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SAS Recruit SURVIVES 400 Foot Fall | Joe O'Connor · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello friends. I'm your host, Chris Throw. I'm a former
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  Speaker 1: Brawleries commando. I've adventured for better and sometimes worse, across
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  Speaker 1: eighty countries on all seven confidents. Welcome to the Port
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  Speaker 1: the T Shirt Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Joe, how are you doing? Brother?
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  Speaker 3: Fantastic? Cheers? Well, how are you doing it? It's so
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  Speaker 3: great to be on your show. By the way, how
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  Speaker 3: are you doing mate?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's very kind you say. Yes, I'm absolutely fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: Just had a mega couple of days away camping at
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  Speaker 2: an adventure park with my little one. He's he always
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  Speaker 2: tends to be the boss in those situations, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying not to be controlling Joe, do you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been. Yeah, Yeah, I'm wore on the T shirt.
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  Speaker 3: I know what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: You've got to get that happy balance, Snia between mean
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  Speaker 2: kind of pointing them in the right direction and being
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  Speaker 2: able to say when you're just when you're wrong. On
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  Speaker 2: the other hand, you don't want to be that dad
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  Speaker 2: that's just always shouty and and I think there's that
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  Speaker 2: in all, you know, certainly us military types. I think
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  Speaker 2: we come from a certain type of background, don't we.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you just got to let them explore. You've
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  Speaker 3: got to make mistakes, and it's just been the if
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  Speaker 3: the mistakes a big one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, But Joe, we're here to talk about you fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: Let let's just dive straight in for those people, the
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  Speaker 2: sort of you know, those that like a good military story,
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  Speaker 2: and I want to talk about your your you know,
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  Speaker 2: your accident whilst on selection for the S A S.
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  Speaker 2: And then we'll come back. I'd like to explore you
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  Speaker 2: nearly died three times as a child. And then of
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  Speaker 2: course you have the art of dealing with money, which
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  Speaker 2: is something I think we all need to have a
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  Speaker 2: listen to. So, yes, who were you serving with when
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  Speaker 2: you went on sas selection?
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  Speaker 3: Great question, Thank you. I was with two two one
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  Speaker 3: Field Squadron, one on one Regiment, one Disposal EORD And
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  Speaker 3: at that time I was in the Territorial Army because
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  Speaker 3: I've done with Reggie duty, which you can talk about later.
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  Speaker 3: Between eighty one and eighty eight, I got out and
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  Speaker 3: came a finance su advisor and you know what, when
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  Speaker 3: you like, I don't know about you, but I just
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  Speaker 3: got this yearning I wanted to be back in the military.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't want to be back twenty four to seven,
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  Speaker 3: so I joined the old and then at the age
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  Speaker 3: of thirty seven, I thought, right, I got to go
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  Speaker 3: and find the final mission. And the final mission, of course,
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  Speaker 3: was transferring for selection over two three regiment and everything
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  Speaker 3: was going to go because they did say to me
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  Speaker 3: at the age of thirty seven, you're a bit of
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  Speaker 3: an old time already, mate. I said, well, just give
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  Speaker 3: me a crap with you. And I've been a PTI
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  Speaker 3: in the military, and I said, I've been training seven
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  Speaker 3: days a week, right, I think I'm up to it.
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  Speaker 3: Just give me a goal. And we did pre selection,
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  Speaker 3: which was an eight miler over winter Hill, which is
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  Speaker 3: up it's a big hill up by the m six
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  Speaker 3: and you recognize it because there's a big beacon on it,
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  Speaker 3: a BT beacon run over that and got I'm back
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  Speaker 3: because we thought we'd done it going over the hill,
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  Speaker 3: but when the DS was the other side and just
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  Speaker 3: said no, back to the throup, so like there was
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  Speaker 3: a bit of despondency, and then you just crack on,
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  Speaker 3: don't you. So I came third out of sixty eight,
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  Speaker 3: which was pretty I was pretty impressed with and I said, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you can, you can do selection. That was in February,
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  Speaker 3: March ninety nine October nineteen ninety nine. There were ace
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  Speaker 3: of was left because you know, you always get a
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  Speaker 3: few guys dropping off for earlious reasons, and eight was
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  Speaker 3: left and it was blowing a holy The weather wasn't
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  Speaker 3: great in the daytime. We're being blown over like confetti.
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  Speaker 3: And then when you carry in your backpack, that's some
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  Speaker 3: wind to be blowing over and lights. We got back
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  Speaker 3: to the RV, cooked down scran night and then yes,
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  Speaker 3: I said, right, come on, we're off, get out, gake
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  Speaker 3: it on, went off and I was about half past
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  Speaker 3: six on parade and we started off at Fan four
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  Speaker 3: Fan four the bat Mountain range. And to start with
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  Speaker 3: it was okay because we're being shielded by the wind,
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  Speaker 3: you know, with the hill. When we got to the
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  Speaker 3: top wall, it was blowing a wholly and all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden, I'm just going along and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: this heavy backpack just becomes light, then it's heavy, then
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  Speaker 3: it's light, then it's heavy, then it's light. I was thinking,
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  Speaker 3: what's going on? And then it's heavy and it stays
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  Speaker 3: heay wow. That and that was Saturday night. What seemed
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  Speaker 3: like two minutes later, I woke out. I opened my
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  Speaker 3: eyes and then I remember being lifted by Seeking helicopter
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  Speaker 3: and flown to Cardiffin University Hospital and as if a
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  Speaker 3: chap standing over me with a punt right suit a spectacle,
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  Speaker 3: looking over his clipboard say mister O'Connor, Yeah that's me.
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  Speaker 3: He said, you were out with the sas and the
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  Speaker 3: weather was arender. She shouldn't have been there. I thought, no, shit,
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  Speaker 3: she had. He said that. Yes, you were lifted off
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  Speaker 3: your feet by augusta wind it three down the mountain.
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  Speaker 3: You felt forward and from and you've broken your neck
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  Speaker 3: and I thought, wow, And you know you're going denisal,
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  Speaker 3: don't you. I mean, I'm thinking about a couple of
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  Speaker 3: days earlier. I've been playing kicking around the football with
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  Speaker 3: my four year old son. My then wife is pregnant
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  Speaker 3: with our second son I've got and now I'm a
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  Speaker 3: city right, So Monday morning, it's Monday, I'm supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be seeing clients today about investing and commercial deals, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm lay in bed, paralyzed in Cardiff, and I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 3: and I mean, I'm in denial right because this can't
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  Speaker 3: be happening to me because I was fit as ten
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  Speaker 3: men the other day and now I can't move? Is
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  Speaker 3: my life ended? What What am I going to do?
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  Speaker 3: And as the doctor's walking off, I said, oh, by
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  Speaker 3: the way, Dot, can you patch me up? I've got
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  Speaker 3: a mansphant to run in New York on Sunday for charity.
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  Speaker 3: And he turned around and he looked at me, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, he didn't didn't laugh as on it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you've it's sunk in yet. You're paralyzed.
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  Speaker 3: You won't be doing any madathon. In fact, you'll be
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  Speaker 3: fortunately if you can walk. We've got to take this
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  Speaker 3: one step at a time. We need to operate. And
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  Speaker 3: I thought, wow, And then and then it's just you know,
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  Speaker 3: you're just thinking what what's the meaning of life? That
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  Speaker 3: is when when you're thinking what is the meaning of life?
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  Speaker 3: And what's going to happen? You know? And at that
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  Speaker 3: point I was feeling pretty low. But the one thing
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  Speaker 3: I did want to do is I just had this
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  Speaker 3: burning desire to get back, to get back up. I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't going to accept defeat, that just giving up failure.
