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AI & Biometrics vs. 26K Kids to Pedophiles: Fix Immigration Now (Full) · Solving America's Problems

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Alex: Solving America’s Problems — where Jerremy and Dave watched two CEOs who
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actually hire immigrants go at it over the single ugliest fact on the table.
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David Williams — the guy who sends 10% of every baby-product sale straight to
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anti-trafficking — dropped this: 26,000 unaccompanied kids crossed the border with
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notes pinned to their shirts that said “deliver to Uncle John in South Dakota”…
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and agents handed them to the exact pedophiles who’d already paid the cartels.
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Those kids are getting raped eight to ten times a day — right now.
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Steven Orr fired right back: that horror is 0.2% of crossings — torch the
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other 99.8% and tomorrow there’s nobody framing your house or picking your food.
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Both men demand AI and biometrics yesterday.
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They just can’t agree on who stays while the machines boot up…
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Jerremy Newsome: Dave, the people, our fans, the American public, they're
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desperate to know they're hungry.
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What are we discussing in this episode?
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Dave Conley: In this week's episode of Solving America's Problems,
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we enter an immigration system.
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So medieval.
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It processes human lives at parchment speed.
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While outside its gates.
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A modern crisis explodes construction workers vanish from
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job sites hiding from ice rates.
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Legal immigrants bring physical photos to government offices to
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prove their marriages are real.
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These aren't statistics.
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They're fault lines running through every community, every business.
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Every family touched by America's most divisive issue, immigration.
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Today's guests bring solutions forged in experience, David Williams, CEO of four,
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humanity Baby products that dedicates 10% of every sale to ending human trafficking,
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including the 26,000 children coming into the US and Stephen Orr, CEO of Quasar
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Markets, and the big beat on Wall Street.
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Who navigated immigration policy from the White House and State Department to
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his own kitchen table where his wife's green card journey made it personal.
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And that's this week on solving America's problems, medieval systems, modern stakes.
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When immigration hits home with David Williams and Steven Orr.
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Jerremy Newsome: 79% of Americans say immigration is good for our country.
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The highest number ever recorded yet 55% want immigration reduced,
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which is the highest since nine 11.
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How can both be true?
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Because we are trapped in a broken system that usually turns allies into enemies.
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I'm Jerremy Alexander Newsom, alongside my cohost Dave Conley, and
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this is Solving America's Problems.
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Today Dave Williams joins us, a 30 year veteran of the baby products
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industry, whose company for humanity Baby products puts 10% of his company
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sales towards ending human trafficking.
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And Steven Big beat on Wall Street or from the White House
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and State Department to founding.
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Quasar markets.
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He has seen immigration policy from every angle.
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Dave Steven, welcome to the show.
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David Williams: Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Pleasure to be here.
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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah,
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Steven Orr: Thanks Jerremy.
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Jerremy Newsome: yeah, of course.
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It's gonna be incredible.
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So Steven and Dave, what do you think the average American misunderstands
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about the immigration system based on your experience or knowledge?
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Steven Orr: Yeah, I'll start with this one.
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I think very simply put, when you ask the average American what is
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the foremost situation in their.
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Thinking and their forward view of the world.
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It's not about immigration, it's about economics.
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But when they get down into it, then they realize wait a minute,
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immigration affects economics.
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Wait a minute.
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I have a more deeper now understanding of the world because
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I have AI and the internet.
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And now I realize that my issue with my neighbor being from Mexico illegally is a
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whole different situation now that my, my now partner is from Ireland, or I'm now
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going overseas as a tourist to another country, and now I need another visa.
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The world is changing faster than I think most people's minds are.
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And what you're seeing is this anger towards unemployment,
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this anger I could do that job.
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Why is someone doing my job?
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And then when that job goes away to an immigrant, they're not happy about it.
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And then when we have harsh immigration policies like we do
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today, and we're sending them back.
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one's there to now do the job that they wanted them to do.
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So all of a sudden it's not a one little thing of send them back
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or I can't wait to get married to my partner from the country.
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It's becoming a more macro issue and I think people are having a
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harder time understanding that.
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Jerremy Newsome: And Dave, you're over in the Orange County
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area, which ironically, right?
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Steven is in Florida.
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Dave, you are in California.
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And the other Texas, right?
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Those are the three largest states in the us but also the ones that.
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Experience most immigration.
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What do you see being on the ground floor being relatively
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close to the LA and to the riots?
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That just happened not that long ago.
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David Williams: For me it's and I'm hearing the term immigration
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used synonymously with immigration and illegal immigration,
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Jerremy Newsome: I.
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David Williams: I think there's two facets of that, that really
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have to be addressed independently.
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I'm all for immigration, 100%, and you wanna come to this country, you wanna live
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the dream, go ahead, bring it on, but do it legally because the rights that, ugh.
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We're being granted to people who cross the border illegally, who we
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don't have really any knowledge of what their background is and what
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their economic impact could be on the country in a positive manner.
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We're seeing them flood here and eat up resources.
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And we see crime that's out of control.
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We see overcrowding in cities that's out of control.
