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Super Bowl Lessons Bears Can Learn From HUGE Seahawks Win · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Windy City podcast presented by fansotted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can see that man right there, that is Alex Shapiro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am Kenneth Davis in this episode who will not be dedicated to the below Chicago Bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana Bears, perhaps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Iowa Bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that one too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That one really works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're making a lot of money going to Iowa and not the Bears fans having to travel that far to get to one or two games throughout the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll have an episode for that this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So make sure you check that one out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this episode's going to be dedicated to unofficial official holiday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course we all know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as I said, um, to see how to super hot, see, see how to see hawks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kick the Patriots in their throats, basically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 29 and 13, Drake may showed why Caleb Williams was drafted number one consistently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That old dude was rattled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was the West that you needed magic and we have the magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have the magic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you need a guy in the fourth quarter who can make the heavens open, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he plays for the Chicago Bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm joking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Drake may is going to have a terrific career and Caleb and him, and perhaps Daniel's careers will be tied together going down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not Michael Pinnick Jr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He blew it out already and that was the fear when he was coming out of Washington was those legs those shut that shoulder but really those legs But back to the Super Bowl listen
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[SPEAKER_00]: this is when those defense is let's start off right there on what we're really we've really got it done yes Sam Darnold was decent definitely he excelled against the rams to get them there but this defense and I haven't heard people say that enough this looks like it's a generational defense you know what I'm saying that it's up there now they have to they have to do this longer
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of up there with the Legion of Boom, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I'll use that one as a close of course to Seattle too, but I use that one as kind of a modern era teams with the style of play because For instance, like you think about the 85 bears team and the force to escape, you can get away, you can play that in a past happy league, you know, even if you could remember back in those days,
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[SPEAKER_00]: for people that were old enough while the bears lost that single game against Miami was because they spread their dashu and damn arena, spread it everything out in Duper and Clayton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that takes the four six apart because it's not concentrated with everything in the box the way that it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, enough talking about schematics.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I feel like the schematics are important, okay, and first of all, you mentioned the Legion of Boom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now it's the dark side defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: shout out John Schneider, the best GM of our time, you know, uh, the chiefs, the Eagles, Ravens, these teams, and their front offices get a ton of credit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The John Schneider, you mentioned the Legion of Boom, built the most dominant defense for like a three four-year stretch, and then just did again, you legit just did it again, and you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: camp chancellor, Earl Thomas, those guys leading that way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was again like very physical defensive backs, definitely with her spoon, etc.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like mixing it up, those Patriots receivers were in hell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those guys were in hell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They couldn't get open.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you also have to shout out the Seahawks, you know, just right off the top, the Seahawks coaching staff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: their film room staff saying they figured out a tell from the new England patriots offensive line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen what that tell is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if anybody's figured it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But basically they said, uh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: we saw the tell just like in poker, you know, poker players have tells so that you know whether they got the cards or whether they're bluffing, definitely whether spoon essentially said we knew exactly what was happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when you can play with the physicality that the
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[SPEAKER_02]: and you know, and you know, run or pass.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's, that seems impossible to beat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So shout out Seahawks defense shout out, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: shout out John Schneider and shout out that seahawks coaching staff for earning that out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're obviously going to give them a lot more flowers and we're talking about how this relates to the bears.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But but man, this the schematics is figuring that out on tape is is really incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Leonard Williams coming over some years back, Jared Reed, you've seen a Byron Murphy thinking about what he was coming out in the draft and democracy's Lord, so we know what he was doing with the cowboys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They put up the head that they had waves, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What thing we talk about on here is waves?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Got waves, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you could surf on those bad boys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they got.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they got guys and you know that you don't have to have a bunch of guys with double digits, but if you got guys with good numbers and you're sharing quarterback bodies as you go through the season, you can pull that off, I think, and I want to talk about something to take even though this is supposed to be Super Bowl based that will get more into the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also, because I want to talk about John Schneider in another way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When Alex and I, and we always play a game of reminisce, first along with Eric Strobel with Claire and Tony Gill took over our iteration of under center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that we had as on the internet, we had a picture of Russell Wilson as the avatar because it was Russell talk because one of the things was, the bears were one of the preferred teams that Russell Wilson wanted to be traded to that off season, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think at the consensus with all of us was
