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• 0:066 secondsKristen, wilt thou have this man to be thy husband? I will. 0:1010 secondsWilt thou, Jefferson, have this woman to be thy wed wife? 0:1515 secondsWilt thou provide her with credit cards and a four bedroomedroom, two and 1/2 bath home? Will thou listen patiently to long stories about kids, cos, kitchen, 0:2323 secondsclothes, shoes, make a pair of sore feet, and decorate her chicks covers? 0:2828 secondsI will. I pronounce that Kristen and Jefferson are husband and wife. 0:3434 secondsIn every married life, there are certain key phrases that ignite the imagination. What's for dinner tonight, sweetheart? 0:4141 secondsYou don't like fish? 0:4242 secondsI love fish. It's just a little overwhelming to have uh the grouper. It's grouper. What are you going to do with your life? 0:5050 secondsQuestion is, what can I do? 0:5151 secondsYou have a BA in advance languages. What was your minor? Elizabeth and poetry. Let's not fight. 0:5959 secondsYou're not sleeping in this bed. Oh, really? 1:021 minute, 2 secondsAnywhere but in this room or in this bed. 1:041 minute, 4 secondsSo, what do you want me to do? Huh? Tell me. Tell me. Tell me. My parents are coming over this evening. 1:111 minute, 11 secondsThis is good. Jake, you're quite a barbecue chef. What is this? What is this? Dirt on here. 1:181 minute, 18 secondsIf I tell you something, may you promise not to get mad. Okay, I promise I won't be mad. 1:251 minute, 25 secondsI stopped taking the pill. 1:311 minute, 31 secondsand mixed emotions. And at the start of a brand new life, all changed. She's having a baby. You're growing up now. You're settling down. 1:441 minute, 44 secondsKevin Bacon, Elizabeth McGovern in a new film by John Hughes. 1:491 minute, 49 secondsIt's been 48 hours since our last coalition. My temperature is optimum. 1:521 minute, 52 secondsI'm ovulating. I have the pillow set up in the position. You can watch TV if you get bored. Here's to successful fertilization. 2:002 minutesShe's having a baby. She's having a baby. 2:192 minutes, 19 secondsHello. Hello. I'm Katie and welcome back to Retro, your pop culture rewind. Today we're heading back to 1988 to revisit 2:272 minutes, 27 secondsShe's Having a Baby, which is a more personal entry from John Hughes that we'll get into. This time he steps in as both writer and director, one of the 2:362 minutes, 36 secondseight where he does do that. It's a look at marriage, expectations, and growing up with a little bit of that Hughes 2:432 minutes, 43 secondshumor and anxiety mixed in. And as always, we'll check in on what else was happening in 1988 with a quick time 2:502 minutes, 50 secondscapsule. Joining me is returning guest and someone clearly not afraid to explore a very different corner of film 2:582 minutes, 58 secondsgenre in the podcasting world. He is the host of a fairly new show called Bloody Sam, a peck andpaw fan podcast. That's a mouthful. 3:093 minutes, 9 secondsWelcome back, Scott Murphy. I guess I should have thought about that when I named it give give a less complicated name. But I think I don't know. I 3:183 minutes, 18 secondsthought if I just called it Bloody Sam, people who are Peck and Pie fans know that his nickname is Bloody Sam. But if somebody 3:263 minutes, 26 secondsif somebody stumbled across it, they might need further context. So I thought I thought I give it the longer name, 3:333 minutes, 33 secondswhich is needed for me. I needed it. So that was smart. Now you also host all 90s all action. 3:403 minutes, 40 secondsApparently, my specialtity is is creating podcasts with complex names that people don't remember. Like, it's No, it's it's fine. It's fine. So, it's all 90s action all the time. 3:523 minutes, 52 secondsYes. And I like that. I like the genres that you choose to cover. So, you've been on talking about your action podcast, but tell us a little more about your peck and paw show. 4:034 minutes, 3 secondsYeah. So, it basically I I know this season of your podcast is on the director's chair network. Ryan, who is 4:114 minutes, 11 secondsthe chief of the director's chair network? He reached out to some people who had previously been on the last action heroes podcast network and he was 4:204 minutes, 20 secondslike, "Is anybody interested in covering any director?" And I was like, "Oh, I wonder." And I thought about directors I might be interested in in covering. Sam 4:284 minutes, 28 secondsPeekenpat is a director who I'd seen a handful of films from but we didn't know all of his filmography but I thought he 4:354 minutes, 35 secondswould just be an interesting figure to explore because I think he arrives at an interesting period in Hollywood. He kind 4:434 minutes, 43 secondsof explodes in that that kind of new Hollywood wave in the kind of late60s. 4:494 minutes, 49 secondsOkay. and and also I thought he'd be interesting to cover in the kind of current climate because if s peeka is a 4:584 minutes, 58 secondsdirector who very much from the outside you might think is like the very embodiment of toxic masculinity what we 5:065 minutes, 6 secondscall toxic masculinity right now and but the reason I enjoy his films or or or certainly enjoy some of his films is 5:155 minutes, 15 secondsbecause I feel that while he is the embodiment of toxic masculinity in some ways. He also satizes 5:235 minutes, 23 secondstoxic masculinity and and masculine codes and that kind of [ __ ] as well. 5:305 minutes, 30 secondsSo, he's like this interesting. I I I find him a fascinating figure. 5:365 minutes, 36 secondsWell, I am glad that you're doing it because you're introducing me to him. I was completely unaware of his existence. 5:435 minutes, 43 secondsI don't know what that says about me, but everywhere you can find podcasts, you can find the Peck andPot podcast. It is also on the director's chair network, 5:525 minutes, 52 secondsas Scott mentioned, as this season of John Hughes is. So, if you're listening to this on 5:595 minutes, 59 secondsRetroAde feed, go check out the director's chair network. It not only has this season of Retro covering John Hughes, but it has some really 6:086 minutes, 8 secondsinteresting coverage of other directors that typically aren't the super super big hitters that everybody covers. So, 6:156 minutes, 15 secondssome of them you'll know most of them, but they deserve a little love. And so, go over there and check out some really interesting coverage and some great 6:236 minutes, 23 secondsmovies, good discussions. So, and if you're listening to this on the Director's Chair Network, come check out RetroMade. Last season we did Patrick 6:326 minutes, 32 secondsSees and Kurt Russell. Now I think we need to set the stage to get into the 6:396 minutes, 39 seconds1988 frame of mind. Scott, I know you were just a wei one probably in 1988. 6:456 minutes, 45 secondsI was I would have turned three in the September. 6:496 minutes, 49 secondsYeah. So I'm getting my excuses in early. So you know again want to mention as I mentioned on the previous two appearances I am Scottish. So, a lot of 6:586 minutes, 58 secondsyour American references go over my head. And I was three. I I wasn't I for most of the year I wasn't even three. I 7:077 minutes, 7 secondsdidn't turn three to the September. So, like Okay. Okay. I will I hear you. I was a 7:147 minutes, 14 secondslittle bit older. I turned seven in August of the year. So, I have a few years on you. I will say we did cover on this season 7:227 minutes, 22 secondssome of the categories on the RetroAde trivia wheel in the great outdoors episode. So 7:297 minutes, 29 secondsgo check out more trivia and coverage of the great outdoors if you would like. 7:347 minutes, 34 secondsBut Scott, if we come to a category we've already covered, we'll just spin again. Cool. 7:397 minutes, 39 secondsI'm going to spin on your behalf and let's see what category we come to. 7:507 minutes, 50 secondsThis is fair game. Big screen time machine. Great. 7:567 minutes, 56 secondsThis would be top movies at the box office for 1988. Okay. 8:048 minutes, 4 secondsAnything coming to mind? I have hints for you, but for 88, no, for some reason like 88 is 8:118 minutes, 11 secondslike there's certain years of the 80s where like 82 and 87 and 89 that I can 8:188 minutes, 18 secondsthink of like movies come straight to mind, but 88, for some reason, nothing's coming to mind. 88. 8:278 minutes, 27 secondsMaybe some clues will help you. A groundbreaking animated film where cartoons and humans interact in a noir style mystery. 8:368 minutes, 36 secondsOh, this was my favorite film as a child. It's Who Framed Roger Rabbit? I love that film. 8:428 minutes, 42 secondsIt is. I remember going to the theater in our town like the matinea showing of it. I can vividly remember that. Loved it. 8:518 minutes, 51 secondsSecond one, a comedy about an African prince who travels to America to find a wife. Ah, coming to America. I'm a big Eddie Murphy fan. 9:009 minutesAre you? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I love Eddie Murphy. 9:049 minutes, 4 secondsI'm not like I don't like dislike him, but I'm not a huge fan, but I love Coming to America. That is such a good movie. 9:109 minutes, 10 secondsYeah. Yeah. And like I say I love Eddie Murphy, but because I became a fan in the 80s and 90s and then so I've sat 9:189 minutes, 18 secondsthrough a lot of terrible, terrible 2000s Eddie Murphy comedies for my sins. 9:259 minutes, 25 secondsI hear it. I Yep. Boomerang I also remember being really good for some reason. Or maybe I was just at the age where I liked that. I'm not sure. 9:339 minutes, 33 secondsThat's a That's a nice film. I remember that being I remember weirdly. I don't know. Maybe it's just the Eddie Murphy factor, but it's not the kind of film I 9:409 minutes, 40 secondsnormally watch as a kid because it's a romantic comedy, but I remember enjoying it. So, same. And I don't even like romantic comedies, but for some reason, I liked that. I'm I'm not sure. 9:499 minutes, 49 secondsThis next movie I'm kind of embarrassed to say I've not seen. Oh, okay. 9:549 minutes, 54 secondsIt is a dramdy. dramdy featuring a radio DJ in Vietnam delivering laughs and poignant moments. 10:0310 minutes, 3 secondsAh, Good Morning Vietnam. The Robin Williams. Yeah. Have you seen that? 10:0810 minutes, 8 secondsYeah. Yeah. I also I've seen a lot of Robin Williams films actually as well. 10:1310 minutes, 13 secondsLike there's like certain comedians from the 80s like Ron Williams and Steve Martin and Eddie Murphy that I've seen quite a lot of their films. I enjoy 10:2010 minutes, 20 secondstheir work. So yes, I have seen Good Morning Vietnam. Do you recommend? Yeah, I think it's a good film. Yeah. 10:2910 minutes, 29 secondsYeah. Yeah. I think it's, you know, like it's up there with Rob Million's most iconic performances. I Yeah, I would I would recommend it. Yeah. 10:3610 minutes, 36 secondsI will give that a go. I'll add it to the ever growing list. The next one really, really good, too. This is This is an actor that like you said, oh, I'm 10:4510 minutes, 45 secondsa big fan of Robin Williams, etc. This is a comedy actor that I love, like always have, especially his 80s stuff. 10:5210 minutes, 52 secondsOkay. It is a heartwarming story about a boy who wishes to be grown up and wakes up as an adult. 10:5810 minutes, 58 secondsAh, it's big. Mhm. 11:0211 minutes, 2 secondsYeah, that's a great film. I Hanks in the 80s, man. 11:0611 minutes, 6 secondsYeah, I love those films as well. I think maybe just cuz I saw them when they were when I was young, but I love Big and Splash and Turner and Hooch and 11:1511 minutes, 15 secondsand even Dragnet, which a lot of people are not big fans of, but yeah. 11:2111 minutes, 21 secondsI I need to find a way to cover Splash and Turner and Hooch. I love Maybe I'll have to do a Tom Hanks season. I don't know. 11:2811 minutes, 28 secondsYeah. Oh, that that'd be that that'd be great. I would definitely I if you'd have me back, I'd definitely come back for that. I would definitely have you back. 11:3711 minutes, 37 secondsLast one. These are all bangers. Yeah. Now, this is a great list. 11:4311 minutes, 43 secondsUh except for the me not saying Good Morning Vietnam, but the last one is a sequel to a hit comedy. 11:4911 minutes, 49 secondsUhhuh. featuring an Australian adventurer and his romantic escapades. 11:5511 minutes, 55 secondsOh, is this Oh, is this Crocodile Dundy Too? 11:5911 minutes, 59 secondsIt is. I think I even watched fairly recently within the last year, I did a marathon of the Crocodile Dundy movies 12:0612 minutes, 6 secondsand they are so good. Even the last one, like the third one is still pretty good. 12:1012 minutes, 10 secondsYeah, the third Yeah, the third one's not as good, but I guess it's still it's a long time since I've seen that one. 12:1612 minutes, 16 secondsI've seen the other two much more. I remember watching the first one quite a lot. I'm sure I drove my mom crazy, you 12:2312 minutes, 23 secondsknow, just constantly quoting the the line, "That's not a knife. This is a knife." Criy. Oh god, I love Crocodile Dundy. 12:3412 minutes, 34 secondsYeah, poor Australians have to listen to Americans bad Australian accents all the time. Just quoting that movie. 