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‘Tech Tuesday’ with Rich DeMuro | Online Youth Seeking Violent Thrills · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handel on demand from KFI AM 640.
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  Speaker 2: KFI AM 640.
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  Speaker 3: Bill Handel here. Tuesday morning, September the 8th.
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  Speaker 2: And a quick word about some of the stories that
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  Speaker 2: are trending. Some of the big ones is the tariffs.
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  Speaker 2: The Canadian tariffs have just kicked in.
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  Speaker 3: And the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Tariffs, of course, are in place. The big, big tariff
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  Speaker 2: isn't airplanes.
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  Speaker 3: It isn't lumber.
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  Speaker 2: It isn't manufactured goods. The tariffs are those little metal
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  Speaker 2: bands that hold erasers on pencils. Those are manufactured in Canada,
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  Speaker 2: and we've tariffed them out of existence in the United States.
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  Speaker 3: Rich, rich tomorrow. Rich, did you know that, by the way?
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  Speaker 1: Did I know that? No, I did not. I learned
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  Speaker 1: so much from you, Bill.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, that's real, too. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Rich, of course, richontech.tv is his website. Every day he's
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  Speaker 2: on KTLA. Saturdays, 11 a.m. to 2 p.m., host of
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  Speaker 2: Rich on Tech and Instagram at richontech. So that's how
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  Speaker 2: you can reach Rich. In the meantime, here's how we
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  Speaker 2: can reach him. And that's how you can on KFI
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  Speaker 2: here during the morning as you tune in. God, that
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  Speaker 2: was a ridiculous segue into that. Okay, a couple things
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  Speaker 2: I do want to talk about. And that is Apple's
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  Speaker 2: big iPhone event. I talked about this today in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: And I think sort of the buzz out there is
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  Speaker 2: we're looking at a flip phone.
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  Speaker 3: Is that what's happening?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I would actually describe it. It is a
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  Speaker 1: flip technically, but I would describe it better as a
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  Speaker 1: foldable phone because flip kind of reminds you of like
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  Speaker 1: the Motorola flip back in the day, the Razr. This
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  Speaker 1: is more like think a passport or a book. That's
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  Speaker 1: the way it opens. And it's very similar to what
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  Speaker 1: Samsung has done with their foldable this year. They always
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  Speaker 1: had like kind of a they always had one foldable
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  Speaker 1: that looked like a basically a smartphone, like a candy
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  Speaker 1: bar style, they call it, you know, tall and thin.
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  Speaker 1: And then it would open up. But now they did
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  Speaker 1: this year like a passport style, which is a little
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  Speaker 1: bit shorter and wider. And that opens up into a
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  Speaker 1: bigger screen. And it's lighter. It's easier to manage. And
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  Speaker 1: so that's the form factor we're expecting from Apple. In
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  Speaker 1: addition to a couple other phones. So obviously an iPhone 6.
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  Speaker 1: 18 Pro and Pro Max. But the interesting thing, Bill,
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  Speaker 1: is that they're not coming out. Apparently, this is all
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  Speaker 1: speculation until we hear it tomorrow for firsthand. But apparently,
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  Speaker 1: they're not coming out with a standard iPhone 18, which
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  Speaker 1: is like the most popular selling phone, like the base model, basically.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember those foldable, those, the Razor. I think
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  Speaker 3: I had a Razor. I think I had a Motorola.
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  Speaker 2: And those were easy to hold. They were just comfortable
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  Speaker 2: and nothing matched those.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I agree. And that's, I think that's actually
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  Speaker 1: that ease of use and that ease of flipping open
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  Speaker 1: and flipping clothes with one hand is kind of lost
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  Speaker 1: on today's foldables and the flips because, You would think
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  Speaker 1: even with the smaller, you know, Motorola makes a flip
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  Speaker 1: phone and then the Samsung makes a flip phone as well.
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  Speaker 1: And on both of them, it's really tough because they
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  Speaker 1: are smartphones now and they're a little bit heavier and wider.
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  Speaker 1: They're tough to use with one hand. And so that
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  Speaker 1: was the magic of back in the day. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you could open this thing with one thumb and then
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  Speaker 1: you can close it with your one hand as well.