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  Speaker 3: Failure isn't an option as far as I'm concerned, and
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  Speaker 3: I just wanted to get back up, get out and
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  Speaker 3: get back at And if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's were you afraid? I mean, did you
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  Speaker 2: have a sudden sense of terror when you learn that news?
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  Speaker 3: Do you know what it's It's always easy because this
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  Speaker 3: was in this was twenty five, just over twenty five
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  Speaker 3: years ago, And it's always easy, is he to say
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  Speaker 3: no or yes? Because memories change over time. I would
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  Speaker 3: I'd say I was. I was feeling pretty low and
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  Speaker 3: there was a point where I had spasms right that
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  Speaker 3: were hurting me so much. It was just pain that
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  Speaker 3: I'd never experienced before. And I cried like a baby. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I was faring because you know when you fit as
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  Speaker 3: anything and you think it invincible, and all of a
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  Speaker 3: sudden you just find out, oh, I'm not indisruptible. This
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  Speaker 3: this stuff, this real life stuff can get you. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, I know many others right have that realization
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  Speaker 3: at various times in our careers.
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  Speaker 2: Joe, what was it kind of an epiphanal moment? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: how did you feel initiate? Did you just accept that,
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  Speaker 2: oh I'm never going to walk again, or or did
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  Speaker 2: you have a sort of right I'm going to kind
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  Speaker 2: of beat this thing like you sort of seeing in
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  Speaker 2: the Hollywood films.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great question because that like A and E
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  Speaker 3: at Cardiff were really good at patching me, you know,
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  Speaker 3: doing the operation, putting the place in, they weren't so
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  Speaker 3: good and all due respective fantastic. NHS is brilliant. Spinal
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  Speaker 3: injuries is special. It's just like special forces in the minisitary.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you're in the General Ministry and then you
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  Speaker 3: go special forces and you have to specialize. Well, then
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  Speaker 3: I was moved because of the regiment I was with.
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  Speaker 3: They said where do you want to go? And I
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  Speaker 3: did my research and it was either stomp Vandeville. But
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  Speaker 3: that was the way because you can tell by my
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  Speaker 3: accent that I'm from the North. My family, my wife
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  Speaker 3: was in Kent. She didn't like driving. So if I
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  Speaker 3: want to get visitors, Southport Spinal Unit is the place
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  Speaker 3: because that's not High Liverpool. I suppose if you don't
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  Speaker 3: know where Southworth is and that is the top spinal
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  Speaker 3: injuries unit, and you know, I suppose the difference. And
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  Speaker 3: when you ask that question, that was a great question
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  Speaker 3: because because you would only given access to the gymnasium,
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  Speaker 3: or they got a pool as well for hydro therapy,
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  Speaker 3: or you can learn you can walk again, but it's weightless,
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  Speaker 3: so it's not putting any weight on you do you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean, he's doing water and you can
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  Speaker 3: have floats on as well. And what I discovered they said,
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  Speaker 3: you can only have so many signs per week, as
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  Speaker 3: we've only got so many physios and occupational therapist. But
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  Speaker 3: I discovered that sometimes people will book the time and
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  Speaker 3: then wake up in the morning say I don't feel well,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to do this, And I was gobsmacked
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  Speaker 3: because I'm thinking, what you're wasting resources for? So I
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  Speaker 3: used to find out who was booked down for training
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  Speaker 3: the next day, you know, to use the pool or
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  Speaker 3: the gym and what. As soon as I found out
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  Speaker 3: they weren't trying to make it because it worn't well
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  Speaker 3: and genuinely some a lot of the time they worn't
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  Speaker 3: well well. I just said, right, I'm stepping in. I
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  Speaker 3: want to go to the gym. I want to I
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  Speaker 3: want to get going. And of course my spinal cord
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  Speaker 3: wasn't severed, which means I can I can move right.
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  Speaker 3: My spinal cord was damaged. So I have numbness and
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  Speaker 3: have pins and needles all the time. But I just
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  Speaker 3: wanted whenever I had the opportunity to get training, I
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  Speaker 3: just did it because fizz is good for the mind,
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  Speaker 3: it's good for the body. It just sorts you out.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, it's very difficult, isn't it to be
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  Speaker 3: working out and be unhappy? Yes, because it just doesn't
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  Speaker 3: happen because you end alphings are firing off. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you've got all this you got all this energy just
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  Speaker 3: going on inside you, If that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no one ever regretted going for a run, did
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  Speaker 2: they No, unless they ran off a cliff. Maybe. What
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  Speaker 2: do you think do you still keep fit now?
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  Speaker 3: Joe? Well, yeah, I do. Actually something you may or
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  Speaker 3: may not know. It was eighteen weeks ago. And it's
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  Speaker 3: interesting you said, did I have the epiphany and did
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  Speaker 3: I think that it was the end of my life
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  Speaker 3: at that time? Well, we're going to talk about what
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  Speaker 3: happened when I was fourteen and when I died two
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  Speaker 3: and a half time. So it's if the connect be
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  Speaker 3: anything about having an injury anything good, it's the fact
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  Speaker 3: that and no matter what injury is, whether you stub
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  Speaker 3: your tol you track your finger or whatever. The next
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  Speaker 3: time it happens, you're able to deal with it differently,
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  Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? So when I broke
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  Speaker 3: my neck, I'd already had to say this injury when
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  Speaker 3: I was fourteen, so I had an idea about the psyche.
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  Speaker 3: And then what you may or may not know is,
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  Speaker 3: eighteen weeks ago I broke my neck again. That was
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  Speaker 3: an interesting one, and it was it was C five again.
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  Speaker 3: When I was lying there and you, I broke my
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  Speaker 3: neck because I'd done it before, right, and I know
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  Speaker 3: it's interesting. I said, well, if you fail and you
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  Speaker 3: do this, make the same mistake again, then that's not great.
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  Speaker 3: We'll break in your neck again. Isn't great, But it
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  Speaker 3: did give me some insight in how to handle it. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 3: I can move again, So I think the song that
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  Speaker 3: really gets me is Chumberwomba. I get knocked down, but
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  Speaker 3: I get up again. You're never going to keep you down.
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  Speaker 3: I love listening to that. It's just fabulous. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a great Rocky Bowbo quote, isn't it. It's
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  Speaker 2: not it's not how hard you get hit, it's how
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  Speaker 2: how do you get down and then get back? Up
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  Speaker 2: again and keep going forward.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Rocky and Rockie had to do that quite a lot,
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  Speaker 2: let's be honest, because he was a bit rubbish it
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  Speaker 2: taking the old punches on't he.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I love that series of films.
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  Speaker 3: I just think that I used to watch him when
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  Speaker 3: I was in the military. I just thought they were
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  Speaker 3: really good. As soon as you hear that trumpet fan
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  Speaker 3: for it's just gets you going. Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got the Rockie theme about. I put it
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  Speaker 2: about ten times on my MP three player, So it's
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  Speaker 2: not I don't use an MP three player now obviously
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  Speaker 2: using my phone, But what I mean is I'll put
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  Speaker 2: it in the playlist about ten times. So yeah, when
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  Speaker 2: I was running the length of the country, if it
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  Speaker 2: just kept coming around and get you.
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  Speaker 3: MP three playing. I used to have a sony, aren't
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  Speaker 3: we Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Carl Weathers died, didn't he was?
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  Speaker 3: It?
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  Speaker 2: Was it last year year before?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, does start making you think about your own mortality
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  Speaker 2: as you get older?
