll probably
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  Speaker 1: be on a travel day back there. So here's the
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  Speaker 1: hoping but Nids back in the booths man. What's going on, buddy?
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  Speaker 1: How you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? It feels good be back. I've been out on
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  Speaker 2: work travel the last two weeks. Obviously last week we
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a show here, but great, great show as
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  Speaker 2: always every week. Love a huge part of our process,
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  Speaker 2: huge part of my process in general. So it feels
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  Speaker 2: good to be back here and got some interesting stuff
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  Speaker 2: to talk about. Obviously, big days from a lot of
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  Speaker 2: guys out there, and we're gonna do our best to
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  Speaker 2: break it down and find the uh find that those
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  Speaker 2: puzzle pieces right that we misplaced because we didn't see
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  Speaker 2: that box in front of us.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, if you didn't have the Burrow Chase stuff yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Funny enough, Lamar ends up in the winner. So we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk through that strategy. It's certainly something I've used in
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  Speaker 1: the past and it's a good talking point for yesterday's slate.
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  Speaker 1: But shout out to Sean first in Nate tweezyes here
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  Speaker 1: with us go collect new ones. Max, I got your
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  Speaker 1: lineup coming up later. We are going to review that one,
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  Speaker 1: and thanks to everybody that are setting it all up
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  Speaker 1: because it's all there. Also, if you guys haven't jumped
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  Speaker 1: over yet, I'll share it in a second. But today
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  Speaker 1: was the last day for the originators of those that
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  Speaker 1: received the email education course. But on ship at Nation,
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  Speaker 1: today was the final day of the five day email course.
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  Speaker 1: So first day went over reviewing your lineups, and that's
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  Speaker 1: part of what this show is all about, what we
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  Speaker 1: do on here. So I'll bring up needs the perfect lineup.
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  Speaker 1: But we had a lot of this stuff covered yesterday
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  Speaker 1: on the show. It's just did you get the pieces
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  Speaker 1: together in the right way, And so I'll start with
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  Speaker 1: the perfect lineup here. It's a stack. It's exactly the
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  Speaker 1: stack that most had, if not the twenty dollars million
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  Speaker 1: maker in a lot of other places. But the Burrow Chase,
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  Speaker 1: Higgins didn't need to run it back. Couple bears with
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  Speaker 1: more and swift Craft slate and giants, and notice this
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  Speaker 1: one leaves sixteen hundred bucks on the table. Nobody was
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  Speaker 1: getting to bigsby, I mean, very small amounts. So we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk through that as well. But just first thoughts on
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  Speaker 1: the perfect lineup yesterday when we break it down here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, first thing you notice is, I mean
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  Speaker 2: some of our tools had I mean they had that
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  Speaker 2: box there. I just didn't look at the puzzle piece
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  Speaker 2: box right like you always talk about on some of
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  Speaker 2: our tools that we're going to review. With the Burrow
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  Speaker 2: Chase and Higgins stuff, obviously, if he didn't have them,
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  Speaker 2: it was pretty hard to take first in any contest,
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  Speaker 2: basically impossible yesterday. But the Swift was I know, we
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  Speaker 2: were on Swift over here, DJ Moore, that that combo
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  Speaker 2: pack there in that game environment, and then the Tucker
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  Speaker 2: crafts I mean obviously he was fifty percent on for
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  Speaker 2: a reason. Smash Spot there. Obviously that was the pivotal
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  Speaker 2: game there, which we'll talk about breaking it down from
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  Speaker 2: an ownership standpoint. Everybody was going there, so why not
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  Speaker 2: just take the value piece and just avoid everything else,
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  Speaker 2: always a way to get different there. And then Darius
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  Speaker 2: Slayton in Giants defense. I know you were on Darius
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  Speaker 2: break the slate Slayton. It happened. And then the Giants defense,
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  Speaker 2: we can pull a couple of pieces there because everybody
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  Speaker 2: else was punting off with Carolina there, which obviously what
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  Speaker 2: they were pairing them up with Cuba Hubbard. So I
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  Speaker 2: mean in a lineup to make this make more sense
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  Speaker 2: in handbuilds, I mean you could have want Chuba Hubbard
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  Speaker 2: instead of Tank Busdy and then the Carolina d would
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  Speaker 2: have made a lot more sense. Obviously went to score
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  Speaker 2: as many points, but that that could have been a
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  Speaker 2: little there.
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  Speaker 1: It wins the million Maker two. Like just little things
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  Speaker 1: like that. If you even just changed Bigsby to ETN
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  Speaker 1: and just play the more standard of what you would
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  Speaker 1: expect people to play and put there, still would have
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  Speaker 1: won the MILLI I think he only got like twelve points,
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  Speaker 1: but it would have been enough. I believe it was.
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  Speaker 2: I think seven ish.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, you had room to move here, and even
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  Speaker 1: like I don't know, you like moving some of the
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  Speaker 1: stuff around to get to different guys, Like you said,
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  Speaker 1: like if it's a you know, the defense with the
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  Speaker 1: if you went Slaton up to Tyrone Tracy Junior and
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  Speaker 1: then the defense up to the up to the Broncos, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: you would have still probably been fine either way. So
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  Speaker 1: it's just one of those things. Don't worry about the
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  Speaker 1: bigs b thing. It's the other stuff that should stand out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, but overall, I mean pretty standard stuff here.
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  Speaker 2: Anytime a game goes off for what eleven touchdowns, you
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  Speaker 2: probably need it on a main slate. And that's exactly
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  Speaker 2: what happened there. And I mean the writing was on
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  Speaker 2: the wall on our tools over here. We're gonna, I know,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna pull up the stone here and go through it,
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  Speaker 2: and hey, you're you're Baltimore. Evens there, they got the
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  Speaker 2: job done. But that pass defense is is not very good.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why obviously Joe Burrow Higgins Chase just absolutely
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  Speaker 2: nuked in if you go to the stone. I know
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't great in school, but I never really saw
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  Speaker 2: that f report card pop up on any of my stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what the Ravens have there, and obviously saw
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  Speaker 2: Bengals Chase Higgins right there highlighted and blue is upside
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  Speaker 2: plays right on the stone, massive total two and a
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  Speaker 2: half point spread. Nobody was going to the game. I
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  Speaker 2: know you talked about it and running it back right,
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's like, oh, you got to run it back, You
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  Speaker 2: got to run back. Who is at Flowers? Is it
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  Speaker 2: Derrick Henry? Who? I know a lot of Burrow Higgins,
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  Speaker 2: Chase Stack did have Henry, which kind of sunk those teams.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you still did good, Henry bust off that
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  Speaker 2: long one in the end right and got to like
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  Speaker 2: sixteen or seventeen points, which was semi salvagible. But I
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  Speaker 2: mean you don't always have to force a runback. I
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  Speaker 2: think is a common theme that we've seen over the
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  Speaker 2: five weeks that we've done these shows, and especially on
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  Speaker 2: a team like the Ravens. Right, maybe it's just Lamar, right,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what happens. So overall, not much more to
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  Speaker 2: say on the perfect line up there, but didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to highlight our tools on how somebody could have got
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  Speaker 2: to a build similar to this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about a couple of things
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  Speaker 1: with that, because it's important to look at this and
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  Speaker 1: obviously the perfect lineup we just went through. We saw
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  Speaker 1: the breakdown on it, but it's all what we can
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  Speaker 1: pull away from it. One of the big ones. It
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  Speaker 1: was talked about earlier, like Sean mentioned it here. So
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  Speaker 1: not only were the Giants d the opposite the Seahawks
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  Speaker 1: who I was making fun of in the discord call
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  Speaker 1: him Kenneth Chalker and the Sea Chalks. But you could
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  Speaker 1: always flip the side and play the opposite. But it
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  Speaker 1: was double leverage because the Panthers were also very popular
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  Speaker 1: at twenty four hundred. In the same spot, you also
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  Speaker 1: had Tracy Junior, who if you wanted to pair it up,
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  Speaker 1: there was just another reason to do it, to get
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  Speaker 1: that much more money freed up. And we'll see that
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  Speaker 1: in some of the reviews later on. So just little
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  Speaker 1: things like that. Oracle noticed it. It was the slave maker.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know if he's going to go do that much.
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  Speaker 1: But that's why I like Daniel Jones. He would be
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  Speaker 1: a guy that brings him along. Daniel Jones only ended
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  Speaker 1: up having twenty two to twenty three, but on a
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  Speaker 1: slate when you don't see thirty eight out of some
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  Speaker 1: of these guys like Lamar or thirty seven out of
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  Speaker 1: Lamar and Burrow, it's definitely possible but I do want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about this real quick, and it's about price.