12:4112 minutes, 41 secondsI mean, it's the same with British people. Yeah, mainly quoting that film. 12:4612 minutes, 46 secondsAnd also there's an Australian soap called Neighbors which is very popular in the UK. So we always I've heard of that. Okay. 12:5412 minutes, 54 secondsAll right. You did pretty good. You got every single one of them, didn't you? Good job. Yeah. 13:0013 minutesLet's try another category. See how you fare. Yeah. 13:1113 minutes, 11 secondsNo. Retro retro runway. So, this is trends, fashion, etc. 13:2013 minutes, 20 seconds1980. 13:2013 minutes, 20 secondsI don't think I know fashion trends from my own time. Never mind from before my time. But let let's see how badly I fail at this. 13:2813 minutes, 28 secondsScott, have you seen movies? 13:3013 minutes, 30 secondsThis tells you everything you need to know. 13:3213 minutes, 32 secondsI guess that's true. I guess that's true. Okay. Okay. 13:3613 minutes, 36 secondsThis one's pretty easy, I think. Which denim trend in the late 1980s was characterized by a faded, worn out look 13:4413 minutes, 44 secondsand was commonly worn with oversized jackets? Oversized jackets. Faded, worn out look. 13:5313 minutes, 53 secondsIt's the It's a type of jeans. Jeans. 13:5813 minutes, 58 secondsLike feel like I should know this. 14:0014 minutesYou will know it. It's blank blank jeans. Like it's a it's like a treatment that the genes have gone through. to look a certain way. 14:1114 minutes, 11 secondsThe treatment makes them like faded. Okay. Kind of worn out looking. 14:1614 minutes, 16 secondsIs it like this might be stupid, but is it something like stonew wash or something or something? 14:2414 minutes, 24 secondsThat is very good. That is a thing. 14:2814 minutes, 28 secondsAnd you're No, but it's not the right thing. 14:3014 minutes, 30 secondsIt's not the right thing. It's very similar though. This is acidwashed jeans. Ah, okay. You've heard this, right? Yeah, I have. 14:3814 minutes, 38 secondsI have. I have. I have. Yeah. 14:4014 minutes, 40 secondsOkay. Now, what practical yet controversial accessory from the 1980s became a staple for both men and women 14:4814 minutes, 48 secondsfeaturing a small pouch worn around the waist? And to my dismay, these have come back. 14:5514 minutes, 55 secondsA small pouch worn around the waist. Is this Do travelers al often wear them? 15:0415 minutes, 4 secondsIs that Is this like a traveling thing? 15:0615 minutes, 6 secondsYeah, but people would Yeah, like instead of a purse and even men would wear them. You can picture like also those like nylon. 15:1415 minutes, 14 secondsI've got an idea in my head. I think we call them something else in the UK. Okay. 15:2115 minutes, 21 secondsIs it a fanny pack? Is that It is a fanny pack. 15:2515 minutes, 25 secondsOh my god. Yeah. Yeah. We don't call them that in the UK for very specific reasons. But does fanny mean something else there? 15:3415 minutes, 34 secondsYes. 15:3715 minutes, 37 secondsIt does. It doesn't mean what it means in America. So, we call them bum bags is is what we call them. Yes. Cuz funny is 15:4615 minutes, 46 secondsa a rudder term in the UK than it is in the States. 15:5115 minutes, 51 secondsIt's interesting. I love those those minor differences. Yeah. But they're like in the last however many years like 15:5815 minutes, 58 secondsbasically the same thing. It's just people wear them around their shoulders now. And I hate it. It's I don't like this. Okay. I didn't realize they'd made 16:0616 minutes, 6 secondsa comeback. I just because I think of them as very much part of my younger childhood, but they kind of faded out. 16:1216 minutes, 12 secondsBut yeah, you know how all the horrifying trends come back like mullets and these fanny back. There's just like a slightly different spin on it, you know? 16:1916 minutes, 19 secondsYeah, that's true. I don't know if it Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was a Kiwi thing or it was like a a kind of fashion's coming back thing, but I've seen a lot of mullets on younger men recently. 16:3016 minutes, 30 secondsIt's It's not a good look, let me tell you what. Yeah. No. 16:3416 minutes, 34 secondsAll right, let's find one more question for you. You're doing very good. I'll try and keep you 10 out of 10 here. 16:4116 minutes, 41 secondsOkay, this is I think this is easy, but Okay. 16:4416 minutes, 44 secondsWhich classic sunglasses style popularized by films like Top Gun and Risky Business became a fashion 16:5216 minutes, 52 secondsstatement in the late '80s with a distinctive frame design. 16:5816 minutes, 58 secondsTop Gun. What do they wear in Top Gun? 17:0217 minutes, 2 secondsIs it aviators they wear or rebands or I can't remember? It says Rayban wayfarers and aviators. 17:1117 minutes, 11 secondsI'm not certain what wayfarers are but yeah I'm not sure what I understand what aviators are like things but like I yeah 17:1917 minutes, 19 secondsI'm not sure what wayfairers are but okay good stuff. I did get that right. 17:2417 minutes, 24 secondsYou did. All right. Scott, would you like to do one more category? 17:2817 minutes, 28 secondsSure. I'm I'm kind of sweating now. But I know but yeah, you're on a roll. That's why I asked him like, "Do you want to do you want to quit while you're ahead or Oh, man. 17:3617 minutes, 36 secondsYou're rolling the dice." Um, classic game show mistake. 17:4117 minutes, 41 secondsOkay. I was like, "That's really on the line." Boombox bangers. So, this should be easy sort of songs, right? 17:5017 minutes, 50 secondsUm, yeah. But again, I was very young and again the UK charts are very different to the US charts. 17:5817 minutes, 58 secondsParticularly in this era they are. But wouldn't you say like the top 50 are all kind of the same? Just take 18:0618 minutes, 6 secondsthe top 50. No. No. I wouldn't say I cuz I mean some bands are like for example just to give you a '90s example. Okay. 18:1318 minutes, 13 secondsLike in the UK Oasis were like the biggest band in the country in the '90s. 18:1918 minutes, 19 secondsAnd they'd be like what in America? I don't know. Top 50, top 100. I don't like when Wonder came out. They I think that 18:2718 minutes, 27 secondswas number one here for a while. Like they had number one songs here. Okay. Okay. 18:3218 minutes, 32 secondsNow there is one exception just like an artist that just did not cross over that apparently is huge there. Not here. 18:3918 minutes, 39 secondsRobbie Williams. We don't that's we don't know him. 18:4418 minutes, 44 secondsYeah. Fair. Fair enough. Yeah. He was huge in the UK and and and in Europe like in the in the late 90s, early 2000s. He was he was massive. But yeah, 18:5318 minutes, 53 secondsI mean like there's some there's just some acts that don't. For example, I know that like cuz I'm a rock fan like 19:0119 minutes, 1 secondin the 90s, even though they come from the UK, Bush had quite a few hits in the US and did almost nothing in the UK. 19:1019 minutes, 10 secondsOh my gosh, I loved Bush. That was my very first concert ever was the Bush concert. I I mean Gavin's handsome, too, so that always helps. 19:1819 minutes, 18 secondsI guess he's Yeah. 19:1919 minutes, 19 secondsYou know, these are pretty big. Like you hear them on radio years after they were a hit. I mean if they remain popular. 19:2719 minutes, 27 secondsYeah. Yeah. So we'll see. Number one song 1988. Really good one. Okay. 19:3319 minutes, 33 secondsWith a good video, too. Which 1988 hit song? 19:3819 minutes, 38 secondsI'm going to try and rephrase it to make it harder. Okay. 19:4219 minutes, 42 secondsHit song features a famous riff and helps solidify his solo career after his success with Wham. 19:5219 minutes, 52 secondsFaith George Michael. Yes. Yeah. See, very good. Okay. That is a pretty big song. Yeah. 19:5919 minutes, 59 secondsThat that would have been similly massive in the UK. So now the next one is an Australian band. 20:0520 minutes, 5 secondsSo okay, you know, up for grabs. 20:0820 minutes, 8 secondsThe name of the song became their biggest US hit in 88 and it featured a sultry groove and the and iconic vocals of their lead vocalist. 20:2020 minutes, 20 secondsOh, Michael Hutchkins is the lead vocalist. 20:2320 minutes, 23 secondsYeah. No, I know it's name of the band. In in excess. 20:2820 minutes, 28 secondsYes, in excess is the name of the band. It's like is it like Need You Tonight or something or something tonight? You know, it is Need You Tonight. 20:3720 minutes, 37 secondsYes. Great song. Great song. Yeah. Yeah. 20:4020 minutes, 40 secondsThe next one is a former beetle released this hit marking his major comeback with a catchy feel-good track. 20:5020 minutes, 50 secondsCatch you feel good track. Former Beetle. Is it McCartney? 20:5620 minutes, 56 secondsIt is not Harrison. It's going to be George Harrison then 21:0321 minutes, 3 secondswith Oh, it's Oh. Oh, I do know what it is. Oh, it's Oh, I can picture the video. 21:1121 minutes, 11 seconds[ __ ] What's the name of that song? 21:1821 minutes, 18 secondsYes. I've got my mind set on you or stuck on you or something like that. 21:2221 minutes, 22 secondsYeah, got my mind set on you. My humming is not helpful, but Okay, you're Oh, there's two more. I think you're gonna get them. I think 21:3021 minutes, 30 secondsyou're going to get uh 100% here. This song became a viral meme decades later with its unforgettable line. 21:4221 minutes, 42 secondsOh, is it Never Going to Give You Up by Rick Ashley. How did you know that? 21:4621 minutes, 46 secondsOh, cuz Rick Rowling was like I mean I'm I'm prime early 2000s internet culture. So Rick Rowling was massive. 21:5621 minutes, 56 secondsSee, I barely gave you a hint. Very good. Never Going to Give You Up by Rick Ashley. 22:0222 minutes, 2 secondsBoy, I don't even know how to describe this song without giving it away. Iconic guitar riff. 22:1022 minutes, 10 secondsOkay. Most famous rock anthems of the era. Iconic guitar riff. 22:1922 minutes, 19 secondsVery famous guitarist. 22:2222 minutes, 22 secondsOkay. Is it like very specific look to him? 22:2622 minutes, 26 secondsOkay. So, I'm trying to think. I'm going to guess it's Guns and Roses. Is it Guns and Roses? It is. 22:3422 minutes, 34 secondsOkay. So, is it like is it Sweet Child of Mine? It is. Yeah. Okay. Great. 22:4222 minutes, 42 secondsVery good. Oh my gosh. You see, you didn't think you were going to do very well at all. And there you got every single one of them correct. 22:5022 minutes, 50 secondsThat's Wow. Yeah. 22:5322 minutes, 53 secondsI I performed what I thought I was going to do. Mhm. Scott, shall we get into She's Having a Baby. 23:0623 minutes, 6 secondsShe's Having a Baby was released February 5th, 1988. Had you seen this before? 23:1323 minutes, 13 secondsNo, I had not seen it before. 23:1623 minutes, 16 secondsI kind of don't think I have either. I might have caught maybe a few pieces here and there, but I I think this was 23:2223 minutes, 22 secondsmy first viewing as well. So, if you are listening or watching and you also have not seen She's Having a Baby, it follows 23:3023 minutes, 30 secondsa young couple, Jake and Christy, as they navigate the early years of marriage, balancing career uncertainty, 23:3723 minutes, 37 secondssuburban expectations, and the growing pressure to start a family. Through humor and anxiety, the film captures the often messy transition from carefree 23:4623 minutes, 46 secondsyouth to the realities of adulthood and parenthood. This sounds a little different from other John Hughes movies, doesn't it? Yeah. No, absolutely. 23:5523 minutes, 55 secondsDefinitely a different track to, you know, a lot of his a lot of his films which are either kids films or 24:0224 minutes, 2 secondsthey're they're teen films. You know, they're not not a lot of more adult films. This one seems like 24:1124 minutes, 11 secondsprobably the most autobiographical for John Hughes for a few reasons, but yeah, I mean, aside from kind of the family 24:1724 minutes, 17 secondsmishap type movies and the kid- centric and the teen movies, this one is the only one that seems to focus on the 24:2524 minutes, 25 secondstrials and tribulations of of post college and and what that means as in this case for Jake and Christie. So, 24:3424 minutes, 34 secondsJohn Hughes, as I mentioned at the top, both directed and wrote this particular movie. And he took it really hard 24:4224 minutes, 42 secondsbecause he felt a personal connection to it. I think he even said in the credits it was inspired by his wife. 24:4924 minutes, 49 secondsYeah, that does come up at the end of the movie. Yeah. Yeah. Like at the end of the credits. 24:5324 minutes, 53 secondsAt the end of it did not perform well at the box office. So, he took that really hard. 24:5824 minutes, 58 secondsIt was a $20 million budget and and grossed only 16 million worldwide. 25:0425 minutes, 4 secondsI mean, as evidenced by the fact that neither of us had seen it, it is a a little bit lesser known. Despite having a a nice cast, it's PG-13. The IMDb rating is six. 25:1625 minutes, 16 secondsDo you think that's fair? 25:2025 minutes, 20 secondsYeah, I I think it's like I think it's relatively fair. I might put I might put it a little higher cuz when I watch things I kind of like put them in my 25:2925 minutes, 29 secondsletter box and you know for letter box I I was kind of between giving it a three and a three and a half and I gave it a three and a half in in the end. So 25:3725 minutes, 37 secondsyeah, I might rate a bit higher than that because I would say a six is like a kind of three stars but I I don't think it's unfair. 