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INTERVIEW: Tiffany Cross, Angela Rye & Andrew Gillum On Truth Liberation, Native Land Podcast + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody in is dj n V Charlamagne the Guy. We
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  Speaker 2: all the Breakfast Club and we got some special guests.
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  Speaker 3: In the belloty.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed we have Angela Rye all right to a cross,
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  Speaker 2: Andrew Gillen, Welcome, what's up everybody?
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  Speaker 3: Happy New Year? How you feeling the Internet caused him?
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  Speaker 3: Destiny fulfilled? Now we're death Throat.
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  Speaker 4: Did you hear that it's giving death Throat?
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I appreciate that because of their plumbing pictures.
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  Speaker 3: For what they're here to talk about their new podcast,
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  Speaker 3: native Land Native Land Podcast?
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  Speaker 2: Well, how did you three get together? They decide to
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  Speaker 2: do this podcast.
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  Speaker 5: Long before the podcast. Actually, we've all known each other.
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  Speaker 5: Angela and I've known Angela almost my whole adult life.
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  Speaker 5: I think we met when I was like twenty three,
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  Speaker 5: twenty four, right when we both moved to DC. Angela
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  Speaker 5: and Andrew already knew each other. And Andrew and I met.
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  Speaker 6: Through the years CBC mostly yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: But you're also like in DC a lot doing things,
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  Speaker 5: and so it was really organic the way our friendship
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  Speaker 5: came together. And Angela had this vision of doing the
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  Speaker 5: podcast and reached out to both of us. And when
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  Speaker 5: Angela calls, my sister calls always say yes.
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  Speaker 6: So what was your vision?
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  Speaker 1: He said?
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  Speaker 3: Everybody has a different perspective of how they met. How
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  Speaker 3: do y'all meet Angela? And yeah, I'm saying Angela's story
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  Speaker 3: probably different.
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  Speaker 1: We don't remember.
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  Speaker 6: I don't remember.
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  Speaker 7: I don't remember how I met.
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  Speaker 4: If I can say that there are the two of
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  Speaker 4: my oldest and longest friends in d C.
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  Speaker 7: When I moved to d C.
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  Speaker 4: The two people that I associate with d C have
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  Speaker 4: Ohio connections, and that's Tiffany Crossing, Stephanie Brown James.
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  Speaker 7: So I don't remember.
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  Speaker 4: With Andrew, I think the funny story is his best
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  Speaker 4: friend is my ex boyfriend.
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  Speaker 7: So but somehow, but.
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  Speaker 4: But somehow, but somehow I kept him and let the
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  Speaker 4: other would go. Everybody comfortable family him and him and
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  Speaker 4: r J his lovely bride and his kids now are
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  Speaker 4: like my niece, my niece and nephews.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, what about you.
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  Speaker 1: Ag I met?
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  Speaker 8: Well, of course I heard about Angela through my best friend.
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  Speaker 8: Shout out to Chris uh Daddy rest in peace. And
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  Speaker 8: Angela was the person I mean, honestly, if I if
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  Speaker 8: you asked me, then if we would ever be working together,
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  Speaker 8: it would have been like a hard stop no because
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  Speaker 8: both a type. She really didn't ask what you wanted.
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  Speaker 8: You should have directed everything to tell you Chris needed
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  Speaker 8: to be directed. But so that worked for them, But
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  Speaker 8: I didn't feel like but we we had an instant
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  Speaker 8: I mean it's instant met love and respect for this
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  Speaker 8: sister who was I mean leveling your biggest beast in
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  Speaker 8: the room.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't matter.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 8: And to see Angela change the culture for young professionals
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  Speaker 8: in d C during her time there. Her legacy lives
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  Speaker 8: on with other young Dane has live, but they lives
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  Speaker 8: on through those who will continue her work and to
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  Speaker 8: come to this podcast. I think what is particularly special
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  Speaker 8: is not just the long standing relationship that we have.
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  Speaker 1: With each other.
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  Speaker 8: It is that very few people want to enter your
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  Speaker 8: atmosphere when they think you are radioactive. Maybe you're radioactive cooling,
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  Speaker 8: maybe you've gotten through, but it is.
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  Speaker 1: Very hard to find the first.
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  Speaker 8: Person, the first entity, the first whatever to enter that phray.
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  Speaker 8: And what makes Angela's invitation I think to me and
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  Speaker 8: I imagine if you may feel in some ways the same,
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  Speaker 8: is that all the hardships had somehow reached alchemy that
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  Speaker 8: you could turn what was what you thought was bad
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  Speaker 8: horrific that you're still mourning and grieving and triggered by
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  Speaker 8: you have to be thankful for it all. It got
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  Speaker 8: us to this point where I think we can affect
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  Speaker 8: lives by helping to change and expand pupiple's perspective about
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  Speaker 8: the power they have, how they use it to achieve
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  Speaker 8: a meaningful political and which for me ultimately is our liberation,
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  Speaker 8: our true freedom, where we get to move how we
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  Speaker 8: want to move, not how it's been determined we should
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  Speaker 8: do in order to reach quote unquote levels of success.
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  Speaker 3: With that said, who determines if you're radioactive? Though? Because
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of times we might care more
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  Speaker 3: than other people do, Like.
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  Speaker 6: It might just be you know, society at large. I
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  Speaker 6: think social media can be harsh them.
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  Speaker 1: I agree this morning.
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  Speaker 2: But she's right because the social media creates the noise y.
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  Speaker 5: And sometimes it can penetrate lazy journalism and drive how
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  Speaker 5: newsrooms treat you and how they speak.
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  Speaker 6: So and sometimes it like they say, be your own people.
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  Speaker 6: You know, sometimes people who you.
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  Speaker 5: Thought were your friend were not at that time. And
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  Speaker 5: in the time of fire, I would say, when my
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  Speaker 5: show got canceled unexpectedly, Charlottne you remember that time period.
