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The 15 Craziest Conspiracies of the Last Five Years · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Wait, chance, get true, I'm a check out both get
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  Speaker 1: I Your fans, wait, the adults.
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  Speaker 2: Your Hey, everybody, Welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm your host.
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  Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown joined me as co host as always
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  Speaker 2: Olivia Hidar.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Hello, I'm the co host this time.
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  Speaker 2: Olivia. How's it going.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing well. Can't complain. I was bitching about it
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  Speaker 3: being rainy earlier, but it's actually I like I like
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  Speaker 3: having a little ring, especially after living in California for
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  Speaker 3: so long.
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  Speaker 2: Hard to agree. I still hate the rain. Hey. Also,
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  Speaker 2: it's a special occasion today our two hundredth episode. Helly
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  Speaker 2: so joining us as guest co host. Connor mcspaden is back.
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  Speaker 1: What's up? Yeah? This is like the only version I
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  Speaker 1: could do of like when Letterman would go on Conan
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  Speaker 1: when he started hosting the show and just a huge
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  Speaker 1: dick to him the whole time and very disrespectful. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this was I'll be able to kind of get my
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  Speaker 1: rocks off in that capacity. I think it should be good.
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  Speaker 2: Connor, just go ahead, what were you gonna say?
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  Speaker 1: Nothing? That funny. I wasn't really thrilled with the opening
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  Speaker 1: riff I chose in the first place, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to get the ball rolling here eventually. Yeah, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure you don't get. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: a nice intro. I like, hey, this fucking asshole is
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  Speaker 3: I think I think it worked really well in the flow,
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  Speaker 3: and I think I think it's all going great so far.
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  Speaker 1: Suck up already, would you?
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  Speaker 3: Wow? Wow? Okay, Okay, I mean just for it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this.
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  Speaker 3: Is the vibe. Okay, No, it's fine. I get that
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  Speaker 3: a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Connor really is back.
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  Speaker 1: You can get guess what you're Randall Mader Now great.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if Olivia knows that lore vaguely.
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  Speaker 1: I hope she doesn't. I hope. I hope the new
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  Speaker 1: generation of un pop's listeners is past that terrible, terrible incident.
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  Speaker 2: It was a dark day, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: This is a dark, dark day that secured a podcast
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  Speaker 1: following large enough for me to live in a crackhouse
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  Speaker 1: in Echo Park for several years, So there you go.
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  Speaker 1: It was, weirdly the one of the biggest moments of
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  Speaker 1: my entire career.
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  Speaker 2: Argue with the results. So I think I already said
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  Speaker 2: this is the two hundredth episode where if I didn't
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  Speaker 2: say it this is the two hundredth episode, the one
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  Speaker 2: hundredth episode. We didn't realize it happened until after we
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  Speaker 2: had recorded the one hundredth episode. And granted, I could
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  Speaker 2: have done it like the Beatles and Abbey Road and
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  Speaker 2: just gone and recorded something else and been like, no,
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  Speaker 2: this is one hundredth episode and then put out it.
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  Speaker 1: But no, who's got a red content?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I still get a lot of like long haul
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  Speaker 1: Truckers conspiracy the show fans like, hey, man, just really
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  Speaker 1: miss hearing your thoughts on pizzagate. Uh what it would
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  Speaker 1: be nice if someone that sounded like Alex Jones could
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  Speaker 1: talk about all this in the news. Okay, Well, I
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  Speaker 1: hope you're all right, man. Just stay away from the
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  Speaker 1: tap water, you know, the drill.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, of course they always find.
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  Speaker 1: A way to work there, like pet thing into it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good news for those people. There is going to
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  Speaker 2: be a chance to talk about Pizzagate today, because not
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  Speaker 2: only is this the two hundredth episode, but I looked
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  Speaker 2: it up. I did, I did my own research, and
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  Speaker 2: it turns out May of twenty twenty two is also
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  Speaker 2: the five year anniversary of this show.
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  Speaker 3: Damn.
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  Speaker 2: Then going along, goddamn time.
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  Speaker 3: Guess that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of the longest relationships of my life.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, we started in twenty seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the first episode came out on May tenth, twenty seventeen,
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  Speaker 2: so we are just past the five year insary.
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  Speaker 1: I think we'll be able to see a little bit
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  Speaker 1: with this list you've got here, because this is not
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  Speaker 1: like a BuzzFeed what's going to get the most clicks list.
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  Speaker 1: This is a curated, a true connoisseurs top fifteen. I
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  Speaker 1: think we'll see just how the Overton window of conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: has shifted in only that five year time period.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, no, just that's what's so crazy is
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  Speaker 2: that we're able to do an episode like this at
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  Speaker 2: all because the I mean, I'm sure people listening have
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  Speaker 2: seen the title by now, but we're talking about the
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  Speaker 2: fifteen craziest conspiracy theories of the last five years, and
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  Speaker 2: Connor and Olivia can both attest if it comes up
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  Speaker 2: in court someday. This was initially twenty items and I
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  Speaker 2: had to cut it short because that would have taken forever.
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  Speaker 2: And even then, before I sent it to them, it
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  Speaker 2: was going to be twenty five Jesus and I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, this could be a like an ongoing series
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  Speaker 3: almost of I mean the.
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  Speaker 1: Best that list was packed tighter than a Wayfair wrestler
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  Speaker 1: full of twelve year old I mean, oh.
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  Speaker 2: Why isn't that on the list?
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  Speaker 1: Holy shit, I thought for sure that was when you
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  Speaker 1: cut Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's number twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: The Wayfair one only lived for a day or so.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The best stuff coming out lately has been alien related.
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  Speaker 1: I take it mostly as pure entertainment, but it is
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  Speaker 1: pretty compelling. I don't know if you've done any of
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  Speaker 1: the Stephen Greer documentaries on the air, but I think
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  Speaker 1: those are pretty fucking interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I know we've talked about Stephen Greer.
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  Speaker 1: Why he's got like a new age angle on the
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  Speaker 1: whole alien thing that I think is pretty compelling, or
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  Speaker 1: at least it's the kind of stuff you It feels
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  Speaker 1: more George Nori than like I'm trying to Kyle Rittenhouse,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just one of these political things.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like exhausting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can say, I like, I don't know that
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  Speaker 3: we've covered it, but I can say that at least
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  Speaker 3: two of his films constantly show up on my recommended
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  Speaker 3: in Amazon just because we've other things that we've.
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  Speaker 2: We covered one of them, but I don't remember who
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  Speaker 2: the co host was. I think it might have been
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  Speaker 2: Laura Crawford. But okay, yeah, I know we covered one
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  Speaker 2: of his documentaries.
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  Speaker 1: I have to come back for a career super show
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  Speaker 1: because I'd be interested to hear your take on it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we could do that. I'd be all for it. Sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've only seen these things where you essentially go
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  Speaker 1: meditating for aliens. He gets like a group out in
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  Speaker 1: the desert, they send the circle. They do this like
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  Speaker 1: cosmic contact thing. And here's the fucking the weirdest part.
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  Speaker 1: Now that sounds like, you know what, that's annoying. However,
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  Speaker 1: you know you're.
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  Speaker 2: Want to do it.
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  Speaker 1: But he's got a hundred fucking videos of weird goddamn
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  Speaker 1: lights in the sky at these events like all over
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  Speaker 1: the world, and then it seems like less like a coincidence.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like one of these things where like there's
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  Speaker 1: people that go First of all, I want to see
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  Speaker 1: the bumper stickers on those Volkswagon golf. I want to
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  Speaker 1: see that crowd. I want to meet these people. But
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  Speaker 1: also I'm like, I want to go try it. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was very very interesting.
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  Speaker 3: You've actually he kind of uncovered a memory that I
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  Speaker 3: hadn't really thought about in a while because I worked
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  Speaker 3: at a movie theater in southern Indiana. This was two
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  Speaker 3: thousand and seven or whatever, and one night an old
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  Speaker 3: guy came in, like while we were closing. This is
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  Speaker 3: like eleven o'clock at night. Old guy comes in, won't
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  Speaker 3: stop talking to me about Stephen Greer. I like it
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  Speaker 3: just as clicked with me that he was thought that
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  Speaker 3: he talked about Stephen Greer and how he had went
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  Speaker 3: and like spend a bunch of time with his like
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  Speaker 3: commune group or whatever. And he told me this whole
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  Speaker 3: complex story about how they all went up to the
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  Speaker 3: top of Mount Shasta Ye which is in I think
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  Speaker 3: it's in California, and they meditated and like he was
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  Speaker 3: very insistent that they summoned an alien like to this
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  Speaker 3: place and the like the alien life blessed them.
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  Speaker 1: They've got pictures of weird apparitions and shit, I mean
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  Speaker 1: they have like a lot of evidence. I mean how
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  Speaker 1: real it is, I couldn't tell you, but yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They'll DM's really real.
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  Speaker 1: He fuld like, here's another one, like four or five people,
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  Speaker 1: a few people and his crew that were involved in
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  Speaker 1: like this disclosure project they were doing all at the
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  Speaker 1: same time randomly got like heart disease or cancer, like
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  Speaker 1: the same kind of cancer. Yeah, this guy is very
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  Speaker 1: high on my list of people that I want to
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  Speaker 1: meet before the CIA murders them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I'm always down to do an
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  Speaker 3: alien's episode. It's I always prefer it as a nice
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  Speaker 3: break from the ones that all just kind of boil
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  Speaker 3: down to the Jews.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, there's some alien conspiracies, but there's.
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  Speaker 3: Also some alien conspiracies.
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  Speaker 4: Unfortunately, yet's not take that from the alien I know,
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  Speaker 4: I know there's a supposed quote from like a Rothschild
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  Speaker 4: if we're gonna if we're gonna talk about aliens and
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  Speaker 4: rich Jews from in the Stephen Grad documentary, where the
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  Speaker 4: supposed quote from this powerful like super billion there is
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  Speaker 4: that the world must know what it means in blood,
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  Speaker 4: in treasure to fight a war.
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  Speaker 1: On another planet. And you know what, every time I
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  Speaker 1: think the military industrial complex can't think bigger, I hear
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  Speaker 1: something like that and I go, God, damn, it's so stupid.
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  Speaker 1: I bet by the time I'm eighty my kid'll be
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  Speaker 1: dying in it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Look, that's a dystopia I'm cool with. Like it's better
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  Speaker 3: than the one.
