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Larry Summers and the Epstein Emails · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I never told you production if I hurt you, and
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  Speaker 1: we are once again so happy to be joined by
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  Speaker 1: the marvelous, the magnificent Bridget Todd. Welcome Bridget.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me back. Always such a pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: It is, it really is. I look forward to talking
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  Speaker 1: to you every time, even though the topics we tackle
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  Speaker 1: famously not so. It's not so easy.
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  Speaker 3: I always say this, I swear I am a happy
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  Speaker 3: person who is drawn to happy things.
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  Speaker 2: Something about let's just cut let's just be real.
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  Speaker 3: It's there's a lot of misery out there, and sometimes
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  Speaker 3: I end up covering it on podcasts, But I am
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  Speaker 3: a happy person who is drawn to happy things.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get insted exactly.
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  Speaker 4: The reality is, as much as like we would love
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  Speaker 4: to be happy, go lucky, all of the things that
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  Speaker 4: are happening we can't ignore. And it just happens that
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  Speaker 4: these things are really gross and sad. And you know,
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  Speaker 4: if I have to be given sad news or really
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  Speaker 4: gross information, having someone as upbeat as you bringing it
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  Speaker 4: to me, Bridget is kind of nice. Because I am
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  Speaker 4: a sad person.
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  Speaker 2: I am drawn to the darkness.
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  Speaker 4: I am a bit gloomy, so having your perspective which
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  Speaker 4: puts it in such a very factual but.
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  Speaker 1: Also like realistic, but like here what.
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  Speaker 4: Could be solutions, Here could be like the good possibilities,
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  Speaker 4: and here are the realities. It's nice to be given
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  Speaker 4: those that kind of news from someone like you. So
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate that you bring this to us.
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  Speaker 2: That makes me so happy to hear.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that really is what I try to do there,
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  Speaker 3: Like there's no need for panic, even though things are
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  Speaker 3: tough and scary, but you still need to know what's
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  Speaker 3: going on. And also I think sometimes the conversations that
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  Speaker 3: are happening these days are so grim that it's tempting
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  Speaker 3: to just sort of check out from them. But we
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  Speaker 3: really do need to understand how these things impact things
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  Speaker 3: like gender and things like identity and who gets to
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  Speaker 3: show up as themselves and who doesn't?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think it's important.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you, yes, well, thank you. You know here's
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  Speaker 1: the million dollar question. How have you been rigid?
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, this is like that broad City. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: how am I?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: Things are good?
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  Speaker 3: I actually just came back from a trip to Spain.
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  Speaker 3: I was there doing a live show for this other podcast.
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  Speaker 3: That I work on called Irl with Mozilla Foundation, which
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  Speaker 3: was awesome. Was my first time in Spain. I went
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  Speaker 3: to Barcelona, which was lovely and wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want to come back. We might.
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  Speaker 3: This was the first time it's ever happened to me.
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  Speaker 3: We were supposed to land in Barcelona. We tried to
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  Speaker 3: land in Barcelona through very atypical lightning storms and it
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  Speaker 3: was one of those situations is where you know, we
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  Speaker 3: everybody on the plane looked out the window and just
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  Speaker 3: saw these big bolts of lightning and we all just
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  Speaker 3: sort of made a quiet peace with our gods. Then
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  Speaker 3: the plane went back up in the air and the
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  Speaker 3: pilot was like, yeah, we can't land in Barcelona, so
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  Speaker 3: we're landing in Madrid. So I got to go to
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  Speaker 3: a bonus, a bonus trip to Madrid. First time I've
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  Speaker 3: ever experienced that a plane landing in a different place
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  Speaker 3: than where you thought it was gonna land.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I think this is the only time that would
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  Speaker 4: be warranted for y'all to clap.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody is sitting next to me burst into tears like
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  Speaker 3: it was like unfair. It really was a moment of
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  Speaker 3: like are we gonna make it right?
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  Speaker 4: Everybody's quiet and eeriness because they're like, oh god, what
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  Speaker 4: do we Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That was That was the creepy part, is that people
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  Speaker 3: were like gasping, and a few people like like shrieked
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  Speaker 3: or screamed.
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  Speaker 2: But at a certain point everybody just got very quiet.
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  Speaker 3: And that's when you know you're like, oh, this we
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  Speaker 3: are in a situation.
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  Speaker 1: Be real.
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  Speaker 2: But it ended up being fine, and I got to
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  Speaker 2: see Madrid for the first time, so I'm all good.
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  Speaker 4: Nice, We love a good twist, a happy ending.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how have you two? Then?
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  Speaker 1: Well, Samtha's apparently you.
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  Speaker 4: Know my answer was not pretty. And for the listeners
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  Speaker 4: who have listened consistently and have just recently heard my
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  Speaker 4: happy hour, which was thirty minutes long of me beaching
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  Speaker 4: and whining about adulthood, I think they know. But you
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  Speaker 4: know what, we are together, so I am doing much
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  Speaker 4: better right now than I'm want twenty minutes ago. I
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  Speaker 4: will say that.
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  Speaker 2: More like an unhappy hour.
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  Speaker 1: It really was.
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  Speaker 4: We named that specific session and wine because we have
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  Speaker 4: some wine and then we and then I say.
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  Speaker 1: Things, Well, there's a power in unloading yourself like that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm okay, yeah, I'm good. I've had a lot of
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  Speaker 1: good times with friends lately, and I appreciate that. That's
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  Speaker 1: a nice I've gotten to see some people I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen it in a while, and it's been nice. I'm pretty tired,
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  Speaker 1: but it's been good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially as we go into the dark months. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we still have the holidays. I feel like after the
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  Speaker 3: holidays is when the real slug begins. But holding onto
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  Speaker 3: those small comforts like getting to see friends, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think that really is very important.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially given some of the news right now
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  Speaker 1: and some of the dark, dark times and dark things
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about in this episode.
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  Speaker 3: That is right, just a content warning up top because
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  Speaker 3: we were talking about convicted sex criminal Jeffrey Epstein, which I.
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  Speaker 2: Feel like it's everywhere in the news.
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  Speaker 3: You really kind of can't avoid the conversation around him.
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  Speaker 3: Today is November twentieth, so by the time you hear this,
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  Speaker 3: there is some chance that things might have changed. But
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  Speaker 3: here is the latest as of today. So yesterday, the
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  Speaker 3: Senate almost unanimously voted to release the Epstein files, with
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  Speaker 3: only one dissenting vote, Republican Representative Klay Higgins of Louisiana.
