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The Late Debate | 2 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. It's great to have your company.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James MacPerson with Caleb Bond and Danika di Giorgio.
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  Speaker 2: Already for a big night Before we get to what
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about tonight, we're speaking earlier about the John
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  Speaker 2: Farnham tribute concert.
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  Speaker 3: We go to that, of course, absolutely, there's a great lineup,
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  Speaker 3: Jessica Malboy, Tina Arena, that's a big roverack our same.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think so I.
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  Speaker 2: Would go too. I would go for Tina Arena. I
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  Speaker 2: think she's one of the most underrated as silly as
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  Speaker 2: the sounds Australian recording artists. Ever.
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  Speaker 1: If Tina Arena were born in the United States, she
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  Speaker 1: would have been a global superstar. Notwithstanding that she's had
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  Speaker 1: a bit of success in Europe and spends a lot
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  Speaker 1: of her time living over there these days, but she
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  Speaker 1: would have been a global superstar she was born in
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  Speaker 1: the US.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be a magnificent which September, isn't it. Yeah, magnificent
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  Speaker 2: event that in the Grand Final. Oh, we should all go.
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  Speaker 2: That would be what if our little.
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  Speaker 4: Late Debate team outing, that would be very cute.
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  Speaker 1: We're almost making Melbourne sound like a great place Jane
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  Speaker 1: to visit.
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  Speaker 2: It's wonderful. Here's what's coming up on the Late Debate tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Australia's population today reach twenty eight million people, but not
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  Speaker 2: that many people are celebrating. We'll take you through the
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  Speaker 2: figures shortly. South Australia's debt is set to hit fifty
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars, but does anyone care? One nation do? They've
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  Speaker 2: got a plan to stop debt going even higher. As
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  Speaker 2: Corey Bernardi prepares to make his mark and Sydney's Lakember
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  Speaker 2: Mosque wants to broadcast the Islamic call to prayer, they
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  Speaker 2: argue it's no different to church bells. They also say
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  Speaker 2: if you don't like it, you're racist and Islamophobic. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get to all of that shortly, but first. The Queensland
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  Speaker 2: State government believes it has a plan to crack down
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  Speaker 2: on e bikes and east scooters, which are currently terrorizing
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  Speaker 2: roadways and footpaths. We all know the problem, kids riding
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  Speaker 2: what are effectively motorbikes all over the road, no regard
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  Speaker 2: for the law or for their own safety, and good
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  Speaker 2: luck walking on the footpath with kids on east scooters,
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  Speaker 2: treating pedestrians pretty much like witches hats. So here's what
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  Speaker 2: the LNP government up in Queensland is proposing in legislation
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  Speaker 2: to be introduced to Parliament tomorrow. They're saying that children
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  Speaker 2: age twelve to seventeen would be allowed to ride e
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  Speaker 2: bikes and e scooters under parental supervision. Otherwise you'd need
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  Speaker 2: at least a learner's permit to ride one solo. If
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  Speaker 2: kids are caught riding unsupervised, parents would cop a six
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty dollars fine. There's other rules. Speeds
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  Speaker 2: would be limited to twenty five kilometers an hour, and
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  Speaker 2: there'd be a twelve kilometer an hour limit on footpaths,
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  Speaker 2: which all sounds very sensible, But Caleb, I think the
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  Speaker 2: problem would.
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  Speaker 1: Be in the enforcement of all of this, which is
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  Speaker 1: the problem is already in the enforcement. There are existing
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  Speaker 1: rules about ebiks and escooters. If we will take Queensland
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  Speaker 1: as the example that we're talking about here, you already
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  Speaker 1: have to be supervised if you're over the age of
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  Speaker 1: twelve and under the age of sixteen. If you're under
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  Speaker 1: the age of twelve, you're not allowed to ride one
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  Speaker 1: at all. After sixteen, you can do what you want
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  Speaker 1: they're already limited to twenty five kilometer in our spaces.
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  Speaker 1: So all of this stuff basically already exists, and yet
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  Speaker 1: we still have problems with e bikes and e scooters.
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  Speaker 1: You cannot convince me that more laws and more regulation,
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  Speaker 1: which you know, governments seem to think is the answer
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  Speaker 1: to everything, will actually fix this. You already have rules
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  Speaker 1: in place. Why don't you start by enforcing them first
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  Speaker 1: before you start bringing in other rules and laws. Because
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  Speaker 1: the problem is not a kid of thirteen or fourteen
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  Speaker 1: who's riding his e bike to school at a maximum
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  Speaker 1: of a maximum of twenty five kilometers an hour. It's
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  Speaker 1: kids who've managed to get their hands on illegal souped
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  Speaker 1: up e bikes and scooters that are doing forty kilometers
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  Speaker 1: an hour plus that they're going out joy riding on
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  Speaker 1: and all sorts of stuff that they shouldn't be doing.
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  Speaker 1: That's the problem. And yet the rules we already have
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  Speaker 1: have not fixed that. So you can't tell me for
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  Speaker 1: one minute that this will actually do anything about it.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to fix it, you need the will
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  Speaker 1: power to crack down with the rules you already have.
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  Speaker 1: Laws won't change a thing.
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  Speaker 3: I understand that, but I feel like the difference this
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  Speaker 3: time is that the onus is now more on a parent,
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  Speaker 3: Like it is the parent that is going to have
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  Speaker 3: to take responsibility should they not be there to supervise
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  Speaker 3: their child. If this child is acting like a whoon
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  Speaker 3: and doing forty kilometers an hour roaming around the suburbs,
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  Speaker 3: you know, being an absolute delinquent. This is the difference
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  Speaker 3: now with this sort of legislation. Now, I'm not all
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  Speaker 3: for red tape, bread tape and laws, laws and laws,
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  Speaker 3: but I think it's fantastic that we're finally going to
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  Speaker 3: see parents take some bloody responsibility. I mean, we literally
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  Speaker 3: cry out for parental responsibility every time a youth crime
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  Speaker 3: story happens. We've got hons like this on our screens
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  Speaker 3: right now that we can see hold their parents in
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  Speaker 3: and say, take.
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  Speaker 4: Some responsibility for your child.