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  Speaker 1: Where head Starship Troopers dystopia.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: At least you could pick up a laser gun and
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  Speaker 1: you know, dying for something exactly I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Because it's eaten by aliens instead of die slowly of starvation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Shoot, some bugs and alpha centauri iraq.
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  Speaker 2: Yea space Nazis are preferable to ground Nazis. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want ocean Nazis.
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  Speaker 1: That would be wet Nazis. Is that it's like, not
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  Speaker 1: like a burrito. It's not better what.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean you know that we could also then
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  Speaker 3: get sequest DSV out of that deal, which would be.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of we already have sequest DSV. We do I
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  Speaker 2: mean the show.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, of course the show. We could have
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  Speaker 3: the reality.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen some dsls on the rule threety four board
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  Speaker 1: on four Chan, but you know that was back in
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  Speaker 1: the twenty tens, when that show is still syndicated.
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  Speaker 2: All right, should we get to the list.
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  Speaker 1: It's not enough, not enough pattern in the beginning at them,
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  Speaker 1: we gotta do it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we got more.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, let's go. Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Adam number fifteen. Seth Rich. This is this was our
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  Speaker 2: first episode was about Yeah, the seth Rich conspiracy. And
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  Speaker 2: it was a bad choice there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we get it totally wrong. It's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these. I don't really remember where we landed
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  Speaker 1: on them.
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  Speaker 2: No, we didn't get it wrong. It's just that there
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  Speaker 2: was never much to it. Seth It sound like.
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  Speaker 1: A good story, so it became a story like it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was a cool like novel at the airport, but
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  Speaker 1: not really real kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, because the episode it had ended up being
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  Speaker 2: about thirty five minutes long. Because the crux of this
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy is seth Rich worked for the DNC and at
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  Speaker 2: one point he was killed in what police called a
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  Speaker 2: botched robbery, and because that happened, right wing activist types,
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  Speaker 2: if that's the word for it, jumped on this story
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  Speaker 2: and decided that seth Rich was actually murdered by the
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  Speaker 2: DNC in retaliation for him having leaked a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: DNC emails to wiki leaks, which there was never any
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  Speaker 2: proof of that. The police claimed to have proof of
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  Speaker 2: it being a botched robbery.
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  Speaker 1: I do it's weird that they lionized the guy from
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  Speaker 1: the opposite side just because he was like dead and
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  Speaker 1: you can kind of put words or actions in their
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  Speaker 1: mouths like most posthumously, like.
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  Speaker 3: That's why they did it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for them to be like this hero,
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  Speaker 1: this is like the right whole time.
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  Speaker 2: I did read a thing that said this was discredited
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  Speaker 2: in the Muller report because Russian intelligence was in contact
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  Speaker 2: with wiki leaks before and after seth Rich's death, And
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  Speaker 2: I don't quite understand how that debunks the idea that
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  Speaker 2: seth Rich would have been the one to leak these emails.
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  Speaker 1: But the idea that they just got it from wiki
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  Speaker 1: leaks directly and not this guy was not an intermediary.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the theory is that he uploaded them to
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  Speaker 2: wiki leaks and then WikiLeaks then passed them on to Russia.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, gotcha, gotcha? Sorry, because I guess someone has
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  Speaker 1: to give it to wiki leaks in the first place,
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  Speaker 1: and it was.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the idea is that, like Russia was talking to
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  Speaker 3: wiki leaks about it before even Rich would have been
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  Speaker 3: able to. I don't know, I don't know. It does
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  Speaker 3: seem like this is just one of those classic well
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  Speaker 3: we would like for this to be true because it
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  Speaker 3: would help.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there have been some developments since we recorded
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  Speaker 2: the episode about this, mostly that all of the people
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  Speaker 2: who pushed this theory have since been successfully sued and
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  Speaker 2: have had to publicly apologize and retract their statements. So
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  Speaker 2: seems like Seth Rich is innocent. Yeah, I think so,
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  Speaker 2: and probably still alive somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: I think he was innocent to begin fifth. Yeah, now
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  Speaker 3: it's he's still alive.
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  Speaker 1: I think he was guilty of working for the DNC.
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  Speaker 1: I mean sounds like, yeah, cop is still a cop.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Unfortunately, I mean, you shouldn't have died whatever.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean, no one should be killed in the
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  Speaker 1: street outside their house. But no, Hey, this didn't happen
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  Speaker 1: to someone you'd respect, like a sex worker or a
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  Speaker 1: coming right, I mean, yeah, drug dealer or somebody somebody
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  Speaker 1: that adds some contributes to the community.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, speaking of cops number fourteen, this is one. We
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  Speaker 2: did an episode about it because we got our finger
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  Speaker 2: on the pulse. But this didn't really make its way
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  Speaker 2: into all of the discussion about Brionna Taylor as much
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  Speaker 2: as I would have expected it to.
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  Speaker 1: Embarrassed to say, I never heard this since I just
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  Speaker 1: read it right now. Pretty crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I had not heard about it until a listener tweeted
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  Speaker 2: it at US. Yeah, I had no idea before that.
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  Speaker 3: But the remember the episode.
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  Speaker 1: Very dystopian selective reporting. I don't even know what you
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  Speaker 1: would call a the moral infraction like this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the you know, not including this piece of evidence and
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  Speaker 1: then just using essentially two thirds of it which could
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  Speaker 1: constitute proof, and then ignoring the part, which would you know,
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  Speaker 1: dismantle the validity of the first two thirds.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a story We'll link to basically a
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  Speaker 2: local Louisville outlet that reported on it. But in the
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  Speaker 2: court documents that Brionna Taylor's family's lawyers filed with the court, they,
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  Speaker 2: I guess imply, or their claim in their court documents,
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  Speaker 2: is that the warrant that was being executed when Brianna
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  Speaker 2: Taylor was murdered was obtained not in the name of
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  Speaker 2: fighting illegal drugs, which was the claim, but actually because
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  Speaker 2: someone was holding up a gentrification project or a redevelopment
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  Speaker 2: project now called Vision Russell, which refers to the neighborhood
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  Speaker 2: where it was happening. The claim is JaMarcus Glover, who
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  Speaker 2: is an ex of Brionna Taylor, who she still had
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  Speaker 2: just like a passive relationship with they were still friends.
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  Speaker 2: Investigators claimed they had seen him leaving her house with
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  Speaker 2: a USPS package and then going directly to a known
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  Speaker 2: drug house, and they included that in their request for
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  Speaker 2: the warrant. They also included that they checked with the
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  Speaker 2: US Postal Service and that they confirmed that he had
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  Speaker 2: been receiving packages at her house, so with that they
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  Speaker 2: approved the warrant. What they left off of the warrant
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  Speaker 2: is that the same agency that confirmed that she was
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  Speaker 2: receiving packages for JaMarcus Glover basically inspected the packages and
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  Speaker 2: confirmed that it was nothing suspicious. Like, think about it.
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  Speaker 2: He's running a house in a neighborhood that's being targeted
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  Speaker 2: for gentrification, right, He probably, like she was in an
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  Speaker 2: apartment building. He probably didn't want his Amazon packages being
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  Speaker 2: left on the porch. Yeah, and just had them delivered
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  Speaker 2: to a friend's house nearby. And by leaving that off
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  Speaker 2: the warrant, that's what got the warrant approved. If they
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  Speaker 2: had included that part where someone was like, yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: we searched him and it's.
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  Speaker 1: Fine, and it was a package that was like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: unmarked from you know, like Ohio, and it was just
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  Speaker 1: some kind of weird sketching wrapped in take. But it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: hello fresh, this is like a this is a Ander
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  Speaker 1: and chicken salad like you fuck yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It was a completely legitimate thing. But he was one
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  Speaker 2: of the last holdouts in this vision Russell redevelopment plan.
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  Speaker 2: He rented a house there and wasn't moving and they
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  Speaker 2: wanted to tear that house down.