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  Speaker 3: So curious what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: With him. I know, I looked at it.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, you're just a major trumper, even
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  Speaker 3: for Republicans. See, he seems like a quite extreme fellow.
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  Speaker 3: So I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but it is
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  Speaker 3: well to be like, oh, even among Republicans, just one
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  Speaker 3: dissenting vote.
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  Speaker 2: So that bill then went to Trump's desk.
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  Speaker 3: There were some back and forth of whether Trump was
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  Speaker 3: going to sign it, but he did. So what happens
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  Speaker 3: now is the Department of Justice has thirty days to
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  Speaker 3: release these files.
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying not to be a conspiracist, but I swear
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  Speaker 4: the more I read, especially in this specific topic, the
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  Speaker 4: thirty days seems too long. I know there has to
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  Speaker 4: be some jurisdiction and all of that, but it feels
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  Speaker 4: like there's too much happening, and thirty days is giving
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  Speaker 4: them too much time and including the fight. Are they
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  Speaker 4: actually going to release it? That's my question.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is seems to be the big question. I
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  Speaker 3: should say. I am no attorney so this is somewhat
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  Speaker 3: above my pay grade. But here's a little bit from CNN.
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  Speaker 3: Despite Trump signing the bill, uncertainty remains. Attorney General Pam
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  Speaker 3: Bondi said yesterday that the Department of Justice will quote
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  Speaker 3: follow the law, but some lawmakers and analysts are worried
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  Speaker 3: that the Trump administration may try to hinder the process
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  Speaker 3: by slowing the release or redacting information. So I don't
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  Speaker 3: know above my pay grade, but your worries are grounded.
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  Speaker 3: You're not the only person with that question. That seems
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  Speaker 3: to be the question on everybody's mind. And in any event,
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  Speaker 3: this is still all like a very big reversal of
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  Speaker 3: the time very recently when Trump was calling this entire
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  Speaker 3: thing a Democrat hoax, when Pam Bondy was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: there's not going to be any additional information release.
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  Speaker 2: We looked into it. We don't need to release any
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  Speaker 2: more information.
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  Speaker 3: But then Trump was also recently vowing to investigate any
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  Speaker 3: Democrats accused of breaking the law and the Epstein files,
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  Speaker 3: which like, if the entire thing was just a big
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  Speaker 3: Democratic hope, why would there be Democrats in the files.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not fully as sure that he thought this one through,
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  Speaker 3: but there you have it. And I do think it's
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  Speaker 3: this weird thing where people, in an attempt to downplay
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  Speaker 3: this entire thing, are saying, well, what if this takes
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  Speaker 3: down a prominent Democrat like Bill Clinton, to which I say, great, like,
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  Speaker 3: get him out of here. If Bill Clinton committed a
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  Speaker 3: crime and that is revealed in the Epstein files, take
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  Speaker 3: him to prison, right, Like, I don't think anybody is saying, no,
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  Speaker 3: we need to protect prominent democrats like Bill Clinton from
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  Speaker 3: accountability if they are named as having committed sex crimes
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  Speaker 3: in the Epstein files. And also, do people really think
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  Speaker 3: that most leftists are like clinging to the legacy of
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  Speaker 3: Bill Clinton.
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  Speaker 2: I saw this great post.
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  Speaker 3: That was like, oh no, then I would have to
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  Speaker 3: take down my Bill Clinton yard sign, burn my Bill
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  Speaker 3: Clinton hat and T shirt, take off my Bill Clinton
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  Speaker 3: car wrap, Like what are these people talking about? This
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  Speaker 3: is completely like a fiction.
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  Speaker 4: It really does baffle me, I guess in the sense
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  Speaker 4: of like the people thinking everyone just because they have
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  Speaker 4: idolized a politician into a way of being like this
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  Speaker 4: is God's son literally putting pictures of like this, He's
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  Speaker 4: the new Jesus that we all think of that way
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  Speaker 4: for anyone that we voted for, instead of understanding a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the choices that we make is the less
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  Speaker 4: are evil and hoping that we can negotiate and hold
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  Speaker 4: our people accountable to follow through with the promises they made,
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  Speaker 4: Like it's not like this level of like, these are
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  Speaker 4: people who work for us. These are people who we
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  Speaker 4: are supposed to be able to, like count on to
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  Speaker 4: protect our rights, not people I pray to because I
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  Speaker 4: think you're going to do something to other people that
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  Speaker 4: I don't like or I don't agree with that. That's
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  Speaker 4: the other part to that is like their worship for
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  Speaker 4: him is not because they think he's going to do
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  Speaker 4: something great for them, is that he's going to be
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  Speaker 4: mean to other people for them exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, this is a bit of a non sequitor.
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  Speaker 3: But over the summer, I was at Ocean City, Maryland,
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  Speaker 3: which is just like a kind of a trashy beach
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  Speaker 3: town but I fully love and I go there every summer,
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  Speaker 3: and they have all these boardwalk t shirt shops, and
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  Speaker 3: every one of them has such prominent Trump memorabilia, Trump.
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  Speaker 2: Hats, Trump shirts. It's like Trump Trump Trump, Tump Trump.
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  Speaker 3: And I remember thinking I want to go into one
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  Speaker 3: of these stories and be like, excuse me, where's your
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: Hakeem Jeffrey section, Like there's not You're you're so right
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  Speaker 3: that there's not an analogous thing on the left where
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  Speaker 3: people are buying like, you know, Hakeem Jeffrey's car wraps
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  Speaker 3: and stuff like Ocean City boardwalks are not cluttered with
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  Speaker 3: memorabilia about AOC.
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  Speaker 4: It's just an interesting level. Also, the again with your
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  Speaker 4: non sequit I love that everyone, and I mean everyone
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  Speaker 4: takes advantage of that level of consumerism. Be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we'll buy those key products and sell itate everybody because
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  Speaker 4: they all buy it. I'm gonna make money. You're gonna
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  Speaker 4: be that ridiculous. I'm gonna sell it to you.
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  Speaker 2: Get your money. I'm not even mad at it, to
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  Speaker 2: be honest with you.
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  Speaker 3: So the thing about whether or not prominent people, including
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  Speaker 3: Democrats like Bill Clinton, would be involved in the Epstein
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  Speaker 3: files is that Epstein, this is his total emmo. He
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  Speaker 3: intentionally had deep ties to all kinds of prominent, wealthy,
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  Speaker 3: powerful people on all sides of the aisle. This is
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  Speaker 3: the same thing we saw from other convicted sex criminal
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  Speaker 3: Sean Diddycomb's you know, surround yourself with wealthy, prominent, powerful
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  Speaker 3: people and that both becomes this shield from accountability for
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  Speaker 3: your crimes and then also you can get dirt on
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  Speaker 3: all these other powerful people and sort of have an
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  Speaker 3: extra layer of power and protection. So it is pretty
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  Speaker 3: likely that it's the entirety of who did what is released.
