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S3 E28: Kneeling The Process Away · Nickel City Crew Podcast

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Fifteen de crazy. You can see you breath out in the lake effect,
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bacon tables and guitartry. Wherese would you have to be? And do ron
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Elvis in the lay Panchow remembers that you need to know. I want you
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out here now, your family? Where's would you have to be? Where
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else would you? Welcome into the nicol City Crew. I am your host,
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Rob Crippen. Please like us on Facebook and follow us on Instagram and
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Twitter at Nickel City Crew. This episode, along with all of our episodes,
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are presented by Crippen Legacy Entertainment here on Spreaker and stream Yard. We're
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so glad that you're joining us for some of your Buffalo bills and NFL content
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again today and as always, these are my bills. Thoughts set out loud,
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it vibe so ridiculous. Tything was six the show I can Where's would
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you like to be? All right, let's get straight to it. I'm
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really excited for tonight's episode for all of the wrong reasons. It's it's funny.
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I was talking with my my co host pre show, and you know
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the point of this entire podcast from the beginning. I started right before Perfection
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in the park. It was a labor of love for me. I have
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always been in the broadcasting. Stuart Scott was my was like my like my
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hero growing up, like my sports hero growing up, and I just loved
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all of it. I did little games at Star Point and it introduced the
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lineups for the volleyball games of the basketball game and the football games and stuff
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like that. And I've always just been into this kind of realm. Obviously,
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life comes into play and you may get a chance to pursue some of
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your passions, but this is really one of them. And I love the
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fact that you know podcasts and the way that this whole kind of genre has
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boomed that it gives me an opportunity to have this platform. I would be
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remissed if I wasn't on brand. I would be remissed if I had this
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type of platform and didn't be myself because the actual moniker of the show is
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exactly what it is. It's my bills thoughts set out loud. I would
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always talk to myself about the Buffalo Bills. I've said that many times,
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and it's funny because when I was talking with my co host pre shows,
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like I mean, I've been ostracized for some of the McDermot takes that I've
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had throughout you know, the years, I've been you know, mocked.
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I've had people make fun of me. What other case may be. But
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one thing that I do know to be sure is that I am dedicated.
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I am invested in the Buffalo Bills as a season ticket holder. Now that's
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a choice, it's an option. We've talked about that in previous episodes.
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Nobody's put a gun to my head and made me support the Buffalo Bills financially.
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But I've chosen to moved down to Charlotte in two thousand and six,
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right after the ice storm in October, and then by two thousand and nine
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I was a season ticket holder. You guys can go back to the original
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intro episode and listen to some of my Bills upbringing and why I'm so rabbit
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and why I care so much about the team. I told you guys,
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I told Nicola City Crew, I told Bill's Mafia about about Sean McDermott.
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I really did. And it's not a situation tonight that I'm looking to dance
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on graves and be right, because quite frankly, I don't want to be
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right. Quite frankly, this is a situation where I feel real sad about
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tonight's episode in that respect because of the fact that I just want the Bills
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to win a Super Bowl. I was five, six, seven and eight
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for the Super Bowl run. I was crushed. I was a kid,
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and it really again those ninety nineties, excuse me, Bills. It spawned
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my fandom. I'm a Rabbit Bills fan because of Jim Kelly and Bruce Smith
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and Thurman Thomas and Andre Reid and all of the guy can name you all
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of the line ups from all of the Super Bowl years. I can name
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you every single starter, even all the way down to Ray Bentley, who
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I went to high school with his son. So it's personal to me.
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The Bills are personal to me. Joining me tonight to help me unpack tonight's
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episode. MI co host Adam dump Truck Repsick please follow him on Instagram at
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Adam Ropsick. Are you p c is E y K? How had the
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crew? DT? Holland at the crew? How at the crew? We
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gotta we gotta go through it, man, I mean, what's up?
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Man? I paid? I paid the lady at the desk again. I
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paid her my bills, mocking your card went through. My healthcare card went
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through, and she said, mister repsick will see you in a minute.
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So so dump truck. Howl at me. Man, I'm sitting on the
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count. Wait monment, Well, what's up? What's up? Rob?
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Another another night here and we're we're rolling through these episodes, deep in the
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deep into this season and it is fun, Like you said, everything,
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everything aside of you know what we're gonna get into tonight, because what we
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get into tonight is going to be fun, and everybody knows that. But
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you know the aspect of being here with you and kind of living out the
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same broadcasting dream and you know, for the most part, just this therapy
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and you know, our bill SATs set out loud and getting it out there,
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and you know we're right in it. We're right in mind, I
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think with what majority of the Mafia and the crew is sinking and saying,
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Now, it wasn't always that way, Like you said, we were kind
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of in the minority when it came to being critical from the Germott and this
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team. And you know, when the flaws we saw and now it's it's
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it's pretty much unanimous all the way around. So let's get into it.
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Gonna be back on the crew. Let's let's rock baby. Yeah. Bye
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week, this week of Bills. You don't have to worry about them playing
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on Sunday or or anything like that. You get a chance to kind of
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take a breath and and and decompress a little bit. And and to be
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honest with you, DT, after Sunday's performance, I do need to decompress.
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This is the perfect time for a bye week. So it's funny if
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you if you've been under a rock, I know you haven't been under a
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rock. The Buffalo Bills again lose on Sunday night, Sunday afternoon into the
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evening, thirty seven thirty four in overtime in Philadelphia to the Eagles. And
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it was a game where, you know, just a lot of different things
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just came up. And we're going to get into it and talk about it
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tonight because I think it's important, you know, DT. It's funny because
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I talk about, you know, not being happy and dancing on graves and
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stuff like that. But Dermott leads the Bills to the Promised Land, and
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he's you know, he's a made man. Forever and they build him a
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statue. And that's all the type of stuff that I wanted. I wanted
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him to prove us wrong. Sean McDermott is a fraud Nicol City Crew.
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Sean McDermott is a fraud Bills mafia. I've been saying it for a while.
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I talked about it, and I spoke to it DT, and and
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I was ostracized a little bit for it on Twitter, ex whatever you call
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it now, and people were calling me stupid, people were calling me greedy,
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people were saying that, you know, we were not in the situation
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where we should want more. That is kind of what spawned. If you
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go back into the archives Nicol City Crew Season two, episode twenty seven,
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go back and listen to Time to Grow Up. It's time to grow Up.
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And one of the things that came out of that episode was really one
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of our best moments DT, was when we were talking about peers and addressing
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the fact of making sure that we're judging the Buffalo Bills and the head coach
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and the quarterback and the running back and whoever whatever position, whatever you want
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to do, you're gonna judge them against your peers, against their peers.
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Excuse me, not against the past, because if you do it against the
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past, then obviously you can put on those rose colored glasses that will really
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blur your vision, that will really make you not see what you're seeing.
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I've called WGR so many damn times, DT that I can't even tell the
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story. We've already talked about it. Rex Ryan, Dick Duron. He's
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a hybrid. He's got more life than Dick Dron. But he's not eating
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dog dog biscuits, excuse me, like Rex Ryan was. And it's funny
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because Sean McDermott on Sunday, DT, and I need you to speak to
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it. Man, We've got to start right here at the scene of the
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crime. I'm sorry. It was the most scared performance I've ever seen our
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head coach, coach. And it's only second to thirteen seconds. And the
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only reason that it's not greater than thirteen seconds was because of the gravity of
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the situation of thirteen seconds. Being in the AFC Divisional Round against the Chiefs,
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obviously getting ready to host the Cincinnati Bengals, and we've already talked about
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it. We don't know what happened, and we were getting ready to play
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in our tailgate and we're gonna have a fun old time for the AFC Championship
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game that we were hosting. However, that was an opportunity that was missed
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and kneeling on the BALLDT. It's why I named the episode the way that
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I did. It's a new low. I need you to speak to it
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before because I could just go off and I do have a co host,
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but speak to it because that's where we've got to start. That's where I'm
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going to start. That's where my heart was deflated. I said. I
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sat there and I watched and I we'll get to it with the Nicolson crew
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tail get report at the end of the show. How I consume the game.