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't, especially I mean funnily, you should say that
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  Speaker 3: I've I've been recognizing lately a lot of my heroes,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the people I grew up with looking
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  Speaker 3: towards and saying, Wow, pretty cool. They're just falling off
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  Speaker 3: the edge now, aren't they.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, unfortunately, So Joe, before we come and talk
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  Speaker 2: about your childhood incident, you were in bomb disposal as
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  Speaker 2: part of the Royal Engineers. Have I've got that right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Where did you? Where did that take you?
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  Speaker 3: Well? You know when I was, when I was serving,
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  Speaker 3: we didn't have because when I was in the legs
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  Speaker 3: we got out wrap wrap one kicked off when I
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  Speaker 3: was out. When I rejoined, the is no conflict and
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  Speaker 3: I know I was. I got injured in nineteen ninety nine,
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  Speaker 3: so I didn't serve in any conflict earlier. So in
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  Speaker 3: that respect, I'm fortunate because you know, in times of
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  Speaker 3: peace you're trained for war, and in times of war
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  Speaker 3: you fight for peace. And at that time, we were
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  Speaker 3: just training like ten men to be the best that
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  Speaker 3: we could be a lot. Quite a few of my
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  Speaker 3: mates then went to Iraq and served there, and it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't that great for some of them, sadly, And you know,
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  Speaker 3: this is something that we lived with on a daily rasis.
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  Speaker 3: You know, some we've been fortunate, some we been less fortunate,
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  Speaker 3: and even even the ones who are living have difficulties
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  Speaker 3: with various aspects of PTSD and what have you. Whish
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  Speaker 3: we were talking about before.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I talked about PTSD a lot, Joe, because I
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  Speaker 2: meet a lot of veterans. I talked to a lot
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  Speaker 2: of a lot of veterans love this show, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'd hope they would because I'm just telling quite a
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  Speaker 2: lot through myself. I'm telling the veteran story. And one
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  Speaker 2: of the biggest things that most people flag up, even
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  Speaker 2: if they don't even understand it themselves, is it's the trauma.
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  Speaker 2: And and for most of us, this what manifests is
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  Speaker 2: a bit of a rubbish ability to deal with life,
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  Speaker 2: which is essentially what we're talking because if you take
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  Speaker 2: your own life, that is the ultimate sign you didn't
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  Speaker 2: know how to deal with life, right, And the sorry,
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  Speaker 2: what I'm getting at is the childhood trauma that it's
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  Speaker 2: not spoken about.
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  Speaker 3: And actually, when I after my incident, right because here's
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  Speaker 3: the thing about why I call it an incident, because
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  Speaker 3: I don't believe there's any accidents in life. I think
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  Speaker 3: that everything you do good are bad leading up to
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  Speaker 3: something that happens. An action or an incident is manufactured
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  Speaker 3: by the actions you've taken. So that's why police sites
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  Speaker 3: now they don't call them accident sites anymore, by analys
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  Speaker 3: they call them incident because something led up to it.
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  Speaker 3: So coming back to the PTSD, well, when I got
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  Speaker 3: in my mind that and I got back to work
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  Speaker 3: as a financial advisor, I really wanted to understand how
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  Speaker 3: the mind works, and so I went on a journey,
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  Speaker 3: my mission, if you like, and I learned about hippotherapy
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  Speaker 3: how that can help, and timeline therapy, which is a
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  Speaker 3: whole saying this magical and neural linguistic programming. Basically, I
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  Speaker 3: believe the military has been using NLP for hundreds of
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  Speaker 3: years because all it is is the language you say
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  Speaker 3: to yourself. You know, when you're on that tab and
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  Speaker 3: you're thinking, the little boddy on your shoulder or in
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  Speaker 3: your head says you can't do this, and the other
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  Speaker 3: one says, yeah, you can, come on, let's go. And
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  Speaker 3: that's all NLP. It's about the language that goes on
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  Speaker 3: in your head. And what I did is I discovered
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  Speaker 3: how how things can be overcome. And that's why I
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  Speaker 3: love working with veterans because I recognize that my clients
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: who can afford my services pay from the pay for
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: my services sold those I come across veterans who can't
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: afford the services. But do you know what I want
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: to help? So word I can't I do? And there's
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: no charge for that, because I think that we were
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: talking about it before, you know, and we touched on
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: it about as as I get old and out, I
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: want to give back, do you know what I mean?
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: I think it's important to leave a legacy of some
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: sort and if I if I can do something, if
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: I can affect someone's life in some way, to do
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: something that they wouldn't have done had I not been that,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: that's fantastic. You do it with you, You do it
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: with your son, you do it. I have don with
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: my sons, you know. And it's just being able to
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: leave that legacy and say, oh yeah, I remember Joe
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: said that or Chris said that, and and my mission
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: is to help one million veterans and entrepreneurs achieved the dreams,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: goals and aspirations they deserve. And whether it's to the podcast,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: I mean your podcast. Now, you've done hundreds of them,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: and I'm sure you're helping people that you weren't even
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: aware of that you've helped and this recording now you know,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: we may say something that's helped someone in some way,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: shape or form, which is fabulous. I think it's I
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: think it's a gift to me to be able to
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: do that. It's a gift for me to be on
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: your show.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: It's a gift to have you on the show.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Joe. Thank you.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, you're welcome. You're welcome. So you didn't serve
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: in Northern Ireland then, because that would have been no.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I had mates and I had mates in Northern Ireland
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: as well, and some interesting stories. I was very fortunate
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: in that respect. I didn't serve in any periods of
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: conflict and when I were my first posting to os
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Osands were in eighteen one, I did volunteer for the
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Falklands and as far as i'm were, and I think
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: this is truth what I'm saying. Because of the Cold
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: War at the time b a r British Army on
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: the Rhine, they never took any forces based in West
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Germany upset maybe the Marines maybe, but all the forces
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: were UK land forces that went to the Fartlands. So
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I did have a few mates that went though.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, it's that thing isn't it if you if
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: you might not have come back.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And if I hadn't been injured on selection,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I may well not have come back from IRA.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: And not just that, you might have had to kill someone,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: and I don't I don't think that ever ends well,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Joe for someone, No that I was on an aircraft
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: carrier for a year and the lad that had the
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: bunk bed above me he shot. He shot a young
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: lad in Northern Ireland in a in what was it
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: was a bombing situation, a command wire for anyone that
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: knows the terminal terminology. And I don't know if he
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: was always messed up, this lad in the bunk above me,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: or whether it was this particular instant, but he's no
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: longer with us. I would hazard a guess it was
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: probably you know, self medicating that took him young.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, something like that must weigh heavy on your mind.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I can only imagine because I've not been in that
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: circumstance at all, and a command wire, I mean, the
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: lives that could have been lost had he not taken
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: that shot may have been far greater than that one
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: individual that said, though, it's not easy, is it?