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  Speaker 2: There would be powerful.
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  Speaker 3: People on all sides of the political spectrum and also
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  Speaker 3: just like wealthy, famous non political people because that's how
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  Speaker 3: Epstein rolled. But I want to talk about one prominent
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  Speaker 3: democrat who we know had a connection with Epstein and
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  Speaker 3: what that says about our current tech climate.
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  Speaker 2: And that person is Larry.
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  Speaker 1: Summers, yep who I did not know by name. I
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  Speaker 1: knew of him. I think I just didn't know him,
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  Speaker 1: but now I do, and I'm like, what a way
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  Speaker 1: for people to find out?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yes, this is why we wanted to make this
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  Speaker 3: episode in part, just as an old these names that
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  Speaker 3: come up, you're like, oh, well, if you're under thirty,
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  Speaker 3: you might not know this name, but if you're over thirty,
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  Speaker 3: you might remember a lot about this person just from
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  Speaker 3: being a person who was alive when a lot of
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  Speaker 3: this stuff was going on. So Larry Summers, he might
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  Speaker 3: not be a flashy name that you recognize, but if
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  Speaker 3: you have any cash dollar bills that were minted from
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  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and one, you are
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  Speaker 3: carrying around Larry Summers's signature.
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  Speaker 2: In your wallet because his signature is on the money
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  Speaker 2: that was mented then because he was the US Secretary
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  Speaker 2: of the Treasury from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and one under former President Bill Clinton.
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  Speaker 3: And he was also the Director of the National Economic
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  Speaker 3: Council under former President Barack Obama. Basically that's the fancy
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  Speaker 3: title for the fact that he was the top advisor
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  Speaker 3: on economic matters for the president.
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  Speaker 2: So a pretty big deal.
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  Speaker 3: And Annie, you actually, I think we talked about the
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  Speaker 3: movie The Social Network one time on here and how
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  Speaker 3: much I like it. He is actually a fictionalized version
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  Speaker 3: of himself is portrayed in the movie The Social Network.
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  Speaker 2: He's sort of portrayed.
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  Speaker 3: As like a good guy when the Winklevoss twins set
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  Speaker 3: up a meeting with him to complain that Zuckerberg stole
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  Speaker 3: their idea for Facebook while they were students at Harvard,
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  Speaker 3: of which Larry Summers used to be the president of
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  Speaker 3: which I will come back to. But yeah, so you
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  Speaker 3: might have seen like a fictionalized version of Larry Summers
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  Speaker 3: in that movie.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go back and watch it now.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be strange. Now I know all this other
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  Speaker 1: stuff that has come out. Yes, yes, yes, even about Zuckerberg.
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  Speaker 1: At the time, he was bad, and now I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: oh wild that.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like the Winklevoss Twins are the kind of
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  Speaker 3: the ones that history sort of is like, well there,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not reading about them like in connections with convicted
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  Speaker 3: sex criminals and stuff, or you know, disrupting democracy via
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  Speaker 3: Facebook and meta.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know, maybe they turned out to be
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  Speaker 2: Maybe history.
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  Speaker 3: Will be kinder to the Winklevoss Twins, even though they're
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  Speaker 3: sort of portrayed as the villains in that movie.
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  Speaker 1: I played by.
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  Speaker 4: Who played who played?
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  Speaker 3: How did I just put this Togetherlake?
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  Speaker 2: But that justin Timberlake is Sean Parker, the nabster guy.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to rewatch this and I think I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to have a wild time.
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  Speaker 4: I've never seen it.
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  Speaker 2: I just know such a good movie.
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  Speaker 3: If you ever ever want to do a rewatch, like
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  Speaker 3: we all watch it and like recap it.
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  Speaker 4: With you love to Yes, we might need we might
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  Speaker 4: need to do this.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, my first time.
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  Speaker 3: Take cast some characters and that in that hole, both
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  Speaker 3: in the fictionalized version in the Sorkin film and in
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  Speaker 3: real life just a real a menagerie there. So folks
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  Speaker 3: have probably seen or heard about some of these emails
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  Speaker 3: that were newly released as part of the Epstein files,
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  Speaker 3: because last week the House Oversight Committee released a new
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  Speaker 3: round of twenty thousand documents and emails from Epstein's estate.
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  Speaker 3: And that is how we know that Larry Summers, who
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  Speaker 3: is currently a very big deal professor at Harvard University,
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  Speaker 3: is mentioned as somebody who had a documented, pretty uncool
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  Speaker 3: relationship with convicted pedophile and wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein. And
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  Speaker 3: just in the way of disclosures, before I talk too
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  Speaker 3: much about Harvard University, I should disclose that I am
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  Speaker 3: currently an affiliate of Harvard University's Brooklyn Clin Center.
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  Speaker 2: So I did want to back.
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  Speaker 3: Up and just give a bit of a quick and
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  Speaker 3: dirty rundown of who Epstein is for folks who are
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  Speaker 3: not mired.
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  Speaker 2: And this a guy had been the last couple of months.
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  Speaker 3: So Epstein was a wealthy financier who threw his money
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  Speaker 3: all over the place. He was convicted of sex crimes
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  Speaker 3: against a minor in two thousand and eight and famously
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  Speaker 3: got off on a very lenient sentence for that.
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  Speaker 2: Crime only thirteen months with work release.
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  Speaker 3: Importantly, both before this and notably after this conviction, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of influential people continued to associate with Epstein, who
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  Speaker 3: by then was a convicted sex criminal. Ebstein died in
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  Speaker 3: jail in twenty nineteen while awaiting trial on federal sex
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  Speaker 3: trafficking charges, and the New York City Medical Examiner ruled
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  Speaker 3: his death of suicide, but conspiracy theories claiming that Epstein
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  Speaker 3: didn't kill himself began to spread almost immediately in the aftermath.
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  Speaker 3: The idea here is that Epstein was taken out to
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  Speaker 3: avoid details that might incriminate powerful people that he associated with.