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But I was deflated DT that that was a that was a new low,
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that was a new lo. Well, the the actual twenty second Neil
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itself is, you know, is bullshit for a lot of reasons, right,
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I mean, the the third you just said it, the thirteen second
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game of the seven less seconds. You know, you know that you can
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go down the field and get a field bullet, And I mean, as
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far as I'm concerned, that's that's the new you know culture of the NFL,
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if there's thirteen seconds or more on the field, I personally think you
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can score because I watched it happen and ripped my heart out and your heart
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out and everybody they cried twice. So if they cried twice, I cried,
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I didn't. I called off from work, I didn't turn of lights
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on the next day. It was hard. So if anything over thirteen seconds,
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I think you can you know, I I think you can score.
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And then to double down on that last year Thanksgiving, a game where the
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entire world watched, you had twenty three seconds. Granted you had another time
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out, but your superstar once in a lifetime quarterback can throw the ball across
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the field, like that's what he does, that's why he his arm.
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Like the risk and reward situation is ridiculous because the risk was was blowing out
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of proportion to the fact that you know, the reward wasn't possible, like
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that you're not even seeing the reward if you're feeding me this ship about He
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talked about the defensive line, He talked about the kicker. Kicker that he
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did an actual, an actual freeze the kicker time out. Oh since you
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said timeout, but oh go ahead, I apologize, no, exactly exactly,
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And so you know it's like, yes, those were you know,
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the pass rush was picking up a little and their kicker just banged the sixty
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yard or in the ring. Okay, yes that happened. But you're saying
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saying you don't want to run a play because you think seventeen is gonna throw
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a pick or get a strip sack fumble. That's that's the only reason,
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that's the only that's the only reason you didn't do it. If you didn't
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think he was gonna get a fumble or or throw an interception, there,
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what's the reason you didn't do it, So that can be the only two
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reasons. And and that's where you know that it just doesn't make sense on
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any level. And as we go through the game, like there's more,
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you know, I I'm holding him accountable to more than just that twenty second
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rob If you'll let me go off on this tangent quick. What pissed me
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off most about Sean McDermot Sunday night not the was not the you know,
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play great for three quarters, not play great in the in the fourth quarter
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defensively, was not the blow time outs and Neil was not any of that.
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It was when our generation three hundred million dollar quarterback god is fucking jersey
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ripped off of him, Rob jersey ripped off of him, and somehow that
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wasn't a penalty and we got an intentional grounding call on that. Okay,
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in the beginning of the game where you didn't know kind of how it was
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gonna tie out, You didn't know what was gonna happen. And the camera
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pans over to Sean McDermott, and what's he's doing? The Dick Guron look
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standing there doing fucking nothing, wet fish doing nothing. Rob. That is
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a headset spiking. Put me to the showers early. Look another fifteen.
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You need the whole team to come pull me back here about this team when
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something like that happens and you don't do anything, we talk you know,
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we'll talk about as the night goes on, and you know, if the
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team still files him, if he still has body, and we'll get into
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all that. But who the passionate players on this team are seeing their leader,
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their alpha, literally his jersey ripped off of him, his jersey ripped
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off of him. What if that happens to Mahomes? What if that happened
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to Tom Brady. What if that happened to Peyton Manning, it would be
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there would be a legal charge against that guy. And I'm the officiating was
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was bullshit. That's another topic, but the fact that you didn't step up
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and show some fire in that moment. How else? I mean, there's
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no the romo nance and whoever the reef they bring in, which is another
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bullshit thing in the NFL, they were all saying it was. It was
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BS. If anything, if you're not going to call the horse scholar the
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intentional ground, he was even more BS because gave Davis whatever you you need,
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that's a spike your freaking headset and do something to show this team there's
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some fire about him, and you know, and if the if the camera
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goes to Sean McDermott and he's doing that at that moment. I feel a
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little better now. Now the rest of the game compounds and it's easy to
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kind of pile on and go. But that that's been bothering me and I
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haven't I wanted to say it because it was I think it's an original take.
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I haven't heard it on g r L League, and that burned in
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me. In that game. Sitting there looking at that, that really fired
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me up. And then the loss on top of it. That's all I
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was thinking. It's all I've been thinking about. Wow, you know,
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DT, You're bringing up a good point and something that I did not think
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about, and I want Nicol City Crew and Bill's Mafia to kind of chew
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on that, because it was funny to see that sequence and to see that,
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you know, when Josh came out in the second half, he had
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a new jersey, and then it was funny because I was like, clearly
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they bring double jerseys and double sets for everybody, because his jersey was ripped.
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And I think that when they're outside of the pocket, they're allowed to
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grab on the front and there's nothing illegal about grabbing the jersey itself. However,
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when when Hassan read it, grabs the back and you can literally see
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his fingers inside of his collar, I'm pretty sure that that's exactly what the
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rule was instructed for and called for. And to be compounded, like you
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already spoke with with the actual intentional grounding, when Gabe Davis wasn't even far
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away from the play, it was just it was a double fuck you to
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the to the Bill's mafia. It was a double fuck you to the fans,
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and you know, and obviously you know there's no conspiracy theory, and
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you know, sometimes refs have a bad day or whatever the case may be.
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I know that in the first half it was ten penalties to one,
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and that is weird on any team. I don't care if you've got the
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Jack Tatum. Uh, you know, raiders out there and they're doing every
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illegal thing that they can do out there. Ten to one is a is
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a very lopsided thing. That means that some team was perfect and the other
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team was not. So Uh, it's interesting and it's and I I have
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I have not heard that take, but definitely if you don't, if you
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don't as a head coach, if I don't see fire and juice out of
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you after something like that, what is going to give you juice? What
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is going to give you a fire? It's interesting. I've called the Rex
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Ryan and I used to get rid of It's Jersey ripped off. Ye say,
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ship, Yeah, it's interesting because you know, tonight's episode is you
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know, centered on the head coach and and and rightfully so, as we
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enter this bye week and we all get a chance that, like I said
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before, just to decompress, I want everybody to kind of chew on this.
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You know, it's funny. You know, my girlfriend and I always
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joke around, you know, chew choo on that. Chew chew on this.
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If it's from Boss Baby and anybody that's got kids that have watched that
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movie with Alec Baldman, it's funny because you know, chew chew on it.
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Think about it. Remember in the AFC Championship game, Sean McDermott,
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your head coach, Nicol City Crew Bill's Mafia, when asked after the game.
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And we've talked about this before. All of this is an echo chamber,
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but it's important to get out and important for us to actually make sure
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that this is something that is reiterated. When he was asked after the game
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AFC Championship Game, a game that we didn't even you know, plan to
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be in, it was a pleasant surprise and we were all happy that day
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until the end result, he said, they asked him, coach, why
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did you kick field goals to go down you know, six and nine and
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twelve and nine. Why why did you keep kicking field goals? And why
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did you kick field goals before the half and not go for a touchdowns.
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He said, I wanted to give the guys some juice, some energy DT
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That was his explanation. And I sat there as a season ticket holder,
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which does not make me more of a Bills fan than anybody else. I'm
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not saying that when I say that. When I say that, that just
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means that my investment is at the highest level that it can be financially.
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And I'm an out of state season ticket holder at that, so I'm invested.