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  Speaker 1: If you watch the Sunday Show yesterday, we talked about it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I told you guys this. I said it
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  Speaker 1: on the Mail Show on Friday, I said it on
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  Speaker 1: our show yesterday. The pricing is broken on quarterbacks. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: even Lamar, you end up being on the million Maker
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  Speaker 1: Winner lineup, it's still only seventy five hundred for Lamar,
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  Speaker 1: sixty eight hundred for Jayden Daniels, sixty four hundred for
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  Speaker 1: a guy like Burrow. They're not going to price these
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks to eight and nine k very often. So that's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be the thing here that you can play these
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  Speaker 1: guys and get away with it. And then we talked
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  Speaker 1: about this yesterday. When they were similar in price, it
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  Speaker 1: mattered more. There was a two thousand dollars difference, so
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  Speaker 1: you were able when you're getting a quarterback for just
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  Speaker 1: sixty four hundred, you're getting a receiver with them at
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  Speaker 1: six you got to spend your money somewhere. With all
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  Speaker 1: the value we have on the slate yesterday, so it
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  Speaker 1: was actually very easy to fix this in the exact
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  Speaker 1: example using the stone that we talked about on the
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  Speaker 1: show yesterday was how this game had an insane total,
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  Speaker 1: yet nobody knew how to play it, so they just
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  Speaker 1: were avoiding it. Those who didn't know how to play
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  Speaker 1: it were playing it in a chalky way, but it
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  Speaker 1: was not chalk, and you'll see it. Seven point five
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  Speaker 1: for Burrow came in at six. We actually nailed Jamar
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  Speaker 1: Chase in the twenty dollars million Maker. He literally hit
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  Speaker 1: eleven point seven exact, So that's just random but insane there.
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  Speaker 1: T Higgins came in at six. We had him at
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  Speaker 1: four point eight, Zay Flowers at five point four. He
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  Speaker 1: came in a little higher than that, and then Derrick Henry,
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  Speaker 1: if I can find him real quick, where's he at?
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  Speaker 1: He actually got steamed up. He ended up coming in
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  Speaker 1: way higher than expected. We had him at fifteen. But
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  Speaker 1: it was just a way when you looked at the
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  Speaker 1: stone yesterday to see it. If they were a pass
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  Speaker 1: defense f that's the report card for the Ravens. How
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  Speaker 1: good or bad are they against the pass. They're really
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  Speaker 1: good against the rush. They're failing against the pass. So
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  Speaker 1: that made sense. You saw where the blue was at here.
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  Speaker 1: You could have put it with Henry or you could
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  Speaker 1: have done, which some of the other lineups did too.
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  Speaker 1: Put it with Zay and talked about that at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the show. Where you just use up all
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  Speaker 1: your wide receiver slots on a game, in this case Jamar, Chase, Higgins, Flowers,
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  Speaker 1: you had Hubbard, Swift, Tracy more than I'm not even
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  Speaker 1: thinking of, just for cheap examples that you could go
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  Speaker 1: to Jacobs if you were now off that game, you
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  Speaker 1: maybe go to a Jacobs play there. You could get
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  Speaker 1: to Craft. At this point, you're already different in these
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  Speaker 1: four spots where they're all pretty much under ten percent,
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  Speaker 1: and you'd be able to get Craft in there with
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  Speaker 1: a kyn Williams as a way to still play pieces
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  Speaker 1: from that Green balle A game. So there was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of ways you could use this yesterday and see it.
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  Speaker 1: I did just want to bring that up, so we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk more as we go through with their names. But
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  Speaker 1: anything else you saw when it comes to that stuff,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's just one big thing. When others are
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  Speaker 1: struggling with it, it doesn't mean you got to avoid
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  Speaker 1: it just because others are struggling with it. You can
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  Speaker 1: still find your way onto it and get different that way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's a big piece. And even
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  Speaker 2: if you did run it back, which typically I know
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  Speaker 2: you do, I do right when I'm building, just because
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  Speaker 2: I just stick to my process. And I mean, obviously
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna have outliers like this where the runbacks don't
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  Speaker 2: get all the way there. But I mean, if you
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  Speaker 2: ran it back with Flowers, you still did fine. If
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  Speaker 2: you ran it back with Henry, you still did fine.
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  Speaker 2: He still scored seventeen. And you had all the salary
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  Speaker 2: in the world with guys like Tucker Craft, right the
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  Speaker 2: Carolina defense who obviously didn't get there, but you had
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  Speaker 2: ways to easily fit in Henry with the double stacks.
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  Speaker 2: Because of the quarterbacks. I mean, the quarterbacks are just underpriced.
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  Speaker 2: Barrow has averaged nearly forty passing attempts in every game
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  Speaker 2: this season. Higgins was coming off ten targets. Jamar Chase
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  Speaker 2: was coming off double digit targets. Higgins is back, he
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  Speaker 2: was healthy. Right the first game back, they gave him
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  Speaker 2: ten targets, right, absolute smash spot. These guys are just
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  Speaker 2: strictly underpriced. I mean, Chase and Higgins are one A
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  Speaker 2: one B in that offense that's going to throw the
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  Speaker 2: ball forty plus times. So overall, I mean everything was there.
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  Speaker 2: And even if you did run it back, I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you didn't get all the way there. Even if you
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  Speaker 2: went to like a Likely or a Mark Andrews right
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  Speaker 2: off of a pivot at that tight end spot where
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  Speaker 2: everybody was going, the Tucker Craft range and things like that,
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  Speaker 2: you still had a very very good day yesterday because
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  Speaker 2: you had the skeleton stack of Burrow with Chase and Higgins.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just to show it here, I'll bring up
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  Speaker 1: ship Tomizer because it's the same thing we did the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. But if you just went with
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  Speaker 1: what we had just talked about on the Stone, which
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  Speaker 1: was just going against the rush D, going against the
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  Speaker 1: past D and using those four pieces, I would have
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  Speaker 1: no harm. I know other people started there. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was very common, but you already had enough leverage
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  Speaker 1: at that point on your lineup that I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: fill it out with the chalk and some of our values.
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  Speaker 1: Tracy probably goes in there at that point. Cuba Hubbard
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  Speaker 1: usually goes there in that point, like you plug him in.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine, okay, that sort of uses that up. Whittington
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  Speaker 1: with Kraft as your secondary stack in that game that
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: you still get to what you were looking for there
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  Speaker 1: land on the broncos D if you didn't use Whittington,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's two two at well. And I only did
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  Speaker 1: that because I know more people spend the salary and
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to cheat it, but just showing you
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  Speaker 1: very basic with chalk, with that other stuff, you know,
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  Speaker 1: even with Henry not even getting there like Vin said,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't even he didn't even do that, but it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. That would only take it down by
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  Speaker 1: five points. That run was fifty one yards, takes it
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  Speaker 1: down by five. This is two poh eight with Whittington,
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  Speaker 1: it's two twenty and it was two thirty six to
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  Speaker 1: win the Millie. But again most people with some good
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  Speaker 1: contest selection, high dollar, smaller field. Just showing you how
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  Speaker 1: you almost would have been forced into it if you
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  Speaker 1: just land on that and see where it's already different
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  Speaker 1: and just trust that you go with it. So that's
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  Speaker 1: another thing too, sky Si, I.
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  Speaker 2: Brought that up. Yeah, I was gonna just highlight that
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  Speaker 2: same comment as well, because I brought this up to
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  Speaker 2: Tambo before the show. Here, however, I mean, we're this,
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  Speaker 2: we're all the results right, the stat MEU guys and
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  Speaker 2: everyone that goes out there. Okay, what are game logs
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  Speaker 2: with Chase and Higgins together? Typically their pricing is much different, right,
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  Speaker 2: Chase isn't eight K, He's usually nine K or whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: And Higgins has been seventy five hundred, seventy six hundred,
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  Speaker 2: seventy eight hundreds. So from a pricing aspect, I mean
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  Speaker 2: they were priced much higher when Tyler Boyd was there,
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  Speaker 2: which is basically Yoshi vas Now. Tyler Boyd was priced
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  Speaker 2: in that mid five K range. Yoshi Vash was all
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  Speaker 2: the way down to four K. So from a pricing
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  Speaker 2: at and Burrow was over seven k right for the
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  Speaker 2: most part when that kind of stuff was happening. So
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  Speaker 2: the pricing kind of inhibited that a little bit, right.
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  Speaker 2: Whereas we just went through the pricing Burrow at sixty
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  Speaker 2: four hundred or fifty right, the super under priced right
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  Speaker 2: sixty four hundred, Chase had just eight K. Right. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's a big reason for that Why they haven't
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  Speaker 2: because I said, I probably went to got there because
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  Speaker 2: I know that everybody knows that, right. I see all
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  Speaker 2: the stats as well. It's very rare that Chase and
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  Speaker 2: Higgins both go off in the same game until they do,
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  Speaker 2: like Tampbell likes to say, and they're underpriced for the
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  Speaker 2: role and the matchup.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a big one. I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about one other thing too. I just want to
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  Speaker 1: see something here, but the ship Deviser shows here too,
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  Speaker 1: so if I go sort my price. This was another
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  Speaker 1: factor as well. It's always the slate at hand. Remember
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  Speaker 1: when we talk about the stuff, it's generic concepts, ideas, theories,
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  Speaker 1: things that we can bring into the future. But this
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  Speaker 1: is something to bring into the future. It's every slate
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  Speaker 1: is different. Here's another example. Yesterday everyone started talking about,
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  Speaker 1: oh I thought the NFL passing game was broken. Yesterday
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  Speaker 1: was literally the best matchups we've had all season on paper.
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  Speaker 1: It could go right back next week where touchdowns are
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  Speaker 1: back down if the matchups aren't as strong. We had
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  Speaker 1: some crazy good matchups and spots yesterday. If you're seeing
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence come out with his bag, we told you'd
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  Speaker 1: have a good game because he was in the best spot.