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  Speaker 2: Instead of chelamone much.
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  Speaker 5: It was not Charlemagne's fault at all, for the record,
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  Speaker 5: but you could not reach me, like you literally had
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  Speaker 5: to go through Angela to get to me. Like Angela,
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  Speaker 5: get on a plane, come to Atlanta, and we were
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  Speaker 5: like together non stop. And you know, you notice who's
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  Speaker 5: slow to return your phone calls because they're playing the
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  Speaker 5: power game. And you know, would rather align with like
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  Speaker 5: feckless leaders who uphold white supremacy instead of people who
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  Speaker 5: never came to you in crisis.
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  Speaker 6: But we're always with you in sisterhood.
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  Speaker 5: And so I think you have three people here who
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  Speaker 5: have been consistent in that way. And it takes a
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  Speaker 5: special person, like Andrew said, to stand with you in
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  Speaker 5: the fire. But Andrew, I want Andrew to say the
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  Speaker 5: advice he gave because I can be a petty bitch,
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  Speaker 5: you know, And it's like I don't stuck with that
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  Speaker 5: person anymore. And Andrew has a really great point that
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  Speaker 5: he makes about expecting, like acceptance and expecting and it's
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  Speaker 5: like you are expecting I'm gonna mess it up but
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  Speaker 5: you are expecting a hyena to act like a lion
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  Speaker 5: when they've always been a hyaen.
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  Speaker 6: So you just setting yourself up for disappointment.
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  Speaker 8: No, I mean, I so the point about I think
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  Speaker 8: tried through the fire. You know, the phoenix keeps coming
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  Speaker 8: to mind of going through something and then trying to emerge.
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  Speaker 8: I think to your earlier question of who decides when
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  Speaker 8: you're radioactive, you know that phoenix rising is much more
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  Speaker 8: emblematic and representative of what the everyday lived experiences are
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  Speaker 8: of the people whose voices really do matter. They are
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  Speaker 8: the majority, they're silent in so many ways. But this
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  Speaker 8: whole flash point, you know, highlight real society we've become
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  Speaker 8: and when inappropriately applied, canceling of folks because not of
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  Speaker 8: a I mean anything real legitimate is because I disagree
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  Speaker 8: with your position. And we have founders who represented people
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  Speaker 8: who well, the Boston Tea Party, you know, insurrection against
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  Speaker 8: the US government in a real way, who were represented
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  Speaker 8: by what would become a president of the United States. Right,
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  Speaker 8: So you defended those people, and there's something wrong with
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  Speaker 8: where we are.
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  Speaker 1: Tiffany, I'm so sorry I got off the track.
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  Speaker 8: But the point I was trying to make was going
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  Speaker 8: through these kinds of things, me the trial, everything that
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  Speaker 8: happened post my run for governor of Florida. I had
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  Speaker 8: assumed that people who benefited financially personally, who got their
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  Speaker 8: jobs are holding those jobs in those advances because of
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  Speaker 8: doing as you were opened, because you refused to do
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  Speaker 8: business with people who did not hire employee, respect the
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  Speaker 8: diversity of our community whose dollars were actually spending. And
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  Speaker 8: I thought, because of my presence for them, forget what
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  Speaker 8: it meant to lead and represent it as a mayor
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  Speaker 8: and run for governor and earn those votes and so
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  Speaker 8: on and so forth. But commission who in a cmuson
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  Speaker 8: couldn't they were aloof disappeared Vaymouth.
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  Speaker 3: You couldn't have thought they were your real friend though?
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  Speaker 8: No, No, I absolutely thought that these were people who
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  Speaker 8: were in These were people who I could go into
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  Speaker 8: a bunker with, and I think all of us would
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  Speaker 8: have you if you pull back the layers. I'm not
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  Speaker 8: sure how why do you go with all your circle
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  Speaker 8: and whether you call.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody a friend.
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  Speaker 8: But these are people had put on a friend list
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  Speaker 8: after scrutiny, and expect that they're going to be there
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  Speaker 8: for me not because I read something in the newspaper
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  Speaker 8: and I'm just finding his heart. No, it's because the
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  Speaker 8: person I know wouldn't do what you're suggesting, Praise God,
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  Speaker 8: and I'm standing with him in the gap until somebody
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  Speaker 8: proves me otherwise, it proves me different. And even after that,
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  Speaker 8: I have grace when none of that shows up. Lonely, angry, mad.
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  Speaker 1: And all that stuff.
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  Speaker 8: You know, it's for the birds. I'm just so thankful
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  Speaker 8: God revealed for me people in my life who would
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  Speaker 8: say and hold me and say, you know, you were
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  Speaker 8: expecting those folks to show up as you would, and
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  Speaker 8: I understand how that happens. But their reaction was simply
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  Speaker 8: them doing what they knew how to do.
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  Speaker 1: It was their default.
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  Speaker 8: They didn't know that perform differently. They didn't know to
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  Speaker 8: organize our friends to hold a press conference and call
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  Speaker 8: for this, that and the other.
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  Speaker 1: What they did was they.
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  Speaker 8: Retreated their safety and security because if they can take
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  Speaker 8: this dube down, then what what about me?
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  Speaker 5: And as the intention of it, that is the intention
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  Speaker 5: of it. Don't be too bold, don't be too real,
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  Speaker 5: don't speak too honest. A truth we have to present,
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  Speaker 5: like if these negresses get too out of hand. We
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  Speaker 5: are going to castrate you on some level. I think
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  Speaker 5: that happens all the time, right, it is important to
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  Speaker 5: show like, hey, I'm still here, I ain't never gone nowhere.