25:4325 minutes, 43 secondsRight. Same same. Now Kevin Bacon is the star here. He plays, his name is Jefferson, but he goes by Jake Briggs. 25:5425 minutes, 54 secondsKevin Bacon had quite the moment in the 80s and 90s. And I think he looked really, really good. The hair of him and Alec Baldwin in this. It was just so of 26:0126 minutes, 1 secondthe time. And you know, it kind of got me thinking because Kevin Bacon hasn't come up yet, I don't think, in a movie that I have covered on Retro. So kind of 26:1026 minutes, 10 secondswanted to explore him a little bit. So sure, you know, he's the whole six degrees of Kevin Bacon, you know. So, I looked into the origins 26:1826 minutes, 18 secondsof that cuz I didn't really know. And um so if you also didn't know, I guess it started in '94. I I sort of thought it 26:2526 minutes, 25 secondsstarted earlier than that, but some college students were watching Foot Loose and a commercial for another Kevin Bacon movie, The Air Up There, was 26:3326 minutes, 33 secondsairing. So they were discussing how Kevin Bacon seemed to be in everything and recalled a quote from a magazine interview that he did for Premiere 26:4126 minutes, 41 secondsmagazine where he claimed to have worked with everybody in Hollywood or someone who's worked with them. So it has become 26:4826 minutes, 48 secondsa trivia game challenge based on the six degrees of separation. 26:5326 minutes, 53 secondsYou can connect given any actor in six steps or fewer based on a share shared movie or TV credits. 27:0127 minutes, 1 secondDid you ever play this game? I didn't. I don't think I ever really played it, but it it comes up. 27:0527 minutes, 5 secondsYeah. I know. I definitely Yeah, I feel like I I feel like I have in uni. Yeah. 27:1027 minutes, 10 secondsLike because I that would have been even though it's obviously been around since the '9s, that's would have been when I first would have come across it in the 27:1727 minutes, 17 secondsearly 2000s, I think, with like was it the first time? He's definitely worked with a lot of people. 27:2327 minutes, 23 secondsI dig Kevin Bacon. I like a lot of his movies. Like he kind of seems to stay out of trouble. I love that he you know this long relationship with Kira 27:3127 minutes, 31 secondsSedwick. They have this little hobby farm that they post videos about. It's really It's cute and sweet and they seem just like a normal couple. So, I kind of like that. And he's aging very nicely. 27:4327 minutes, 43 secondsSo, I I'm a fan of Kevin. Do you have any thoughts or fandom or not? 27:4927 minutes, 49 secondsYeah. No, no, no. I like I like Kevin Bacon. I've seen quite quite a few uh Kevin Bacon films and like he's great in 27:5727 minutes, 57 secondsin a bunch of things both like the film stuff he's done you know and particularly I know I'm a fan of horror so I am obviously I love him and Tremors 28:0628 minutes, 6 secondsweirdly just coincidentally I was a guest on another podcast just like last month talking about Stirs of Echoes so 28:1528 minutes, 15 secondsthis is the second time this year that I have recorded a podcast about a Kevin Bacon movie set in Chicago. 28:2328 minutes, 23 secondsIs that set in Chicago, too? Okay. 28:2628 minutes, 26 secondsUm, I haven't seen it in I don't even know. I'm sure I've seen it when it came out, but I forget. Interesting. I mean, you might as well start a Kevin Bacon podcast, Scott. 28:3428 minutes, 34 secondsI think that would be a lot of fun. I think like covering Kevin Bacon films. I think it would be I think it would be great. 28:3928 minutes, 39 secondsI think so, too. What about Elizabeth McGovern? Are you familiar with her? Do you know from anything? 28:4628 minutes, 46 secondsI am familiar with her. I've not seen her in a lot of stuff in the UK. She's most famous for being in Downtown Abbey 28:5328 minutes, 53 secondsand I am not like a watcher of Downtown Abbey, but I have seen her in a few movies from particularly from this era. 29:0129 minutes, 1 secondSo like she is Dairo's girlfriend in Once Upon a Time in America, which is an amazing film. And like also just like 29:1029 minutes, 10 secondslast year, the year before, I saw her in a really cool neon- noir film called Johnny Handsome that's got Mickey Rook 29:1829 minutes, 18 secondsin it, you know, like which is also from similar era '8s I think maybe 89. It's a Walter Hill film. That's the reason I 29:2629 minutes, 26 secondswatched it like because I'm a fan of Walter Hill. And as problematic as he kind of is, I do like Mickey films like certainly of that era. 29:3429 minutes, 34 secondsYeah. So yeah, I know her from from a few things, but I don't know her extensively. 29:3929 minutes, 39 secondsSame. And I had, you know, she pops up in in roles like this here and there, but it's she doesn't ever come to mind when I'm thinking about 80s actresses or, you know, just actresses in general. 29:4929 minutes, 49 secondsShe has a very specific classy look to her, which very much helps her playing Kora Cwley in Downtown 29:5629 minutes, 56 secondsAbbey. So yeah, I didn't make the connection when I first started watching Downtown Abbey that it was her because I hadn't seen her in so many years because she's 30:0430 minutes, 4 secondsmuch older obviously in that. But she did get an Oscar nomination for her supporting role in Ragtime 30:1130 minutes, 11 secondswhich I have not seen. And then of course she got both Emmy and Golden Globe nominations for playing Kora in Down. Yeah. Which which makes sense because I know that show is massive. 30:2130 minutes, 21 secondsYeah. 30:2230 minutes, 22 secondsIt's really good. I would recommend Scott. Okay. 30:2630 minutes, 26 secondsNow, Alec Baldwin, I had forgotten that he's in this. And he plays the best this this type of best friend, the still 30:3430 minutes, 34 secondssingle, you know, free as a bird single kind of rich kind of, you know, that 30:4030 minutes, 40 secondsvery Alec Baldwiny type role. He plays Jake's friend Davis McDonald. 30:4730 minutes, 47 secondsWhat did you think about Alec Baldwin's role? I think for for some reason in my head and I 30:5530 minutes, 55 secondsknow like age- wise it makes perfect sense that he's in ' 80s movies but in my head because I so associate him with the '9s and 2000s I don't think about 31:0431 minutes, 4 secondshim in the 80s so anytime I watch an 80s movie and he suddenly pops up like last year I watched Married to the Mob for 31:1131 minutes, 11 secondsthe first time and he I was like I surprise Alec Baldwin I was like what what is this and so like so so like 31:1831 minutes, 18 secondsanytime turns up in the 80s. He always throws me for some reason. But yeah, and he's he's very Yeah, he I mean he's 31:2631 minutes, 26 secondsgood. He's very good. He's specifically very good at playing that kind of just sleazy oily kind of lethario type figure. He's just very good at that. 31:3631 minutes, 36 secondsHe is. It's He's perfect for it. 31:4031 minutes, 40 secondsBut I did kind of like I literally wrote down Whoa. Oh, young Alec Baldwin. 31:4431 minutes, 44 secondsYeah, I can see it. I see it. Yeah, he was he was handsome. He he was in that era and and he Yeah. And I mean it does make him 31:5231 minutes, 52 secondslook sleazy, but it also, you know, I can see the the attraction with his slick black hair and, you know, it's all Yeah. Yeah. I can see it. 32:0032 minutesYeah. So there there's a a fairly small cast. So yeah, we have Jake and Christy by Kevin Bacon and Elizabeth McGovern. 32:0732 minutes, 7 secondsAnd then Christiey's parents are played by William Windham and Katherine Damon. 32:1132 minutes, 11 secondsAnd I really just wanted to to point them out just because I think they they deserve their fair due. We might not know them 32:1932 minutes, 19 secondsor at least I didn't. We if you watched the the show Soap, I'm aware of Damon. 32:2632 minutes, 26 secondsI'm aware of this. I'm aware of this full show, but I never I never watched it. I might have mentioned this before in the previous episode because he does 32:3432 minutes, 34 secondshave a cameo in Planes Chains Automobiles. But the thing I know William Windham from is he plays Dr. 32:3932 minutes, 39 secondsSeth Hlett in Murder She Wrote, which I love Murder She Wrote. How did I not Is he like a recurring character in it? 32:4832 minutes, 48 secondsHe's a recurring He's a recurring character. He's like the local doctor in Cab Cove. He's like Jessica's friend. 32:5532 minutes, 55 secondsOh my gosh. I need to rewatch. Well, good catch. Thank cuz I that missed me. 32:5832 minutes, 58 secondsHe has over because he has over 259 acting credits. This man, I missed that particular one. 33:0433 minutes, 4 secondsYeah. I mean, he won an Emmy in 1970 for his lead role in My World and Welcome to It. He played the president in Escape 33:1233 minutes, 12 secondsfrom the Planet of Apes, and he's also in Tequilla Mockingbird. 33:1633 minutes, 16 secondsSo, William Windham, quite quite the accomplished actor. 33:2033 minutes, 20 secondsAnd yes, so Katherine Damon won an Emmy for her lead role in the show Soap. She was also a regular on the show Webster with Emanuel Lewis. Remember that show? 33:3033 minutes, 30 secondsIt was early 80s. You might not have Oh, no. I don't know if that that doesn't sound familiar. Soap sounds familiar. I'm aware of this. I'm aware 33:3833 minutes, 38 secondsof Soap while while not really having seen it, but Webster is No, I'm not familiar. Sorry. 33:4433 minutes, 44 secondsIt maybe was just an American show. It was like these two. It was a kind of Oh, and I can't think of his name now either, but he was like a football 33:5133 minutes, 51 secondsplayer, I think, turned actor maybe like Chicago, like Midwest sometime. Anyway, this white couple adopts a black child. 34:0034 minutesThat was very much a thing in the 80s. 34:0334 minutes, 3 secondsAnd Emanuel Lewis plays the kid and he's cute and that's that's the show. Cool. 34:0834 minutes, 8 secondsSo Jake's parents, I definitely recognized his mom. 34:1234 minutes, 12 secondsDid you recognize his mom? Holland Taylor. 34:1534 minutes, 15 secondsYes. But watching the movie, I couldn't immediately think of where she was from. 34:2034 minutes, 20 secondsI just was like, I just know I've seen her face and a bunch of stuff. 34:2334 minutes, 23 secondsYeah, she she has a very specific look to her. that that old money, you know, very put together type lady. She was 34:3134 minutes, 31 secondsnominated 10 times, including one win for her roles in The Practice, The Lot, and she played the Harper's mother in 34:4034 minutes, 40 secondsTwo and a Half Men, right? 34:4334 minutes, 43 secondsThat's a lot of people would know her from that. Also in Hollywood and The Morning Show, which is a pretty recent show, I think. I mean, like tons of 34:5134 minutes, 51 secondscredits. Bosom Buddies, The L Word. She actually played the dean in Saved by the Bell, the college years, if anybody remembers her from that. 35:0035 minutesI didn't remember specifically from that, but I did watch that as a kid. 35:0335 minutes, 3 secondsSame. I know. I'll have to go back and look. 35:0535 minutes, 5 secondsAnd I guess there was a show called Somerset in the 70s. Well, she played 35:1235 minutes, 12 secondsSergeant Ruth Winter on that in 234 episodes. Wow. Okay. 35:1735 minutes, 17 secondsSo, Holland Taylor and then James Ray plays his dad, which I He I don't think he's super wellknown. 35:2535 minutes, 25 secondsHe has a lot of oneoff episodic TV credits. Cool. No, I didn't recognize him at all. 35:3035 minutes, 30 secondsBut there's a ton of other familiar faces I suppose you recognized like other John Hughes Universe people. Mhm. 35:3835 minutes, 38 secondsAnybody in particular stand out to you in the cast? Cast. 35:4335 minutes, 43 secondsYes, I did spot a few people. Edy Mccclur who has the famous car rental scene in in Planes Change and 35:5235 minutes, 52 secondsAutomobiles. Paul Gleason who is the principal in Breakfast Club. Yeah. And then the guy the there's the God I can't 36:0136 minutes, 1 secondremember what character is but like the the guy he's he's got that kind of interesting face. Larry something. Is it Larry Hanken? 36:0936 minutes, 9 secondsYeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The skinny guy. 36:1136 minutes, 11 secondsYeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I recognize his face. I can never remember his name. Sorry, Larry. But like, but I know I know I've seen him and then when 36:1836 minutes, 18 secondsI looked him up, I looked him up and then I was like, "Oh, I know him from Friends and I know him from like Billy Madison and from other John Hughes movies." 36:2636 minutes, 26 secondsYeah. So, yeah, he So, actually Larry Hen was he the I think he was the cab driver in Planes, Trains, and Automobiles. 36:3636 minutes, 36 secondsHe was. That's what he was. Yeah. Yeah. 36:3836 minutes, 38 secondsAnd you and I covered that. I think you were you my guest on planes, Trains, and Automobiles? 