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  Speaker 1: That was what I'm talking about. It's not calling a
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  Speaker 1: good play a good play, it's saying the matchups in
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  Speaker 1: that situation for the environments, the totals we had. We
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  Speaker 1: just had a better slate for that stuff. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: talking about like cornerback versus wide receiver matchup, which I
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  Speaker 1: usually talk differently about. I'm talking just in general. We
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  Speaker 1: did have some good matchups that way. So just to
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  Speaker 1: talk about that, that's one thing. But the bigger thing
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  Speaker 1: is the slate at hand. When you sort my value
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  Speaker 1: and you see we have a forty three hundred dollars
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: running back. We had all cheap tight ends already that
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: you probably didn't need, Giseki or all. I played some
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: lineups with them. I know others did that we're going
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: to review as well. I'm not against it. I love
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: when you're playing the cheap tight end. I'd rather put
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: it in to the Burrough stack. But just to show
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: it out, that could have been a fourth person that
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: you plug in. But the main thing going back to
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: wide receivers was Chase Nico, who it sucked he got injured.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: He started off really strong and was a great leverage
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: play yesterday because he didn't actually end up getting the
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: ownership we thought he would. But you knew Tyreek wasn't
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: in a great spot. You were kind of just using
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Marv Harrison in the runback spots. I think DK was fine.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: Obviously his value was good, and if people were playing
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of you know, Walker and that sort of stuff,
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: I could see that the digs revenge game all that,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: but Deebo it was kind of like down here everybody
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: was going. So the other thing is just in the
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: range of Higgins, who was low owned six percent or something,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: you had popular Pittman, McLaurin, Deontay Johnson, even Amari Cooper,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: and then on top of that you had Brian Thomas
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Junior who had a great game underneath it. So don't
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: be afraid to take out the more popular value option
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: where people are just playing them to play them, and
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: plug in another guy that fits the stack. Obviously, if
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: Burrow has forty points, it could just be through Chase,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: but there's a chance that Higgins got in there as well.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: So again, all how many builds you have, how you
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: build in general, but the slate at hand, there was
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: enough value to make it work. The prices were down
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: on Burrow and Higgins versus their usual price, and even
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: some cases Chase, and it was in a popular area
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: that everybody was going to someone else. There Na it's
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: just anything else on that you want to add before
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: you move on.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And also, I mean going back to the Stone, right,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: you got to look at what the offen, how the
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: offense operates. I mean they're in a seventy five to
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: twenty five pass run split, right. I mean you got
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Chase Brown and you got Zach Moss both eating into
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: each other at the position, and the team wants to
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: throw the ball seventy five percent of the time in
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: a big total, in a close spread, right, So that's
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: also part of it. How could both of them get
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: together get there together? Well, you want a team that's
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: going to throw the ball seventy plus percent of the time.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: You don't want a fifty five forty five split something
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: like that where okay, there's limited passing attempts. So that
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: also plays into it, right, And that's why the Stone
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: is just the greatest two in all of dfs. I
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: mean everything is on here. Here is the box of
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: the puzzle that tells you how to put it together.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Does it always get there? No, absolutely not, But is
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: the writing there? And obviously we've on this every single
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: show so far this year, and can go right back
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: to our tools and how you can get there. Obviously
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: you're not going to get there every every week, but
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: everything is right here. Right If a team's going to
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: get their double stack like that, I mean you want
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: them to be throwing the ball, and obviously Cincinnati does that.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll move on. Everyone knows that. I think that's
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: the good part is if you're a member, you have
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: access to it. We try and put it up on
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: the Sunday show once we get the certain amount of
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: engagement on the show. But for this one, let's go
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: to the winning twenty dollars million maker looking over here
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: on Fantasy Labs, dust Pop, who had one hundred and
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: fifty lineups in and you know we will get there.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I guess let's save dust Pop strategy. But had a
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: few good finishes, including the ultimate good finish, which was
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: the number one ship that you could find the million
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: bucks until December twenty ninth, when the ultimate ship is
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: for two million dollars. The thirty three thirty three so
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: excited for that tournament December twenty ninth. But just to
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: note it here, of unconventional it was the Jamar Chase
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Higginstack with Lamar against each other, Shuba and DeAndre Swift,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: A McLaurin one off, Tucker Craft, Darius Slayton, and the
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Denver d so four spots there with lower ownership and
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Nate's I'll let you break it down first, see what
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: you see, and then the chat you guys can fire
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: away any questions that you have as well, and I'll
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: try and get to those also.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so in a game like this, I mean many
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: people would say, well, why not just use Burrow there?
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is kind of a way that you're
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: running it back a chase in Higgins. If they both
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: get there, it's likely the game is high scoring. Who's
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: it going to be if it's not Henry right, because
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: you're burning up both the running back spots, grab the
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: other running back on the team in Lamar and if
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Lamar outscores, Joe Burrow right, because you have the salary
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: to do so, you have a completely different stack option. Right,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: because everybody's gonna double stack right, usually with their with
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: their quarterback. I know I've used the strategy sum Tampbell.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: You you talked about it, right, You expect the game
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: to be high scoring when you when you're using two
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: wide receivers from the same offense and then running back
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: on the other side with Lamar, So I thought that
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: was a great strategy. Obviously when we get his exposures
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: that that's gonna make more sense to punting off the
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: running back position in the same game, I think is
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: an interesting strategy. And we've seen this work quite a
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: few times. Actually, we all knew Chubo was in a
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: good spot, right, good play DeAndre Swift under price for
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: what his talent level is, and obviously he should have
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: had a bigger day too, right he fell down and
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: got vaulted at the one by Roshawn Johnson after a
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: big run, and then finally got his other one there.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: But using both running backs in the game when hey,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: you just expect it to kind of be a sloggy game.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: The game's in Chicago, it's not a great place, it's outdoors.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Why can't it just get there through the ground and
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: just use both your running back spots there? That are
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: all also leverages off the more expensive guys in that range, right,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: the Jordan Mason's, the Kenneth Walkers that are a little
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: bit more expensive. You still got running back once here
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: in the offense pairing those two guys together. So overall,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I mean I think that's that's the biggest thing, and
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: then you just fill it out with the value plays
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: to make everything else work. Right, Denver defense Tucker Kraft,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: which again when we get to his exposures are going
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: to make more sense there too. But overall, I mean,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: I think it is an interesting strategy. And if you
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: see he won by point five and the team that's
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: a three way chop in second place, right, was built
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: much more conventional, So sometimes it does pay off in
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: the grand scheme of things. I mean, sixty thousand dollars
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: versus a million dollars for building a little bit unconventional
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: because you're playing against one hundred and seventy thousand other
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: other entries.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, certainly that's part of it, right, just getting
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: unique in general. But just to know, I'll go through
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: it in a second, we'll get to that. I'm gonna
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: pull up that chopped lineup as well. It's more conventional.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: But another thing here, d minus Rush defense. See, we
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: had them both double digits optimal on the slate, even
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: though there was some negative leverage, they were still very
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: like fur the price point. If you had to get
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: to that by going to Lamar, certainly that would make
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: sense on why you get there, so it's fine. Another
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: thing that just goes with is what I always talk
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: about a smaller total, lower total game, like, oh, they
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: can't all be good plays, They're only going to put
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: up so many points. It was a forty six point
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: total that it got to ten and thirty six, and
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: even with just ten points eighteen and a half, like
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: people really confuse real life points with fantasy points and
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: in a price based game, he's sixty one hundred. We
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: knew he's gonna get that type of work and he could.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I think he ended up being just shy of the Yeah,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, this was the story. Funny enough, they pull
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Dalton for Bryce Young. The minute Bryce Young comes back in,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: there's like nine more plays, not a single part for
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Hubbard or Deonta, I believe, so just you know the
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: way it works. But same when they confuse defense, it's like, oh,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: this defense got a touchdown, the slate's over. No, there
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: was like four defenses have got a touchdown in the afternoon,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and it still ended up being Denver on this one.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: But the Giants, if someone has the mayor, actually ended
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: up getting two more that we talked about, so you
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: could have still got there in different ways. And that's
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: what I was gonna say with this one needs is
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: conventional is Lamar here, it's Derrick Henry here, and it's
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the Giants here, and you still win the Millie, right
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: because you get two points more here, one point nine
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: less here, and a small point something more here, So
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: you still end up winning the Millie by a hair.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: But you have those game stack. You have it with Burrow,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: you have it with Jamar Chase Higgins instead of Hubbard.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: You're up to the the Derrick Henry play, and then
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: you drop down to the defense for the Giants. So
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: you can definitely still get there in this bill. But
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I think the one thing for me that stands out
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: is he didn't really go outside of the box besides
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the stack and the quarterback of the opposing team. Other
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: than that, like like not complete over chalk, but definitely
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: more popular for the price point in the rain, popular
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: popular super chalk super chok, like just get it different
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: in a few spots but still make the lineup makes
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: sense and certainly, like think Rinn said it, who's excited
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I know that EVR is back this week in the
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: PGA streets, but said the naked quarterback option is nice
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: on Ship Deemizer. I picked my quarterbacks. They're so dangerous alone,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and when it's harder to pick that side. We talked
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: about it being harder to max that side up. But yeah,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: when you go into Ship Deemizer, you can actually just
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: set it up. The naked quarterback. You would just turn
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: this off to start it, literally says naked QB.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: You can.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: You can't mess it up. And there's a disclaimer says
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: set which teams can have a quarterback with no other
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: flex positions. And then you just go down the list. Okay,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Kyler fits that, Lamar fits that, Allen fits that, and
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: then decide where you want to go. But it will
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: only allow that. And then you can even say up
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: here in the force no stack percentage, the percentage of
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: lineup set will be forced to have no stack. So
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: he said, I really just kind of want ten percent
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: of my lineups to have this, and really I'm only
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: gonna do it with Lamar. Then you'll get ten percent
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: of your lineups with Lamar and no other Ravens in
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: that lineup. So just tons of different ways that you
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: can use it. Let's look at dust Pops set back
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Before we do that, let's go to the second line
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: up there real quick, just because people want to see
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: probably that this was a three way chop, so clearly
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: people saw this as the more conventional. It hits all
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the green boxes, you don't need the running back Dstenates,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: but run us through this one near what do they got?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously it's got the burrow Chase Higgins double stack.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: He ran it back with the wide receiver one Zave Flowers,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: who I mean, he's averaging what eight targets a game
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: in that offense and seems to be pretty matchup proof
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: with with Lamar. I mean when Lamar's running back there
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: like a I mean that one play he had, I
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: mean he had a run fifty yards before he threw
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: that ball. But when you got a quarterback like that,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I mean Zay Flowers, pretty much matchup proof. He's got
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: all the time in the world to get open. So
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: run it back there, don't mess with the Bateman's. The
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Andrews didn't have the money to get up to Derrick
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Henry because obviously he was probably going in. They were
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: going in on the Kenneth Walker chalk right the chalker there,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Cuba Hubbard, same thing. We already broke that down and
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: then just plugging in in the Denver defense. But with
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: the Walker he ran it. They ran it back with Slayton.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: So if Walker is having a big game on the ground,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: guess who no Elite neighbors for for down the field?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Who's the who's the next guy for down the field?