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: No, it's not. It's not so going back then to
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: when you were fourteen you were hit by a car
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: and left for dead.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was really interesting because I'm a Catholic.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I was brought up a Catholic. I was an ulster
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: boy and at fourteen my mum said to me when
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: I was thirteen at the time, actually she said, Joseph,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: you're going to Lord's to help the sick on a
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: pilgrimage from Liverpool Liverpool Cathedral. And I thought, one moment,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: summer holiday is what they want to do that far
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: And she said I'm fourteen, right or thirteen. It was
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: a day after my fourteenth birthday. We were leaving on
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: the twenty first of your line, and she said, Joseph,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: it's because I want you to understand that not everyone
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: is as fortunate as you are to be able to
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: run play. Some people have got terminal illnesses. So I said, yeah, okay,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: fir cop. So we tip up at Liverpool Cathedral and
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: I find as forty six kids get on this coach
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: and our chaperone was one priest, two nurses, two nuns
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: and three nurses who knew nothing about kids. Nineteen seventy
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: six right. Health safety were two separate words. They weren't joined.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: There wasn't health and safety. So we got down just
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: outside Paris and the police said, right, kids, off, you
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: get for the covert bak. So I go down and down.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: The coach jumped off and then I go blind. And
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: what seems like ten minutes later actually turned out to
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: be ten days later. I wake up from a coma
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: and there's this big, massive black guy turned out to
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: be a nurse, really lovely chap. Actually he's standing over me,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: said Joseph. He said, you were involved in a road
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: traffic incident. Forgive the crab French accent by the way.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: He said, you've broken both your legs tibulumphibia, you right fema,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: you paralyzed your right arm, you went blinding the left eye.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: You've been in a coma for ten days, and you
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: were a guy three times on the road side and
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: the nurse give you a kiss of life. Now, maybe
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: under different circumstances and may still would they'll be with
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: the nurse, But it didn't turn out like that. It
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: wasn't that sort of kiss. She's bringing me back and
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: then at that time, this is this is what you've done.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Before something happens that can give you, can make or
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: break you. Because I've been in the Army Cadets right,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: the Cheshire Regiment absolutly in witness and they think, girl,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: you might not walk again. And you know, because what
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: I've found is it depends who you tell walking to,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: and it depends who you're listening to. What message is
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: it going to give you? Because when you suffer an injury,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: if you want to be average, what a doctor's going
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: to or a surgeon or anyone or a nurse's going
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: to say to you what the average person does and
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: the outcome for them? Does that make sense?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Absolutely?
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Wellas I'm like before seeing I'm just thinking, well,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be average. I want to do
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: more than average. Because if I ever got bullied at skill,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: my dad had said to me go back and give
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: them a good iding or at least. Oh by the way,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not promoting violence or anything, but my dad had
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: just say go back and stick up for yourself. And
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: you know what, the bullies didn't bury me anymore, not
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: because I was harder than they were. It's just that
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: I wasn't an easy target anymore. So, so when I thought,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be average. So again, even though
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I had a full leg plaster on my right leg
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: and a half leg on my left leg, what I'd
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: do is I get I put myself so effectively, I
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: get my legs on the bed, my waist and legs
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: on the bed, and I do press up like I
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: played the violin again to get my right arm going
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: because I'd learned to play. I was learning to bread
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: the violin, so that got my right arm going from
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: being paralyzed because I just I just said, this is temporary.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Fortunately I'm not blinding my left eye permanently. It was
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: an infection, and I just think that if you before
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: you accept defeat, or before you accept the condition that
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: you may or may not have long term, just look
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: at what you can do to overcome it. And then
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: when I could, I had the long John silver crutches.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I had two half plasters on my leg, so I
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: was really fast because effectively I had three legs because
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: because my crutches in one leg, and then I've got
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: the other two and I'll beat everyone to school. I
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: used to go to school. It was about a mile
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: a mile going there and a mile back. And if
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: it was raining. I put plastic over my plasters because
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: it's just about improvised adapt and overcomers. And I didn't
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: even know I was doing it because I'm a fourteen
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: year old kid. I just knew that I had to
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: do something different if I wanted to get a good result.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: And then four years later had joined the Army and
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: I went to I don't know where you went for
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: your initial I went down to just outside Birmingham right
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: for the three days training to see if I was
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: fit enough. And I managed to get through it. I
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: managed to get through the psychometric test, the intelligence test.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: We've told them that I could add up and yeah,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I could get in.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: So Joe, thank you for that. I want to come
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: on to the financial stuff now, because you are one
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: of the UK's top rated financial advisors and an accredited
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: master coach. Yeah, can you just give us a quick
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: sort of synopsis or summary. How did you get into
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: this line of work, what did you initially do and
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: how did it bring you to where you are now?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: And then I want to look at your specific kind
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: of niche, you your style as it were, and what
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: brought you this success?
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Thank you well. Back in nineteen eighty eight, just after
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: the nineteen eighty seven crash when the whole markets went down.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: It was like two thousand and eight. And you know what,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: the banks never learned. It will happen again because because
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: it's fuel by greed, in my opinion. So I learned
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: a lot, and I've seen peaks and troughs. My clients
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: have been with me twenty plus years, some of them.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: And the one thing I've discovered is every year at
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: budget time, things change and that's life really, And what
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I've recognized is I have to conduct continuous professional development,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: just the same as we did in the military, which
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: is why the military set me up so great for it,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: because I understand every days of school day. And what
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I've discovered there'll been, in fact, have been some massive
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: changes in pensions since the last legit in the awesome
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: statement last year, because I like to specialize in pension
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: regime investments, looking at strategiesm And you know when we
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: were twenty well, I don't know about you. When I
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: was twenty, I wasn't thinking about retirement, no way. I
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: was too young. I was invincible. No one has got
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I was never going to get on. And yet now
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: they're looking at the retirement age for the state pension
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: has increasing. Sixty is now sixty seven, right, it will
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: got I reckon it will, it'll go. It's scheduled to
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: go up to sixty eight. It is going to go
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: up to seventy. I think that's just me forecasting. By
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: the way, I've got a proof of that. Although they
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: are talking about it moving inheritance tax and you see
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: what we've got And I'm not the doom and gloom merchant.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: This is fact. Like what we've got is an aging
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: population and we've got less and less kids being born,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: baby's being born. So what does that equal? It equals
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: because at the minute it's about every working person, every
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: four working people, between three and four working people supports
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: one retired person with the state pension. Back in the
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: days before Bevan, they did the NHS and all of that,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: and the social services banks. Our bank, the Bank of
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: England or the government at the time held a lot
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: of money on deposit gold and that supported our currency.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: That those days are gone now the way that the
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: government raises money through tax and national insurance and I mean,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I don't want to go into it too much because
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: I mean there's days of talking here, but that's what
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: runs the country. If you've got less people being taxed,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: guess what, You've got less money coming in. So they
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: have to increase the retirement age before they can start
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: paying for retirement retirement for pensioners. So what that means
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: is that people need to start thinking as early as
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: as they can about creating their own nest egg with
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: retirement planning, retirement strategies. And whether you speak to me
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: or another financial advisor, it's always a good idea to
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: speak to a financial advisor as soon as you can
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: a good financial advisor because they can give you strategies
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: tax strategies that you hadn't even thought of. And you know,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: the time you should allow is really with a good
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: financial advisor to build the first relationship is about one
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: two hours because that's where you can learn about learn
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: about things. And we were chatting about our time in
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: the minisity. There was no financial advice. There was no
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: In fact, it's not even talts at school. I go
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: into schools and I teach earliest modules and the head
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: the head teachers are always really grateful for it because
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: the kids all have it on the curriculum really and
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: understanding how money works is really really important. Does that
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: go to any way to answering your question or is
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: there anything else that I could cover?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: No?
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, So in could you just give us a short
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: span of your career? What did you you starting, what
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: did you move on to and how did it bring
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: you to where you are now?