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  Speaker 3: And it's one of those theories that kind of works
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  Speaker 3: regardless of what side of the aisle you're on, because
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  Speaker 3: Epstein had ties with all the political party and as
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  Speaker 3: I said that, ingratiating himself with like wealthy, powerful spaces
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  Speaker 3: and people was just sort of Epstein's m especially in
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: the tech world. He gave donations to a lot of
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: influential tech spaces. We did an episode of my podcast
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: There Are No Girls on the Internet about the contributions
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: he made to MIT's Media Lab and the Kenyan first
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: year MIT grad student who called for Joy Echo ahead
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: of the Media Lab to step down once this was revealed.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: He also had some kind of a relationship with Microsoft
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: co founder Bill Gates. Bill Gates's ex wife, Melinda has
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: given several interviews to the effect that her marriage to
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Bill Gates ended in part because of Bill Gates's relationship
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: with Jeffrey Epstein. She does this interview with Gail King
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: where Gail is like, well, what exactly happened? Like, can
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: you give us more details about what made you want
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: to leave your husband because of Epstein?
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: And she was like, you're gonna have to ask Bill Gates.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: That not me.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: So it's like a very it seems to me she's
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: like continuating something and all I guess I'll just leave
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: it at that. So it's one of those things where
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: you have a lot of powerful, rich and famous people
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: having this connection with Epstein, and that is how he
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: designed it. And so when the House Oversite Committee released
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: these emails and these documents, we got a lot more
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: insight into what that looked like. And I just have
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: to add, as a side note, have you all read
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: any of these emails or exchanges?
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I have not.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: It makes me sad I've seen things being posted, so
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: I know of blips.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, so this is just a side note. I guess
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: the way they.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Are written is working insane.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Like reading these emails that some of the most prominent, wealthy,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: important people in government, tech, and media reading in the
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: way that they emailed each other has absolutely cured me
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: of my anxiety around needing to to word my emails
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: just so. When I'm writing an email, I'm trying to
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: gauge the exact right amount of exclamation marks to use
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: to sound enthusiastic and easy to work with, but not
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: too enthusiastic.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Every email is like, no worries. If not, I'm happy
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: to like I go through.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: So I go through so much second guessing this. Meanwhile,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Jeffery Epstein was just like, Yo, what's up. Want to
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: do some sex crimes later?
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Lol?
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Like every word miss spell, every word mistype, every word misspelled.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Like punctuation absent or completely inexplicable.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's kind of like if a boomer was trying
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: to be cool and they're like lols and like that
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: type of thing no one actually uses, but they think
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: that's what the kids are doing.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Truly, it is like up number four sex crime question
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: mark lol, with small diz punctuated in insane. You say
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: he put a lot of stuff in writing that. I mean,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: I just don't think any of this stuff should have
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: been in writing, And they're so egregiously mistyped that part
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: of me wonders if this was intentional, if they were
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: trying to like evade some sort of something. I have
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: no idea, but I want to make it clear that
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: he wasn't writing these in like nineteen ninety nine or something,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: during a time and we didn't really have a concept
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: of what email was or what did or didn't belong
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: in emails and how to write them. He was writing
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: a lot of these emails in twenty eighteen, right at
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: a time when email was commonplace.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: The whole thing is just very weird to me.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it does get to the like plausible deniability. I
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: would never write it that way. That's not how I
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: speak type of thing.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Or just even because they tried to index. You know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: you can search how many times a name comes up
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: or whatever in these and so if if there's like
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: a misspelling or if there's something that would mess up
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: trying to index something. So I also was kind of like,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: are you trying to get around something I don't know about.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, that was my big and I have no idea,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: but that was my thought because they're so everything is
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: so egregiously misspelled that it almost is like this has
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: to be some rich guy way of not having your
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: crimes getting found out later or something.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Otherwise you just really couldn't be type like that's.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: How do you get those bottom quotation marks. I really
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: have to go out of your way to do that.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying, I mean, we know the actual like
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: intelligence is not as intelligent as we think they are
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: when it comes to white men.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: So hellmo hell I mean they were putting this stuff
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: in writing, and it was like, yeah, don't put your
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: crimes in writing.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: However, I've said this so many times.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: There's nothing when when when it's like, oh, we've released
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: the emails, I'm like, well, I'm gonna read every single one.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I I there's just something about people.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Writing emails that they don't realize they're going to be
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: read later in a deposition or made public in a
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: deposition or something.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I should give a big caveat that.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Just because somebody knew Epstein and associated with him and
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: emailed with him, does not necessarily mean that they did
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: something criminal. When a lot of these people have been asked,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: people are mostly like, oh, I didn't know him like that.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, it is not like what
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: Epstein was doing was a secret. Right in twenty eleven,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: mind you, this is two years after Epstein was convicted
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: of a sex crime against a minor. Bill Gates told
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: The New York Times about Epstein, quote, his lifestyle is
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: very different and kind of intriguing, although it would never
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: work for me. So you're not going to ever convince
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: me that Bill Gates had no idea he was associating
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: with somebody who committed sex crimes against miners. When he
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: was saying, like, you're just not going to be able
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: to convince me that he didn't know what was going on,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: which is what he says now. When Epstein was donating
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: money to the MIT Media Lab, for instance, the staff
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: at MIT had a whole system for flagging Epstein's donations
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: using the code name Voldemort or he who shall not
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: be named, specifically to obscure where that money came from,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: because he had already been convicted of sex crimes. So, yeah,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: these people knew this was not a big secret people
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: now who were like, oh, I had no idea.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: I have a hard time believing some of the people
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: who are going out of their way to say this now.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I also think some of the things we're hearing,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: especially like Megan Kelly being like there's a difference between
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: a five year old and fifteen year old, I feel
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: like that we're also having to confront that older men
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: do this, yeah, and have been doing it forever, and
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: we've kind of societally been like, oh, that's his lifestyle
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: or yeah, that's yeah, that's what he's into. Gross.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like the way Bill Gates is like, oh, his
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: lifestyle is certainly intriguing to me, Homie. Those are sex
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: crimes against kids. It's kind of lifestyle choice. We're not
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: talking about like being vegan. We're talking about a entire
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: network designed to traffic children for sex crime. Like, I
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: think you're exactly right, and I do think we should
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: talk about that because I think when we make Epstein
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: into a solo monster, which she definitely is a monster,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: but it makes it easy to not look at some
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: of the ways these attitudes really do show up all
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: over the place. Right, you don't have to be flying
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: in girls on your private plane nicknamed the Lolita Express,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: to have really messed up attitudes about young girls. I
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: was just reading an article about how a AI company
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: was used to deep fake images of girls to make
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: deep fake nudes, and they had used specifically yearbook pictures,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: and it was like one of the headlines I'd read
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: was something to the effect of women's yearbook pictures used
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: for deep fakes.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I got to thinking, I'm a grown woman.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I have not taken a yearbook photo since I have
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: become an adult, because it is not grown adult women
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: who take yearbook photos.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: It's children because they are in school.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: So why did this headline say that it was women's
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: yearbook photos, as if these.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Women were adults. Anybody who's getting.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: A yearbook photo unless you've got some other situation going on,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: maybe you're a teacher. You're usually a child. You're in school,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: you're in K through twelve education.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Mm hm oh. Yeah, I was looking because I saw
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: that headline too, and some of the advertisements for those sides.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Did you see that it said the AI girls will
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: never say no to Yeah?
