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PARENTS SHOCKED When 'Likable Guy' Running Daycare BUSTED ON CHILD PORN · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Two words that should not
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Speaker 1: be in the same sentence, porn and child. How about
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Speaker 1: these words child porn and daycare that should not even
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Speaker 1: be in the same paragraph daycare, child porn. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and series M one eleven where
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Speaker 1: we still care about fighting crime and that includes child
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Speaker 1: porn by a daycare operator. Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Liza Ross and our CBS two.
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Speaker 1: Lena's Garden Daycare on Decatur Avenue in Williams Bridge's temporarily
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Speaker 1: closed and police have released this photo of employee Silfredo
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Speaker 1: Castillo Martinez. They're asking anyone whose children may have come
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Speaker 1: in contact with him to give them a call. Earlier
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Speaker 1: this month, the thirty two year old was arrested for
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Speaker 1: creating and possessing child pornography. He's been employed there for
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Speaker 1: the last decade. This mother almost enrolled her three sons.
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Speaker 1: There's just something felt all, you know, Mother Tolkien in
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Speaker 1: a criminal complaint. The Bronx District Attorney says Martinez told
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Speaker 1: an officer May third, I download child porn movies I
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Speaker 1: got it from Telegram in different chat roots. Telegram is
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Speaker 1: a social media app with instant messaging and foul sharing features.
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Speaker 1: The officer said. A surge of Martinez's computer found ten
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Speaker 1: files involving children. One was an infant and others were
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Speaker 1: boys between the ages of seven and twelve. I heard
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Speaker 1: know where to start. This guy had been working there
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Speaker 1: for ten years and the parents liked him because he
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Speaker 1: was quote friendly, always talking. I bet he was friendly guys.
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Speaker 1: This makes me sick to my stomach. I did a
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Speaker 1: ton of research on this in addition to prosecuting child
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Speaker 1: molestations in child abuse cases for my book Don't Be
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Speaker 1: a victim about how to avoid pitfalls like this when
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Speaker 1: you're taking your child to a babysitter, having somebody come
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Speaker 1: into the home, or going to daycare. Let me first
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Speaker 1: start with Nicole Parton Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: and you can find her on Twitter at Nicole Parton.
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Speaker 1: Nicole what happened? This guy who's making and exchanging porn
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Speaker 1: had been working at a daycare for ten years. That's right, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: So From twenty eleven to twenty twenty two, Philfredo Castillo Martinez,
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Speaker 1: thirty two years old, has been working at the daycare,
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Speaker 1: actually running the astor school program at the daycare, and
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Speaker 1: he's are saying they believe that he's been involved in
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Speaker 1: child pornography the entire time. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: one of his victims reportedly is a twelve year old
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Speaker 1: who went to the daycare center. How did this happen?
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Speaker 1: He's been doing this for teen years at that daycare
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Speaker 1: center and nobody figured it out. Well, it's not the
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Speaker 1: first time that this has happened, has happened many times before.
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Speaker 1: But take a listen again to our cut two Lisa
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Speaker 1: Roster CBS two. A police hource tells us one of
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Speaker 1: the victims is a twelve year old who attended the daycare.
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Speaker 1: Authorities haven't found evidence there were other victims from the location,
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Speaker 1: but they are still investigating a lot of people who
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Speaker 1: send accusalia. Never had no problem about everybody who loved
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Speaker 1: this guy, But clear red flags aren't always there, says
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Speaker 1: the executive director of the New York Society for Prevention
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Speaker 1: of Cruelty to Children. The people that abuse children sexually
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Speaker 1: abuse children are master manipulators. Ninety percent of child sex
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Speaker 1: abuse is committed by someone the child knows and trust
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Speaker 1: it's never too early to start this conversation with your
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Speaker 1: children about what parts of their body or private. For now,
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Speaker 1: Martinez remains in jail as he has not been able
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Speaker 1: to meet bail set at one hundred thousand dollars cash
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Speaker 1: or three hundred thousand dollars bond. Straight out to Scott A. Johnson,
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Speaker 1: forensic psychologists joining us out of Minnesota, thirty two years
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Speaker 1: specializing and stopping and addressing sex predators. You know, Scott Johnson,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. So often adult females
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Speaker 1: of rape or sex attack come forward. In fact, the
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Speaker 1: vast majority of them never report the rape or tack.