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I give a shit, just like somebody that never goes to any games
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and he throws a party, or nobody that goes any games and he just
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buys a pizza from the local shop and he goes down the road and he
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grabs his pizza and he comes back and he watches it on his TV.
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That fan is not any greater than me. However, when I heard that,
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I said, that's bullshit. What kind of team comes into halftime against
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the number one offense in the league, A team that has been on the
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ascent like you guys are, but they've already been to the Promised Land,
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and you're going to tell me that you were trying to give your guys juice
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and energy by going for field goals, to go down twelve, to go
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about nine, to go down fifteen. Really, is that really what you
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think? Is that really what you think your players will get energized by.
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I started to think that there was something wrong with this guy. I kept
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on my own, you know, path, and then everybody continued to call
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me crazy DT. Everybody continued to call the you know, Ludacris, and
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this guy's won games, and then we you know, you know he he
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does any dog biscuits, and he's he's a great leader, and he's and
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hey, trust the process, right, trust the process. That's why I
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name the episode of the way that I did. Does anybody recall thirteen seconds?
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Oh, don't ask don't let me ask that facetious questions, because that's
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that's burned on everybody's mind across Bill's mafia, across Nickel City Crew. He
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lets he lets Leslie Frasier or or or we said it before DT, he
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either let it happen or he co signed that shit because he's Leslie's boss.
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And as Patrick Mahomes humiliates us on national TV with Romo and everybody right there
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and he says, hey, hey, Kelsey, do it? Do it?
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Do it? Do it? Do it? Because the coverage was so
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soft, so soft. I watched the end of that Equals game, and
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I'm like, they're taking everything that we're giving them because we're giving it the
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two of them. Why are we letting them drive down the field. It
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felt so much like thirteen seconds that I couldn't even believe it. I'm like,
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well, why are we letting them? Why are we giving them the
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outside? Why are we playing so soft? I thought Leslie was gone.
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I thought that was Leslie's fault. Then you stripped Leslie of the play calling
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duties. And then he says, Okay, I'm gonna go take a hike
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and I'm going to go and rest with my family and reevaluate my situation because
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I'm not going to be embarrassed because you're not a better play caller than I
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am. I've been leading top five defenses right alongside you. Does anybody remember
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that it's funny because we let Casey go down, they kick the field goal
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to Tid and obviously we lose an overtime. It's funny to meet DT and
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I need you to speak on it because this guy preaches accountability DT, he
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preaches growth mindset is what did he learn? What has he learned after watching
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the Philadelphia game on Sunday? Please tell me what he's learned after calling up
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and dialing up the zero blitz against Denver? Please tell me what he's learned.
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Where's his growth mindset? DT? Because what's happen opening now is that
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it's all starting to sound like Peanuts teacher. It's all starting to sound like
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wah wah wah, wah wah wah. It's all starting to sound like bullshit.
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And if it sounds like bullshit to me and I don't work for him,
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I can only imagine, and we'll get to it later in the show.
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I can only imagine what the guys in that locker room are thinking.
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Yeah, I mean with Brian Dable, there was there was issues, and
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you know it was we thought it was kind of bs when he left that
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there wasn't any issues. He started to accept this year that there there was
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obvious issues. Yeah, saw that at the game. It was a little
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different from a little different from you know, the growth and in whatever you
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call it, boom in front of him, shield gone. Okay, Leslie
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Frazer boom in front of him, shield gone gone, Ken Dorsey boom in
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front of him, shield gone. Like I said, we're running out of
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shields here, rob On, This man who is it isn't getting better,
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isn't showing us anything? And you want to grow and you want to trust
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And I keep making this point, what more do you need to trust than
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Josh Allen? What more do you need to trust than Josh Allen? This
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this year in particular showed us some probably the lowest point of Josh Allen's you
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know prime with what we saw. And there was some you know, there
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was some criticism of you know, is is this another Philip Rivers? Is
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this? And Carson Wentz is this a you know uh that I remember that
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firing you up with a lot of talent, but just isn't gonna isn't gonna
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do it well Sunday, Rob I mean just proved that that's not the case.
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One P seven is generation this team, he is the guy. So
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if you can't trust a generational Unicorn, when are you ever gonna trust anything?
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And that goes back to what's the growth, what's the trust, what's
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the risk and reward? There hasn't been any changes. You're winning games to
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win the games, and then you get in a big stage and and you
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lay an egg. And we talked about it is that it Does it go
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even deeper? Does it go higher? Does it go up to the begulas,
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the begoulas of saying, we're okay with being okay. We're good enough
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to have our tickets going hundred bucks, a couple of hundred bucks, a
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couple of hundred bucks a seat, we're good through it all. But you
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got a new stadium coming around, and you're gonna be asking people to pay
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ten g's for a seat licensing, right, and then go in there and
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play four or five hundred game. And you're a generational quarterback with the defensive
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coach who's a who's a prick. That means speak to it, speak to
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it. It just doesn't make sense. And and he's like you said you,
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you said it best. He's proven nothing to show growth. And we
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we left them. You use the term bread crumbs, left the bread crumbs
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for us, and we were in the minority. And now you're not gonna
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find a single person in Bill's mafia in Nickel City Crew. That's gonna say
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they want Sean McDermott to continue to be our coach unanimously come to us now,
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and because they're because they're seeing the same use, they're seeing the same
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things. He's not saying shit, He never says anything. He the risk
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and reward. The defensive line was good. We had to make him play,
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but you didn't. You didn't put your team in a situation to make
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a play. So you know, not to not even to break down the
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fact of you know, joshones zho and five in overtime, you're about to
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you go into overtime with him to be oh and six, Like that's that's
23:25
not even bringing that stat up. Does anybody play? Does anybody now in
23:30
Nickel City Crew? Does anybody now in Bill's Mafia have any doubt of who
23:33
told Josh Allen to stop running? Does anybody does any did anybody watch that
23:38
game? And this unicorn, that that that you always talk about DT.
23:42
I mean, I'm looking at the stats right now. He's got he's got
23:45
what you know, all these yards on the ground, he got what eighty
23:48
one yards on the ground, two touchdowns, He's got three hundred and thirty
23:51
nine yards through the air, another two touchdowns ten plus, third down conversions
23:56
ten plus, and then I heard that it hadn't even been yes and then
24:00
a bunch of them were over six yards. It hadn't been done in like
24:02
forty years or something like that. Listen, does anybody think that now?
24:06
Does anybody have any question about the fact that Josh Allen was told to be
24:10
careful, Josh Allen was told to stop running, Josh Allen was told all
24:14
of that. Now, it could have been a mix of Dorsey, It
24:15
could have been a mix of Dorsey and McDermott. But who is who was
24:18
Dorsey's boss? Because we found out who Dorsey's boss was when he got fired
24:22
right twelve men on the field, Dorsey loses his job and all of a
24:26
sudden, I mean, come on, man, So like, listen,
24:30
this is not a dancing on the grave episode. This is an episode that
24:33
is asking Nichol City Crew, asking Bill's mafia to wake up. I need
24:38
everyone to wake up, and I'm going to get to it. And why
24:41
it's so important for us to wake up in a moment because of the fact
24:45
that we are running out of time in respects to what we're doing right now,
24:48
because we're playing a dangerous game. There's a dangerous game in professional sports
24:52
that can happen. And what DT has always been talking about, and what
24:56
you've been speaking to with the Beagulas is that you can be Listen, we
25:00
don't know what it's like to be a billionaire. Okay, we can't relate
25:03
to that. So maybe the Poulas give a shit, Maybe they don't.
25:04
They give a shit a little bit, maybe they give a shit a lot.