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: It's not Wanda Wandell Robinson, who's the slot kind of
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: the touch guy. It's Darius Slayton down the field, right,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: So he's thirty nine hundred the little secondary stack there
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: with Walker, and if Walker smashing on the ground means
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: the Giants definitely got to be pushing the ball down
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the field with a guy like Slayton, So that's a
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: good secondary stack. They're a different way to do it, right,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: because most people were using Walker and Robinson in that
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: secondary stack. So so getting to Slayton there I thought
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: was good. And then just plugging in the chalk craft
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: in Denver defense, which we're two under price for the spot. Obviously,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: people are going to have their takes on that with
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Denver Defense coming in thirty five and one hundred and
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: eighty thousand field tournament, but it is what it is, right.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Kyle, you hit me up at the
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: DM there. I appreciate I don't have that one up,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: but yeah, you had it three v three off this exact.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: That's what I was talking about. And the one thing
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: we won't know because somebody mentioned Ross did a great
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: job here, I think is again like it's just funny people,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Oh of course the fifty point total game went off.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: There's no ownership six percent, five eight eleven, Like, don't
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: act like everyone just got lucky and played the chalk
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and hit like, that's not what happened that game. People
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: couldn't figure it out. People were scared of the triple stack.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: It just they you didn't get there. People didn't build
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the three wide receivers in like I talked about, like
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: all that stuff. It's it's not like it was super common.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: You're just seeing it at the top of all the
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: leaderboards because those are all the people that went to it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: So obviously in a large field tournament, there's more than
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: enough lineups that got to it. It's not my point
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, but people act like, oh, of course the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: biggest total game got there, Then why didn't you play it?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Why weren't you all in on it like, that's how
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I look at this stuff and look one, two, three,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: four guys under five you know, seven eight nine percent
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: When everyone say five under ten, call it and round
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Jamar Chase down at eleven point seven more.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: One more point on that too, Tampbell where quote unquote
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: bearing right, I used this in baseball a lot, bearing
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: your outfield spots on the same team, bearing your wide
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: receiver spots in the same stack. Because guess what, guess
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: what's the most popular build was yesterday? It was three
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: running backs, right, So in order to play a fourth
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: wide receiver, you have to use up your flax switch
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: you know is going to be used up with running
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: back on the majority of the lineups in the tournament, right,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: or used up on a guy like Jayden Reed or
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Dantean van Wis right in that massive total game that
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: that everyone was going to in the afternoon. So that's
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: just another leverage play in itself right right there, built in.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Dre, we appreciate. I know we're gonna look at
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: some FanDuel lineup with your stuff and Gang Green, I'll
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: give you, you know credit for this. I think this
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: is important as well. It's it's I built well just
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: went to target instead, Like he said, I hit the
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Houston Bills game instead looked similar. I built, well, just
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: went to the he went to that game. That's what
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: he targeted. Just the note again, no one we talked
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: about on the show yesterday. I said, it's basically Patrick
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Mahomes two point zero. It's not victory lapping as much
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: as just to say, I think it was way harder
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: to stack Josh Allen up, like it's just is it
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: gonna be Samuel? Is it gonna be? Coleman? Mac Collins
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: was getting targets and people liked him. King Kid is
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: healthy and in the mix. They've got other guys that
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: they actually used. And James Cook I thought was a
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: pretty good play there too for leverage, and we'll get
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: to him later. But the other thing was look past
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: be past b minus like it just to me it
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: wasn't a better spot. It was way harder to stack
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: up and the total was the exact same right here,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and you kind of knew exactly what to do on
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: one side, pick your poison on the other. It was
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: it was right there. So again doesn't make it right
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: or wrong. It's not just results oriented. It's what looked
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: better what was easier the other thing made just back
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: to this one too. If you're gonna play Kenneth Walker,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: we talk about this all the time. And in a
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: secondary stack, how do we slash that ownership get the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: product ownership down? Is throwing a four point six percent
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: piece goes against the three running back day that a
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: lot we're going with and really slashes into that ownership
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: of twenty five point six. So this secondary stack, even
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: if you thought, you know, the other stuff was gonna
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: be a bit more popular with Cuba, with Den or
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: with Craft, this still was a way to cut into
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: it to get another leverage piece into your lineup. It
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: wasn't Tracy who was more popular. It was Slate, even
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: though both had pretty good days for their price point.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: One was Darius break the Slate and one was Tracy
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: a good value play. So there's that. And the last
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: thing I'll say is we also don't know if they
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: late swapped to this because to Russ's point, where I
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: originally started with the sorry Ross's points always here. We
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: appreciate you. Ross said, I swapped onto this after I
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: had that. That's where I had the little rant because
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: that's the facts. That was a nuke. You knew when
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: you had Burrow Chase Higgins to start things off, and
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: even if you had the Z version, especially but even
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the Henry was fine with sixteen. You're like, all right,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I got what I You had the low ownership guys
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: that broke the slate already or were in pretty good shape.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: You never know if it actually broke the slate till
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the afternoon happens. But my take is like, this was
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the right move for you to move this stuff like
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: bow Melton and THEO Johnson And we'll get to that
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the first lineup we review here in a second. But
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I think you did the right thing and we'll never
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: know if these guys did either. But like you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: once you have that stuff go off at such little ownership,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: you can go to craft and denver d and feel
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: good about it. If that's how you do your swaps,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Nate's I'll kick it to you because you play less lineups,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: but you play sort of condensed process and everything we
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: talk about here, How do you handle your late swap
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: or do you have a process in relation to late
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: swap because we get questions every week. I get dms
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: about it, all this stuff where I know people have
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: no process to it, and so I'm trying to help
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: them learn and understand what that looks like. But what
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: do you do?