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  Speaker 1: So they had to go rouse to them. I don't
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  Speaker 1: this is like no different, Like there's an episode of
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  Speaker 1: Sopranos where they do this. You've flipped some shitty, you know,
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  Speaker 1: run down houses on hud but they're full of crackheads
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  Speaker 1: or they've got to go scare them out. They say,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: instead of sending a you know, gang of local kids
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: with guns, you send the fucking authorized legal gang the police.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: That's that's what happens when it's gentrification and you know,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: you're trying to protect the vested interests. This kind of,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: unfortunately reveals a slight flaw, which is the format of
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: the of the episode today, which is unfortunately that then
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: kind of lumps this very plausible and not that outlandish
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: theory about a real tragedy that happened in with Seth
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Rich and Hunter Biden's laptop of the bunch of other
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: ships well.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Gate and Frazzle Drip, and yeah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Not that it's I think an awful thing to happen.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: It's just you know, kind of an unfortunate.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the unfortunate thing is the state think
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: that people on the left put on the word conspiracy,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: as if conspiracies don't happen every single day at every
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: single level of life.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, it's not the words in the punch bowl.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: You know, it's too easy to make like crazy claims
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: and get a shitload of views and disillusioned clicks. You know,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: like the barrier to entry to be like a popular conspiracy.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like you can kind of just like
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Burger king it. There's a template, you.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Know, absolutely, yeahh But I also don't know we're doing that.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I don't understand how the left became the side that
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: makes questioning the government crazy. Like, yeah, I don't. I
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: will never understand that. Like even under Trump, all you
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: had to do was say, oh, that's a conspiracy theory,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: and people on the left would be like well Trump
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: said this, and you gotta believe the government.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: No, I don't mean a broad scale like you know,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: talking about the large Like I get it, because this
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: is the conspiracy theory landscape right now, and especially the
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: political landscape. They are all the people on the right
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: that is the focus, you know, these conspiracies, like that
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: is the that is a major position on Like the
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: GOP platform is catering to people who traffic in these
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: things and so like. Not that I agree, but I
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: understand why some like people on the left, especially more
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: centrist people, would instinctually kick back against something that's being
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: lumped in and associated so heavily with this one side.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's unfortunate because it brushes legitimate conspiracies totally
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: under the rug.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Speaking of conspiracies that may or may not be legitimate.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Number thirteen, Yeah, fireworks in the black.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: I remember this.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: This one like only really makes sense if you lived
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: in one of these places, because it was just so
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: goddamn weird, Like, what was there a fucking seventy percent
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: sale on M eighty's that nobody told me about. I
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: would have been the first to know, like I said,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: so goddamn loud. For three months.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Did it happen where all of us were living it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I was in the South Bay, like I was still
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: LA County, but like Waste.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I was on the complete other side of LA And yeah,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: same thing.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah I was. I was hearing it seemed like they
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: were coming from the mountains, but it was probably south
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: central Los Angeles obviously.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I was in Indianapolis. I didn't hear any fireworks. They
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: were brot desks.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: But yeah they were.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: It was you go straight to guns. You skipped the
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: whole You don't need it to look novel or fun. Yeah,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: it was a.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Constant thing for a few nights there at least, or
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: maybe even a week or more, like, especially in LA
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Like it was just all the time. And the theory
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: that only really circulated by way of a Facebook post,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: but a pretty well argued Facebook post. It was a
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: guy who lived in the community, who had lived in
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the community for a long time. He didn't seem like
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: a crazy person will find it and link to it.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's linked to in this Atlantic article also.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: But the theory was that the police were either setting
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: the fireworks off themselves or dropping fireworks off for local
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: kids to set off because they wanted to make these
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Black Lives Matter protests seem like a nuisance.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Two people, similar to the protests where you'd walk past
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: a big a palette of bricks just like loose, like.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Right right, yeah, I mean there was a ton of
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I was in the middle of delivering these bricks and
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: then I get the protests happened. I had to drop them.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: There's nothing there, and now they're just here. I mean,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: if you wanted to pick one up, or like the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: cop car getting flipped over and set on fire, It's
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: like I saw that, Like I saw that with my
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: own human eyes, like twenty thirty feet away, and it
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: was still weird, Like the cop car looked older than
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: like it, you know, just a lot of shit was
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I think they were like, let's allow this to go
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: out of hand, you know, or like whatever.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Was in La There was at one of the protests
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: in Santa Monica, there was a car parked in front
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: of like Santa Monica College or something, and it just
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: set free on the windshield and there were all these
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: pictures on social media where people were like, do not
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: touch this fucking car.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Course like that.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: But I'm sure my dad.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Works for Big car he was on the TV. Yeah,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: busting people and like that. He was like an auto
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: crime detective. Oh yeah, he had his big one liner
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: was some guy went, I gotta go to work in
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the morning, and he goes, you're not gonna make it, right,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna make it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of this sort of nonsense going
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: on in the summer of twenty twenty. Like there was
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: another there was like the West Hollywood protests where there
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: were just a bunch of unoccupied cop cars.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Unlocked, like lying down in the middle of the street,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: just waiting for people to come and steal them and
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: do shit.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I was at all these a lot of these protests.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of weird shit like this.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I wasn't there. I was across the country,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: but like I was even online, that was easy to
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: see that there were a lot of setups going on.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you would hear or read articles that would
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: try and explain this, and one of the things they
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: would lean on is well, COVID canceled a lot of
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: July fourth celebrations, So there's just all these surplus fireworks
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: that are being sold for cheap and It's like man,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: COVID canceled jobs too. People didn't have money to spend
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: on surplus fireworks to set off during protests in July
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Summer of twenty twenty was not like, hey, honey, we're
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: getting one hundred dollars freedom package. It's beat high and
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: shrink wrapped in the gills. It's going to be a
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: whole barrel of fun for the family. Yeah, it was,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: especially when you're reading a pack of old hot dogs
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: and some fucking warm sprite. Shut up. Everybody's gonna die.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: And especially not in the areas where these protests were happening,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: or at least where the fireworks were happening, like those
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: were areas that were especially hard hit by COVID. It's like,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: come on, I.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Lived in Eco Park in right on the border of
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: downtown and for a long time, and I know what
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a baseline level of fireworks and a firework neighborhood, whatever
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: that means is. Yeah, you know there's some neighborhoods people
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: always lighting fireworks. Some neighborhoods it's cold. They couldn't imagine.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: This is the fireworkiest neighborhood I've ever been in my life.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: It would be you know, let's say, on average a
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: firework a day, you know, I mean someday there would
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: be eight, and there would be none for two, three,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: four days, and then there're three and then so that's
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: a lot. This was like four to five to ten
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: fireworks a night for like three weeks. It was strange.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: It was insane. Number twelve. Speaking of insane, Hammer and
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Scorecard slash Italy Gate.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, this.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Was one of the early twenty twenty election theories.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and two of the worst SNL characters, Hammer and Scorecard,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I mean Frons and Franz. They were not.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: It's also the just the stupidest theory because the way
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: it works is Obama and the deep State, which sounds
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: like a Buddy comedy in the making in and of
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: itself or.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: An amazing funk band.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They built a supercomputer called Hammer and a software
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: program called Scorecard, and they can use Hammer and Scorecard
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: together to intercept votes that are cast and change them
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: in any given election. Now, remember, the theory here is
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: that Obama and the deep state, YEP, this election stealing
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: computer which they then immediately deployed to lose the twenty
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: sixteen elections. Shut the fuck up.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: This is I bring it up. We've done I don't
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: even know how many fucking episodes about the goddamn election
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: fraud theories, all of them. They none of them intersect,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: but there's a bunch of them. Yes and yeah, that's
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: never are answered. None of them even try to answer that,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: And to me, that is vital. You have to answer
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: that question, why, if this exists, and if the Democrats
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: are so powerful and able to steal elections, why did
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Trump win in the first place? Like, before we can progress,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: that has to be the first thing.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And it's shocking how that question really is never asked.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Like if you even when you read articles that debunk
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: this claim or question this claim, they're like and then
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: people will ask, well, why didn't the Democrats use it
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: to win all those down ballot races? And it's like,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: that's not the question. It would be why didn't they
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: use it to stop Trump in the first place.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I know why they didn't because they don't want to,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: because they're secretly Republicans too, and they don't give a
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: shit about you.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, we have one government.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: That is first of all, the most plausible explanation that
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: anyone has offer in support like of why this would work,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: but also that would help their They can't say that
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: because then the Democrats can't be the great evil. And
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: if the Democrats aren't the great evil, then why did
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: the election get stolen? You know, like it's it's this
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: or boris.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah's circuitous logic.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: It eventually was revealed, if you can believe it, that
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: this theory was the work of a hoax artist named
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Dennis Montgomery, who once tricked the Bush administration into believing
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: he could detect terrorist signals in Al Jazeera broadcasts, which
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: is funny and also racist and seemingly kind of dangerous.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the thing. Yeah, I'm very torn on this guy,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: just based on belief, because it's like, on the one hand,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I totally support franking the Bush administration on the highest order.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: But on the other hand, I don't know if that
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: is a helpful prank.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: No, no, not the Al Jazeera thing, definitely not.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: I don't think so well.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: And this one, I mean, this one isn't either. They
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: both have, like this, a similar political right wing political agenda. Yeah,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: you know, so this this is like less of a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: prank and more of like willful disinformation to shift public
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: like will.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah number eleven the Joe Scarborough murder theory. The incident
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: here goes way back to two thousand and one.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I never like dived into any of this, but I
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: hope that he killed somebody so bad.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I know, I was preferred that would be killed.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Great to see him walked away in chains, wouldn't you
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: with this fucking smug, mile high fifty six year old hair.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Oh but no, but it's fallen flat because he hasn't
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: been able to style it.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Another one of Crano's dubious show business anecdotes is that
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I heard of a you know, a friend of a
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: friend went on a date with him, and he tried
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to order for her like a successful woman than entertainment herself.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: And then it's like, to have the fucking balls to
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: tell this woman what to eat? Old, Yeah, it was.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Just did kill this woman.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Ever since I heard that, I've been like, I don't
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: need to hear anything this man and listen to anything
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: this motherfucker says. He's a fucking you know, it's so
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: unbelievably corny.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: So what happened is in two thousand and one, a
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: twenty eight year old woman named Laurie Klausseutis fainted as
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: a result of an undiagnosed heart condition and she hit
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: her head and died. And the thing is she was
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: in Joe Scarborough's office when it happened. But I think
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: when people hear that, they're picturing Joe Scarborough sitting behind
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: a huge desk and this woman comes in and it
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: all happens there. No, no, no, no, no. Joe Scarborough had
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: an office in Florida at the time. She had a
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: desk in that office. She didn't hit her head on
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: his desk. She hit her head on her desk in
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: his office, which was in office with lots of other people. Also,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Joe Scarborough was not in Florida at the time, which
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: would make this crime, we're at a crime hard to
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: pin on him.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: But he had someone do it well.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: He went out of town and he left those banana
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: appeals in his office an agenda.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: And after like this was a story, you know when
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: it happened, It's come back from time to time. There's
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: a really unfortunate for Joe Scarborough incident where he apparently
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: made a joke about this to don iMOS before appearing
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: on don Imos's show and then Don iMOS like referenced
