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#123: Adam Friedman / Breathwork / Photography / Simulation and Reality · Come Together with Ephraim Herschmann

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  Welcome to another episode of Come Together
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  Stout but I. Normal.
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  I got, I actually get, I get relief from hanging out with
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  people in a casual way. So I had people over last night
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  to watch UFC. Oh nice.
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  It's just like it evaporated it. It's crazy, like hanging out
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  with 10 people made my stress go away.
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  I almost had a breakdown before I came here.
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  Yeah, and I almost cancelled. Not because of you, just because
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  I had like crazy stress. What's on your mind?
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  Everything life, you know, like stuff in particular, but I don't
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  really. It's not that I don't want to
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  share. I just, I don't want to open.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, there's no way.
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  I'm like, I know this is going to be so much fun.
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  I already started. Oh, you started.
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  Oh, OK, so let's start. I'm sorry, but no, no worry.
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  But yeah. Oh, you have like a professional
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  thing? Oh no, it's just a nap.
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  You get it too. Hello and welcome back to Fe to
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  Fry. What is a fry?
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  Come together, come together. Come together.
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  We're back. We're live.
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  We're back. We're live.
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  Cheers, brother. Hi, dude.
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  I'm sorry we're doing this. Yeah, Took a couple of months,
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  but. Yeah, let's do it for sure.
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  We're doing it. So you had a lot of your minds
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  over the weekend, too? Both of us did, Yeah.
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  Where do you what? And you don't want to go into
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  it. But he described the sensations.
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  Dread, just dread. Yeah, I was I was having great
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  morning and then just like life ponders and my brain and
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  overthinking the you know, the machine was overworking and and
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  I also started to feel felt feel it in my body actually, you
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  know, like just like heaviness and like can control of my
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  breathing. And I was like, OK, I know I'll
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  just I'm going I'm going to go to FV.
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  It's going to be great. And already just like going on
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  the car, being in the car, starting the car, starting
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  driving. Oh this is going to be so much
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  fun. It changes.
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  It changes everything. Doesn't it?
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think motion helps.
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  I think like when like that's why like whenever I have a ton
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  of my mind, I love to go for a walk and I'll even talk it out
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  to myself. Like I'll even say out loud like
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  all right, man, what's going like?
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  What do we have going on over here?
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  Because like this is not like we cannot sit like this for too
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  long, you know, like, do you? I've come to recognize over the
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  years the sensations and for the most part realize what's caught.
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  Like, you know, for example, if I feel like I'm not being
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  creative or I'm not working on something that like is important
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  to me, like writing or music or exercise or whatever, I get, I
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  get down and I feel it. But it's a type of down that's
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  like, it's a, it's almost like its own flavour, its own time
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  of, of like its own, its own flavour of a feeling.
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  And I'm like, oh, I know that feeling.
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  That's the feeling of me not being productive.
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  If I sit down now and I write for 20 minutes, I'll probably
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  feel a little better. And I recognize that, you know,
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  and then there are times where it's a different type of feeling
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  and I try to force it and I try to resolve it with another type
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  of action and it doesn't work as well, you know, you know what
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  I'm talking about. Do you, do you find that you
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  have that kind like you come to recognize like different parts
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  of your like when you have ups and downs like where they come
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  from? Yeah, yeah.
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  And I think to to your point also that like being in motion I
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  guess helps or like doing something creative or something
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  like that. I thought about in the past.
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  And I think it's that stress is one thing, but like let's say
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  anxiety if that's what we're talking about or I don't know.
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  Yeah, sure. But it's a part of stress can
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  be, I think it's, and I think I told you this already, like we
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  spoke about it maybe the last time we hung.
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  And however you you speak English is is that it's kind of
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  like an alarm system, like anxiety.
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  I read it somewhere, I can't remember where, but it Rea it
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  resonated with me. It's like anxiety is kind of
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  like, Oh, something is not in alignment with you for you, You
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  know, it can be your work, it can be your relationships,
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  right? It can be social, it can be the
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  way you consume stuff, right? Your your relationship with
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  coffee, whatever it is, it can be small things.
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  It's things that you're you're uncomfortable with yourself
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  about. Yeah.
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  And sometimes just maybe not thinking about it and doing and
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  being in motion, it's a way to to deal with it.
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  And that can be like putting something under the rug.
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  Oh. You think so?
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  Maybe, Yeah. Like if you have something in
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  your life, let's say you know the company that you work for,
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  right? I'm just making it up right now.
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  Company that you work for is going to is gonna I don't know
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  what's it called, not break a leg, not.
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  Go go out of business. Yeah, thank you, but you got my
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  mind. I got it, yeah.
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  I got you gonna go bankrupt, but you don't want to think about it
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  because you don't want to think about, you know, the.
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  On your job and what that means. Everything so just like you're
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  putting it away and you know, you're playing squash.
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  Yeah, you're playing squash. You're going, you're going
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  golfing. So you're making yourself feel
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  good, but also that's not good. Yeah.
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  So, so I think it's it's like about being in alignment and
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  like being able. And the more you're going to not
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  listen to those alarms, those sirens calling right, physical,
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  mental, it's going to get worse. And sometimes it's also going to
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  manifest probably physically, right, because stress when it
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  accumulates, it's it's going to it's going to do something
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  right. It's going to eventually it's
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  going to show you Hey, notice something you.
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  Need to yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I carry it in my.
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  I literally feel it like in in between my rib, like where like
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  I guess my lower esophagus, like upper chest, like I feel it
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  tense and I carry it like right above my shoulders by like my
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  lower neck area. And like I, I, I, I come to
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  recognize it kind of like weight or heaviness.
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  You know, when I'm when I'm really stressed and like I
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  haven't realigned, you know, or if it's out of my control to
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  realign at the moment, you know, like, yeah, if you're waiting
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  for a paycheck and you know, you know, it's going to come in a
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  week, but like, it feels like forever and you have bills right
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  now. Like there's not much you can do
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  for a week about it, you know? I mean, you know, so for.
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  Sure. Yeah.
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  But that that's, that's actually a really good example showing
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  that it's something that it's, it's going to be OK, but it
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  still dawns on you, right. Like, or if that makes sense,
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  right, That it's just, it's hard, but and I have to control
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  it. Yeah, right.
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  Yeah. By breathing or moving or
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  whatever. Breathing helps a lot too.
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  Yes. Have you been going lately to
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  the? No, you know what?
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  I'm going to say that it's because I'm, I was.
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  I'm going to say on the surface, it's because I feel like I
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  haven't been able to. I'm not ready to go back, but
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  the truth is that I think that I'm not ready to deal with the
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  percussions of what I'm going to find.
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  You know, I know it's going to cause me to make choices and
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  decisions that I've been pushing off and, you know, consider
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  things that I've been like keeping, you know, keeping away
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  for now. Partly because I have so much
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  going on that I feel like I have enough to juggle.
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  I have to like, wait for this to all cool down a little bit.
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  And then that's why I was excited to try to trip yesterday
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  because I wanted to kind of take the time, like on a quiet
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  afternoon with no distractions and anything like that.
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  And just, you know, sit with it for for a while.
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  Ended up being so folk. I ended up being too focused on
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  what I'm not experiencing that I ended up missing the whole
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  experience. Yeah, exactly what I could.
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  I could have spent six hours just thinking and enjoying, you
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  know, and I was, I was so focused on is this, is this
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  right? You had expectations.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I had expectations. That's that's fine.
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  But yeah, but yeah, so I haven't gone back because of that, but I
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  found that there's two types of breath work that I try to do
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  that I know of, right. The one, the one that we're
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  talking about is the, you know the term, I think, but like
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  where you kind of get yourself into a psychedelic state where
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  like. Holotropic.
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  Holotropic. Reading or There's a lot of
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  names, but the the what the name I like is.
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  Called. Yeah, You want to describe it
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  the way it works. Holotropic in in short words,
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  and you know, try to sum it up, it's hyperventilation.
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  You're trying to hyperventilate and.
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  Does hyperventilate get more oxygen to rain or less?
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  More oxygen into the into the body.
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  OK, Access actually, right, That's tingly.
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  On. Your yeah, your extremities,
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  you're exactly, you're depriving your extremities of oxygen and
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  then your cramping. And then some say it's also, it
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  can be not the best for you. But I think really that's an
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  extreme. Really, if you're, if you're
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  intensely doing it and you're doing it a lot, it might cause,
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  I don't know, like newer, like neural stuff, you know, because
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  you're training the body to, to cramp in specific ways, right,
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  by breathing. And that that's not, doesn't
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  sound like it's a healthy thing to do all the time, right?
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  But listen, they're worse. I smoke cigarettes so that
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  that's probably worse, but it's, it's great.
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  It's great. I I think I told you the first
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  time I did it, I I just couldn't.
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  Like, I couldn't stop crying. Really.
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  Yeah. Bears Niftak.
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  How do you say that? Yeah, the wells, the wells open
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  the. Wells kind of open.
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  I couldn't stop crying and also I felt my whole body like
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  cramping. But then opening it was it was
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  beautiful. Honestly it was really fun and
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  liberating also. When When was this?
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  Three years ago, that's. Your first time trying it?
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  Yeah. First time trying whole Tropic
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  breathing. A couple years into living here.
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  Yes. And what else were you in your
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  life when you were doing that? Like what was like, what was
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  your, what was the state that you were in at that point?
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  Oh, very confused. That was very lost, very
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  confused. But also like, I love it, but
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  also it's amazing. Yeah.
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  We're talking about the the birds.
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  Yeah, for the listeners. This bag they they we have we
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  have keeps flying around Bluebirds Yeah like it's it's
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  amazing back I could just hang out back here and look at birds
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  all day. Nice.
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  Crazy. Yeah, I do.
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  Actually. You have a.
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  Small. I have the small zoo that's
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  actually great. It's really cool.
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  Iguanas, the cats, the birds, the lizards, Squirrels, the
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  lizards, the possums, the possums come back here.
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  Possums are good for you by the. Way I've heard that, but they're
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  scary. They they look scary because
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  they look dead yeah right. And the play dead.
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  But The thing is the nothing venomous or is it venom?
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  Yeah, venomous or poisonous? Actually, not nothing, but most
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  things can't hurt them. They're immune, right?
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  And they also, there was one more, there was one more thing
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  that they're they're really good for their environment, like
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  against pests and stuff. They're like they, they're kind
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  of like a dead thing, but they're actually good to living
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  stuff. Yeah, they just freaked me out
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  when I'm hanging out back here at night and, you know, just
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  like walk. They're cute, they're so small.
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  They look like, no, they're not sized rats.
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  They look cute. Yeah.
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  The first time I saw one, I was like, I don't even know what
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  this is. Like I don't even know what I'm
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  supposed to even Google. Like I don't know what it's.
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  I don't even know what I I never see anything like what do I have
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  in my? Backyard What is this?
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  Yeah, I was like, I think it's a possum.
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  And I was like, I don't know what that is.
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  Yeah, but that's awesome. So you were confused.
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  Yeah, I was confused. I was, I found, I found yoga and
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  I found psychedelics and breathing and I was on Khazar
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  Abe Chuva, which in English you can kind of say like.
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  You're turning to yourself. Finding maybe or finding God
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  right like this. There's this term.
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  So I had a lot of questions, you know, and sometimes I still do,
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  obviously, because we don't have the the answers.
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  But back then I was looking for answers, you know, in a lot of
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  places and the yoga practice, the movement and the breathing
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  and the philosophy, the scriptures even sure, different
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  stuff. And also and, and mainly
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  movement. But then breath kind of came in
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  very strong and then all Tropic breathing.
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  That was the first time that I did that and it was, it was
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  amazing. I felt it was.
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  Amazing to cry, by the way, it feels amazing to cry without the
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  without the walls up, you know, because most of the time when we
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  have our walls up, you know, we're depriving our body of what
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  it really needs. And crying is like an actual
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  like it's a release, you know, like it's a built up.
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  It's a built. Someone told me this and it was
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  so beautiful. All of like the great things in
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  life are build up and then a release moment yes you know, and
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  whether that's emotional, whether that's physical, whether
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  that's even like expectations and mentally, you know even.
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  Bringing a baby to the world, there's contraction and whoop.
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  Whoa, right. Or death, maybe even.
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  I don't know if they've experienced that.
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  Yeah. Not that I can remember my own
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  birthright, but but yeah, it's all.
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  Yeah, and including and including this.
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  But it's amazing. But it's cool.
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  It's cool. It's what I love these concepts
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  that are that could be applied across the board, like where
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  it's a, it's a general like statement and like you could
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  look anywhere. You could look in, you know,
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  nature, you could look in. I do too.
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  Yeah. It's, it's so cool, you know,
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  and that's one. Of them it's like truths, right?
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  Sometimes it's just like passwords.
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  But. But I like it, you know, it's
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  like something that resonates and it sounds good, right.
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  So, yeah, I I like it too. I feel you.
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  Yeah, but I haven't, I actually haven't went on a breath
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  workshop in a long, long time or like a class or whatever.
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  Or with my own life. I mean, I do breathe obviously
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  involuntary every day, sometimes voluntary.
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  I choose, you know, to take a breath like right now.
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  But you kind of reminded me going to those classes.
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  Yeah, that you, you shared about your experience.
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  And I was like, maybe I should go.
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  And then what I do now sometimes there's a great YouTube video by
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  Wim Hof. It's like in 11 minutes, I know
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  a lot of different techniques, I have a lot of books and but that
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  11 minutes video on YouTube is just great.
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  I'll. Put the link.
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  I want to put the link in the Yeah you just so people so you
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  can find it. Amazing.
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  That's that's going to heal the world.
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  Just lay down there. He tells you what to say.
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  Wim Hof, Wim Hof, you know, you know about him.
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  No, the Iceman. No, I'm not going to go into
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  into it too much because I'm not an expert about him.
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  But he also has a very interesting book.
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  But in general, he's a very special person that was able.
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  He's powering himself via breathing.
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  Like that's his thing. He was able to prove under under
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  tests, under lab tests, right. He was injected with cholera, I
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  think, or with like a specific what not what a type of a
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  disease, Yeah. Rather.
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  Maybe it's that if if I'm not mistaken, Yeah.
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  And with breathing, he was able to to like or.
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  Yeah, and it's proven. I'm not sure if it was Colorado,
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  Yeah, but he was Yeah. And then he was always not
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  always. He was also able to teach other
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  ten students and also to lead them through testing.
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  Wow. Yeah.
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  So not only it was replica, not only could he do it, he could
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  replicate. It with other people yes exactly
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  and also to keep his body warm you know in freezing water.
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  His thing is cold water and breathing and taking people, I
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  believe, naked. Yeah, I mean, it's breath in the
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  yoga is. Everything.
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  Breath is everything I try to get my students.
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  Life force. It is life force.