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Speaker 1: With children, it's even more explain like you just heard
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Speaker 1: somebody say nobody had any idea. Well, of course not
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Speaker 1: because children don't know how to enunciate. I mean some
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Speaker 1: of them are two and three years old. One of
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Speaker 1: these was an infant, an infant. So explain why children
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Speaker 1: typically don't say, hey, mommy, I just got raped. They can't, right,
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Speaker 1: And the problem is is that with the children number one,
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Speaker 1: they should never be in this situation, that they're not
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Speaker 1: equipped to deal with this situation, and the perpetrators don't
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Speaker 1: just use fear tactics. They also build a relationship, They
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Speaker 1: groom and they try to make it a little less
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Speaker 1: scary at times. Therefore, by the time most child victims
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Speaker 1: probably first disclose, it may be in my opinion, anywhere
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Speaker 1: from three to five or ten years later, because takes
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Speaker 1: that long to process, plus it takes that long perhaps
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Speaker 1: to have someone believe them. Yeah, you're right to. Stacy
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Speaker 1: Hanno is joining US assistant State Attorney in Florida, her
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Speaker 1: specialty sex crimes and child abuse, and author of My
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Speaker 1: Private Parts Are Private? Explain Can you back up Scott
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Speaker 1: Johnson and verbalize what I'm trying to say that why
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Speaker 1: children do not report? Well, look, there is a myriad
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Speaker 1: of reasons why little kids don't want to come forward.
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Speaker 1: Number one, they trust the person, or they've learned to
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Speaker 1: trust the person, and they don't want to get the
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Speaker 1: person in trouble. That's the first thing. The second thing
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Speaker 1: is they're threatened if you tell anybody you're going to
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Speaker 1: get in trouble, I'm going to do something to your family. Third,
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Speaker 1: they don't want to talk about something that has to
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Speaker 1: deal with their private parts. And this is why I
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Speaker 1: have been saying for years and years and met with
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Speaker 1: so much resistance about early education. You need to teach
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Speaker 1: the kids earlier. The infants, of course we have no
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Speaker 1: control over. But from the time that a child can say,
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Speaker 1: that's my eyes, that's my nose, that's my mouth. And
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Speaker 1: when pure parents are so excited show Grandma, where's your tommy,
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Speaker 1: where's your knee, there's nothing wrong with saying that's my
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Speaker 1: vagina and that's my keens. And the thing is, it's
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Speaker 1: not the children that are embarrassed by learning this stuff,
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Speaker 1: it's the parents later on. You need to educate early.
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Speaker 1: These are your private parts. No one can touch them.
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Speaker 1: No one will hurt you if you come forward and tell.
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Speaker 1: If you tell somebody, we will perspect you and we
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Speaker 1: will fight for you. This has been my mantra forever.
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Speaker 1: And we see these cases day in and day out,
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Speaker 1: and parents who say to me, I don't know how
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Speaker 1: to start this conversation. Well, it's easier to have a
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Speaker 1: ten minute conversation every single day with your kid. Been
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Speaker 1: sitting in the state Attorney's office. If fossil bid your
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Speaker 1: kid as a victim. Time stories with Nancy Greece to
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Speaker 1: Tania Jordan is with me chief parent office with Bark,
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Speaker 1: and you all know how I felt about Bark. I
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Speaker 1: love Bark, and no I'm neither spokesperson. I have it
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Speaker 1: on my phone on my devices, and whenever any particular
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Speaker 1: word comes up on the children's phone, it alerts me.
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Speaker 1: Usually it's something in a song that's been passed around
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Speaker 1: on their group chat. I remember going over to two
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Speaker 1: the Twins school and taking my son out of class
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Speaker 1: when I got a bark control that the F word
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Speaker 1: was used. Somebody had sent him around. I didn't know
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Speaker 1: what it was, but I looked at it on Bark
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Speaker 1: and it said the sentence and I thought, I cannot
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Speaker 1: believe this has come out of my son's mouth. Ever well,
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Speaker 1: to Thania, I drove to the school. I dropped what
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Speaker 1: I was doing and I drove to the school and
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Speaker 1: I showed I said, somewhat is this and he went, mom,
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Speaker 1: that's part of a lyric. Blank, I'll leave the little
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Speaker 1: boy's name out of a rap song that he sent me.
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Speaker 1: And he showed it to me, and in fact, that
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Speaker 1: is what it was. And Bart is so sensitive. It
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Speaker 1: picked up the F word in a rap song somebody
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Speaker 1: sent to my son. So long story short, I mean
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Speaker 1: the thing you don't want to do is find out
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Speaker 1: your daycare provider, who is with your child every afternoon
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Speaker 1: after school, is making porn. So could you help me
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Speaker 1: out on how this would show up online? Absolutely, Nancy Gosh,
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Speaker 1: I have so much to say, and I'm going to
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Speaker 1: keep it as short and sweet as possible. First of all,
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Speaker 1: Bark has helped to escalate over a thousand predators to
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Speaker 1: law enforcement. Last year alone, there was a ninety seven
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Speaker 1: and a half percent increase in online enticement reports. According
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Speaker 1: to nickmack Hey, could you just slow down a tiny
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Speaker 1: bit online enticement? What is that that's making me feel like?
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Speaker 1: I remember when we lived in New York so long.