25:07
We don't know. But one thing I do know is that when your
25:10
superstars start to get unhappy and you are in the entertainment business, you better
25:15
make sure that they stay happy because you are in the entertainment business. That's
25:19
why in the NBA and the NHL they change out coaches like laundry. They
25:25
change out coaches like laundry because of the fact that they are not trying to
25:27
lose the fan base and it's not working. Even English Premier Soccer they're known,
25:33
they're notorious for that. They're going to fire the manager right away.
25:37
You know why, because we're not going to lose the room. We're not
25:40
gonna lose this season. We're not gonna lose whatever type of momentum or whatever
25:42
the goals are for that particular franchise. This is professional sports. I do
25:47
not have to buy a ticket to watch the Buffalo Bill's play. I do
25:49
not have to go to the movies if I don't feel like going the movies.
25:52
I don't have to go to a concert. If I don't feel like
25:53
going to a fucking concert, I don't have to. Now, what has
25:56
happened is that those entertainment industries understand that we love being entertained. So you
26:00
better keep entertainment. Bill's Boffy, you better keep entertaining the fans, because
26:06
what's happening now is we're getting close with this whole Super Bowl window and unicorn
26:11
quarterback that DT always talks about, and you're wasting his prime years. He
26:15
will not be the same Josh Allen forever. We talked about that right here
26:18
on Nichol City Crew. We've talked about mitigating some of the risks. However,
26:22
we've also kept it real. Most quarterbacks get hurt in the pocket.
26:26
They actually don't get hurt outside of the pocket. That's a fallacy. We've
26:30
addressed that. Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, all those guys. They are
26:33
getting hurt in the pocket for the most part. Josh Allen on top of
26:37
that. That's why he's on the cover of mat and behind me because the
26:41
fact that he is so durable, So all we can continue to do is
26:45
knock on wood until he's not until he starts to show signs of different things
26:49
like that. But it's just funny because I saw Josh Allen beat Josh Allen
26:52
on Sunday. It was so fun to watch. I got out of my
26:56
damn couch when I saw him on that one touchdown run when he's juking jukie
27:00
you know, safeties and making them look silly. He's not. It wasn't
27:03
you know. It's not running people over all the time. He's an athlete.
27:06
He is a unicorn. Somebody said it today. I heard it on
27:08
WGR. We record these episodes on Wednesday. They released on Thursday, and
27:11
they are so right. I heard. I think it was Joe Marino said
27:15
that there was a comparison mate that he's Cam Newton plus John Elway. Now,
27:18
how on the fun Let me come on, that's the first time with
27:26
Josh with John Elway's arm. How are you messing that up? And Rob
27:30
we're talking offensive side of the ball. Let's shift to the defensive side of
27:33
the ball, the side of the ball you control. You're the defensive coordinator,
27:37
you're the defensive minded coach. And yes, we've had a top tier
27:41
defense. But this year in particular, the darkest year of Josh Allen's era,
27:45
even the year they didn't make the playoffs, this year is darker.
27:48
This year is darker. And six and six we sit four games, four
27:52
games rob one stop wins us the game. We're leading in the fourth quarter.
27:57
One stop wins us the game late in the game. You have the
28:02
Jets in the opener, you have the Patriots, you have the Broncos,
28:06
and you have this game. One stop wins you the game. Say you
28:10
do half you make you make a stop in half those games. You're eight
28:12
and four, one game out of the one game out of the top seed.
28:15
In the FC conversation, you're half you you make a stop in half
28:21
of those four one you make two out of four stops. You're one game
28:26
off. Now you're probably not making the playoffs. And that's the side of
28:30
the ball. You're you, you pride in, you love it, you
28:32
live in. That's your baby, that's your baby. You know what You're
28:36
doing and and and it's funny because we cann't made one stop. We haven't
28:41
made one Yeah, and that's that's another thing. It's like the philosophy of
28:45
the first series of the game, Rob, I don't know if you're called
28:48
the first series of the game on defense. Okay, Eagles go three and
28:52
out, yep, we whereas a Bills player there's a Bills player in Jalen
28:56
Hurt's face all three downs. Yeah, he threw. I text my Philly
29:00
chief Steak cousin. I said, throw away, throw away, throw away.
29:03
Yep. I was feeling great. So we go from starting the game
29:07
to that to ending the game of like are we playing tackle touch flag?
29:11
They don't take what you want, take what you wants. Are home,
29:15
you guys are home. You might as well just score and win this thing.
29:17
You know, I'm kind of I'm trying to protect my lead that I
29:19
really don't have. That's fault, that's you know, like, let me,
29:22
let me just let you have what you want to have. It's wild,
29:26
DT, it's wild. You know, it's funny because when you go
29:27
through the game and you go through some of the decisions made, you know,
29:32
it's it's even more than that. Like you said, it's more than
29:33
just the kneel down. The kneel down is how the episode is named because
29:37
it's just the most egregious. But you know, is there a way?
29:40
Is there a way that you that you don't let Philly touch the ball again?
29:44
Now? Now maybe I'm wrong, I don't know, and we'll get
29:45
to it at the nicol City Crew tail. Great report. How I consumed
29:48
it, so, you know, because it was a unique for me.
29:52
Is there a way that you don't give them the ball? Dt? When
29:55
I walk into the gas station today, the first thing that the gas station
29:57
guy that knows me, man, that was y'all game. That was y'all
30:00
game. Why'd y'all give them the ball back? This is that? Should
30:03
I be? Should I be on that? Or is that? Nothing?
30:06
Is one fifty too much time? I mean you're right down there. Is
30:10
there a way that you don't give them the ball back? Oh? You're
30:12
saying in regulation? Yeah? In regulation? Yes? Yes, I mean
30:18
it was first if they would have got the first down, it would have
30:21
been on inside the two yard line there. Yeah, I think it was
30:23
at the yard and a half line. And I'm okay with that. I've
30:27
been against the unit score too early, bs, whatever, because what if
30:32
you don't score, you know, then you're you're you're feeling around and you're
30:36
not scoring, and then it's four, it's third down, you don't score,
30:37
You're like, oh shit, we could have scored, so take the
30:40
points. They got the points. But you would hope this defense, with
30:44
this with with the defensive coordinator running the thing, your head coach, defensive
30:48
cordner running the game. Where yes, we've had injuries, yes we've have
30:52
bs. Give them the ball back, like one stop, I'm not taking
30:56
away. I'm not taking away DT is not he not here. My cities
31:00
that make a stop you putting it back on the d. Yeah, I
31:02
mean they haven't. They didn't show up. They didn't. Yeah, they
31:07
didn't show up. Yeah, yeah, they have it. It's funny because
31:11
you know, I watched McDermott. You know, thirty seconds left in the
31:15
game, it's third and long. He's calling the time out. Okay,
31:18
no problem. I've heard I've heard multiple people that have said that that's not
31:22
the most egregious. Okay, he wants to make sure everything's lined up,
31:26
he wants he doesn't want the you know, they don't want them to get
31:27
closer and making a you know, a fifty nine yard or a fifty yarder
31:32
or whatever the case may be. Okay, i'll give you that two timeouts
31:34
left. He Ice is the kicker. We've already talked about it. We've
31:37
heard it at nauseum. You know that there's no proof that that works or
31:40
anything like that. My point is that I want that dude's heart beating because
31:44
of the fact that he is, you know, he's a veteran kicker.
31:47
Jake Elliot's not a newbie or a rookie or something like that. I want
31:49
his heart beating, like I want him coming out there at like his heart
31:52
beating, and I don't want to give him another chance to take a cute
31:56
you know, a few practice strokes and a few practice swings, and he
31:59
does time and he called it right away. He knew that he wanted to
32:02
call it. He knew that that was what he wanted to do because he
32:05
was ready to do it. Okay, now you've dropped this down to one
32:07
time out, and we really could have used that. And then again,
32:09
the most egregious you take the ball away from seventeen after the game that he
32:14
played, and I think that that is probably as we continue to transition.