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  Speaker 3: It should not be up to everyday ordinary Australians to
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  Speaker 3: have to deal with this nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're right, that's the only way to stop it,
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  Speaker 2: because parents will pretty quickly rain in their kids once
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  Speaker 2: you hit with the six hundred and twenty dollars worth
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  Speaker 2: of fines. Just the other day, I'm having coffee and
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  Speaker 2: I'm watching I know, five or pulling monos straight down
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the street, and I got to admit
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  Speaker 2: I thought delinquents, and I wish I could have done
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  Speaker 2: that when I was fifteen. Quite so, there's this mixture
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  Speaker 2: of you know, they're out of control and quiet admiration
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  Speaker 2: on my own.
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  Speaker 1: Would they have been going faster than twenty five kilometers
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  Speaker 1: an hour.
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  Speaker 2: Not doing a mono? No, that would be ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: You never know. But look, I don't disagree about the
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  Speaker 1: point that parents need to be held responsible because you
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  Speaker 1: know who's buying. I mean, the kids aren't going out
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  Speaker 1: and dropping five grand themselves. Now, I wouldn't have thought
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  Speaker 1: on these e bikes. So they're getting them from somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Presumably parents or others in their family, maybe siblings or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: are funding them. But like, is there really a problem
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  Speaker 1: if you were at thirteen or fourteen year old kid
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  Speaker 1: riding an east b bike or an EES scooter to
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  Speaker 1: school at a maximum of twenty five kilometers an hour?
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  Speaker 1: Is that a terror to society? A menace to society?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it particularly is The issue is those
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  Speaker 1: who go out on these souped up bikes that are
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  Speaker 1: going way faster than twenty five kilometers an hour getting
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  Speaker 1: around in gangs and terrorizing people on the roads and footpaths.
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  Speaker 1: That's not some kid who's going to school or the
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  Speaker 1: local shops on the weekend. I just don't I think
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  Speaker 1: everyone is being caught in this when they don't need to.
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  Speaker 1: I rode an e bike and an e scooter. This
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  Speaker 1: is long before they sort of became commonplace. When I
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  Speaker 1: was in my teenage years, my grandfather had one. I
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  Speaker 1: used to go down a stay at his place in
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  Speaker 1: Gulwa and used to ride it all over the shop.
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  Speaker 1: And I wasn't terrorizing people. I was just having some
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  Speaker 1: fun on my holidays. But what's the issue.
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  Speaker 3: But I think in this case, I know that twenty
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  Speaker 3: five kilometers an hour is.
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  Speaker 1: Slow, too faster on a normal I get.
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  Speaker 3: That, But I think in this case it's more making
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  Speaker 3: sure than at that speed that there is still a
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  Speaker 3: parent supervising to make sure that that child is obeying
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  Speaker 3: all of the rules, because that's the problem. Some of
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  Speaker 3: them go over the limits and then they don't know
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  Speaker 3: how to you know, if they're on the cycle paths,
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  Speaker 3: they don't know which way to go. I mean, kids
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  Speaker 3: do make mistakes, but it's like a parent into an
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  Speaker 3: l plator's car.
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  Speaker 4: It's like that level of supervision.
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  Speaker 1: So what about it on a pushback without a motor
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  Speaker 1: and I'm ripping forty kilometers an hour downhill, which is
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  Speaker 1: quite easy to do. What's the what are the copper
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  Speaker 1: is going to do about that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, then the parents need to be holding the pizza parents' responsibility.
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  Speaker 1: It's not in this, is it? This is about ebuch?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's fine because it's not motorized. Therefore it's a bicycle, So.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay to go really fast and terrorized pedestrians as
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  Speaker 1: long as it doesn't have a motor on it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, because the problem here is what's a bicycle and
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  Speaker 2: what's a motorcycle? And now the two have fused and
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  Speaker 2: so there's confusion. There's a gray area. So your bicycle
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  Speaker 2: is fine, but the moment you put a motor on it,
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  Speaker 2: it's a different kind of area, isn't.
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  Speaker 1: But isn't the issue the terrorization of other people and
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  Speaker 1: the behavior not the vehicle itself? I mean, because would
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  Speaker 1: you say, for instance, with cars, right, you know you
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  Speaker 1: can buy cars that could go four or five hundred
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  Speaker 1: k an hour, but we don't put speed limits on cars,
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  Speaker 1: we have speed limits on the road, and if you
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  Speaker 1: break those rules, we then find you for doing so,
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  Speaker 1: or worse, you could lose your license whatever it might be.
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  Speaker 1: We don't say, well, the cars have a legal limit
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  Speaker 1: that they must be produced to only go that fast.
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  Speaker 1: So we could say you can drive a car as
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  Speaker 1: fast as you want on the road if it's possible to,
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  Speaker 1: but if you get caught, you'll get in trouble. Why
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  Speaker 1: would the same not apply to an ebuch for instance.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that. But here's something
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  Speaker 2: we've not discussed with this. You've been in Brisbane recently,
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  Speaker 2: they've got Lime bikes everywhere. You have to have a
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  Speaker 2: license now to use these Lime scooters. The company is
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  Speaker 2: arguing this is going to destroy their business because tourists,
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  Speaker 2: young backpackers, et cetera, probably won't have international licenses, therefore
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  Speaker 2: won't be allowed to ride these things legally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's ridiculous, Like do you need a
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  Speaker 1: license to ride a scooter? I remember they introduced the
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  Speaker 1: scooters in Adelaide, well, becuz I was still living there.
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  Speaker 1: I left their five years and it was long before then,
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  Speaker 1: so they must have had them for seven eight nine
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  Speaker 1: years now down in Adelaide, they introduced them as part
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  Speaker 1: of the Fringe Festival. Now magnificent to get around town
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  Speaker 1: on because you go to a fringe show and then
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  Speaker 1: you go to the other side of the one bloody fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: Should the Queensland government carve out some legislation to allow
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  Speaker 2: those sort of rental e scooters to be but.
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  Speaker 1: Just think we are over governed, We're just so governed.
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  Speaker 3: Should have a license because what happens if you're a
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  Speaker 3: tourist again, you can't read the road, What if you
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  Speaker 3: don't speak a word of English, you've come to Australia,
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  Speaker 3: you've rented an e scooter, or you've rented any sort
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  Speaker 3: of form of mobility like that, you should be able
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  Speaker 3: to at least read the road signs and understand our
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  Speaker 3: road rules.
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  Speaker 1: But that person could still then legally ride a push
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  Speaker 1: bike faster than they could go on.