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  Speaker 5: We are all still here, We're all still standing. And
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  Speaker 5: even if like the faces look different, right, but it
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  Speaker 5: still represents the same thing. So it is, I would say, Andrew,
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  Speaker 5: and for all of us who have ever found ourselves
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  Speaker 5: in the public eye in a negative way to the
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  Speaker 5: mass consumers out there, don't do the conservative white man's
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  Speaker 5: bidding for him. Stop spreading bullshit on the internet. Stop
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  Speaker 5: spreading salacious things on the internet to get likes, stop
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  Speaker 5: spreading lots.
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  Speaker 6: Like they expect you to do that.
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  Speaker 5: We're gonna spong feed this to you because we know
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  Speaker 5: that you will be the person to carry this to
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  Speaker 5: the community, whether it be right wing talking points or
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  Speaker 5: an effort to take out one of your leaders.
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  Speaker 2: But what you said earlier is lazy journalism and in
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  Speaker 2: the fact that people don't want to actually read, they
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  Speaker 2: chase headlines and clicks. And I was gonna ask, does
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  Speaker 2: it bother you that it's a lot of times in
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  Speaker 2: both your situations in Angela as well, where it's the
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  Speaker 2: people that look like you that's attacking you more.
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  Speaker 5: It is a problem. That is a problem. Part of
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  Speaker 5: it is I think social media, which just erodes intellect
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  Speaker 5: in a lot of ways. Read a paper and stop
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  Speaker 5: scrolling through Instagram looking at nonsense. But also even as
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  Speaker 5: it impacts lazy journalism, look, the oppressor does not have
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  Speaker 5: to look like them. Sometimes the oppressor looks like you.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes they select I'm gonna pick you the overseer because
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  Speaker 5: I know you are a weak one who can be
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  Speaker 5: bought and sold, and I know I can send you
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  Speaker 5: out to the path to keep all the other negroes
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  Speaker 5: and negresses in check. And you have to look at yourself,
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  Speaker 5: like what side if history steps back and judge me,
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  Speaker 5: what side am I on? And look, if you look
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  Speaker 5: at history, there's always been that Like Martin Luther King
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  Speaker 5: was not celebrated his entire life. He was considered a troublemaker,
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  Speaker 5: like we don't want you around here, massive feed us good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: we happy. So there's always been those people. Don't be
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  Speaker 5: that person.
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  Speaker 3: I want to say this, it's coming from a place
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  Speaker 3: of love. You know, I gotta love for you, Andrew.
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  Speaker 3: But I know people are watching this and they're gonna say, well, Andrew,
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  Speaker 3: don't put that on us like you put yourself in
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  Speaker 3: a situation. What would you say to those.
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  Speaker 8: People, Well, I'm not sure that there's been lots of situations.
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  Speaker 1: You're talking about, But if we if if.
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  Speaker 8: If Miami were the example, I would I would understand
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  Speaker 8: how someone could be hurt. Now, you can't be more
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  Speaker 8: hurt than me.
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  Speaker 3: Or absolutely right, you can be more hanging.
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  Speaker 8: More disappointing, or let down more whatever, then than me.
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  Speaker 8: You don't need to evoke my wife or my children
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  Speaker 8: as a way to help me get to that emotion. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: it's it's not an appendage. It runs through my blood.
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  Speaker 8: What I would say, if I were telling the truth
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  Speaker 8: about the situation, I would I would compare it to
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  Speaker 8: you deciding that you want to go out to a
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  Speaker 8: club for whatever reason, for giving your motivation, and but
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  Speaker 8: the main motivation was you want to have a good time.
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  Speaker 8: You wanted to be seen enjoy yourself for whatever opportunity
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  Speaker 8: you could. And when you were there, someone slipped your
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  Speaker 8: drink or coelude, and every everything from the point of
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  Speaker 8: your having had that drink to waking up the next
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  Speaker 8: day is a mystery to you. If we were of
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  Speaker 8: different genders, we might talk about this even more differently.
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  Speaker 8: But I made a choice to go somewhere at five
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  Speaker 8: o'clock in the afternoon with the expectation of leave it
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  Speaker 8: in thirty minutes, and after my drink, I don't have
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  Speaker 8: a memory for six hours. And every picture, every video,
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  Speaker 8: everything we've collected since that was taken of me shows
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  Speaker 8: me for the duration of that time, lifeless looking or
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  Speaker 8: with no ability to give consent, approval or anything else.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 8: Put myself in that situation. Yes, we all make choices.
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  Speaker 8: I chose this gas station to get gas, and I
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  Speaker 8: know they sometimes shoot it up. I chose this highway
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  Speaker 8: express over this when thinking it would get me there quicker.
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  Speaker 8: So yes, we all make choices. But if you get
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  Speaker 8: an accident along the way, I'm not going to say
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  Speaker 8: that you want to go to the club. Something happened
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  Speaker 8: to you, whatever what it was, your fault, because you
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  Speaker 8: put yourself in the situation. What you put yourself in
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  Speaker 8: the situation to do was to enjoy yourself, have a
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  Speaker 8: good time to dance, And what resulted from that was
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  Speaker 8: something that looked very, very different. And I put it
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  Speaker 8: that way, Charlamagne, because I think we all have to
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  Speaker 8: start to consider the people living, making mistakes, thriving as
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  Speaker 8: relatable to our circumstances. You made a choice to go
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  Speaker 8: to a club, and I don't blame you for that.
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  Speaker 8: And if something happens at that club that did not
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  Speaker 8: have your permission, your awareness, your co creation, No, I'm
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  Speaker 8: not going to brate you for having made the decision
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  Speaker 8: to go dancing.
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  Speaker 3: Between that and your situation with the FBI, did you
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  Speaker 3: realize how targeted you were?
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  Speaker 8: I had a sense of it, but I knew my actions.
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  Speaker 4: I just want to say, we're here to promote this podcast,
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  Speaker 4: and you about to.
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  Speaker 7: Take all from the damn podcast.