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: It was so disturbing that obviously there was so many
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: implications into these things in a like date rape culture,
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: but also coming back to the fact that yes, these
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: girls look like they're in school.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and something about the way that the Megan Kelly thing,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: you know, Meghan Kelly has a daughter who is like
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: fifteen sixteen, And I think especially for a parent or
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: somebody who spends a lot of time around a fifteen
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: sixteen year old to make it sound like because a
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: lot of people will say like, oh, well, she looked
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: older or seemed older. When you're around a fifteen year old,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: you really have a front row seat to the ways
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: in which they are obviously very much kids.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: And I just think it's just it's hard.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: For me to wrap my head around somebody who could
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: be spending time with a fifteen year old and not
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: be like, this is a child. You know, there's there's
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: it's it's I just I really can't. If you spend
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: any time around, if you've got teenagers yourself, you really
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: see the ways every day in which they are just kids.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: And it really is shocking to me that someone who
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: is around a fifteen year old every day, but really
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: anybody would make it seem like somehow because they're not
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: a toddler it's it's different, you know, and I know
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: that there are there are when it comes to like,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: you know, professionals who study this kind of thing, they
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: have different designations. But really, you know, a sex crime
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: against a minor is a sex crime against a minor.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and it just feels like such a if
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: you have to explain that you're already in the something
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: has gone wrong, something has gone wrong.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: If you find yourself saying something like that, something's up,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: like you need to you just to like run it
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: back exactly.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess we should get into Larry Summers quite pathetic,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: quite pathetic emails.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, pathetic is the word for it.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: So in this new drop of emails we get some
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: more insight until the relationship that Larry Summers had with
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein, and it's a weird one. So Summers described
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Epstein as his quote wingman. So from these emails we
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: learn that Larry Summers was really hung up on trying
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: to pursue a romantic relationship with a student that he
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: referred to as his mentee, and he consistently sought advice
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: from Epstein about how to best do this. From November
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: twenty eighteen to July twenty nineteen. Text messages and emails
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: show that Larry Summers consistently asked Epstein for advice about
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: this relationship. Epstein responded eagerly, offering encouragement and tips, even
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: calling himself summers wingman in a message from November twenty eighteen.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Maybe don't get a convicted sex crime against kids. Maybe
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: don't seek this person out for advice on how to
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: get your mentee who is also a student, to have
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: sex with you, especially when you are married, which, by
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: the way, Larry Summers was when all of this.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Was going down.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, and also just a note he was contacting Epstein
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: until he went to jail.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, the guy finds so wild.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: So to make it clear, this contact was happening well
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: after Epstein's initial conviction on sex crimes against kids back
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: in two thousand and eight.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And you are so right, Annie.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: The back and forth exchanges that Larry Summers had with
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein, they only ended the day before Epstein was
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: arrested again on new federal sex trafficking charges. So that
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: means they were like bud bud buds, Like if the
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: back and forth about how to get your mentee to
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: sleep with you only stopped because this man got arrested
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: on federal sex trafficking charges.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Y'all were in deep.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: They were like thickest thieves as far as I'm concerned.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Like because someone was looking at the mail and you
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: would have to do it by hand, like it is insane,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: That is insane.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I do want to get into the meat of some
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: of these messages because I think they're very revealing about
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: what kind of person was actually, you know, at the
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Helm at Harvard. So at one point, Summers told Epstein
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: that he was worried that maybe his Minty didn't want
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: to pursue a romantic or sexual relationship with him, because
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: maybe she just wanted to keep things professional. He said,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: quote think for now, I'm going nowhere with her except economics,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: mentor boring. Summers wrote on November twenty eighteen. I think
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: I'm right now in the seem very warmly in the
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: rear view mirror category. She must be very confused or
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: maybe wants to cut me off, but wants professional connection
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: a lot, so she holds to it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Summers wrote in March twenty.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Nineteen, basically saying that like, oh like, I like her
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: and maybe she likes me, but she just wants to
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: keep me around for professional reasons.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Mind you, this he describe he is her mentor.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: So it's like, oh, she only wants me to like
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: give her economics guidance and education a little lowering.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: So who was this student in question?
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: According to the Harvard Crimson and at least some of
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: its exchanges with Epstein on the relationship, Summers appears to
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: refer to economist ky eu Jin, a tenured professor at
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: the London School of Economics at the time, who is
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: mentioned in a series of late twenty eighteen messages between
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: the two men. So I actually knew who she was
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: before this all came to life, because she's a pretty
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: prominent person. She goes on all the big podcasts like
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: she is a pretty prominent career and is I would say,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: a public figure at this point. So I mentioned this
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: because look how grossly Larry Summers talks about this person
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: who at the time was his mentor. Larry Summers was
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: forwarding academic work that she would send to.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Him to Epstein, so like, here's my paper, and.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Then he's like, I gotta get I gotta get Epstein's
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: eyes on this so some forwarded Epstein an email from
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Gin which she was asking for feedback on a paper
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: that she had written, and then Summers used to Epstein
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: that it was probably appropriate to hold off on responding.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: So he's really doing that thing of like, ooh, like
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: when should I text back?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Like is it like.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Should I give her her paper feedback today? Or does
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: that look too eager? Epstein replied, quote, she's already beginning
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: spelled wrong to sound needy, smiley face emoji nice. Now
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Gin is Chinese, and at one point Summers wrote quote
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: capital you lowercase are better at understanding Chinese women than
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: at probability theory.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Larry wrote to Epstein. They used to also refer to
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: her as this nickname peril, right, So like when I
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: saw this, I was like, like, where did this nickname
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: come from?