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  Speaker 3: But I think even if you want to read to
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  Speaker 3: ride an e scooter, I think that you need to
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  Speaker 3: at least have a license. I think that's absolutely fair
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  Speaker 3: enough because it puts other people at risk if you've
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  Speaker 3: got no idea because you can't read the road signs
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  Speaker 3: and you.
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  Speaker 4: Don't understand the left from right.
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  Speaker 3: What if you drive on the other side of the
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  Speaker 3: road in the country, no idea.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, But if they do it on a pushback, no, No,
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  Speaker 4: I think there should be licenses.
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  Speaker 3: I absolutely feel every every pushbo not for push bikes.
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking to e scooter.
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  Speaker 1: No, But I'm saying that you can do the same
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  Speaker 1: things on a pushback. So if a tourist needs a
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  Speaker 1: license to ride an escooter, which for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: don't go more than fifteen kilometers an hour, those those
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  Speaker 1: hired ones, unless you have not they've made forty No,
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  Speaker 1: they don't do forty the one I was on.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like they could go a lot quicker than that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely not. I've ridden dozens of the things.
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  Speaker 2: You're not writing it properly, cave, I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: you've been doing for yours.
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  Speaker 1: All the ones I've been been speed limited. But you
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  Speaker 1: can go faster than that very easily on a pushback.
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  Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is, if the problem is that
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  Speaker 1: going at speed is a terror to other people on
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  Speaker 1: the roads or the footpaths, why would you not apply
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  Speaker 1: those same rules to other vehicles that would you would
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  Speaker 1: use on a footpath like a pushback that you can
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  Speaker 1: very easily get along at more than twenty k out.
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  Speaker 3: Look, you know what, I don't have the answer for
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  Speaker 3: that one, Caleb, But let me government.
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  Speaker 1: That's our problem over regulation.
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  Speaker 4: I do agree that we are over governed.
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  Speaker 3: That that I'm not I'm not into all these rules, but
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  Speaker 3: I just think when it comes to road safety, you've
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  Speaker 3: got to take some responsibility, and if it means putting
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  Speaker 3: a license forward, then so be it. I'd feel safer
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  Speaker 3: on the roads if I knew that people around me
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  Speaker 3: were licensed, whether they're in a car or not, wouldn't you?
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, not necessarily been.
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  Speaker 2: Plenty of licensed drivers have scared the lights out of
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  Speaker 2: the pore.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure why license is the difference between the
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  Speaker 1: misbehavior or not.
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  Speaker 4: That is a very very good point.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look, big Australia keeps getting bigger. As of today,
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  Speaker 3: our population reached twenty eight million people. Would you believe
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  Speaker 3: with five hundred thousand new people in the last twelve
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  Speaker 3: months alone, the ABS estimates that a person arrived to
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  Speaker 3: live in Australia every fifty nine seconds. My goodness, with
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  Speaker 3: an overall population increase of one person every one minute,
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  Speaker 3: and fifteen seconds now. Based on these ABS statistics released today,
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  Speaker 3: the current model the nation's population will reach twenty nine
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  Speaker 3: million sometime in two thousand and twenty eight and could
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  Speaker 3: rise to thirty million by twenty thirty one. The model
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  Speaker 3: also estimates that in twenty twenty six, the average age
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  Speaker 3: of the country is now thirty nine point seventy two
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  Speaker 3: years old. The female population is one point eight percent
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  Speaker 3: higher than the male population, which I thought was actually
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  Speaker 3: quite interesting. Now, when are we actually going to have
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  Speaker 3: a serious and proper debate on population in this country.
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  Speaker 3: It is something that the coalition is asking questions about today.
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  Speaker 5: The one thing that the government has total control over
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  Speaker 5: is the number of people who come into our country
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  Speaker 5: every year, and labor has allowed millions of people to
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  Speaker 5: come in on their watch in a way that is
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  Speaker 5: completely unsustainable. We need to get migration back down to
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  Speaker 5: more sustainable levels.
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  Speaker 4: And he's right.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody ever voted for this, nobody ever voted for a
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  Speaker 3: big population. Yet here we are, and I'm sure that
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  Speaker 3: you see that every time you're out on the roads.
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  Speaker 3: And we don't have the infrastructure, we don't have the housing.
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  Speaker 3: There's a cost of living crisis right now. Migration is
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  Speaker 3: at record highs. More than one point two million migrants
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  Speaker 3: have come in under labor and another one point point
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  Speaker 3: two are expected by the end of this decade. And
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  Speaker 3: if you remember from the budget papers, migration is not
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  Speaker 3: expected to lower until two years time, around the time
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  Speaker 3: of the next election.
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  Speaker 4: Very very convenient.
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  Speaker 3: We have not had a proper debate over population in this.
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  Speaker 4: Country, not that I can recall.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's something that Pauline Hanson has felt very
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  Speaker 3: strongly about. I've always said that we need a plever site.
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  Speaker 3: We need to decide what sort of a country we
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  Speaker 3: want to be and how many people we want in
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  Speaker 3: this country, because right now it is at unsustainable levels.
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  Speaker 3: And when it comes to migration, I don't think it
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  Speaker 3: is unreasonable to say we've got to close the door
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  Speaker 3: until we actually figure out what we're doing, and we've
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  Speaker 3: got to lower it to try and get every day
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  Speaker 3: assies into housing.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting. Richard Marles, who was speaking at a defense
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  Speaker 2: summit today, talked about the need for for us to
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  Speaker 2: get rid of xenophobia. His words, because xenophobia will become
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  Speaker 2: a national security issue, it will undermine social cohesion very much.
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  Speaker 2: Positioning the Labour Party to push back on one nation,
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  Speaker 2: which I thought was a bit of a compliment to
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  Speaker 2: Paul Enhance, and that Richard Marles would go down that
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  Speaker 2: track at a defense summit, clearly talking about one nation
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  Speaker 2: they consider a threat. What we're not talking about while
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about immigration, whether we are okay with the
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  Speaker 2: numbers or whether we need to slash it, is the
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  Speaker 2: birth rate. Because we keep thinking immigration's got to be
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: the solution to all of our problems, be it skilled workers,
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  Speaker 2: be it helping the GDP. But if we keep going
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  Speaker 2: down that track, we're becoming a very different country, whether
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: we like it or not. The real issue no one
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  Speaker 2: wants to address is why aren't Australians having children, Why
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  Speaker 2: aren't young people forming families? And what can the government
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  Speaker 2: do to help that process and make it more attractive
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  Speaker 2: for people?