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  Speaker 1: And it was just a magical experience. That's not really
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  Speaker 1: the case anymore. But what these phones give you is,
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  Speaker 1: is a smaller form factor most of the time and
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  Speaker 1: then when you want that bigger screen boom you open
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  Speaker 1: it up and you've got you know what we're expecting
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow is pretty much like almost like a mini ipad
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  Speaker 1: in your pocket which is probably one of the reasons
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  Speaker 1: why apple has not done this for so long because
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  Speaker 1: guess what they sell a lot of ipads and they
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  Speaker 1: know this is going to eat into that business.
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  Speaker 2: There's a story about and I consider this a story
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  Speaker 2: about conspiracy theorists, about your smart TV listening to you.
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  Speaker 2: And I changed my mind when I was talking to
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  Speaker 2: my wife and I mentioned something and all of a
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  Speaker 2: sudden the TV speaker said, you can't be that stupid, Bill.
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  Speaker 3: But the TV was off.
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  Speaker 2: Now, obviously, I'm being a little bit ridiculous, but it
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  Speaker 2: can listen. Does it listen?
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, there's so much going on with this stuff because,
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  Speaker 1: number one, we do know that ads and ad tracking
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  Speaker 1: companies are everywhere. They're all around us. They are constantly
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  Speaker 1: monitoring our moves. Are they listening with a microphone? That's
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  Speaker 1: what people want to think. And that's what it seems like.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly when you open up your phone and you get
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  Speaker 1: an Instagram ad for whatever you talked about 10 minutes before.
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  Speaker 1: And it happens to me, happens to my wife, happened
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  Speaker 1: to us the other day. She said, there's no way
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  Speaker 1: that this could be on my screen. How is this
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  Speaker 1: on my ad? And I said, look, the only thing
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  Speaker 1: I can think of is that we were talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: It saw that I looked it up online and then
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  Speaker 1: it served it up to you because you're in my
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  Speaker 1: same household. Like that's, you know, the main explanation. But
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to these LG TV's, this website, this
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  Speaker 1: YouTuber site called Gamers Nexus, they kind of did some
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  Speaker 1: research on these TVs and they found that through an exploit,
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  Speaker 1: basically an issue with the software, if a hacker wanted to,
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  Speaker 1: they could toggle on the microphone, listen in, extract recordings,
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  Speaker 1: and the screen looks like it's off. And so is
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  Speaker 1: this happening in a big way? Probably not. But the
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  Speaker 1: problem is, Bill, it could. And that's the thing. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: When we find these holes in the software, these security flaws,
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  Speaker 1: the problem is that the hackers know about them and
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  Speaker 1: they make software that exploits them. So what you might
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  Speaker 1: do is download this fun little game that works on
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  Speaker 1: your smart TV, but what you don't realize that in
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  Speaker 1: the background, it's secretly listening to your microphone, collecting data
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  Speaker 1: about your network and doing who knows what with that.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So anything connected to the internet under any circumstances, basically
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  Speaker 2: you're saying can be hacked. Those refrigerators that know the
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  Speaker 2: food going in, the hackers know what kind of food
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  Speaker 2: is going in. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, why would they need to know that?
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  Speaker 1: Who cares? But there's other things they can do with
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  Speaker 1: this information. I think that's where it gets scary. And
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  Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, look, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not trying to scare people into saying, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you got to disconnect everything. But what I
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  Speaker 1: would say is go through the settings on every smart
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  Speaker 1: device you have, because what happens is These companies are
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  Speaker 1: collecting data no matter what, like whether it's a hacker
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  Speaker 1: or an advertising purposes, the data is being collected. And
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  Speaker 1: what they do is they hide it in the settings.
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  Speaker 1: And so go into your settings, go through them one
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  Speaker 1: by one and just see anything that seems unrealistic or
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  Speaker 1: you don't need. Like if it says, oh, do you
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  Speaker 1: need a microphone on your TV? I have my microphone
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  Speaker 1: on my TV turned off because why do I need
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  Speaker 1: Huawei or sorry, it's not Huawei. It's high sense, but
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? It's like, why do I
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  Speaker 1: need my TV brand listening to me when I'm not
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  Speaker 1: using the voice commands on my TV? So I have
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  Speaker 1: that disabled. In fact, I take it a step further.