36:4136 minutes, 41 secondsI was. I was. which kind of shares a universe with this movie because it does because the opening scene where the taxi cab race. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 36:4936 minutes, 49 secondsYeah. Yeah. They're both chasing after the same cab. We'll get into that in a little bit too. 36:5436 minutes, 54 secondsThere's another connection. But yeah, Edie Mccclur every like the redhead, Larry Hanken, and John Aston who's also 37:0137 minutes, 1 secondwas in Some kind of wonderful. So he was the other like male neighbor like at the barbecue when they're talking about who I most know from the Beverly Hills cop movies. 37:1037 minutes, 10 secondsYes. Yes. John Ashton, Larry Hanken, and Edie Mcc clerk play their suburban neighbors. Paul Gleason, as you mentioned, he in this he plays the guy 37:1937 minutes, 19 secondswho Jake interviews with in order to get an ad copyrightiting job. Mhm. 37:2537 minutes, 25 secondsWhich he completely lied about and they hired him anyway. I love that. 37:3037 minutes, 30 secondsYou know, sell himself. Well, that's like I guess like that's just He didn't though. They were like, "We 37:3837 minutes, 38 secondslooked you up and every everything on here is a lie, but you clearly want a job and you'll work for nothing." So, yeah, that's that's true. You know, that's true. 37:4537 minutes, 45 secondsThe job market must have been not very competitive at the time. 37:4937 minutes, 49 secondsNo, no, probably not. It was the late 80s. It was before any any stock market crashes or anything like that. The other 37:5637 minutes, 56 secondsad exec who hires him, I noticed I looked that up and he's played by Dennis Dugan, who's the director of Happy Gilmore. 38:0538 minutes, 5 secondsOh, he did look familiar, but I didn't like he was that guy to me. That's funny. Lily Taylor, this is her film debut. 38:1438 minutes, 14 secondsShe's in it just for a brief second. 38:1638 minutes, 16 secondsShe's the the lady the receptionist at the medical clinic that he gives his sperm sample to. Oh, yeah. Right. 38:2438 minutes, 24 secondsLily Taylor. 38:2538 minutes, 25 secondsYeah. Yeah. Is that Oh, I recognize recognize that name. 38:3038 minutes, 30 secondsShe's in a lot of things. I love her in Mystic Pizza also from 1988 actually or '89 maybe. I don't know. 38:3738 minutes, 37 secondsOh yeah, I Oh, now I can Now I know who you're talking about. Yes. Yes. She's a great actress. She I love her. 38:4438 minutes, 44 secondsIf anybody's into If anybody's into horror movies, she's in a great ' 90s vampire flick called The Addiction, 38:5238 minutes, 52 secondswhich is directed by Abel Ferrara, the same guy who directed King of New York and Bad Lieutenant. And I would highly recommend that. The Addiction. It's very underrated. More people should see it. 39:0339 minutes, 3 secondsCheck it out, everyone. I'm not a big horror person. I don't know. Very specific genres of horror, like subg genres I'm into. But yeah, it's not super gory or anything. 39:1339 minutes, 13 secondsIt's not It's more atmospheric. It's, you know, it's all shot in black and white and it's very it's it leans more in the kind of atmosphere I would I 39:2139 minutes, 21 secondswould say. But but I have quite a high tolerance of horror because I've been watching it for like several decades now. So like so I don't know. Maybe I'm not the best person to judge. 39:3139 minutes, 31 secondsScott also ha has a a horror new horror express. 39:3639 minutes, 36 secondsYeah, that's right. That's right. That ran from 2018 to 2024. There is 185 episodes for you to check out still up there if you want to. 39:4539 minutes, 45 secondsDang, that's a quite that's quite a few. 39:4739 minutes, 47 secondsI will say hope you caught a certain stunt man in this that is in a lot of action movies since you know all 90s action. 39:5739 minutes, 57 secondsI I did. I did. I'm always very excited. 40:0040 minutesThere's certain there's certain kind of stunt guys or people who are like who are in a lot of action movies who are 40:0640 minutes, 6 secondsjust faces you recognize. But yes, I what the thing that confused me about this scene. So, the person we're talking 40:1440 minutes, 14 secondsabout is Al Leong, who has a very distinctive look and very distinctive facial hair. And he turns up in this movie as a fashion photographer. And I 40:2140 minutes, 21 secondsthought maybe there because there's a bunch of like dream sequences in this movie or fantasy sequences. And I thought they were going to do something with that and there was going to be like 40:3040 minutes, 30 secondsa mini action scene or something with him, but no, he's just a fashion photographer. Just And once this photo shoot is done, he like walks off and 40:3740 minutes, 37 secondsthat's it. And I was like, "Oh, okay." An interesting change of pace for Mr. 40:4240 minutes, 42 secondsLeon. You're right. He's very specific looking. You cannot miss him. 40:4740 minutes, 47 secondsNow, I bet you I'm the only person because I watch these through the credits because that's just who I am. But also, I'm 40:5540 minutes, 55 secondsalways waiting for sometimes there's a a postredit scene or something, right? So, there was a credit scene in this, which we'll talk about. There was not a 41:0341 minutes, 3 secondspostredit scene, but by watching all of the credits through, I noticed someone that popped out at me. 41:1141 minutes, 11 secondsSo, because I covered Patrick Sees last season, love him. Read his book that he wrote with his wife. He was just like so dedicated to his wife whose name is Lisa Nimi. 41:2141 minutes, 21 secondsAnd she played one of the models in that photo shoot. 41:2641 minutes, 26 secondsOh, like you know when he has that that freakout, it's like a baby diaper photo shoot and then there's also models there. She's one of the models. 41:3541 minutes, 35 secondsYes. Patrick sees wife in this. Oh, okay. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 41:4141 minutes, 41 secondsStuart Copeland did the music for this and I think this is the first time that I have seen him in any of the movies 41:4941 minutes, 49 secondsthat I've covered. Are you familiar with Copeland's work? 41:5241 minutes, 52 secondsLike I'm not massively familiar with his film score work, but he is a member of the police, right? Is like the drummer for the police. 42:0142 minutes, 1 secondYes. I didn't know that. So yeah. 42:0342 minutes, 3 secondsSo I'm familiar with his drumming work for the police. 42:0842 minutes, 8 secondsYeah. So then he I guess parlayed that into you know doing compositions for film scores. So he did Wall Street 1987, 42:1842 minutes, 18 secondsMen at Work 1990, Good Ber and then TV shows like The Equalizer and Dead Like Me. That's Stuart Copeland. 42:2742 minutes, 27 secondsNice. Actually, I think on the action podcast I covered one film that had a Stuart Copeland score. I think it was I 42:3542 minutes, 35 secondswant to say it was surviving the game which is like an iced tea film. Oh, I listened to that episode. Uhhuh. 42:4342 minutes, 43 secondsYeah, totally. More than the score like that for me that didn't stand out so much as the the song that Kate Bush 42:5142 minutes, 51 secondswrote specifically for this at the scene. It's called a woman's work and it was during the hospital waiting scene 42:5942 minutes, 59 secondswhen Kevin knows that there's complications and they won't let him into the room and then we're seeing like memories of them flashback kind of 43:0743 minutes, 7 secondsthrough his eyes and the song is so it really helps turn up the emotional volume 43:1443 minutes, 14 secondsand I I just want to say that I think genuinely if if we're jumping to that scene genuinely I think that 43:2243 minutes, 22 secondssequence and him in the waiting room And the way it's lit is one of the most beautifully directed sequences of John 43:2943 minutes, 29 secondsHugh's entire career. And that song, that Kate Bush song just absolutely crushes the emotion. I I don't care who 43:3843 minutes, 38 secondsif you like I I've got, you know, I'm quite happy to admit I cried during that sequence. It like it it is engineered to 43:4543 minutes, 45 secondsmake you cry. Like it's it's, you know, weaponized to make you cry. It's so it's such an overwhelming scene and it's so 43:5343 minutes, 53 secondsbeautiful. A genuinely heartbreaking sequence. 44:0544 minutes, 5 secondsI should be hoping that I can't stop thinking of all the things we should have said 44:1444 minutes, 14 secondsthat we never said. All the things we should have done that we never did. All the things that you needed from me. All 44:2444 minutes, 24 secondsthe things that you wanted for me. All the things. 44:2844 minutes, 28 secondsI couldn't have said it better myself. I wanted to bring it up in the music section, but I know that kind of spoils the movie for you. They have a baby in the movie. She's having a baby. 44:3744 minutes, 37 secondsYeah. 44:3844 minutes, 38 secondsBut yeah, we see Jake realize, you know, we'll kind of get through the movie, but he has a hard time. He He has an arc. 44:4544 minutes, 45 secondshe's finally like becoming who he needs to be and realizing that he's been taking his wife for granted and his life that he actually has for granted and 44:5444 minutes, 54 secondsthose flashbacks to those me wonderful memories and like seeing him rise to the occasion and so the song combined with Kevin's acting and the way 45:0345 minutes, 3 secondshe emotes and and you're right the cinematic nature of that scene was really powerful. 45:0945 minutes, 9 secondsYeah. Yeah. And yeah, like you say, like Kevin Bacon is a big part of what makes it so moving and and what makes it so 45:1745 minutes, 17 secondsemotional, but I think yeah, just everything comes perfectly together from the direction, the the lighting, the way it's the way it's lit in those kind of 45:2545 minutes, 25 secondsthe waiting room with the kind of spotlights and just everything about it. 45:3045 minutes, 30 secondsAnd then the cherry on top is just that brilliant Kbridge song that's just just absolutely slays you. 45:3845 minutes, 38 secondsIt was written, I mean, it was perfect. 45:4045 minutes, 40 secondsthe lyrics, everything about it was perfect because it was written for this. 45:4445 minutes, 44 secondsSo, and it was nicely done, Kate Bush. 45:4945 minutes, 49 secondsWhat kept coming to mind for me was, "Wow, this is really different. This is kind of a departure for Hughes movies for me. Did you did you feel that or 45:5745 minutes, 57 secondswhat were kind of your initial It does feel like Yeah. No, I agree. It does feel like a departure because I think he's going for 46:0646 minutes, 6 secondsa little bit of a, you know, a little bit of a different tone. I think like a lot of his movies are more generally straight up comedies 46:1546 minutes, 15 secondswhere whereas this is I I don't think it always accomplishes it, but I think this is definitely going for more of a 46:2246 minutes, 22 secondsdramaty type thing. And I think sometimes it's tonal gear shifts are a bit wonky in the going between the 46:3046 minutes, 30 secondscomedy and the drama, but but sometimes it really works at the same time. So I do think he's he's definitely aiming for a different tone. I definitely think 46:3946 minutes, 39 secondsthat obviously, you know, because we're dealing with like people kind of like you say post college, post uni age, you 46:4546 minutes, 45 secondsknow, it's it's definitely the humor he's trying in in some cases is very is 46:5246 minutes, 52 secondsvery Hughes, but in some cases is kind of going for a more mature angle. And I think there's a 47:0047 minutesthere's a kind of gentleness to the film and there's a the kind of more kind of it's it's less for wacky and more aiming 47:0747 minutes, 7 secondsfor like to to often to be moving I guess. So yeah, I think it definitely has a very different feel to your typical Hughes outing. 47:1747 minutes, 17 secondsGentle is a nice way of putting it. 47:1947 minutes, 19 secondsThere's I think yeah Elizabeth McGovern the way they have her the way they make her character there's she has this very 47:2847 minutes, 28 secondsyeah like softness to her like everything it it softens the whole movie but I guess to your point about some of the 47:3747 minutes, 37 secondscomical things in addition to this being narrated so this is narrated by Kevin Bacon's 47:4347 minutes, 43 secondscharacter so it and it it uses that so that we understand his internal monologue and it does pay off at the end 47:5247 minutes, 52 secondsas you might expect once we learn he's a writer. We kind of see that coming but but that's nice nonetheless. And he he's 48:0148 minutes, 1 secondable to say things to us that he doesn't say to his wife, I guess. So that's kind of how we're learning about his own turmoil. I I I 48:0948 minutes, 9 secondsguess like we understand and part of the reason that he's saying that I guess that we understand relatively early on 48:1848 minutes, 18 secondsbecause he he gives hints to it that the narration is like his reflection on past events. 