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  Speaker 1: Well Indeed, and John Howard used to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: economy delivering a human dividend, and the point of a
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: good economy was not a good economy in and of itself.
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  Speaker 1: It was that the economy delivered for its people, rather
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  Speaker 1: than the people delivering for the economy. And I would
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  Speaker 1: argue that these days we've strayed into the territory of
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: the people delivering for the economy rather than the other
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  Speaker 1: way around. And you see that constantly in our economic conditions,
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  Speaker 1: whether it be the basic cost of living, whether it
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: be the cost of housing. You know, the fact that
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: only a couple of generations ago, it was quite common
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  Speaker 1: and feasible on reasonably low incomes to have a parent
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  Speaker 1: at home. Most people these days couldn't even dream of
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: doing that if they want to have kids, because they
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: couldn't afford to pay the mortgage and all the other
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: expenses if mum or dad, for that matter, decided to
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: spend the majority of their time at home. We just
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: don't have those chances anymore, and they are things that lead,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: of course to people either delaying having children or not
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: having children at all. We also have other problems, problems,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: if you want to call them that. But I think
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: we've delayed adulthood to some degree. And you'd probably have
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: some people who would argue that that's a good thing,
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: because largely it's happened because the economic conditions have improved
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: in some regard, so that you know, kids don't have
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: to leave school at fourteen or fifteen to go off
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: and earn money to help support their families or whatever.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: The opportunities to go to university or obviously a lot
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: more available than they used to be, but all of
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: this is then delaying people going out and starting families
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: and getting married and buying their own homes. They're staying
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: at home with their parents much longer, so all of
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: these things that make that far more difficult, and you're
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: competing for all of these things with all these margrants
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: that they then bring in because you know, you've got
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: to have this eternal economic growth. Now, a lot of
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: the migration that we've seen in the last few years
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: under this government. I know, Janiki, you said, we didn't
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: vote for it, but the only problem is that it
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: wasn't all that long ago. The Albanese government was re
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: elected with a huge majority after they'd already brought in
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: more than a million people, so we were aware of
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: that then. It's only really in the last twelve months
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: or less than twelve months that people have started to
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: wake up to the effects of that, and you're now
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: seeing that the polling for one nation. But largely the
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: migration we've seen in the last few years has been
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: to patch up a weak economy, because if you bring
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: people in it necessarily creates inflation and alleged economic growth.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Most of these people are then given jobs that are
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: in some way funded by the government, be it in
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: aged care or the NDAs or something like this, and
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: something like seventy five percent of jobs in recent years
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: have been connected to government funding in some way. And
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: then we go, hey, presto, we've got economic growth. Well,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: we've not had real growth at all, and we're all
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: paying for correct.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, we would have been in a recession years
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: ago had migration not been the only thing that's been
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: propping up the Ponzi scheme economy.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: But labor loves a big Australia. Labor loves to see a.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Big population because it means obviously they can tax people more.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: And as we know, they love migration because migrants tend
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: to favor the labor vote. We have to remember Tony
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Burk's citizen tour of Australia just prior to the election,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: where everybody got a citizenship, because migrants do tend to
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: vote for the government that let them in. So it
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: works politically very well for labor to keep this on.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: But twenty eight million is our population. Now, look, that
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: is frightening. That is frightening, and.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: You see it, you see it out there, you see
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: it on the roads.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Every time I go back to Perth, I just cannot
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: believe how much the population has increased in the seven
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: years that I've been living in Sydney. It shocks me
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: when I go back to see how many people are
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: living there now.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: So we know one nation stance. Angus Taylor has very
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: publicly tied their immigration numbers to housing supply. Will the
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: next election It's not going to be a clever site
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: on immigration, but will it by default.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Well it should be be that, but it should be
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: James which should be a choice.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: It will be a choice between continued high immigration or
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: massive cuts and Australians will be able to have.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: This is why, and I've said this many times.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Before, the Coalition to release their migration plan in full,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: that includes the non how many migrants they are going
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: to let in every single year, how many they're going
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: to cut it by. And now they say we don't
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: need to do that, it will be unnecessary. We'll do
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: that closer to the election. But if you want, if
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: this is not more data, this abs started today, more
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: proof that we've got to have some figures. Then I'm
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: not sure what will because clearly this it should be.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: The last two elections, immigration has barely made it to
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: the forefront, and both elections should have been a plebiscite
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: on immigration as well.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: But it hasn't been. Third time lucky hopefully, And.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Of course this is what is driving the increase, largely
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: in the One Nation vote One Nation down in South Australia.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Of course they did reasonably well at the state election
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: in March, the good four in the lower House and
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: three in the Upper House. Now Corey Bernardi, who is
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: the leader of One Nation in South Australia, says that
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: state should have a debt ceiling. Now I'd talked before
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: about the economy serving the people and all of this
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: government spending, right, I mean, and we've been hearing from
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: the federal government after the federal budget, all this business
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: about intergenerational equity. We want to talk about matters of
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: intergenerational equity. Why don't we talk about the intergenerational theft
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: that is being perpetrated by a rampant government debt, Because
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: this stuff does have to be paid for at some point,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: and certainly in the meantime we're paying for the interest
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: on it. And when someone comes knocking and wants their
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: money back, it won't be the people who are spending
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: it today who have to pay it back. It'll be
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: my generation, it'll be your kids, it'll be your grandkids.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: So Coryberardi in South Australia says we need a debt ceiling.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: He says, the fact is at federal and state level
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: we are creating an intergenerational burden with next to nothing
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: to show for it. Debt has become a runaway train
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: under both the labor and Liberal parties in recent times.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: It is the debt ceiling, he says, is a practical measure.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: It means that they can't get the debt problem off
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: into the long grass. That means that our children can
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: actually have a confidence in the future that it will
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: not be burdened with errors of the past. Now, this
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: system exists in the United States where if they want
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: to go above the debt ceiling that has been set,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: they have to go to Congress for approval. And what
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: one nation Corbinardi in South Australia are proposing is that
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: based on figures that will come out of the state
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: budget which will be handed down on Thursday. They will
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: put up legislation or put afford a bill this week
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to institute a debt ceiling, and that would mean that
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the Treasurer would need to get a majority of seventy
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: five percent of the Parliament to agree to borrowing more
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: money above a number that the Parliament would then set.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: And I think it's eminently sensible and I think it
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: should go national because there has to be some level
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: of accountability for the borrowing and the spending that we
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: see from all levels of government. Now.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: It was Thomas Sowlo was reading today who said politicians
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: have two major priorities. Being elected is number one. Number
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: two is being re elected and number three is well,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: who knows what number three is, but it's a long
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: way behind the other two, which goes to your point.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: They spend and spend and spend because as long as
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: they're reelected, and they're not really worried about paying it
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: back because they'll be long gone enjoying their pensions. As
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: you say, this is totally sensible. But do you think