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  Speaker 1: My TV is not connected to the internet because why
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  Speaker 1: do I need my TV connected to the internet when
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  Speaker 1: I'm using a fire TV stick, which yes, is collecting
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  Speaker 1: data as well. But at least it's one less thing
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  Speaker 1: that my TV is not collecting data because I can't
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  Speaker 1: phone home on the internet.
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  Speaker 2: Rich DeMuro with our tech segment, richontech.tv is his website.
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  Speaker 2: Rich on Tech on KFI, Saturdays, 11 to 2 p.m.
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  Speaker 3: Right here. And his Instagram is at richontech. All right,
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  Speaker 3: back we go.
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  Speaker 2: And as always, Rich, we talk about this virtually every time.
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  Speaker 2: And we can spend every segment of every show talking
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  Speaker 2: about this. And the FBI is warning about another phishing scam.
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  Speaker 3: And what's that about?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this one is something that we've been seeing in
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  Speaker 1: the creator world for a while. And now I guess
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  Speaker 1: it's bubbled up enough where the FBI is warning about it.
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  Speaker 1: And you've heard of phishing scams, right? That's when you
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  Speaker 1: click a link, you hand over information by accident. You
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  Speaker 1: might log into a website. You might put your credit
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  Speaker 1: card number in to update something.
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  Speaker 2: And then you.
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  Speaker 1: Realize like, oh, no, that was not the real website. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this one is called consent phishing. And the specific term
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  Speaker 1: is OAuth. And so what this is, it bumps it
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  Speaker 1: up a notch. So it's actually not asking you for
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  Speaker 1: any additional information. You might get an email from someone saying,
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  Speaker 1: And it might be someone that's trusted. And they're basically
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  Speaker 1: trying to trick you into giving access to one of
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  Speaker 1: your accounts. And how do they do that? Well, by
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  Speaker 1: using a protocol known as OAuth, which basically means you're
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  Speaker 1: not logging in. You're just saying, yes, I give permission
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  Speaker 1: for this person, this entity to access my account. And
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  Speaker 1: you might be saying, well, why would you ever do that? Well,
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  Speaker 1: we do it all the time. When you download an
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  Speaker 1: app and it says, hey, we need access to your calendar.
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  Speaker 1: Can you give us access? Or it says, hey, we
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  Speaker 1: want to organize your emails. Can you give us access
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  Speaker 1: to your Gmail? And you might be laughing, but these
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  Speaker 1: are things that actually people rely on. And so now
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  Speaker 1: they're putting a twist on that. And the twist is
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  Speaker 1: that you are giving them access to your email, your
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  Speaker 1: calendar or your contacts or something that, you know, even
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  Speaker 1: your Facebook page, your Instagram page. And so once they
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  Speaker 1: have that, you may not know the difference. They just
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  Speaker 1: can go in there and check your email, do anything
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  Speaker 1: they want on the back end, and it doesn't look
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  Speaker 1: like an unauthorized login because you actually approved it.
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  Speaker 2: Now, does that include, for example, Waze? I use Waze
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  Speaker 2: a lot as my traffic map, and it will ask me,
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  Speaker 2: can we continue or do you want us to know?
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  Speaker 3: Where you are?
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  Speaker 2: And I generally say yes, but I do it only
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  Speaker 2: for that individual attempt or that individual download.
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  Speaker 3: Is that legit or am I in trouble? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: am I susceptible? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no. I mean, with Waze specifically, it continues to
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  Speaker 1: use your location in the background unless you specifically do
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  Speaker 1: what you said, which is, you know, it's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more work because you have to say every single time, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you can have my location, but it keeps bugging you saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: can we use your location all the time? Can we
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  Speaker 1: use it all the time? Can we use it all
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  Speaker 1: the time? They're doing that because it gives them more
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  Speaker 1: data to use your information all the time. But the
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  Speaker 1: message you're talking about, that kind of acceptance is kind
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  Speaker 1: of one of the examples that I'm mentioning. So they
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  Speaker 1: come in various flavors. Some may say, hey, do you
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  Speaker 1: want to log in with Gmail? Or sorry, Google. Or
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  Speaker 1: do you want to log in with your Facebook account?