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Speaker 1: We would walk by something called Hot and Crusty. It
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Speaker 1: was a bakery by it, and it would be at
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Speaker 1: night by the time I was getting home off Larry
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Speaker 1: King and whatever whatever I was coming, and it would
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Speaker 1: look so good I just wanted to break in the
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Speaker 1: front door and get it all to me. That's being enticed.
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Speaker 1: But you have a very different meaning. But the way
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Speaker 1: you said it makes it sound not so bad. Online
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Speaker 1: enticement is the worst. It's grooming, it's befriending children, it's
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Speaker 1: almost acting like a peer in some cases and eventually
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Speaker 1: leading to sextortion where they'll pressure a childhood to sending
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Speaker 1: a photo and then saying, if you don't send me more,
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Speaker 1: I'll hurt your family. But there's so much talk about here,
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Speaker 1: specifically with regards to the daycare and the trust that
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Speaker 1: is placed between children and who they know. As a
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Speaker 1: childhood sexual abuse survivor myself, the things that we're talking
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Speaker 1: about today hit very close to home. I was too
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Speaker 1: young to understand what was happening. All I knew was
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Speaker 1: that it felt good, and that was it. I had
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Speaker 1: been talked to about private parts and how only doctors
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Speaker 1: and mom and dad should should you know, see them
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Speaker 1: or touch them? And so I knew, my mom knew,
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Speaker 1: but I needed to be having more of those conversations.
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Speaker 1: And then once I finally realized, wow, this was not okay,
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Speaker 1: then I was terrified. This is a man we had
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Speaker 1: found through our church, and you know, what would happen
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Speaker 1: to him and did he even mean to do it?
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Speaker 1: And would he hurt me and my family? And all
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Speaker 1: of these thoughts coming through your head between you actually
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Speaker 1: say did he mean to do it? I did? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that was one of the things. Was he just a
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Speaker 1: curious person and made a mistake at should I forgive
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Speaker 1: him again? An adult? An adult? Yeah, making mistake getting
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Speaker 1: into your pants? Right? Oh yeah? Okay, guys, we are
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Speaker 1: talking about a guy making porn with children as young
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Speaker 1: as infants, and he also ran a daycare taking less
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Speaker 1: an hour cut nine our friends at w ABC. This
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Speaker 1: is what a parents' nightmare is made out of. Now,
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Speaker 1: we spoke with business owners as well as residents who
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Speaker 1: know Costio Martinez. They've seen him take children from the
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Speaker 1: daycare to a local park and never notice anything inappropriate. Now,
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Speaker 1: with shocking as this might be, the community member's police
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Speaker 1: believe there could be more victims. Police need your help
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Speaker 1: tracking down more potential victims of Sylvaino Castillo Martinez, the
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Speaker 1: thirty two year old now behind bars, charged with promoting
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Speaker 1: and possessing multiple pornographic images involving children. Tonight, Lena's daycare
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Speaker 1: in the Bronx where because Steve Martinez operated an afterschool program,
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Speaker 1: temporarily closed. I'm really surprised. I don't know no worse
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Speaker 1: to see. One parent who lives nearby breathing a sigh
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Speaker 1: of relief his five year old was not accepted into
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Speaker 1: the program, ask for too much papers, We didn't have
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Speaker 1: that over everything. So yeah, we're looking within left keet there.
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Speaker 1: You know. It's amazing to me and I want to
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Speaker 1: follow up on this that people that know the say, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: we never had a problem. That's because child more station
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Speaker 1: and creating porn is done in secret. To Derek Ellington
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Speaker 1: joining me Certified forensics Examiner, licensed PI at Ellington Digital
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Speaker 1: Forensics Ellington dot net. Derek, how do we find the
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Speaker 1: porn in order to analyze it and then match up
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Speaker 1: the children and the pictures with the infants and children
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Speaker 1: at the daycare? Well, in as a prosecutor, you know
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Speaker 1: how big of a problem this is. And the first
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Speaker 1: thing I would say is one of the mothers from
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Speaker 1: the daycare she said the most important thing I think
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Speaker 1: in an interview, and that was her vibe that there
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Speaker 1: was something that was off. And what people need to
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Speaker 1: understand about these predators is that they're so good at
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Speaker 1: fitting in, they're so good at being charismatic manipulative, that
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Speaker 1: sometimes we only have the slightest clue. You know, they
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Speaker 1: pop up on the radar one time, so people have to,
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Speaker 1: you know, look for changes in their kids' behavior, trust
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Speaker 1: their vibe about a place. Unfortunately, sometimes these people only
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Speaker 1: pop up on the radar one time, and so we
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Speaker 1: always have to be very careful about looking for that.