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Apparently this nickname might be drawn from the racist quote
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: yellow Peril trope of the late nineteenth and twentieth century,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: which was used to stoke fear that Asian immigrants, especially
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Chinese and Japanese people, were a danger or a threat
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: to westerners. Just real cool and classy conversations to be
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: putting in writing with that convicted sex criminal.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Right, literally during that time is when they also made
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: this fear that all Asian women were prostitutes. So that
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: that was that implication of this level of Asian feticism
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: that began in that propaganda.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and was continued in these messages.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: From twenty eighteen.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like, I just like.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like yeah, yep, yep, yep.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: So Epstein and Larry Summers were also financially entangled, which
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: is an Epstein classic. Summers traveled on Epstein's private plane,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: which was nicknamed the Lolita Express, on at least four occasions,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: including at least three times while Summers was the president
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: of Harvard. Summers also met more than a dozen times
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: with Epstein and solicited donations from him for his wife,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: who was a Harvard English professor, Alisa Knew. The messages
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: released showed that Somers was trying to organize visits to
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Harvard on Epstein's behalf to discuss his wife's poetry work.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: So just really not smart.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: I will say that Harvard did put out a report
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: about their connection to Epstein, and it seems like before
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Epstein was convicted in two thousand and eight, he did
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: donate I think nine million dollars to Harvard, and after
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: he was convicted did visit campus.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Quite a bit.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: So it does seem like the calls were sort of
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: coming from inside the ivy of the university, if you
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. But having the president of Harvard
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: associating with somebody who had already been convicted of sex
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: crimes against miners, it's not a good look, to say
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: the least. It's definitely not good judgment. Now, if only
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: there had been some clue to tip us off that
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: perhaps Larry Summers was a creep who could not be
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: trusted in positions of authority around young women and co eds.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, because that's exactly what we fink got.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Because I mentioned that Larry Summers was formerly the president
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: of Harvard University, not just a professor there, lucky is
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Now why was he forced to resign? You ask the
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: attitudes toward women. Where there is smoke, there is fire,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: My friends, this should not be surprising to anybody. Unfortunately, no,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: And I guess it's like why I wanted to talk
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: about this is like we had a whole converse. It
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: was a national conversation around two thousand and five, two
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: thousand and six about what kind of person Larry Summers was.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: And it's just wild to be like, oh, we're that
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: guy's still in the mix.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: We're still talking about that guy.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Yes, because these people they're never pushed out when like
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: it's clear something is going on. The thing that really
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: sunk Somers's ten year as president of Harvard who remarks
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: that he made in two thousand and five at an
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: economics conference. So Summers was talking about why there are
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: so few women in STEM fields, and he won the
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: reason why there aren't more women in these fields just
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: because women are just naturally and innately stupid and also
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: bad at things. He laid out three kind of potential
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: hypotheses for what's going on. One is that women want
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: more work life balance than men, so they can't succeed
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: in these fields as much as men. He was likeah,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: it's probably not it. Two gender discrimination, which he basically
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I don't think so. And then the
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: one that he really kind of double clicked on was
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: the idea that women are just biologically worse at the
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: traits that one needs to succeed in STEM, which is
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: basically where he landed. He argued that the gender gap
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: in stem must be biological, specifically differences in intrinsic aptitude,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: and that men and women might have different variabilities in
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: certain traits like math or science ability, meaning that more
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: men would just naturally occupy more top positions in those fields.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: He tried to back this up with like behavioral genetics research,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: claiming that some attributes once thought to come from socialization
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: may actually have you know, biological components. I will say
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: he did say when this kind of became a controversy,
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: he was like, oh, I thought this was meant to
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: be kind of an off the record safe space for
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: bad opinions about gender. So like, my bad, I didn't
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: know we were gonna be like telling everybody about what
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: it was being said here.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Oh that's another in the long line. We've been talking
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: a lot lately about and even with you, Bridget we've
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: discussed this before, but about men using those terms like
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: safe space completely incorrectly. And also it's kind of like,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: no wonder women might not want to work with you
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: who has the power because you treat them as a
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: dating opportunity, your chance to have sex. Guess what, they
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: don't want to be involved in that, and you're the
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: one making these decisions.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Exactly that, Like, these things are so clearly linked. The
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: fact that he got up on a stage and said this,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: and the fact that he was creepily pursuing his mentee
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: and sending her fucking like academic papers to a convicted pedophile,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: these things are all linked, right, And I will just
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: say this, He also picked a terrible time to say
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: these things, because he said these things against the backdrop
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: of Harvard facing, according to the Crimson, widespread faculty criticism
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: following reports that women received only four of the thirty
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: two ten year offers from the Faculty of Arts and
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Sciences that year. Right, So, like there was already like
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: a brew haha about women and whether or not they
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: were included and represented at Harvard.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: And he gets this, Jack gets on stage and says
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: these things.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I wish that we could go back to that time
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: and have a different conversation about it, because I think
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: we'd be in a different place. Right now, I will
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: say that Summers apologize and clarify that he does not
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: believe that women are intellectually inferior. What a nice guy,
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: definitely a great president at Harvard. But this was all
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: so like not an isolated thing with him. He used
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: to joke about women's intelligence quite often, apparently, and talked
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: about what he described as excessive penalties for men who
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: hit on women in the workplace. Surprise, surprise, he was
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: actively hitting on his mentee at an academic institution. I
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: was like, are we being too hard on men who
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: just try to hit on women at work?
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: He would think that, he wouldn't me.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: He sounds like the guy who's like, we can't talk
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: to women at all anymore. I can't be like touching
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: them though it's against the rules now, Like.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: What, yes, you behave that way?
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, women these days can't even try to cheat on
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: your wife with them or.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: What good time with them?
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: So I should add that when this was going on,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: a lot of people in the Harvard community did stick
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: up for him, but ultimately Harvard's board voted no confidence.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: This controversy really lingered until eventually Larry Summers resigned from
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: his role as president of Harvard the next year. But
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: don't worry, two years later, President Obama named Somers as
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: the director of the National Economic Council. Because he always
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: lands on his feet, This one.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: The like comeback of white men. It really is like
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: amazing to say, like we talk about how women like
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: the bootstrapping theory, this, this is why that's not a thing,
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Like bootstrap thing is not a thing because we see this,
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: like men who should be taken down always bounce back,
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: like they all because of connections, no matter what happens.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: And like some of the stuff that he was saying
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: to students and around campus, he we know from the
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: release of these emails that he was also saying the
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: same stuff to Epstein, which really isn't surprising.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: He retread that same terrain that he got it.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Years after getting in trouble for this stuff at Harvard,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: he continued to say this kind of stuff to Epstein.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, he wrote this old gem, saying that
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: he had a quote observed that half the IQ in
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: the world was possessed by women, without mentioning that they
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: are more than fifty one percent of the population. Oh good, one,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: it's not even a good joke, Like if you're gonna
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: there are you shouldn't be making jokes with this about women.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: But it's not even like, in my opinion, not even
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: a very good joke.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: No, no, And it's I I mean all of this
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: is disgusting and horrific. But it is, going back twice
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: said earlier, very pathetic that you would have to reach
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: out to a convicted sex predator to get late because
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: he's very like he has one email that says something like,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I just need to get horizontal help. Yeah, yes, what
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: is wrong with you? Bro?