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: it on the air and was like, no, you're a
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: funny guy. You told me about how you killed that
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: woman in your office before we started recording. We did
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: an episode about this, and I think we played a
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: recording of that on the episode. But at the same time,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: he wasn't in Florida and he and this woman had
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: like zero connections her husband. After Trump started bringing this
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: back up, which that's when it came back out again,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: where when Joe Scarborough started you know, talking me in
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: to Trump, and Trump started tweeting about how maybe they
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: should open a cold case investigation about Joe Scarborough.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I say, we ignore all of that, and we take
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the Don eimersting as a confession and we have him
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: burned at the stake executed.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, like a.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Big prime time network special. You know, the other morning
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Joe Chick with whatever she's watching in a black dress
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: and like crying and and like, you know, like you're
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: obliviating platitudes about the American like ideal.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: You know, right, this sounds like the television event of
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: the century. I mean, obviously I think that we should
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: do that. I don't think he killed this woman. He
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: does seem like a massive asshole.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: He seems like someone who would murder someone.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe he has killed someone. I'm not saying
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: he hasn't.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I think he's a pussy though, you know what I mean.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: So I don't think I think, I think he wants to.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I think he legitimately thinks about it, but he goes No,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: my career is just I'm poised for superstardom. I'm going
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: even the higher. I'm going Dan.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Rather and you know I didn't think about the Yeah,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: he is a careerist also, but yeah, I don't know.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's like went from like he's a Republican
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: congressman and now he's like a Democratic like anchor that
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: talks about Republicans but you know democratic what I mean,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: like preaching of the choir. Yeah, but in name only
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: a Dino, right.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: It's just he sucks. But like I do hate like
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: this is a thing that happens. You know, it happened
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: with seth Rich. Is the thing that happens a lot.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: I hate the tendency of conspiracy fearists of this type
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: to use dead people with props. I hate that and
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: this it just makes it's so gross.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: This woman's family is like I had to My daughter
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: had this terrible accident. You know, imagine someone you love
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: just slips and falls and fucking dies. It happened exactly.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: So her husband, I started to mention. He reached out
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: to Jack Dorsey at Twitter and asked him to take
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Trump's tweets down, and Twitter refused.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds about right. That place sucks.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. Number ten, this is boy. This one
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: slips in on a technicality flat earth theory. It's been around,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I mean technically longer than round Earth theory. It's just that. Yeah, correctly,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: it's pretty early into the game.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: That's a pretty good point. This is the Groover Cleveland
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: of conspiracy theories because it had time and so now
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: it's coming back.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: They get back. Yeah.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: It has definitely had a moment in the last few
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: years a lot of as A lot of that had
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: to do with rapper Bob, who at one point started
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: a crowdfunding campaign to build a satellite that he was
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: going to use to prove that the Earth was flat.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: He helped promote that crowdfunding campaign with a mixtape that
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: was all about flat earth stuff that the three of
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: us actually did an episode about Yeah, and here's the thing,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: that next tape was pretty good.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: It's surprisingly listenable. It's pretty good.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Because that's the thing, Bob, aside from this, like you
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: speak that if you went with a lower target.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Look, if he tried to convince me that there were
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: more people living underground and the next tape was that good,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I might be like, fuck, man, I'm just I'm Bob's
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the king of the mole people, who fucking you gotta
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: we need to start digging. We did. The people demand answers,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: but a flat ask. That's asking me to you know
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of shit.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: I look, there were ancient people's before Europeans who knew
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: that the Earth was round. It's very easy, doesn't count
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: observation to find that it's a sphere, like just by
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: observing the natural world. I mean, look, I don't they'll
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: know if we need to go into all of the
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: reasons why the Earth is definitely not flat. But it's
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: a it's a pretty good album.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: If you are, for some reason still on the fence
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: about the flat earth.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Thing, for get on a higher fence and.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Then yes, and I mean that sort of implies you
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: can still be saved. So yeah, sure, along the lines
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: of getting on a higher fence. Check out the documentary
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Beyond the Curve, which is about flat earthers, and it's
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: just mostly like it's a profile of a bunch of
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: flat earthers, But there's also them conducting a series of
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: experiments that they swear are going to prove once and
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: for all that the Earth is flat, and every single
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: one of them fails, and they have some excuse why
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: it failed, and they just need to do this thing next.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: The documentary ends with one of their experiments failing. The
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Earth is not flat.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Nope, it's not. Look, guys, we settled this hundreds of
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: years ago. We don't need to It's fine, it's it's round.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: It's not a flat earth. It doesn't make any sense.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: How would it that work. There's no I'd like, there's
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: no way that that works, even.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Though you drill through the crust and then you get
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: to the oil, which is in outer space actually of course, yeah,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: other side of the dark side of the plain.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Well no, But then there's also the people who think
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: it's flat, and then they also believe in hollow earth theory,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: but they also fight the hollow earth and the flat earth.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I like the hollow Earth, the hollow Earth. To me,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: that's more whimsical, you know what I mean. Conspiracy When
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: you talk about there being like a bunch of German
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: gods that like, you know, hate Jews down there, that's
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: like kind of not really my speed. But when you're
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: like there's lizards with gigantic brains that used telepathy, I'm like, okay, cool, Yeah, they.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Like the Jews.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like in Godzilla versus Kong, it's like there's a
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: bunch of big monkeys and like, you know, somewhere like.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: As that would be sick a bunch of fucking uzaru,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: you know, saying gigantic gorilla men exactly.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, all right, number nine. We've sort of touched on
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: this already. The Navy UFO videos. Yeah, speaking of fire mixtapes,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: the Navy just cannot stop dropping UFO videos on us,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: and we just cannot stop not caring it's at all.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I think they're totally giving us this cool, crazy shit
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: we thought we'd never get from the government because it
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: is like obfuscating a much crazier reality. Like imagine, there's
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: four new laws of physics that the people of America
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: are legally not allowed to know. Kind of thing, because
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: that's really what you're looking at here, is that there
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: are four new laws of like over whatever the fuck
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: that the fundamental way we understand the plane of existence
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: we're on is perhaps off or limited in scope. So
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: then they're like, well, oh yeah, I mean look at it.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: We got this's gotta all be for this fucking space
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: for shit, more military industrial moon base whatever. Like it's
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: a cloud of satellites with laser beams to stop the
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: it's just gonna like, we're gonna be whatever gets us
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: to rip more fucking lithium out of the grounds in
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: South America. So it's like amazing to see this ship.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm going, like, what the
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: fuck is Lockheed skunk Work spending that two billion dollars
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: on you know what I mean? Like, how fucking confused
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: are you? I really don't think it's that confused.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Well, there's there's a couple different conspiracy theories out there
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: along those lines. One I don't remember who said it.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I don't remember what show they said it on or
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: in what interview, but basically the idea is, well, the
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: United States like stripped away some of your freedoms in
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: the name of the Cold War, and then they did
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: it a little more in the name of fighting Islam.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, and then the next terrorists false flag attack.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be Aliens'.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: That's Warner von Bron on his deathbed, one of the guys,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: one of the like that was Warner von Brun, the
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: quarterback of Operation Paper Cliffs.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: That's Harry Comfort to know, yeah.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: The Tom Brady. This is all in that Stephen Gridoc
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: because it goes through his assistant who's like, yeah, yeah,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I got to like say this shit, I'm gonna die.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I need you to write this down for We did
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: it first with you know, it's and then it's going
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: to be globalism and terrorism and Iraq. And then I'm
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: just waiting for that fucking they're gonna blow They're gonna
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: blow up the Golden Gate Bridge or something with the
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: triangle UFO whatever they got down in the area fifty one,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: whatever slid they get in the hangar for some weekend
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: cruising in the you know, and then and then we'll
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: just you know, we'll be building the ship. We'll be
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: fucking well.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: The other the other theory is called Project Bluebeam, and
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: what that is is supposed to be the United States
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: running this false flag operation where they project something into
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: the sky that can basically be seen everywhere all at
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: the same time. Oh yeah, and this thing is going
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: to basically explain to people that you know, all of
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: your religions were basically dumb, Like this is actually what happened.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I have no doubt it's going to be like have
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: you seen ancient aliens? What happened is time traveling white
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: men came back and showed you savages how to do it.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: But the theory is that that's going to be the
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: United States like trying to impose a one world government
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: under the idea that well, now we have this to fight.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: And I don't know that I've said it before and
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: I will say it again. If that happens, I will
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: be terrified, but also a little proud that it was
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: my country.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah fucking did it. No way this is but again,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: this is this is just watchmen. What you guys are describing.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: As we learned covering as we learned covering conspiracy theory
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: with Jesse Ventura. Sometimes we put things that are true
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: in movies to soften people up for when it happens
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: in real life. Because I know, I'm all the way
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: softened up for the scenario played out, and Watchmen to
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: happen in real life, I'll be like, oh, it's like
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: the movie.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I think they do put that shit in movies are
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: really plot Like Steven Spielberg talked to a guy from
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: like the CIA or from the you know, the Deep
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: State Engineering Department or whatever like that came to them
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: when he was making Close Encounters of a third kind
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: to kind of like discuss details and how this would
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: go and that would go. And they've kind of alluded
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: to these conversations but never really talked about the nuts
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: and bolts of them. And it just seems like, ohoh yeah,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: wouldn't that be a good idea, because then you give
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the real story to the people who make the fake story.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: So every time someone sees something like the real story,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: they'll see, you just saw the fake story, and you
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: did a little LSD and you are you few and
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: your buddies are drunk, and you're making up stuff trying
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: to get in the paper, And it's just another way
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to facility with twitch the gaslights.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: You the CIA does have a Hollywood liaison off, or
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: if it.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Does, but also, you know, I don't necessarily want to
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: group the concept of doing research for a screenplay or
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: a film. You know, it's not all nefarious. Sometimes you
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: just want to know how the real thing would happen,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: because it makes your movie more like that movie.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I would encourage you to look up all the ten
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories about Steven Spielberg and think about how good
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: of a guy he is if even one is true.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: So I mean, sure, I mean I wonder b but
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: I wonder why there are a bunch of conspiracy theories
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: about the most popular director in Hollywood who also happens
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: to be Jewish.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: You do have a decent point there.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Number eight crowd Strike. First of all, this was the
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Democrat's fault for hiring a company called crowd Strike.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah it's a bad name.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: It's it's not the name you like. You don't hire
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: that name and then tell the world, Hi, where the
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: government we're working with CrowdStrike on this.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: It sounds like riot police, Yeah it does.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like they're there for bad reasons. This
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: was an early Russia investigation theory, and it had legs
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: for a while, mostly because crowdstrikes a real thing. I
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: saw a commercial for crowd Strike the other day, which
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: is crazy. They're somewhere here in California and they're just
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: like a tech security firm that Democrats hired to investigate
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: the DNC hack that seth Rich was murdered over, and
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: they eventually determined that Russia did it. But the way
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: this conspiracy theory works is that they determined Russia did it,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: but they did it by inspecting a server that was
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: in Ukraine, and now they won't turn that server over
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: to anyone. So what really happened is Ukraine hacked the election,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: not Russia. And no, the hack in question actually involved
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: like one hundred and forty servers which all had to
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: be taken down. The FBI didn't need the actual servers
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to investigate it, and if there was even one in
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Ukraine hasn't really even been determined.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Mm hm.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: But also I don't know how a server being in
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Ukraine would stop Russia from just like going to Ukraine