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  Speaker 1: Or do you want to log in with your Apple account?
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  Speaker 1: So anytime that you are using one thing for another
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  Speaker 1: or you're presented with some sort of option to log
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  Speaker 1: in with something else, just be very careful because you
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  Speaker 1: could be giving up access to your entire account without
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  Speaker 1: realizing it. especially I've noticed with the Google accounts. When
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  Speaker 1: it asks, hey, do you want to log in with Google?
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  Speaker 1: They will try to get as much of your data
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  Speaker 1: as they can when they do that. And it's gotten
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  Speaker 1: a lot better in recent years, but when this first started,
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  Speaker 1: it was pretty bad. But just always be aware when
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  Speaker 1: you're logging in with something, just make sure that you
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  Speaker 1: know the app, you know what you're doing, and you're
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  Speaker 1: not just blindly going through all of these messages quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, one last one, and that is iPhone users, particularly
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  Speaker 2: younger iPhone users. Is Apple a little bit worried that
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  Speaker 2: a lot of them are going over to Samsung foldables?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. But that doesn't keep Samsung from
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  Speaker 1: coming out with some numbers that say the number of
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  Speaker 1: iPhone users switching to its Galaxy Z Fold and Z
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  Speaker 1: Flip 8 has doubled significantly. compared with last year. Now,
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  Speaker 1: that sounds pretty good. And I think this has been
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  Speaker 1: very promising, like Samsung definitely has a hit on their
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  Speaker 1: hand with their foldable. But I have said, and by
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  Speaker 1: the way, a lot of those switchers are in their teens,
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  Speaker 1: 20s and 30s, which is typically the diehard iPhone group.
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  Speaker 1: But what I've talked about on my radio show, and
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  Speaker 1: in general, is that, look, are there some people that
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  Speaker 1: are still switching from iPhone to Samsung? Sure. But I
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  Speaker 1: think What's really happening is everyone that's seeing Samsung's phone
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  Speaker 1: that's an iPhone person is saying, oh, I can't wait
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  Speaker 1: for Apple to do that, which is just actually building
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  Speaker 1: more of the excitement for what Apple is going to
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  Speaker 1: come out with, which is their foldable phone. So the
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  Speaker 1: good news is it's good for everyone, right? If Samsung
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  Speaker 1: has a popular foldable, that means Apple will. If Apple does,
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  Speaker 1: that means Samsung will. So it kind of brings up everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and one of the other things that I noticed,
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  Speaker 2: there is not a TV show or a movie that
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  Speaker 2: when someone is using a computer, there is not an
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  Speaker 2: Apple logo on the front.
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  Speaker 3: Or if someone is using a phone, it's always an iPhone.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, well, unless it's a bad person. So number one,
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  Speaker 1: spoiler alert, it's gotten a little bit different. But if
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  Speaker 1: you look in most shows, if the person is using
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  Speaker 1: an iPhone, they are not the bad guy. It's usually
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  Speaker 1: they're using an Android. So just watch for that. Number two-
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  Speaker 1: There's a person at Apple here in L.A. that literally
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  Speaker 1: has a warehouse full of Apple products just waiting to
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  Speaker 1: put them placed in TV shows and movies. It's a
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  Speaker 1: huge business. I mean, you know, these companies want them
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  Speaker 1: because it's realistic, but also, you know, it's product placement
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  Speaker 1: for Apple. So they do it a lot, and I
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  Speaker 1: know it's on Apple TV +, but also it's on
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  Speaker 1: every show. I mean, the Apple product placement is just unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, because that's the first thing that comes to mind. Rich,
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  Speaker 2: we'll catch you this Saturday. At 11 o'clock right here
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  Speaker 2: on KFI and on KTLA today, too, as always.