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  I try to get my students actually at the beginning of
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  classes because I totally understand what it's like for
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  them. But like the beginning of class,
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  you know, I have them at 4:00 or 5:00 four between 4:00 to 6:15
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  late part of the day. They're in school since 8:00 in
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  the morning. They're either bouncing off the
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  walls or out of there exhausted, you know, and and I get them.
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  They're they're fatigued, right. So a lot of times I'll put on
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  like this, it's called non sleep, deep rest breathing that
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  Andrew Huberman does. And it's 10 minutes and we don't
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  usually do it all 10 minutes. You just do 3 or 4 minutes just
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  to like get like them, to be just a little like recalibrated
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  is what I'll call it. Because I can sit there and yell
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  at them all I want. I can sit there and threaten to
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  throw them out all I want. But like at the end of the day,
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  they're wired. They're wired.
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  Yeah, exactly. What are you going to do about
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  it? So I'm like, OK, we're all just
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  going to take a couple of minutes and just take deep
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  breaths and just recalibrate ourselves and turn off the
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  light. And we do that and it and the,
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  and the quality of the performance of the class shoots
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  up. I mean, like, it is crazy, you
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  know, and, and all it is is. And anyway, and I was like, if
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  you don't want to do it, please just leave because I don't want
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  anyone to talk. And like, you don't have to do
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  it. I'm not making you do it.
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  Take a 5 minute walk because that might be what you need
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  instead of breathing right. You may need to stretch your
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  legs a little bit, you know, and then come back.
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  And the people that stay are like that.
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  You could see they're just like, they're back home again, Like
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  they're back in their heads again.
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  They're so used to just being responsive and jumping around.
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  And, you know, and your high schoolers, I mean, they're
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  filled with everything, you know, You know, And it's so, so.
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  But when my students like, why does this work?
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  And I'm like, well, think about everything.
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  I was like, if you're scared, someone tells you breathe.
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  If you're hurt, someone tells you breathe through the pain.
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  If you're trying to go to sleep, someone tells you, what are you
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  supposed to do? Take you know you're supposed to
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  breathe a certain. Way it's it's really there's
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  this book by Dylan Werner. Dylan Werner is a famous yoga
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  teacher on Instagram. Very famous is he?
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  He's the opposite of Instagram influencer.
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  He's a very, very. What's it?
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  Called formal. Not formal, I lost the word, but
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  it's fine. He's very into yoga and a lot of
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  research, OK, but also the scientific side and the
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  neurological side of how breathing effects our body and
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  our brain. And he wrote a book, The
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  Illuminated Breath. OK, great book.
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  And in the book, he, he says he puts in words in a really
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  beautiful way that it's the basically the steering wheel of
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  our nervous system, the central nervous system.
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  Right. So, Paris, are you?
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  Are you familiar with parasympathetic and sympathetic
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  systems? I feel with the terms but not
• 18:09
  off the top of my head. Rest and digest and fight or
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  flight, OK, right. So fight or flight is stress,
• 18:16
  right? And stress doesn't have to be
• 18:17
  negative, right? It's just stress, right?
• 18:19
  Cortisol is it might be to fight someone who's coming to attack
• 18:23
  me, a grizzly bear, right? Or it can be.
• 18:28
  I need to OK, I need to to do this thing right now.
• 18:31
  I need to clean the house in stress because I really want
• 18:33
  Yeah, it's a good it can. It's useful.
• 18:35
  Right, it's a good motivator. Yeah, exactly.
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  And rest and digest is, you know, procreation and having
• 18:41
  doing life and good stuff, you know.
• 18:45
  So we need both to have a balance and the breath is the
• 18:48
  steering wheel. But most of the time, no one
• 18:50
  teaches us how to breathe. Yeah, right.
• 18:53
  No one tells us. Oh, you can choose to breathe
• 18:55
  sometimes, like you said. Wait, are you angry?
• 18:57
  Are you going to cry? Which is OK, but maybe breathe.
• 19:01
  Take 5 breaths. Are you are you getting angry?
• 19:03
  Right. Try to control your nervous
• 19:05
  system. Try.
• 19:06
  In Hebrew, there's a saying. I'm going back to, to passwords
• 19:09
  because truths. I, I yeah, yeah.
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  Isn't. That strong, he's the person
• 19:15
  that could conquer his emotions, desires.
• 19:18
  Yes. His desires is is instincts, Not
• 19:23
  instincts, desires, desires. OK, sure, maybe.
• 19:25
  Yeah. Person.
• 19:26
  Yeah. Or yeah, I would say.
• 19:28
  Desires. Sure.
• 19:28
  We'll call that. Yeah, maybe there's a better
• 19:30
  word, but I think that's a good way to put it, you know, because
• 19:33
  and that those desires can be maybe to get angry with
• 19:36
  something or to get sad or something, or to get extremely
• 19:38
  happy. I don't think we should be
• 19:40
  monks, but sometimes they take over us, right?
• 19:43
  And then, I mean, I can say for myself, sometimes I feel like I
• 19:46
  have in the past, right? It's something's taking over me.
• 19:49
  And I'm like those kids in school, you know, they're
• 19:51
  they're not able to wait. Maybe this is good for me to
• 19:54
  learn right now or maybe to listen and doing this.
• 19:58
  So that book is also really great.
• 20:00
  You can also put it. I'm going to put the link on.
• 20:01
  Yeah, Jeremiah after that is to keep track.
• 20:04
  So we have that, we have that book, and we have the.
• 20:06
  Wim Hof, I'm not sure what's the name of his book I forgot.
• 20:09
  We'll find it. We'll be pretty easy to find.
• 20:12
  Yeah. That's awesome.
• 20:13
  That's awesome in yoga. And you and you and you looked
• 20:15
  and you looked into yoga. I don't know anything about
• 20:17
  yoga. I did 2 yoga teacher teacher
• 20:20
  trainings so I'm certified twice.
• 20:23
  What's that? What's that entail?
• 20:25
  Is that like? The truth is, well, if you want
• 20:29
  to go into it, I'm. Curious.
• 20:31
  I don't know. Yeah.
• 20:32
  Yeah, there, there. I'll tell you what came up right
• 20:34
  down to my mind. So it's actually the the Western
• 20:38
  world kind of took over yoga with capitalism in a bad way,
• 20:44
  but also in a good way that it brings this beautiful practice
• 20:47
  to a lot of more people, right? Most people think of yoga as
• 20:52
  this movement thing, right? It's just, oh, it's a workout,
• 20:55
  but it's not. But listen, I if like if you
• 21:00
  think that yoga is just a workout, but it brings joy and
• 21:04
  happiness and relaxation to your life, I'm happy for you.
• 21:07
  More, more, more power to you. Yeah, right.
• 21:09
  But I live. I like to to try to research
• 21:13
  more stuff be. So you know.
• 21:15
  Where the very self critical say.
• 21:17
  Again, you know it, started Bikram.
• 21:18
  Yeah, Bikram, Bikram. Bikram.
• 21:20
  Have you seen the the documentary?
• 21:22
  No, it's a very bad, good, bad documentary.
• 21:25
  Bikram was is an India guy that brought he's kind of stole or
• 21:32
  was inspired by some Ashtanga and some different practices and
• 21:37
  then made this thing Bikram yoga very hot closed doors and very
• 21:44
  military like 1-2 poses 3-4 and it kind of it became a cult.
• 21:50
  There's a whole documentary about it.
• 21:51
  He's now he doesn't live in the United States anymore.
• 21:53
  He made a lot of money and also harassed people and touched
• 21:58
  people and whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:00
  It's not good like that. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 22:02
  But he, he really brought yoga to the West, like big time.
• 22:05
  Yeah. You really helped it.
• 22:07
  So yoga. I don't teach yoga anymore.
• 22:10
  I did teach in a couple of. Spanios but you think.
• 22:13
  Very, very. To teach yoga.
• 22:16
  Yeah. Wait, what?
• 22:16
  Was the certification like so you had to take classes?
• 22:18
  On that I did, I did the first course I did online, which was
• 22:21
  meh, you know, I just did because I wanted to Yeah.
• 22:24
  Like an in person experience would always be better for you.
• 22:28
  Like you want to experience stuff, right?
• 22:29
  Yeah, online is really just for the certificate and to I want to
• 22:34
  say for the. Yeah, for your own faith, your
• 22:39
  own not knowledge or. Not or like I can do this
• 22:43
  confidence, confidence. Thank you.
• 22:45
  This is an interesting episode. It's in a Hebrewish.
• 22:47
  It's great. I love.
• 22:48
  It because a lot of these ideas, by the way, what I love about
• 22:51
  like using particular words, especially in Hebrew, is that
• 22:55
  Hebrew is a language where context makes all the
• 22:58
  difference. And so like you can have two
• 23:00
  words for the same thing, but they're done in totally
• 23:03
  different ways. You know that.
• 23:05
  And so like it's about the amount of intention that you
• 23:08
  what kind of attention you're putting behind the action.
• 23:10
  And it could change the entire word like bita kon is a
• 23:15
  confidence, like in a, in a particular way.
• 23:18
  But there's other words for like faith and there's other words
• 23:19
  for like, you know, similar concepts, but just in different,
• 23:24
  like different applications of that idea, you know?
• 23:26
  So it's fun to like use particular words to understand
• 23:28
  like why, why you're using that, you know, and for your own comp.
• 23:32
  Yeah. So it's cool to I, I think it's
• 23:33
  great to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:35
  Probably. I like it too though.
• 23:36
  We have, we can, we can do that. We can do the 2 languages.
• 23:40
  Yeah, yeah. It's cool.
• 23:42
  So so gave you. So gave you.
• 23:43
  And then the 2nd and the second part.
• 23:45
  The second certification was in person.
• 23:46
  Yeah, I did that in Mexico. I'm also as a photographer, I
• 23:50
  went to take photos for them, so I was able to also get paid to
• 23:55
  do photography and and to indulge in the teacher training,
• 23:59
  which was great. It was so relaxing.
• 24:01
  It was a. Was it corporate kind of thing
• 24:02
  or not really? Do you do corporate kind of
• 24:04
  things? What?
• 24:05
  Like what do you mean? Like what company?
• 24:06
  Like how you place? Corporate events, photography,
• 24:10
  some not, not even. I have the full time job so
• 24:13
  sometimes I have like gigs on the side, but it's not that
• 24:16
  often. Yeah, do.
• 24:17
  You like them? The the side.
• 24:19
  Drunk gigs, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I have a lot of like
• 24:22
  couple couple for like engagements, yeah, yeah, or
• 24:26
  maternity and stuff like that, whether it's friends or or I
• 24:30
  have a friend that she's a producer.
• 24:33
  So I work, you know, she has clients and I work Cool.
• 24:35
  OK. So that's always fun because
• 24:37
  it's always, it's around like such happy events, you know,
• 24:41
  like proposal, dude, every time I go to shoot a proposal,
• 24:45
  there's like crazy excitement, you know, like the setup of the
• 24:47
  whole. Then people come to set up the
• 24:50
  the thing and then they come and you can take your like your
• 24:52
  cheeks hurt, you know, because you see them and it's like a
• 24:58
  main core event in their life. Like he's proposing to her.
• 25:01
  Whatever. Right.
• 25:03
  And and just so happy every time I go, like my yeah, my cheeks
• 25:10
  hurt. It's so much fun.
• 25:13
  Yeah. And, and weddings and stuff like
• 25:15
  that. It's just, it's only, yeah, it's
• 25:18
  a boost, of course, of course. But on the other hand also the
• 25:21
  after, you know, in photography you also, you edit after.
• 25:24
  And sometimes that that can be delightful because it's like
• 25:27
  wow, art, you know, beautiful photos and, and editing and
• 25:31
  filtering. But sometimes it can be also
• 25:33
  just like work. When so my wife and I for our
• 25:38
  wedding photographer. I didn't really care at the
• 25:43
  time, although I still don't. I didn't super, super care, but
• 25:47
  you could see with different photographers that they have
• 25:49
  different styles and like recurring, like you can look at
• 25:52
  10 weddings that they shot and like you can kind of see it like
• 25:55
  almost like a language, you know, like the same type of
• 25:57
  style. That's like throughout the whole
• 25:59
  thing, you know, and I got you get to invite like so you know,
• 26:02
  do you is that does that? Like for example, I'm trying,
• 26:10
  I'm trying to find the best way to ask this when I play, when
• 26:12
  I'm now, when I'm practicing guitar, then I'm trying to be
• 26:15
  creative on it. I'll practice something new and
• 26:18
  I'll find myself getting stuck in that like doing that same
• 26:20
  kind of riff, right? Like that same kind of motion or
• 26:23
  style. And so on one hand it's cool and
• 26:26
  it's my own thing. On the other hand, it almost
• 26:28
  gets like autumn, like it becomes default.
• 26:31
  It becomes like thoughtless, you know?
• 26:34
  You know, I'm saying like, it's not, it's not intentional.
• 26:36
  It's just like, oh, there's now a new riff that I like, a new
• 26:38
  style, kind of a riff that I'm going to do.
• 26:40
  Billy Strings is talking about how that's why he still has like
• 26:42
  music teachers because he's like, I find myself especially
• 26:45
  I'm doing shows that I kind of do similar thing and I kind of
• 26:49
  get stuck. In and he's trying to
• 26:50
  breakthrough those. Yeah, he's trying to
• 26:51
  breakthrough. That can break new creative.
• 26:53
  Grounds. So how do you connect that to
• 26:54
  what you were saying? Because with the photography.
• 26:56
  Not in photography to to like your own sound.
• 26:59
  So you're saying you're trying to breakthrough Yes to make.
• 27:01
  Something new, I get stuck, I get stuck in, I'll find
• 27:04
  something new, I'll it'll be cool.
• 27:06
  I'm not get to make a habit out of it, right?
• 27:08
  And even though it's cool and it's my own unique thing, I'm
• 27:12
  not growing, you know, like I'm not like I'm not growing.
• 27:15
  I'm not getting to the next level.
• 27:17
  You know, I think you're talking about, and correct me if I'm
• 27:19
  wrong, from what I'm understanding, sounds like
• 27:22
  you're talking about two separate things that you know
• 27:25
  that can correlate, but it's like 1 having your own sound or
• 27:31
  your own eye, your own language. For the style and.
• 27:34
  Art even talking right and then trying to develop that thing.
• 27:39
  So you're talking about those two?
• 27:41
  Yes, that's what I yeah, yeah, but.
• 27:42
  Yeah, I understand. You right, right.
• 27:44
  So what I'm asking would be, do you think that photographers,
• 27:49
  when they have like a style, is it because they're stuck like in
• 27:52
  like a habit that's like, you know, that's something they got
• 27:54
  started with and it's familiar? Or do you think it's just the
• 27:56
  style and that's just the way they express themselves and
• 27:59
  these nuances within it? That's an interesting question.