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Speaker 1: One of the other things is content providers like Google
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Speaker 1: and Microsoft and stuff. They do a good job of
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Speaker 1: trying to find these things. So what's happened is it's
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Speaker 1: caused the predators and the child porn creators and consumers
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Speaker 1: to go further underground. You and I've talked many times
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Speaker 1: about the Dark Web and things like that. They're getting
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Speaker 1: harder and harder to find because they use technology, they
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Speaker 1: use tricks to hide. So again it's very important that
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Speaker 1: people trust their vibe. They see these little clues things
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Speaker 1: like that. That's how we catch these people. I want
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Speaker 1: to go back to Nicole parton joining US Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. You state that some of the
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Speaker 1: child victims were infants in the child porn. That's correct.
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Speaker 1: So authorities are saying that one of the victims in
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Speaker 1: the video, in the videos uploaded, were an infant, So
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Speaker 1: we have knowledge that there is at least one infant,
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Speaker 1: and then the other children involved were boys ages seven
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Speaker 1: to twelve. And while we can focus on the fact
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Speaker 1: that he meant that the perp was in charge of
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Speaker 1: the after school program, which is for the older school
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Speaker 1: aged children. It's also odd to note that his home
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Speaker 1: address is listed as the daycare address, so it's believed
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Speaker 1: that he lives in that same building. So he had
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Speaker 1: access not just to the school aged kiddos at the
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Speaker 1: after school program, but he had access to all of
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Speaker 1: the victims, all of the children trusted to that daycare,
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Speaker 1: which are babies ages six weeks to twelve years old.
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Speaker 1: Stacy Hanna was joining me Assistant States Attorney out of Florida.
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Speaker 1: Way in. All I can say is this, you know
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Speaker 1: people act so surprised. I mean, what we have to
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Speaker 1: understand is, as your first guest said, and I always
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Speaker 1: have said, a master manipulator. This is what their job
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Speaker 1: is to be near kids. It will stop at nothing
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Speaker 1: to be in an environment around children. And that's why
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Speaker 1: I always try to tell parents. You have to be cognizant.
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Speaker 1: You have to use your common sense. Why is this
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Speaker 1: guy babysitting infants? Why? I mean not that everybody is
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Speaker 1: a predator, but you need to ask questions, you need
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Speaker 1: to investigate, You need to figure out and when they
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Speaker 1: try to sit in. They fit in because they want
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Speaker 1: to have a relationship with the child, because that goes far.
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Speaker 1: If they have a relationship with this child and then
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Speaker 1: they molest the child or sexually abused this child, the
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Speaker 1: likelihood that kid is going to talk in their minds
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Speaker 1: is nil. They would say, why would this kid tell
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Speaker 1: them me? I bought them things, I gave them money,
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Speaker 1: I gave them treats, I gave them twice. That's the manipulation,
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Speaker 1: that's the grooming, and so people need to wake up.
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Speaker 1: I also tell parents, please don't put pictures of your
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Speaker 1: naked babies on Instagram because people don't realize that anybody
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Speaker 1: can lift those photos and then put it on the
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Speaker 1: dark web, put it in a position where there's a
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Speaker 1: naked man with his genitals exposed, and there's your baby
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Speaker 1: the beautiful picture you took of your baby in the
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Speaker 1: tub next to it. So I don't know why people
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Speaker 1: don't wake up and realize. Read the news, listen to
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Speaker 1: ins to Greece, see what's going on up there. Don't
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Speaker 1: bury your head in the stand because ultimately it could
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Speaker 1: be your child, even though you think it could never be.
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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, and Ianthew This is Derek. I wanted to
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Speaker 1: follow up on what she was saying, and that one
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Speaker 1: of the biggest concerns that we see that parents often
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Speaker 1: overlook is the online gaming and when their kids get
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Speaker 1: involved in online gaming. A lot of times the parents
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Speaker 1: just you know, they see it as a safe distraction
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Speaker 1: for their children. But you need to be as cognizant
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Speaker 1: of who your kids are associating with when they're playing
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Speaker 1: online games as they would in person. And I tell parents,
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Speaker 1: if you wouldn't let a random fifty year old dude
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Speaker 1: come to your house and sit on your couch and
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Speaker 1: play video games with your kid, don't let them do
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Speaker 1: it online. Guys, we were talking about a guy making
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Speaker 1: porn which she'll ldren as young as infants, and he
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Speaker 1: also ran a daycare. I'm also curious here as to
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Speaker 1: how this guy was left alone with the children unsupervised
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Speaker 1: in a way that he can actually video sex acts
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Speaker 1: on infants, which in my mind is a whole another animal.
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Speaker 1: There's child was station in sex acts a little babies.
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Speaker 1: This is Scott Chaman in here that you know this
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Speaker 1: is typical of the narcissistic and psychopath traits of these offenders.
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Speaker 1: They're very calm to come in. They build relationships with adults,
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Speaker 1: so no one you know, thinks twice that they're interacting.