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: to do it, you know, no, make any sense.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: And also that might be a dumb question, but can't
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: you sort of put a server anywhere, like if you
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: were in Russia, when you'd be like, let's do it
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: on the one from Ukraine and Australia like.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how like the physical access to
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: it would make that much difference.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to get like an activity log, that would seems
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: to be like it would be generated diligitally fre easy
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: access in some capacity, just for like ease of maintenance
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and use with these devices. But you know, out of
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: my depth technically to speculate.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just had a cool name. It's like, of
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: all the conspiracies, it's the coolest name.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, it sounds very Skynet, like there's something going on
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: with them. These people want to strike the crowd. You know.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: That can't be good.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. As opposed to number seven, which is Frazzle Drip.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: I haven't heard that one.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: One of the most underrated muppets. I would say.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Frazzle Drip is an offshoot of Pizzagate. Pizzagate does not
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: make the list purely on a technicality. It surfaced in
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, and all of those incidents you remember also
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: happened in twenty sixteen, like the guy going to Comet
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Ping Pong to shoot the place up. So rules are rules,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: we said since May twenty seventeen. So Pizzagate doesn't make
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: the list, But Frazzle Drip which is a division of
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Pizzagate that surfaced closer to twenty eighteen. And the theory
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: here is perfectly simple and perfectly reasonable. There was a
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: video found on Anthony Wiener's laptop that was called Frazzle Drip,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: and that video depicts Huma Abidin and Hillary Clinton torturing
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: and murdering a child in the parentheses non existent close
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: parentheses basement of comet ping pong pizza. And at one
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: point they cut the skin off her face and wear
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: it as a mask, and they drink her blood. And
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I know people who are unfamiliar must think, wow, that
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: is some pretty compelling evidence if it's really on video.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: No one's ever seen the video. There's videos of people
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: saying I've seen the video and it's horrifying, And there
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: is one single screenshot from people who claim they've seen
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: the video. But the video is almost certainly not real
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: because if nothing else, the place where it's alleged to
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: have happened doesn't exist. But also, I don't think Hillary
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Clinton wears baby skin masks and drinks blood.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I think better.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: If both rushed to the same point.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Jenks, you wow each other cheese pizza.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: That's a nice Settle child pornography reference from Adam Well done.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: That's that's what that thank.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: You're trying to find a screenshot, but you know, obviously
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Google Images is burying it.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: But also like there's no way the screenshot is of anything.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the screenshot is some blurry like basement surveillance nonsense.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Because nobody has any sort of violence.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: But it's it's nothing. It's blurs and blobs.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I know, I want to see like the brittle piece
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: of evidence it was enough to make this a phenomenona
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: for sure. I mean I'm curious, just like iPhone three
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: in the dark picture that right, just of like two
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: dudes like unloading a bag of pinto beans or something,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: has got nothing to do with.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: It, right, I mean exactly like this screenshot. If it
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: were damning, a screenshot would be plenty of what they
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: are describing.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: But Hillary Clinton eats babies as like a cultural punchline
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: has reached like a level of saturation to the point
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: where like my aunt Aaron has heard of it. So
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: whatever this is succeeded, you know what I mean, Like
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the whole share was to associate Hillary Clinton with you know,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: and we're here fucking talking about a wrap up list
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: for the the fifteen of the best five years. So yeah,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean they won, good job, this larious.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: They've absolutely won in every possible way. I had definitely
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: wouldn't argue with that.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: This was one of our biggest episodes, Frazzle Drip episode
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: fucking huge, really got more listens than a lot of
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: our stuff.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: The right wing just had such a great political strategy
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: of like fuck everything, appoint judges. Yeah, and like a
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: political circuit breaker of policy, or there's now like a
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: super legislature that just goes Nope, that four hundred year
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: old law is not the law.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it turns out it's really easy to be politically
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: effective if you have no morals and your only guiding
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: principle is to screw over people you hate, and you
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: all hate the same people. It's it turns out that's
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: a really effective organizing tactic.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I meant to help tell me what the Democratic Party's
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: organizing tactics will give you a million dollars. It is
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: not as good as that, like the evil people we hate,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: that is fucking work since the dawn of time exactly.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: This is the whole problem.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Like the text credits for charter schools and renewable energy spending.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Well, and you know, and even put aside, like the
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Democrats of the National Party, just the left, even the
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: good parts of the left in general, we care too
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: much about doing the right thing and trying to help people,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: and people have a lot of different ideas about how
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: that works, and that makes it really hard to coheze
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: in the same way.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, let's do a lot of long, difficult work
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: of grassroots political organizing to sustainably build towards a more
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: empathetic and kind future to our fellow countrymen. Is like
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: not as appealing a pitch as Yo, Let's get some
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: fucking hilarious T shirts and some tiki torches and let's
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: go fucking get loud. Man, I'm feeling good. You what
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: fuck these people like? It's just like one side pitches
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: you a party, the other side says, would you like
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: to do some horrible homework, and everyone just goes well,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: I like parties.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: It also makes it easier to then squeeze out the
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: people who don't want to do either thing.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: It's like someone in the centers looking at the rights, like, well,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: they at least start getting stuff done. They look at
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: the and it's like they don't seem to even like
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: each other. So yeah, it's great good times.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I've been depressed enough of my life. I've thought about
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: the DSA, but it didn't sound fun at all. I
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: bet I'd make one plussy joke and get a bunch
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: of weird stares and geez.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: No, not even that. Like, they're just poor organizers and
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: often as a trying to go for a national party
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: they fall into the same tramps as the Democrats and
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: other national parties fall into.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: All right, number six, Pizza gate, that's what.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: That was what, That's what. That whole thing that we
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: were just doing was.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Long winded echo chamber number six.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: The five G weapon theories, even for the fun one. Yeah,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: even before people were talking about five G spreading COVID,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: which was always one of the most unimaginable things to
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: me from a deployment standpoint, if nothing else, because how
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: do the people deploying it not get COVID too?
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: From a biological standpoint, how are you I'm deploying a
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: virus over an actual.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure if we could put syphilis in wi
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Fi like we would have already done it to putin
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: in like a spy versus spy capacity.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: Now, the five G weapon theory was a little different.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: I get why people were concerned because there is indeed
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: a military weapon out there called the active Denial system,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: and it works using the same type of waves and
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: frequencies that five G Internet operates on. Like they work
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: on the same spectrum, and this band of the spectrum,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: wavelength whatever had never really been opened up for use
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: the way it's being used with five G. So I
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: get why, like these concerns seem a little more valid
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: to me than five G spreads.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: COVID sounds like a great a spy movie or a
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Batman movie where the Jewelerman every Wi Fi Rouder and
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Gotham turned into a heart attack gun and now everyone's
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: itching from the inside, Like yeah, just it would cause pandemonium.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, this would be like, you know, imagine if
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: very like because supposedly this device doesn't really it's not
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: really painful. It just makes you cut. What does it
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: really do to you, Adam, Like, what's the effects of
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: being hit?
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: But it's like being hit with a microwave ray. Everyone
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: knows what that's like I'm sure exactly, yeah, yeah, No,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: it's just apparently it doesn't hurt, but it just makes
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: you feel like kind of hot and uncomfortable.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like nerve induction. It's like I think it
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: does hurt, but maybe not, like it's just not going to.
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: Be difficult to describe way Yeah, yeah, they say it's not.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: It's not actually painful. It's just like a malaise, like
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: a feeling. And in that case, like even if five
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: G can be used for that, I don't know if
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: I care. Well no, but also doesn't mean it's going
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: to be It doesn't mean using it in that way
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: would necessarily be effective, right, I don't know.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: And also just the general technology behind how five G
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: and cell phone reception works. For one thing, I think
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: most people just don't know or care enough to know
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: specifically how that would be kind of unfeasible to use
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: as a weapon. But also like when they say things
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: like it uses the same frequency or the same wavelength
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: that the active denial system does, that's really simplifying things
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: and it doesn't really like it uses the same like
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: when we're talking about waves in these sort of thing,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: it's all like segmenting the light spectrum, like it's.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: All light flower is going to kill you because it's
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: the same color as cocaine. Like, right, it's just like
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: abstract point of association that they're extrapolating a whole meaning from.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: But I mean, like you know, like radio waves are
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: light waves. We just call them radio waves because that
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: we interact with them in a distinct way that is
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: separate from how we interact with what we think of
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: a regular visible light. And that's just all you know,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: that's all this is going on.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: It's just science, baby, It's just science.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: And it turns out when your entire philosophy is oriented
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: against anti intellectualism, makes it easier to trick you on
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: the science stuff.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Right, all right, now we're getting to the top five
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: heavy hitters. It's the big time. I didn't even put
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: explanations or links for any of these in the notes
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: because I trust everyone on the pod and everyone listening
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: is full aware of all of these stories. Number five
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Hunter Biden's laptop. This is one of those stories that
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: everyone was right about and everyone was wrong about.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Right, if you're a politician, don't let anybody you know
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: have a fucking laptop advice.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: For you this I still we did the episode about
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: this not too long ago, and the thing that's still
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: it blows me away is that the people pushing this
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: theory want it to be accepted as just hard evidence
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: of wrongdoing beyond question. Meanwhile, this laptop that was turned
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: in was turned into a legally blind computer shop owner
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: who cannot identify the face of the person who gave
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: it to him, but does know the guy said he
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: was Hunter Biden, And it's like right there, Yeah, if
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: this is just a regular dude, that case is getting
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: thrown out of court, Like that's.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Not Yeah, that is such a weird detail that if
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: you were trying to like leak this stuff, would you
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: go to the legally blind guy that couldn't for you?
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Or if you're Hunter Biden, do you then like I
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: gotta find the legally blind guy so we can't identify it.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Like it kind of makes sense for whoever's doing this
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: to Yeah, I.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Do you do wonder did he like do research? Like
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: maybe go on the Better Business Bureau and be like, this.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Guy's got terrible scores.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Here here's my question. If your Hunter Biden, do you
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: even bother having your laptop fixed? No, I mean, yeah
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: one fixed. Yeah you can, like you can recover the
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: ship off of it.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Your dad got you like deals with Saudi a Ramco.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: He'll get you a fucking laptop, dude, Like, don't write.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, the doubt that that opens up, obviously,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: is that someone could have stolen Hunter Biden's laptop, put
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: extra incriminating information on it that wasn't true, and then
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: handed it in to this computer shop. Granted you'd have
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: to know that the owner of that computer shop is blind,
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: but still, like I doubt that they had to file
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: a Foyer request to figure that part out. But no
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: matter what happened, that opens this story up to so
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: much speculation that Republicans were expecting people to just overlook
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: and like walk Hunter Biden directly to prison without a trial, right,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Very funny, very very funny.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, But like I think part of the problem that
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: they ran into like an obstacle is that they they
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: not only needed to prove that Hunter Biden was guilty
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: of doing something illegal, which I think from everything that
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: we know about Hunter Biden is like really easy, that
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: would be very easy to do, but like they also
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: needed him to have done something very illegal in such
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: a specific way that it would also hurt Joe Biden.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: And we only did pretty illegal stuff like meth from
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: sex workers, which is pretty illegal. But everybody knows somebody
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: that does meth or sex worker, you know, especially if
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: you Washington.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: Like he's definitely, you know, done drugs, and like he's
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: definitely fucked up. And I'm sure he's done some business.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing. The things that Republicans accuse him
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: of he did, Like the emails that they say exist
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: exist and they've been confirmed to be real. What doesn't exist?