• 28:01
  I think. So I'm trying to generalize, you
• 28:06
  know, like a person spins into an an art form.
• 28:12
  Let's talk about photography, right?
• 28:15
  OK, so you lift the camera, you look into the viewfinder and
• 28:19
  like the way you're seeing so much stuff and then you're going
• 28:23
  to freeze that thing. So are you going to zoom in?
• 28:25
  Are you looking deep into details?
• 28:27
  And your thing is macro? Like are you trying to show
• 28:30
  shapes or are you trying to show like a big thing, like very wide
• 28:35
  maybe, or you're trying to show animals.
• 28:37
  What, what? And all those things, all those
• 28:39
  questions. It's it's personal preference,
• 28:42
  right? So a person would go, go and
• 28:47
  capture and do I, I want to believe what they love, you
• 28:51
  know, what they like. Usually it's like that.
• 28:52
  Some people create for for other people, right?
• 28:55
  Some people create for maybe the consumer, the viewer sometimes,
• 29:00
  which is also okay. But I can tell that my own
• 29:03
  experience, like I started and friend love with photography
• 29:06
  because wow, I had so much fun to capture different stuff.
• 29:09
  And I think that you can definitely get stuck, you know,
• 29:14
  and not and think maybe it's a thing of self improvement.
• 29:17
  Maybe, you know, like you think, Oh, this is great and you're
• 29:21
  just this is, you know, my, my photos are great.
• 29:25
  Look at my photos, my photos or you're enjoying to look at your
• 29:28
  photos and you're satisfied. I, I can tell you that I'm very
• 29:33
  self critical. And so I'm, I'm, it's very hard
• 29:35
  for me to satisfy myself with my creations a lot of times.
• 29:39
  So I'm like, this can be better. I can frame this better, the
• 29:42
  lighting can be better. Oh, I this it's a sometimes it's
• 29:46
  sickness, sometimes it's a gift, right.
• 29:48
  I think all of us have it to different extents.
• 29:50
  Yeah. And and I think that that's
• 29:55
  where it correlates what you said earlier, right.
• 29:57
  The improvement and the and the language.
• 29:59
  So also when Billy Billy strings talks about what his guitar like
• 30:03
  he already has. And the more you go into that,
• 30:06
  you know, trying to, to be better and being self critical,
• 30:09
  I think that you're developing your own because it, it's always
• 30:12
  going to be your language, right?
• 30:14
  Because it's always you expressing.
• 30:16
  And it's your own criticism to your own language, too.
• 30:18
  Yeah, it can be inspired, right, by, let's say, Billy, by Doc
• 30:23
  Watson, right, or John May or by Billy King or by whatever.
• 30:27
  So it it can always be inspired, but it's always you that's going
• 30:31
  to do it. And your question was actually
• 30:34
  if I think it like if you can get stuck.
• 30:36
  Yeah, some people get stuck and you know, oh, this is great.
• 30:39
  And they don't try to develop. So you've seen your development
• 30:43
  in photography over the years. Like you've seen, like if you
• 30:46
  look back at like the way I think of it is like, I look back
• 30:48
  at all poems, old poems I used to write, you know, from five
• 30:51
  years ago or even a year ago, six months ago.
• 30:53
  And I don't even recognize who wrote this, you know?
• 30:56
  Like, do you feel that way about your picture, about your
• 30:57
  photography that like you look back and you'll be like, I did
• 31:01
  that? Like, you know, like that's not
• 31:02
  like that, you know? No, no, I, I, it's not, it's not
• 31:04
  like that. It's like who did that?
• 31:06
  But definitely I can see difference, you know, like
• 31:09
  that's a very amateur, amateur photography at first, you know,
• 31:13
  like I see what I was trying to get, but it wasn't refined.
• 31:16
  There are some. So maybe in every art form there
• 31:19
  are rules, right? There are basic rules like in
• 31:22
  photography the rule thirds right how to frame stuff.
• 31:25
  Or what's that? The rule so you have a
• 31:28
  rectangle. For example I'm showing Fe my
• 31:31
  phone screen black front screen. So if you put 2 lines.
• 31:36
  Split up. Into thirds, Yeah, 2 lines into
• 31:38
  thirds and then across horizontally and vertically,
• 31:42
  right? And then you have 4 dots in the
• 31:44
  center where they connect. So that's a rule for.
• 31:47
  So with that rule thirds, you can do a lot of different things
• 31:51
  with framing. You can play something here that
• 31:53
  would be interesting. Maybe the eye of the person.
• 31:56
  Then there's clear opening over here.
• 31:58
  Or maybe you can just have I, I, I kind of got, I need to show
• 32:02
  you like, yeah, yeah, like more stuff so it will be more clear.
• 32:05
  Visual. That's a.
• 32:06
  That's a good explanation. Though Yeah, so so then and.
• 32:08
  The and the and the point is that there's general points
• 32:11
  where people look in the picture that you're trying to capture
• 32:14
  their the point eye. So yes, that, yeah.
• 32:17
  So the point is there are rules in different art forms, right?
• 32:21
  And yeah, for the rule Fords, it can be that exactly that is
• 32:25
  going to attract a person's eye. Yeah, eye, but then you want to
• 32:31
  learn those so you can break them, right.
• 32:33
  There's everybody says that, but and I think I think it's true
• 32:37
  because if you if you don't even learn the rules, never I think
• 32:43
  very special stuff can be created, very beautiful stuff
• 32:46
  and think, you know, like I never learned that you need, you
• 32:49
  know, to use the rule thirds and then you have a very special
• 32:52
  perspective, which is amazing. And that's even like more artsy
• 32:56
  maybe. Yeah.
• 32:58
  And it's great. But if you learn then I I don't
• 33:01
  know, actually, I don't know. I was trying like I was going
• 33:03
  down in in the thought chain of like what's better?
• 33:06
  But I don't think there's that's bet there's better or not.
• 33:09
  It's just. It's whatever speaks to whoever,
• 33:11
  but there could be. Yeah.
• 33:11
  But I understand the concept of you finding your way within the
• 33:18
  in order to be able to be good at something.
• 33:20
  There's almost like a basic structure.
• 33:21
  And then you can choose to play with those rules or not.
• 33:23
  But like you have to understand the way that it works to begin
• 33:26
  with. Like, you have to be able to.
• 33:29
  Yeah, I, I think so. I'm saying make sense.
• 33:35
  Yeah. In order to be able to break the
• 33:36
  rules of guitar, you have to know the rules of guitar.
• 33:39
  Like you have to know like how to play the game in order to
• 33:42
  break the rules. Not not really that.
• 33:44
  I mean, you don't think so? No, because if you give like a
• 33:46
  10 year old a guitar and you just tell him play, you know
• 33:49
  it's. Not going to sound very good
• 33:50
  though. Maybe maybe they they might be
• 33:54
  able to teach themselves to listen right and then they have
• 33:57
  no. Idea of rules.
• 33:59
  They have no idea of rules, right?
• 34:01
  And they just make sounds that can sound good.
• 34:06
  Great, that work. Yeah, that can happen.
• 34:08
  That's what I'm saying, you know, and I'm that's.
• 34:10
  How Blues happened, I guess right And jazz, all that stuff.
• 34:14
  Blues is technically like, musically wrong.
• 34:17
  But it has rules. But it has.
• 34:19
  Rules. It has rules, the 1st, the 4th
• 34:21
  and the 5th, Yeah. And it has like a way of how you
• 34:24
  play it and, you know, the turn or the turnover.
• 34:26
  And it's like, so I don't know. It's interesting though, but
• 34:31
  it's it, it's also interesting to think about that because with
• 34:33
  photography, I mean, now I do it, you know, to, to bring
• 34:37
  income and money. And sometimes I also do it for
• 34:40
  fun for myself. I want to say, I want to say I
• 34:45
  kind of peaked in photography, if that makes sense.
• 34:49
  I mean, just because I choose to, right?
• 34:52
  It's like I, I, I don't, I don't do it for fun as much, right?
• 34:56
  Because of I, you know, it became a profession and then,
• 34:59
  OK, I'm, I'm doing it for money and this and that.
• 35:02
  And sometimes I still do it for fun.
• 35:03
  And that's what, that's where I went and where I enjoy and I
• 35:07
  learned some more stuff, but I'm not, I'm not so interested in
• 35:11
  learning so much more about photography anymore.
• 35:14
  I still do it for fun, but that's where I'm, I'm, I'm good,
• 35:18
  you know, I'm just having fun with it.
• 35:20
  And I'm not, I'm not trying to be any more professional
• 35:23
  anymore. Artsy, OK.
• 35:25
  But I, I do, I I do try that with music now, you know, with
• 35:30
  writing songs and with getting better at the guitar and even
• 35:35
  performing, you know, we go to the open mic together.
• 35:38
  Yeah, and that's really fun. That's really fun.
• 35:42
  What you, you know, it's cool. It's, I don't know if you
• 35:45
  realize this or you appreciate this to the same extent, but
• 35:49
  very few people I think get to like, they're get to get paid to
• 35:52
  do what they love like that, you know, like to be a photographer.
• 35:56
  And so you had a passion that turned into work and then they
• 36:00
  turned into work. Are you happy that you like
• 36:04
  that? Like what do you, what do you
• 36:05
  feel about this? Just do it again?
• 36:06
  What do you think about this? I've heard that so many times,
• 36:09
  so many people. Every time I told them, well,
• 36:11
  I'm a photographer or I like to do for them, then that's what I
• 36:13
  do. And so everybody is not
• 36:15
  everybody, but that's how it's in my mind, you know, like, wow,
• 36:19
  that's so good for you. And so and and the question.
• 36:21
  Is. What do you think it's?
• 36:22
  True. And it's not my experience and I
• 36:24
  think, I think it might be, I think it might be sometimes
• 36:29
  because I, I, I couldn't be grateful for that, to be honest,
• 36:32
  right? Like.
• 36:34
  I think it's hard to, I think it's hard to be grateful every
• 36:36
  single day from 9:00 to 5:00 to take it and not take it for
• 36:38
  granted at a certain point. Right, yes, that that's one.
• 36:41
  But also, maybe there were sometimes that it's not exactly
• 36:45
  the route that I wanted to go, but I also never really paved a
• 36:54
  route for me to go, you know, so.
• 36:56
  So at the end of the day, I'm just, yeah, Now if you ask me,
• 37:00
  I'm happy. I'm happy where I am.
• 37:02
  I'm happy. And we, we, we.
• 37:04
  So would you recommend to people to have their passion be there
• 37:10
  nine to five job like mixed passion with responsibility I
• 37:15
  guess is the way you can put it if.
• 37:18
  Ask it again. Do you think that mixing the
• 37:22
  passion and the fun with a professional environment, like
• 37:25
  you have to like get like work done and like get a number of
• 37:28
  things done and like blend them together, is that I don't?
• 37:31
  Think, I don't think I'm actually a good example of that,
• 37:34
  to be honest, because as I said, like now, photography is, is a
• 37:38
  means to an end for me. OK, I still do it for fun, but
• 37:42
  it's a means to an end. It's not like, it's not like no,
• 37:46
  it's a means to like to, to pay rent.
• 37:48
  You know, photography, it's I do it to to pay rent where my
• 37:53
  passion is actually music right now.
• 37:55
  So I have, you know, some dreams and ideas about maybe, you know,
• 38:00
  maybe even making money from music, right.
• 38:03
  So if I'll be able, you know, and I have some planning and
• 38:06
  some stuff that, you know, I'm thinking about that if I will
• 38:09
  pay for road and I'll be there when, OK, maybe have a gig, you
• 38:13
  know, at a bar or somewhere, maybe even tour at one point,
• 38:16
  you know, then, then maybe you can ask me that question again
• 38:20
  and I can tell you, but I don't know, you know, I don't know.
• 38:23
  But I, I, I am thinking a lot about that.
• 38:30
  There's we only have one life and we only have one
• 38:32
  opportunity. And we kind of, it's sometimes I
• 38:36
  look at it like black or white, right?
• 38:38
  And it's like we should do, I should do what I love.
• 38:44
  I'm very extreme sometimes and sometimes I'm very stubborn and
• 38:47
  like thinking that way. But but, but there is a great,
• 38:52
  you know, there is, there is an in between and it doesn't have
• 38:54
  to be an extreme. So now I'm I'm a happy camper.
• 38:58
  You know, it's not always good and I'm stressed and sometimes
• 39:01
  life gets, you know, over. With that is life, though,
• 39:03
  exactly I I've kind of come to terms with it.
• 39:06
  I've come to terms with the fact that, like in order for my life
• 39:08
  to be great, there has to be times that are hard and in order
• 39:11
  for you know, like I think that's just what I think that's
• 39:13
  what it is. I think that you don't you take
• 39:15
  it for granted at a certain point.
• 39:16
  I think I really I think that's human nature.
• 39:18
  I think the human nature is that if something we're very quick to
• 39:21
  adapt to familiarity, you know, and so in something was
• 39:24
  familiar, it's very easy to take to take it for granted and to
• 39:27
  lose your appreciation for it, you know, And like it was
• 39:31
  actually interesting because I for I probably had a three or
• 39:35
  four year period where all I listen to is Springsteen.
• 39:38
  I was a huge Springsteen nut and it really meant like the world's
• 39:42
  because he really the way that he wrote and played and
• 39:46
  performed all I got would only listen to his live shows.
• 39:49
  Like the way that he performed. Like you felt the humanity and
• 39:53
  the emotion and the struggle and the joy and the loss and the
• 39:55
  pain and everything like dialed up to 11.
• 39:59
  Like you like you felt it through the microphone, through
• 40:04
  the you felt the the crowd. You can feel the crowds tension,
• 40:07
  you know, in the in the recordings.
• 40:09
  It's incredible, right? Like it's really, really
• 40:11
  amazing. And you're if you're driving
• 40:12
  along and you listen to, you go listen to half an hour or the
• 40:16
  full 3 hour thing and like. Go for the whole ride, like
• 40:21
  like, and you don't have to be there like it's, it's so it's so
• 40:25
  potent that it carries over into, into a, into a recording,
• 40:29
  which is really, really cool and really, really rare.
• 40:31
  But I was wondering, I was thinking to myself, like this
• 40:33
  guy at a certain point, I realized like he's doing this
• 40:38
  four days a week, 2 sets a night, you know, how does he
• 40:42
  keep up like that? And he's doing the same set, you
• 40:46
  know, like, don't you think like the lyrics start to lose like,
• 40:49
  you know, like, do you think like, don't you think the lyrics
• 40:52
  are to lose me? Like I know, but.
• 40:54
  Well, as Bruce Springsteen, yeah.
• 40:56
  Tell you that yes, no, no. But I, I, I it's.