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I'm all for it.
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A hundred percent if you wanna come to this country, come
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do it, but do it legally.
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And there isn't another country in the world that's gonna let
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you come in there and just squat in and say, Hey, here I am, in.
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I've traveled internationally enough to know that if you don't have the
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right documentation going city to city you can be shown the exit door.
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I'm all for it, but just do it legally.
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Go through the proper channels.
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Dave Conley: So Steven, I think to those together.
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Hear you on the economics, like it's a huge driver and I know
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people are gonna be like, oh my God, suddenly there's inflation in
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areas that I don't even understand.
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And the reason might be that it's immigration related and people are
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gonna have a tough time connecting that.
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And then on the other side, particularly in the last four years, we've seen tens
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of millions of people at the border, which resulted in record numbers of
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people being released into the United States without really any sort of
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vetting, meaning we just don't know.
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Like we give you, a court date sometime in the future and be like, okay, enjoy.
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There's a safety aspect and an economic aspect.
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would you, do we even need to balance those things or
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what's the push pull there?
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Steven Orr: I think we do need a balance.
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There's two things going on here, Dave, and that's a great question.
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if you look at the GDP of the United States, between 15 and 20% of it
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is levied by immigration itself.
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Whether those people are the ones who, as Elon Musk always says they're the ones
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that fuel the economy in the back end.
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When you look at, when Trump says bad hombres, and he talks about it from a
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legal standpoint of, oh, they're not coming in here illegally and it's, this
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is not right and we gotta vet every single person who comes into this country.
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That is not what this country was ever built on.
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It wasn't how we were started, it wasn't how we created the
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United States of America.
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We, put a poem from Emma Lazarus, on the Statue of Liberty, and
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they came into Ellis Island and said, we don't care what you are.
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Give us your tired, your masses.
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Give us all of 'em.
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We'll take 'em.
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And I said this earlier to you, Dave, is that, you know what's interesting?
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We probably would've lost both wars.
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World War I and two, had we not had a good immigration we let everybody in.
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It's when you put these internment camps like Japan we
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did that during World War ii.
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Didn't work out too well either.
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Are there bad people coming across the border?
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Yes, of course.
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Should we stop that?
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Should there be, I think the problem is not the fact of immigration or migration.
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In that aspect, I think the problem is enforcement, right?
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When you have a problem on the border, like in Mexico, and they're coming
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across and the cartels are coming across we're, it's this catch and release policy
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that has been in place for too long.
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It's not a catch and release.
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It should be.
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If you commit a crime, then you're out.
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And there is a whole process of immigration that we have to go through.
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My wife did it, my wife's from Ireland, she's from Belfast.
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She came in here on an F1 Visa worked visa too, and then, and all of a
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sudden she became the right way.
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But there is some stoppage to that.
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Some people can't afford the fees that go along with U-S-C-I-S
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right there are getting to the USCI, SS are not everywhere.
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We had to go ourselves.
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We live in dc We had to go to Virginia to go to U-S-C-I-S.
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It's not easy.
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The process isn't easy.
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It's not meant to be easy.
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But if you are having a problem right now with Trump saying as they're going
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to court or as they're going to the SCIS and the ICE raids are happening.
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How are they supposed to be?
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Get their green card, or if you have a green card and they're going
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back and now they're saying, even if you are a naturalized citizen,
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we'll still go back and check how you became a naturalized citizen.
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Those policies aren't making America greater.
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They're making America worse.
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And in my case, I look at it all the time and because they're not able to
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come here, they're going to Canada.
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Right now the immigration right now is nearly three times the size of the United
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States based on the latest numbers.
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And that's keeping the GDP of Canada over 3%.
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That's why they're not even complaining right now.
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So there is this thing where you have to think about it from a
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financial standpoint, but you've also gotta think about it from a
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personal and a familial standpoint.
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There are families being broken up too, in some places.
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And it's not just in the southern borders.
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They're everywhere.
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They're on every border.
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LA is a good example of that.
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So right now, I don't know, I don't think that the crime statistics are
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matching the border issue as much as I, for me, I think that making the
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process needs to be a lot easier.
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And the deep down process problem is very simple.
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And I think you and I talked about Dave earlier today, it's, need
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congressional stepping in, right?
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We need the team that actually writes and makes the laws and protects the laws.
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Supreme court and the judicial side of things.
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Protecting people in general, right?
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If they're committing a crime out, they go, if they're doing
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these things right, protect them.
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The police should be serve and protect, not harassing and deports.
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Jerremy Newsome: Well, I mean, what's fascinating to your point Steven, is the
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immigration court backlog hit 3.7 million cases with judges handling 4,500 each.
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So that math doesn't work out.
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We'll hear from you in a second.
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Dave, what do you think from a policy standpoint or restructuring standpoint
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or idea creation standpoint, where do we find a solution in all the legislation
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backlog that's occurring right now?
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David, William.
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David Williams: speaking, you said you'd be
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Jerremy Newsome: Alright.
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David Williams: in a minute.
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I apologize.
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I thought you
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Jerremy Newsome: You're good?