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: You are the president of Harvard to show something like
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: act like it.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: It's something you know, A therapist once told me that
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: men in power their need to have sex with people
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: that they should not be having sex with.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: It makes them so small.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: And it's so true that like, you are the president
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: of HERT and you're putting in an email that you
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: just need to get horizontal. Bro to Jeffrey Epstein about
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: your men tee, that is a problem that is not
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: like I just yeah, And I think it really speaks
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: to the fact that I'm sure I've said this before,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: I don't trust any institution where there are not women
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: all up and through at the tippy tippy top. If
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: it's all men or mostly men left to their own devices,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I don't care if it's an ivy, the university, the military,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: the Catholic priesthood, anything, the NFL. If you don't got
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: women all up and through at the tippy top. I
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: don't trust it. Something's going on. Some shouldn't put in emails.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: That shouldn't be put in emails.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: And why does they sell the emails sound like nineteen ninety
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: five boys? Like it was really like I'm just the
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: wording like the faces I have made throughout this whole episode,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: like it's just discussed and shocked because I'm like, why
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: are you saying? Why are you sounding like my eighteen
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: year old nephew right now? What is wrong with you?
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in the same breath, it'll be like I got
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: to get horizontal bro winki face, and then it'll be like, oh,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: what are your.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Thoughts on Trump? Don't you think he's a buffoon?
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: And it's like, I think that might be the buffoon
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: calling the buffoon a buffoon.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: All one in the saying what is happening?
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: It's bad.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: So the fallout from Larry Summers's relationship with Epstein being
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: made clear, I actually feel like it's been pretty minimal.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Honestly.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Initially, after making that statement, he said that he was
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: going to be stepping back from public roles, but continue
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: was going to be continuing teaching at Harvard, so he's
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: currently like a faculty member at Harvard.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: There was a video. Maybe I'll put the audio in
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: if I can find it.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: There's a video of him starting his class a couple
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: of days ago, basically with an apology to students, being like, oh,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry that I was friends with Epstein.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: With your permission, I'd like to.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Just like Kinchin, you talking about economics and class now. So,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: after he announced that he was going to be not
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: stepping back from teaching, he eventually did reverse course and
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: said that he was going to be stepping back for
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: the moment. He does have ten years, so it's not
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: like he was fired and who knows what will happen,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: you know next, but Ta's are going to finish off
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: the rest of his class with a semester. He also
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: resigned from the board of open Ai, the company that
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: makes chat GPT, and Harvard is launching an investigation into
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: his connections with Epstein, which, yeah, I'll say they should.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Elizabeth Warren, who is a law professor at Harvard, has
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: urged the university to cut ties with him. And I
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: guess the reason that I wanted to talk about this
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: is because.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: You know, when I was doing research.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: One of the big pieces that I read to prepare
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: for this conversation was this piece in The Times about
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: whether or not Summers could mount a comeback since he's
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: bounced back so many times in the past. Now, this
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: piece in the Time published the day that Summers announced
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: that he was going to be temporarily stepping back from
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: his classes, and I just hated that the conversation was
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: being framed just a few hours after he announced he
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: was just stepping down temporarily, as like, well, Kenna's career
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: be saved.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: He's seventy years old.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think that him being relieved from being in
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: a position to be around young, you know, co eds
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: and students and to have this relationship where he is
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: inherently of an authority figure to people like that.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's like ruining his life, you know
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Like the fact that it was even phrased that way
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: really bothered me. And Alejandro Carbalo, who is a clinical
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: instructor at Harvard Law Cyberclinic, commented online quote, it is
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: not normal for a professor to start a class discussing
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: how they regret being best buddies with a child sex trafficker,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: and honestly I have to agree, right, we cannot. This
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: is not an apologize and move on and continue with
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: the economics lesson kind of thing. This is a pretty
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: big deal that when we should be treating it like
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: it's a pretty big deal.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: And I think especially.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Someone like Larry Summers, who at the very least has
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: over and over again proven himself to have pretty bad
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: judgment when it comes to women.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Having this person have.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Roles where he is so involved in hands on about
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: shaping what the future of technology looks like through things
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: like a board position at Open AI. I just think
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: that we really have to think about what that means
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: and whether or not men like this are who we
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: want shaping the future of how technology shows up in
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: all of our lives, right, Like, I certainly do not
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: trust somebody like Larry Summers to be making decisions about
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: what our shared future is going to look like.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: I'm honestly so disturbed by the mere fact that people
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: are ignoring the fact that heat for once, Like, I'm
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: sure there's so many other instances of like sexual harassment,
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Like she actually said, I don't want to do this.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Can we keep this professional and her life is probably
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: being up ended, Like I cannot imagine what she like
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: the trauma and the shock she's going through seeing these
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: emails of not only that, having the name of Epstein,
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: like if she didn't know him, she hadn't met him,
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: and knowing all the things about him, and she was like, oh,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: I literally was being trafficked, like groom trafficked and kind
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: of in a way with this dude who traffics and
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: grooms women and like as his profession, Like that's what
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: he was doing. And this man who I trusted, was
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: getting like territorial slash predatorial advice for me when all
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to do is survive and get an education
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: and move on in this life. Like there's so much
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: to this.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not like she asked to be involved
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: in this, And I should say, and in case it's
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: not clear, we don't even know that she had any
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: concept of the that this was going on, that her
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: mentor at Harvard was forwarding her perfectly reasonable emails and
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: papers and work to Jeffrey Epstein. It is it just
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: is really we should be treating it as a shocking
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: and unacceptable thing because it is. And I guess where
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: I land is that we really cannot keep acting shocked
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: when powerful institutions protect powerful men who have these like
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: long and well documented histories of bad judgment, sexist thinking,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: and frankly ethically grotesque associations. Right, It's not like Summer's
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: just had one bad quote. He had an entire legacy
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: of things like minimizing discrimination, joking about women in the workplace,
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: letting Epstein fund his wife's projects, and treating young women
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: like his mentee like a conquest that he could gain
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: theory his way into getting horizontal with and then describing
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: it in the crudest ways impossible. Right, Like and Harvard,
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: the US government, tech companies, the media all kept continuing
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: to give him power. The New York Times writing an
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: article the day that it becomes clear that he's going
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: to step back temporarily teaching, asking about the state of
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: his career and whether or not he can come back
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: and bounce it back from this is exactly what I mean.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's like one of the memes that I've