48:2548 minutes, 25 secondsSo like his thinking about the event. So he so he's in a different mindset as the film is happening because like his his 48:3448 minutes, 34 secondsnarration is is past these events and is and his thinking has matured and evolved. So like we're we're hearing the 48:4348 minutes, 43 secondsnarration of a slightly more mature and evolved version of this person, but as we're seeing the action, they're still 48:5148 minutes, 51 secondsthe slightly less mature, less evolved version of themselves, you know. 48:5648 minutes, 56 secondsYeah. Well, let's talk about that. The thing that was glaring about this movie that I was like, "Wow, I'm hm I'm not sure what to make of this cuz it just 49:0549 minutes, 5 secondskept happening." All of the fantasy sequences and exaggerated 49:1149 minutes, 11 secondsimagination vignettes, like almost cartoonish, you know? 49:1649 minutes, 16 secondsYeah. It reminded me very much of Scrubs. I don't know if you ever watch Scrubs. Oh, it's been a while. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. 49:2449 minutes, 24 secondsYeah. the way that like JD kind of has these of fancy and you know like he's I mean obviously in in Scrubs is kind of 49:3349 minutes, 33 secondsdone slightly differently cuz you like you're very much know you're in the fantasy because it does that kind of like very 2000 thing that a lot of 2000 49:4249 minutes, 42 secondssitcoms like that and the rest of development and 30 Rock did where it kind of cuts to like Family Guy does the same in that as well you know like but 49:5049 minutes, 50 secondsthat doesn't happen in this film you just kind of at certain point realize all right this isn't really happening. 49:5749 minutes, 57 secondsI mean, yeah, I guess it again shows us his internal anxieties. Yeah. 50:0150 minutes, 1 secondBut, and there were several, but what did you what did you think about them? Do you think that it took you out of it, or did you think it really did help paint the 50:0950 minutes, 9 secondspicture of what Jake was feeling and thinking at the time? I think it I think it I think it helps. 50:1550 minutes, 15 secondsI think there's certain moments of the film where I think it depends on the moment of the film. Like I think there's certain bits that work that work really 50:2450 minutes, 24 secondswell. I think with the start of the movie with the the minister keeps the vows keep going on and on and on and I I 50:3250 minutes, 32 secondsI think that works. I think in the sperm donation sequence it works. I think in the and I also particularly think my 50:3950 minutes, 39 secondsfavorite one is the is the like lawnmower dance sequence. Like that's that's brilliant. That's brilliant. 50:4850 minutes, 48 secondsThat's really that's really good. That was the funniest moment in the film for me. But like, yeah, some of them you're just like, "Oh, okay." You know, because sometimes they're edging into more 50:5750 minutes, 57 secondsemotional territory and then and then you're gear shifting into this kind of very wacky type of comedy, very silly. 51:0451 minutes, 4 secondsSo, some of them I think worked absolutely perfectly and some of them were like kind of threw me off a little bit. 51:1151 minutes, 11 secondsSame. I think perhaps if maybe I wouldn't have the same feeling if I watched it again, but I think this was my first watch and it's 51:1851 minutes, 18 secondsyou know it works out that this is one of the I only have a few movies left in the John Hughes season. So I've seen almost all of them from the 80s and 90s 51:2651 minutes, 26 secondsand so this being at the end I it really really is like highlighted to me how different this technique is for John 51:3551 minutes, 35 secondsHughes. So, so audience, if you haven't seen this or if it's been a while, the lawn mower scene that Scott's talking about, it's like, so they moved to the 51:4451 minutes, 44 secondssuburbs and so it's like all the men kind of at the same time, they're mowing their lawns all on a Saturday and the women are 51:5251 minutes, 52 secondscarrying trays with lemonade or whatever and then it turns into this whole dance sequence. So for him, for Kevin's 52:0052 minutescharacter, it's sort of like representing his fear of becoming this domestic cliche, right? Like that's what you do 52:0952 minutes, 9 secondson a Saturday. So that's the suburban lawnmower scene. I think like it's also just like a kind of and may maybe just because like I'm a big David Lynch fan. 52:1852 minutes, 18 secondsI feel like there's maybe some commentary there about suburban uniformity of you know once once you become a suburban person you just you 52:2652 minutes, 26 secondsjust you have to have all the accutramonts and you have to you do all the exact same things otherwise you're exiled and kind of you know put to one side or something. 52:3652 minutes, 36 seconds100%. And and we learn, you know, as we get to know some of the some of the neighbors in the block party barbecue scene, you learn exactly that the the 52:4552 minutes, 45 secondswomen are sort of like, well, the last career woman brought something that none of us recognized. It was like goat cheese ravioli or something. And you think they could have I don't know. 52:5352 minutes, 53 secondsWas goat cheese ravioli that kind of out of the box like Italian cooking. You think you think you think they could have picked something that was more 53:0253 minutes, 2 secondsobscure or more kind of fanciful kind of because I was like even as a workingclass kid growing up in Scotland 53:1053 minutes, 10 secondsI wouldn't be like goat cheese ravioli this is this is this is a poshest thing I've ever seen you know and I'm not exactly come from a culinary paradise 53:1853 minutes, 18 secondsyou know I think goat cheese was a thing there was a I believe based on some other movies like there was a time at which 53:2653 minutes, 26 secondsgoat cheese on a menu was like high, you know, like only fancy restaurants would have or something like overpriced, you 53:3453 minutes, 34 secondsdummy. You're paying overpriced for I don't know. 53:3653 minutes, 36 secondsYeah, I guess I mean I I guess it I guess it was a different time. I could like cuz I know like certain there's loads of things that we don't see as 53:4453 minutes, 44 secondsfancy at all and and and like even in recent times we're seen as quite fancy. 53:4953 minutes, 49 secondsThere's a to give a UK example, there was a famous example in in in football, not the type of football you know, but 53:5753 minutes, 57 secondslike soccer where the the team Manchester United, most football stadiums like for halftime sell like hot 54:0554 minutes, 5 secondsmeat pies, that's like your kind of that's your snack or whatever. When they started selling prom cocktail sandwiches 54:1254 minutes, 12 secondsand this was seen as the height of height of poshness of going from pies to prom cocktail sandwiches, people were like, "What is this? What cocktail? 54:1954 minutes, 19 secondsWhat? What? What? Cocktail sandwich. Prawn cocktail. Like a like seafood. Like seafood. Yeah. [ __ ] It's sandwich. 54:2754 minutes, 27 secondsYeah. Like it's praw praw in a sandwich. 54:3054 minutes, 30 secondsIn a in a in a prawn cocktail is just like a Yeah, it's just prawns in a in a rosemary sauce. Yeah. It's just Yeah. 54:3954 minutes, 39 secondsOkay. I mean I Okay. I'm not I I mean I've I hear you. A shrimp cocktail, I think, used to be a thing here. 54:4754 minutes, 47 secondsYeah. But I didn't know they put it in sandwiches. Yeah. 54:5054 minutes, 50 secondsWell, I mean like I don't know. I guess I mean that does seem fancy for a football stadium to be honest. 54:5554 minutes, 55 secondsYeah, it was it was it was it was it was people people had a lot of eyebrows were raised. People were like what what is this? We just want pies and chips and 55:0455 minutes, 4 secondsthings like that or Yeah. Chips as we understand them. This is this is that's just fries. 55:1155 minutes, 11 secondsFries. Fries. Fries. We call them chips. We what you call chips we call crisps. 55:1655 minutes, 16 secondsThis is this is becoming just a one of those American British flexicon lessons. Yeah. 55:2255 minutes, 22 secondsAnd don't And do you call cookies something else too? Biscuits. Biscuits. 55:2655 minutes, 26 secondsAnd what? Yeah. And what you call biscuits are I don't even know what that is. Yeah. What do you Yeah. Interesting. 55:3355 minutes, 33 secondsThat we could have a whole podcast on this. 55:3555 minutes, 35 secondsYes. The difference. We'll go back to she's talking maybe. 55:4055 minutes, 40 secondsYeah. So, the other sequences that I thought were were really, you know, again, I didn't dislike or like it. It was just 55:4755 minutes, 47 secondslike you said, the tone of the movie was a bit more serious and tender and so some of these kind of shocked your system a little bit, but they were kind 55:5555 minutes, 55 secondsof good. Some were more subtle than others. There was various office claustrophobia as well. The room kind of coming in on him and even that photo 56:0356 minutes, 3 secondsshoot that he's like he can't escape. So he takes his job because he has to get a job reflecting his hatred of this 56:1256 minutes, 12 secondscorporate job that he has. the Val rewriting his internal monologue is not hearing will you take this woman to be 56:1956 minutes, 19 secondsyour wited wife he hears a once a year vacation to the Bahamas and a fourbedroom house and three bath you 56:2756 minutes, 27 secondsknow like going through all the things so that's what he's hearing he's like oh crap this commitment and 56:3456 minutes, 34 secondsthe fertilization scene to this was brilliant though so it's meant to show us so they're trying to have a baby and 56:4356 minutes, 43 secondsapparently when you're trying to have a baby on purpose. Sometimes that act can be very mechanical and not 56:5056 minutes, 50 secondsromantic at all. Scheduled sex for conception. 56:5456 minutes, 54 secondsAnd she even says, "You can watch TV if you get bored." 57:0057 minutesI love that. But so this scene is set to chain gang, the men, all the men working 57:0857 minutes, 8 secondson the chain gang. Like that song I can't sing. These are the things that are happening in this movie and I can't decide whether or not I think it is 57:1757 minutes, 17 secondshelpful or not. I like that we're seeing it in like a more symbolistic way. He's not saying it, but it's just different. 57:2657 minutes, 26 secondsI don't know. Yeah. I think like I think the only you know you're saying 57:3457 minutes, 34 secondslike is is is the scene helpful? I think it kind of is, but I think like it would 57:4157 minutes, 41 secondsbe it could be I think if it was made to date, maybe it would be made better because I think I guess this is a little 57:4757 minutes, 47 secondspersonal, but like you know I you know like I went through IVF or whatever it didn't work but I think for couples like 57:5657 minutes, 56 secondswho try something like that can take the romance out and I think that what would make the scene better and make it 58:0458 minutes, 4 secondshelpful is like to to you visualize that, but also not just make it from the man's point of view because it's it's it's similarly mechanical for 58:1358 minutes, 13 secondsthe woman. The woman is like the way it's presented in the film is the woman is like the the wife Christy is is like up for it and she's like ready to go and 58:2158 minutes, 21 secondskind of like come on now, you know, and the guy's like, "Oh god." You know, whereas, you know, for both parties, it can be very difficult, you know. And I 58:3058 minutes, 30 secondsthink that's what would have improved the scene if it it kind of highlighted more that it's it's not just placing it all on the guy and what the guy's 58:3958 minutes, 39 secondsemotions are and kind of spreading out the emotions that are taking place. 58:4558 minutes, 45 secondsThat is a really good point. See, we have a man bringing up women's issues. I I love it, Scott. I will say though, I 58:5258 minutes, 52 secondsthink we are meant to believe that she wants the baby and he doesn't necessarily. He's so not ready for a baby. So he's not 59:0059 minutesin so much so that we're shown they haven't even talked about whether or not they want to have kids yet. 59:0859 minutes, 8 secondsYeah. I mean years into their marriage. 