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  Speaker 4: I'm literally ready to leave across this chair at you,
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: and on a positive note, because.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: The first three episodes of the podcast are all of
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  Speaker 3: y'all breaking down.
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  Speaker 4: Y'all, we're talking about our stories. But I want to
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  Speaker 4: say this too. We came in hot on black people
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  Speaker 4: being the overseer, but there are a lot of black
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  Speaker 4: people and people who don't look like us who are
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: celebrating this, the union, this partnership, this podcast, who can't
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  Speaker 4: wait to hear from you again, who can't wait to
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: hear from you again, And so I don't want to
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: come in like this isn't going to be something where
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: we're commiserating about the negativity and our experience. We are
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: so honored to have a platform to speak truth to
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  Speaker 4: to talk about our political circumstances, to talk about what
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  Speaker 4: is happening with a crumbling democracy, the fact that Republicans
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  Speaker 4: are taking this head on and are in all out war,
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  Speaker 4: and Democrats are saying the things.
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  Speaker 7: But not necessarily delivering the things on policy.
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  Speaker 4: We are eager to talk about these things in our
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  Speaker 4: stories and the intersection of all those things, because it's
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  Speaker 4: not by accident speaking of targets that folks up here
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  Speaker 4: were targeted tried to be silenced, but you cannot silence us.
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  Speaker 4: To Tiffany's point, we are still here and we will
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  Speaker 4: deliver for our fooks.
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  Speaker 7: And it's some of it out.
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  Speaker 2: The reason is because a lot of time envy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like a lot of times, like you said, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people would wouldn't want to stand next to maybe Andrew,
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  Speaker 2: or wouldn't stand next to Tiffany. But it's like you
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  Speaker 2: guys come together and people see something outside of that right,
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  Speaker 2: And I love that because I think we need to
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  Speaker 2: do that more sometimes I think we need to get
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  Speaker 2: to the truth and not just what a headline says
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  Speaker 2: and not just what lazy journalism. That's I go back
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  Speaker 2: to it because sometimes that lazy journalism affects your life
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  Speaker 2: and people, and people don't understand that that. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: might be, it might be a joke, it might be
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  Speaker 2: funny to some it might be ha ha ha ha ha.
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  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, people believe it
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  Speaker 2: and it affects, you know, what you might do next,
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  Speaker 2: and affects your lifestyle and how you take care of
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  Speaker 2: your kids, and how take you take care of your family.
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  Speaker 2: That's not funny. Now it takes how you, you know,
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  Speaker 2: take care of your family. That's not funny, and people
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  Speaker 2: think it's funny, but it really affects everything that you're doing.
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  Speaker 3: But now we can go out of that. So it's
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  Speaker 3: funny when we're joking amongst each other.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, we'll see Charlamagne thinks everything he has a laugh,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: he's gonna and Angela knows that.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: So that's how he processes his pain.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Think I think the best way to discuss trauma is
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: through the lens of humor. But if you said something
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: earlier that I think is a big problem when you
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: talk about lazy journalism. Why do people take social media
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: so serious? Like when you see situations that happen with
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: fishal TD. So I saw Oprah Winfrey this week responding
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: to things that kiktok. I'm like, why, Yeah, since when
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: did we start giving that, you know, credibility?
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: I mean again, it is.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: Ill equipped people running newsrooms. I mean you see this
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: time and again where you know, when you look at
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: when you break down the data of who is actually
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: on social media, it is less than ten percent of society.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: When you look at who actually uses social media, who's
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: actually the actively active engagers, it's less than five percent
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: of society. So this very small group of people gets
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: a very large megaphone. And you can be talentless, unintellectual,
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: have zero intellectual curiosity about anything, but you can have
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: a viral moment and be considered somebody to listen to.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: But on the flip side of that, because I do
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: want to say, because the mainstream media has so ignored
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: the rising majority of this country and created these you know,
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: thought processes about who black people are and what we do.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: Social media has also democized who has a voice in
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: this space, and so for that I applauded, because as
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: you continually ignore us, we will build and find our
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: own spaces that can have a damaging impact on democracy.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: We saw that in twenty sixteen, where if the only
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: time you were outraged about Sandra Bland, you know, being
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: dying in police custody, or you were outraised about Trayvon
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Martin getting shot, the only time you saw that outrage
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: was in an internet meme, then yes, I am likely
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: to go get my information from there, while the rest
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: of the media summarily dismisses me. When Russia looked at
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: that and they said, oh, I know how we can
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: sow discord in this country, think it took them twenty
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: seconds to say, oh, they treat black people fucked up.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: So let that be our entree into their election process,
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: and that's where we will drive a divide. What the
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: white run news media saw was rait Trump just won. Guys,
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: we didn't pay enough attention to the racist white people.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Let's make them the center of our story. After George Floyd,
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: I think we all understood that is a brief moment
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: in time. That is a marketing campaign, that is a
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: talking point, that is not an active commitment to liberation
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: and equality, and you see it time and again, we
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: see voices getting silenced across mainstream media and out Mehdi Hassan,
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: amazing journalists, just had his voice canceled because he dared
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: to acknowledge the humanity of the Palestinian people, and he
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: had his voice silence. Same leaders, when you have somebody
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: when we look at news all the time, we all
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: watch news all the time, and you look at people
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: any I already know the fact that you have a platform.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: At this time, I'm questioning, how real are you. I
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: got to give a shout out to Joy Reid, who
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: holds the line every day. The more that you watch
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: and support, the more unfuckiable we are. We don't always
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: have that category. And I want to say, envy, I
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: hear you. I gotta say the community stood with me.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: The community saw past every kind of ridiculous talking. I
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: never felt alone, I never felt abandoned, not only because
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: of my friends sitting here with me, but people I
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: ain't never met before gave a big fuck you to
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: a corporation that was intending to take me down. It
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: did not work. The community immediately saw they were sophisticated
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: enough to say, nah, like we know her, and we
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: know she you know, keeps it one hundred percent straight,
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: no chaser on her show. We rock with her and
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: it did not work. But this big, huge corporation still
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: gets to drive so much part of the conversation. And
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: I think you're gonna see that with the decentralization of media,
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: voices like ours coming and filling in the gap, just
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: like keep ignoring us and you let me just say
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: real quick, the average cable news viewer is between sixty
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: two and sixty five years old.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: White men.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: That is who they are catering to the news centers,
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: not just white people, conservative white people. So when they
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: talk about, ooh, how big the Iowa caucus is, how
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: big the New Hampshire caucus is, this is a population
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: that is ninety three and ninety four percent white, respectively.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: Like why have we centered this as the most important thing?