• 41:02
  I've seen, I've seen that interview, I've seen that
• 41:03
  interview, I think. That it's something that like,
• 41:05
  so I'm used to listen to 1 recording and I'm like, wow,
• 41:08
  that's so amazing. But like, was it like, you know,
• 41:12
  like do you? I, I don't like.
• 41:14
  Why, why? Why do?
• 41:15
  Why do you do? You think you can.
• 41:17
  Why? Why that level of enthusiasm for
• 41:18
  that long? I don't know, but why?
• 41:21
  Why? Why do you question it that
• 41:23
  that's interesting? I question it because when I
• 41:28
  practice anything, yeah, and I practice the same thing for a
• 41:32
  really long time, I get sick of it.
• 41:35
  And if I'm making no money and going to a different towns three
• 41:41
  nights a week and playing two sets in the same song and
• 41:43
  telling the same story twice a night.
• 41:45
  And by the way, maybe I am hooked to the telling the story
• 41:49
  and watch and feeling the interacting with the audience.
• 41:51
  You know, like Jerry Garcia used to say that the audience was a
• 41:54
  bigger part of the show than the band is.
• 41:56
  The band can be incredible. If the audience doesn't respond,
• 41:58
  it doesn't mean anything. Maybe, maybe it's this.
• 42:00
  I'm going to be like a poetic, you know, It's like it's love is
• 42:05
  not is not enough and anything. It's also once you you
• 42:08
  understand you have love for something, it's it's so much
• 42:11
  work and devotion, right? And you have to find more
• 42:15
  develop the meaning develops and changes and grows, right.
• 42:19
  And a lot of artists would say, you know, it's for the song,
• 42:22
  it's for the words and then it's for myself.
• 42:23
  And that's for my wife and that's for the audience.
• 42:25
  And that's for God, right, Whatever it is for, for each
• 42:29
  their own. And it's very interesting.
• 42:33
  It's very interesting. So I'm I'm saying it like I know
• 42:36
  it, but I don't know. But sometimes it feels like it
• 42:39
  would would movement for me sometimes doing like workouts,
• 42:43
  mobility, anything that I move my body.
• 42:45
  It's the to feel better to take care of my mental health
• 42:48
  physically, to take care of myself.
• 42:49
  So I'm as as I get older, but also because I love it and I'm
• 42:54
  I'm willing to work at it, but it's also this.
• 42:58
  It means something new this. Warrior.
• 43:00
  Warrior mentality. You know that, Kobe.
• 43:02
  Kobe. Like if you know, like everybody
• 43:05
  knows Kobe and his thing was he loves it.
• 43:08
  So his his way of loving it was, oh, I'm going to work the
• 43:11
  hardest. You think he didn't, you know,
• 43:15
  got over it a certain point. Like it's who wants to wake up
• 43:19
  at those hours to work out and then to train and then to play
• 43:24
  and then to win and then never try to lose.
• 43:26
  And when you lose, you probably feel the worst right to be.
• 43:29
  And that's like a warrior mentality.
• 43:30
  And that's, that's kind of like trying to be a warrior for love,
• 43:34
  you know, if we're trying to be poetic.
• 43:36
  So I, I your questions. Yeah.
• 43:38
  I I I hear you. That's a really interesting.
• 43:40
  That's a really interesting thing, thought.
• 43:42
  Yeah. Even just the notion, because I
• 43:44
  guess as you're saying that the thought that came to my mind is
• 43:48
  to feel out is praying, you know, like it's the same, it's
• 43:51
  the same, it's the same prayer. And I say 3 freaking times a day
• 43:54
  for 30 years, you know, and, and it means something different.
• 43:59
  Like it means something different to me every single
• 44:01
  time that not every single every time I pay attention to it, it
• 44:03
  means something different to me. I can say that right.
• 44:05
  Every single time that I try to apply and translate in my head
• 44:10
  the words to the context of what my life is, I'm like, whoa, like
• 44:15
  it means something totally different now than it meant a
• 44:17
  month ago, you know? And like, I guess on a
• 44:19
  day-to-day basis, the meanings change because you're changing.
• 44:23
  Yes. So I guess it's a great answer.
• 44:26
  But you're also you're you're, you're sticking to it.
• 44:29
  And that's that's the. And you're sticking to it too.
• 44:31
  That's the hardest thing to stick to something right in the
• 44:34
  in the bad and in the good right and all of it.
• 44:38
  That's what people are very having a hard time with.
• 44:41
  I feel. I feel like nowadays, or maybe
• 44:43
  it's just me, I don't know, but with with with work, I have a
• 44:47
  lot of friends, you know, they change work constantly.
• 44:50
  Relationships, you know, marriages are very hard.
• 44:53
  You know, have been with the same person.
• 44:57
  Just like sticking with something, whether sometimes
• 45:00
  it's for. I think if it's from love for
• 45:03
  love, it would be the best. It sounds so cliche, but that
• 45:07
  probably would be the the best thing to try and do right.
• 45:11
  And and that doesn't sorry. And that doesn't mean that it's
• 45:14
  all butterflies and giggly and fun and cozy.
• 45:18
  It just means that like, let's take Kobe's love for basketball
• 45:22
  for the game, right? Or messy love.
• 45:25
  It's not easy. There's there's sweat, right?
• 45:29
  And. There's losses and there's
• 45:30
  buzzer beater misses and there's everything and then and then
• 45:33
  there's a buzzer beater scores, you know, and then there's the
• 45:36
  chance. Stress, insane stress, you know,
• 45:39
  like fighting, fighting for, for that thing, you know, so.
• 45:44
  That's great, by the way. It's great that you're telling
• 45:47
  me this because again, you know, we just, we're just saying right
• 45:49
  before I started recording, but I think you started I'm feeling
• 45:53
  burnout. You know, I've been feeling
• 45:55
  burnout and, and the thing that gets me through the burnout is
• 45:58
  like I know I'm burnt out for now.
• 46:02
  Like I know that like everything I'm doing are things I want to
• 46:05
  be doing, you know, And so like, I just need to recharge my
• 46:09
  batteries, but like it's there like in the back of my head and
• 46:12
  it's like I'm so tired, but it's not, I'm not happy to be doing
• 46:15
  this. It's, I'm just tired, you know,
• 46:16
  like it's just. I feel you and I want to be so
• 46:19
  supportive, but under the under, but under the shade of Kobe
• 46:23
  because we brought him under the shade.
• 46:25
  I feel like did Kobe ever take took time off?
• 46:28
  No, no, no. I think I think we should need
• 46:31
  to. I think, you know, I'm
• 46:33
  completely joking and I don't think yes, I mean, dude, I, I
• 46:38
  sometimes burn out and I just lay in bed, you know, like I
• 46:41
  have to. The way I've been thinking about
• 46:43
  it was like, really, I have, let's say, legitimately like 8
• 46:52
  to 10 really important things that that to me that are really,
• 46:56
  really important that I invested on a day-to-day on a daily
• 46:59
  basis, right? Like guitar playing my family
• 47:04
  learning you're doing a. Lot.
• 47:06
  You know, I'm doing so teaching. My tales I told, Daf I told.
• 47:10
  I don't know how he juggles all that.
• 47:11
  Dude, the best. I.
• 47:12
  Don't two kids. You have a baby at home, you
• 47:15
  have religion, you have work, you have two, two jobs.
• 47:18
  Yeah, and the podcast 2 Jobs in the.
• 47:20
  Podcast and you're doing. And jiu jitsu and, and I'm and
• 47:22
  I'm trying to play and I'm trying to get better guitar and.
• 47:24
  That's awesome. And.
• 47:25
  But that's awesome. That's inspiring.
• 47:27
  Also, to be honest, like, you know, it's really easy to to
• 47:31
  kind of just get stuck, you know, not trying to develop in
• 47:33
  something and get stuck and like, oh, I have enough on my
• 47:36
  plate or I'm good or whatever. But no, there is more to life,
• 47:40
  more to experience and more to to try to, to to get after, you
• 47:45
  know, it's yeah, sometimes it feel it's a burner ride, like I
• 47:48
  don't wanna chase so much I can just rest and that's OK and take
• 47:52
  a. You think it's a bad thing that
• 47:53
  it comes from a place of fear though 'cause it it comes from a
• 47:56
  fear of not fulfilling my potential and wasting my time
• 47:58
  and not doing everything. I want wow, that's I don't know
• 48:01
  if I can answer that No for real, I don't know but.
• 48:05
  What do you think? What's your reflux without any
• 48:08
  clinical advice? Well, we'll say that this is.
• 48:09
  Clinical like this is not therapy sessions with us.
• 48:16
  What are you thinking? Who am I?
• 48:17
  I'm laughing by myself. Yeah, yeah, I'm joking by myself
• 48:24
  from fear, like if a doing it like every like.
• 48:27
  I am like what drive? What propels me is like, I don't
• 48:32
  want to check out before. Like if I checked out now.
• 48:36
  I think that's. A good thing.
• 48:37
  I think that's a good thing if it's driving you like it's going
• 48:41
  to take a toll, I guess, you know, to everybody, right?
• 48:44
  Yeah, the stress and all that, but I think that's a good thing.
• 48:46
  You only we only get fucking one shot.
• 48:48
  You only get one shot, right? Get one shot.
• 48:50
  I feel like I'm not feel like my stress tolerance is actually
• 48:53
  like pretty low. I feel I'm very, you know,
• 48:55
  gentle and like I get overwhelmed very easily.
• 48:58
  So honestly, I think that's good to be able to stretch your like
• 49:02
  to, to, to stretch your limits and be able to tolerate more
• 49:06
  stress and then to be able to get after more because it's,
• 49:10
  it's about expansion, right? Be able to hold more, right?
• 49:14
  And love life doesn't get easier, right?
• 49:15
  The, the, the more you grow up and you get older, get older
• 49:20
  more, more, yeah. More responsibility.
• 49:22
  Heavier, yeah, but yes, yeah. And.
• 49:25
  Responsibility is weight. Responsibility is weight.
• 49:27
  It's the weight of you, of you choosing to take the burden of
• 49:31
  people or things and people that you love around you.
• 49:34
  But that's weight. That's still weight, you know,
• 49:36
  and like muscles that you grow as as time goes on, you know,
• 49:41
  but at a certain point you need to give yourself recovery time,
• 49:43
  otherwise your muscles won't, you know, won't be growing, you
• 49:46
  know? But the only thing that I was
• 49:47
  thinking that could potentially be the downside and maybe, and I
• 49:50
  haven't figured this out, is I feel like every motivating
• 49:54
  factor could have like a negative side and a positive
• 49:57
  aspect too, right? So for example, like am I, am I
• 50:04
  teaching because I love teaching or my teaching because I think
• 50:08
  other teachers are bad teachers. And like those are two very,
• 50:11
  very different motivating factors that could lead to very,
• 50:14
  very different responses, right? They might get to the same place
• 50:17
  and I might think and like they. Could also live together.
• 50:20
  They could live together, right? But I would imagine that my love
• 50:25
  for teaching would When something's coming from a more
• 50:29
  positive place, I think it has a lot more life and enthusiasm to
• 50:37
  it. And when something's coming from
• 50:38
  a little more negative place, you might be more effective, but
• 50:41
  you don't get that joy the same time while you're doing it, you
• 50:46
  know? So it's been what's been, I
• 50:47
  guess, you know, kind of like eating at me a little bit is
• 50:51
  that I feel like I'm doing all these things, but I'm not
• 50:53
  enjoying them. I'm getting them done because I
• 50:55
  want to get them done, not because like, I'm having fun.
• 50:58
  Doing, I think that's good. I think that's OK.
• 51:00
  You know, like, yeah, sometimes you have the initial idea or
• 51:05
  thought of, hey, I love it. It's what we kind of talked
• 51:08
  about, right? And then the love maybe goes
• 51:11
  away and you're becoming Sisyphus.
• 51:13
  You. Just and it comes back and it
• 51:14
  comes back to. Push the, the, the, the rock up
• 51:16
  the hill every day, right? And it's just OK.
• 51:18
  I don't feel love right now to teach those kids like I'm tired.
• 51:22
  I have a lot of stuff on my head at home, at work, whatever, and
• 51:27
  I need to teach them how to breathe and then how to.
• 51:31
  I can breathe myself. I'm sure about it.
• 51:33
  Right? Yeah.
• 51:35
  Sometimes it's just to do the thing, I guess.
• 51:38
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to figure I got to, I
• 51:43
  got to find that balance. It'll be good.
• 51:45
  Yeah. We'll work on it, man.
• 51:46
  It's all. It's all.
• 51:47
  I'm constantly trying to. It's it's so much fun.
• 51:51
  It's such a, it's such a trip. It's such a trip.
• 51:53
  But yeah, what do you man? There's so many, so many
• 51:58
  different directions I want to go.
• 51:59
  I want to go from here because you brought up so many different
• 52:01
  things while I was speaking that I wanted to circle back to.
• 52:04
  I'm sorry, though. That's good.
• 52:06
  That's great. One of them was that the idea
• 52:10
  that people are having have a hard time committing to things.
• 52:15
  Yeah, maybe. Maybe that's maybe that's me.
• 52:18
  Harding to commit to the subject.
• 52:20
  No, no, no, well, this in general, I love to I love to
• 52:23
  free flow. I think it's I think I think
• 52:24
  it's I think it keeps it fun. And especially if you can kind
• 52:28
  of keep, I look at the conversations that gives like a
• 52:31
  epicenter and then there's little webs that like spring
• 52:33
  from it and then like you can try to find their way back to
• 52:35
  the center and then back, you know, web out and then find
• 52:37
  another way. And then like listening back to
• 52:39
  this, you're going to see that the whole conversation had a
• 52:41
  theme and we've been exploring different like sidetracks along
• 52:45
  the way, you know, but has a theme for sure.
• 52:47
  That's it happens a lot without even me realizing it most of the
• 52:49
  time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:50
  But I've been thinking a lot about that too, because people
• 52:58
  have, you know, the divorce rate is super high.
• 53:03
  The people, people are not choosing to be in relationships
• 53:06
  more than like ever. People aren't choosing to be in
• 53:08
  friendships more than ever, you know, and there's very, it
• 53:18
  almost feels like a lot of people think, what's the point,
• 53:20
  you know? Because I think that what makes
• 53:23
  someone commit to something is the promise of something, you
• 53:26
  know, of something great happening at the end.
• 53:29
  You know, a lot of people grew up with what happened to the
• 53:31
  end. Like seeing what happens at the
• 53:32
  end is like, OK, like big deal. You know, who cares?
• 53:35
  You know, like, why bother trying?
• 53:37
  You know, like it almost feel, it feels like there's a gloom
• 53:43
  that's like a social gloom that's in a lot of people.