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[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds cool, but we don't want it because we knew that we were going to be mad that we gave where those draft picks and that Russell Wilson wasn't going to be good enough to overcome losing that those bad draft potential albums did you feel like that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it was an exciting prospect because this was before Russell Wilson completely fell apart with the Broncos, where we thought he might have a little bit of tread left on those tires.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The bear still had that defense the 2018 defense was obviously outrageous the 2019 defense while it didn't score as many points on defense They were still really good under Chuck Pagano It did feel like hey, maybe a guy like Russ could put this thing over the top this is twenty one right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is twenty twenty twenty one
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because we came together, I believe, in 2021.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, so let's talk about the 2020 season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a playoff bears team that was just embarrassing that playoffs because they couldn't score points.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They couldn't score points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the record for that playoff team?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, like nine and eight, they told me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like it was like a 500 team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I get the 500, if you give me a 500 playoff team, I don't give Lovey that credit for all, but remember Lovey's record that last.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they missed the playoffs, but they had 10 wins or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's actually got fired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was time, and that seemed, it wasn't going to be able to get over the hump.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, this is, I'll say, my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was exciting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One, it was content for us, and we were a new show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it gave us something to talk about, but my fear was, we've kind of done this before, or we think, hey, let's take this player and put them to the system, and it was like, you probably won, and Ristoffer gave Ristoffer Wilson's contract, and he was going to get an extension.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he probably can't, he's going to get paid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then you were going to be, how far are you going to be up against it with that issue?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, it didn't seem as a good idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got why, but I wanted a young quarterback at that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that didn't work out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That didn't enough being Justin Fields, but that didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I put the reason to get back to Seattle and why this super boat would have hurt so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is it would have been bears draft picks that were traded away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we saw that Super Bowl winner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this do you know how angry Chicago would have been at this Super Bowl?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Had they made it to the Super Bowl, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably how if I can use fans feel now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Consider it a day just one of a Sam Darnold?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Justin Jefferson's like, yes, I think about it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Forget forget, forget nine in his alter ego or hit the alter ego nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think about what happened to San Darna was still here with me, right like he said that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was not anonymous sources.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like no sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think about them, Donald, and I miss him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But just to think about how mad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and you know Chicago fans, we will let you know, like, man, I hate the fact that you did that and watching that team makes me feel like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I could just imagine listening to any radio stations, sports radio stations and the fit for Fervor that would have come from the Chicago fans had that been our picks that have gotten them like Denver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And look, but look, it's flip side of that, looking for what Denver, Denver almost made it to the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they did all of that and they were a game away for making it to the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if the bear's could have done that because in a different world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bear's wouldn't have gotten, the bear's wouldn't not have had Caleb Williams and if you don't have Caleb Williams, does Ben Johnson want to come to Chicago?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: probably not because you're right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, missing out on Russ leads to fields leads to that kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was just here and there's not all those picks and, you know, obviously we're playing a little sliding doors situation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could absolutely see a world in which Caleb Williams is not a Chicago Baron for us a Wilson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't make that trade with Carolina without the pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, look, I was thinking to sell the day that we still don't give.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what we've forgotten about?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've mentioned this coach before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a top five coach and bear's history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We still don't give Lovey Smith his praise for what he did and that takes a day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That last game of the year, allowing the bears to have to be able to get the first pick, which then the bears trade to Carolina, that pick would have been owned by Seattle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bears look, the bears made a play, they made the worst part is if the bears played bad enough to earn a top same pick, because that's not like if Russell was here, they would have gotten the first pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say they played bad enough to get a top 12 pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you knew it was going to Seattle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be like, man, especially the bears are really making noise in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in all fairness, lovey, and all of this in the bears being smart enough, even though let's go back and talk about a Ryan pace to not go after it, perhaps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know Seattle kind of pulled them back off the market because I think you get traded the next off season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe is when he got traded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't that off season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was off season of 2022 I believe is when Russell got moved because he was in he was in Denver for two years So I was 22 22 23 23 then he was with the 2024 He was with the Steelers and then this year 2025 He was with the Giants so I believe he got moved in the off season of 2022.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're correct