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: When they talk about voters from the heartland, voters from
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: the heartland, like why you gotta live in East bumblefuck
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: Alabama to be a voter from the heartland or real America?
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Like to me, real America go to the slots in Atlanta,
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Georgia after a basketball game. Let out, Those two are
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: real voters. Go to a wingstop in East Cleveland. Those
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: two are real voters. Go to Cracker Barrel in Birmingham,
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: Alabama after church let out. Those two are real voters.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: I dare say those are the descendants of the architect
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: of this country. But yet, when you look at social
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: media or I'm sorry, when you look at newsrooms and
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: news segments, you will see an audience, a panel of
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: four white folks, one obligatory black person. No dis to
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: revern now, but so often somebody thinks that we are
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: rever now. That's the black perspective right there. The devil
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: is a lie. That is not true, right.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: It's definitely not true on Native Lampow where there are
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: three black voys who will be talking about our issues
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: every week.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I just want to and Lardy gave me to look
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: like motherfucker.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like we can go in And I think the
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: main thing for us to know is this is radio.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: We want people to tune into the podcast. We want
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: them to do that every week. It's dropping every single Thursday.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Native Lamb Pie. Yeah, I'm going to tell you right now,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: you're going to like I've been talking for fifteen minutes.
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: But no, it was.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: There's a stanza in James Weldon Johnson's lift every voice
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: and sing true to our God, true to our native land.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: And I think that the conundrum that many of us
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: find ourselves in is we know that this isn't our
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: original birthplace, This isn't our origin story, so to speak.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: It is the continent, but a lot of us have
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: never been there. We have been fortunate to go, but
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: a lot of us haven't been there. But this has
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: become our native land. This has because we become our
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: home base, because our folks built this. I say, we
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: built this joint for free, and then moreover because of
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: the lack of safety that Tiff has referenced and that
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: Andrew's reference. We wanted at home base for our folks
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: to come to every single week. And so when we
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: say Native Lampid, we also say welcome home, y'all.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: That was gonna ask with the podcast, are you doing
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: the podcast live every week or is it going to
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: be pre taped so you're going to be talking about
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: what's going on in the world, especially to shit because
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: it's election.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, And just really quickly, the other point that Angela
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: referenced when coming up with this name is an homage
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: to the indigenous community. Yes, here we recognize that this
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: land was stolen and taking America wasn't found that on
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: peace and prosperity, as the fairy tale would have you believe.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: It was taken with blood and fury from the our
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: indigenous brothers and sisters. So we acknowledge them.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And well, are you gonna have guests as well?
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: No, this is a talk based show. As you can see,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: we can definitely hold our own. The hour will go
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: by very very fast.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Just want to come on the show.
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: I think right now we're no.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: I think that we may end up doing some specials,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: but clearly we got a lot to get off our chests.
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: And a lot to get off our chests, not just politically,
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: because I think we have to draw the distinction between
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: what you get with all the other corporate based, you know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: consumer based news. You heard us talk about our personal stories,
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: which I think we've back into a large societal set
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: of questions that we have to you know, have to
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: reckon with. I want to co sign that the support
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: that our guy from just regular black folks I didn't
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: even know, couldn't call their names, It was incredible so
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: social media also gives us the impression that we're the majority.
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: Tear you down when you know, overwhelmingly black folks and
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: lots of times without even knowing a detailed left or
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: right knows that something is amiss here and they're saying
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: you five dollars, you know, put some peppermints in your
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: jacket pocket when you pass. You know what, they would
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: do what they can to be there for you. And
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: so it's important that we start to trace some of
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: what has political implications back to our practices in society.
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: If we're tearing each other down, note that that's because
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: we are under a white hedgem and his system that
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: values you performing and showing up in society this way
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: every day, regardless of what you're doing the backframe when
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: everybody don't know, but this is how you're supposed to
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: show and when you step out of that blueprint and
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: something is a miss. Corporate America depends relies on reliability, predictability.
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: They need to know what you're going to do. That's
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: where their profit lies. And so we are a society
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: that in large part is the matrix we perform how
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: large interests expect us to and they spend billions trillions
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: making that the outcome.
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: I like where Andrew was going with that too, And
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: Tiff has brought this.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Up as well, that we we believe that politics are
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: everywhere like we're impacted by them, We are touched by them,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: whether folks want to touch it or not, and so
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: we absolutely plan on making those connections for folks on
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: the pot.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Well, would you say to people who will probably look
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: at you'all and say, well, this is just gonna be
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: another Democratic echo chamber.