32:19
I think that that's probably why I'm ready for him to be fired. I
32:22
think that that's why it's a fireable offense for me DT. And I'm being
32:25
honest with you, because after the game, and after what he went through
32:30
Josh Allen and the offense, and after Joe Brady dialing up at I mean,
32:34
they look they looked like the old Bills. To me, they look
32:37
like the old Bills. They looked like you know, Brian Dables offense back,
32:40
you know, to me in that situation, and to take the ball
32:43
away from him and to make that conscious effort and decision, I thought that
32:46
it was just so egregious and I thought that was so disrespectful to the Sean
32:52
mc dummert doesn't lace up his pads anymore, you know. I know he
32:54
played with Mike Tomlin at William and Mary. He doesn't lace up the pads
32:58
anymore. He's the coach, you are, You are really sending a message
33:00
to your team that I don't I don't trust you. I don't trust you
33:05
number one. That's number one. I don't trust you. You might make
33:07
a stupid fucking mistake. And then They're gonna kick a sixty yarder or a
33:12
fifty five yarder and they're gonna beat us. So I don't trust you,
33:14
in addition to the fact that I'm invalidating all of the things that you have
33:17
shown me throughout this game, because all Sean McDermott can do DT is coach
33:22
this game DT. That's all he can do is coach the game that he's
33:25
in. He can't go backwards, he can't go forward and coach the Super
33:29
Bowl. All he can do is coach against the Philadelphia Eagles that day,
33:32
Josh Allen didn't deserve and didn't earn your respect that day in the pouring rain
33:38
all day long. Ball security wasn't a problem. Like you know, he
33:43
made a mistake. Okay, we'll deal with mistakes. We've talked about that
33:45
here on Nichol City Crew. I mean, if he's gonna give us the
33:47
great we're gonna deal with the dirty kitchen. We've talked about that, haven't
33:50
we. We said that we'll deal with the dirty kitchen. I will grab
33:52
the soap and I will grab the sponge, and I'll clean the kitchen.
33:54
You're cooking me a gourmet meal. He didn't deserve the trust after the game
34:00
that he put on up to that point of twenty seconds left in regulation.
34:02
I just feel that it's so it's so wimpy, it's so scared, it's
34:07
so ah, man, is this not what I want my coach to be?
34:12
Good? Be good? Good with being mediocre, living in mediocrity?
34:15
What is what is a team in any sport across the board? You know,
34:21
you you any sport across the board when an underdog comes in to you
34:24
know, David and Goliath, when the Goliath happened. I'm not saying Sunday
34:29
was David and Goliath. And the Bills are are David, but they are
34:32
like our bills, but like our drop bills versus the Patriots. Let's keep
34:37
Tom Braying off the field. Let's limit possessions, let's slow the game down
34:39
so he doesn't kill us. And what would you do? What would any
34:43
of those teams do if they had a chance to win down the stretch?
34:46
Get it, don't take chances. They're they're going for two. If they're
34:50
tying up, you know they're they're they're they're taking They want to win the
34:53
game on the field. They want to win the game on the field as
34:55
quick as they can of get the hell out of there. Well, at
34:58
this point, at six and six with a team where you've lost some bad
35:01
teams and you're going up against the team with the best record in the NFL
35:06
Super Bowl from the NFC last year, you're kind of the David in this
35:09
situation. You have to make that swing and Goliath, you can't just play
35:14
up straight up strategy strategy roster versus roster. Yes, you have Josh Allen
35:20
and a few other Cats that can play, but you're closer to Dave David
35:23
than you are Goliath in the situation. So yes, the trusting Josh Allen's
35:28
the biggest point, right, That's that's the worst thing I think as well.
35:30
I think that's horrible. What more can this guy do to have you
35:34
trusted? I mean, turns the ball over like it's his job as well.
35:37
But what more can he do, you know, to have he was
35:45
he was amazing, He was amazing to have him make a play in that
35:47
twenty seconds. What more can he do? Like, what does he have
35:51
to do to let you make him make a play? Oh, I don't
35:52
know. Maybe go back to Thanksgiving of last year when I saved your ass
35:57
on Thanksgiving Day in Detroit, a game that I was in attendance with with
36:00
my sister in Detroit who lives in Detroit. I was there at that game
36:04
and it was amazing that passed that he made to Stefan Diggs. It was
36:06
amazing. And earlier in the year when they were trying to come back on
36:09
the Patriots, they did something similar. He threw like a seventy yard bombit
36:13
and yeah, you know, in the twenty yard line. But so yes,
36:17
that's the biggest point, not trusting Jush Allen. Then the second point,
36:21
like, you gotta steal this game at this point, you got to
36:23
steal this game, and you got to do something to do that. Just
36:25
letting the chips fall isn't good enough. And to a coin that's touchdown,
36:36
they would have went down to score a touchdown. I mean, I I
36:38
I have bought my I've never bought T shirts, but I promise you that
36:43
store that sells the Trust the Process T shirts that sop I know we're not
36:46
the Philadelphia seventy six ers. I know that you know Josh Allen could be
36:50
our Joel and b But I promise you I'm not buying any of that ship.
36:52
I was never buying any of it. And I really implore Bill's Bafia
36:57
again over this bye week time to chew chew on it, to think about
37:01
it, think about what we're doing right now. And it leads to me,
37:05
as we transition and we begin to wrap up a little bit, DT,
37:07
it leads me to this point where I'm at now. My back is
37:10
against the wall. So because my back is against the wall as a fan,
37:14
I'm talking about as a fan from our perspective, the only thing I
37:16
can think of right now, DT, is do you remember riding with your
37:21
parents and you might have your sibling in the car. You got your sister
37:23
and you guys in the car, and you guys are arguing and your dad
37:25
looks through the rear view mirror and he says, stop, you know,
37:29
guys, quit it back there, and you know, and you're not paying
37:32
much attention. There's music playing, and then all of a sudden, you
37:35
guys are arguing again and you're fussing again a little bit, and then he
37:37
looks back in the rear view mirror again and he says, hey, hey,
37:39
you guys stop, And then you know, you guys are you know,
37:44
okay? Okay, and then all of a sudden, you guys start
37:46
messing around again and you piss him off, okay, And he turns around
37:51
and he says, if you don't stop right now, I'm pulling this car
37:53
over. You know what I mean, Like, I'm gonna pull this car
37:55
over. I think that now, because my back is against the wall.
38:00
I don't know what else to do other than to implore Bill's mafia Nicol City
38:05
Crew, to start acting up in the back seat so that Dad has to
38:07
turn the car arount because at this point in time, I don't know Terry
38:12
Pagoula. I don't know who he talks to. I don't know how close
38:15
he is to his daughter, like in respects to like does his daughter have
38:17
influence? And I know she's on social media as a as a pro player
38:21
on the on the actual tennis tour. Who can get in this man's head?
38:24
I doubt he listens to Nicol City Crew. I doubt he listens to
38:28
w GR, the number one sports talk radio show in Western New York.
38:31
I doubt it. Now, maybe people close to him, do we need
38:36
to start screaming DT like, well, I don't know any other thing to
38:38
do other than to say that, hey, hey, hey, hey hey,
38:40
we're not okay with this now. You know the only thing that will
38:45
get his attention is if we don't come back. Now, I'm debating coming
38:49
back DT. I've had a rough year, you know. I've been going
38:51
through you know, things in personal life and things like that, and it's
38:54
been tough this year to actually get up to the games and things like that,
38:57
and sometimes it just wasn't really working with FAMI and the Kings and things
39:00
like that. I'm not even sure if it's worth my investment to go back
39:05
up next year. If Sean mcdermot's going to be the coach. Now,
39:07
that's not me threatening the bills, and they don't care about my seat.