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Great question, Thank you well. When I started, I started
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: back in the days we studied one aspect of financial planning,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: say a savings plan. We'd not get to know that
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: inside out, and then we would go out and present
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: it to clients. Then you'd learn about a pension, Then
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: you would learn about life insurance. Then you would learn
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: about a critical illness plan, which is something that covers
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: you should you should you have a serious illness. And
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: then I went into training financial advisors and being a trainer.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: And you'll know this because I know you've trained many
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: many people. You have to be one one step ahead
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: of your student, so you have to be either fit
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: or faster, more up to date with whatever you're teaching.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: And I found that that was really great for me,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: and that's the same with clients, because when clients come
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: to me, they want to know particular aspects of financial planning.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: They hadn't even thought about, for instance, looking at what
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: a person's a state, and whether they've got a will
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: or not, and whether they've got lasting power of attorney, which,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: forgive me, it is a technical term, but what can
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: happen if you lose capacity and you can't deal with
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: your own financial planning. Then you have an attorney who
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: can act on your behalf. So there's lots and lots
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: of things. It's a myriad of things. And what I've
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: had to do at the beginning of each year, usually
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: between Christmas and January, I look at what I think
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: is going to happen in the economy going forward, how
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I need to adapt, what I need to educate my
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: clients on. And it's always a changing a changing environment.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: And I think that we're probably in for an interesting
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: time in the future this year, becoming few years, because
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: there's lots going on, and there's lots of vying for position,
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: vying for power by ministers, people in government, and it
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: just affects the whole environment. And we were talking, weren't
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: we about what the media does, because you know, if
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: the media put on the news one o'clock news or
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: twelve o'clock, whichever news, right, there's got to be no
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: bread in the shops tomorrow. Well, guess what, I can
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: pretty much guarantee there'll be no bread in the shops tomorrow,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: not because there's a shortage, you don't or anything, just
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: because everyone will go out and buy a loaf of
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: bread because they're terrified by the media what they put
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: out there. So there was no shortage until they cause scarcity.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: And that happens in stock markets because guests who runs
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: stock markets. I'm sure that one day they'll get to
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: do it. But at the minute, it's people, and people
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: have emotions, and they might have a bad day at home.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: They may have a bad day with the wife or
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: husband or partner. They might have a bad day with
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: the kids. They might have a bad day with the boss.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: And then they come in with that attitude and then
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: they hear one thing on the news and think, bloody hell,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: let's sell, let's get out. And that's what happened in
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, eight and on. People relate to
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: two thousand eight. It started in two thousand and six
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: five six, when banks were just lending money. WILLI Lilly
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: and if you had the pulks, we'd give you one
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: hundred thousand pounds. We didn't want to laugh if you
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: could pay it, and that's greed. So I think that
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: regulation has brought that around, and I want to learn.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I was, I was scared at
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: that time two thousand eight, because I had clients and
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: them all the funds just went south. And it was
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: a time when usually when equities go up, guilts go down.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Guilts are like money that the bank guarantee, so that's
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: why it's like safe as houses suppose. And then when
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: guilts go up, equities go down because equities are invested
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: in companies. But in two thousand and eight everything went down.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: It was mayhem, Like I'm looking at clients. Clients are
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: on the phone to me. My phone is burning, right,
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: it's just off the hook, And all I can say is, right,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: you've fallen off. We've fallen off a mounting, because I
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: could just I could say that, couldn't I We've fallen
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: off the mountain. Just give us time to get back
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: up a bit of rehabilitation, and we're will be all right. Unfortunately,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: because they would have only experienced the loss like if
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: you buy if you buy one unit at a pound
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: and it goes up to what two pounds, and you
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: bought one hundred units, your investment has gone from one
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: hundred pounds to two hundred pounds. This is crudely speaking,
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: and this isn't financial advice. By the way, if you
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: buy one hundred units at one pound and the value
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: goes down to fifty pence, your unit holding is worth
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: fifty pounds. You will not experience that loss unless you sell.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Yes, So at that time I said, look,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: how desperate are you for the money? Well, we're not
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: joke because we invested for the mediums a long time, right,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: So let's hold it and guess what. From two thousand
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: and eight to now, it's grown exponentially. And I can't
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: say that will always happen in the future because I've
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: got no idea how many muppets are going to come
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: into power or how many muppets are going to be
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: broadcasting on the news saying things are bad. What I
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: can say is, of time's a great healer, and you'll
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: know that as well as I do. For most of
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: the things time will heal. It allows you to forget,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: except for some things like we were talking about before.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: So I found that using the three words we discovered
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: in the minissey and were taught improvised, adapt and overcome.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Bringing that in with education on a daily basis and
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: going on courses and being taught by mentors, cultures, you know,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: people who are better than you. Because I find that
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be the smartest person in the room.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I don't particularly want to be the dumbest person either,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: but I don't mind because if I'm the dumbest person
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: in the room, look how many people I've got who
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: were better than me, who I can listen to or
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I can watch and then emulate what they do, if
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: that makes sense.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: So I'm just probably jumping ahead a bit. But resilience, Joe,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: what you hear that word a lot. You hear it
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: in business, you hear it in coaching, you see it
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: on all the social media. What's deeper than resiliencying? Because
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: obviously it's just just a word, and it conjures up
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: images of just stiff up on it and keep going forward.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: And we all know that the life there's more to
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: life than that. So what do you what would you say? Resiliences?
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: And then I'll ever think about it while you're speaking.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, mate, Well what let me start by saying,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: when I look now on say LinkedIn or Facebook or
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Instagram or any of the platforms, I find it interesting
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: how many absolute people of amazing wisdom are intellect and
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: the best cultures and leadership people in the world, and
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: yet when I look at the actual history, they haven't
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: got maybe the life experience that would indicate that they're
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: able to do that, if that makes sense. And I
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: think that resilience because it is it is a popular word,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: and it just well was off the tone, isn't it.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I think that that some sometimes people are more interested
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: in how they look and the photo shopping and all
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: that than just going deep inside and just having to
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: sit down and just talk to yourself first of all
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: and saying where do we want to get to? But
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: before you do that, say where am I now? Where
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: am I now? Because you know we do that, don't we?