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: I don't know why.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I vote Democrat most of the time,
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: but I am not a talking head for the party
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: at all. I think they make horrific decisions. I think
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: they summarily dismiss our community the same way a lot
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: of the cable news industry does. I think they fail
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: us at every point. I think this is part of
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: another narrative that some black folks have taken in and believed,
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: and that is, and a lot of white folks believe
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: it that black people are so loyal to the Democratic Party.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: That is not true. Black folks are loyal to ourselves
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: and the world benefits from it. Society benefits from what
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: we do. I understand the person's perspective who says, you know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: you want me to participate in this system that has
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: incarcerated my brother, poisoned my mother, keeps my kids in
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: a dilapidated school, and you're telling me by my participation
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: in this system, I'm going to somehow fix it, when
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: for decades my life has not changed. I understand that perspective.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: When we vote, we are not American enthusiasts trying to
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: uphold the white man's democracy. We are voting in favor
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: of harm reduction. That has nothing to do with loyalty
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: to a party. We are loyal to our people, and
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: by our people, I mean us as black folks, but
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: also the rising majority of this country, the Asian American,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: Pacific Islander community, the Indigenous community, the Latino community, because
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: this country hasn't been very polite or kind to any
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: of those communities, and so we're trying to be here
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: to advance a cause for the greater good, not for
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: any political party.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Would any of y'all have a vote for a conservative
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: like that that wasn't a Trump Conservative?
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: Conservative policies I think have been overwhelmingly harmful to black folks,
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: So I would I don't know. I don't know necessarily
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: get so caught up in time show democratic That's what
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: I was about to say, Like, there are conservative democrats,
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: So I think anybody who falls under the conservative umbrella
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: those policies are contrary to my survival into the health
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: of my community.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: So I don't think so, I think, And you know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: we talked about lazy journalism earlier, and this is no
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: insult to you, my dear brother, but I think that
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: what we often do is say we want to break
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: out of boxes, and then we try to find a
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: way to put people right back in those boxes.
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: I think here on this show, what we're going to.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Really try to do is break out of those constraints
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: and really talk about what it looks like to have
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: a black agenda. Thank god for Alicia Garza doing working
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: on the Black Census project that now gives us permission
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: to imagine what a world could look like that we
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: could live in and thrive in. I think the other
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: thing that's really important is I don't really want to
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: construct another Republican frankistigin. They tried that experiment and failed,
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: at least it failed us as Donald Trump right, Like,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: I don't want to build the ideal conservative.
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: For me, I don't know who that is.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I thinkitician, but that's what I'm saying. I to Tip's
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: point about harm reduction. So for me, I'm progressive. I
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: don't see myself in the White House. I don't see
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: myself for the most part, in Congress. There are several
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Congressional Black Caucus members who I think don't get the
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: attention and the respect they deserve because they represent my
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: best interests. I wish some of them would run for
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: higher office, and some of them haven't and couldn't get
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: there is.
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: Some of their I appreciate the point around best interests
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: because the truth is is that most these things benefit everybody.
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's put one of heather the most. When
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: we say people are out there advocating, legislating on our behalf,
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: it's largely to close a gap that should never have
• 30:12
  Speaker 8: existed in the first place, that exist in public policy society,
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: and it plays out every single day again on this
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: hamster wheel that we're bridging that but the benefit of
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: that idea, that policy, you can't tell me getting that
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: extra However, many hundreds of dollars per child during COVID
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: for childcare didn't mean something to white folks, black folks,
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: brown folks, and everything in between. The problem is is
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: that we've got folks who are putting lots of money
• 30:41
  Speaker 8: into making sure that all we know are our differences.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: You can't tell me my state is uber Republican when
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: we had a race in eighteen that came down too
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: point four percent difference. Now I am nowhere near a
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: conservative title. Joe Biden is much more that than I.
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: Him and Ye had a five or six point difference
• 31:02
  Speaker 8: in the less democratic nominee you know, love them, but
• 31:05
  Speaker 8: a twenty point gap, and so did thou Demings. Right,
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: So what the hell are white people prepared to hear
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: from us? And in what way do they need to
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: hear it that doesn't betray our agenda, it furthers it,
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: but allows them to see themselves in the process, because
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: I think that's what we had to do to close
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: that divide. And unfortunately, black voters are the most sophisticated
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: voters that exist, period, And we are going to exclamation
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: mark that point on the program. Well, well, let's use
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: Obama as an example. We thought he spoke well, We
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: thought that he was well groomed and well prepared and
• 31:39
  Speaker 8: everybody was in love with Michelle Obama.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: But we we didn't be well spoken and we roomed.
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: I'm putting it in a in a frame that I
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: think most people recognize our societal attributes. When you're considering
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: somebody to be president of the United States, he couldn't
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: be no black brother, brown brother like me or Warnock
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: from the South.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Uh voted for.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Voter because him down that was sophisticated as voted in.
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: But I will tell you, am you you our age range.
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: We carried him when our grandparents and parents didn't believe. Now,
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: when black folks saw that white folks in Iowa and
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: New Hampshire were willing to go there for him, then
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: it changed our perception of what was possible. But black folks, unfortunately,
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: but it is created in us a gift, have always
• 32:27
  Speaker 8: had to consider how white people will vote when considering
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: whether we could get behind that candidate put money there
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: organized for that person, because if it can't, if it
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: ain't real. As pragmatic people, we're not going there. By
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: and large, we supports you, hallelujah, Da da da, but
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: society by large isn't supporting you. So when we saw that,
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: did we rally or did we rally? There was no
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: turning back. After New Hampshire and then South Carolina, there
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: was no it changed. The winds in South Carolina was
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: different a.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Week before in South Carolina. So I'm saying it was
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: a lot of He won a lot of cultural wars.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: My cultural wars I think framed a whole long time.
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: Black folks were solidly in the Clinton camp. If you remember.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Talking about inside political people, I'm talking about people just
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: don't talking.
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: About and my mother who were committed to voting for
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: Hillary clon first time I ever voted with Brock a
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: ball period, and millions of others.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to tell you. That President Obama
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: energized the whole group of people who never even considered.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: That's literally what I think Andrew's point was there was
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: young people first who carried him and made it feel
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: like that was even possible. Older black folks were like this,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: and it wasn't not just political folk.
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: And it wasn't because they were hating. They for us,
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: but they were scared.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: To make it.
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: To your point of sophisticated, why are we because we
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: consider the performance of everyone else, bake get into the
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: formula before we go in and make decisions about ourselves.