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: the South Australian Labor Party will agree to it? I
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: doubt it. Their debt's already at forty eight point seven
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: billions so fifty billion dollars as a net ceiling is
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: not far away if they reach that. Danika, the annual
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: interest bill for South Australians with three billion dollars a year.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: The Royal Adelaide Hospital costs two point four I think
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: to build, so it's a brand new hospital every year
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: that they're losing just in interest repayments if they get
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: to that point. Ashton Hern who's the Liberal leader, she
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: said that the government needs to come up with a
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: plan to pay down debt, which is a little bit nebulous.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Corey Benardi's plan. I agree with kleb It's it's an
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: objective number that they all agree on. They don't go
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: beyond that unless there's seventy five percent agreement. Good plan.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Well, who says that one nation doesn't have any policies,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: that doesn't have any economic policies, Hello, there's one right
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: here and it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Is a very very smart one.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: And you know, to Caleb's point, you're right, we don't
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: talk about debt enough in this country.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: It seems to be something.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: That's part of every budget or party and part of
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: every finance sheet that we don't prosecute enough and we
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: don't talk about it, But the reality is it is
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: such a burden on future generations. And you know it's
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: easy to say, oh, well, it will happen down the track. No,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: it is a disaster for down the track for as
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: you said, my generation, your kids generation, and they're going
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: to be.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: The ones that are going to be taxed higher and
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: higher and are.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Going to be squeezed out of every market and it's
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: going to be very, very difficult to pay off things.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: And I was also thinking, you know, it wouldn't this
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: be great, not only if it was implemented nationally, but gee,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Victoria could do with a debt sealing right now. Couldn't
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: down and down in Victoria.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: The problem is if they tried to put a ceiling
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: in the ceiling, it'd be up somewhere near heaven or something.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Any problem is that if they went any further, that
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: would put them in heaven. And I don't think anyone
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: involved in this deserves to be up there.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: No, that's but I mean, they are so broken backwards.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: They are prosecuting the taxpayer for their own reckless policies,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: but around the country. To be in more than a
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: trillion dollars of debt is so unsustainable and you've got
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers coming out there. No, look, we're finding savings,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: we're doing exceptionally well.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, but I do applaud one nation for this policy.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Well, times are certainly tough, including in Tasmania where a
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Tasmanian institution. Did James help me with this culub? Is
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: that Boag or Bob, the James Bogue Brewery, which has
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: existed in Lon Sessten since eighteen eighty one, that's one
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: hundred and forty five years, is going to close down
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: because of the slowing demand for beer, not just in
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Tasmania but right around the country. I get Caleb to
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: address that in the moment, but.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: These really I can tell you. But anyway, I'm doing
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: my bit for the country.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: The brewery in Tasmania has been running at one fifth
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: capacity for quite a few years now. That look, I'm
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: not a beer drinker, so it's sad that it's closing down.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: That's life. What caught my attention about this story was
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the forty two staff at the brewery reportedly were absolutely
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: shocked and said they had no warning that this was coming.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I read that and I just thought it's interesting to
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: me that workers can work for a company or a
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: business and take I presume little interest in what's actually
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: going on. How could you be running at one fifth
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: capacity for a number of years and the workers have
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: no idea that you know what this cannot you know
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: what cannot continue won't continue. How could they have been
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: shocked that it's closing down knowing that it's running so
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: far beneath capacity for so many years.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I guess because there may still be some value on
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: tradition and.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Edition don't pay the bill.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I know, but for the north of Tasmania, you know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: James bog is a hell of a traditional company. And
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: you go down to Tazzy and I've been to the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Bogus brewery and there is something different because they they
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: brew bogues on the mainland with mainland water, but they
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: brew the bogues in Tasmany with Tazzy water, specifically for Tazzy,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and I reckon it does taste different down there. And
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: they also brew stuff there that is only for Tasmany,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: like different varieties of beers that they don't export to
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the mainland. Some of them are very tasty, having been
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: there and tried them, but it's really tribal in Tazzy
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're in the north of Tazzy, you
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: drink Bogues and in the south of Tassy they all
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: drink Cascade and the sort of the two. She'll never meet.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: And I think it's really sad to lose a traditional
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: product coming out of lon Cisteon, like Bogues they'll now
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: have to get. I mean, this is the thing. It's
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: a Tazzy beer that's now going to be brewed on
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the mainland and exported to Tasmania. How sad is that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I suppose that's just the economy of scale, isn't it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: But there are being shifts in the way people drink.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Young people in particular now seem to be into these
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: ready to drink spirits as opposed to beer. But also
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the cost of beer has gone through the roof. You
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: go and buy a slab or a cart and a
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: beer depending on your terminology, depending on where in the
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: country live, and something like twenty dollars on average of
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: a slab of beer goes direct to the government. The
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: tax increases twice a year at the rate of inflation,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: so it compounds. It's a significant tax that they put
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: on it, and then people try to go, oh, I
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: can't believe that this business is no longer profitable. Well,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: if you tax the product into oblivion, of course people
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: are going to stop buying it. They'll go and get
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: their jollies somewhere else that they can do it a
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: little bit cheap. And I want to people get on
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: buddy drugs and stuff because they can pick that up
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: for cheaper. Then they can go and get beer. You know,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: it's just the wowserism of the government doing in good
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Australian businesses. If you want to have a year on
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: the weekend after a hard week at work, you should
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: be able to do so with an Anthony Albinizi reaching
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: into your pocket and taking twenty dollars every time plus GST.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's the alcohol excise tax. As you said,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: that's twice a year. I think the other part is
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: the cost of doing business in this country is getting
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: harder and harder, and we've seen many companies either close up,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: shut up shop, look for overseas ventures, or move to
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: the mainland or move to other parts of Australia simply
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: because it is cheaper to do so, which is really
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: sad because you are losing these local production companies and
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: not just in this industry, and this is not just
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: you know, to the alcohol industry. Look at retailers as well.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: They're shutting up shop across the country because it is very,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: very difficult to do business in this economy when you've
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: got energy costs at absolutely exorbitant prices, you've got red tape,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: you've got ir legislation. It is so difficult to do
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: business right now. But the other thing is is that
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I think that drinking habits have changed across the board.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: And if you look at study after study, people are
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: actually stopping drinking. The young younger people are not drinking
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: like they used to. They're more health conscious, Caleb, would
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: you believe again? I know, we're definitely not going to
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: blame you for that, but they are. Younger people are
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: more health conscious and they're not putting as much money
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: into their weekend drinking binge.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Habits as they once used to.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: They're putting money into the gym and money into kombucher instead.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we say they're more health conscious, but do
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: you reckon they don't dabble in in other drugs on
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the weekend.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think probably they probably doubling it. I do
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: think probably dabbling.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Health health conscious.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I think that like people are more I do think
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: that more well, if you look at.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Their ass have been studies.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: More men are going to the gym, more men are
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: looking after themselves for vapes.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: But a vape still a thinker. Vapes are illegal now.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, have you been anywhere?