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Speaker 1: But they're doing too much. And you know, again the
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Speaker 1: question of why was he doing what he was doing,
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Speaker 1: you know, the access to the children, the amount of time,
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Speaker 1: but also the belief in his head that what he's
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Speaker 1: doing is okay to do and that you know, that
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Speaker 1: competence that you know, again, the lack of being held
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Speaker 1: accountable up till now, and most children are not reporting
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Speaker 1: in any timely fashioned because they're just not typically capable
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Speaker 1: to do so, and so that further emboldens him and
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Speaker 1: so likely there'll be many, many more victims here. But
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Speaker 1: I agree with so much of what your experts have
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Speaker 1: said here that you have to trust your child and
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Speaker 1: when something seems off, you have to investigate, you know,
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Speaker 1: Scott Johnson and forensic psychologists joining us out of Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: I think it also ties into a narcissistic personality and
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Speaker 1: that not only is he so bold to do it,
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Speaker 1: I think he can get away with it. You can
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Speaker 1: actually film it. That's another step and brazenness and another thing,
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Speaker 1: anthy you know, these manipulators. Just to chime in it's
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Speaker 1: stay they you know, they tell these kids, I love you,
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Speaker 1: and what I'm doing is fine, don't worry about it.
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Speaker 1: If this is proper, this is okay. And these kids,
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Speaker 1: if they're not educated at an early age, if they're
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Speaker 1: not taught, then they agree, they go along with it.
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Speaker 1: And that's a lot of the that's a lot of
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Speaker 1: these things that we see. Why we see so much
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Speaker 1: in a deleted report. A child who's well educated and
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Speaker 1: knows will know the first time someone attempts anything to
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Speaker 1: tell somebody, and that can keep you from being a
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Speaker 1: perpetual victim. You know, Stacy, You're so right. And I've
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Speaker 1: seen in many many cases where adult victims a child
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Speaker 1: abuse similar station at the time, they respect the abuser.
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Speaker 1: For instance, in this case, guy the works of the daycare.
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Speaker 1: But a very close friend of mine was molested by
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Speaker 1: an adult male as she was a child, an adult
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Speaker 1: male at her church. She was the custodian and that
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Speaker 1: went off for years and years and years, and she
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Speaker 1: believed wrongly of course, that he was with the church,
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Speaker 1: so why would this be wrong. She was afraid to
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Speaker 1: speak out. He was a church member as well, and
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Speaker 1: thought that she would be disbelieved when she realized ultimately
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Speaker 1: that what had been happening to her was wrong. So
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Speaker 1: very often, depending on who the purp is in relation
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Speaker 1: to the child, they may be afraid to speak out
22:31
Speaker 1: or think that, oh, okay, this is all right right.
22:33
Speaker 1: And then also could if I could add in on
22:36
Speaker 1: that also that you know, the fact that the offender
22:40
Speaker 1: has already been accepted by your parents to be around
22:44
Speaker 1: you further discourages the child at times from telling because
22:49
Speaker 1: parents and others have already said this is an okay
22:52
Speaker 1: person to be around. So you know, just to highlight
22:55
Speaker 1: that that issue, Nancy, this is Eric. One of the
22:59
Speaker 1: things he again, you and I've talked about before, is
23:02
Speaker 1: how good these predators and these criminals are at compartmentalizing
23:07
Speaker 1: their behavior. They are so good, and it's easy for
23:11
Speaker 1: us to say that, like you know that it's almost
23:13
Speaker 1: like a split personality where they can be that charismatic,
23:17
Speaker 1: caring person that everybody puts trust in, but at the
23:20
Speaker 1: same time have this dark side. But when we investigate
23:24
Speaker 1: these people and we look at their digital footprints, it
23:27
Speaker 1: is scary how much it's almost like you're looking at
23:29
Speaker 1: two different people because they're so good at covering who
23:34
Speaker 1: they really are. Derek. That is an amazing insight because
23:38
Speaker 1: I have found so often abusers can be very charming
23:44
Speaker 1: and very charismatic, and people on the outside would never
23:50
Speaker 1: believe what they're doing behind closed doors. And I've seen
23:56
Speaker 1: it so many bad women cases and so many child
23:59
Speaker 1: abuse molestation cases. But even on a bigger scale, look
24:04
Speaker 1: at these pastors that aren't molesting children, molesting girls, but
24:12
Speaker 1: the flock has no idea. Okay, Jim Jones, that's an
24:17
Speaker 1: obvious one. He was crazy and ended up murdering so
24:23
Speaker 1: many people, but on the outside he was revered and
24:30
Speaker 1: looked up to and was very charismatic. So if grown
24:36
Speaker 1: adults can fall under the spell of a charismatic what
24:42
Speaker 1: about little children. You're absolutely right, what you see is
24:47
Speaker 1: not always what you get. You see this as everybody
24:52
Speaker 1: has brought up today, and I want to really hit home,
24:55
Speaker 1: is that you've got to have multiple, ongoing conversations with
24:59
Speaker 1: your children at all of Asian stages of their development.