59:1159 minutes, 11 secondsYeah. Which is odd because I feel like most people have like a baby talk or whatever like going into a marriage. I 59:1959 minutes, 19 secondsthink I feel like most people I mean I think you should but I think you should. I mean I think you should. I think if if if one of your priorities is to have kids and the other 59:2859 minutes, 28 secondsperson does not want to have kids, I think you should establish that before you get married. But I guess that's another issue. I guess like it is a bit 59:3659 minutes, 36 secondslike that's not like great behavior in the terms of the film. Like to go off the pill and not tell your partner that 59:4459 minutes, 44 secondsthat that does feel like shady. That does feel like how pissed would you be? 59:4959 minutes, 49 secondsThat Yeah. And it's not even about the kind of the baby. It's just about the kind of betrayal of trust, you know, at that stage. Certainly, if that happened 59:5859 minutes, 58 secondsto me, you know, and somebody had done that and without talking about it that just the the mere betrayal of trust 1:00:061 hour, 6 secondswould be the the main bone of contention that would, you know, make me angry. Mhm. 1:00:141 hour, 14 secondsYeah. She's like, I got to tell you something, but I promise you won't get mad. And she says three months ago, like Yeah. That's what I thought. I was like I was like cuz like the way it's 1:00:221 hour, 22 secondspresented in the film, it was like it was a brand new like when she puts the tablet down the sink, it feels like that's the first time she's done it. And 1:00:311 hour, 31 secondsif that was the case, like I feel like probably not that mad. But like for it 1:00:371 hour, 37 secondsto be 3 months, that is like one missed pill, you know, just and if if that had been the plot of the film 1:00:451 hour, 45 secondsthat basically she missed her pill once and they they kind of just got pregnant, I think that makes it way less problematic. But the way that it was so 1:00:531 hour, 53 secondslike she stated 3 months, I was like, "Wow, that is that's that's not great for your the trust in your relationship." Not cool, Christie. 1:01:031 hour, 1 minute, 3 secondsI was all on your side, Christie. But yeah, I feel like it's also a trope in older movies that they don't talk about it. 1:01:101 hour, 1 minute, 10 secondsLike it becomes a problem once they're together. You know, do we even want to have kids? But maybe it's just I mean 1:01:171 hour, 1 minute, 17 secondsthis was 88, not 58, but maybe it was just assumed that married people have kids. I I don't know. 1:01:251 hour, 1 minute, 25 secondsI think so. And like the thing I did think about and the thing that I've heard you talk about on this podcast is 1:01:321 hour, 1 minute, 32 secondsthere is a conservative streak to John Hughes like in his vision of like you know and 1:01:391 hour, 1 minute, 39 secondslike fill in my John Hughes gaps as I listen to your podcast and and watching the likes of Mr. Mom and like other kind 1:01:461 hour, 1 minute, 46 secondsof family based ones. He clearly believes that that is that is what you should have. He clearly, you know, 1:01:531 hour, 1 minute, 53 secondsbelieves in the kind of conservative ideal of the nuclear family, mom, dad, kids, you know, marriage. And 1:02:001 hour, 2 minutesthe anybody who lives outside of that is painted very negatively. 1:02:051 hour, 2 minutes, 5 secondsAnd like one of the things that kind of made me laugh in a bad way was like when Alec Baldwin brings brings home that the 1:02:141 hour, 2 minutes, 14 secondsthe woman from from New York and she is presented in a hyper negative light. And the reason she's presenting a hyper negative fight is because she doesn't 1:02:221 hour, 2 minutes, 22 secondsshe doesn't want to get married. She doesn't want kids. And they they kind of almost cartoonishly make her like super kind of evil and she 1:02:321 hour, 2 minutes, 32 secondscomes back and she's come back for her mom's funeral, but she doesn't care about her mom. And also just to point out, the film doesn't give us any 1:02:381 hour, 2 minutes, 38 secondsindication of what her mom is like. They just present her in a hyper negative light because she isn't that interested in her mom's. her mom could have been an 1:02:481 hour, 2 minutes, 48 secondsabusive piece of [ __ ] if for all we know. 1:02:511 hour, 2 minutes, 51 secondsShe says the only person she says well Neiman Marcus will certainly miss her or something like that. So you know I guess 1:02:591 hour, 2 minutes, 59 secondsbut you know but this is this is you know all all points against her and again she's a very freely sexual person 1:03:061 hour, 3 minutes, 6 secondsand again this is presented as this is this is the worst thing. This is not what you want to be. 1:03:121 hour, 3 minutes, 12 secondsWell, and therefore it's okay for Alex's character to use her and he says as much. 1:03:171 hour, 3 minutes, 17 secondsYes. Which is really grubby. And yeah, I this it's my least favorite part of the film. It's just I 1:03:261 hour, 3 minutes, 26 secondsthink yeah, he clearly has his ideas of what family should be and what relationships 1:03:321 hour, 3 minutes, 32 secondsshould be and what normal is. And I I disagree. 1:03:391 hour, 3 minutes, 39 secondsI do too. And you're right, it has come up a lot in in Hugh's movies. And you know, to your point about what's kind of interesting is because he's showing the 1:03:481 hour, 3 minutes, 48 secondsvery realistic fear and anxiety that he probably h you know, that a lot of young men, I mean, they got married really young, like in their early 20s, like right out of college. 1:03:581 hour, 3 minutes, 58 secondsAnd so they're probably not ready for for all that adulthood requires of you and the parents putting pressure on them 1:04:051 hour, 4 minutes, 5 secondsto have kids. Other side note, it's like the parents are still working and they're like, I should have a picture of my grandkid on the desk. And nowadays, 1:04:131 hour, 4 minutes, 13 secondsit's just very different. Most people wait to have kids and therefore their parents are already retired. Like they're not still working when they have 1:04:191 hour, 4 minutes, 19 secondsgrandkids. But this also kind of shows the entrapment of suburbia and and the 1:04:261 hour, 4 minutes, 26 secondsfear of that happening. And it kind of hits you over the head with it. So it's like clearly John Hughes is, you know, kind of wrestling with that that he's like seemingly this is his only option. 1:04:381 hour, 4 minutes, 38 secondsThis is an inevitable path. There's no other path to take. 1:04:431 hour, 4 minutes, 43 secondsAnd so you just have to resign yourself to this like block parties on the weekend and mowing the lawn and that's what your life is and you need to find happiness in it and you have kids and you die. 1:04:521 hour, 4 minutes, 52 secondsSo So he's wrestling with that, but then he's also kind of showing that he he's rising to the occasion. He needs to, 1:05:001 hour, 5 minutesyou know, I guess, yes, learn to appreciate that and he does, but you're right. Then when he does show the only 1:05:081 hour, 5 minutes, 8 secondscharacter who doesn't take that path is Alec, and it is shown to be cuz he comes 1:05:161 hour, 5 minutes, 16 secondsaround later in the movie. There's there's a very interesting scene uh what's his name? Davis with Davis and Christy where it's kind of clear they 1:05:241 hour, 5 minutes, 24 secondshave had a past, don't you think? 1:05:261 hour, 5 minutes, 26 secondsYes. There there's a couple of suggestions of of of that throughout the film, even kind of in the opening scene with the two of them in the car. Like 1:05:341 hour, 5 minutes, 34 secondsthere this Yeah, you get this sense that maybe don't know how long they went out. Maybe it was just a fling. Who knows? 1:05:411 hour, 5 minutes, 41 secondsBut it does seem like they they have some some past history together. 1:05:471 hour, 5 minutes, 47 secondsSo then he kind of wraps his come on in in sort of like a friendship way of you know very sleazy of his character to do 1:05:551 hour, 5 minutes, 55 secondsbut you know she passes the test so to speak but in that scene it's clear that 1:06:011 hour, 6 minutes, 1 secondhe's saying cuz earlier we see this and this is a trope of the movie the single friend is shown to be like having all this fun with the single wildlife while 1:06:101 hour, 6 minutes, 10 secondsthe married friend seems you know kind of chained down without that same freedom and Sure enough, the single life 1:06:181 hour, 6 minutes, 18 secondsthat the friend has turns out to be very unfulfilling. This is kind of a trope and that happens in this movie too. So 1:06:261 hour, 6 minutes, 26 secondsto come full circle to your point, yes, the the path that is not this is shown to be unfulfilling. So again, 1:06:351 hour, 6 minutes, 35 secondsthere's only one way to live your life in John Hughes movies. Pretty much. Pretty pretty much. Yeah. 1:06:411 hour, 6 minutes, 41 secondsYeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like you have pointed out several times throughout this podcast, any woman who is single and/or childless is seen as 1:06:511 hour, 6 minutes, 51 secondslike just the worst. And and there's he definitely has some hang-ups there that are, you know. Yeah. 1:06:581 hour, 6 minutes, 58 secondsYeah. It's it's interesting. You know, I'm kind of getting a you know, doing this season has been a little surprising to me. I guess I didn't know. I mean, 1:07:061 hour, 7 minutes, 6 secondsI'm certainly not like an expert in John Hughes, but I love a lot of his movies. 1:07:101 hour, 7 minutes, 10 secondsAnd so, I chose to tackle his films from the 80s and 90s, and it has been an education for me. And so, you know, I'll talk about that in the in the wrap-up 1:07:181 hour, 7 minutes, 18 secondsepisode. But to your point about his conservatism, the family type conservatism, not necessarily politics, but I'm I'm sure. 1:07:271 hour, 7 minutes, 27 secondsDid you notice the two best friends names are Jefferson and Davis? I don't think that was by accident. 1:07:361 hour, 7 minutes, 36 secondsOh, the former president of the Confederacy. Yeah. Yeah. Pos possibly. 1:07:431 hour, 7 minutes, 43 secondsI don't know. What do you guys think? I kind of think that was on purpose. He does do that. 1:07:471 hour, 7 minutes, 47 secondsIt could be a nod to He's very specific, but why would you give a Come on, John Hughes. Why Why you giving a nod to the Confederacy? I don't know. You know what I mean? Yeah. 1:07:551 hour, 7 minutes, 55 secondsHe could just be a Civil War buff, I guess. I don't know. I'll try and explain it away by that. But I was like, hm, don't like that. No, not great, is it? 1:08:041 hour, 8 minutes, 4 secondsBut I do like that historically, so in the some kind of wonderful episode, the characters, there's a Rolling Stones element to the characters names. 1:08:141 hour, 8 minutes, 14 secondsSo, he's got a signature with naming. 1:08:161 hour, 8 minutes, 16 secondsHe's also got a signature with license plates on the cars. And I missed it in this. All the movies have the initials 1:08:251 hour, 8 minutes, 25 secondsof the movie that they're in, right? Yeah. Yeah. 1:08:281 hour, 8 minutes, 28 secondsAnd so this one was um SHAB was on their their license plate. She's having a baby. 1:08:361 hour, 8 minutes, 36 secondsOh, nice. 1:08:371 hour, 8 minutes, 37 secondsYeah. So that's a a signature of little trademark Hughes. 1:08:421 hour, 8 minutes, 42 secondsSomething that completely passed me by up until listening to the your previous episodes and and you're talking discussing that. 1:08:491 hour, 8 minutes, 49 secondsI same. I wouldn't have noticed it unless I was you know I'm watching them very carefully now. But this being my first wash of this, I I didn't quite 1:08:571 hour, 8 minutes, 57 secondscatch that. So advertising in the 80s is the biggest trope I've ever seen in my entire life. And this movie certainly has it. Everybody has a job in the in 1:09:061 hour, 9 minutes, 6 secondsthe advertising industry. And I think that's why I went into it subconsciously. 1:09:121 hour, 9 minutes, 12 secondsAnd I love how like a whole job is copywriter. 1:09:151 hour, 9 minutes, 15 secondsLike now that's like what you do in five minutes, you know? Like it's just interesting that his whole job is writing ad copy. But that is exactly 1:09:241 hour, 9 minutes, 24 secondswhat John Hughes did when he was starting out. So he was basically Jake, this is very autobiographical before. So Jake's writing a book. 1:09:331 hour, 9 minutes, 33 secondsHughes aspired to write movies, I would assume. Did you notice anything about Christiey's clothes? 1:09:411 hour, 9 minutes, 41 secondsNo, nothing. 1:09:431 hour, 9 minutes, 43 secondsWell, I think I've noticed this in some other movies, too. And I'm not sure if it were it was Hugh's movies or not, but 1:09:501 hour, 9 minutes, 50 secondsagain, if he's trying to make like because she's married and she's going to have a baby, they made her like they desexed her altogether. 1:10:001 hour, 10 minutesLike they did Elizabeth McGovern so dirty. 1:10:041 hour, 10 minutes, 4 secondsOh, by the the clothes they put her in. I mean, she's a woman in her early 20s. 1:10:111 hour, 10 minutes, 11 secondsShe's beautiful. Well, I'm sure she has a gorgeous body, but everything she wears, everything she wears is as if she's 65 years old and it's super 1:10:211 hour, 10 minutes, 21 secondsfrumpy, prudish, kindergarten teacher looking. Yeah. You know what I mean? 1:10:251 hour, 10 minutes, 25 secondsI I do know what you mean by that. Yeah, she she is given a very kind of Yeah, cuz cuz you do forget like she is given a very middle like Yeah. 1:10:371 hour, 10 minutes, 37 secondsLike you say, she's got to be in her like her early 20s, but she dresses as as she's at least 50 or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 1:10:461 hour, 10 minutes, 46 secondsIn every She's never not in something horrible. 