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: And I think we can couple this with the number
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: four entry, which is the Russia investigation. At this point,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: what does an exist in Hunter Biden's laptop is proof
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: that Joe Biden knew anything about it? And it's the
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: same thing with the Russian investigation where people on the
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: left were like, fuck, yeah, that's gonna take Trump down,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: and it turns out, yeah, his campaign probably colluded with Russia,
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: but they weren't gonna involve Trump in it. Like that's
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: how you keep yourself president or you keep yourself vice president.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: You don't get involved in this shit. Have any doubt
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: that fuck?
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Like it was just frustrating because Trump would basically like
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: incriminate himself in many ways, but those are not admissible,
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: like in the same way.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very frustrating. But the laws, the law, I mean, yeah, no,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: I know. O. J. Simpson was acquitted too, and I
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: think that was the justice system working the way it's
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: supposed to. Right. They absolutely prosecute him properly and he
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: got off. That's how it's supposed to work. And yeah,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: the Russian investigation in Hunter Biden's laptop feel like they
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: feel like parts to me.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the one is retaliating for the other.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, no, in part the Russian investigation, And I
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: think the retaliation for the Russian investigation is that there's
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: still an ongoing investigation into how the Democrats handled Right,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: the Russian investigation, which still hasn't completely which run.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: Its course we did a whole episode on did not
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: make the list is just nonsense, very hard to follow
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: at all.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those things where they keep releasing
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: evidence and details and indictments and they're like, it's not
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: going to take down the Democrats, like it might take
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: down a Democrat or two from time to time, Like
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: the Hunter Biden thing, a couple people have gone to
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: jail over Hunter Biden dealings, but nothing that serious.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: The Mother reportant the whole Russian investigation is why I
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: stopped following politics. If you remember that episode of The
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Simpsons with Pucci in the episode whereas it's all, where
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: when are we going to get to the fireworks factory?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: That was the experience for like two years of just
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: when are we going to get to the fireworks factory?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Robert Mueller has gone home to his home planet, and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: I thought, why, how could I be so stupid that
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I let anybody convince me this would be consequential or
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: even interesting, even interesting to follow on like a political
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: scandal tabloid Watergate level, Like it just fucking wasn't right, It.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Wasn't interesting, It was consuming, like it just unfortunately, like
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: was a black hole of attention.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Of speculation and points of interest that could like be
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: interpreted like tea leaves any million number of ways, and
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: I still have and having spent so much of that
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: time like quote unquote learning about it or following it,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I feel at this point like I know nothing about
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: what happened.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: That speaks to the other thing that bothered me about it. Yes,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: it was pointless and didn't really lead to anything. But
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: also after it came out, you'd have all these people,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: like elected officials who would go on TV or get
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: in front of their people and be like, I read
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: all of the Mueller Report and it's like, motherfucker, it's
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: like four hundred pages, like you, goddamn well, better have
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: read the Muller Report. And here's the thing. The reason
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: they're saying that is because most people probably did not,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: because that's too many pages, and it's like that's like
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: a short Stephen King book you can get, Yeah, the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Muller Report in a week, probably less than that if
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: you put your nose to the grindstone.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: I read Prisoner of Azkaban in like three days when
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: I was like ten, So you know absolutely.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: I read all the Hunger Games books in a week. Wow,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: thank you, thank you.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: And how old were you when needed this?
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: I was in my thirties.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: That's that's how Adam says. Thirty nine.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Probably so yeah, that was number five and number four
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: the Russian investigation. Yeah, in Hunter Biden's laptop number three.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: I guess this probably could have been number one. COVID
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: is a bio weapon or any any pick your COVID conspiracy.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: COVID's not reo, COVID's bio weapon, pretty defining conspiracy theory
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: of our time the decades so far.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Covid' is not Real was my favorite. I met a
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: few COVID and not real people like pretty deep in
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the game.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fun.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: I was jealous. I was like, he really doesn't think
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: it's real.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: No one actually died.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: I was just in Omaha, Nebraska, and you're not gonna
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: believe it, but I ran into a COVID denier there.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: I was at a record store.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: And well then we get a record scratch. What a
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: COVID denier an Omaha.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: I walk in this record store and I was wearing
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: a Mariah Carey hoodie and this guy who was working
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: there goes, man, are you really a Mariah Carey fan?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I fucking love Mariah Carey. I
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: was like, in fact, the last thing I did before
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: COVID was go see what turned out to be Mariah
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Carey's probably last concert in Vegas. And I was like,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: I can't believe I was in Vegas that deep into
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: it and didn't get COVID. And he just goes oh yeah,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: I don't even think COVID is real. And immediately upon
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: him saying that, one of the other customers just makes
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: a beat line for the door when he leaves. The
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: other woman working goes, have a good day, and the
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: guy goes, I'll be back when he's gone. And then
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: this guy is unfazed by that happening and just carries
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: on and he said something like, I think when people
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: were getting the vaccine, they were actually like getting the
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: crumbs of covid. He used the phrase crumbs of covid,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: and he said he never got a vaccine and he
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: never got COVID, and he thinks that's why he didn't
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: get COVID, because he never got the vaccine ever got any.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Those crumbs in his system. It's like, which is kind
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: of how a vaccine works. I don't think that's.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: The vaccine.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: It's not how the COVID vaccine works. I don't think
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: at least the ones that we have in America. I
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: think there's now out of country that's got a little
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: bit of the weakened virus. But he like was half
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: remembering like fifth grade, the seventh grade science class. Yeah,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: and then like you know, just putting a little bit
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: of his own, you know, Facebook feed theories on it.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: That's what I love. People that are individual conspiracy theory,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Like nobody really put this together for me, But I've
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: decided absolutely there's a whole like lab leak aspect of
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: it too that everyone was like, this is so jinguistic,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: how could we even suggest this about the Chinese? And
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: then it was from what I my cursory understanding is
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: that it looks very likely that it was like leaked
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: out of a lab in some form.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've always had a problem with people not differentiating
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: between China created this as a weapon and unleashed it
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: on us, and it maybe escaped from a lab in China.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Those are two totally regular error you know.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, one thing is a thing that can very
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: much happen at a place, and the other is a
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: nefarious conspiracy theory. And I don't know that it would
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: make that much of a difference if that's how it happened,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: we would just know how it happened.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: They were having bats for lunch, and they had one
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: perfect cooked one nested on top of the dumpster that
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: no trash hauld touched, and a passerby just needed a snack.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna be honest, it sounds like
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: the less racist option. Then someone ate a bag?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: What God that I mean?
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Like sure, I mean, I don't know if I couldn't
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: really comment, but.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a little look like I just gotta say,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: I I would have to do a lot of you
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: know what conspiracy theorists like I would have to do
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: a lot of my own research before I could come
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: down on that opinion. But of course it's not totally illogical.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: The problem is that ninety percent of the people who
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: were pushing it are huge races, like and when that's
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: where most of the people, most of the people who
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: are saying these things, then that makes it tough.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's still not I don't understand how it's
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: so inconceivable to people that an accident could happen at
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: a fucking lab.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's inconceivable. Is it the opposite?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: And it is, but it's weird.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Well, the nuance of it is like the right wing
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: guys that had those conspiracy theories about how this is
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: China trying to, you know whatever, like poison all of us,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: It's like seems like they might have been right ahead
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: of time for the wrong reasons. I guess it's, you know,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: just maybe the case.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: And look again, I'm not saying whether or not this
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: is a valid theory to have, and I've I said
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: that it is not completely unlikely. It's just I think that, yeah,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: it's tricky territory that I don't really I don't think
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: it's if, like you said, and I agree that it
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: doesn't really matter really, then I don't really need to even.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: I mean it would matter for like knowing how it
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: happened and how to prevent it in the future. And
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like I don't know the way people jump
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: to that part of it being oh, well, that's what
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: the racists say. It's like, is it like, have you
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: looked into it enough to know that only the racists
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: are pushing that particular one, because I get the China
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: created it and released it.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: As I'm not saying only I'm just saying most.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Is with everything, and yeah, even if it is, whatever
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: it is, you do you want to have, like if
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: you want to have an opinion about something, or you
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: want to get involved in a hobby or a community
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: like I love playing U you cards. Guess who the
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: fuck I hate the most Yu gi oh card players.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, these people stinking. Yeah, I don't want
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: to spend a second in my life with them. So
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I never play yu gi oh. I think
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: corvettes are cool. I guess what I would never buy
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: because everyone has a corvette is a fucking douchebag. I'd
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: be too embarrassed. I'd be too self conscious. It's like
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: you don't get to like, like internally the group that
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: you are associated with, you know what I mean.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: It's just this disagree and again, I'm not coming down
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: one way or the other on the validity of this theory.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, as I said to start off this rant,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: I have to really read into this. I have not
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: read anything convincing. But that doesn't mean I've read everything.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: I haven't read anything, and I'm here talking about like
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: I know about it.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: Well that's the thing, is lovely. I've trying.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: I haven't. So that's the thing. I haven't read anything
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: super convincing on either side of that.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Sure, but like I never saw a conclusion really, but.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: It all seems like something that we don't know yet.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: But you know, it also killed a bunch of Chinese people.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: And so you know, again, that's not I'm not saying,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: we're saying.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it was.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: Neither of us are saying.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: But you just said it killed a bunch of Chinese people.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it would if it escaped, If it escaped.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: From a lab in China, why wouldn't it.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: And also, even if the Chinese government don't to kill America,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: who cares if they kill a few Chinese people, they
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: don't care.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Again, no one is saying someone intentionally smuggled it out
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: of a lab and.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: Threw it at a bat. I know that.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: It's just that I'm saying if they did, they wouldn't
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: care how many people in Wuhana get killed at all.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: I don't disagree. I don't disagree. Look, I'm trying to
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: be pretty even handed here. I feel like i'd be
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: a very fair to this theory.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: No, I just assied for a job at splitsider dot commerce. Ary,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: what are you terrified about?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying the point about it also killing Chinese
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: people doesn't really matter as far as the lab leak thing,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: like for.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: Sure, Okay, I've just spoke then, I don't know. I'm
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: just jamming we're just hey.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: We mentioned you know, sometimes the people who promote a
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: theory are also people that you don't necessarily want to
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: like or get along with. What's interesting about our number
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: two theory is that I feel that way kind of
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: newly about people on both sides of the QAnon theory.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: First of all, I guarantee everyone who's really into QAnon
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: who hears that it's number two is up in arms.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: And let me tell you that's why fucking QAnon people
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: at this point. Obviously, one side is more dangerous, and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: that is the side that believes QAnon and will eventually
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: execute elected officials on the fucking White House lawn. But
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: then there's that other side that I feel like consumes
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: QAnon content about as much as QAnon believers, and man,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: whenever we talk about QAnon, inevitably there will be a
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: comment that's like, man, this podcast did a four hour
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: episode about that. You should listen to it, and it's like, bitch,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: I have a job. I'm not I don't have that
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: much time to dedicate to QAnon.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: This thinks this might be a bad time to tell
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: you about my new children's project, cluinon where Blue the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Dog gives you Q drops and asks you to.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: Look into it.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: No Pepperoni pizza school luncho this week. I think the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: Democrats are blowing the supply chain crisis. You know something
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: you might want to think about, Timmy. Yeah, No, the
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: you can get so sucked into something that you realize
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: by hating it, you are now as big a fan
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: of it as the people who love it absolutely and Yes,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: instead of even getting to have the community of all
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: your cute like fucking believers and you guys know that
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be hanging out with Donald Trump at fucking
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: mer Lago someday talking about how you won the Civil War.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: It's like, you don't. You don't even get to have
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: that fantasy, that camaraderie. It's just a bunch of other
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: like forty two year old like too smart for their
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: own good woke scholds with like degrees they aren't using that,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: don't fuck their wives and haven't had fun in fifteen
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: years once they stop doing drugs. So it's like, we'll
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: pick your fucking poison. Do you want to have like,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: like you know, fun being right or do you want
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: to die of COVID being wrong? With all the other
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: unvaxed people in the field with drinkid bud lights, like
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: people just want like a community. And yeah, I think
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: some people like just you feel like they're so sensible
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: or they can't get into any of these things. They
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: just end up in their little islands of like I'm
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: an expert on why those two nineteen year old like
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: kids are fake lawyers and trying to sort you know,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: and it's like, oh my, you fucking this is your life?