25:03
Speaker 1: This is an ongoing conversation, not just a one undone.
25:07
Speaker 1: And then second, I want to bring up the fact
25:10
Speaker 1: that we really need to start calling this ce SAM
25:14
Speaker 1: child sexual abuse material, not child pornography, It increases the
25:23
Speaker 1: it desensitizes people to what it actually is, and it
25:26
Speaker 1: is horrific sexual abuse and nothing other than that. Nancy Derrick.
25:32
Speaker 1: I also so I just wanted to add to for
25:35
Speaker 1: people here in North Carolina, this hits a little close
25:38
Speaker 1: to home. I know you probably remember in the early
25:41
Speaker 1: nineties when it was the Little Rascal daycare center case
25:45
Speaker 1: out of Edenton, North Carolina, where the owners seven people
25:50
Speaker 1: were charged with abuse. There were over one hundred counts
25:53
Speaker 1: of abuse and it was a very highly publicized trial
25:57
Speaker 1: that went on for a long time in the early nineties,
26:01
Speaker 1: and I think that was one of the first ones
26:03
Speaker 1: that really shot some people's sensibilities about those kind of things.
26:08
Speaker 1: And I think part of the overall problem we have
26:11
Speaker 1: to address is the access to affordable daycare. There were
26:15
Speaker 1: sixteen kids in that apartment, and I think that's also
26:18
Speaker 1: something affordable, safe daycare is something that this country needs
26:22
Speaker 1: to address. Yeah, ye, the Stacey and I just you know,
26:27
Speaker 1: I'm doing this over thirty years and so believe me,
26:31
Speaker 1: I've seen it all. Every excuse, every parent that's come
26:36
Speaker 1: in crying, every parent that said, why my child, every
26:39
Speaker 1: parent that said I don't know how to have a conversation.
26:41
Speaker 1: This is an epidemic. We cover the fish fold, the
26:45
Speaker 1: big cases, the news word of the cases. There are
26:48
Speaker 1: hundreds of cases in hundreds of offices all over the
26:52
Speaker 1: country where there's child porn, there's child sexual abuse, of
26:54
Speaker 1: shild molestation. It is a real issue. And I think
26:59
Speaker 1: that we need to educ hadem to school. We need
27:01
Speaker 1: parents to stop thinking it's never going to be them.
27:04
Speaker 1: We need to know that sex abuse knows no boundary.
27:07
Speaker 1: That's been black, white, Jewish, Catholic, whatever it is. Anyone
27:11
Speaker 1: could be a suspect and anyone could be a victim.
27:14
Speaker 1: And so we need to wake up and we need
27:16
Speaker 1: to really start having conversations and not being fearful of it.
27:21
Speaker 1: Well another thing, Stacy Hannah and Stacy joining us out
27:26
Speaker 1: of Florida a specialty sex crimes and child abuse. Author
27:31
Speaker 1: of my private parts are private, Stacy. I think parents
27:35
Speaker 1: need to come up with a way to say, has
27:40
Speaker 1: anyone sex molested you? A child won't even know what
27:43
Speaker 1: that means, And it has to be in a non threatening, talkative,
27:52
Speaker 1: conversational kind gentle way, like you know you've ever been
28:00
Speaker 1: in the bathroom, as anyone ever touched your private parts,
28:06
Speaker 1: your front end or your back end, or try to
28:08
Speaker 1: kiss you in any way that made you feel bad.
28:11
Speaker 1: They won't get in trouble. Just tell me, has anybody
28:14
Speaker 1: ever done that? Or if you have an idea of
28:17
Speaker 1: someone like a babysitter or someone like here at this
28:21
Speaker 1: daycare to question them in a non threatening way, tell
28:26
Speaker 1: them the person won't get in trouble. But then no
28:28
Speaker 1: one is supposed to touch them and their private parts.
28:33
Speaker 1: A lot of adults are intimidated about asking it because
28:37
Speaker 1: they don't know how to broach it. I thought long
28:40
Speaker 1: and hard before I had the talk with the twins.
28:43
Speaker 1: Of course, they already knew everything that was to know
28:45
Speaker 1: before I got around to saying anything, but I had
28:47
Speaker 1: to think of a way to bring it up, just
28:50
Speaker 1: like I had to bring up that question then when
28:53
Speaker 1: they were little and they were with babysitters or at
28:58
Speaker 1: play school. I want to to know, and I wanted
29:01
Speaker 1: them to know that they could come to me and
29:04
Speaker 1: tell me and not be upset or embarrassed about it.