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, I mean, it's one of those things where it's if you ever read and I know for comic book fans, but now if you've watched Disney plus you see what if for me as a kid, it was what up the comic book, but this is you could say what if the TV show what if the bear is traded for Russell Wilson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right like what that domino and how it could have changed everything and what if what if the bear's prospects weren't as good even though you as you mentioned snatter could do anything he can make moves what if that ended up being a hindrance because of whatever which again this is me going way too deep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: into what if it's, but it's just interesting how it kind of comes back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is Chicago Bears Center Show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to some way make it come back to the bed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just interesting to look at what Seattle did, the fact that Sam Darno, I did get mad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was watching, um, I don't know if I was watching, uh, good morning America.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was watching some show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And their sports announcer was talking about that, um, Sam Darno,
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[SPEAKER_00]: was that he was the first quarterback to go from being a bust to Super Bowl and the chance to win a Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First question from that 2018 class to win a Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, and this is before our time, and I
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, look, you guys, I would have to go through sports magazines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got the internet, all right, to ask, hey, name this, no, Jim Plunkett for the Raiders was the first quarterback considered a bus because he was drafted by the Patriots, all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was basically a bus, they traded them to the Raiders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was a backup with the Raiders before getting a starting job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John I think that's a John man super well met no I made it was a florets florets I think it was a florets I think that was a florets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that was a florets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a Latin guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a student.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, this was in 1980 so this is a this isn't this like 80 80 on the dot I believe I think it was a Latin kid coach that the Raiders had I'm sorry I'm talking like I can't Google it myself after I just told you to do something
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Alex is on it and doing the strobe roll for us, right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rich Gannon was the MVP.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, this is 1980, Alex, 1980.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you say Rich Gannon?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is oh, you said Jim Blunkett.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know why you said Jim Blunkett and my brain went to rich gannon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a extremely strange.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Different different Raiders guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so sorry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was looking at rich gannon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I said junk rooted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, it jumped up with the so sorry, you know, he's a bust and he ended up winning a Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, this is just me being somebody in sports media and having to kind of know something not saying that I know everything, but it's just kind of just look it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, you don't have to look that far, the kind of know if someone has been in this position before, which Sam Darno was in and Sam Darno succeeded in and to think about the fact that Sam Darno got moved around as much as he did,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and he still isn't great, but he's a Super Bowl champion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't take that away from him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'm looking up Jim Jim Plunkett now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He took over for Ken Stabler.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ken Stabler.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not seeing who the head coach of that team was though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tom Flores you were absolutely right for us so Flores Tom Flores was I believe the first Latino to win a Super Bowl as a head coach I believe I could be yeah, but shout out Sam Darrell and to bring it back to the bears It's really interesting that this was a game without
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[SPEAKER_02]: a superstar quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was no Matt Stafford to win it for the lines.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was no Tom Brady to win it for the Patriots.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The round.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Buccaneers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who did I say that's effort to win it for the Matt Stafford to won it for the Rams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, I'm all over the place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Matt suffered, traded away from the lions to win it for the Rams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was no Joe Burrow to lead the Bengals to the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was no Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hertz, et cetera, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jalen Hertz who played unbelievable miraculous football in his Super Bowls, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could argue about his Jalen Hertz elite.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the guy who elevated his game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a superstar quarterback in those Super Bowls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This Super Bowl didn't have that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it in the right, the Drake May was far from a superstar.