• 53:47
  And there's no springs, by the way of, like, life that pop up
• 53:49
  like, like the open mic world or like, you know, the Billy
• 53:53
  Strings world where like, someone who's taught I was in an
• 53:56
  interview with actually super cool.
• 53:58
  I had such a great time. This guy's name is Dennis
• 54:00
  McNally. He was the Grateful Dead's
• 54:01
  publicist. Nice.
• 54:03
  That's very cool it. Was so cool did Jerry Garcia
• 54:06
  walked him down the aisle with Bill Krochtman, who the drummer
• 54:09
  and he wrote four books on the on like how black music and
• 54:14
  white music meshed in the 50s and 60s about Jack Kerouac,
• 54:18
  about the Grateful Dead and about how bohemians and beatniks
• 54:22
  turned into hippies. So that was that was a super
• 54:25
  cool, you know, conversation. But one of the things we were
• 54:29
  talking about is that the most explosive creativity comes from
• 54:34
  periods of gloom, you know, like comes from like periods of like,
• 54:37
  like, you know, like where everyone kind of feels down and
• 54:39
  like a couple of people will be like, no, like we're not going
• 54:41
  to let this happen to us. You know, you think, you see
• 54:44
  that, you think that happens is happening in today's world.
• 54:46
  You think like, we're having some of that now.
• 54:50
  What are the positive things that we look that you look for
• 54:52
  like that are like hope in like today's world?
• 54:54
  Because I feel like, yeah, you're a pretty hopeful guy, and
• 54:56
  I am too. We try to live our lives like.
• 54:59
  Try. To but you, you live your life
• 55:01
  like that, like you choose to be in a happy, you know, in a
• 55:05
  relationship, you choose to pursue your passions and like
• 55:07
  put your effort and time into it instead of saying, yeah, well,
• 55:09
  it's probably not going to work. You know, like you choose to do
• 55:12
  that, You know, what do you think feeds that and what do you
• 55:15
  think keeps that going? I've tried nihilism.
• 55:17
  Yeah, I've tried. Not for how long.
• 55:21
  Yeah, not for long. Not for long.
• 55:23
  I read a little bit about it and I was just like, yeah, it was
• 55:26
  just do. You see what people can cling to
• 55:28
  about it. Like, do you see what's
• 55:29
  attractive about it, do you think?
• 55:31
  What do you think people like seeing it?
• 55:33
  Maybe it's cool, you know, like maybe it's, I don't know.
• 55:36
  I'm just saying. But you don't.
• 55:38
  You saw it. You're like, no.
• 55:40
  Yeah, it's just like it's not fun, right?
• 55:43
  It's, it's lacking fun, it's lacking colour.
• 55:45
  You know, life, but also life can be, you know, you can, you
• 55:51
  can feel down, you can be depressed.
• 55:53
  So so. But you don't.
• 55:55
  But that doesn't define it. It doesn't like, like when you
• 55:58
  have down period, you're not a down person when I meet you.
• 56:01
  I don't think this guy's like dead inside, you know?
• 56:04
  I think that this guy's got, this guy's got lots.
• 56:07
  Of fun, but I but I have I have dealt with with, I want to say
• 56:10
  not not really diagnosed, but you know, like in high school
• 56:13
  definitely felt depressed. And so so I think I think that
• 56:21
  to your point, I'm I'm talking I'm looking at the bigger
• 56:23
  picture. I think it's because it's hard.
• 56:26
  It's hard nowadays with with technology in 2025, with the
• 56:32
  news, with how our day to days are built for most adults,
• 56:37
  grown-ups, right around the phone, a technological thing,
• 56:41
  right, that's taking over our brain and our chemistry and our
• 56:46
  hormones. And sometimes I don't even try
• 56:50
  to look to people in the eyes, you know, because I'm looking
• 56:53
  down, dude, and I can't read them and.
• 56:56
  Headphones also do that to me by the way.
• 56:57
  Headphones. Airpods if I'm walking in Costco
• 56:59
  even if I'm not even. Like even if I'm not looking at
• 57:02
  my phone. I find myself avoiding people's
• 57:05
  eye contact when I have my headphones in for sure.
• 57:07
  So we, we already lost the village, you know, the, the, it
• 57:11
  takes a village, right to raise a kid or to, to live.
• 57:14
  So we already lost the village like years ago, obviously,
• 57:18
  right. But now, but now even more so.
• 57:21
  It's really hard and without being depressing because we want
• 57:24
  to be hopeful, but it's, it's just really trying to, to find,
• 57:29
  to find within yourself your friendships and be able to
• 57:32
  really care about the people that are around you and not to
• 57:36
  look at the negative stuff in your life and in their lives.
• 57:40
  And, and it's, it's really hard. It's, it's, it's work as well.
• 57:43
  It's. How would you teach someone, if
• 57:45
  someone asks you how to make a friend, how do you teach them to
• 57:47
  make, to make friends, to make a new friend?
• 57:49
  Because I think a lot of people, a lot of people are looking for
• 57:52
  friends and a lot of people. Don't know how to get them.
• 57:53
  Do you think you can teach? I think it's just.
• 57:55
  I think, yeah. I think you can, I think that
• 57:58
  tell me, I think that friendship is, is the, is the experience of
• 58:06
  having some kind of something in common or some kind of shared
• 58:09
  interest with another person and then establishing a sense of
• 58:13
  trust based on that interest. Right.
• 58:15
  So for example, when you and I met.
• 58:17
  Right. Yeah, we were clearly both.
• 58:19
  I I could tell obviously you're Israeli.
• 58:21
  Yeah. You're, you know, a tattoo.
• 58:23
  Yeah. And and then and I saw and I
• 58:27
  heard and I could even tell just by your vibe, like your style,
• 58:30
  the way you played. I was like, this is a dude I
• 58:32
  could talk to. And then I think even though you
• 58:34
  started a conversation with me, we won't have music in common,
• 58:39
  you know, at 1st and then we start talking and then we
• 58:41
  establish a sense of like, he's someone that thinks similarly to
• 58:44
  me. And so I could trust him.
• 58:46
  Maybe he's in, maybe he would understand this part of me.
• 58:48
  And so I open up with that kind of aspect, you know, a new
• 58:51
  aspect. And then, oh, now we have not
• 58:54
  only do we have common, you know, interest, but we also have
• 58:56
  a sense of history. Now I'm vulnerable to him.
• 58:58
  I've shared something new with him, but he is also experienced,
• 59:02
  you know, and, and then that kind of just snowballs by
• 59:07
  itself, I think. Right.
• 59:07
  And so I think from there. But what was necessary to begin
• 59:11
  with was for you and I to both be in that open mic place at the
• 59:15
  same time. You know, like I would never
• 59:18
  have spoken to you if I practice guitar in my backyard every day
• 59:21
  of my life. I wasn't thinking about, yeah.
• 59:23
  You know that would that would never have.
• 59:25
  Happened. Yeah, that's that's very true.
• 59:27
  And to to your point, it's actually put yourself out there,
• 59:31
  right. And don't don't stay at home.
• 59:33
  That's what I think you're saying.
• 59:34
  Like I'm taking from what you're saying, put yourself out there
• 59:38
  is go outside. You know the the world has a lot
• 59:40
  to offer. So much.
• 59:41
  Right. And say, yeah, you know, and.
• 59:43
  Some of the coolest dudes you have.
• 59:45
  Crappy little hole walls. You have a baby at home.
• 59:47
  You have work, your teaching, teaching at school, like I'm
• 59:50
  saying it in the best way possible.
• 59:52
  You're putting it for a hobby, for a dream.
• 59:55
  It doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be so, you
• 59:57
  know, like deeply thought or like what's the meaning behind
• 1:00:00
  it? You're just, you're doing and
• 1:00:02
  right. And just by that, like we're
• 1:00:04
  sitting here and talking. This is amazing.
• 1:00:06
  Yeah, enjoy. This love you brother it's.
• 1:00:08
  Great. Yeah.
• 1:00:08
  Yeah, It's fun, dude. I I told you we'd have a blast.
• 1:00:11
  I knew it. Yeah, it's so much fun just
• 1:00:12
  talking. Yeah, and we started the
• 1:00:14
  podcast, you know that this whole episode by saying I was
• 1:00:17
  dreading not to come because I was just stressful with life and
• 1:00:20
  my my brain was just overthinking like bunch of
• 1:00:24
  stuff. But but this is this is.
• 1:00:26
  Sad. So I think I think this is good
• 1:00:28
  2 great takeaways when you're when you're overthinking to get
• 1:00:31
  to get moving a little bit. And then I think, I think people
• 1:00:34
  really need friends. I think that there's such a
• 1:00:36
  loneliness problem. And I think, and like, one thing
• 1:00:39
  I've been noticing in like on one hand, just scary as heck,
• 1:00:42
  but like there's been a lot of violence recently, you know, but
• 1:00:45
  like there's also a lot of sad, sick, lonely people out there.
• 1:00:48
  You know, there's a lot of like mental health issues is like,
• 1:00:52
  oh, I was meant to ask you, was Israel like that growing up with
• 1:00:55
  technology with your phone when you were saying that?
• 1:00:57
  Because I found that whenever I visit, and it's only for a
• 1:01:01
  couple of weeks at a time, that it feels like the world is much
• 1:01:04
  like the world in Israel. Like people are much more likely
• 1:01:07
  to are much more engaged with one another than they are just
• 1:01:10
  sitting on their phones the way that Americans are and that life
• 1:01:12
  is much more. Growing up or nowadays which I
• 1:01:15
  don't live there anymore like. Well, since I guess since you've
• 1:01:17
  been there, I guess throughout your life, do you find that or
• 1:01:19
  do you find that that was more in America?
• 1:01:21
  Now I feel like it's like. I think it's.
• 1:01:23
  Called, you know, when I visit and I talk to my friends and
• 1:01:26
  family now, I think it's like any other place in the world.
• 1:01:29
  And it depends on yourself and your environment, right?
• 1:01:33
  Maybe there are areas, you know, like in Tel Aviv, which is an
• 1:01:36
  amazing city, people are more like out and alive.
• 1:01:39
  And you know, it's like like this living thing that people
• 1:01:43
  are like interacting, experiencing more.
• 1:01:45
  And maybe if you live, I don't know, in Beersheba, maybe you're
• 1:01:48
  more stuck in your apartment. What it depends.
• 1:01:50
  It really depends, right? But growing up with, I remember
• 1:01:56
  like I got at certain point, like a teenager, I got addicted
• 1:01:59
  to Sony PlayStation and computer gaming.
• 1:02:01
  Wow, dude. Yeah.
• 1:02:03
  Badly in the best. It was so much fun.
• 1:02:06
  Hours and hours out there. Hours, dude. 8 hours .8 hours
• 1:02:12
  God of War, whatever it was. Counter strike, yeah.
• 1:02:16
  I can't imagine but also but. Also, I was just outside also
• 1:02:20
  like before that or even some days with that, you know, just a
• 1:02:24
  kid, no responsibilities out all day and on the bicycle with
• 1:02:29
  friends from the Mushab or in the at the kibbutz.
• 1:02:33
  And I think, I don't know, I think there's areas, you know,
• 1:02:36
  in the world where people are still growing up without iPads,
• 1:02:40
  let's say, right, or without the technology like that, whether
• 1:02:43
  it's the community or it's the parenting.
• 1:02:48
  I'm not getting. My kids, any of that, I just, I
• 1:02:50
  actually just spoke to my sister.
• 1:02:51
  She lives, you already know, but she lives in Canada, Toronto,
• 1:02:55
  Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto.
• 1:03:03
  It's so different with with her three daughters that are kind of
• 1:03:09
  like teenagers already and they're doing so good.
• 1:03:14
  Oh yeah. Yeah, they're like the the
• 1:03:16
  parent, like the kids and the parent, like my sister and her
• 1:03:19
  husband. And they're very conscientious
• 1:03:20
  about it. Amazing parents, amazing
• 1:03:23
  parents. Seriously.
• 1:03:24
  Wow. And but she just shared with me
• 1:03:29
  actually, that it's really hard to keep, try to keep them off of
• 1:03:32
  the screens, you know, because it's inevitable.
• 1:03:36
  It's inevitable, so it's just what it is.
• 1:03:39
  But it's not like there's still hope.
• 1:03:42
  It's just we're living with it whether we want it or not.
• 1:03:46
  So you have to fight for it like.
• 1:03:50
  This is the theme you have to fight.
• 1:03:52
  You have to understand. It you have to understand and be
• 1:03:55
  like this is going to, this is designed to be addicting to you.
• 1:03:59
  Like you have to know that. Like you have to understand that
• 1:04:02
  this that this job is to its job is to have your eyeballs on it
• 1:04:06
  and for it to be active as long as humanely possible.
• 1:04:10
  And like, I think that I think giving kids that knowledge and,
• 1:04:15
  and letting them know it's not like that there is a reason why
• 1:04:20
  it's not that they're being bad. It's not.
• 1:04:22
  And I think this is also like you're like, oh, social media is
• 1:04:25
  bad. Get off your phone.
• 1:04:26
  Get off your phone. Like it's like, but I like my
• 1:04:27
  phone. Like I really like my phone.
• 1:04:28
  Like, yeah, you're so just explain.
• 1:04:31
  You're supposed to like it. It's, it's developed for you to
• 1:04:34
  like it, but it's also developed for you to spend your time on it
• 1:04:37
  and not to be playing football with your friends or not to be
• 1:04:40
  playing, you know, go bicycle riding with your friends and not
• 1:04:42
  to be doing other things. And that's why it's so much fun,
• 1:04:46
  because it's trying to replace that and.
• 1:04:47
  Yeah, he's trying to replace every.
• 1:04:49
  Yeah, yeah. Yes, I think, I think that
• 1:04:52
  explaining that too. I think that understanding that
• 1:04:54
  explaining that like I don't blame any kid for being I'm
• 1:04:57
  addicted to Twitter. I am straight up addicted to
• 1:04:59
  Twitter and and it's so hard for me to break and I deleted the
• 1:05:02
  app and it doesn't help because I just go on my Safari browser
• 1:05:05
  and I just and I'm on it all the time.
• 1:05:06
  That's your advice. It's it's that's your advice and
• 1:05:09
  it never stops. And because it's just a flood of
• 1:05:12
  constant new news and whatever the algorithm, you know, picks
• 1:05:16
  up that I'm currently reading about or interested in, you
• 1:05:19
  know, and like. But it's OK, you know, I mean,
• 1:05:22
  we, we can't, yeah. But what does that make it do?
• 1:05:24
  What does that do as opposed to doing this dude?
• 1:05:26
  But we're going out with you. I spent 4 hours on that instead
• 1:05:29
  of going to the open mic and I'm like oh man what happened?