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Is your whole life is analoging reasons that this is bad.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: That's yeah, it's exhausting, and it's a disease that the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: last five years, basically six years has kind of exacerbated. Yeah,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: that's why I personally don't think about Qbanon until I
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: am compelled to for this show. Otherwise, don't think about
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: it at all.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't find it entertaining. No, Like it's
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: not a true crime drama, like it's it's undoing our
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: fucking democracy, and it's probably and.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: It's like a lark, like you know, the guy that's
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: actually Q also sucks, you know what I mean, Like
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: that guy's not really even that interesting. There's no it
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: could be.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: Or whatever, Like it's a bunch of people and they're
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: all boring and that's why they do it, because they
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: need to make their lives interesting.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you like, if you need to have a cult,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: you know, it's never somebody that like like was all
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: like it wasn't like Tina Turner like brought everybody out
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: to the like, Oh wow, she's really got some talent,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: some you know something. It's like you suck already, you
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: find people that also suck, and you get a fucking
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: hive mind going until something happens.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: He's should starticle.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: Get this obsessed about the Catholic church, right, we take
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: that one on.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Next, Get this obsessed about finding a job you like
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: you know, or like somebody to fuck. Yeah, get obsessed with, like,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know, being healthier.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: Like your community.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Learn to throw knives, like like, stop just playing Overwatch
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: and be the best Overwatch player like like life.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: The QAnon followers definitely need to start learning how to
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: throw knives. I can't see that backfiring.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Well, you know it's myself who exercises proper safety. I
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: understand your joke, but not all knife you take.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: Thank you for understanding my joke. I appreciate it. I
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: would only use defense, trying here.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Only for home defense, and then only I would only
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: use it for home defense, because it would be funny
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: to see how it would not actually work at all.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: Like a very hold the knife.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the free knife, is probably what he would say.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a knife is a thing you can use more
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: than once if you just keep.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: To me. They're like Kleenex, give me another one, boom
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: one more.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: So Yeah, sorry, Q Andon's number two. And here's the thing,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: the more I think about it, what I have at
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: number one should be number one. Yes, absolutely, that is
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: the death of Jeffrey Epstein. There is so.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: Much a guy around here we like to call Jeff.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: That was David Spades's joke when we did our Jeffrey
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: Epstein memorial. Always he said, here's a look at a
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: guy we like to call Jeff, the guy we called Jeff.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: The death of Jeffrey Epstein is one of the shadiest
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: moments in American history.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: God I said that at the time. It's a defining
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: conspiracy theory of our generation. It's I think so massive. Well,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: it has changed how so many people think about conspiracy theory.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: It's the avatar of conspiracy theories. There was never a
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: movie this big, you know what I mean, everybody fucking
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: saw it for some reason, we all were paying attention
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: to and.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: It hasn't had quite the cultural you know hold that
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: you think it should. But the sequel is still going
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: to make a lot of money.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: So I was going to say, I just want to
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: get my sincereus congratulations to the deep state whoever for
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: it's the way they swept this one under the rug.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: It was pretty masterful. The obsurcation of the whole thing,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: the gas lighting, everything was just textbook. George H. W.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: Bush was smiling upwards from hell as he watched this unfold.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: He couldn't have done it better himself.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: It was just like it was one of those things
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: where when he died and we did an episode about it,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: it felt like a foregone conclusion, and like so many
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: people just without there was no outrage.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: It was borgeous. People were just kind of like, yeah,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, this makes sense. I get that they probably
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: someone killed him, Like it's not surprising.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: They barely even tried to hide it, and to cover
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: up that, they barely even tried to cover it up,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: so it's like it's their excuse was crazy for looking
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: at it. Whatever.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: The excuse, Like the reason that they provide to explain
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: why it wasn't a conspiracy was rank and competence. They
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: were like, yeah, we didn't, you know, he was on
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: suicide watch it. We turned our back for a second
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: and and like, you know, it's just that that's how
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: you know it's real, is that they can't defend it.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always such a convenient excuse, is Oopsie, we didn't.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the only person I've ever seen argue
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein did kill him themselves. I've seen one
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: serious argument that Jeffrey Epstein did kill himself. And I've
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: read all the like I've read like the minute to minute,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: every single piece of documentation you could read about his
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: life and that jail cell up until he died. I've read,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: and this is the only case I've seen as a
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: guy who was a remote viewer. He said he astro
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: projected to Jeffer Epstein's jail cell and said he was alone.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: So if anyone wants to speak speak to a spiritual
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: medium or a psychic guide on the subject, I'd be
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: interested to hear if you corroborate their findings. But other
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: than that, I think every truck driver and fucking janitor
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: in America thinks that this motherfucker was killed.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I know. I know one person who I think
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: still believes Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, but I don't respect
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: trust him.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: So it's here's the thing, Like, even with the remote viewer,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: you know, they saw that he was alone, but that
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: doesn't preclude that someone was there forcing him to kill himself,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: which is, you know.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: No, I'm going to walk out of this. You're going
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: to kill yourself if and if you don't, then I'm
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: going to kill you tomorrow or you know whatever.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: Or whatever I mean, you know.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, and then the guy that was guy that was
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: in the cell with him died pretty promptly afterwards. He
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: probably wasn't even done spending the fifty grand he got.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't know who killed him specifically, but I mean,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: I think we got a pretty solid list in his
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: little black book, and you know, I think you just
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: start from there.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: If you go on lay back Machine, you can find
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: archives of Jeffrey Epstein's website and if you want to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: read his really if you want to hear how dumb
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: he was, you can read his blog posts about science
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: and like scientific advancements, Oh my god. And it's clearly
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: just like a guy on cocaine who's read like two magazines.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: And it's fucking pontificating because I loved this aspect of
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: him where he was just this socially, this like garish,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: over the top douchebag with like penis artwork in his
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: house and all this like really aggressive shit. And he'd
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: be talking with scientists when there was a lull in conversation,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: so you go, but what does that have to do
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: with pussy? Like he was, he was James Bond of
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: his own mind. There's a great article about a guy
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: who called every person on that little Black Book and
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: just said, hey, you know, these people hung up. I
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: think he talked to one woman for a really long time.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: He said that she had, you know, kind of gotten
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: to know him, become friends with him, and one day
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: he gave her a book about like this is basically
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: like the fucking playbook this is what Life's all about.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: And it was like a kind of pulp dime store novel.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: I forget the name of it, but it's about like
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: a horny spy who just gets into like sexploit missions
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: around the Globe. It's very fucking strange. So he's just, yeah,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: he's he's this like billionaire Bruce Wayne playboy. I don't
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: think that guy, that guy, that guy had, he didn't
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: entertain defeat once. Everything I read about he's just waiting
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: for his lawyers. He would, you know, kind of nervous
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: about it. But he's just he knew he had the
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: world by the string. He got in one sweetheart deal.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, however it was gonna happen, he horn swallowed
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: his way out of this one.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: This is not the first time he'd been in trouble
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: for this, and he was the craziest thing about Epstein,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: The thing that always drives me nuts is that it
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: wasn't even a secret people knew for years, for decades,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: people knew about this guy.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: And I don't think it was even though at the
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: level of like societal saturation is like the Luis k stuff,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: because I knew about that stuff in like twenty twelve,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. Sure, yeah, that was like a little bit deep,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: like I know, I know, like Chelsea Handler went to
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: his house and fucking didn't like really know what his
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: deal was, and she had a great joke with Sunny
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: and Woody Allen where she asked him how they met.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: But I just I think he like was able to
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: play both sides of it pretty well. And it got
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: to a point after the second or that the first arrest,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: rather where everybody knew and then it's like who's still
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: hanging out with him at that point, you know, like
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Bill Gate's right, Okay, this guy right, Yeah, And well
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: this is the number one conspiracy there's the last five years,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: because it's like incontrovertible proof of like some level of
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: sexual blackmail exploitation in the CIA going all the way
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: back to Midnight Climax in the seventies, you know, with
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: all the lower houses in San Francisco.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: And it's exactly why I don't respect the QAnon theory.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because exactly like it's just such a horrifying Yeah.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: Well, you're out here claiming that there is this global
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: cabal of elites who engage in sex with kids, and
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: then you think the guy who's going to rescue you
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: from it is the dude who's literally in a video
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: with Jeffrey Epstein at a party pointing at young girls
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: and like leaning over and talking to him about Yes,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: he's been on his island, He's been on his plane.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: There's like so copious evidence.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: Like the cognitive dissonance there, like put that q Andon
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: energy into fucking Jeffrey Epstein, Like we need Jeffrey Epstein,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: he needs a street team specifically.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it wasn't supposed to the Glane Trail because
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: that was, you know, just about getting some recompensement for
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: the many victims of Jeffrey Epstein. So I think people
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: kind of wanted all this to see all the loose
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: ends there, and it was just focused on the actual
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: allegation of what actually fucking you know, happened to these
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: people and taking care of them. You know, you got
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: to see some funny old pictures of Jeffrey and Gleane
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: and you know, the coolest outfits you could buy in