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So first off, obviously you start looking right when
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: pretty much when red zone kind of hits that witching hour, right,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: obviously more scoring can happen. But that's kind of my tea,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: right when witching hour hits on red zone, to hey,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: look at my teams, look where they're sitting, kind of
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: look what I got. And obviously you know, right, what
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: kind of the quote unquote nuts from the morning is
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: right when you're sitting on a burrow Chase Higgins, Right,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: they're all low ownership. I'm much more likely to eat
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: higher chalk and just get better better plays that are
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: going to increase the floor, that lineup to to hold
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: as much cash as possible and potentially even shoot up
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: further because you know, you're already so much different than
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: the rest of the field. However, on the flip side,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: when I know I have a team that Okay, I
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: didn't have any burrow yesterday, I didn't have any Chase sister,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't have none of that stuff yesterday. So I
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: was looking at teams, Okay, how can I get to
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: the min cash line to reap some of my profits
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: or my entry fees back. Well, it's not going to
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: be playing the Tucker Craft. It's not going to be
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: playing that Chalky plays that thirty five forty percent of
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: the field they're on because guess what, they also have
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: that paired up with a burrow. They have it paired up,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: so they already have me beat in overall lineup score already.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going to swap to higher upside lower ownership plays
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: that are still good plays. Do they get there? You
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: don't know, right, But that's kind of the way to
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: approach it. So when you have the lower owned stuff
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: that are there, I look for more safety in my
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: swaps versus on the flip side. If I know I'm
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: kind of behind the eight ball, I'm looking for higher
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: up to get off that ownership. So that's kind of
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: the first play. And then obviously I look at our
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: tools and projections and all that kind of stuff. But
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: that's kind of the first point on where I look,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: and I think it is definitely important to look at.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that gone. I think the breakdown is
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: good because I think more people play less lineups, but
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: it really doesn't matter. So I do want to add
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: this on as just my extra piece, like you won't
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: see it probably on my phone with the focus. But
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: first of all, you have to know to late swap.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: You talk about witching hour, is your sort of bell
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: that goes off. I have it in my phone. It's
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: again now it's second nature, but I still have it
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: there because I just that reminder is important to make
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: sure I'm looking at. It can be the difference between
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: a profitable week. It can be the difference between losing
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: a bunch of money making a bunch of money. And
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I'll talk about that in a second. I've certainly made
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: six figure late swap mistake in the wrong direction, which
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: hurt me for quite a while, but bounce back well
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: last year from it. But just to note that if
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: you have a process at least you can stick to it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: What ends up happening is should I late swap? Should
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I late swap? You have to know why and how,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: and you just hit on a bunch of key points.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: But just to add on, like again, but if you
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: always do it, then do it. If you always do it,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: and the way you do it is via the projections,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: and you say, look, I already hit on my low
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: own stuff. I'm gonna move all these other pieces to
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the ten point better projection lineup. I like that. I'm
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: good with that. I would do that if that's what
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: you always do. But you also have to remember what
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: the mistake can happen. So I've done this before. My
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: process is the ladder of what I just talked about,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: where I switched to the much better projection, much better
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: spot based on injuries and whatnot, and the two v
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: two swap cost me one hundred thousand dollars. I ended
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: up making like six hundred bucks instead of one hundred
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: grand for third place. It was in a milli maker tournament.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Actually it was a million, two fifty one hundred. It
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: was one on FanDuel, the Big it's called like the
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: FanDuel Online Final. They charged tw hundred and fifty bucks
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: for each year. That's the one and I made this
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: swap mistake and it's fine because it hurt at the time.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: But what I learned from it was I still stuck
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: to my process and I haven't actually ever done it
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: yet where it's made me one hundred K, but it
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: didn't kill me. I learned from it. I said, look,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: stick with my process and last year I won one
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: hundred K three times since I mean that's well since then,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: so it's like I've won tons of big prizes since. It's
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: not gonna be the end of the world if you
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: make the mistake. But you should stick to what you do.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: But you do have to know that fomo side of it,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Like I said, where it's like, you know, if you
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: make the swap, you can't sit there and be mad.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: If that's your process, that's why you should have one,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: and then it doesn't work out or it actually hurts
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: you to the tune of six figures. You can't let
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: that be like, oh, I'm an idiot. I shouldn't have
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: done it. You did it because it's your process, or
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: you didn't do it because you don't have a process.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: So make sure you've got a plan in mind. Obviously
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: we can elaborate on that further in future, but I
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: just think it's important to know that you should have
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: a reasoning behind you why you're doing what you're doing,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: and if it's part of something you always do, then
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: stick to it. If it's not something you usually do,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: then I wouldn't do it just to do it and
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: that's kind of a topic we could spend more time
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: on another day. Let's see, we got lineups to review,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: but real quick, I do want to pull up the
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: winner dust pop here just to see exposures. This is
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: pretty crazy. Actually played one hundred percent Lamar Jack on
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty lineups at one hundred and forty
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: nine unique used forty two players total. Played one hundred
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: percent DeAndre Swift on this slate, really spread it out
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and capped at wide receiver, played one hundred percent Tucker
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Craft and played one hundred percent denver d Son. Aid's
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: talk to me about this because I think there's certainly
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: a lesson here, but just your thoughts on how he
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: played it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he knew going in, okay, if Lamar
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: gets there, he's got outs, right or actually all the
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I mean really all the guys that he kind of
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: locked right. He just he knew denver D was gonna
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: be chalky. He probably didn't think thirty five percent in
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: this contest, but he didn't care what it was because
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: he just locked him in, right. He took the free square.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I know some people did that, and there's probably a
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: lot of sharp players in this contest or in a
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: lot of contests that just say, Okay, denver D, I'm
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: not I'm either gonna fad him or I'm going all in.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to match the field or things like that.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Obviously that's a whole different conversation. But locked him in there.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: He liked the the the massive total game there, didn't
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: really know who to stack him with. So hey, I'm
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: just gonna go with Lamar and if I get stacks
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: from the Baltimore side, okay, but I'm also probably have
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: a setting in in my optimizer that says I want
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: some game stacks. So he's naturally going to get pieces
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: from the Bengal side in that with with a quarterback
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: that is upside on his own. So I like that.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: The Tucker Craft same thing. So kind of locking the
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: two value plays and then locking your two kind of
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: flag plant plays, I think is an interesting standpoint here
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: because obviously he had a flake plan on Lamar and
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Swift and then the two value plays and Tucker Craft
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: in denver D, who he knew right the field was
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: at thirty one percent and thirty five percent ownership, he
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: knew he was going to be way over the field
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: than that he just locked those two squares in because
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: he already knew he had right. The field came in
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: at six percent on Lamar eighteen percent on Swift, which
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: he probably thought was even going to be less than that,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: so he knew those were his two flag plants. Take
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: the value and then just let the let his settings
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: and his other optimizer in his pool kind of filter
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: in and around those guys. So obviously it's a pretty
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: bold strategy. But when it pays off, it pays off
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: to the extent of one hundred over a million dollars, right,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: a million dollars in like little one point zero three
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: or whatever, like a million and thirty thousand or something
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: like that. So overall, I mean, it's a tighter way
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: to play. He could have had a horrible day, but
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: he knew that going in, right, he's playing against one
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: hundred ninety one thousand entries.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And one thing to note too, it's he played
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: more like I'm just playing my forty two guys. I'm
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: taking my stands at certain positions, and I'm looking for
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: whatever I get. I get because I will not Like
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: there was Lamar lineups with nobody else from the Ravens
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and nobody from the Bengals. There was Lamar with just Chase.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: There was Lamar with Derek Henry, which I didn't like,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: but I'll talk more on that later. But just to note,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: like there's you know, this type of line up here,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Lamar Swift, Tracy Diggs, I you, Thomas Kraft. These are
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: all just good plays, leverage plays, like if you weren't
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: playing the you know, look at the ownership fifteen percent
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: versus twenty five on Metcalf versus Walker, or two hundred
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: bucks more six percent on Ayuk versus who you know.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I said that, Yes, yes, he's got to be a
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: great play, regardless of whatever result happens. He wasn't needed
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: on the main or anything, but he's got to be
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: a great play because everyone loves Mason and everyone loves Debo,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: so he's kind of squeezed in the middle there. A
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: little bit or less than both actually, but way less
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: ownership digs if you weren't getting to Collins or somebody
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: on that team. Tracy fine, DeAndre Swift fine, But just
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: little little notes like that he only had a cap,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: He only had at most twenty percent any wide receiver,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: because if you go to his wide receiver exposure you
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: can see here.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you had a cap of twenty percent on anybody
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: else besides those four guys you locked.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And he only had I mean he I say only,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: but he had fifteen percent, Jamar a little bit of leverage,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: thirteen ish percent t Higgins a little bit of leverage.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: So the fact that not only did you know those
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: two end up together, you know, but on the perfect
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: lineup that he you know, for this tournament, the one
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that did. I'm winning, not perfect overall, but the the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: winning lineup with Lamar like that, that's just the way
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: it works out. But definitely just played a pool of
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: good plays and said like, let's see if I can
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: get the best projection put together. And it didn't look
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: like a lot of you know, extra stacking or anything
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: like that. Obviously it worked out on the main lineup
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: with the leader board here, but no pass catcher, the
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: bringbacks are there. I don't know why it says it
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't because he does have somebody from the other side,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the running back with the d doesn't have