• 1:05:32
  But we're not monks, you know, unless, unless you want to try
• 1:05:35
  to go, you know, and try to really deprive yourself of
• 1:05:38
  stimulation in general, good and bad, and try to teach yourself
• 1:05:45
  good. Yeah, I may have to use a
• 1:05:47
  recording. That's OK, yeah.
• 1:05:48
  That's all good. Yeah, it's still running.
• 1:05:52
  Good, because mine stopped. Great.
• 1:05:53
  OK, we're going to use yours. We'll just have to add to mine
• 1:05:55
  for sure. OK, Yeah.
• 1:05:58
  So no, you were saying about the Twitter and like you know that
• 1:06:01
  it kind. Of no, but so I'm aware of that
• 1:06:04
  issue and I'm aware that it exists, but if I wasn't like I
• 1:06:08
  have to I think that I think I think it has to be part I think
• 1:06:12
  that's part of education. I think it's part of teaching.
• 1:06:14
  I think it's part of like the responsibility of a parent is to
• 1:06:16
  like explain to a kid that like Facebook and Twitter and TikTok
• 1:06:22
  and Instagram spend billions of dollars learning how to most
• 1:06:28
  effectively. Keep you.
• 1:06:29
  Exactly. Some people, some people.
• 1:06:31
  There is this viewpoint maybe that some people teach or use
• 1:06:39
  those things as tools, right, or the phone in general.
• 1:06:44
  And that's also an interesting, right.
• 1:06:45
  So you can also just this is a tool, you know, this can be you
• 1:06:51
  can be consumer, right? And you can also use it for
• 1:06:55
  entertainment, right? And yeah, but let's say, for
• 1:06:58
  example, if you teach a kid, right?
• 1:07:01
  Oh, this can this can be to learn stuff, right?
• 1:07:07
  You're putting natural geographic on.
• 1:07:08
  This. Your podcasts are incredible.
• 1:07:10
  Yeah. I mean, I've learned so much in
• 1:07:13
  the last couple of years. Yeah.
• 1:07:14
  You know, from podcast, like, like, more than like I could
• 1:07:17
  fathom, you know, like my entire life has changed because, I
• 1:07:20
  mean, because of exposure to information on here, you know?
• 1:07:25
  Yeah, for sure. And then there's the other side.
• 1:07:27
  Of it. So it's exactly it's both, it's
• 1:07:29
  both, it's inevitable. Yeah, that's, I feel that way
• 1:07:32
  about AI too. I think it'd be a great
• 1:07:35
  companion. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 1:07:36
  I I Duff Duff this morning she saw a video and the video looked
• 1:07:41
  very real, obviously, but she showed it to me and it's not
• 1:07:45
  like I can tell woo Hoo, I'm so good.
• 1:07:47
  But it just like I was surprised that that she didn't get it and
• 1:07:51
  I told her, oh, this is AI and now so I don't allow myself.
• 1:07:59
  So The thing is it's it's not and I'm not a sucker.
• 1:08:01
  It's just I don't allow, if there's a chance, if it's really
• 1:08:06
  that good, immediately I'm suspicious and I open the
• 1:08:09
  comments, you know, and I'm like, I have to check because
• 1:08:12
  it's too crazy nowadays. It's too crazy.
• 1:08:15
  I don't allow myself to just fall for something like that,
• 1:08:18
  you know, because I understand that that's crazy.
• 1:08:21
  Everything now can be this pocket.
• 1:08:23
  Someone's going to listen to this now.
• 1:08:25
  My. Question my.
• 1:08:26
  My my thing with my friends is any, any sort of time I trip
• 1:08:30
  them, it's every time I like to be like a joker, you know, like
• 1:08:33
  so now people are going to listen to this.
• 1:08:35
  They have, they'll have no idea. You know, this can this can be
• 1:08:39
  AI. And it could be right.
• 1:08:41
  And I was going to say that that that could lead you on the path
• 1:08:44
  of insanity. You know, like that's inception,
• 1:08:47
  that's the matrix, That's all this stuff.
• 1:08:49
  You know, it's like, dude, dude, how far are we from really not
• 1:08:53
  being able to tell like what is real or not?
• 1:08:56
  Wow. You know, like we're not like I
• 1:08:59
  was thinking when I, you know, when the mushrooms hit a little
• 1:09:02
  bit yesterday, it was like I was thinking about how my body could
• 1:09:04
  be like a like a like a like for the first time in my life, Like
• 1:09:07
  I think my body could really be like a first player video game,
• 1:09:10
  you know, like I have like the perspective as my hands are here
• 1:09:13
  and like everything is being seen through a lens and like
• 1:09:16
  perception, you know, like it's like perception is just like
• 1:09:18
  that concept, you know, like, oh man, let's not go down this road
• 1:09:22
  right now. This is not, this is not a good
• 1:09:24
  place to this is not a good place for me to go.
• 1:09:27
  I'll just stare at the sky for a little bit, you know?
• 1:09:29
  People call it I forgot. Yeah, dude, that.
• 1:09:33
  But that kind of stuff scares the hell out of me sometimes.
• 1:09:36
  But then in the day, I'm like, you know, that's not too
• 1:09:38
  different. The idea of God as a creator,
• 1:09:39
  you know, it's not too different.
• 1:09:41
  Like, OK, so it's a Matrix or a video game or a simulation or.
• 1:09:44
  God or. Simulation theory or anything
• 1:09:46
  like that. But like the day you're still
• 1:09:48
  stuck in it, you still have to navigate it, there's still rules
• 1:09:51
  to it. And like, there's still like
• 1:09:52
  ways to clearly win or not, you know, like, clearly ways to win
• 1:09:55
  are like, yeah, the things that like you can into it, you know,
• 1:09:59
  you can tell like. So even if it's not like I hope
• 1:10:02
  I'm doing a pretty good job at this game, you know, like I
• 1:10:05
  hope, I hope I'm playing well because you know otherwise.
• 1:10:09
  Man, so wild, dude, it's so wild.
• 1:10:11
  Yeah, life is wild. Yeah, I get into that trippy
• 1:10:14
  category, man. Here's that trippy category.
• 1:10:18
  Mushrooms are great. Dude, tell me you had some
• 1:10:20
  festivals that you went to, because I've never been to.
• 1:10:23
  Actually, I've never been to festivals.
• 1:10:25
  Only who the wing we need. To go this year.
• 1:10:27
  No, my friends are. I try to win some free tickets.
• 1:10:31
  Yeah, yeah, on Instagram, but I didn't get them.
• 1:10:33
  What about as a photographer or as a press?
• 1:10:35
  No, I don't want to work. I mean, it can be actually a fun
• 1:10:38
  experience, but if I want to go with my wife, you know, and have
• 1:10:41
  fun and just experience, you know, immersing experience, I
• 1:10:45
  don't want to work. Yeah, I just want.
• 1:10:47
  To I'm reading the electric kool-aid trip.
• 1:10:48
  Do you know the boogies? You ever heard of it?
• 1:10:50
  It's about, I think the guy's name was Neil Cassidy that
• 1:10:56
  bought the bus in the 60s school bus called further and, and they
• 1:11:01
  painted it with Dayglo and like tie dye and the entire thing was
• 1:11:05
  supposed to be, you know, that you ever hear of the acid, acid
• 1:11:08
  tests from the from the 60s? What's it called?
• 1:11:11
  Yes, I think I heard it. That's where the Grateful Dead
• 1:11:13
  started playing is basically a is it a giant party and like a
• 1:11:17
  huge. No, so I'm not familiar with.
• 1:11:19
  It so these these when acid is first come making its way to the
• 1:11:23
  states. By the way, and I didn't know
• 1:11:26
  this either. San Francisco was the epicenter
• 1:11:29
  of Eastern culture, meeting western culture because that was
• 1:11:33
  the furthest point east of yeah. I never thought W rather of
• 1:11:37
  America, but before you get to the East and I never thought of,
• 1:11:40
  I never even like conceived that that would like be the
• 1:11:43
  relationship. But like Buddhism and yoga and,
• 1:11:47
  and, and all this stuff started in San Francisco, you know, like
• 1:11:50
  it started, it started like in that, in that part of the, in
• 1:11:53
  the part of the world, because Chinatown is huge there, you
• 1:11:55
  know, and the whole Asian, the whole Asian school of thought,
• 1:11:58
  you know, was just like, that was the first place to come into
• 1:12:01
  like the Mafia was so big in New York and Boston, because they're
• 1:12:03
  all coming from Ireland and Italy and everything like that,
• 1:12:06
  you know, East, you know, so the same thing from the West.
• 1:12:09
  They'd have these acid tests where they just be there, no
• 1:12:12
  alcohol at the time, acid was legal.
• 1:12:15
  And, and they just rent any space.
• 1:12:18
  It could be a warehouse, it could be an apartment, it could
• 1:12:20
  be a park, it could be wherever. And everyone going to acid the
• 1:12:24
  Grateful Dead would play or a bunch of better get a bunch of
• 1:12:26
  bands that would play and and they'd have artists and painters
• 1:12:31
  and visuals and like, and everyone just do whatever they
• 1:12:34
  want and everything was legal because the cops have come and
• 1:12:37
  you can't. It's not like take acid.
• 1:12:39
  Yeah, by the way, they'll get spiked all the time.
• 1:12:41
  They'll be like, oh, you want some orange juice?
• 1:12:43
  You want some, you know, punch? You want, you want some cake?
• 1:12:45
  You want whatever. And.
• 1:12:46
  Crazy. That's crazy.
• 1:12:47
  Dude, Can you imagine spiking a? Cop That's not cool.
• 1:12:50
  Can you imagine a full order? I mean, it's for a good 'cause I
• 1:12:53
  guess for a good cause. But no, spiking anyone is not
• 1:12:57
  not a good thing to do, but interesting.
• 1:13:00
  And so it started this other like, you know, we should take
• 1:13:03
  these acid trips as acid tests and take them on the road.
• 1:13:06
  And so they loaded up a bus with a film crew and they just wanted
• 1:13:10
  to drive across the country from LA to New York and back and
• 1:13:14
  like, just bring like this new far outlook, you know, across
• 1:13:18
  the country and see how people responded to it.
• 1:13:20
  And the footage was awful because everyone was on acid the
• 1:13:26
  whole time or mushrooms or, you know, whatever.
• 1:13:29
  And they couldn't do anything with the footage.
• 1:13:33
  But one guy that happened to your writer that like went along
• 1:13:35
  with it, documented the whole thing in a book called The
• 1:13:38
  Electric kool-aid Trip. And so I'm just, so I'm just
• 1:13:42
  reading that right now. Why do we do things like that
• 1:13:44
  today? Just go on an adventure like
• 1:13:47
  that. Yeah, but like, the Grateful
• 1:13:49
  Dead would put on like, free concerts in the park just for,
• 1:13:51
  like, the sake of people, like, just hanging out together.
• 1:13:53
  Like you know what? People do it though.
• 1:13:55
  Yeah, do they do? I mean, there's in the.
• 1:13:58
  I know that. The park in Forlord in Hollywood
• 1:14:01
  you have a bluegrass, bluegrass free festival like every, I
• 1:14:06
  think once a month. Really.
• 1:14:07
  Yeah. Do you go there?
• 1:14:08
  I I went once. I went once, two years ago.
• 1:14:11
  It was great. I didn't think about these
• 1:14:12
  things, yeah. But there, yeah, there's things
• 1:14:14
  happening all the time. Yeah.
• 1:14:16
  Just we're we're in our own, you know, world own worlds and you
• 1:14:20
  know, we're going to open mic, for example, you know, we're
• 1:14:23
  doing the open mic that. It's hard to find.
• 1:14:26
  It's a open mic. So, you know, I mean, like even
• 1:14:29
  if you wanted to, if we wanted to go to more, where do you
• 1:14:32
  find, you know, like they're hard to find.
• 1:14:33
  People don't want to do them very often.
• 1:14:34
  How do you work? And I've had many places that
• 1:14:36
  totally. Search away and you're finding
• 1:14:38
  probably like around like whatever's around you, you know?
• 1:14:42
  I know and it, but there's not a lot, right?
• 1:14:43
  And then I've spoken to people about like, starting them up,
• 1:14:46
  like in breweries or starting them up in different locations
• 1:14:48
  and like, OK, get people to come and like.
• 1:14:51
  Well, that's you want, you want to start something, that's what
• 1:14:53
  you're saying. Well, I don't know how to get
• 1:14:55
  people to come and I get people to come.
• 1:14:57
  I would love to start something. I think that I think that we
• 1:15:00
  need, I think that what I think would be a huge benefit to
• 1:15:04
  everyone in every capacity in this country would be more
• 1:15:07
  embodied experiences, would be more people getting up, leaving
• 1:15:11
  their houses and going to do and going to be in other places with
• 1:15:14
  other people. I'm a huge, huge advocate of it.
• 1:15:18
  And I could see, I know for a fact, isolation is the worst
• 1:15:22
  thing you can do to people. It's so easy and I've thought
• 1:15:25
  this, this could have happened to me so many, so many times
• 1:15:28
  over in my life. I went a very typical route
• 1:15:30
  where I was in high school, I went to college, I got a degree,
• 1:15:33
  I got a remote job where I could live wherever I wanted, have an
• 1:15:36
  apartment by myself, be home for 10 hours a day and then be in my
• 1:15:41
  apartment. I could drink or smoke weed or
• 1:15:44
  do whatever to go or be healthy, go for a job or whatever.
• 1:15:47
  But I'm probably not going to because, you know, I'm a 22 year
• 1:15:50
  old living by myself and I have my phone and I whatever and I'm
• 1:15:52
  working remote. I'm tired at the end of the day
• 1:15:54
  and I can go days or weeks out seeing people.
• 1:15:57
  Solitary confinement, it's like the worst psychological
• 1:16:00
  punishment you can do to anyone for sure, and it's happening on
• 1:16:04
  a mass scale everywhere. Without even thinking.
• 1:16:07
  Yeah. And with it's like voluntary,
• 1:16:10
  it's voluntary. It's voluntary prison like.
• 1:16:12
  That very interesting. Yeah, I agree with you.
• 1:16:14
  So we know you. Want to you want to have a
• 1:16:16
  solution for that you want to do?
• 1:16:18
  Something well, so that I think that's I think that's that's a
• 1:16:20
  huge benefit. I know in my life and like I've
• 1:16:22
  talked about a lot of my friends recently that, you know, just
• 1:16:25
  about the benefits of religious lifestyle is like the community,
• 1:16:28
  like for sure, whatever. Like I hang out with people.
• 1:16:32
  I'm with people every single day.
• 1:16:34
  I'm with groups of people every single day of my life, whether
• 1:16:37
  it's three to five people in jiu jitsu a couple days a week or
• 1:16:40
  whether it's 20 people in synagogue.
• 1:16:42
  Even if I'm only talking to like four or five of them, I still am
• 1:16:46
  with and talk to, you know, 20, you know, four or five people.