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: That the privilege that we're going to talk about liberation,
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: because liberation is that I get to decide regardless of
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: how it impacts. I am going in here and I've
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: got a frame, and my freedom requires that I vote
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: for this thing that's going to lead to more of that.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Take it from your podcast, all the stuff you.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Don't notice.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: But lost the share aspect too, because there was a
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: lot of people who would say, no, I don't want
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Obama to run because he'll get killed. I remember when
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: he won the election, people thought he was going to
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: get on stage. I remember when they had the parade
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: after he got sworn in and he got off the car.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: People was like, no, no, yeah, I was one of them.
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: Why because we have lived alongside these homicidal maniacs for
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: four hundred plus years, and we have seen firsthand what
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: white violence can do in this country. And I think
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: Andrew's point was we are sophisticated because we don't have
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: the privilege to say to cherry pick values and political
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: standpoints and say until I find this specific person, I'm
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: going to reserve my vote. I hear so many whit
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: women with that attitude. A lot of the Bernie folks
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: I think had that attitude where it's like this this
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: specific set.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: Of things I'm waiting for, and if I don't.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: I have the privilege to sit it out. I have
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: the privilege to criticize. I have the privilege to cross
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: a political divide and vote Republican.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: We don't have that. We don't have that, we have
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: to sophisticated.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I don't feel we're sophisticated because we know where our
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: vote is going.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's true because you know why, Because
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: black people they're just like everybody else, every other constituency.
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: Black folks have the option to abstain. I hope people
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: don't choose that.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: But the conversation, I think this is where the news
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: media gets it wrong as well. The conversation is not
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of focus on black voters when it
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: comes to how we fail when we don't show up.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: So now the conversation is, oh, Biden, in all his
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: trouble with black voters, no talk about white folks who
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: are actively supporting and excited to support an insurrection as president.
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: Talk about white folks who are happy to celebrate a
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: man who is has unteemed indictments, and three baby mamas
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: talk about white folks excitement about somebody who put over
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: two hundred white conservative judges to lifetime appointments who were
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: completely ineps in law. Some of these people have never
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: been judges before. Those are the folks who are a
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: danger to democracy, not black folks. After being frustrated in
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: this process for so long, and I don't.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Hear us being called dangerous, I do hear the point
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: about sophistication, and I think it goes back to pigeonholing
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: us into believing that we are not capable of having
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: a nuanced conversation.
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: Right, I think that we.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Don't have a nuanced vote.
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: We have a nuanced vote every time we vote, but
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: black people are doing, are deciding, and and.
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: I'll stop because I need we can say.
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: That simply because the majority of a vote goes one
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: way that is in lockstep. Couldn't it be that we
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: liked the some of those checks too, and we knew
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: that the other party is against them. And so even
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: though I can't get everything I want, this gets me
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: marginally closer to the things that meet my knee.
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: And that's not my point.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: I support that, but I think what I'm saying is
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: it is unfortunate. When you go to the ballot box,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: you are literally in a box, right, You have to
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: make a decision. There's no nuance between checking between this
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: person and that person. It doesn't mean that the road
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: you traveled to get there was not difficult, was not excruciating.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: The things that I'm hearing my dad say about what
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: is going to mean for him to vote for Joe
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: Biden this time? It's hard, you know, Like there are
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: people who I love dearly who have said not and
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: they didn't say this in twenty twenty, but like this
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: one is going.
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: To be tough because I don't feel represented.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Why, like why would I get out and vote and
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: not sit on the couch? Right, That's what a lot
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: of people are saying. Why would I go vote for bid?
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Or they're saying I haven't heard why wouldn't I sit
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: on the couch? I have heard I wish somebody else
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: was running.
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: I have heard that. I've heard it a lot more.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: It is scaring me, right, And what I hope comes
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: out of this not just for us for the conversations,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: We'll have a native lamppod. But I hope what comes
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: out of this is a push from the administration to
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: do some things, to meet people where they are, meet
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: them in their sacrifice.
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: People showed up through a.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Pandemic for this administration, show up for these folks. You
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: know it's I'm tired of having the conversation about the
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Democratic Party takes black voters for granted.
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: We know what are you going to do about it?
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: Chairman Jamie Harrison. I know you. I know that you
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: know the sacrifice.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: I know what you're up against with all those white
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: consultants that ain't moved over there.
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: We got your back, so have hours. Right.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: I think that it's time for us to really have
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: that conversation more publicly. We've had it quietly because a
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: lot of our friends work in there. We want to
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: give our we want to embolden our friends, empower our friends.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: But now we're at a point where our family members,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: our friends are talking about this more publicly and they
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: deserve to be held to.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Accuse you'll attack y'all when y'all speak out against the
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: President Biden. Well, look, I do date this for some
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: real plantation. Don't you talk about mathilistic?
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: But Leonardi might not just be plantation mentality. Some of
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: it is feared.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: I was so I watched him.
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: I gotta check this time that there was legislature there.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: You can't be mad at people who feel like that
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: about Trump when you.
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: Check.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I thought he was not just the stimulus.
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: I'm saying the agenda. If y'all, if you have kids
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: and you were paying for daycare and you saw that
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: that subsidy doubled on your taxes, that it went to
• 39:35
  Speaker 8: a three month every three month dispersement. Things have happened
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: as a result of this man being in office that
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: has improved.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Our quality of life.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: How do you message what?
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: What?
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: You got to remind people and they have to stay
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: in the fight for it. What happened mentioned and Cinema said,
• 39:52
  Speaker 8: we're not going back there, and that was all she wrote.
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: Two Democrats said was stepping back in the Senate and
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: that was all she wrote. But I will tell you
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: this much, if Biden, we're running off of his agenda.