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Max Wanning running back for me, so unconventional, but got
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: there nonetheless, So I think that's a good one to
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: check out let's look, Yeah, that's that's.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Just a go collect. So I want to bring this
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: up because I mean the Denver d was in a
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: good spot. That's why they were came in at thirty
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: five percent. I mean, Denver just came off a massive win.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: They're playing at home, they got a good defense in general.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I mean they have one of the best secondaries in
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the league with certain and that back there, and you
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: got Gardner Minshew with no DeVante Adams. I mean it's
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: just no overall. I mean he's got Jacobe meners Brock
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Powers who's obviously good, but still Gardner Minshew, who's gonna
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: still chuck the ball was a mere wh right, So overall,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: I mean the spot was good and he knew he
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: was chalky and just go in and with it. And
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: the price was good, right, I mean nine hundred for
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: a defense at home in a game that they're projected
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: to win, and Gardner Minsch is projected to have to
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: throw the ball a lot where there's going to be
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: opportunities for interceptions.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the part of it too, that
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: goes like literally locking Craft, locking Broncos, locking Lamar. That's
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: the whole point of what Nate's talked about earlier, just
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: the standard of taking a shot, Like, if you're playing
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: to win, if those pieces of your core get there,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have so many pieces strewn around them that
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: you are very likely to hit the top or near
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: the top withouts because you've got those pieces that are
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: already filled in for you. So will very true with
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: this statement. That's why we usually cap it twenty percent
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: something like that. He did that at wide receiver. He
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: did it a little bit at running back outside of
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: swift right and let everything else mix in and blend in,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: including non three running back lineup. So yeah, just a
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: much crazier strategy. But you know it's a risk reward. Well,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: if you ask what size should my player pool, that's
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: a prime example. We can see a ninety six person
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: player pool or one hundred and five person player pool
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: get to the top. We can see a forty two
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: person player pool with three or four locks in it
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: get to the top. So little things like that, well
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: we'll find out as we go along. Let's look at
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: some of these lineups we got to review here. We
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: got plenty of time, nads to go through this. In
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: the first one, Royal Chief wanted to get in, you know,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: said if you could review this, this was my highest
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: scored lineup. Use the Stack Rankings, DVP Rankings, used it
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: in the Smaller Dollar Mini First Down Contest. Thanks as always,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I got a little bit of a challenge with this lineup,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: so maybe I'll run through it first and then just
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: get your take. But it's a Lamar Henry Bateman run
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: it back with Yoshi Vas. It's got a secondary stack
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: with Connor and Kittle. It's got another secondary stack with
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Red and Atwell and broncos D. So from a setup
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: perspective on this lineup, it's what we talk about all
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the time. It's a three to one, a one one
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: one one or you know, two secondary stacks, and then
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: it fills out with the defense. That to me is fine,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I think. First off, we talked about this yesterday on
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: the show. Not sure if it was watched by Royal's
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: chief here, but just to note, did not like this
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: to start the day. Already, they literally eat into each other,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: so could it have got there, yes, but it's just
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: so unlikely that they're both gonna have the ceiling day
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: that you need. So I didn't really love that stack
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: at all. I also think this lineup's extremely overleveraged, like one, two, three, four, five,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: six guys and that's not even a big deal, Like
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: you can play six guys under ten percent, but when
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: you're adding in Yoshi Vas at one percent, Bateman at
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: point six percent, Connor, who it's fine. I get it,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: flipping that game, you know, the opposite side of Mason,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: But there was like twelve other running backs. I probably
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: had a head of Connor on yesterday's slate. The rest
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: probably all fine, Like I get it. At least you
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: played those places. You played the proper games, Green Bay, LA,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: you played San Francisco, Arizona. I don't think you can
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: completely critique it, but I do think that that was
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: the point when you win. It's super expensive like this
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: up top, it forced you into the Bateman's, Yoshi Vas
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: all these other spots within your lineup. I guess I
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: could be a little bit less hard on the lineup,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: but overall, but I just think it's a little bit much,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: and I think it's the starting point that that hurt
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: you in this spot.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a great call out too, and
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: how can you make that decision for yourself as well?
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Besides listening to the show while going to the stone
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: and looking at Okay, the Ravens, they passed fifty four
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: percent of the time, they run forty six percent of
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: the time. While Lamar Jackson's averaging twelve rushes a game,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: whereas Derek Henry is only averaging eighteen rushes a game.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: So right there they show its negative leverage plus the prices.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, Dereck Henry's seventy eight hundred and Lamar Jackson
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: is seventy five hundred. When you pair those two guys together,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: which are pulling against right, if you expect Lamar to
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: have a massive game, okay, well it's likely Henry's not
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: gonna hit his ceiling at that price. Then it forces
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: you in to use the Batemans and the Yoshi Vases,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: who are wide receivers three and on the respective team.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: If you go down to to one of the cheaper
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: running backs in a good spot, the Tubaha Birds or
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, the list goes on and on, then you
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: can get up to a Chase, You can get up
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: to Higgins, you can get up to a Flowers in
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: the same game where it still makes sense for your
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: overall roster that you're going in on with much better
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: potential right for the ceiling. And that's not results oriented,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: that's just overall using the tools in a different way.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Even if Chase didn't get there, Higgins didn't get there,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Flowers didn't get there, it's still just using the tools
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: differently and just giving yourself better outs to the top
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: without having to find eight diamonds in the rough at
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: sub ten percent. That Okay, I'm super leveraged, and if
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: these guys all go crazy, I'm gonna win win a
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: million dollars, right or whatever first place is. And that's
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: part of the thread that Tampa just put out in
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: the emails. Right, you don't have to be over leveraged.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: We just reviewed a bunch of lineups that won tons
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: of money. Outside of the other contest that we just
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: reviewed that had all chalk besides three or four positions, right,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: they had the Burrough double stack that was some ten
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: percent owned, and then they ate chalk everywhere else.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like let your your your non chok, like if
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: you're going way off the board, but like six percent Lamar,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: eight percent McClure and eight percent Higgins, five percent, you know,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: and an eleven percent Jamar Chase, like you already have
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: good players that you just don't need to do that. Again,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go too hard on it, but
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: I will just say, like I think it was the
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: starting point bottled you up a little bit. Henry dropping
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: down to Tracy allows you to get Yoshi Vas up
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: to like a Higgins, or you can make a few
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: more changes, like you know, Kittle becomes craft with that well,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: and then you're able to get up to moving making
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: those two moves where you're able to get up to Chase,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: and that's fine, Like I think leaving Bateman in with
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: it would have been fine and then just moving up
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Yoshi Vas. But you need both these guys to hit.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: You're already asking for a lot and then you're flipping
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: other You're just flipping a lot of situational stuff that
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I just don't think you need to do that, but
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I do. I will say, love the bill structure right,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the three to one with a couple of secondary stacks
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: and the defense. I'm good with that. You built yourself
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: a four game parlay. Love that. And then also I
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: think sticking to the good games like you went Baltimore, Cincy,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Green Bay, Rams, Arizona, San Francisco and the best d
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: spot on the slate, hence the ownership so good with
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: all that, just little things like that, you bottlenecked yourself
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: a little bit, even outside of the results. I said
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: this yesterday, well before the slate started. It's not a
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: results based thing. It was you really hurt yourself here
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: and it bled into the rest of the lineup. So
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's that's the key takeaway for that one.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Let's go on to this next one. I wanted to
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: bring up this one first of all. M Manning's always
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: in the chat shout up to Max right here, said
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: love this show earlier. Appreciate that family man got the
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: family pick up there, so I appreciate that too. But
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: just looking at the lineup, thirtieth place for thirty five hundred,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Max is still in here, but
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: if you are just curious, what tournament was it, the
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Wildcat or what was it in? But just to note,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: he did go with the Burrough stack with all juniors,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: so all ended up actually getting to double ownership in
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: some of this stuff. And I'm not even against it,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: like I get that that does make it a little
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: bit tougher, But at the same time. At least it's
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: to round out a stack and to make other stuff fit.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: This one kind of makes sense on paper. Higgins for
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: the two KSE savings, should I talked about it yesterday.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: If you weren't getting to Chase still had a pretty
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: good game that allowed you if you wanted to get
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: up to a Derrick Henry you could, So he got
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: that type of stack. Had a couple of Green Bay
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: guys in here with Jacobs and Reid, Brian Thomas Junior,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: with Pittman as a secondary stack. And then I liked
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: the Arizona D because and it was the game change
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: is that the one.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Is the first.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, just a note, really good lineup set up
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: overall didn't completely pan out. I think it's good for
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: that style of tournament too, where you can get away
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: with a little bit more. It's just unfortunate you didn't
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: have Chase in there instead of all that stuff. But
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: just to note, Yeah, a couple things. One I was
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: gonna say first, I like the D because I've been
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: talking about this lately. It didn't work out. Just to
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: talk about it, I call it the free square. It's
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: not about the result, and so people have probably already
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: heard this rant. I'll make it. I'll wrap it up,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: make it quicker. But if you're not playing Mason and
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: you're not playing Debo, I just don't have a problem
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: with landing on that because it's fine. Like to me,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: it's fine. You're already saying I'm not seeing them doing
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: the work. Maybe it's because they fumble or make mistakes
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: or the team screws up, or whatever else it might be.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: And in the end, the forty nine Ers did lose
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: that game, so it was an interesting spot. He went
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: to there, but our guy go collect too sharp. He's
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: already on it the flex, like Read should have been
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: in the flex, Pittman should have been in the wide receiver.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: That would allowed you opportunity to make late swaps later on,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: with Jacobs and Red for sure both being able to