39:09
They'll sell my seat, what the case may be. I think that we
39:13
need to start screaming and acting up in the back seat so that Dad has
39:16
to give us some attention and has to turn the car around. DT.
39:20
That's really where I'm at at this point in time, because when Dad turned
39:22
around and he looked at you, that means that you guys had pissed him
39:25
off enough that he was giving you attention. And I just don't know any
39:29
other way to get attention because the only person that's going to fire McDermott after
39:32
this year is is cool. I don't think it's it's it's being they're on
39:36
equal footing. If you ask me, they're like equals. They just have
39:38
different job they just have different job titles. And I don't know how we
39:44
get his attention other than the screeason preseason no one. After you lose to
39:50
the Patriots, maybe you get a few. Now it's unanimous, So I
39:54
think we're close to the screaming rob. I think we're close to turning Dab
39:58
and Dad pull over. It is every single every single call, every single
40:02
point on WGR is about firing Sean. I heard one. I heard one
40:07
dude yesterday on Tuesday, recorded on Wednesday. I heard one dude yesterday on
40:12
Chovin the bull Dog say what are you guys talking about? And I was
40:15
so happy that they quickly got him off the phone because I was about to
40:17
scream break. So I think we're getting it. Got exponentially louder very quickly,
40:27
in forty eight hours, got exponentially louder. So, okay, is
40:31
there a chance that I can go all the way to the top, that
40:34
he could hear this that he knows that we're pissed. Oh does that know
40:37
that we're that we're in the back seat acting up? I think so it's
40:40
it's a small lovey w town enough to you know, oh, Sean at
40:45
the Tim Hortons, we love you, Sean to that same person is like
40:50
you that has the season tickets and says, you know, screw that.
40:52
And I'm not saying he's gonna get cussed out at it, Tim Hortons,
40:55
No, no, no, but he's gonna. I've met there is a
41:00
way that knows usually anyway that he knows. Yeah, oh he Sean.
41:05
How you doing to people just walking by him? Yeah? Yeah, yeah
41:09
I was. I mean, I'm more talking about Dad. I want Dad
41:13
to to pay, you know, I want I don't know. We don't
41:17
know how a billionaire lives, so I don't know. If earlier he's building
41:22
a brand new stadium in two years, a brand new stadium in two years,
41:24
you're gonna you're gonna be paying, you know, asking people to pay
41:30
exuberant amounts of money more than the bills Mafia's ever seen to go watch a
41:34
game. Yes, okay, and this is not the time you want the
41:37
fan base against you. This is not that you want everybody out board all
41:42
you know you want people we love Bill's Mafia. We love Bills Mafia.
41:45
We love you, Terry Pa. And you know you start pulling stunts like
41:51
this and seasons like this and don't fire Sean McDermott. And we go into
41:53
next year and the same ship happens. Nobody's paying ten grand for a PSL.
41:58
I'll tell you that, my damn, this is so he's gonna be
42:01
if he if he's not listening to us actually screaming, he's gonna listen when
42:06
the money doesn't start rolling in. And that's that's the point you were making
42:08
there. So so yeah, I think it's loud enough. It exponentially got
42:13
louder in the last forty eight hours. And it's not gonna stop even if
42:15
they make a run making to the playoffs this year, unless they win the
42:19
super Bowl, they're gonna unless they win the super Bowl, they lose in
42:22
the playoffs. How do they lose in the playoffs. The blame's already done.
42:24
It's Sean McDermott, right, It doesn't matter what happens. Regretting,
42:29
Yeah, the story's regret He can't even he's out of them. He's out
42:32
of any wins now, like, even if he goes, unless he wins
42:36
the super Bowl, it's on him. The tide has changed, and you
42:40
know, Pagola has to see that. Okay, it's interesting. You know.
42:45
That's the only reason I brought up jesseic Bagoula because she's younger. Obviously,
42:49
she's on social media, she's got friends, you know, different things
42:52
like that. And in the same way that you know, you know,
42:53
Kim Bagoula does, the same way that Terry does. You know, like
42:55
we've got our group, you know, threads, and we've got the thread
42:59
for you know, the Fantasy Football League, and then I've got different threads
43:00
with you know, you and I and and and you know, Big Ben.
43:04
We have our own thread and stuff like that. Is there any threads
43:07
for billionaires or is there a billionaire thread where they're like, man, what
43:09
that was a really bad game, Terry? You know what I mean?
43:12
That was really horrible. You know, is there anybody like they're talking shit
43:15
about your coach? I don't know what it's like to be a billionaire.
43:17
I won't pretend to, as we pontificate tonight, but it was It's really
43:22
interesting to me because I got that analogy earlier in the day and that's the
43:25
only thing I know as a fan again, besides the money, because right
43:30
now, you know, the money is all that's going to speak, because
43:32
it's a business. Other than that, That's when I was coming up with
43:36
that, you know, like screaming in the back, you know, eventually
43:37
Dad gets pissed enough that he turns around, he makes eye contact and he
43:42
lets you know that this is it. And if we're screaming in the background,
43:44
maybe he makes eye contact and we're saying, hey, this is not
43:46
good enough. This guy is not doing it for us, this is not
43:50
good enough. Again, as we begin to transition tonight and wrap up the
43:53
most important piece, DT and I need to get your thoughts on this because
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we're both former a leets, and we are both that have been in the
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locker room setting, and we know that you know, obviously not on a
44:05
professional level, which only makes it exponentially worse for what I'm about to say,
44:09
but we both know what it's like in the in the locker room.
44:12
We both know what's like that camaraderie with the fellas, with the guys,
44:15
even with the women, you know, with women in their locker rooms and
44:17
stuff like that. Softball, basketball, you know, it's a it's a
44:21
fraternity. Okay. A lot of times the players will ask that the you
44:25
know, the GM and the coach get out for certain you know, portions
44:28
of locker room time and stuff like that at the practice. A lot of
44:30
times coaches are not allowed in the locker room. You know why, because
44:32
it's there, it's their time. These are the guys that are going to
44:36
war. These are the guys that are going to battle, and they want
44:37
to be able to commiserate and talk and have their own separate time. It's
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really interesting to meet dt to think about and to chew chew on since that's
44:46
been our theme tonight, think about following this guy after that Philadelphia game and
44:52
and and I'm not trying to be hyperbolic or anything like that, but it's
44:55
funny. You know, we've we've we did two dedicated episodes two not one,
45:01
two dedicated episodes to our captain, Captain Diggs, who I love and
45:06
you guys know how much affinity I have for him and his leadership in his
45:09
leadership role on this team and his help of ascending Josh allen to the level
45:14
that he is in. It would not have happened without Stephan Diggs, So
45:16
please don't get a twist. I can know I got Madden right behind me,
45:19
and Josh is on the cover and so many of you do. He
45:22
wouldn't be on the cover if it wasn't for Stephan Diggs. If fourteen didn't
45:24
come, this ascension would not have happened. Now, maybe another receiver might
45:28
have helped him get there, but fourteen was exactly what the doctor ordered.