29:07
Speaker 1: So you're very very right. Stay so you don't pass
29:11
Speaker 1: the bucks to the teacher. Don't pass the bucks you
29:13
Speaker 1: with the parents. You tell your kids. Don't say note,
29:17
Speaker 1: you say note to drugs, don't do this, don't do that.
29:20
Speaker 1: Now it's time to talk about the tough stuff. Might
29:22
Speaker 1: be tough now, it's going to be tougher a little
29:24
Speaker 1: bit later if you don't cover it. So everyone needs
29:27
Speaker 1: to get on the ball. If you don't cover it,
29:29
Speaker 1: So everyone needs to get on the ball. I can
29:32
Speaker 1: I add something to that because what you said was amazing.
29:35
Speaker 1: And we do a lot of conferences and trainings to
29:39
Speaker 1: try to teach parents how to keep their kids safe
29:42
Speaker 1: on the internet. And it's interesting that we will do
29:44
Speaker 1: a survey and we will say, okay, what is an
29:47
Speaker 1: appropriate age for this type of social media or this
29:52
Speaker 1: type of electronic device. And it's really interesting that the
29:56
Speaker 1: parents will kind of have a certain idea of what
30:00
Speaker 1: a certain age limit would be or what appropriate age
30:03
Speaker 1: would be. And then we ask the question again and
30:06
Speaker 1: we say, what if it's your kid. And the problem
30:10
Speaker 1: is is that parents will have an idea of what's
30:13
Speaker 1: appropriate for everybody else, but then they'll be more laxed
30:17
Speaker 1: when it comes to their kid. Well, my kid can
30:19
Speaker 1: handle it, you know. My kid can have this social
30:22
Speaker 1: media even though I don't believe it's age appropriate. And
30:26
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the problem we run into
30:28
Speaker 1: as well, is that parents have an inflated idea of
30:34
Speaker 1: what their kids can handle, and you know, need to
30:37
Speaker 1: be more realistic about, you know, reining them in and
30:40
Speaker 1: monitoring them and stuff like that. And I think that's
30:42
Speaker 1: that's kind of the the takeaway here is that you
30:45
Speaker 1: have to know what your kids are doing, who they're
30:47
Speaker 1: associating with, trust your vibe, and trust your kids. Time
31:07
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Back to Scott Johnson, forensic psychologists
31:17
Speaker 1: joining US out of Minnesota. What about it, Scott? You
31:19
Speaker 1: know what people I always teach law enforcement, for example,
31:23
Speaker 1: you know people that are out of context for a situation,
31:26
Speaker 1: too friendly or too angry, et cetera. Well, when we're
31:29
Speaker 1: dealing with daycare providers or alleged suspects here, you know,
31:32
Speaker 1: people that are too friendly toward our kid when they
31:36
Speaker 1: shouldn't be, an inappropriate attention toward our kid where it
31:40
Speaker 1: shouldn't be. And so some of this is also pieces
31:43
Speaker 1: that we have to pay attention to. You know, for example,
31:46
Speaker 1: with the Jerry Sandusky case, why was he taking so
31:49
Speaker 1: much interest in particular boys, Well, because he was lusting them,
31:53
Speaker 1: but on the outside, of course, it appeared he just
31:56
Speaker 1: wanted to be coaching them. So to be more aware
31:59
Speaker 1: of this to someone that wants an interest in our kid,
32:02
Speaker 1: we should be, you know, really looking into that before
32:05
Speaker 1: we allow it. And another thing, I mean, we hear
32:08
Speaker 1: stories about where teachers spend one on one time with students,
32:13
Speaker 1: take them to movies, talk to them over the weekends.
32:16
Speaker 1: That's inappropriate. And there was Sandusky talk about a revered figure.
32:22
Speaker 1: Every one in the sports world looked up to him.
32:26
Speaker 1: So how hard do you think that was for those
32:29
Speaker 1: molestation victims to know that this famous, revered guy was
32:34
Speaker 1: molesting them. Yeah, what about it, Stacy. We see so
32:38
Speaker 1: much of in these coaching cases. These kids that are
32:40
Speaker 1: on athletic teams and the coach take such an interest
32:43
Speaker 1: in them. And sometimes it's not for the various reasons,
32:46
Speaker 1: but many times it is. If you have a coach
32:48
Speaker 1: that once your kids' phone number and once to text
32:52
Speaker 1: with your child, that wants to come over on Saturday
32:54
Speaker 1: and wants to take your kids to the movies. If
32:56
Speaker 1: you see an overabundance of affection in some way, you
32:59
Speaker 1: need to start asking. It's not always bad, but you
33:02
Speaker 1: need to start questioning your child is got something going on?