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: On odienations in map we have to discover where we
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: are and then where we want to get to, and
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: then how long is it going to say? Because what
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: our visa We're going to have in between? And that's
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: why I wrote the PATHFINDERBRUK program, because the resilience comes,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: I believe from having a dogged approach to knowing what
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: you want to get and success isn't a destination, it's
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: a journey, right, because as sure as eggs and eggs,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: there's no a to be a straight line that's not
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: going to work. So having the resilience, using that word,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: is being able to improvise, adapt and overcome, because I
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: think that's what I think, that's what resilience is recognizing
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: that something's not going quite to plan that you wanted
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: the way you wanted it to. You don't have dream journey,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: it didn't happen. So what happens when something changes and
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: how do you adapt to it so you can overcome
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: the challenges? Because when I don't know you, you understand
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: certainly the rudiments of sailing, right, And I sailed for
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: the regiment in the army, so it was a reasonable
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: level right in a two man dingy most of it,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: sometimes a little bit bigger of a craft. We could
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: never set off sail and think we want to get
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: to that point. And especially when you're going against the
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: wind and you're just going to go straight to it,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: you have to tack and then you get hit by
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: a wave and so you have to alter, you alter
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: your attack a bit. You have to pull the sailing,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: you have to lend it out, you have to fix
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: the GiB, you have to move the tiller. And that's life.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: So I think that life is a journey in a
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: dingy and the more, the more experience you get and
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: the more people you're impacting, the then he then becomes
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: a yot than a ship, a sailing ship. But it's
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: all going against the wind. You might be lucky and
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: you're on a run, so you've got the wind behind you,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: but every now and again you're going off to change tap,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: change direction and go against that wind, and that window
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: change can be fierce at times. So I think that
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: I'm a making sense here.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I think your spot on, Joe, it's while you were talking,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I was just thinking in my head, what what does
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: resilience mean? And obviously it's multifactated, but two of those
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: facets are definitely understanding that the tough part is equally
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: as important as the easy part. That you know, in life,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: there's no life without hardship. There's just a cushy, easy,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: you know, life that doesn't get you your end, your
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: end game, your end goals, and the other thing I
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: think this is a massive one. It's resilience is the
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: ability to stop trying to be like everybody else, you know.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: And I see anyone who watches my show knows. The
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: thing that upsets me the most about society at the
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: moment is, well, there's a couple of things. Is people
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: that don't say hello in the high street, and why
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: because they've just copied that this person doesn't or their
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: parents haven't done and and and it's it's I just
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: think when you see people. I mean I saw it
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: this morning. I was out for my morning run down.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I was down going down one payment. There's a bloke
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: on his way to work on the other and I'm
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: like this now completely zombified, you know, petrified of just
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: going all right mate. And this isn't a criticism of people, though,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: you know, if it is, I'm not apologizing. It's an
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: observation that what does that guy think he's going to
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: get out of life? He can't even say hello. He's
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: so scared and brainwashed by his media, by his social circle.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: I bet during the medical nonsense he was the first
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: person to whack a face mask on, you know, and
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: he's wondering why his life isn't getting him to where
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: he wants to go. So that's my contribution is, you know,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: if you want an exceptional life, stop trying to be
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: like everyone else, because everyone else strives for mediocrity. Insane.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: And you know, because when you were talking, that pins
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: something in my head because I say to what I
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: say regularly, and I say to my lads, I say,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: if you see someone without a smile, and give them
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: one of yours. And I get it as well because
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: when I'm walking along, I just say hello, how are
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: you doing, and they look at you first, especially when
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I remember I was speaking to someone the other day
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: and they said, London's a bit different now when I
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: work down in London, right, because I'm a latherner, right,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: and we're friendly people generally, and down in London it's
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: a fast paced life and maybe they just don't think
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: they've got time. And I used to cycle up a
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: conversation on the on the on the tube on the
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: underground and they look at me funny. I said, it's
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: all I'm not a weirdo. I'm from up north and
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: we like talking to people. And then they'd have a
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: laugh and start talking I think that, as you say,
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: if you want to if you want to be exceptional
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: and have exceptional results, you've got to do exceptional stuff,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: haven't you.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you just got to have the ability to think, well,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: if we get one life in this I always say
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: this set of moracles because I believe in eternal life.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: I think we're just energy, and in this form called
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Chris at the moment the energy is experienced in itself
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: through this crazy thing called evolution, and then the energy
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: will leave these molecules, they will disintegrate back and eventually
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: become particulate matter. Even photon photons go back.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: No, Hey, you're getting too scientific for me.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's I wish I understood it a bit more, Joe,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: But I just I understand the basics. And what I
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: understand is that in this one life, take it seriously,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: take yourself seriously. And I just would think it was
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: a crime if I didn't live out every single dream
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: that I ever wanted to a reason. I mean, you've
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: got to stop, you know. I mean, I don't intend
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: to adventure for the rest of my life, because at
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: one point I want to sit back and rest on
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: me Laurels a bit and have some memories and spend
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: more time, you know, spend even more time with my family,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: so to speak. But it's just funny. I mean, I
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: go on a lot of podcasts and I was on
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: one recently and the host was absolutely such a lovely,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: lovely guy. But he kept saying, ah, you Chris, yeah,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: just ah, you're bloated. And I was like, no, you
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: don't understand. I live an adventurous life because it's easier
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: than have a job and working nine to five. I
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: can't do that, you know, I cannot sit there in
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: that that that environment. And now you know, if people
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: have got a great job, I'm envious of them. I'm
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: not I'm not knocking people who work or anything like that.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying for me, I found it. I found
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: working for someone else's awful, awful, soul destroying experience. And
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: you know, it's far easier than to get your coffers
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: together and get a rowing boat, jumping it with your mate,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: chuck in a bottle of Jack Daniels and some scran
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: and then row across the Atlantic. It's it's that simple,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: plus a bit of safety. Obviously, you got you know,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: you've got to teach yourself, like, which way does a
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: compass point? Oh? That way? We want to go west,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: don't we. So we're going that way, mate. I mean,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: it's not really is not rocket science. And that way
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: you get some nice memories to look to.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: And what I loved about that description because because I
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: I've got a pretty good idea how much planning went
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: into just hopping into that boat with Jack Bangels and
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: a few sandwiches.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: That was the way you approached it, though, because it
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: was just a task to you. And yeah, you've got
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: all the detail. But sometimes good because my missus is
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: great at detail, and it'd be like, come on, let's go,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: let's let's advance, let's go. And then my missus and say, oh,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: what about your rations? What about yourself? I say, yeah, yeah,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: because I want to get forward and get on and
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: then you come back and you do your assessment and
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: the detail comes later. You just got to have that
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: vision to want to go and get it done, don't you.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And of course I'm being a little bit simplistic. Yeah,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, we put a year into fundraising, We spoke
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: with his charities a lot. We obviously had to get
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the boats see where you know, there's all of this,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: but I'm not starting the conversation with all that because
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I don't want to put people off doing it and
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. You've got to do it anyway. You
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: go and do your nine to five, and then you
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: come back in the evening. You dedicate maybe you know,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: a couple of hours to making your dream come true.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: But I'm not superhuman. I told you, if you come
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: to me of a row machine, I'll throw it out
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: the window. I don't want that mentality. I don't want
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: someone that thinks it's a physical challenge. I want someone
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: that thinks it's a fundraising challenge to raise awareness of
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: the fact our veterans are killing themselves as stupidly high rate.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: If you can't take that on board, I don't want
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I don't want you, because all you're going to be
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: doing is thinking it's some sort of macho stunt where
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: you've got to prove your your eger and I'm just
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: not that person. You know, it's anyone can get in
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: a boat and pull on a set of oars. If
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: you can't, then then I'd be worried.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: So, so yeah, I'm simplifying it a bit obviously, but
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: it's you know, I watched Blue Peter as a kid.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: I saw Yeah Peter duncan run and under marathon. Oh
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: my god, they made out. It was like the hardest
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: thing in the whole you know that he was doing
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: some sort of ninja test. But it was so good
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: to actually apply for the marathon. Myself didn't get in,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: so I found a charity that got me a place