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, one of the worst performances we've seen in a super true, true, but it's also no superstar.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That guy was missing throws and was he made some very good throws.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He made some very good throws, but he also missed some big time opportunities and was never a moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think Drake may, if he goes on to be successful this as to his lore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because he got there so early against this, again, again, I think Alex to add to the story, depending on what this defense does over the next three to four years, if it's stabilized as being the top defense in the NFL or at least the top three defense and Drake made the comes a star, it'll be viewed as too early too soon and look at who he played against.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But getting to the Super Bowl with what the ceiling of what Drake may his career on one, just where he's at, but also with what Mike Grable has done with the Patriots coming back home to that team, like this this this could be a 10 this could be a 15 year run for the Patriots and if this is oh he can think about it, let's say Drake might get to the to three Superballs right and he's two and three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be back because at least he got to three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now it will be bad if he's
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chicago Chicago, OK, but he never wins one, but if this, he got there, and I'm with you, it was, he hadn't really done well these last few games as far as Drake made.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And let's look at the Patriots run into the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They played the Chargers who, I mean, you thought that Patriots offensive line was bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That Chargers offensive line was a train, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then they play the Texans where CJ Strowt is doing God knows what out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: CJ Strowt just completely collapsing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like Drake May was the star of that game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was the Patriots defense just having I mean for as bad as Drake May was like CJ Strowt and that game against the Patriots was like 10 times worse and then the AFC championship game you're playing the Broncos without Bomek Bonyx in a snowstorm
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where they scored 10 points were like, all right, that's a wrap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and then you had it, you had a coach making it not going for when he pretty stood just probably kicked a field goal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ty game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about Ty game now and that is a championship game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But my point is so there's no super start quarterback and we believe that the bears
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[SPEAKER_02]: have a superstar quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's already like now we're talking reckless and we're talking, hey, bears, Super Bowl possibilities in the future.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's already a tick in their favor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying the Bears would beat the CLC Ox, that defensive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the way the C Hawks did it, I think it's still worth noting without a super star quarterback with just like he was good quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't lose them the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He distributed the football.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He made the reads.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He did what he had to
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Kenneth Walker is the MVP of that game and for good reason for good reason Kenneth Walker was the heartbeat of that offense when they needed first downs when they needed to Generate some momentum when they needed positive plays the ball always found Kenneth Walker and Kenneth Walker delivered the defense
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[SPEAKER_02]: played out of their minds, where it's like, hey, okay, even in this day and age of Patrick Mahomes, even in this day and age of, you know, Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, et cetera, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can still win a championship playing lights out defense and run in the football, which by the way is something that Ben Johnson wants to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, the defense is not his thing, but this is a guy who
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The run game is the bread and butter for Ben Johnson and the seahawks just showed you can still win a Super Bowl run in the ball real well and then getting solid quarterback play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We believe the bears are going to get better quarterback play don't want the seahawks got out of this internal Caleb Williams the ceiling for Caleb Williams is much higher.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you marry that run game with a better quarterback with a moral explosive quarterback with a quarterback who can hit big time home runs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if the defense gets a little better, I'm not saying they have to be dark side defense because that defense was outrageous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now you're talking about like, okay, you could see the bears as a Super Bowl team before too long, in my opinion, because of that DNA in running the football and how important running the football still, I mean, that Patriots defense, they're no slouches.
21:25
[SPEAKER_02]: They're a very good defense in their own right.
21:27
[SPEAKER_02]: They did a very good job locking things down and keeping that close.
21:32
[SPEAKER_02]: But they were still able to run the football well, they were able to move the line of scrimmage.
21:36
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is something that the bear has got so much better at this year.
21:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Their run game, due to the offensive line, due to the run scheme, due to the player's executing.
21:45
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like a huge step forward.
21:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's really what the Seahawks wrote on offense.
21:51
[SPEAKER_02]: To go win a title.
21:52
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think bear's fans watching that, watching that Kenneth Walker performance
22:01
[SPEAKER_02]: with Caleb Williams and a run game.
22:05
[SPEAKER_02]: The bears could be cooking here.
22:07
[SPEAKER_02]: The bears could be cooking here sooner rather than later.
22:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the bears can, if they bring in and we've talked about this a lot.
22:15
[SPEAKER_00]: If they can bring you in a veteran defensive lineman and make a pick or two on day one or on day two perhaps day one or two, um, when it comes to the defensive line, you still have great Jared and I mean, this is this isn't gritty Jared of Atlanta gritty Jared, but you still have gritty Jared, dial, dango.
22:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Dio could be better used as a rotational guy than a starter from our turn or you add another vet to go with Montes wet, you add a young kid that's either drafted on day one or drafted on day two, maybe a day three pick.
22:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe you get another vet at during after cuts or maybe during the season somebody that's just situationally can be good.
23:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they can and then you give dog think about if you give and I know we set this a lot, but if you give Dennis Allen pressure.
23:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, didn't it's hard to have pressure?
23:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He had to generate pressure.
23:15
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have natural, four-dollar line and causing chaos, right?
23:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm whipping your ass.
23:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm whipping your five with four, all right?
23:24
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you gonna do?
23:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm a systems.
23:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't let me send this heat.
23:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you let me send this heat, right?
23:30
[SPEAKER_02]: So, it's very scary.
23:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the only thing now, and I think you've kind of hit on this, you're going to, I hope, well, I hope that the drafting is as good as it was last season, because you're probably going to have to hit on another rotational alignment.
23:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it'll be so if, if Ozzie DiPolo was healthy and you still was looking like to bring in, I got to get play, maybe tackle a guard, but then you still got Ozzie, if you've
24:02
[SPEAKER_00]: you saw you know what Newman can kind of do on the spot duty and I'm talking about his rotational guys because we just don't to expect your Garcenter Garcenter Garcenter Garcenter Garcenter Garc, right tackle to stay healthy throughout the majority of the season that could be a stretch unfortunately.
24:20
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'll say that in that department just here.
24:22
[SPEAKER_01]: They were very fortunate in that department.
24:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Dan Rochard may be one of those guys and may take them a couple of weeks.
24:29
[SPEAKER_00]: that, okay, sub, I can get you ready enough to play decent enough to where we can kind of keep what we're doing going.
24:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like he is, but we have to see another season.
24:41
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you can do that, because that's what really good teams are about.
24:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was a problem with the bears where I feel like the back end of like Naggies run.
24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the offensive line the last couple years were visible like in 2019, I think was one of the worst, but remember that last six games where with the hand made a miss match line, they finally figured it out, that was that that was the that was the one you said they made to the playoffs, they had a that line was getting his ass kicked that season in the middle part.
25:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And because everyone was hurt and then they finally with the pieces that they assemble it became somewhat stout and if you can do that is when I'm kind of showing hopefully doesn't take as long, but yeah, the bears they can have a special season of stuff overseas like that and make this money already has them being in the top five I believe.
25:34
[SPEAKER_00]: But they can, but I bet you just still have to see Adam and nobody thought you bring in and say I'm darn old.
25:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are going to not just go to Super Bowl when the Super Bowl right I was I was on a hoodie show and I think I chose kind of walker is one of the guys that can win a Super Bowl because
25:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Sharbernate was hurt, so he wasn't going to be split in duties and of course, because I was like, well, if Jackson's Smith and Jigman wins it, that also boops up Darnell, because he's getting on the ball and less it's a lot of crazy act on it.
26:11
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I'm like, but Kenneth Walker, that's he is and go line and whatever.
26:15
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's getting all of those carries and he listen, he's sustained and he was basically the offense and shout out to someone named Kenneth.
26:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm also he's helped me in fantasy a time machine back in the day, uh, which I need to get out.
26:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been procrastinating with sending out the funds guys if you're watching the funds will be out this week.
26:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so sorry to get in man.
26:36
[SPEAKER_01]: You said I'm all over.
26:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm a terrible commissioner and it's like I don't even have the money.
26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It's in it's in league safe, but I'll get the money out.
26:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll get I'm sorry.
26:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You know my task would kick him out as well.
26:48
[SPEAKER_02]: You know how I do now.
26:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of out here working hard and doing the podcast or everything kind of for his time in the chat.
26:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of kind of to save in the world and bringing us bears news.
27:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you this.
27:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you this Alex.
27:03
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
27:04
[SPEAKER_00]: The Patriots had a schedule that benefited them as far as helping them, aiding them to get to the Super Bowl.
27:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
27:11
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about what the Patriots are going to be in the next season or two?
27:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think they're going to have to figure out this tell thing is obviously troubling.
27:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no doubts that they will get that straight.
27:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Mike Vrable is the type of leader that they'll be around.
27:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know that division, that if their division is not that great, it's not like, I mean, it's awful.
27:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't see what Miami doesn't know which way it's going to go.
27:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, that's a terrible like, yeah.
27:50
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that defenses good.
27:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's always kind of suck though, Alex.
27:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Even when Brady was there, like outside of like Rex Ryan, well, who else was really coming for them?
28:00
[SPEAKER_00]: You Buffalo wasn't good, really back then.
28:02
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
28:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that?
28:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was a bad.
28:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been, it's been, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the
28:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to go back to college before you start saying that where there was some questionable stuff with Mark Sanchez, so my guy is my guy Alex, please don't say Marlene because my watch to Mark Sanchez in person at the University of Southern California, a lot of good football games courtesy Mark Sanchez.
28:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the Patriots will be around.
28:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they'll be around.
28:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Are they going to be Super Bowl contenders?
28:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, are they going to make it to the Super Bowl a year after a year?
28:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of like they did with Tom Brady?
28:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know about that because the AFC is better.
29:01
[SPEAKER_02]: It'll be interesting to see what the new look ravens.
29:06
[SPEAKER_02]: are all about it'll be really interesting to see what make McCarthy can do with the Steelers who's another guy who is just always one regular season games and not really had a ton of postseason success.
29:21
[SPEAKER_02]: It'll be interesting to see if like a change of scenery helps him.
29:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Josh Allen is going nowhere, even though they blew us an unbelievable opportunity this year to make it super ball and I don't think Bow next Trump painting the Broncos are going anywhere.
29:38
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of good teams AFC, um, there was one more thing I also want to talk about.
29:45
[SPEAKER_02]: As it related to homes, yeah, of course, I mean, like that goes with the fact say, all right, Patrick be homes and he read the chiefs will be absolutely just fine to cancel state chiefs, but yeah, they're also, well, wait, what is your family, what is it, well, think about that.
30:07
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so my father-in-law is actually a civics reporter.
30:12
[SPEAKER_02]: He recently retired, but he was like a civic development reporter for a long time in Kansas City.
30:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And his big drum that he beat throughout a lot of his career was getting the Royals to move downtown.
30:26
[SPEAKER_02]: So, we talk more about that baseball stadium moving downtown.
30:30
[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked a little bit about the chiefs and the moving, but it's more we talk about getting getting that baseball stadium built somewhere downtown, which has also had its fair share of difficulties and obstacles, et cetera, et cetera.
30:47
[SPEAKER_02]: But to bring it back to the Seahawks and something you mentioned a while ago, and again, how this could relate to the bears, how this can help Dennis Allen as he continues to build his defense and what the bears can accomplish in this draft.
31:01
[SPEAKER_02]: You talked about waves, right, how Seattle came at them in waves.
31:07
[SPEAKER_02]: but they didn't have like the one guy.
31:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Check this out, no, no player had eight sacks on that defense.
31:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Byron Murphy, Leonard Williams, and Nguosu, all were tied at the top with seven sacks to Marcus Lawrence then had six.
31:26
[SPEAKER_02]: So they didn't have the one standout guy, but they had the waves.
31:32
[SPEAKER_02]: They had the waves.
31:33
[SPEAKER_02]: So when people talk about, oh, the bears need a max cross, be they need a this, they need a that.
31:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they really, or do they just need enough guys, but they need enough really, really good guys to come in with with.
31:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And since we're talking about Trojans, the Mark Sanchez, I would be remiss.
31:51
[SPEAKER_02]: If I didn't mention, yes, we all know Sam Darnol is a Trojan.
31:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Leonard Williams, Trojan, Nguosu, Trojan.
31:57
[SPEAKER_02]: So, it just had, I talked about adding Tuli Tuli Palo Tzu years ago, good player.
32:05
[SPEAKER_02]: just add Trojan defensive ends, add Trojan pass rushers.
32:08
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the way to what I have to say this stuff.
32:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the thing.
32:12
[SPEAKER_00]: You say this all the time.
32:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Fast is where to get some words of direct line.
32:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
32:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Unless, of course, we're talking about the sphere of the earth and how you got to go, that's different.