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: be plays that you could move around and the Arizona
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Cardinals d So just to note it, I mean, you
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: could have had that as something else you thought about,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: but it looks like you were leaving it either way.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Nate's I'll let you take a look at this one.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: What's your thoughts.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the first thing, right obviously. Pittman and
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: swapping and read because that would allowed you more flexibility.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: You could have got to some running backs there. When
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: you knew Derrick Henry in this contest kind of capture ceiling, right.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Obviously he didn't have a terrible game, but it kind
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: of ceiling in a contest that's a two hundred and
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: eighty two entrance person, it's a little bit easier to
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: kind of look at the leaderboard and kind of put
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: the pieces together if you do that kind of in
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: depth analysis. I mean, you're not going to go through
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: six thousand entries above you and a million maker, But
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: in the two hundred and eighty two person contest that
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: you're paying fifteen hundred dollars to be in, you can
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: pull the lineups out of their export, the CFF whatever
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: and kind of make and look at different tweaks. And obviously, Max,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: you're a great guy and we appreciate you tuning in
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: here and smitting this great finish there. But I'm sure
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: you're very serious about a sport like NFL DFS to
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: be able to make that. So that's one thing I
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: wanted to call out there. I don't have a problem
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: with it with that all, Junior, the Higgins Burrow I mean,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: like I said, Higgins came off ten targets last week.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: All was in a great matchup, great spot. They like
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: him there. Even if with gaseki back, he's still getting snaps,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: he's still getting routes. So I don't mind that Derrick
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Henry was in a good spot. It's a great run back, right,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: how do you attack Cincinnati was through the ground, right,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Derrick Henry could have had a massive day, right. Obviously
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: it was Lamar, So I don't have a problem with that.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: The Jacobson Reid thing, I don't mind that. I did
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: use the combo pack a lot, but I was doing
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: it more with a cheaper receiver like a Wix or
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: a bow Melton or a Tucker Craft with Jacobs, because
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: if Jacobs and Reed are both getting there, it's very
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: hard to imagine a Ram on the other piece. At
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: those prices weren't also getting there. So I don't know
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: if I would have did that. Having read in the
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: flex would have allowed you to get to a different
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: play in that regard, But overall, great build. I don't
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: mind the combo pack of that. I would have just
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: did it with two cheaper guys at lower ownership. I
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: mean you knew Jayden Reid was going to be approaching
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: fifty percent in this contest, so using him and Jacobs,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: it would have been hard to see somebody else having
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: a similar build not have one of those rams that
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: would have got there. That's that's the only other call out.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you brought up a really good point
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: that I'll finish on. Then we'll go to the next lineup.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Shout that the max he was in the chats that
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: knew that was coming with the skeleton there for being
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: dead like this is the setup, but go collect mentioned
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: it all was cheap enough, so I really liked the
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: lineup overall, especially for the tournament that he was in,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Like this makes perfect sense. I think you nailed it, Donades.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: The late swap thing is not just to call out
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: on the obvious that you got it in the wrong
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: area when you're in the tournament size that's that small,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: that it's a single edged like that's gonna be a
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: key focus. I don't care if you're playing ten grand
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: plus yesterday, you're gonna go to your fifteen hundred dollars
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: single entry at some point when you have that kind
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: of start, And it's not about should you have swapped.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I think you were fine. You were already in a
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: good place with a good lineup, Like I'm fine with
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: you even leaving it. It's more of making sure you're
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: setting yourself up for that in the future, because that
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: is most certainly a tournament not only you're going to
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: go and check, but where you're going to maybe be
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: able to make an impact based on how small the
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: field size. And again that matters when you're building, which
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: is the all call out, Like it's fine for that
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: size tournament. You still have the passing game. You ut
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: more money to get to some even better plays in
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: the lineup that just didn't fully perform. You had a
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: lot of really mid tier performances Henry Jacobs read Pittman,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: all those guys who could have had more in their tank.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: But just to note, I like it for setting it
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: up that way, but certainly think you should keep that
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: in mind for future. Let's go to this next one,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Zach Tyler. He says, my best lineup yesterday twenty dollars
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: three entry max early only, so early only, keeping mind aids,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: that's one thing I want to look at here. Certainly
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: fun playing some of those slates too, especially on a
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: slate like yesterday, just a keynote on that, not just
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: the early only angle. First of all, on early only,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: it's nice because there was a lot of action in
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: the afternoon yesterday that you could just avoid altogether. Second
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: of all, even for the main slate, just a key
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: takeaway is if everybody's focusing like there was people saying
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I got my whole cash line up in the afternoon.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Anytime you have a slate like that, it's always a
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: good idea. And this is part of reflecting back and
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: just remembering little tidbits and things as you go along.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: It's not a bad idea to get after some of
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: that stuff in the morning because it doubles down, right,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: even if it's just the part of your portfolio. Obviously
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Higgins would have fit into that, or sorry Burrow Higgins, Chase,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: those guys would have fit into that. But you're able
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: to set yourself up for those late swaps that we
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: just talked about and making those people in the afternoon
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: real skirmish when they're like, oh man, I missed out
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: on what looks like the nuts already. They need Jordan
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Love and those boys to have huge games now, and
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: they're kind of just sitting ducks. Well you're sitting there
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: pretty just having the pieces that compliment that or go
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: with it. So I think that's another takeaway there. Neate's
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: anding to add on early only if not take us
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: into this line up here and what do you see?
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think even if I'm building a lineup
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: that has all early only players, I'm still putting it
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: in the main. But if you're building for the main
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: and you realize, okay, after you get your lineup, you
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: like where it is, and you notice, okay, it's got
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: all afternoon players or all early players, go put that
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: same exact build into the early only contest or the
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: afternoon only contest. So then it's still in two spots
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: at once. Right, I think just adding on to what
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Tamball was saying there, just because I mean, it gives
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: you different different areas and different outs for more profit.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: It is the only additional ad there. But I mean
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: the Burrow Chase stack you find the Mark Andrews pulled
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: that front from Tamba. I know Tamble talked about him
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: quite a bit on the show at four K right,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: he had the old opportunity, right, he had what like
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: four for fifty five or something could have had a touchdown.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: I mean Cole Cohlar was in there with the touchdowns.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: I mean literally everybody.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Andrews dropped out like the one or two on that,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: and then.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Everybody in this game scored a touchdown besides Mark Andrews,
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: so pretty much, I don't I don't mind that. I
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: like that the Downs and Thomas secondary stack. I really like, right,
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: especially with Joe Flacco in that offense, it just automatically,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: I mean you take your franchise quarterback out and naturally
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: the offense becomes better for DFS, which is kind of
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: crazy to say, right because he's just gonna chuck the
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: ball right. So Downs that obviously he Downs had a
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: connection with him when when he came in last week.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: So I like that. Brian Thomas is a certain it's
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: doud there the textings d I mean, I think it's interesting,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: but I just don't know if I would have ended
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: up on something and it's not results oriented when you
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: got I mean maybe if you're playing because you're not
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: playing Josh Allen, you're not playing Cook, you're not playing that.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: But I just, I mean, I just don't know if
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: the opportunities were going to be there. Buffalo, especially if
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: they're playing with the lead, is very easy and very
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: willing to kind of sit on the ball and run.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: So from an opportunity standpoint, I don't know if I
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: fall on that. But that's a little little minor thing there,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: And I mean outside of that, I think it's a
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: good build. It's got the Hubbard and in the swift
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: combolet we've seen one win all the big contest on
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: the Slate's overall great build. But the only additional thing
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: would add it to the main or vice versa. If
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: you're building a main lineup, added to the early only
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: or afternoon only if you realize all your plays are
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: from that time slot.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and one other thing. He said this, and it's
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: not results oriented. It's gonna seem this way because it's
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: with Higgins. He literally said, he said, he said, I
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: don't know if Cooper over Higgins was the wrong play
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: or not. It would have let me finish in first
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: though with Higgins. I think three notes that I would
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: take away as one, I like to double stack Joe Burrow.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I don't care that it's early only or a smaller slate.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: There's still six games I think for him to have
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: this type of performance, somebody else is coming with him,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: and so I would have really liked that too. I
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: talked him this plenty yesterday. I rarely ever see a
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Murray Cooper break a slate unless it's attached to his quarterback.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: And again, I believed in Watson. I know others did
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: as well. We played him yesterday. So it's not saying
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: like I knew that I'm saying, but I would want
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: to attach Cooper more to Watson for the same reason
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I want to attach Chase to Joe Burrow. If Chase
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: has a huge game like this, Burrow smashed, which is
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: the case, so Chase is on the case. Some might
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: be watching pop patrol out there. We had that in
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: the discord yesterday. A lot of people bringing that one up.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: But Chase was definitely on the case. And if you
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: want to go here and put Higgins. The other thing
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: is the leverage, like you have fifty percent almost thirty
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: five twenty another chalk piece like Cooper was still chalk
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: two thirty six. You know, one guy at five percent
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: and a defense at lower own trip. I like the
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Houston d You're you're saying, I'm not touching that game,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: So why not just play the d at home against
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Alan who can make mistakes. But I definitely would have
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: liked Higgins in there more, and I know it would
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: have got you the ship. But I think from double
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: stacking Burrow not stacking Cooper and the leverage that you
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: were missing in this lineup, I would have I would
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: definitely recommend you double stack Burrow in that it just
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: happened to be that its results oriented because Chase would
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: have had a better game and won it for you.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think an additional ad is is how do
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: you decide whether you're gonna single or double stack a quarterback?