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: and I went out. I did the training or you
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: get six months to train from when you know you're in.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: I was running across Dartmoor in the rain. I was
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: very proud of myself, Joe I was doing it. No
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: one was like I had a gun to my head.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I just decided I want to do this and it
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: felt good. And when I crossed that finish line three
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: hours fifty six, I'd actually beat Oh good blood, Yeah,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I'd beat the four hour, which, as they say, you know,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: if you're over four hours, you've walked some of it.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: If you're under four hours, you've run all of it.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: And that is so true. Yeah. I just want everyone
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: else out there to understand your mindset is what you adopt.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: It's not you don't inherit it. I mean you inherit
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: facets of it, of course. But what I mean is
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: anyone tomorrow, if you want to row an ocean, if
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: you want to climb a mountain, if you want to
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: run it, just decide, buy your ticket, pay whatever the
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: deposit is to whoever is asking for it. Then you're
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: in then aren't you, and the rest of it will
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: it will work And absolutely worst case scenario, y have
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: made your money that you need within a year, you
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: do it the next year.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: That's it, you know, and you just.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: You just got to commit, haven't you. You just got
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: to make sure that you committed.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Yes. Absolutely. I mean I'd love to start talking about Everest,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: but we'll save that for a private chat after.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Everest, that's into it. Because I've done Himalayas, I've
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: done unclimbed peaks and they were interesting. Everest, I mean,
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: hats off to your mate, good one.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people will criticize you for wanting
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: to climb Everest, and I think what comes out of
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: people's mouth is just about their ego. Really. The first
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: thing people say, Joe, when you you say that you're climbing,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: I don't care. People want to call it walking up
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Mount Fine. I don't have an issue with that. I'm
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: walking up Mount Everest. I've got sherp who I'm helping
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: out of poverty. Who's probably you know, who's going to
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: go with me. I've actually got.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Ya and the sheers. They when we when we did
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Sudenly got a crossroom mate, well, when when we were
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: doing an unclimed pete the right through this village and
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: in the earthquake, the school has been crumbled, like just
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: decimated and like these like this, like the gurkhas like
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: what what soldiers they are because when they go home
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: on lean back to Nepal, some of them have to
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: walk three days to get home. I mean, and I
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: don't have much money, and it's just amazing. So yeah,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: well done for doing what you're doing.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: And so you know, yes, I'm walking up Everest. I'm
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: enriching a sherpa's life by doing it. I'm bringing all
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: my rubbish back down with me because that's the law
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: in Nepal. I'm not going to rely on bottled oxygen
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: anymore than I have to, if at all, and even
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: if I do, you know, if I go scuba dive
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: into the deepest a human being can go. I take
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: bottled air with me. That's just you know, if I'm
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: climbing the highest mountain, you take bottled bottled air. Some
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: people are very fortunate and dedicated they can do it without.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: And you know this is it's not what we say
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: in the military. It's not a pissing competition. And so
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: what am I doing? Aim making a childhood dream come true?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Something I've been passionate about now for thirty years thirty
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: I mean thirty years as an adult. I've been reading,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: watching books, reading, you know, bonding, bonding and pretending and
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: all all of it. And in addition, if I sit
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: here at home and do nothing or maybe send out
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: a few emails, how can I raise awareness of the
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: fact we've got a veterans' mental health dilemma? And that
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: I think I'm the only person that he's saying we
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: need to look at unresolved childhood trauma in order to
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: understand veterans' mental health. I'm the only person saying it, Joe,
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: And yet I think it's absolutely it's the elephant in
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: the room that everyone's missing. And if I can shout
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: that from the highest mountain on the planet, I think
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: that's a good thing, you.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Know, And you just triggered something for me because you
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: know when I was doing when I was studying timeline therapy,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: hit therapy and non linguistic programming. Unsurprisingly to you, maybe
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: surprising to your listeners, is that the way we are
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: engineered is formulated at the age seven or before. Absolutely,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: so you're dead right on. It happens child trauma. Oh
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: you know when someone says, here you stupid boy, are
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: you stupid girl? Or you shouldn't do that, You can't
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: do that, You'll never be able to do that. And
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: it's when people as adults are still listening to that
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: vice And I'm like, what do you want to do
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: that for? Because that whoever said that to you A
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: was rude, B was out of order, and C you
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: could probably have done with a good kick up the
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: backside because they have not right whatsoever to say that
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: to you.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so it's all good. If someone wants to
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: criticize me for flying to Nepal, I won't disagree with him.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I'm burning up the carbon or whatever is it, you know,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: then then yeah, I think that's a whole nother narrative. Again,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: But the fact that I'm going to put together, you know,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: over thirty pounds. Is that's irrelevant because if I saved,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: if I even improved one life, that's priceless. Yeah, if
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I save one life, that's priceless. But I tend to
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: find and I do these things. The feedback and response
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: is utterly phenomenal from traumatized veterans, because they email me.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Some of them even come and when around the length
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: of the United Kingdom, they came and met me on
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: the side of the road. They brought me sandwiches and
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I sat in their car. Well, they told me their
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: story and how no one had ever got through to them,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: and still that until they started watching my videos as
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I was running along and they were listening, and I
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: was just you know, talking about healing, understanding, putting everything
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: into contacts, framing the fact we live our life. We
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: don't compare ourselves to anybody else. And even at your
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: lowest EBB, when you're living in a bin bag on
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: the street, you can still smile and say, thank you God,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: this is you know, who said there was supposed to
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: be anything more, you know, And so there we go. Sorry,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Joe just gone off on one there a bit.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: No no, no, in fact, no That was very interesting
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: for me because you know what, what I find, I'm
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: really a really really powerful process is twofold being grateful
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  Speaker 3: for whatever you have. If you wake up in the morning,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: that's a start, isn't it. Grateful for that, Grateful for smiling.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: The other thing, of course, is forgiveness, right, And I
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: heard someone say was I can forgive, but I'll never forget.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: And that's that when you're not forgiving and I and
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: if someone's done you abaddon at some point in your life,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: and every time you think of him, you get really
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: angry or really upset, and then you start eating away.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: The person or persons who did that don't know that
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: you're feeling upset, and if they did, they'd probably be glad.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: So you're the only one getting upset by not forgiving,
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: because that makes sense. So if you forgive them, it's
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: actually for you, not for them.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And also a part of building empathy is to
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: look at other people who've done you wrong and say,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: what was their life like? What was their dad like
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: to them? Was their dad available? Did they even know
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: who their dad was? Was he belting them, you know,
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: knocking them senseless every five minutes? Have they just pred
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: and what you'll find is you must know this when
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: you go to a military reunion and there's you know,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: maybe anything up to three hundred of you there and
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: you meet that person that you really ruck with back
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: in the day. You know, I've met people I've had
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: fisty cuffs with every it's not even mentioned, Joe. You've
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: all moved on, you've all grown up. You was kids,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? There's kids in uniform.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: You've all grown up. And so it's not about accepting
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: people's bad behavior towards you. It's about being able to
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: understand so you're not living in a delusion and that
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: you can frame it accurately and that sets you free
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: then to move on whilst building your empathy for other people.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: And yeah, spoke loos never supposed to be easy now
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: and yeah.
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: And being successful isn't easy either. You know when when
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: you hear there someone say, oh, you're really lucky. You are.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, it took me twenty thirty years to
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: be lucky.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Joe. Come on, tell me about your path
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Finder program and then we'll talk about your veterans work.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Right, Okay, Well, the path find there is something that
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: took me seven years to put together. What happened was
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: and I won't name any names, but I went into
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: wh Smith and I saw this journal and I think
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: it was like headliners, make this your best year, yeah,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: or something like that. So I owned the journal and
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: it was just full of blank pages. They had gone
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: to the trouble putting lines on them, but I mean
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: there was nothing written, and every no and again there'd
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: be a multivational statement from the Dalai Lama or someone
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: at the bottom to make you just think. And I thought, well,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: wouldn't it be great if because I was using the
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: military acronym kiss, keep it simple stupid? And I thought,
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: I'm no good at journaling, even though I've studied thousands,
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of hours, probably tens of thousands of hours,
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: when I still don't know how to journal unless you's
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: shown me. Do you know what I mean by our monkey?
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: See monkey? Do you show me what look good looks like?