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: No, No, obviously not no.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: No.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I do see them, but they're not as not compared
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: to years ago. You don't see them as frequently.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: In my view, I everywhere. Making them illegal made no difference.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: And this is part of the problem. You've now got
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: an illegal or illicit alcohol market is opening up. What
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: was it recently in Victoria they reckon that something like
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: a third of bottle shops are now selling illicted alcohol
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: because the tax is so high. You know, you drive
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: people away from the legal product. They'll look elsewhere.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they certainly will well look.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Speaking of looking elsewhere, the city of Melbourne is looking elsewhere.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: It's got its hand out desperate for.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Donations, and it's asking the state government for a casual
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: three point two million dollars to help fund a tribute
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: to the Stolen Generation. Now, this tribute's been on the
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: cards for quite a while. The problem is is they've
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: got nobody to fund it. We'll bring up the pictures
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: of what it's going to look like. This was designed
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: by a leading Victorian Aboriginal artist.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: Here we go.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: The installation will feature thirty nine bronze sculptures of average
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: children and a smoking pit set with native landscape. Now,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Melbourne's recent budget allocated four point five million dollars for
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: all of its public projects, including this stolen Generations marker.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: But the problem is is that the City of Melbourne
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: needs help.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Not just for this, but also to fund some artwork
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: by way of a kangaroo. Yes, you heard that correct,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: This is the kangaroo. Can you guess how much it's
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: going to cost? This is a four sculpture installation just
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: for a casual twenty two million dollars for the rum
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: can you believe it?
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: What was the original budget?
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: The original budget water million two.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: It blew out from two to twenty two million dollars.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Well, the remaining two point five million dollars, don't worry,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: it'll just go for philanthropic efforts.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: All so they had they had four point five as
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: you said, four point five million dollars all of their artwork,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: two million of that four point five was all towards
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: the kangaroo that's blown out twenty two million.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: It's kangaroo.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: The remaining two and a half of that four point
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: five million or whatever it was that was allocated towards
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the Stolen Generation thing. But that was two point five
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: and now it's going to be three point two.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: This is just extraordinary.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: The city of Melbourne, literally, the spending in the City
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: of Melbourne is out of control. The Herald Sun did
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: an article a couple of weeks ago that the town
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Hall spent five hundred thousand dollars operating an office in
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: China and also whining and dining members of the CCP.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: And then you've got in Victoria this treaty that nobody
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: ever voted for. You got justinto Allen apologizing to the
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Stolen Generation.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: And now they're.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Spending three point two million dollars on a tribute to
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: the Stolen Generation. And we wonder why the state's broken backwards.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Well they're not, actually because they don't have the three.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: They don't have the money.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: But all right, hey, if you're a taxpayer out there,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: please by all means.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: They could afford it if they pulled back the kangaroo budget,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: then they could do the stolen.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Dollars for a kangaroo.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: What is it? It goes back to the arguing' having before.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: What is it with government spending money that they simply
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: don't have. If you can't afford it, just don't do it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to wonder whether this evening had the first
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and auction of the contents of John Law's home and
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: there all these were darns and there was a Joel
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Ellenburg sculpture that sold for three hundred and eighty k
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: might have been the Melbourne City Council that was bidding
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: for all of those things. Now, before we get to
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: a breaks and news out of Sydney today that La
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Kimber Mosque, which about a year ago tried to put
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: an application to the local council asking to put up
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: her loud speakers so they could broadcast on a Friday
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: at midday the call to prayer. They're now having a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: second go at it, and they reckon that if you're
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: not on board with them blasting the call to a
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: prayer across the suburb, you are a racist and you
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: are an islamophobe. The Lebanese Muslim Association Secretary Gamilk here said,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: if the church bells are allowed to ring, and we
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: are in favor of those bells ringing, then why are
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: we not allowed to do the call to prayer? You'll
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: only hear it within a twenty meter radius of the mosque.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: If you're not coming to pray, then you're not going
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: to hear it. Now, I would question why you would
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: bother doing it at all if it was only for
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: a twenty meter radius, because I went on at Google
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Maps this evening and I measured the distance between the
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: minaret on which they would fix these loudspeakers and the footpath,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and it's twenty six and a half meters from the
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: minaret to the footpath. So you would have to be
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: literally walking through the front door allegedly in order to
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: hear this playing. So I don't understand why you would
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: even need a council permit to do that in the
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: first place. Surely that's not the case they want to
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: broadcast it across the suburb. And this comparison that it's
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: like the church bells. I live in Balmain in Sydney,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: and I've got three churches probably within a few hundred
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: meters of my place, and They've been ring bells long
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: before I was born, or my father was born, or
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: my grandfather was born. I knew what the deal was
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: when I moved in. People don't move into a suburb
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: expecting that a minority religion will then start saying, well,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: we should have the right to blast our religious tunes
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: across the suburb every Friday.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: So is that your objection because Islam is a minority religion,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: they shouldn't be allowed.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Well, in part, that is part of it. Yes, any
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: other objections, well, A, you couldn't do it beforehand, so
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: why should you be able to do it now. It's
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: a wrong comparison to compare it to church bells. And
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: also I don't want to listen to it. I think
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: it's a nuisance noise.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: I couldn't agree war, but I thought diversity was our strength.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: Wasn't it.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: We told that multiculturalism was the best thing to happen
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: to this country.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Isn't that what we were told?