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, looking very friends. I'll be there for you,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: but I found but you know you didn't. We didn't
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: get to see all that fucking this amazing shit that's
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: got to be there, all these like sealed names and
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: you know, the CD with Bill Clinton's name on it
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: in the safe and all this fucking wild shit. I
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: mean for sure, So I mean that stuff is I mean,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: we didn't know about mk Ultra. Tell why that. I
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: mean it was like thirty years. I mean, you gotta
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: hope we'll live long enough to see a few more
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: tidbits about this come out, because you're like, we're only
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: gonna get tidbits here and there, you know, eventually.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: No, but it's like if we found out about mk Ultra,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: but there had already been this massive conspiracy theory that
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: was about like the deep State is mind controlling people,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: like you know, like there's not really a comparison with QAnon,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: but like the fact that QAnon they're very specifically about
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: this like pedophile cult among the elites, and that's what
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: Epstein is and it's yeah, it just doesn't ring at all, and.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, he's part of it. It's the same
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: way like Islama's like, yeah, Jesus was a private too,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: but Muhammad was.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Well, a really weird thing happened. I did an episode
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: back in twenty nineteen, and I want to believe it's
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: just a coincidence that for the first time in that
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: building I was in, someone went through my trash the
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: next day.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: Back in twenty nineteen, the FBI released a bunch of
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: documents pertaining to this group called the Finders Fuck and
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: we did it episode of this podcast about the Finders
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: called New mk Ulture. We actually did two of them.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: We did a longer one in twenty nineteen, and it
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: was based on these FBI files. And basically, these two
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: guys were pulled over in Tallahassee, Florida. They were wearing
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: suits like they look like FEDS, but they were also
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: driving a van with six disheveled looking kids who were
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: like visibly dirty and malnourished. They had a early eighties
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  Speaker 2: computer with a modem that they were able to use
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  Speaker 2: to talk to their shady network. And basically everyone who
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: investigated it came to the conclusion that it was a
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: child sex trafficking ring, and then the investigation got kicked
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  Speaker 2: up to the CIA, and the CIA shut it down.
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  Speaker 2: And in researching it, it seems like what it was
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: was the CIA set up this group as like a
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  Speaker 2: propaganda media outlet, which they did all the time. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure they still do. This group. Actually I found them
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  Speaker 2: on a congressional roll call or like a list of
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: approved publications, like a congressional list of approved publications, like
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: in between these two incidents one happens in eighty seven.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: One happens in I think ninety two, where both times
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: people try to investigate this group because they're like, this
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  Speaker 2: is a fucking sex cult, and it seems like what
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: it really was was the CIA set up this media
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: group basically and just kind of didn't pay much attention
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: to it, and it spun off into a child sex
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: trafficking ring. And when this investigation got to the CIA,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: they were like, Nope, we are not investigating that anymore.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: Like where's the fucking energy being put into stuff like that?
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  Speaker 1: Like just these two glimpses, just those two times they
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: stopped them and let them go, you know, and then
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  Speaker 1: we just would have who knows how fucking deep that
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: rabbit hole goes. It's just those two police reports.
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  Speaker 2: And then I mean, go back and listen to the
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: second episode we did, like at one point they executed
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: a search warrant and found a school, a preschool that
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: this group had set up that had underground tunnels that
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: connected to another building, and it had a security system
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: that was run just by flipping light switches. So if
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: they needed to say, get the kids out of this
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: building and into an adjoining property and get them away.
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  Speaker 2: They could do it really quick. Why why did they have.
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  Speaker 1: That h like and then I'm saying the same thing
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: that they said about Epstein the first time they gave
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: him the slap on the wrist. I think the quote
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: was it's above my head or above my pay grade,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: you know, like it comes down from comes down from
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: the top kind of kind of excuse or whatever that
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: he was like saying. And yeah, they say the same
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: thing here where it's like I would love to be
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: that's secretly us in a Fike mustache.
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  Speaker 2: So uh yeah, it just Jeffrey Epstein feels like someone
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: who got away with so much he had to have
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: some degree of government protection. B Oh, yeah, May government
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: is Raeley.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: So good at skateboards sponsored Russian government?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I also feel the same way
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: about Michael Jackson, so take take what I say with
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: a grain of salt. But also I still feel that
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: way about Michael Jackson.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: But there's people a lot of people make the messade
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: connection with you, Robert Maxwell, and uh all that with
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey as to who he was working for, but kind of,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't matter. It's like it's it's like
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: if one country is doing it. You know, they're all
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: doing it because they all have to compete with each other.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: It's like, well it's tell Southwest at giving out honey
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: roasted peanuts. You got jack shit on Delta, like you
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: know what?
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, and they're not making them like keep sex
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: slaves like that's his thing. He wants to do that,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: like theyre and they're taking advantage of that, and that's gross.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: If that's true, then sure, but yeah, he did that
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: stuff is on his own.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And like we were talking about MK ultra. One
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: of the commonly known things about MK ultra in the
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: sixties that people just throw out there, like, Hey, isn't
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: this a fun tidbit? The CIA ran brothels in San
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: Francisco's was part of the MK ulture, And people are
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: just like, oh, that's weird. No, it's not where did
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: they get the girls? How like how did that happen?
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: They just a stable of sex workers or I'm sure
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: they just went out and like handed out cards and said, hey,
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: you want to fuck for the CIA?
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: I doubt it?
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: Absolutely very creepy.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, that's why Jeffrey Epstein is number one
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: on this list and in our hearts.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: Unquestionably if it wasn't number one, I would have argued
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: with you.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm actually in the I've been in the process
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: for years. If I want to get a painting commissioned,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: and it's me and Jeffrey Epstein, like we know each
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: other and we're best friends, to get a party or
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: in his house just hanging my home, I think that
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: would be cute.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds great.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: I think it's the kind of thing that Jeffrey Epstein
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: would have had in his house. Honestly, it's something really
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: stupid good.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and who and who wouldn't you want a model
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: your life after it?
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Would it would be better if you could do it
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: like that picture of Jack Torrance at the end of
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: the Shining Oh yeah, and then people see that when
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: they come in your home, and then when they leave
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: you hand them.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: I was hoping for a dictators and horrible people, you know,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: it was just the one.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: You hand them when they leave or in it.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: How about one of the famous pictures like the one
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: event of like ghislainme with Elon muh Score, you know,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: Epstein and Trump hanging out, but you photoshop yourself into
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: the background, like.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: Kind of like like hide in your Face.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: I like the one of him Galaine, and I think
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: it's Harvey Weinstein because they're all super dressed up for
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: some really fancy so they just looked like they're in
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: like a high school play.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh oh fun. Well, this was a very fun episode.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you both for doing it. I know it went
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: a little longer than we expect. This is great, that's fun,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: but it's two hundred blow it out, Connor. I hope
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: you'll come back for some some more episodes in the future.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hit me up any time. I love the conspiracy.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I love those long haul truckers. You know,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: I know, I know you've missed me for some reason.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: Here I am.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, and you know me and Olivia will be
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: back yep, well Olivia for sure. I don't know, like
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: if I can talk Connor into it, and you know,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: I might just take.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: Off, okay, sure whatever, Like look, who needs down?
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: I like to talk. I thought a weird seat, Like
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: you know, you know you two will be running this
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: place when I die someday and we're like dad, So
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: that's our episode.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Thank you again for doing it. What do we have
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: to plug before we get out? Of here Connor, how about.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: You nothing follow me on the inn at Connor mcspaden
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: Connor with two ends two O S M C S
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: B A D D E n Olivia.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: How about it?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: Nothing is also zero to plug.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: I guess I have nothing to plug. I was. I
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: was on the season I was on the season three
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: finale of History's Greatest Mysteries.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: Go hey, oh that's a real plug, big talking head
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: over here.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: Thailand all murders and am I was really happy with
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: how it came out. Awesome that I didn't get to
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: wear a hat. So you're ready to see the.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: Thailand all like the name of a gangster or a
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: rapper or something like you had a nickname or.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: I remember they put like someone the tailan all, yeah,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: someone puts cyanide. That's why all of the stuff we
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: have that has safety seals on it, That's why. That's
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: why we have safety seals. Now is this went around.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: Fucking ruined Halloween ween too after nine to eleven and
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: made our parents check for raizy blade. So it took
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: forty five minutes to have a peanut butter cup.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's post nyl. I feel like that's
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: been going on for a while.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: No, the Chicago murders are absolutely why the Halloween candy
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: stuff started to Yeah, someone just went around the Chicago
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: area putting cyanide.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's insane. I've never heard any.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, putting the bottles right back on the shelves, and
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: it caused like a huge panic.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean it also killed It also killed people.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing. They think Ted Kazinski might have been.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: He's one of the suspects. They never they never caught the.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: Guy, They never gout him.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: Said, Ted is a compelling case for it. But that
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: watched the episode.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: It seem like such a levelheaded guy.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: Right, all right, let's get the fuck out of here.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: Olivia say goodbye bye, Connor say goodbye, goodbye, goodbye everybody,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: We love you.