1:10:491 hour, 10 minutes, 49 secondsSo, I'm like, dang, poor Elizabeth McGovern. So, I do think Do you think that was on purpose to make her seem like 1:10:561 hour, 10 minutes, 56 secondsI I think I think so because like to go back to the the scene where Davis brings the the the the woman from New York, 1:11:031 hour, 11 minutes, 3 secondslike her reaction to that is like, you know, get her out the house. She's disgusting, you know, kind of kind of thing. So I think the movie does suggest 1:11:121 hour, 11 minutes, 12 secondsthat the character is quite prim and proper and quite buttoned up, you know, 1:11:181 hour, 11 minutes, 18 secondslike so like it kind of makes sense. But I do I do I guess unrealistically though. 1:11:271 hour, 11 minutes, 27 secondsYeah, quite quite quite unrealistically. 1:11:291 hour, 11 minutes, 29 secondsAnd again, again, I guess that could point to something problematic in John Hughes of like this is how women are supposed to be, which is 1:11:381 hour, 11 minutes, 38 secondsyou can sexualize the other woman, but not the wife and mother. 1:11:421 hour, 11 minutes, 42 secondsYeah. Not the not the wife, not the wife and mother. She's she's supposed to be she's supposed to be pure. And I guess that's another slight trope in John 1:11:511 hour, 11 minutes, 51 secondsHughes movies. I don't know how many movies it happens in, but I can think of at least two where there is where the 1:11:581 hour, 11 minutes, 58 secondscharacter kind of fantasizes over a a mysterious hypersexualized woman. 1:12:051 hour, 12 minutes, 5 secondsThey've forgotten about her. Yes. 1:12:071 hour, 12 minutes, 7 secondsSo, there's the French woman in this film and there's the Christy Brinkley girl in the Ferrari character in Vacation. That's like it's okay for them 1:12:161 hour, 12 minutes, 16 secondsto be to be hypersexual and for the male lead to get all horn dog over, but the 1:12:241 hour, 12 minutes, 24 secondsmother character should be should be much more stayed, you know, which is I mean in vacation it's even more ridiculous because it's 1:12:331 hour, 12 minutes, 33 secondslike you're Chvy Chase. You're married to a Beverly D'Angelo. I mean, what are you doing? 1:12:401 hour, 12 minutes, 40 secondsYou're insane. Kevin actually you're already massively punching above your weight, you know, like what is anyway. 1:12:491 hour, 12 minutes, 49 secondsThat kind of reminds me of like mobsters. Not that I would actually know, but in mob movies and TV shows, they kind of say, "I can't do that with 1:12:571 hour, 12 minutes, 57 secondsmy wife. That's why I've got my my girlfriends or, you know, my side chick or whatever." They can't. It's like they I don't know. It's a weird thing. So, it's sort of in this movie, too. 1:13:061 hour, 13 minutes, 6 secondsI I think there's Yeah, I think I think that is a trope. I think it's like a it's like a it's an old masculine thing of of you know there's certain women 1:13:151 hour, 13 minutes, 15 secondsthat are like you know mothers and carers and that's their role and you don't you know do certain things or see 1:13:231 hour, 13 minutes, 23 secondsthem in a certain way and but the dirtier things there's other women other more loose women that you know 1:13:301 hour, 13 minutes, 30 secondsI'm still going to do that just now with my wife I'm still going to do that just with the the other more loose women which we will and then there's this kind 1:13:381 hour, 13 minutes, 38 secondshypocritical thing of we will shame them for their looseness, but we'll still take advantage of their looseness. And it's like, of course. 1:13:451 hour, 13 minutes, 45 secondsOkay. Yeah, that that's Yeah, that's a bit hypocritical, but and gross. But yeah, it is. I'm so glad I have forgotten 1:13:531 hour, 13 minutes, 53 secondsabout the mysterious fantasy. She's kind of a throughout the movie, he has fantasies about her. 1:13:581 hour, 13 minutes, 58 secondsMhm. at first because the first time he sees her is in they're in a club and again Christy is wearing like a like a 1:14:071 hour, 14 minutes, 7 secondsbusiness suit to a club. Yeah. 1:14:111 hour, 14 minutes, 11 secondsLike what is happening? But they're in a club and Kevin Bacon's dressed normally like a normal early 20s guy. But okay, I'll get off that. 1:14:191 hour, 14 minutes, 19 secondsThis woman though, he sees her in the club and then she kind of falls into the bathroom and then they have subsequent scene like fantasy scenes. I thought at 1:14:281 hour, 14 minutes, 28 secondsthe beginning that he really did see her and that subsequent scenes he was imagining her or has she been imaginary the whole time? 1:14:361 hour, 14 minutes, 36 secondsYeah, I wasn't sure at first, you know, because the way it's presented obviously at first he sees her across the club and 1:14:431 hour, 14 minutes, 43 secondsthen we cut into a fantasy sequence where it's basically just the two of them in the club like looking across the rail at each other 1:14:501 hour, 14 minutes, 50 secondsand then you're like, okay, maybe that's just a maybe the whole thing's a fantasy, you know? Maybe he's just imagining seeing a pretty girl or 1:14:581 hour, 14 minutes, 58 secondswhatever. And then the bathroom scene happens and then I'm like, "Oh, maybe I guess she maybe is real, I guess." And then 1:15:051 hour, 15 minutes, 5 secondsand then and then again, like you say, when she subsequently see her then I thought, "Oh, maybe he's just imagining 1:15:121 hour, 15 minutes, 12 secondsthat." But then they have the the the conversation in the natural history museum and then I was like, "Is she real 1:15:201 hour, 15 minutes, 20 secondsthen?" And then and then but I don't know. It's also because like the way is kind of all kind of unrealistically 1:15:291 hour, 15 minutes, 29 secondswritten in the in you know she is very much the you know like this obviously several years before the the the term 1:15:371 hour, 15 minutes, 37 secondsmanic pixie dream girl was a you know a trope or whatever or named a trope that wasn't didn't come to the early 2000s but she's very much fits that category 1:15:461 hour, 15 minutes, 46 secondsof like she's just there to be a male fantasy and like all her lines are kind of like you know like she she doesn't have any 1:15:541 hour, 15 minutes, 54 secondskind kind of character of her own really and like you know and even when he's he's like oh are you married and and and she's like yeah and then and then she's 1:16:031 hour, 16 minutes, 3 secondsvery chill about that and this is basically well you know if you want to stay with your wife basically what she what there's a paraphrasing but basically what she says oh well if you 1:16:111 hour, 16 minutes, 11 secondswant to stay with your wife well that's cool if you want to follow me also cool but anyway I'm going to drift off in my you know marry pixie dream girl way and 1:16:191 hour, 16 minutes, 19 secondsyou're like because I just exist to you know for your pleasure or whatever Like so so it's yeah it's so the re part of 1:16:271 hour, 16 minutes, 27 secondsthe reason I think that you can never tell whether it's a fantasy or if it's supposed to be happening in reality of the movie is because all her lines are 1:16:361 hour, 16 minutes, 36 secondswritten as a fantasy. So you never get a sense of her as a an actual real person that if somebody would meet you know 1:16:431 hour, 16 minutes, 43 secondsyou guys let me know what you think. Did she start off real and then become more of a fantasy or was she a fantasy figure the whole time? 1:16:511 hour, 16 minutes, 51 secondsLet me know. All right. Now, the credit scene. They have a baby. Okay. So, that's, you know, that's kind of sort of 1:17:001 hour, 17 minuteslike the afterthought of the movie, right? The big buildup is the scene that we talked about in the hospital that was so beautiful, but they have a baby. 1:17:071 hour, 17 minutes, 7 secondsThere was a little bit of a misdirect. 1:17:091 hour, 17 minutes, 9 secondsWe think maybe the baby didn't make it, but of course, it's a boy. 1:17:121 hour, 17 minutes, 12 secondsOf course it did. It did. Yeah. So there's various people, celebrities, a lot of actors, most of which are Hughes 1:17:211 hour, 17 minutes, 21 secondsUniverse alums, sometimes even in their character as their character, offering possible baby names, most of them super 1:17:281 hour, 17 minutes, 28 secondsridiculous suggestions. Did you have any favorites or anybody that stuck out to you in that sequence? It was there was probably like 30 people maybe. I can't 1:17:371 hour, 17 minutes, 37 secondsthink I can't think of the names, but I I do think the standout just because he thought of such weird names was Dan Akroyd. Like his just riffing on coming 1:17:471 hour, 17 minutes, 47 secondsup with all these odd names, which feels like a very Acroy thing. He seems very adept at coming up with just wacky names for for characters and stuff like that. 1:17:571 hour, 17 minutes, 57 secondsSo, Acroyd was a standout. And it also was funny that Akroyd and drunk Andy were clearly clearly on the set of Great Outdoors. Yep. Yep. 1:18:081 hour, 18 minutes, 8 secondsSo was So was Bill Murray. Not on the Great Outdoors, but he was in He had just come over from a break from like Scrooge. Scrooge. He's definitely on the 1:18:161 hour, 18 minutes, 16 secondsset of Scrooged. Yes. Which is one of my favorite Christmas movies. Such a such a great film. And just really points to 1:18:261 hour, 18 minutes, 26 secondshow versatile Richard Donner, director of the Omen, Lethal Weapon, and The Goonies and Scrooed is. It's like and Superman, what a versatile director. 1:18:371 hour, 18 minutes, 37 secondsWhat a guy. Super. Yes, maybe you should do him. Maybe you should cover him. 1:18:411 hour, 18 minutes, 41 secondsDonner is a fascinating like for him to have directed like within a decade of 1:18:481 hour, 18 minutes, 48 secondseach other. Uh, you know, or or just over a decade. The Omen, Superman, you know, The Goonies, Lethal Weapon, 1:18:561 hour, 18 minutes, 56 secondsScrooged, you know, like in just over a decade. Like what a what a weird and wacky career that man had. But like but brilliant. 1:19:061 hour, 19 minutes, 6 secondsAgreed. So John Candy. 1:19:091 hour, 19 minutes, 9 secondsYeah. He was in the cameo offering a baby name. So this movie actually while it was supposed to have been released before Planes, Trains, Nmobiles 1:19:171 hour, 19 minutes, 17 secondsand we even see I think when she writes out a check, she writes 1986. Mhm. 1:19:211 hour, 19 minutes, 21 secondsOn her checkbook, but there was some delays I I think. So, it's interesting that we see she's having a baby is 1:19:301 hour, 19 minutes, 30 secondsplaying in the background in a couple of scenes in Planes, Trains, and Automobiles. Yeah. 1:19:351 hour, 19 minutes, 35 secondsEven though it hadn't come out yet when Planes, Drains, and Automobiles was released in 1987. I I think. 1:19:421 hour, 19 minutes, 42 secondsYeah. So, I remember from being on the episode. Yeah. Yeah. And so then that's interesting. 1:19:491 hour, 19 minutes, 49 secondsAnd then both John Candy and Kevin Bacon had cameos in each other's movies. One bit of trivia that I thought was wild 1:19:571 hour, 19 minutes, 57 secondsand I had to share a casting what if for Davis the best friend. Okay. 1:20:041 hour, 20 minutes, 4 secondsDo you know who Curtis Armstrong is? 1:20:071 hour, 20 minutes, 7 secondsCurtis Armstrong. I think I think I think from Booger from Revenge of the Nerds. 1:20:141 hour, 20 minutes, 14 secondsOh, I do know who Curtis Armstrong is. 1:20:171 hour, 20 minutes, 17 secondsHe's a fun actor. I couldn't like he is I couldn't picture him as a kind of lethario necessarily. 1:20:251 hour, 20 minutes, 25 secondsNo, I think it would have gone it would have had to have gone a completely different like wacky Yeah. 1:20:311 hour, 20 minutes, 31 secondsway like in that John Candy is like a a bachelor never settle down in Uncle Buck, but he's not like an attractive 1:20:401 hour, 20 minutes, 40 secondsAlec Baldwin type, you know? It would be sort of more like that, I guess. 1:20:441 hour, 20 minutes, 44 secondsYeah, I guess it would be more like that. also remember Curtis Armstrong is in a very funny John Cusack comedy 1:20:511 hour, 20 minutes, 51 secondscalled Better Off Dead which I which is quite a dark comedy it you know points because he's John Kusak plays a suicidal 1:21:001 hour, 21 minutesteen but like but it's actually way less depressing than that sounds it's been a while since I've seen it I I 1:21:091 hour, 21 minutes, 9 secondsthink that Alec Baldwin was the perfect Davis I mean it I feel like it works could have been written for him but I just thought that is a wild alternative 1:21:171 hour, 21 minutes, 17 secondswith Curtis Armstrong. Um, very Yeah, like you saying, they must they it would have been written very differently. I can only imagine. Yeah. 1:21:251 hour, 21 minutes, 25 secondsWas there anything that we didn't discuss that kind of jumped out at you or that you noticed and wanted to bring up about she's having a baby? 1:21:321 hour, 21 minutes, 32 secondsWe covered my favorite kind of fantasy sequences and stuff like that. And yeah, I did like you, I enjoyed them getting the job despite lying about everything. 1:21:431 hour, 21 minutes, 43 secondsMhm. 