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  Speaker 3: All right. Have a good one. We'll talk again next Wednesday,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll see you this weekend. All right. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Now, as we think about the remembrance of 9-11, one
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  Speaker 2: of the things we talk about is the Internet and radicalism. Now, 9-11—
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  Speaker 2: happened to be with a bunch of Saudis, if you remember,
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  Speaker 2: and they were able to kidnap or they were able
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  Speaker 2: to hijack several airplanes, which we never thought would be
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  Speaker 2: able to happen. They did it with box cutters. Can
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  Speaker 2: you imagine wiping out the World Trade Center with box
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  Speaker 2: cutters because they went into the cabins and in some
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  Speaker 2: cases killed the crew and they had learned how to
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  Speaker 2: fly an airplane into a building, not take off, And
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  Speaker 2: we knew this was happening or we had the information.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, let me go on and find out or
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  Speaker 2: tell you about what's happening on the Internet. We know
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  Speaker 2: now that the Internet is a great avenue for the
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  Speaker 2: radicalization of these terrorists. That's a given how they recruit people.
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  Speaker 2: Foreign terrorists is via the Internet. And we virtually every
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  Speaker 2: single terrorist out there that we can track down that
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  Speaker 2: have committed a terrorist act has been on the Internet.
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  Speaker 3: And some are homegrown.
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  Speaker 2: We have American terrorists that have been radicalized because they
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  Speaker 2: bought into ISIS and what ISIS does and.
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  Speaker 3: Other terrorist groups.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the European Union is particularly concerned because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of it happens in Europe. Most of it happens in Europe.
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  Speaker 2: And they're saying jihadist groups still pose a major threat.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we know that, especially on the Internet. But
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  Speaker 2: there's a new menace that has surfaced, driven mainly by
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  Speaker 2: young people, and the authorities are worried.
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  Speaker 3: And why are they worried? Are these radicalized young men?
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  Speaker 2: No. They're doing it to gain attention. They're doing it
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  Speaker 2: because they want to make an impact. They're doing it
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  Speaker 2: because they generally are, well, all of them are a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of losers who want to feel important. And what
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  Speaker 2: a way to feel important beyond committing a terrorist act
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  Speaker 2: and bringing down the building or calling a group or
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  Speaker 2: putting down a group of people or killing a group
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  Speaker 2: of people. So the European Union Counterterrorism Coordinator, Bakhtian Wetger
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  Speaker 2: is his name, and he was interviewed. Last year, 45
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  Speaker 2: terrorist attacks were reported across the EU countries, 10 of them.
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  Speaker 3: None of them were major.
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  Speaker 2: There were no mass casualty incidents, thank goodness. Half of
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  Speaker 2: them were failed. Six people killed. And you had a
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  Speaker 2: total of 486 people suspected of lynx arrested in 21
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  Speaker 2: member countries. So it's not huge, but it is growing.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the problem. The networks outside of Europe, guided
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  Speaker 2: or inspired, were behind 24 of these attacks.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa.
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  Speaker 3: About one third were.
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  Speaker 2: Aged under 18, mostly boys. Now, are boys radicalized? 16,
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  Speaker 2: 17-year-old boys, do they understand what all this is about?
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  Speaker 3: No. No.
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  Speaker 2: They just want to be known. They want attention being
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  Speaker 2: given to them. In Finland last year, there was a
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  Speaker 2: 16-year-old boy who stabbed three female college students.
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  Speaker 3: And what he did is he went.
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  Speaker 2: On WhatsApp, recorded the attack on Snapshot, asked someone watching
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: it on social media, anybody, Save this and give him
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: the video after he's released from prison.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: That's the problem.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Whitaker said it's very much a fascination with violence as
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: a means of gaining status. And those have been on
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: the rise for the last two or three years. They
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: are not isolated. And these are organized by online networks.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, here's what's crazy. is the folks who also
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: radicalize people.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: That's their main way of getting these young people to
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: commit terrorism in their countries, their own countries. They're also
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: finding people that just want to feel important. They just
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: want to be big guys out there. And you have
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: losers who go on the internet, and that is their
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: connection to the outside world.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: They don't have friends. They're not connected to family.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Somehow, and today, with the information you can get, these
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: groups are clicking onto or finding these guys, or they're
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: just doing it on their own.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: The problem is it's.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Increasing, and we're finding more and more crazy out there.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Europol said criminals are exploiting images and audio. to create,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: edit propaganda, deep fakes, memes, gifs, also used to boost enrollment,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: as well as somehow convincing these kids, these young boys,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: to go ahead.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Be important. This is how you're going to be important.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Make a statement.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: How would you like to go down in history as
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: someone who has really made an impact?
• 19:40
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