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: And I'll do it, but if you just give me
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: a blank page and might not know exactly what you
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: want me to do. So I thought, I want to
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: create something, a guide that will get people thinking, so
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: it will take them from not knowing to knowing? Does
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: that makes sense? So the past find is in military terms, reconnaissance,
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: strategic advance, and ten and Charlie. If you don't know
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: what that means is recky get in behind enemy lines,
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: find out what's going on. Strategic advance the battle by
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: get stuck in, rowing your sleeves up and sort things out.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: Ten and Charlie's where you've been everyone to make sure
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: your rations are all. The rest of it supplies a
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: lot any injuries. So in the in the context of
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: the Past Finder, reconnaissance really short chapters a couple of pages,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: and the first one is make your bed, and you're
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: probably seeing Admiral h mc fadden google make your bed
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: and it takes you he was a seal and it
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: takes you through that. And it was when he did
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: a speech to university students and I thought that's great
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: because guess what in the British Army, and we've been
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: around longer than the American Army or Navy or marines,
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: make your bed? What does that mean for me? So
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: I wrote about make your bed. It's more than just
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: making your bed and hospital corners and all that. In
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: the bedpack. Making your bed is making sure you've got
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: a safe environment to come back to. So the reconnaissance
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: is about getting the mind sorted. Strategical Advance takes you
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: through really deep dive, and then Charlie is where you
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: record every week for fifty two weeks, and then there's
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: a four weekly review and a thirteen week review. Because
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: there's four thirteen it's in fifty two and it starts
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: doesn't start in the first of January. It starts whenever
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: you start. So I wanted to make sure that you
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: could make this your best year yet. And with the
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: past Finder, I have a twelve month money back guarantee.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: If it doesn't work for you and you haven't changed
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: your life, you get your money back. However, there is
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: one caveat. If you want your money back, you have
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: to send it to me and show me that you're
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: filled it in. If you send it back and there's
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: nothing completed, then I just say crack on, fill it
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: in and then see what it does for you. And
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: that's what the Pathfinder was all about. And it took
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: me and you don't reinvent the wheel. I've used stuff
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: from other things that I've discovered, I've used my own
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: stuff and I've just created the past Finder, which I'm
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: really enthusiastic about and you can probably tell by the
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: way I describe it and a way to look for
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: that you can go on Joe teams dot com, A
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: R E T E A M S dot com, Joe
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: teams dot com and that that's where you can find
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: everything about what I've created.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, absolutely absolutely. And so friends at home
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: they get in touch with Joe. I'm sure he won't
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: mind you getting in touch touch with him. No, no,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: no commitment at this stage your veterans work, Joe, could
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: you could you tell us is it transformation for veterans
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: working to build veterans lodges?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: And we've got planning permission for a number of lodges
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: up by near Aunton, part in Cheshire. And what I
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: what I found was, and I guess you'll understand maybe
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: about this, when there are courses, say for a veteran
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: and they go away to do a course of treatment
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: or therapy and they come back and they say, hey,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: my PTSD is a lot better now or my condition
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: is a lot better, and they've come back to the wife,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: husband or partner and maybe the kids and the partner says, well,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: that's great for you, what about us? And then water
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: find its own level again, doesn't it. So then the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: veteran or the ones still in the military comes back
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: down to a level because the family wasn't taken together
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: to the new phase or the next level. So the
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: lodges right, which we haven't built yet by the way,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: But I still help veterans with learning how to develop businesses,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: their own businesses, and how to network and that is
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: all found on the membership site. Well then my mission,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: like I said, is to help one million veterans achieve
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: the gens, goals and aspirations they deserve. And it's not
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: about having a pretty party either. It's about equipping the
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: family element, whatever the family is. The family could be
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: an individual veteran, or it could be with kids, it
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: could be with that husband and wife partner. And just
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: to show them a different way, because you know, if
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: someone was in a multiple scene and they're getting out
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: or they get out and they said you can't use
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: a mortar in CIV street, So what good am I? Well,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: it's not about firing the mortar. It's about what you
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: had to do to get to the position to fire
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: that mortar. Do you know what I mean? Does that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: make sense? And I think that often veterans forget that
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: because whether you want to settle your own business, get
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: a job with an employer who's really great, it's about
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: selling yourself and not selling the fact that you could
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: fire a mortar. It's about selling yourself that you've got
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: the discipline, reliability you can work in a you know
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: these people who put on a CV, I can work
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: as a team and I can work as an individual. Yeah.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Maybe if someone's been in the military, that's true. That's
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: definitely too shit that. I mean, they can do it,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: and they've got lots of soft skills. When I talked
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: to employers, if they put a ministy guy man or
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: woman against a city guy, do you know what use this?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: And And by the way, I'm not saying city is
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: stupid or rubbish or anything. I'm just saying that it's
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: a different mindset. And if you want to get if
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: you want to get stuff done, you want to get
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: shipped done, I'd like to give it to a vesteran
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: because I know that once I turn my back, they've
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: going to crack on. Because the sooner they get finished,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: the sooner they can knock off.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: So these lodges, Joe, have you have any been built
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: already or is this act we've got.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: We've just got a few things we're planning to clear. Well,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: I still we still help veterans anyway, and once this
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: is built, that's what I'm going to be doing next
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: to raise money. So maybe we can have a chat
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: about that as well. But we're raising money. It's a
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: big project. There's a multi million pound project. So yeah,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: and I'm just in the throes of doing some things
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: with the highways and planning to make sure it's right.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: So parting shot, then, Joe, what advice would you give
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: to people watching or listening now who are going through
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: adversity and it's been getting them down.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, First of all, I'd established where you are now,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: and by the way, I wouldn't stay there too long
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: because that's probably not a good place. Then decide where
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: you want to get to and by the way, if
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: you're if you're in a position. See like, here's another
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: thing about all these photo shop people on LinkedIn and
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: Instagram and all that who're saying, wow, you can make
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: millions in twenty four hours, Like there's no need to
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: say you want to get from A to B and
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: B the destination is you want to be a multimillion
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: ere because that might be a place you want to
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: be at some point. First of all, just the same
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: as when we used to go on a journey, we'd
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: set RV's, wouldn't we. So we're determining what RV. And
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: that's like the past, find that it goes through every chapter.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: It's not chapter one, chapter two, it's RV one, RV two.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: So you need to set out a concise, deliberate and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: strategic way to where you want to get to and
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: decided like the first one might be get out of
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: bed with a smile on my face. What a what
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: a cool thing to do. And then it'll be get
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: out of bed, smile on my face, go for a
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: go for a rock, then go for the job. Then
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: go for the job, or do better. Next time I'm
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: walking past someone, say hi, smile at him. Oh, if
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: you're already doing that, then it might be what's my
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: next hustle? So Winston Churchill said something which I always
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: think of when he said two things, never ever ever
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: give up or give in. And the other one is
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: when you're going through tough times. Keep going absolutely, Joe,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: that's bang on. That just leads me to say, stay
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: on the stay on the line, mate. Just when I
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: play this out so that we can I can continue
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: chat chatting with your wonderful self and also say proper
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: thank you. But for the purposes of recording this has
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: been fascinating chat Joe. I'm glad you survived your near
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: death experiences twice, so am I.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to see someone so chipper. And you know,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: as they say, raising the energy and friends at home
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: will put all Joe's links below, so if you want
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: to get hold of him, you can do so. And
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: that just leads me to say massive thank you to
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: all of you for watching special. Thank you to the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: people that support me on locals, Patreon or become a
• 1:06:28
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• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: benefits there, and I flashed up my Everest fundraiser. I'll
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: just give it another show. Thanks to everyone who's chipped
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  Speaker 2: in a fiver. Some of you have been chipped in
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: eat even more, but I've only asked for a fiver. Let's,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: you know, help me spread the message about the childhood
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: trauma stuff, folks, because it affects all of us, and
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: it's just not it's us not being talked about. It's
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: not been talked about. So there's a link below for that.
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  Speaker 2: There we go, massive love everyone, go steady. We'll see
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: you soon.
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