• 1:16:50
  Yeah, community and then people coming out because you know
• 1:16:53
  what, you're someone that lives 2 doors down that has a kid and
• 1:16:56
  that's also working, you know, long hours and wants a beer at
• 1:16:59
  the end of the day and so am I. So let's just sit in my backyard
• 1:17:02
  together for 20 minutes and have a beer and go home, you know?
• 1:17:04
  And like that is so healthy. That's so like, I forget what
• 1:17:07
  you think about like God or organized religion or anything
• 1:17:10
  like that, Like. And just healthy people have
• 1:17:13
  that. No, I agree with you.
• 1:17:15
  Kids are growing up playing football with each other every
• 1:17:17
  Saturday, you know, for four or five hours because they can't do
• 1:17:20
  anything else. There's no phone or electronics
• 1:17:22
  or TV or anything like that. The only option you have is to
• 1:17:24
  knock on someone's door and say, hey, is your kid home?
• 1:17:26
  Can I play with them? You know, and like, and you go
• 1:17:29
  up in like a really healthy environment.
• 1:17:31
  You know, it's really so, so I think it's, I'm, I'm really
• 1:17:35
  trying to encourage people. To put you out there, yeah,
• 1:17:39
  yeah. Yeah, I think that.
• 1:17:41
  And I'm sure that, you know, even if religion is all BS and
• 1:17:44
  all made-up, which I don't believe it is, but even if it
• 1:17:46
  was, yeah, it's still a pretty freaking good thing, you know,
• 1:17:49
  like the alternative. I don't.
• 1:17:50
  Think it is. I don't think it is, but yeah.
• 1:17:53
  But to your point, yes, exactly there is.
• 1:17:55
  Even if someone think, you know, it's completely bullshit or
• 1:17:58
  whatever, then definitely there's a lot of truths in it.
• 1:18:04
  And you know, like a lot of you can find truths in it or like
• 1:18:08
  good stuff that it, it can bring to your life.
• 1:18:10
  Exactly for sure. But yeah, we should definitely,
• 1:18:15
  definitely be more out out and together, like doing stuff that,
• 1:18:20
  you know, like as people agree with you.
• 1:18:22
  But sometimes it's, it's it's hard to to put yourself out
• 1:18:26
  there or to step outside of your shell or, you know, your own
• 1:18:29
  brain. And just like, OK, I'm going to
• 1:18:31
  do this. I'm going to go do this.
• 1:18:32
  I'm going to go try open mic. Like the first time I went to to
• 1:18:36
  the open mic asked my wife and I was going to explore, you know,
• 1:18:41
  I didn't go to to say I did. Yeah.
• 1:18:43
  I was like not experimenting. I was doing research.
• 1:18:48
  I was doing research. I was like, what's going on?
• 1:18:50
  How does this work? You know, yeah, it's
• 1:18:53
  interesting. But that's the first step.
• 1:18:54
  That's okay. You don't have to play.
• 1:18:56
  No, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:58
  But walking to the room. Just Mama and me, the person
• 1:19:01
  behind the bar, the Super nice people, the cool people behind
• 1:19:04
  the bar. And then next time you come they
• 1:19:06
  say, hey, it's good to see you again.
• 1:19:07
  You're like, all right, I know that it's okay, everything is
• 1:19:11
  good. Shout out to my Mamas.
• 1:19:14
  By the way, yeah, shout out to my mom.
• 1:19:16
  This is wild man. That was wild.
• 1:19:18
  That place is amazing. It's so, it's, it's so cool.
• 1:19:21
  I feel like that's the good place that I feel like is a
• 1:19:23
  personification of like the 60s and 70s, like found in today's
• 1:19:27
  world. Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:29
  I mean, I, I didn't read a lot, but it feels very like, you
• 1:19:33
  know, from what I know from maybe movies or what you're
• 1:19:35
  telling from the latest story, right, Yeah.
• 1:19:37
  And stuff like that. Yeah.
• 1:19:38
  And all the people there and just like.
• 1:19:41
  It's some people personalities and people come and some people
• 1:19:43
  buy records. Some people just come to hang
• 1:19:44
  out and see whatever, like just what the people look like.
• 1:19:47
  Yeah. You know, I mean so much fun.
• 1:19:49
  Yeah. Are we going this week?
• 1:19:51
  I'm not going to be here. What's up?
• 1:19:53
  Where are you going? Well, first of all, Tuesday's
• 1:19:55
  hog and I'm going to, and then I'm going to New York, NY, Yeah.
• 1:19:59
  I'm. Going to play, I hate getting
• 1:20:02
  complaints. Yeah, but it's a short flight.
• 1:20:05
  It's a short flight, such I. Know about to pack.
• 1:20:07
  You got a pack for. I got a pack for four, actually,
• 1:20:10
  by the way, I'm not even going to do all the packing before I
• 1:20:12
  wipe this, but I'm going to be slapping the things before and
• 1:20:16
  then and you got to be on the and you got to be in the plane.
• 1:20:20
  Yeah, but that's a short. That's like 3 hours.
• 1:20:23
  I mean, you have kids who are different, but I sometimes like
• 1:20:26
  movies I like. That's where I catch up on like
• 1:20:28
  silly movies, you know, on a plane.
• 1:20:31
  I don't. I don't know if you can do it
• 1:20:32
  with two kids. I can.
• 1:20:35
  Maybe a little, Maybe. The best I could do is take an
• 1:20:37
  edible and, like, listen to the listen to the Grateful Dead in
• 1:20:39
  one ear, you know, while I'm, like, hanging out the other.
• 1:20:42
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:20:44
  That's the best I could deal with that.
• 1:20:45
  But it's OK, you know, by the way.
• 1:20:47
  And then by the way, flying by myself since then has become a
• 1:20:49
  luxury. You know, buying by myself is
• 1:20:51
  like, this is awesome. You know, I'm by myself.
• 1:20:55
  I'm playing solitaire or ball breaker, you know, on the on the
• 1:20:59
  screen the whole time on the way.
• 1:21:02
  Where is it going? I think from Israel to
• 1:21:03
  Amsterdam. No, Amsterdam, back to America.
• 1:21:07
  That's a longer, long, longer flight.
• 1:21:09
  Longer flight I legitimately probably spent 4 hours playing
• 1:21:12
  ball breaker on on the plane and like I felt my eyes hurting and
• 1:21:16
  my head hurting and I'm like I never get to just like sit and
• 1:21:19
  do nothing I'm just going to. Yeah, I'm just going to belt
• 1:21:22
  your. Brain, yeah, for sure.
• 1:21:26
  It's amazing. It's amazing.
• 1:21:27
  It's amazing. Nice, but.
• 1:21:29
  So so no open mic. I'll try.
• 1:21:31
  I'll try to. Go go to it.
• 1:21:32
  Go go to it. By the way, go by yourself is
• 1:21:35
  more fun I think. I actually had a lot, a lot of
• 1:21:38
  fun last time we went together. It was.
• 1:21:40
  It was really cool. You could be, you could be more
• 1:21:43
  risky without anyone there. There's no pressure of like the
• 1:21:45
  person, no. But but going with a friend, you
• 1:21:48
  know, it doesn't feel risky. It feels for me, it feels
• 1:21:51
  risking quotations, going with someone I don't know, like.
• 1:21:56
  Going with my wife was a horrible was horrible for me.
• 1:21:59
  Yeah, it wasn't fun for me too. It's.
• 1:22:00
  Hard because it was also like I'm trying to press my wife like
• 1:22:03
  at the same time I don't want to like.
• 1:22:04
  It's it's a too close of a person.
• 1:22:06
  Yeah, right. And like, you know, already
• 1:22:08
  there's there's like you guys know each other a lot.
• 1:22:11
  And. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:22:13
  But with a friends, like, I don't, I don't care.
• 1:22:15
  Like, yeah, I, I feel like, you know, like next to you.
• 1:22:17
  I don't, I don't care to fumble. Yeah.
• 1:22:19
  Or to goof around. Because, you know, I don't give
• 1:22:21
  a crap. Exactly.
• 1:22:22
  And say yeah. And vice versa.
• 1:22:24
  Exactly. So that's fun.
• 1:22:26
  You know, you just. And that's, that's also a big
• 1:22:28
  thing about like just being out there with a community, with
• 1:22:31
  community over with friends, like, yes, you know, being able
• 1:22:34
  to do stuff not on your own. I mean, there's something to do
• 1:22:37
  things on your own and being a wolf or whatever, that's also
• 1:22:41
  cool. And there's some cool stuff in
• 1:22:43
  that. But yeah.
• 1:22:44
  There's also that and I, I, I. What I've found particularly fun
• 1:22:48
  and cool is that, like what I said about making friends is
• 1:22:52
  that you guys find something in common to begin with, right?
• 1:22:54
  Yeah. If you're a relatively
• 1:22:57
  interesting human being, you have probably more than one
• 1:22:59
  thing that you like, right? Like, you could probably speak
• 1:23:01
  to someone for hours about your bike, and I'm not that person to
• 1:23:04
  speak to, right? Like, it's not my language,
• 1:23:06
  right? Yeah.
• 1:23:07
  And so you have friends that you can be certain ways around based
• 1:23:11
  on the premise of your relationship.
• 1:23:13
  You know, like my premise of my relationship with you is
• 1:23:15
  largely, I would say like emotional and musical, like just
• 1:23:19
  like talking about like emotions and talking about things and
• 1:23:21
  then also musical. But like so I don't so but it's
• 1:23:25
  not say based on our kids being friends, you know, or our wives
• 1:23:30
  being friends. So like this.
• 1:23:31
  So, so who we so, so this to the side of me that comes out when
• 1:23:34
  I'm hanging out with you is it's a side that I don't always get
• 1:23:38
  to bring out all the time. It's a it's a side that's there
• 1:23:41
  and it's like, you know, like it's, you know, it's I try to
• 1:23:44
  feed it and help it grow and like I love it.
• 1:23:46
  And then when there's other people to share with, that's
• 1:23:49
  when it really grows. That's when it really, I feel
• 1:23:52
  like when we were jamming together.
• 1:23:54
  You get better at playing music just in that one experience.
• 1:23:57
  I'm like, I felt like I got, I got, I became a better music
• 1:23:59
  player, like a better guitar player just in that one time.
• 1:24:02
  And that's all it takes. And so like, and then you have
• 1:24:04
  your photography friends and you have your running friends, then
• 1:24:06
  you have your jiu jitsu friends, then you have your beer friends
• 1:24:08
  and like, and every single side like you're, you're, you're
• 1:24:11
  expressing a particular aspect of you with someone else.
• 1:24:13
  They're like a embodiment of your passion in your life to
• 1:24:18
  you. Can be.
• 1:24:19
  Can be they can be right and that and I think that's a really
• 1:24:21
  cool. I think that's, that's also one
• 1:24:23
  of the huge benefits of relationships is like emergence,
• 1:24:26
  like when you, when you share something together so that, you
• 1:24:29
  know, the, what comes out is bigger than the individual
• 1:24:31
  parts, you know, And so it's, that's, that's, that's and they
• 1:24:37
  really, I, I'm also, I, I want to advocate these ideas and I
• 1:24:40
  want to get them out like as profoundly and.
• 1:24:44
  Clearly, as I can already, you know, this podcast is really.
• 1:24:47
  Cool. You just get listeners, you
• 1:24:48
  know, a couple more. Even if it's one.
• 1:24:51
  By the way, I even want that. I was just thinking recently, I
• 1:24:54
  just came to the realization about like a couple of days ago
• 1:24:58
  even that there are more people in my life that I even realized
• 1:25:02
  that think highly about things that I say.
• 1:25:06
  Like take what I say seriously. And that means that I have a
• 1:25:10
  responsibility to like be selective about what I say.
• 1:25:13
  You know, like if I'm embodying negativity, like about a
• 1:25:18
  particular thing that is contagious to people, I've
• 1:25:22
  noticed. And so that gives me the
• 1:25:25
  responsibility of having to be on.
• 1:25:29
  Positive, positive oriented, yeah.
• 1:25:31
  Or like, yeah. Whatever that is.
• 1:25:33
  But you're still allowed to explore and question and voice
• 1:25:38
  it out, right? And also, you know, like you to
• 1:25:42
  be a human. But it's a wait.
• 1:25:43
  But if I have a 500 people listening or 5000 people
• 1:25:47
  listening, I do I, do you think I'm going to have the same kind
• 1:25:49
  of conversation? You're going to be doing like
• 1:25:51
  the same thing. Like that's something that I've
• 1:25:52
  been thinking about that like is really.
• 1:25:54
  Let's let's pretend we have sitting on me.
• 1:25:56
  We have for this episode live right now.
• 1:25:58
  We have 10,000 people listening. Do you think it would have gone
• 1:26:01
  differently? Maybe, I don't know.
• 1:26:05
  It's the probably the same. Yeah, it's probably the same.
• 1:26:09
  I guess it's how confident I am and what got me there, right?
• 1:26:12
  Like if I'm confident that what got me there was me doing was me
• 1:26:15
  being it was me being me, then just keep doing that, you know?
• 1:26:19
  But if I felt like what's what got me, what got me there was
• 1:26:22
  something else, then I have to keep up that, you know, that
• 1:26:25
  charade or that. But but that's that's also
• 1:26:27
  that's interesting. It's cool, you know, like you
• 1:26:29
  have those morals, ethics questions that you ask yourself,
• 1:26:34
  that you check yourself, you know, that you're still in line.
• 1:26:38
  Like am I still in line with what feels good to me, what
• 1:26:41
  feels like in my with religion and even without just like as a
• 1:26:45
  person, Right. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:26:47
  As a person. It definitely resonates with
• 1:26:49
  Judaism and with your with the religion, obviously, but but
• 1:26:54
  also just with a person. Exactly right.
• 1:26:58
  And I think I think that's that's good.
• 1:27:01
  I think that's good. You know, that you can you, you
• 1:27:03
  ask those questions to yourself. And yeah, I think more people
• 1:27:08
  actually should ask question like that in general for about
• 1:27:12
  themselves, you know, like am I, am I doing good for the people
• 1:27:17
  around me? I don't I don't think, I don't
• 1:27:21
  think enough people ask maybe you know, a lot of people, you
• 1:27:26
  know, they're kind of self-centered.
• 1:27:29
  I think so. It takes time, it takes work.