33:06
Speaker 1: Is there something that's making me feel uncomfortable? I mean,
33:08
Speaker 1: you need to ask the tough questions. The problem with
33:10
Speaker 1: in the society that we live in Bray is people
33:13
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about the tough stuff. They want
33:16
Speaker 1: to talk about the fruitflu stuff. You know, when I
33:18
Speaker 1: tried to talk about with mom bloggers and I ask
33:21
Speaker 1: them to please, I think you should maybe put maybe
33:24
Speaker 1: your audience would like to know that it's my books,
33:26
Speaker 1: there's tools, there's tools that are out there, and they
33:28
Speaker 1: say to me, oh, they'd rather talk about a fun
33:30
Speaker 1: play data on what's in sail and target. They don't realize,
33:34
Speaker 1: you know what you need to cover difficult things and
33:37
Speaker 1: you need to talk to your kids. And that's the
33:41
Speaker 1: takeaway of everything. Be aware, be aware of surroundings with
33:46
Speaker 1: your children, have open conversations and dialogue with your kids.
33:51
Speaker 1: Talk to your kids till they finally save you. Mom.
33:53
Speaker 1: I've heard it before. I now, don't talk to somebody
33:57
Speaker 1: on the internet. Don't do that, you know till they're
33:59
Speaker 1: so aggie because it's immarined in their mind. And that's
34:03
Speaker 1: and I say that from the perspective of an increase
34:06
Speaker 1: in cases and what I've seen over these years and
34:10
Speaker 1: how I see how people react and not wanting to discuss, uh,
34:14
Speaker 1: you know, hard subjects like the Derek Ellington forensics examiner
34:21
Speaker 1: at ellington dot net. What is telegraph. Telegram is just
34:27
Speaker 1: basically kind of a chat and communication APT but you
34:30
Speaker 1: can trade of files and stuff back and forth. A
34:35
Speaker 1: lot of this goes on through chat, through encrypted chat.
34:39
Speaker 1: The same thing that people look for when they know
34:43
Speaker 1: they want to make sure their communications secure is the
34:45
Speaker 1: same thing the predators use. Kick messengers another big one
34:49
Speaker 1: for this. I think it's important to note, and I've
34:52
Speaker 1: talked about earlier about how the predators are getting better
34:55
Speaker 1: with their software. It kind of goes back to twenty thirteen,
35:00
Speaker 1: the revelations with Eric Snowden and the government collecting people's information. Well,
35:05
Speaker 1: what happened is regular people and predators all of a sudden,
35:10
Speaker 1: for the first time, had in their head that their
35:13
Speaker 1: information was not safe and secure, and it started pushing
35:16
Speaker 1: them underground. They started using things like you and I've
35:19
Speaker 1: talked about the dark web, tour browsers, encrypted chat, and
35:23
Speaker 1: so it's made it a lot harder for law enforcements
35:28
Speaker 1: to monitor and catch these people. In fact, we had
35:31
Speaker 1: a recent case where a guy was doing this stuff.
35:34
Speaker 1: He was doing everything correctly from a technology standpoint, hiding
35:38
Speaker 1: his tracks and stuff, and one time the software he
35:42
Speaker 1: was using, the little program in the background to cover
35:45
Speaker 1: his tracks crashed and his IP address his location flashed
35:51
Speaker 1: like a beacon for just one instant, and that was
35:56
Speaker 1: enough to catch him and put him in jail for
35:58
Speaker 1: fourteen years. Sometimes these guys never come up on the radar,
36:03
Speaker 1: so when they do, we have to do whatever we
36:05
Speaker 1: can to catch them well. And just for my website,
36:09
Speaker 1: Forensic Consultation dot org, on the publication page I quick
36:15
Speaker 1: for free, people can access articles that are going to
36:18
Speaker 1: actually look at what the research has to say about this,
36:21
Speaker 1: because all too often I hear people try to defend
36:25
Speaker 1: a pedophile they have a psychological disorder. They no, no,
36:28
Speaker 1: they made a decision to do what they did. It
36:31
Speaker 1: was very deliberate and it's important we understand more of
36:34
Speaker 1: the grooming strategies and things like that. So just to
36:38
Speaker 1: be more aware, I agree with what everyone's saying, be
36:41
Speaker 1: more aware and not afraid to intervene. To you, Nicole Partment,
36:46
Speaker 1: where does it stand right now, has a grand jury
36:48
Speaker 1: met yet, we are waiting. He remains in jail. He
36:52
Speaker 1: was not able to get out on his bond or bail,
36:56
Speaker 1: so we wait to see what happened. But these charges,
37:00
Speaker 1: he's charged with not only possessing the child porn, but
37:05
Speaker 1: promoting the child porn and making it with the children
37:12
Speaker 1: at the daycare. We wait as justice unfolds with the
37:17
Speaker 1: defendant in this case, Silfreda Martinez Nancy Grace Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,