45:31
And kudos to Brandon Bean for pulling that trade. It looks like Stefan Diggs
45:36
was right DT, all of the shit that he was being cryptic about and
45:39
being a good a good teammate, a good teammate when he came back after
45:44
OTAs, after McDermott sent him home and McDermott lied to us and told us
45:50
all he was you know, he was gone and I don't know, and
45:52
then the next day, oh, he was excused and all that type of
45:54
backchecking. This guy's been doing this stuff. We've been talking about McDermott for
45:58
a while now we know him here at Nicol City Crew. It's funny,
46:01
DT, because everything that that that was frustrating stuff on Diggs is coming to
46:07
fruition everything. He was wondering what he did give us. He didn't give
46:10
us much because he was being a good teammate, he was being a good
46:13
soldier, and he wouldn't give the media too much. But what he did
46:15
give was the truth. And he did say, I'm you know, we're
46:17
sick of pushing this, you know, up the hill, this this this
46:22
boulder up the hill and we feel like we're getting there and then it rolls
46:24
back down. And he was wondering why we're having regression from the a SC
46:28
championship game to AC you know, divisional round loss, you know, thirteen
46:31
seconds, and then another loss to now to six and six, and it's
46:38
really seeming like, you know, the the actual labor of our our episodes
46:43
didn't go in vain because everything that he was talking about cryptic or not.
46:46
When he did actually speak at OTA's this is all. This is it.
46:51
He came in and had a problem and was wondering if McDermott was going to
46:54
be making some of the changes that he was talking and asking for his players
46:59
to make, including him, and if he wasn't going to be making them,
47:01
then that was really going to be pissing them off. And it wasn't
47:04
about Josh Allen, it wasn't about Ken Dorsey. He told you that I
47:07
don't call plays. I don't have anything to do with any of that type
47:08
of stuff. I could not call plays even if I tried. It was
47:12
McDermott. It's always been McDermott. We've known that it's been McDermott. We've
47:15
been looking at it now. Yes, we've gone through different possibilities for who
47:20
he could be upset with. But when it came down to it and he
47:22
actually opened his mouth, we knew that it was McDermott. And I feel
47:25
like he's justified. I feel like all of this, all of the Philly
47:30
game, was justification DT. Everything came to fruition. You're scared, you
47:35
coach scared, you don't trust us. You know, you're hoping that we
47:39
squeak out the win instead of going and attacking that win. You're coaching not
47:45
to lose the game, instead of coaching to go win the game, and
47:49
those types of things I'm sure would rub a competitor like stuff on digs wrong.
47:52
And it looks like he's right, man. It looks like he's right,
47:53
DT. All those episodes looked like it was right. Well, the
47:58
levels of that losing the locker room, if you will, you know,
48:00
it starts off everybody's everybody's a family, everybody's together, everybody believes, everybody
48:07
trusts the process. Okay, then you start catching a little heat. Your
48:13
first hintstake as a team, as a brother, as a fraternity, to
48:15
defend your brothers, defend yournity, defend Sean McDermott. He's our coach,
48:21
he's our coach. We we believe in it, We trust the process.
48:22
Okay, keep you keep hearing it, you keep getting it, you keep
48:25
getting it, you keep getting it, and eventually that I got your back
48:30
starts turning to maybe this guy does kind of is holding us back. Maybe
48:34
this guy does kind of suck, you know. So the level of I
48:37
think we're experiencing the levels, and in the beginning it was something nobody knew
48:42
in fandom too too. I mean we were we were quicker than when most
48:46
people. But you know, is awesome, the bills are good again.
48:50
We love this. We want to be every part of that, you know,
48:54
And then finding excuses for all these big losses and big beltdowns, and
48:59
it's like, oh, we're trusting the process. It's there. We just
49:01
got to get there and then now to well, shit, maybe just saying
49:06
it and and I think that's where we're at. I think that's where the
49:09
team will get And you know, talk about asking dad to turn the car
49:13
around like you know, we can stream, but you know, you start
49:16
like one seven starts starts, sport starts like the team starts. Then then
49:22
that's the real pull the car over, that's pull. There's something, you
49:25
know, something on fire. We got. You stole my notes. You
49:31
stole my notes DT, because it's funny, you know, like you know
49:35
I talk about basketball coaches and hockey coaches and you know what I mean,
49:38
you know, Premier League soccer stuff like that, how quickly those owners will
49:43
change out. It's funny because in professional sports DT, it's not fake voices
49:47
get stale. The same message you talk about trust the process, and you're
49:52
talking about all the T shirt sales and the flags on people's cars and all
49:57
the different things that they've been selling. And specifically McDermott himself with growth,
50:01
mindset, accountability, you know, doing your one eleventh Well what is his
50:07
one eleventh he's overall, he's eleven eleventh. He's running everything. He doesn't
50:13
put on pads, but boy, he makes every call, whether he agrees
50:16
to it again or co signs that, he makes every call as the head
50:20
coach. Heavy is the crown for that position. So because of the fact
50:23
that you're paid millions and because of the fact that you are leading this franchise
50:27
into the future, I am allowed to study you. That's what that episode
50:32
was about. When we tell everybody to grow up, stop comparing Sean McDermott
50:37
to Dick durn and to Chan Gaily because that doesn't make sense to do that.
50:40
Compare him against his peers right now, don't judge Josh Allen against Ryan
50:45
Fitzpatrick and and you know, and like Trent Edwards like that doesn't it doesn't
50:50
make any sense to do anything like that because EJ. Manuel is not Josh
50:53
Allen. So we need to judge Josh Allen against the guys he's playing with
50:57
and against on Sundays and the Jalen hurts is And it's funny because DT voices
51:01
can get stale. It is not something that is fake and sometimes an owner
51:07
has to listen to that. And it's funny you stole my notes. Because
51:09
what I'm hoping for now above anything else. Obviously, I want us to
51:14
make the playoffs. Obviously, I want us to make a run and go
51:15
to the super Bowl and win the Super Bowl, and I'll meet you there
51:17
for the parade. Outside of that, DT, I want the exit interviews
51:23
to not have Sean McDermott in them, whether it's Brandon Bean and Pegula,
51:27
whether it's this Pagoula himself and his team. I want the players to be
51:31
able to talk. Not every player, I'm sure you know what I mean.
51:35
The long snapper doesn't get a chance to get FaceTime with the owner.
51:37
But I'm sure as hell that those captains, all those guys that where those
51:40
sea should and all those guys that are considered leaders on that team should.
51:45
And I think that I would love for it to be a situation where Brandon,
51:47
Bean and Pagula can sit down and say, hey, you know,
51:52
Josh, be honest with us. What do you think, hey, Steph,
51:55
be honest with us, what do you think of McDermott. Hey,
51:58
hey, listen, Micah, I don't even know if you're gonna be back
52:00
next year or you know what I mean? Listen. Can you on your
52:02
way out if you if you do go out, can you tell us what
52:05
you really think about Sean. I would love for the players to feel open
52:09
and secure enough and to be honest and to speak to to Terry I Pagoula
52:14
freely because you hit it on the head and you stole my notes. If
52:17
Josh Allen starts to let people know within the organization that Sean McDermott ain't it,
52:22
I promise you Sean McDermott will not be the head coach faster than you
52:27
can. Then you can snap your fingers, I promise you. Because one
52:30
thing is about it, and two things are for sure. This is a
52:32
business and you you hit it on the head early in the show, DT.
52:36
This is a business. They do not want to lose money. I
52:37
did not even think about the new stadium aspect, which adds another layer of
52:42
complexity to this whole thing. If if Josh Allen starts to say something,
52:46
I bet you everybody's gonna start listening. Then hate this, hate this,
52:53
but it had to be done. I love it, man, I love
52:59
it man. I had to get this off my chest. I appreciate your
53:01
time tonight, as always, DT, listen. The Nickel City Crew tailgate
53:06
Report is presented by twenty six shirts here on Buffalo fan Base. Again that
53:09
is the official Bill's Mafia podcast network. DT. I don't know what you
53:15
did for this game. It was funny because, you know, I had
53:19
a crazy experience with this game. My girlfriend's tire blew out. She was
53:23
out of town. I had to go get her and make sure that she
53:27
was okay with our daughter, and like, it was crazy because I was
53:30
making sure that everything was okay, and in the midst of it, waiting
53:34
for her to come with the tow truck, I fell asleep DT at the
53:37
BMW parking lot in Greenville, South Carolina, for about maybe I don't know,
53:43
I would say roughly thirty to thirty five minutes. So it's funny because
53:45
when I woke up, it was right before twenty second meel down and was
53:50
righty for all. Then I'm wondering, how the hell did this game get
53:52
like this? Like we were up ten, Like what the hell's going on?