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: And I think it goes back to the rushing upside piece.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Does Burrow have upside from a rushing standpoint? Yeah, maybe
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: if he's he's getting pressure on him and he's got
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: to scramble for three yards, But he's not gonna have
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: design runs. He's not going to be a Jaden Daniels,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: a Lamar Josh Allen that have designed runs and gonna
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: scramble and get you forty yards on the ground that
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: you're hoping that he could get you for the ceiling
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: performance and you already knew. I mean, I was on
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: watch I was on Cooper stacks. You already knew that
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: game was going to get ownership, especially in the early
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: only time slot. So you're grabbing a chalky piece. Cooper's
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: not going to go out there and get you ten
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: for one hundred and twenty and no touchdown, right, He's
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: pretty touchdown dependent if he has a big game, Like
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: you said, Deshaun Watson's likely to have a big game
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: at his price point. So that's that's a great point
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: you did. But how do you get to a decision
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: point of am I going to be able to single
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: stack or double stack this quarterback? It goes back to
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: the rushing upside piece for me, a pocket passer that
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: a pocket passer that's going to throw the ball forty
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: plus times a game. You're likely want to double stack
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: that kind of quarterback with either a running back, a
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: tight end, another wide receiver. It doesn't matter who you use,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: because it just you know, the opportunities are going to
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: be there for those other guys to be brought along
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: with him.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I like this too from a Linai fan like Cooper. Again,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: I don't care about him being at home. That's possibly
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: a thing, but sure, you know going to the DJ
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: more revenge game. Not against what you're saying here. I'm
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: just saying, well, we're talking about it like we are
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: right now. Well, it seems results oriented because Higgins did
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: have the better game, and he literally said would have
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: won him the tournament. It's actually not why we're talking
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: about it. We're talking about for many other reasons, Like
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: we said, double stacking Burrow, no rushing, making sure that
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Cooper would probably be with Watson. It's more likely as
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: that bigger game. It's not just saying it's easy to
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: say after who you should plug in. We're saying why
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Higgins could have made a lot more sense. And I
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: talked about this earlier in this very show. Don't fall
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: into the trap of like, okay, I've got he would
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: have had Deontay Johnson here, he would have had McLaurin here,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: he would have had Cooper here. He could have went
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: to all these guys and they're just safe one offs.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: But you don't have any leverage in your lineup. You
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: have Joe Burrow, you have you know, this is another
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: note too. I'll go to it a second, but Joe Burrow,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Mark Andrews and the Texans d you really don't have
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: much leverage, and then don't forget as much as Chase
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: was only eleven percent on the main slate, you know
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: in early only when people got to spend that, he's
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: going to get even more popular in that. So, I mean,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: you already knew you didn't have much leverage in this
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: lineup and it ended up costing you. So again, great build.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Nothing against it. Cooper could have obviously had thirty points yesterday.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I get it. We're just saying the why and then
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: hopefully you can put that together and think about it
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: for next time. So congrats. Nice finish. Still great build,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Just little things that we're trying to find when we're
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: going through these review shows. And the last one, our
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: girl Drea here, we're gonna bring this up. She plays
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: on FanDuel and she had Burrow Chase Higgins Zay. She
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: said earlier she used my thought process, so you may
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: as well just fill out all those spots. She also
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: said late swap to Harris when she saw both running
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: backs are out, so she was able to get the pit.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: They do include the Sunday game, so she did the
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: running back defense secondary stack. She used Hubbard, who her
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: and I both always love. She's always tagging me, wonder
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: we need him to get the bonus ninety seven yards
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: and FanDuel has the bonus. Now I would have been nice.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: And then THEO Johnson and Josh Jacobs says a way
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: to get a piece of that game Johnson as opposed
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: to Tracy or Slaton or anything like that if she
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: didn't have room for it. So Naids, I'll let you
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: talk about this one quick. I know we don't play
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: a ton on FanDuel, but just we should spend some
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: time on I think it's interesting.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, overall, I think it's a get good bill because
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: especially on Fando right more touchdown de Pennant. Obviously there's
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: still the bonuses and things like that, but half point
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: PPR it's it pays off more to go in. I
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: think on bearing all your wide receiver spots because if
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: you expect Burrow to get there right, you're expecting him
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: to be throwing touchdowns. Who's his two touchdown who's his
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: two best targets. It's chasing Higgins. Zay Flowers is the
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: comeback aer on the other side of the red zone
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: target right the touchdowns there. So I really like that
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: a lot because you're less likely to have a guy
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: go twelve for eighty seven yards and get a bunch
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: of points because he's only getting six points for those
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: twelve catches instead of twelve. So that's tampbeall strategy even
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: plays more dividends, I think on a FanDuel touchdown dependent,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: more touchdown dependent site. So I really like that. I
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: don't know who she swapped off of for Nase, but Nase.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: I mean this guy's dust. But he was in one
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: of the best running back spots of the entire slate yesterday,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: So I do like that play a lot correlated with
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: the Steelers defense at home against dak on the road, right,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: So I really liked that play, and then just filling
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: it in with guys that can score touchdowns Josh Jacobs, right,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Theo Johnson a red zone guy when they're down weapons there.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: So overall it's a great build. Probably didn't get all
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: the way to the top, but I still think from
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: a results standpoint, I don't are a process standpoint. I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: think you were in a great, great process mindset here.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: When you're late swapping, you still want to late swap
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: onto a guy or a player that is in a
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: good spot. And has potential to have a ceiling right
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: and naj did right. It was a great spot. It was.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, Cowboys are one of the best teams the
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: target running backs against, and and I know I was
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: on him heavy for showdown last night, and so overall,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, great build.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go back. It was the early version, so I
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: don't have the finished version up with the Rush d F.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: So you know, you talk about that spot and everything
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: that was there, going back to the Stone and just
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: being able to use our stuff to talk through it.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: I love that. I think on FanDuel it made a
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: ton of sense. Also, Harris was super cheap over there,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: so when you get those injuries and stuff that add up.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I like pairing it with the d going against Dak
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: on the road, all that stuff. You were playing the
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: passing game with Green Bay. The rest just kind of
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: fills itself out. We kne Hubbard's in a good spot.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: We saw I think it was Chicago go back to
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: the Stone again too. Chicago was what a c so
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: that I mean that was definitely a fine spot. I'm
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: good there. I think overall the build very solid, made
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: a ton of sense, especially site dependent for what the
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: site that you were on and you got a lot
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: you have thirty seven, thirty nine could have been more,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: could have been the bonus would have been almost twenty
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: ish because you get three mores eighteen and a half,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: a little bit more at the yards would have been
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: pushing nineteen, So no fumble. Maybe there's opportunity there. Twenty
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: four eighteen and a half could have been even more
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: per Za. And then I don't mind the theo Johnson
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: only because you got to use a onesie up. You
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: got to use up a onesie position the spot and
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: if you're not playing Tracy, which isn't really as good
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: on FanDuel wasn't as cheap or whatever. And then also
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: you're not going to Slayton you want to get a
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: piece of that Green Balle game. I'm fine with the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: way you did it with Jacobs using the flex all that,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I think, Harris. I don't know where your late swat
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: came in, because it would have been later in the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: day and maybe you were just fine with leaving it,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: but you know, would have been the other way around again,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: same thing, just because that night you could have swapped
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: to something else. If everything else, you know, in the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: afternoon busted you could have went from nause Steelers to
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: something else with Dallas and somebody there. But I think
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: that's another little note. But overall, great build, So love
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: to see that obviously. If you guys have more questions,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: you want to bring your lineups in, we'll be back
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: again next week. But I like Zach's call out there. Yeah,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: just you know, build, what's what you're comfortable with? Go
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: ahead and.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Mates, Yeah, and I know Tambell. We talked about those
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: all the time in the discard, We talk about it
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: on the shows we're on. You don't have to play
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: the main slate. You don't have to play that. If
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: you're great at Showdown, right, you do better at showdown
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: you look overall, look at your roy track or whatever
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: you use to track your stuff. If you're playing serious
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: to have this, whether it's a pastime, whether you're full
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: time whatever, you stick to your comfort zone or you
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: stick to what you're good at, right, I mean Tampbo
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: sticks to the sports that he knows, right, Will he
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: dabbling NHL and some of these other stuff, Yeah, absolutely
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: he will. But if you're overwhelmed with main slate, that's fine.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Build for early only, build for afternoon only. If you're
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: better and more profitable a show go higher, go go,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: go more into the showdown streets. You don't have to
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: play every slate, every sport, everything like that. Stick to
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: what you're good at, stick to what you know, and
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: refine a process, and then if you want to add
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: on a main slate or something like that, once you
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: kind of got to a point where you're comfortable and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: you're in a good spot, then you could do that.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: But I didn't want to bring that out because that's important.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Everybody thinks they need to play everything and that's just
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: not the case.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all we were saying, and Drea with your comment
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: there was that there's no way that you couldn't have
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: put Harris in the flex because Jacob's game in the
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: A even if you swapped it just before the afternoon game,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: that's how you had Jacobs and Harris in there. Harris
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: was the very last game of the day, So unless
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: you had a different person there, you still had it
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: in the wrong place. You still would want to add
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Harris in the flex for the most flexibility going into
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: that night game, because, for example, if you're way behind
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: on that slate and you knew Harris was as owned
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: as Harris was going to be. You could have swapped
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: somebody else in that game, like Tolbert for example, and
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: again results torented. But the reason you would have been
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: swapping is because you knew Harris would have been the
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: very popular piece in that last game. And if you
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: wanted to give yourself a leg up or you need
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: to do something together, there would have been a swap opportunity,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: a sw opportunity. If you always want to keep there's
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: a new tamboism to get a swa opportunity. Keep those
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: opportunities in mind. That's what you want to make sure of.
• 1:06:17
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• 1:06:19
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