32:22
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
32:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But the point being, what you just named to were two defensive tackles
32:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when you get a defensive tackle, yeah, when you get the DTs, two DTs with 14 sacs, that means quarterbacks of getting there, there you know what handed to them.
32:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, quickly.
32:43
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
32:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, no, he's on me.
32:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Last year too, last year with Milton Williams.
32:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
32:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And let alone block, block passes.
32:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you, when you, when those, when you have DTs coming at you like that, because for edge, you can step up in the pocket on an edge rusher.
33:02
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
33:03
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no stepping in the pocket when two DTs is Alex just said, you have to, a Milton and a Jalen Carter, and then you just have Byron Murphy and you have,
33:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Leonard Williams.
33:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Leonard Williams.
33:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love Leonard Williams.
33:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have Leonard Williams.
33:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, if you get the bands and that's another reason why the, the, the, um, Dexter, um, Dexter, um, Chervandak.
33:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
33:32
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it something is is the bars and retrograde some of that like because this thing like Usually like when brand you're like when people together art brains are clicking is to me is always usually something to do with the system.
33:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying in any type of man where we need to how we need spring.
33:50
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not saying it as an astrology way.
33:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, actually, physically way of what I'm saying that.
33:58
[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing again with what's the bear's D.C's name is just, I just- Sure, Von Dexter.
34:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
34:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Jervand Dexter.
34:07
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing with Jervand Dexter,
34:10
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to fix it.
34:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, because one, you got, you got, I mean, again, if he's gonna be here, he'll be part of a rotation, but he hasn't been that guy.
34:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Grady Jared is kind of maybe situation but he stuck here for at least another year.
34:24
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not gonna be able to cut him to after this season.
34:27
[SPEAKER_00]: You need a DT that is wrecking shock.
34:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You do, you need, you need that.
34:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So if the bears get a nice DT, all right?
34:36
[SPEAKER_00]: If they can have a DT fault of them in the first round,
34:40
[SPEAKER_00]: But I man, they need a tackle.
34:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And look, they found Aussie Chapello in a second round.
34:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, they could be a tackle in the fifth round.
34:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, they could be, well, whatever.
34:50
[SPEAKER_02]: But they could be a kind of that undrafted free agent.
34:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, Aussie Chapello again.
34:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Start all right, number 10 over a bit.
35:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, that part.
35:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, so the point being that you could, you could get a quality left tackle in the bottom of the first round.
35:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You still could get one in the second round, but if you get a nose tackle that can line up and start wrecking shop and then
35:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Dio, Shamar Turner, you know, play decent, but also you bring in a veteran like I've said and you're running You're cooking with that type of grease now the game is simplified Caleb gets more of the office gets more chances that it more series on the field because you're turning the ball over And I know they were turning on the eye clip now, but you're doing it by second to quarterback You're doing it with three announced and turnovers.
35:39
[SPEAKER_00]: The bears probably will have as many turnovers
35:41
[SPEAKER_00]: But they don't need to, if they're sacking or, or, or put them pressure on the quarterback, and they're getting a lot more three amounts.
35:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And what did that field position battle?
35:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Very point.
35:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Love it.
35:50
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
35:51
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
35:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is our Super Bowl episode to turn into a bears episode, but that's the point of the bears getting to the Super Bowl.
35:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And we will be here with you to celebrate.
36:01
[SPEAKER_00]: We will be there when it when it takes place to celebrate.
36:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though we will be celebrating them in our hearts because media and not really supposed to be out there like.
36:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sharing it in the press box.
36:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Be cheering in that box.
36:16
[SPEAKER_00]: We hit a bump in a champagne bottle, bump, bump, up, open in the front, like can't get out of here.
36:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm joking.
36:22
[SPEAKER_00]: For Alex Shapiro, I am Kenneth Davis for the Winni City podcast.
36:26
[SPEAKER_00]: We always appreciate you joining us.
36:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Next episode, we talk about location, location, location.
36:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Referring to where will the bear stadium be within the next three to four to five years?
36:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Will they be in Iowa, Indiana, Arlington, or Chicago?
36:42
[SPEAKER_00]: That'll be what we talk about next.