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: seen going around is like something that finally brings all
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: men of any religion, of any together, is that they
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: will use young girls this way. And one of the
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: things that really frustrates me about this conversation is that, like,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: even going back to the Bill Clinton thing, who do
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: we immediately are like, we got to protect Bill Clinton.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Who are we like, oh, we got to protect Larry Summers. No,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: we're not talking about the people who were hurt by this.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: You just want to know that this guy's career is
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: safe and he's fine, He's doing fine.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: He is seventy years old. I don't want to sound ageist.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: I just feel like at seventy years old, if you're
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: this kind of person, maybe we don't need you. Like
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: what I'm you know, I'm saying like maybe you living
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: a private life with your wife, who now knows all
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: about the emails you were sending about your mentee. Maybe
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: that is fine. Maybe we don't want you to talk
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: about that. Like it's the biggest tragedy that somebody like
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Larry Summers doesn't get to have this role of authority
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: and this role of influential.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Power both over you know, Carbarde.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Students, but also over all of us, right, because if
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: you're sitting on the board at open AI, you do
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: have some power over us. You have you you're making
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: decisions and you're you're putting out technology.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: That is going to go on to shape all of
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: our lives.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: And I completely agree with you, Annie, I just really
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: it bothers me that when the conversation is framed about
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: what's going to happen to poor Larry Summers, He's gonna
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: be fine.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: He's gonna be completely fine.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: Literally the system was built for him, like for him
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: to be fine. The fact that he can really be like,
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: ah my bad, bro, we cool like that literally was
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: a apology, like yeah, not even like conversation about the
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: fact that, yes, he was using his authority and power
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: to go after women that he's like this is this
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: is definitely normal for me as a professor and president
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: of a school to try to be like intimidate women
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: into sleeping with me. And then you know, there are
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: so many other things, but like the fact that he
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: can come back and be like, ah my bad. But
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: you know we're moving on, right, let me talk about economics,
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: and that seems like okay, that sounds about right. This
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: is nothing to that doesn't affect you as a person,
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: so it's fine as a teacher.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: And so when these rules, when people decide that because
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: they are powerful or influential, these rules don't apply to them.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: I think it's really a problem when you get to say, oh,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: well I did this, but I to just go on
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: and continue my lesson for today. No, you don't write.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: And I think that they're saying that for a long time,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: the rules did not apply to powerful people. And the
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: question is whether or not we want to live in
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: a world where that is the case, right? Do we
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: want to live in a world where someone like this
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: gets to do things like this and just go on
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: to finish their economics lesson for the day?
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I say no?
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: And so I think as we watch what comes out
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: of this Department of Justice release with the Epstein files,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: I hope we can like resist this idea of using
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: it to talk about like whether or not someone's career
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: is going to be impacted or all of that. I
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: think truly this will likely touch every corner of power, academia, politics, entertainment, tech, finance,
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: and we should be talking about accountability, right, We should
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: be talking about like centering the people who were harmed,
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: regardless of the resumes and power and influence of the
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: people who were doing the harming. I think that is
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: the bare minimum and ultimately I don't think the people
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: shaping the future should be taking advice from a convicted
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: child sex predator on how to pursue women at their age.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I think that is a whole, totally reasonable standard to set.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: And I will die on this hill.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't care if it makes me
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: sound like an instrumist. I will die on the pill.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Oh. I mean, I think a lot of pod bros
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Are going to be mad at you about that.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Come at me bros, them and their Pizzagate And now
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: they're like, this is no information though I know it's because.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: If you if you go back and look at like
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: QAnon and Pizzagate, it's like you have emails that Hillary
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Clinton wrote to Podesta that are like, oh, should we
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: get some pizza later? And people are like, but if
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: you replaced pizza with children, think about it then. And
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: then you have Epstein putting like up for sex crimes
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: later and it's like, well.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no, no, we don't know.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: What that means. That means that's out a context.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, So if the Department of Justice releases these files,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: I'm sure we're going to have a lot more to
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: just but that's where we're at for right now.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: Who Yeah, Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are on that list.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah they should also be locked up.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Let's go ahead.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: But yeah, if anybody who is shown to have committed
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: a crime should be locked up. That's the thing is, like,
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: I don't want abusers on my team, and I don't
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: think that I think that we're being sold this idea
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: of tribalism of like, oh, are you going to care
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: if it's your favorite entertainer or your favorite you know,
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: celebrity who gets taken down?
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: No, because I don't want that.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: I don't want a person who is a criminal walking free,
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: even if it's somebody who I happen to.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Be politically aligned with or like enjoy their work.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: I mean, I haven't stopped watching many of shows because
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: many of the celebrities have disappointed me and have shown
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: their true color. So putting on my bane list, let's go.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, well we shall see, we shall see what happens,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure we will come back discuss this more.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: And yeah, thank you so much, Bridget for breaking down
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: such an intense topic for us.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, you all, even though it's horrifying, you all
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: made it.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: A little less so yes, and now we might watch
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: the Social Network together and be kind of horrified about
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: some realities.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: But I'm excited they're making a sequel.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: They're making a sequel.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Jeremy Strong is gonna play Zuckerberg like a later version
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: of Zuckerberg in the sequel.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: I know this sounds look it up. I read it.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: I read it in Deadline. Look it up.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: Are they gonna have the moments where he and Elon
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: Musk might fight?
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: I was just talking about that on a podcast. I mean,
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: say what you will about Mark Zuckerberg. Zuckerberg would drop
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Elon Musk like a sack of potato.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Say what you will. You know I hate Zuckerberg.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: I hate them both, absolutely going Zuckerberg on this one.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I hope they have the scene and when he's on
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: the wakeboard and he's just tale translation, Yeah, I really
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: want that to be in the movie and like sad,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: like adult midlife crisis music playing. Yeah, that's what I want.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: My partner's mom when we showed her that picture, she
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: just said, what a dweeb. And I'll never forget it
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: because I don't think I've ever heard somebody call someone
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: else Adweb.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like yes, deweb, but you are correct. You
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: are correct? Yeah, yeah, flor Well something to look forward to.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Question in the meantime, Bridget where can the good listeners
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: find you?
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: You can listen to my podcast there are No Girls
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: on the Internet. You can follow me on Instagram at
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: bridget Ryan DC, on TikTok at bridget Ryan DC, and
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: on YouTube at there are No Girls on the Internet.
• 56:51
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