1:21:431 hour, 21 minutes, 43 secondsOh, one thing I one thing too I I I don't know. I know housing markets vary in different countries, but so this was 1:21:511 hour, 21 minutes, 51 secondsin the mid to late 80s and they buy a very nice house. Like on the inside it doesn't look nice, but we see they're like they live in this really nice 1:22:001 hour, 22 minutessuburban neighborhood on according to the the hirers of Kevin Bacon's character, slave wages. So, they're able 1:22:071 hour, 22 minutes, 7 secondsto buy a house, but the mother-in-law, as kind of a snide comment to the wife, 1:22:151 hour, 22 minutes, 15 secondssays, "Oh, it's amazing how little your housing dollar will buy now." Which in my head, I'm like, "That bought a [ __ ] ton. Are you kidding me? What did it buy in 1950?" You know what I mean? 1:22:261 hour, 22 minutes, 26 secondsNo, I mean, that's that seem that seems crazy. That does remind me of one thing actually that I have we maybe I haven't 1:22:331 hour, 22 minutes, 33 secondsdiscussed but like I one I think that's funny because I think that's like a movie and TV trope particularly like in in in that era where like you know 1:22:421 hour, 22 minutes, 42 secondspeople who are families who are apparently allegedly workingass living in these massive houses or whatever. 1:22:481 hour, 22 minutes, 48 secondsalso like I the that scene that you're talking about this door stretching. One thing I 1:22:561 hour, 22 minutes, 56 secondswould say is like I don't think this on top of the fashion stuff I don't think this movie does um good by Elizabeth 1:23:051 hour, 23 minutes, 5 secondsMcGovern's character. I think like it like for for me like the scene where they're setting up house and they're 1:23:131 hour, 23 minutes, 13 secondskind of like bickering about their in respective in-laws and there's like real comedic chemistry. That's a real fun 1:23:211 hour, 23 minutes, 21 secondssequence, but I don't think like Christy is given enough of those sequences. I think like you were saying, she's kind 1:23:281 hour, 23 minutes, 28 secondsof like set up as like this kind of very responsible, very prim and proper, very bunded up, very mature kind of mother type, you know, almost from the off. 1:23:401 hour, 23 minutes, 40 secondsAnd she's not really allowed to have much fun. And I think that like a I think a character can be both. I think 1:23:471 hour, 23 minutes, 47 secondsthey can be both a very caring, motherly type and and also be like fun and join in the the fun of the film. and she gets 1:23:561 hour, 23 minutes, 56 secondsa couple of moments and I think that's one of them where they have a bit of banter about you know her slagging off his parents and him slagging off her 1:24:031 hour, 24 minutes, 3 secondsparents and that's that's fun and it's one of the moments that I think feels most real to like a kind of the way couples banter and stuff like that and I 1:24:121 hour, 24 minutes, 12 secondsI just wish there was a bit more of that I wish her character was filled out a bit more she was a bit more rounded she 1:24:181 hour, 24 minutes, 18 secondswas seen beyond the scope of like mother carer responsible woman excellent point. I I very much agree you 1:24:281 hour, 24 minutes, 28 secondspointing out their dialogue and that sequence. Yeah, I agree on the Christy part where he does shine. Obviously, 1:24:351 hour, 24 minutes, 35 secondsJohn Hughes is he's a very good writer obviously. Yeah. But his dialogue is especially a lot of his movies are kind of known for their their dialogue, 1:24:431 hour, 24 minutes, 43 secondsespecially in Breakfast Club. But I for whatever reason, it really stuck out to me how good the dialogue was in the very 1:24:521 hour, 24 minutes, 52 secondsmundane neighbor conversations that they have seemed, you know, very realistic. just 1:25:011 hour, 25 minutes, 1 secondthe things that they talked about, how the women were with each other, how the men were with each other, and the back 1:25:081 hour, 25 minutes, 8 secondsand forths. I I was like, that seems very realistic for the 80s of what these neighbors would actually be talking about. 1:25:141 hour, 25 minutes, 14 secondsI totally agree. I I think that like that sequence is one of the funniest sequences in in the movie. And yeah, 1:25:221 hour, 25 minutes, 22 secondsit's it's probably an exaggeration of like middle class suburban life, but like the, you know, Christy is just 1:25:301 hour, 25 minutes, 30 secondsbeing talked at by by the other wives of the neighborhood who are just talking talking [ __ ] about like the the career 1:25:391 hour, 25 minutes, 39 secondswomen, but also talking talking almost exclusively about food. And then then the husband's like knowing all the 1:25:471 hour, 25 minutes, 47 secondsspecific models of lawnmowers and like just the like talking almost exclusively about that and like and yeah, it's an 1:25:551 hour, 25 minutes, 55 secondsexaggeration, but it's like a comic exaggeration. It really works because it is that thing of you know, you know, 1:26:021 hour, 26 minutes, 2 secondsyou've everybody's been to those kind of events where they're just b you know, there's certain types of very middle class suburban people. They're just 1:26:101 hour, 26 minutes, 10 secondsalways talking about house prices and the and the women are talking about certain foods or you know or clothes and 1:26:171 hour, 26 minutes, 17 secondsand the men are talking about kind of like their cars and their grills and their barbecues or whatever. That's the kind of things that obsess them and you 1:26:251 hour, 26 minutes, 25 secondsknow whether men or women obsessed with gardens you know they love gardens like um well the hoses I mean it was smart too 1:26:341 hour, 26 minutes, 34 secondsin that they there was like little payoffs that like the guys were talking about oh you don't know anything you you buy these cheap hoses you go through as many hoses 1:26:431 hour, 26 minutes, 43 secondstwo a year you'd be on your 18th wife by now and it sits out there and it gets all hot and you then when you wash the dog you burn the dog or something and 1:26:511 hour, 26 minutes, 51 secondsthen two seconds Later, one of the wives is like, "Paul or whatever his name is, go get the picnic table out from around the house or whatever." And then the 1:26:591 hour, 26 minutes, 59 secondsother wife yells at her husband, "Joe, whatever his name is, help him." And you haven't done anything to lift a finger to for this. And he said, "I washed the 1:27:081 hour, 27 minutes, 8 secondsdog." And she's like, "You burned the dog." So like little I was like, "Oh, that's cute. I like it." Yeah. It's It's fun. It's fun. It's very well written. It's very It's very fun. 1:27:181 hour, 27 minutes, 18 secondsYeah. Yeah. I think that Yeah. Well written. 1:27:211 hour, 27 minutes, 21 secondsvery interesting, very different than a lot of Hughes movies. Wellacted. 1:27:271 hour, 27 minutes, 27 secondsUm, I think it needed to be a little tighter for me. Like it Yeah. I think I think that's another difference of a a lot of Hughes movies. 1:27:371 hour, 27 minutes, 37 secondsA lot of Hughes movies are, you know, come in at the kind of 90 minutes. This is like an hour and 45. 1:27:431 hour, 27 minutes, 43 secondsAnd like for a movie that's like, you know, we talked about, you know, the reveal that she's not been taking the pill for 3 months. And for a movie 1:27:501 hour, 27 minutes, 50 secondsthat's called She's Having a Baby, that reveal comes in like about an hour into the movie. So like the whole baby having 1:27:581 hour, 27 minutes, 58 secondspart in the movie is like the last 45 minutes. It's a while to get there. Yeah. 1:28:021 hour, 28 minutes, 2 secondsYou know, so you you think for a movie titled that that that that would have come into the plot earlier than it than it does rather than just, you know, 1:28:111 hour, 28 minutes, 11 secondshere's a young couple's marriage and a baby comes at the end, you know. It's it's Yeah. 1:28:181 hour, 28 minutes, 18 secondsYes. And the book that he writes, the reveal at the end, has the same title as the movie. Yes. 1:28:241 hour, 28 minutes, 24 secondsSo, that was a nice little bow on the movie. I don't think I have any further thoughts, unless you do, Scott. 1:28:321 hour, 28 minutes, 32 secondsAny final thoughts on she's having a baby? 1:28:361 hour, 28 minutes, 36 secondsNo, I don't think so. I think we've gone over the positive negatives. I think there's more positives than negatives, and I think it's on the rated film. I 1:28:451 hour, 28 minutes, 45 secondsthink people I think people should should check it out, you know. 1:28:491 hour, 28 minutes, 49 secondsSo, a lot of it works, some of it doesn't. Some of the fantasy sequences are hilarious. Some of the fantasy sequences are just a bit weird. I think 1:28:581 hour, 28 minutes, 58 secondsthe one where, you know, she's not taking the pill and then they have sex and then it cuts to like this kind of, you know, these women in a boiler room 1:29:071 hour, 29 minutes, 7 secondsor something with very tight revealing clothing. That was just one of those ones I was like, "Okay, 1:29:141 hour, 29 minutes, 14 secondsI kind of see I see what you're doing, but random." Yeah. And like it's interesting cuz I think the one other 1:29:211 hour, 29 minutes, 21 secondsthing I will say is I think that like uh the way it looks is also a bit different 1:29:281 hour, 29 minutes, 28 secondsand a bit interesting. A lot of the movie is very stylized and a lot of the movie the particularly the fantasy 1:29:351 hour, 29 minutes, 35 secondssequences look like a music video and which I don't think other John Muse movies do. So that's I think that's the last thing I' I'd mention that 1:29:431 hour, 29 minutes, 43 secondsstylistically looks a bit different as well. 1:29:461 hour, 29 minutes, 46 secondsYou know that I'm glad that you brought that up. I could not put my finger on it but of course having a veteran movie podcaster on to to bring that up. 1:29:561 hour, 29 minutes, 56 secondsExactly. In addition to the tonal difference, visually it does seem like such a sharp contrast when you go in and out of those sequences. 1:30:041 hour, 30 minutes, 4 secondsGreat eye, Scott. 1:30:061 hour, 30 minutes, 6 secondsIt has been a great conversation. So, thank you so much for joining me to to cover the last of John Hughes written and directed movies that we're going to 1:30:141 hour, 30 minutes, 14 secondscover on RetroAde. Tell us where we can hear more from you. 1:30:181 hour, 30 minutes, 18 secondsSo, you can hear more from me from my two podcast. I mean, my other podcast that I don't do any longer is still on like Spotify, Apple Podcast, where 1:30:261 hour, 30 minutes, 26 secondswherever you get your podcast. So, that's New Horror Express. I kind of that's an interview podcast mainly. So, I interviewed a lot of people within the 1:30:341 hour, 30 minutes, 34 secondsindie horror industry. And then my other podcasts are both review podcasts, all '90s action all the time. We just cover 1:30:421 hour, 30 minutes, 42 seconds'90s action movies. We do it from the corresponding year in the '9s. So this year we're covering the movies of 1996. 1:30:511 hour, 30 minutes, 51 secondsWe've got our March and April episodes all ready to go. So you know that'll be the Phantom and Adrenaline Fear the Rush 1:30:591 hour, 30 minutes, 59 secondson on that's those two episodes. And yes, and then there's Bloody Sam, a Peck and Path fan podcast which is a 1:31:061 hour, 31 minutes, 6 secondsminieries I'm doing which will just be covering the 14 feature films of Sam Peek and Pa over the course of 14 1:31:141 hour, 31 minutes, 14 secondsmonths. And the March episode is on the Wild Bunch, which is possibly his most famous film. Very Yeah, I know that one. 1:31:221 hour, 31 minutes, 22 secondsVery famous. Very famous. Very famous western. I think that and Straw Dogs is probably the if people do don't know 1:31:291 hour, 31 minutes, 29 secondsPeck and Path at all. That's the one people that's the ones that people might have heard of. But yeah, no, he generally directs kind of Western and 1:31:361 hour, 31 minutes, 36 secondsaction action films. There's three available episodes. Maybe by the time this episode goes out, there might be four available episodes for for you to 1:31:441 hour, 31 minutes, 44 secondslisten to. All 90s action all the time, I think we've got maybe 75 76 episodes, something like that. Yeah. Dang. 1:31:511 hour, 31 minutes, 51 secondsYeah, we got quite a few. And yeah, and I mentioned earlier, New Or Express totally complete now, but there is 185 episodes. There's lots of lots of things. 1:32:001 hour, 32 minutesBinge away. 1:32:011 hour, 32 minutes, 1 secondLots of things you could listen to if you want to further del into my podcast. 1:32:051 hour, 32 minutes, 5 secondsAwesome. Well, I will have Scott's links in the show notes so that you can easily check out his podcasts. But yes, this is 1:32:131 hour, 32 minutes, 13 secondsour look back at She's Having a Baby and a Slice of 1988. 1:32:181 hour, 32 minutes, 18 secondsIf you have thoughts on this one or where it lands in the Hughes lineup, send them my way. And if you're enjoying 1:32:241 hour, 32 minutes, 24 secondsthe show, I really would appreciate if you take a second to follow rate and leave a quick review. I haven't gotten one in a long time. So, I would very 1:32:331 hour, 32 minutes, 33 secondsmuch appreciate you going on over and leaving a review, at least a fivestar rating. So, that would be most appreciated. And until next time, be kind. Rewind