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: This is separatism to me, this is absolute, blatant separatism.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: And where does it end?
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: And as for the church bells, the church bells go
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: for literally two seconds, ding dong, ding do and not
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: this call it's going to ring out.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Please.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Church bells is a musical sound. The call to prayer
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: is somebody proclaiming that Ahlah is the greatest and above
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: all other religions. It's for the Lakember Mosque to compare
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: church bells with the call to prayer is assuming that
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: no one knows what the call to prayer actually is,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: which most people don't. The other thing I don't understand
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: is why they say it's racist and islamophobic. Well, is
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Islam a race or is it a religion? You've got
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: to make up your mind on these things. And the
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: other criticism from the La Kember Mosque was all these
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: people that don't live in La Kember, why are they
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: having an opinion on this? Was because we all understand
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: the power of precedent, right, you have one opportunity here
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: in La Kemba. If that's approved by the Lakember Council,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: you'll end up with this in all sorts of places.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: So I think people have got a great interest in
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: not having it go ahead. We're going to go to
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: a break. When we come back, we'll take a look
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: at what's making headlines tomorrow, including a push from within
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: the Labor Party to get elban easy, to ditch the
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Orchestra deal. We'll have a look at that in a moment. Okay,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: let's take a look at the front page of Tomorrow's
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Australian with Denika to Georgia.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: Yes, internal torpedo alert.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: PM faces orcust strife is the headline tomorrow Exclusive. Anthony
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Alberanezi faces our revolts over ORCUS, with rebel labor MPs,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: former ministers, Teal Independence and unionists demanding the PM reconsider
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: his backing of the agreement, while claiming there is growing
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: uncertainty over its roll out under.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: The Trump administration.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: After Labor MP and former Cabinet minister Ed Husick used
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: a caucus meeting on Tuesday to question the future of
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: the three hundred and sixty eight billion dollar deal, one
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: of Australia's most prominent left faction unionists, urged the government
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: to hold a review into the trilateral defense partnership with
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: the US and written ed Husick was saying today it
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: is not the deal that we agreed to. We had
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: to change Stage three tax cuts and now ORCUS, and
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: the Union Workers' Union National Secretary Tim Kennedy said I
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: wouldn't think it would be intelligent if we didn't revisit
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: the parameters of it. As the world is changing quickly
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: and we have got to make smart decisions. You just
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: wonder what these MPs though, are doing here with this
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: aucurt agreement and why now?
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Why now?
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I mean already our relationship with the US is treading water. Okay,
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: it hasn't been strong under this Labor government, but what
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: are they doing?
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: What's the objective here?
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Up until now, most of the talk has been is
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Trump really committed to UCUS? Are the Brits going to
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: be able to get their act together? And now that's
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: all sort of been put to bed, and it seems
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the US and the UK are committed. And now all
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: of a sudden the Labor Party decides to have an
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: internal argument over whether Australia should be committed to this thing.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, would you trust the defense of the nation
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: to these people? Not the way they carry on late?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: For that isn't it because they are in its of
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: this nation. Looking in principle, I have no issue with
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: the idea that we should be assessing all deals all
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the time, because of course, yeah, we should be keeping
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: an eye on the deals that we are a part of.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: But I don't think these calls are coming from a
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: place of let's make sure that we're getting the best
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: value for market and getting the most out of it.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: It comes from an ideological opposition to the idea of
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: having a deal at all. If that's what they believe,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: they should be upfront about that.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: I think I completely agree.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Also on the front page, Wong say so on foreign deals,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Foreign Minister Penny Wong will intervene to slap conditions on
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: risky foreign deals involving state and territory governments after the
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: University of Sydney attempted to collaborate with Russia in April.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Citing an unprecedented foreign interference risk, Senator Wong told The
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Australian on Tuesday that she would introduce legislation within a
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: month to strengthen the foreign Arrangement scheme. The Register of
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: more than fourteen thousand foreign Deals reveals that Senator Wong
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: veto two data train for agreements in April between the
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: University of Sydney and the Northern State Medical University in Russia,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: as well as the Republican Research and Practical Center for
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Pullman Mono oh Hang On Sorry.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know what that word is.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Pull monology, pull monology and tuberculosis in Belarus.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: That's quite a word to pull monology.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: I felt like he did very well with that word
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: pull monology.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: So I guess that to me just sounds like the
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: risk of foreign threats are still very real in this country.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: What I don't understand is so they're going to take
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: action on that right Meanwhile, they're all driving around in
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Chinese made evs AZO have warned are effectively spying machines
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: and are not secure enough even for Tony Burke to
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: plug his or connect his phone when he's in the car.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: That they seem to really pick and choose when it
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: comes to which security threats they're concerned about and which
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: ones don't matter. And I suspect they're concerned about these
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: threats because the Australian newspaper has beenublishing on the front
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: page for weeks now. All of these universities that have
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: got dodgy research deals going on with effectively our enemies
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: and finally, belatedly, labor are going to do something about it.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Well, you know that that old joke, you know, when
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: is a door not a door? When it's a jar,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: or when is a threat not a threat when it's
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: a car. Clearly, sorry, that was pretty bad, but I
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: thought i'd do. But you know, I mean, this is
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: this is pathetic, isn't it The fact that universities were
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: even looking at doing it in the first place, and
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: that the government would have to intervene at all, Like
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: you should just be able to use a mordicum of
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: common sense on this stuff. I would have thought.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I would have thought so. Front page of Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Inflation gets a raise, reads the headline. A higher than
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: expected pay boost for workers on the minimum wage will
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: pave the way for a further two rate risers this year.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: With Australia's lagging productivity and already high inflation to blame,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: economists say business leaders now fear a quote tsunami of
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: insolvencies from small operators who are already feeling the cost crunch.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: About three million workers we'll get a four point seventy
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: five percent pay rise from July, and about one hundred
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: thousand workers on the lowest wage we'll get a six
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: percent pay rise, which is great for them, but not
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: great for the cafes. The retailers who employ them, who
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: are going to have to pay above inflationary wages for of.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Course, we want low paid workers to have a fair
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: go here. But we just spoke earlier about how tough
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: it is to do business in this country. It is
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: yet another burden on the employer, and not to mention
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: at a time when off inflation is back surging once