• 1:27:33
  I had to work to become mature. And I also think by the way,
• 1:27:37
  your brain evolves as you take on more responsibilities and you
• 1:27:40
  learn to think that way. So for example, like the way
• 1:27:43
  that you think now that you have a wife is very different than
• 1:27:46
  when you thought when you were single even when you were
• 1:27:48
  dating, right? Like the way you consider things
• 1:27:50
  and like the way that you measure out your actions and the
• 1:27:53
  way you spend your time and like your resources is fundamentally
• 1:27:56
  different right now. And it's just, it's just the way
• 1:28:00
  our brains work, right? So as presumably as you progress
• 1:28:03
  you, as you progress through life, as you go through
• 1:28:06
  different stages, your brain evolves to become more
• 1:28:09
  considerate because you have more responsibilities if you're
• 1:28:11
  avoiding those responsibilities, if you're not choosing to take
• 1:28:14
  on those responsibilities. And a lot of people, their
• 1:28:17
  brains don't evolve. I wouldn't imagine their brains
• 1:28:19
  are evolving to learn to be considerate the same way because
• 1:28:22
  they don't have to be. Like, I think part of like my
• 1:28:24
  consideration is out of necessity, I have to, I can't
• 1:28:28
  spend all my money on beer and weed, you know, because I have a
• 1:28:31
  mortgage to pay. And I got like his tuition bill
• 1:28:32
  to pay and I got to have my my daughter's food to pay for, you
• 1:28:35
  know, and yeah, yeah. You know.
• 1:28:37
  And so, so, so it forces me to start thinking about things
• 1:28:40
  differently. It forced me to start thinking
• 1:28:43
  about, well, now, yeah. Now that I have, now that I'm
• 1:28:45
  considering my money, how am I with my time?
• 1:28:48
  How am I with my interaction? I think that's why a lot why
• 1:28:51
  sometimes people can be we're not.
• 1:28:54
  Sometimes why people can be, I think that that's why there's a
• 1:28:58
  lot of weakness maybe in the world, let's say that I think
• 1:29:02
  there is because people don't take enough responsibility on
• 1:29:06
  themselves, which is not fun, right?
• 1:29:08
  Yeah. I, I, you know, I had
• 1:29:09
  conversations with my dad that I straight up told him like, I
• 1:29:13
  don't want to work. I don't want to do, you know,
• 1:29:15
  like I told him I if if I straight up told him if I could,
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  I was running Duddy or whatever, told him if I could, I could
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  just, I would just lay on the beach and be a bum, you know,
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  just do you. Think you would you would just
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  satisfied with your I. Had a moment in time that I, I,
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  I, it was really easy for me to say that and think that right
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  without really doing it. I was just like, I just want to
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  see sunsets all day, just be in the ocean, you know, just want
• 1:29:42
  to ride a motorcycle and come back to the ocean and just like
• 1:29:46
  play Frisbee or, you know, and there is that side of me that,
• 1:29:51
  you know, really enjoys that, you know, would let me indulge
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  just being at the beach and just, yeah, but not really, not
• 1:30:00
  really just doing that right. But I think there's also that
• 1:30:05
  like that there's a lot of weakness and, and and self doubt
• 1:30:10
  and not taking responsibility and and like trying to put more
• 1:30:15
  on yourself, you know, like, oh, I can take more, you know, yeah,
• 1:30:19
  I can be a husband. Yeah.
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  I can have like a serious job and maybe even workers under
• 1:30:25
  you. Or I'm afraid of that part of.
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  That kids, Yeah, Well, makes sense, you know, makes sense.
• 1:30:32
  Maybe Jordan Peterson came up on my You should be.
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  You should be. You should.
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  Be by the way, you should feel better man.
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  Apparently apparently he's been super sick but.
• 1:30:43
  Just set it. Yeah, it's so good.
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  So good, by the way, you damn well should be.
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  He's great. I love.
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  Him. Yeah, man, that guy's a trip.
• 1:30:56
  That guy's a trip. I what's fun about him.
• 1:31:00
  So my friend pointed out to me the other day, he's like, he
• 1:31:02
  said, he admits he's like like 20 years ago he had his ideas
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  and like the last 10 years or 15 years, he's like flushing them
• 1:31:09
  out in real time, you know, And I think people and people are
• 1:31:12
  giving him a hard time about like not having fully
• 1:31:14
  established ideas a lot of the time.
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  And they say, oh, he talks a lot and it's a lot of, you know,
• 1:31:19
  gibberish. But I think it's part of the
• 1:31:21
  process of getting to like discovering your idea like to.
• 1:31:25
  A point. To a point you think.
• 1:31:27
  No, no, you're saying? Oh, to a point, yeah.
• 1:31:28
  So for example, you know, there if if there's something about
• 1:31:35
  there's something that's bothering about teaching, right.
• 1:31:37
  And it felt like I was investing myself and try to find the most
• 1:31:39
  fun classes for my students. And for some reason, and I tried
• 1:31:43
  to keep them fun and entertaining.
• 1:31:44
  Like it gives me music and it's going to be a project and
• 1:31:46
  they're going to be able to like choose their own way to do it.
• 1:31:47
  It's going to be so much fun. And then I explained to them and
• 1:31:50
  I'm like, and here it is. And they're like, how many
• 1:31:53
  sentences does it have to be? You know, I'm like, what?
• 1:31:57
  I don't care. Just like do well.
• 1:31:58
  And they're like, no, I'm like, and I'm like, oh, wait.
• 1:32:02
  And then it took me, it took me months to like talk it out to my
• 1:32:05
  friends and like be like, I don't get it.
• 1:32:07
  And like, what could it be? And you know, maybe it's the way
• 1:32:09
  that I'm presenting it. Maybe.
• 1:32:10
  And then I realized like, oh, wait a minute, I'm teaching
• 1:32:13
  because I want to teach. And they're in school because
• 1:32:15
  they're forced to be in school. And if they're not in school,
• 1:32:18
  then their parents going to get mad at them and they're going to
• 1:32:20
  be in trouble. And like we're both coming at
• 1:32:22
  this from totally different areas.
• 1:32:24
  And like, it took me like 3 or 4 months of talking this idea out
• 1:32:28
  with different people, like my mom and my friends and my wife
• 1:32:31
  and, and my, and the principal of the school and like talking
• 1:32:33
  about these ideas. And then after some amount of
• 1:32:36
  time talking it like it just like like it's almost like a
• 1:32:39
  sculpture where like you chip away at different like pieces.
• 1:32:41
  No, it's not that. No, it's not that.
• 1:32:42
  And then you have the final product like, oh, now I see what
• 1:32:45
  this is. This is what it is.
• 1:32:46
  Very cool. Yeah, Honestly, it's very cool.
• 1:32:49
  Very interesting also, and very, very connected.
• 1:32:52
  I can see what you're saying about Jordan Pearson.
• 1:32:54
  And I think that's also a part of like, you know, the the
• 1:32:58
  mainstream thought or consciousness, right?
• 1:33:01
  That it's everything, especially nowadays, has to be rushed.
• 1:33:05
  We're watching 22nd videos. Oh, you didn't get to your
• 1:33:09
  point. You're stumbling on your words.
• 1:33:11
  Or maybe you're still developing a point because the world is
• 1:33:15
  still in motion and you know, things can coexist and whatever.
• 1:33:19
  I don't know, I'm very generalizing, but you get what
• 1:33:21
  I'm saying. It's very interesting what you
• 1:33:23
  said that, you know, like it took you in a few months to
• 1:33:26
  really see the whole picture and and kind of figure it out like
• 1:33:29
  that. It's it's.
• 1:33:30
  There's a lot of things, there's a lot of things that happen.
• 1:33:32
  And I think that that's been like that's been for me, the
• 1:33:36
  most useful and helpful tool to get to know myself is talk is
• 1:33:42
  really talking to people in a very open and honest and raw way
• 1:33:50
  because and then getting feedback and a lot of times
• 1:33:58
  being forced to explain yourself helps make sure that you really
• 1:34:01
  understand the idea. Well, you know, it's a classic
• 1:34:03
  thing with like, you know, when I was in school, the teacher was
• 1:34:05
  like, oh, you get in. I'm like, yeah, OK, well say
• 1:34:07
  back to me and you're like, I can't, but I get the idea.
• 1:34:09
  Are you familiar with this white Jamaican boy?
• 1:34:13
  His real name is Gideon. I forgot his Instagram Instagram
• 1:34:18
  tag but shout out to Gideon. So he's it's like, I don't know,
• 1:34:24
  like his content sometimes, you know, it's like 818 plus, right?
• 1:34:28
  It's not for kids, right? The things he talks about or
• 1:34:31
  whatever. But he's hilarious.
• 1:34:35
  But he also he trolls people. So for example, he would go in
• 1:34:38
  Jamaica or in the United States, and he will tell you a joke and
• 1:34:41
  he will see like you want to hear a joke.
• 1:34:44
  And then in his patois, Jamaican accent, OK, go.
• 1:34:49
  Then the fish and the fish and the lizard.
• 1:34:54
  And they said hello, ha, ha, ha. And he starts laughing.
• 1:34:56
  And then the other person laughs too from discomfort.
• 1:34:59
  Yeah. And they ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
• 1:35:01
  And then? You get it.
• 1:35:02
  Funny, right? And then you get it and then the
• 1:35:04
  person says yes and he's like, explain it.
• 1:35:07
  And then it's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:10
  It was a show, by the way, what we people find funny, right?
• 1:35:12
  Like I, I love going to the movies and laughing with an
• 1:35:15
  audience. Like I love going to the movie.
• 1:35:17
  Like I'm a Marvel fan, right? The feeling when Captain America
• 1:35:22
  and End Game picked up Thor's hammer and the whole theatre
• 1:35:26
  exploded was such a like moment where it's like how many people
• 1:35:32
  are doing IMAX theatre, right? It's like 200 people are all
• 1:35:35
  there and everyone goes and like, and like you're just
• 1:35:41
  surrounded like people celebrating and you're like
• 1:35:43
  elated and like, and then you watch it again at home.
• 1:35:45
  You're like, that was pretty cool, you know, you know, but
• 1:35:48
  like there's something so and also go out there goes to like
• 1:35:51
  the shared experiences that like these things are contagious, you
• 1:35:54
  know, and these things and like you walk away and they're
• 1:35:56
  heightened and they're fun and they're cool.
• 1:35:58
  But, but, you know, to the point, like to the point is that
• 1:36:02
  the best way that I got to know myself is because I'm trying to
• 1:36:04
  explain myself to people. And if they don't get it, it
• 1:36:07
  forces me to try to explain it more clearly or cut down or cut
• 1:36:10
  away crap or cut, you know, to the root of things or the core
• 1:36:12
  of things. And then I'm like, oh, wait,
• 1:36:15
  that's what it really is the whole time, you know, and I
• 1:36:17
  didn't even know that though. I didn't even know that until I
• 1:36:19
  was like, you know, to figure it out, you know, So it's all there
• 1:36:23
  and you kind of and, and, and, and, and it helps and it helps
• 1:36:25
  to talk and refine it. And that's why therapy, I think,
• 1:36:27
  is so useful to people. And that's why people that like
• 1:36:31
  have close good friends, a lot of times they're mentally a lot
• 1:36:36
  more healthy if they feel like they can confide in people and
• 1:36:38
  have real conversations. 100%, yeah.
• 1:36:40
  Because you're not. You're not just speaking to
• 1:36:42
  yourself without words, like thinking, right?
• 1:36:45
  Yeah. You're not just in your head.
• 1:36:47
  You hear yourself, which is a different process.
• 1:36:50
  Probably also neurologic, like physical, right?
• 1:36:53
  You're listening to your pitch even right now, the addiction,
• 1:36:57
  right? That's how you say addiction.
• 1:36:58
  Addiction. I was about to say dictation.
• 1:37:02
  Dictation is another word that's all similar, yeah.
• 1:37:03
  Dictator to dictate something to lead the way, yeah.
• 1:37:06
  Interesting. OK.
• 1:37:08
  You dictate to Siri. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:10
  So you hear yourself, right. And then you can, if you're
• 1:37:15
  being aware and really trying to listen to yourself and what
• 1:37:18
  you're trying to listening right, then you're able to
• 1:37:21
  really process yourself better or differently, right, Even the
• 1:37:26
  way that you write things down for sure.
• 1:37:28
  Yeah. And that's, yeah, that's your
• 1:37:30
  point, you know, like being like being out there and, and maybe
• 1:37:36
  talking to other people and being together.
• 1:37:38
  I definitely notice a big difference.
• 1:37:41
  Just like even even with you or just speaking to friends, for
• 1:37:46
  sure. Because, yeah, if not, if I'm
• 1:37:48
  not doing that, then I'm not feeling well.
• 1:37:52
  We need to be outside. Yeah.
• 1:37:53
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My favorite question to ask you
• 1:37:56
  about is what are you thinking? Yeah.
• 1:37:57
  So what do you think? What do you think?
• 1:37:58
  And they're like about what I'm like, I don't know whatever is
• 1:38:00
  in your mind, Like I want to hear like your train.
• 1:38:01
  I want to like hear your train of thought.
• 1:38:02
  I want to. And a lot of times, by the way,
• 1:38:05
  and I could tell who I like based on what their answer a lot
• 1:38:08
  of the time is. Because if you will get annoyed
• 1:38:11
  by that question, they're like, I don't want to bother like
• 1:38:14
  thinking about expressing what I'm thinking.
• 1:38:17
  And I'm like, that's not really like fun, you know, like that,
• 1:38:21
  you know, like, OK, we could talk about something stupid that
• 1:38:23
  I could like, I could, I could look up on Twitter.
• 1:38:25
  But like, yeah, I want to get to know you.
• 1:38:27
  Like, I want to get to know like, what makes you a human
• 1:38:29
  being? You know?
• 1:38:30
  Like there's something there that like, I want to have a
• 1:38:32
  relationship with. And if there isn't, then like,
• 1:38:35
  what am I having a relationship with, you know?
• 1:38:37
  Maybe there or maybe there's no because, you know, you don't.
• 1:38:39
  Not everybody connects, you know, like it doesn't.
• 1:38:42
  Yeah, my friends said the the friendship is different.
• 1:38:45
  You know, the conversations are different and it's also like
• 1:38:48
  different depths. You know, it can be a little
• 1:38:50
  more shallow or whatever. And that's also.
• 1:38:52
  Yeah, also the perfect. It's fun.
• 1:38:53
  Yeah, it's fun for sure. Should we should we get the
• 1:38:55
  jamming a little bit? Yeah, but I think, but I think
• 1:38:58
  off. Yes, let's call it here.
• 1:39:00
  This is a lot of fun, dude. I really appreciate it.
• 1:39:02
  It's your first podcast. You did first podcast.
• 1:39:04
  What do you think? That was really fun.
• 1:39:06
  Just that means another conversation with you, so I.
• 1:39:08
  Know, but it's. Just having just talking shit.
• 1:39:11
  I think it's a great time. Yeah, a ton of fun.
• 1:39:12
  All right, dude, thank you so much for doing this.
• 1:39:14
  I really appreciate it. Come together.
• 1:39:17
  Right now.