53:54
So I took the Liberty yesterday to watch the entire game back, and
53:59
both Bobby and Nate come home from school and I'm on the couch and I'm
54:02
like watching the game. They're looking at me like I'm a madman, basically,
54:07
DT, and they looking at me like I'm a degenerator. They said,
54:09
you're watching this again, and I said, yeah, I'm getting ready
54:13
for the show with with you know, with DT for tomorrow. And I
54:15
just needed to kind of look back through it and and and that's it,
54:19
DT. That's how I consumed the game. I watched the game to start
54:22
her tire blue. I got on my horse and made sure that I went
54:24
and meet and met her to make sure everybody was okay. And as the
54:29
tow truck and stuff like that were coming, I was. I was in
54:30
a I was in a parking lot about an hour and some change from my
54:35
house, and uh yeah, I was. I dozed off for about maybe
54:38
a half a quarter. When I woke up, I couldn't believe that the
54:42
game was close. I couldn't believe that we were still worn't up ten and
54:45
I had to watch it back yesterday and I was. I was just as
54:47
disgusted as every Bills fan I was on Sunday. Yeah, so that's that's
54:52
it was nice, nice subtle flex that your girlfriend grabs a BMW, that
55:00
that when I met that, I was sitting at the car under the coven.
55:04
That's that's I was sitting there waiting, and I I the car was
55:08
locked. Nobody could have came and had hurt me or anything like that.
55:12
But I did those of about a cord and a half. Yeah, I
55:15
mean, and obviously you saw the heartbreak there, but that you know that
55:19
I watched the Yeah, the let the letdown was you know, it was
55:23
beginning. So it was a good day. It was. It was a
55:27
rainy day up here in Aboff. You know these four o'clock games, it's
55:29
getting dark down, you know, at four o'clock, so kickoff is it's
55:32
dark. Went up Avid, Avid, nicol City crew member where we're surrounding
55:37
ourselves with them this year. Noah, Noah, No, congratulations and the
55:44
baby Rory yep uh and uh he's got a trigger. We're smoking meats every
55:50
week. Baby, we're smoking way like you bad. And we hit we
55:57
hit the U some nice ribs on the trigger. No one did a great
56:00
job. Chefs know us shout out. You know. He did a regular
56:04
traditional barbecue and then a little uh had a little like almost like a wing.
56:07
It was like a hot wing type of feel and those are really good.
56:09
Had some nice more of a dry flavor and it was real good.
56:13
And you know, watch the game up there and yeah, we were you
56:15
know, kind of pleasantly surprised as the game went and you know what,
56:19
not expecting to lose, but like, oh, okay, this is good.
56:22
We're up ten at halftime, up ten two different times, and then
56:24
overtime happens they need it, and I said, and we just both looked
56:28
at each other and we said, damn, it sucks that we've got to
56:30
this point, but we know what's about to happen. And then they go
56:32
down there. I go, We're wrong, They're gonna score touchdown. Then
56:35
they didn't. We're like, damn, we know what's about to happen.
56:38
And it happened. It happened, and it's crazy. I watched the game
56:45
back, like I said yesterday, and just to fill in the pieces of
56:50
the third quarter and how we got to that point in the fourth quarter,
56:52
and it was just, you know, it was just it was just disheartening
56:54
when a lot of you know, a lot of different efforts. Again,
56:57
you were absolutely right to bring up the defense and so focused on my ire
57:01
for Sean McDermott that I really was getting ready to let him slide on the
57:05
fact that this is his baby, and we've talked about it. He removed
57:08
all the shields. You're absolutely right about it. And we we had a
57:10
whole episode all eyes on mcdee on your birthday, and then then you know,
57:14
the next episode, and we've talked about, you know, Sean McDermott,
57:16
and we've talked about the fact that he has no really you know,
57:20
other places to hide. So at this point in time, it's going to
57:23
be really interesting these last five games coming up after the bye week. I
57:28
told you a couple of weeks ago DT self preservation is a dangerous thing.
57:30
Does Brandon Bean want to distance himself from him a little bit? Those interviews
57:35
do happen now, those are That's a real thing. Bill's Bomfia, that's
57:37
a real thing. Nicol City crew. Everybody goes and talks to the owner
57:42
on down so all the players will go talk to to Brandon McBean and and
57:45
to you know, and to excuse me, to Brandon Bean and to Sean
57:49
McDermott. All players will will report and they'll talk about different things that they
57:52
want to see them work on in the off season if they're under contract for
57:54
the next year. I really hope that there's this interviews with and I really
58:00
hope that Seaw mcdermot's not a part of him, so that the players feel
58:02
free to say, whatever, Hey, if you're bringing this guy back,
58:06
if we bring him back, I promise you we won't divulge anything that you
58:08
say. And and I would just love for you to be honest. And
58:13
I know that. I know Josh Allen got up there and told everybody that
58:16
Yep, it was the right call. He said, it's so damn fast
58:19
that I was like, he's fucking lying, Like he said the twenty second
58:22
meal. Now he said, oh, don't write call. I was like,
58:23
yeah, that's bullshit, because he's a competitor. DT. What do
58:27
you always talk about him like he's the greatest shows. He's a dog,
58:30
he's a you know, he wants it. He wants it. And I
58:34
think as we close up tonight, I think the number one thing that made
58:37
me so disheartened and proved to me that Sean McDermott is not fit for this
58:40
job is the fact that that, you know, Josh Allen proved everything that
58:45
that particular day Yes, he's thrown some stupid picks. Yes he's done some
58:47
dumb things and different things like that. But he had it all going that
58:51
day, DT. He had the running game going. Whether they said,
58:54
well, Josh, stay out of bounds and done the slide and or don't
58:57
run it all and then they change their entire offense and let's go Towell personnel
59:00
and all this other bullshit. Joe Brady comes in, he restores a little
59:04
bit of faith, he restores a little bit of normalcy to the team.
59:07
And then afterwards he did it all DD. He ran the ball, he
59:09
threw the ball immaculately, he threw the ball fifty one times, and he
59:13
was he was great. He was great, He was great, Everything was
59:16
perfect, and you know it just the fact that he didn't earn it from
59:21
you then, like you said earlier in the show, DT went, if
59:23
he if he didn't earn your trust for at least that day, then when
59:27
is he going to earn it? And the fact that he turns back on
59:30
it, I know that decide the entire game before that was the that was
59:34
a coward. That's the deeper philosophy of change that he isn't changing. You
59:38
know, so yeah, that's where we're at. That's where we're at.
59:45
Crazy. He never would have thought it. Man as always spread love out
59:50
there, not hate. These were my bills, the thoughts set out loud,
59:52
Hit them, Hit them with the God Bills DT. It is a
59:54
bye week, no game this week to cheer about. But we will we
59:59
will not We will not be deterred, we will not be dismayed. So
1:00:04
I mean, go bills. Yeah, rest rest up Nickel City, Rest
1:00:07
up, Rob. We'll be back Go Bills seven and six and two weeks
1:00:12
right in two weeks, not yet, not yet. I love it