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: again and certainly by all means, labour is not going
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: to be able to get it under control.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: The timing couldn't be worse, and it's.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: You know, you've got to have a balance of Yes,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: obviously we want people to earn a decent living and
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: to be able to put a roof over their head
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: and afford to live, and we know how bad the
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: cost of living is. But a small business operator is
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: facing the same troubles and costs that a person on
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: a low incomings. You know they've got they've borrowed money,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: presumably to run a business. All of their overheads are
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: going up just as your overheads are going up, and
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: of course that's the person who then has to pay
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: these wage increases. And if enough businesses fall over, well,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: then your income goes from whatever the new rate is
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: to zero and then you have to rely on the
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: government to make up the difference. So I look, you know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: it's all good will to see you to pay rise,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: but at some point I think we need to think
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: about the balance of all of this. On the front
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: of the advertiser tomorrow it says taking the Mickey doctors,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: you're good yarn here from Liz Henson. Doctors claim trips
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: to Disneyland, Balley Wellness retreats, bags and watches worth up
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: to twenty three thousand dollars on a sixty four million
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: dollar tax payer funded quote unquote professional development fund. The
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Independent Commission against Corruption has placed the fund under scrutiny
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: and no wonder what sort of professional development do you
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: think you would get as a doctor by going to
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Disneyland or BALI any guesses anybody knows struggling.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: I couldn't think of anything.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I can think of one. We were talking last night
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: about the fact that all these people going to Disneyland
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: in Europe, we're using the disability pensions or whatever they
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: get in order to skip the cue. So maybe all
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: of these doctors in Adelaide and South Australia have been
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: going to Europe to inspect the long lines of people
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: health concerns who are trying to get special dispensation. Maybe
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: that's the.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Loop and diagnosing them with depression and anxiety while they
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: were in the queue. Obviously, let's take a look at
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: the Herald Sun on the side there our boys in crisis.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Australian boys are facing a crisis across the entire education pipeline,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: with experts revealing they are falling behind in nearly every
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: measure of educational attainment and more likely to get in
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: trouble or be labeled disabled. Statistics show more boys drop
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: out of school than girls and they are much less
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: likely to end university. It comes as exclusive new data
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: shows all boys schools are now in decline, with one
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: in five having disappeared since two thousand and ten.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: This is a real concern. And look, we know that.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Typically boys typically girls excel in learning a lot quicker
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: than what boys do, but to see that the decline
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: is it's quite worrying. And there's obviously a divide between
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: how boys are learning or what's being taught, or how
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: they're understanding or has it got to do with parents.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I'm not entirely sure.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: It's pretty clearly they learn differently to girls, which is
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: why it's amazing when we're having such problems with boys.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: We all know they learn differently to girls, but there's
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: this pushback against boys only schools. As you said, the
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: numbers of them decreasing all the time. It's not new
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: that there's a problem with boys, but it's about tomm
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: we come up with something to address it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: It's been unfashionable to talk about boys having problems because
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: then apparently you're discounting that girls and women also have
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: other problems. Or we all have problems, and there are
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: certain problems that are specific to certain sexes and genders.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: To point one out is not to discount that the
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: other is also true.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Surely, very true. All right, we're going to go to
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: a break. When we come back, we've got our Dope
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: of the day and completely disconnected from Dope of the Day, Caleb,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: he's going to talk about some dance moves. That's next.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. All right, Danik, you were
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: talking about art earlier. You've got some more art.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Stories for Yes, banana arts.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Banana banana arts.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Banana art actually worth six point two million dollars, would
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: you believe? Yes, it was ripe for the picking, but
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: banana bandits have actually stolen the banana part of a centerpiece.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: This is it a carently can you believe it? It's
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: called Comedian. I'm not sure why it's called Comedian, but
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: there you go. It's a masterpiece by Italian visual artist
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Marizio Catalan. It's on display at a museum in France,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: and thieves have gone in and stolen this banana. The
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: problem is is this a second time or third time
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: this banana has actually been stolen because well it's a
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: banana for goodness sake. One person was last year caught
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: eating the banana. It's been swapped out several times since
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: December twenty nineteen, but unfortunately it's just had an unfortunate
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: end because people keep eating the banana.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: What are you saying that's worth six point two million dollars?
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, six point two million dollars crescent shaped centerpiece of Comedian.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: It's apparently a masterpiece. So I mean, maybe we don't
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: know enough about You know who the art connoisseur is
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: of this panel is cayleb Bond. He loves a bit
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: of art, So maybe you could explain to us the lasterpiece.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I cannot explain that to you. It makes absolutely no
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: sense because there was a bloke previously boarded at auction
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: specifically so he could eat it right, Because you know,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: if you've got that sort of money, you can just
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: drop on a piece of art being a banana, and
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: but it's a banana.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: That's what I understand. How can we worth six million
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: dollars if you can't replace them on Lisa.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I go down to coals and replace it. It is
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: insane really quickly. Well, it's one of our favorite segments
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: on the Late Debate. It's our it's our dope of
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: the day. I didn't think my John Robinson, he's a
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: forty eight year old. He was driving his car. Police
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: were watching him and thought he was driving a little
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: bit erratically, so they pulled him over and they found
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: he had an imitation gum, so they handcuffed him and
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: told him to get out of the vehicle. He protested
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: and said, I'm disabled, so can you give me some time.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: The police stood back and said, all right, no worries,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: take your time, at which point handcuffed you tried to
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: drive off in the car, potentially still in vehicle of
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: a moment.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Ray.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: He was handcuffed, so you get very far. I suggest
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: if you're going to do that, do it in a
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: self driving Tesla, not a vehicle that requires you to
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: steer it. His defense lawyer pleading for him not to
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: be jailed. He was jailed for a year, but said
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: he'd made a series of poor decisions.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I would say he is a cuff witch, and very
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: quickly before we go, have a look at this. If
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: you want to get a lady, this apparently is the
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: optimum dance moves to pull out. There's been some survey
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: done by a Northumbria University of women and they've been
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: told by the ladies that this is what they want
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: to see from the.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: Blokes on now why because it's dad dancing.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: You like it, Danika, it's hot.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all from us stick Around. Coming up is
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: the Red Pennanty Show. Good Night,