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: And by the way, I firmly believe these things ought
• 40:06
  Speaker 8: to exist in society anyway, because we don't pay people
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: enough to deal with the hell we deal with to
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: catch our breath from day to day. We are Native Land.
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: Podcast is going to be transformational because I think it's
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: going to remind us of our power. And yes, elections
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: have names on the ballot of people we don't like,
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: think too old, might die, Da da dadada. But it
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: is unfortunately the system that we are operating within, and
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: until we can coerce that system to looking more like
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: the one that we believe we deserve. You don't walk
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: off the field. You stay on the field, because there
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: are consequences to walking.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Off the field.
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: Trump said, I know who's getting most impacted by this coronavirus,
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: and it's mostly older, sicker, and people of color. I
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: knew right then and that press conference that he didn't
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: care a lick about the coronavirus because the people who
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: were at the intersection of the greatest impact didn't look
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: like him here and care about and so on and
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: so forth. So we if we if we just check
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: out because we're not getting everything, at least tell me
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: you're checking out from Joe Biden, because on the other
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: side of the agenda, you're getting more than what you're
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: getting on this side. Not one promise, not almost send
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: a check to your business. But I am going to
• 41:25
  Speaker 8: produce public policy that leads to your greater freedom, your
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: ability to move the way you want to move, because
• 41:31
  Speaker 8: those rights are inalienable.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: But to switch over, I may have an unpopular take here,
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: so I may lose my a man corner. But there
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: is a saying in politics that you can never blame
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: the voter. I am gonna blame the voter a little
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: bit because I feel like society at large is so
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: caught up again in bulshit, and so there are many
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: things that the Biden administration has done that people benefit from.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: I think one, there's a lack of understanding and civics
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: in this country across every socioeconomic status, across every racial divide.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: People don't underst the difference between state, federal, and local government,
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: and so sometimes people ascribe blame where there should be
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: none to the federal government too. We have to take
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: responsibility as citizens of this country. It is our job
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: to know when elections are happening, what's on the ballot,
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: who's on the ballot, why these things matter. So maybe
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: just maybe instead of scrolling through Instagram looking at nonsense
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: for three fucking hours, maybe pick up a paper or
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: maybe Google, maybe say what has Biden done for Black America.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: That's a question you have asked that. That's a fair
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: question you should be asking it. I encourage that kind
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: of curiosity.
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: Ask it. Maybe you will be surprised.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: You can call up your member of Congress and say, hey,
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: I got fifty friends at my house and we want
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: to hear what you're doing for us. That member of
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: Congress just might show up. Maybe show up to the
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: school board meeting where your kids are in school, where
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: they're taking their rewriting history. They're banning books in this
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: country right now. Maybe participate in that. At the bare minimum,
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: you can read something. At most, you can go up
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: and show and show up someplace and ask a question.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: You can host something, you can be a voice. You
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: can write a check to a candidate, you can run
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: for office. But these things do require some participation from us,
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: not us sitting around whining about, well, I don't know
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: what he did. When you have this in your hand
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: every five minutes and it's full of information, you can
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: find a reliable source from the White House website itself,
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: to newspapers, et cetera, and be informed.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: I agree with you. I just think we're intellectually dishonest
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: about a lot of this stuff based on what party
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: we like, because we'll say things like, oh, people don't
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: know civics. But then if you mentioned Barack Obama, you'll
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: say Obama gave you health care, right, But if you
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: say Trump gave Stimie, you're like, no, Trump didn't give
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: the Stimmies, Congress voting for it them. You say Trump
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: did the FIRS step back. Trump didn't do the first
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: step back. Congress did for it. See a little intellectually dishonest.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Everybody is based on what party.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's what you deal on all sides. Yeah, right,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: absolutely right, As.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: You said, google what Biden did? So you want to
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: you whatever he did pass Trump did?
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: She was saying to the question, because people did does
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: come up?
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: I mean even in some of the questions in the
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: commons where I was like, what do you guys want
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: us to address on the podcast, one of them was
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: what did Biden do for black people versus the g
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: O P now, because he can't make a speech from yesterday, no,
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: that from the Trouston speech, because he had whole lists
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: of stuff in the pulpit and Mother Emmanuel of what
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: he believes he did for like on the.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Things he didn't get done, the first thing we'll say
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: is was because Congress wouldn't allow him to he had
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: gotten them done, y'all, Like, look what Biden did. That's
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: why I said, it's a little be.
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: Careful about y'all.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Right, we have this fight all the time, even on
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: our phone calls, like I don't like to be y'all
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: to me, like, shut up, that's true what y'all were
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: on and we on the fourth y'all.
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: That's definitely where I'm at. But I guess the point
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: is say again, yeah, that's what she said.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: But no, I think at the end of the day,
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: it is true that we will assign blame to people
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: that some times don't deserve it when there is a
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: whole process to tips point on civics, and we will
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: reward someone who we need them to win, you know.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: And I think that again, going back to the reason
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: we're here today, Native Lampod every Thursday, we're gonna be
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: honest about processes. We want our folks to be smarter.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: We want folks to hold us to account. We say
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: something wrong, tell us we want to get it right,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: and it's not to be right. It's because we want
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: to be better, we want to be free, We want
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: to walk in.
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: Our true liberation.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: If we can get our folks one step closer to that,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: that's what we want to do.
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: Everything as long as we give them a shout out
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: right now, because black people, ever since we've been able
• 45:35
  Speaker 8: to participate in elections and before, have been holding this
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: country and pushing this country closer to its true vision
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: of an American dream and it's principles upon which it's built,
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: enshrined in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: reiterated throughout. It's been black voters who have consistently showed
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: up to hold America to the fire of the promise
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: that we weren't even designed in from its beginning. The
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: words were there, the actions weren't, and black folks would
• 46:09
  Speaker 8: be the reinforces and the accountability agents to make the
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: words mean.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Something that's right. Native Lamp Podcast. It starts January Thursday,
• 46:17
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