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David Williams: that to Steven.
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Again, I think we're treating the symptoms instead of the illness, right?
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The symptoms are, we had 13 million illegal border crossings and now we're
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having to treat the symptom the illness.
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Is what caused this and the illness was we had open borders
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and we didn't have enough control.
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I'm all for making the process easier.
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Let's do what we can.
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In fact I was given about hours notice on here's the pre-pro briefing.
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So I wasn't able to have enough time to gather statistics, but I do know
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from personal experience in talking with several people years ago, that
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in Obama's first, in his eight years, the number of green cards issued
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under his administration in eight years was less than half of what
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Trump issued in his first four years.
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if the green card process was so difficult and it became a little bit easier.
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Then why didn't we go down that path, continue down that path,
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rather than just open the flood gates and let people through.
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Now we've overrun our system.
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We've overrun the, immigration system.
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We've overrun the court system, and now it's, throw everything you can at
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the wall to try to fix the problem.
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I'm all for, like I said, make the immigration process better and easier, but
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it doesn't mean you have carte blanche.
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Just walk in the country and we'll give you asylum.
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It just can't be.
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And, I'm an anti-human trafficking.
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That's where my passion is.
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That's where I want to stay focused on.
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the amount of kids that came across the border that were unaccompanied minors that
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were brought across with the cartel, with a letter pinned on it that said, my uncle
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John Adams up in South Dakota, here's his phone number is hogar to deliver me to.
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Knowing that was a pedophile that paid the cartel to pin that letter on that
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kid and bring 'em across the country, and the US government handed 'em over.
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I'm sorry, that's broken.
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That's wrong.
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And Steve, your wife had to go through a vetting process.
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Every single one of those kids should have been matched up.
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They should have been a background check.
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My friends came across with kids and their kids had to be vetted.
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They had to go through and prove who their parents were.
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These kids were brought across the border and handed over to total
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strangers because a letter was pinned to 'em, saying that my uncle is John
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Adams up in North Dakota, even though it's Miguel Rodriguez, whatever.
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Show me how there's any lineage there, that's your uncle,
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this is what was being done.
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These kids are being trafficked, they're being abused.
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We had zero control on the process and yeah, I'm sorry.
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If we gotta round up a bunch of people and send 'em back and
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say, you know what, I'm sorry.
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Start over.
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you had the money to pay the coyote in a lot of cases to get here.
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You had the money to go through and file your documentation.
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Again I'm not against immigration, I'm against illegal immigration,
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Jerremy Newsome: Sure.
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Yeah.
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Makes perfect sense.
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What the big challenge, I think a lot of people have mentioned, to
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your point, you're saying like, we're trying to fix the system.
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That's we're healing it right now, that it's already happened.
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But going forward, what do you think would be the fastest policy to create for
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the people that want to come in legally?
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That process also a lot of people feel is extremely arduous.
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It's a massive backlog.
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It's very inundated.
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It's not handled appropriately.
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Is there a policy or something that you feel that could just
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start implementing that right now?
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That would be faster or better, more efficient?
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David Williams: Again, put a bandaid on a bad situation.
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I think it I have a heart and I feel for the people that have been here for.
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years, 10 years, 15 years, established a life here.
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At the same time, I'm doing a construction project right now for my girlfriend Sarah,
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who's building out a new optometry office.
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And, I have migrant workers in there that are working as subcontractors.
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I've got framing, I've got electrical, most of which speak very little English.
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And I'm in there with my broken eng Spanish trying to communicate with them.
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But the consensus even within that group is, yeah, we got it.
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We're a couple guys short 'cause they're hiding from ice.
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I go, okay, I got it.
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How do you feel about that?
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And they said, you know what?
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They're idiots.
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And I'm telling you, I have three foremans that are Hispanic, Mexican,
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heritage that came over here.
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And they said, you know what?
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I told those guys, don't be drinking and driving.
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Don't be driving a car that doesn't have proper registration, especially if you've
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not gone through and taken the steps.
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You're making money here.
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You have plenty of money to own a car.
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You have plenty of money to buy beer every night after work.
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Why aren't you putting in your paperwork to get your documentation?
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So to answer your question a more roundabout way I think, maybe
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the short solution is tenure.
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How long have you been here 10 years, established you
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have a job, you have a home.
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Maybe they get put on the back burner.
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Maybe there's a grace period for them until we can get the system caught up.
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But I have very little sympathy for the past five years.
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Dave Conley: funny.
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I did actually just hear that from this administration.
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They said, Hey, if you've been here for, years and years, like there,
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there isn't going to be enforcement.
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And what I hear from you is that's also an opportunity to just cut a visa.
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It makes zero sense to, to, deport somebody.
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It's okay, here's your visa.
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David Williams: Yeah.
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Dave Conley: Thanks.
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And if you want to apply for citizenship, fantastic.
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You're not gonna be penalized.
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But if you want to stay, you've already been here for decades,
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let's get you in the system.
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David Williams: Yep.
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And I'm, again I'm okay with the lesser of the eagle evils.
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And I think that's probably it because I think creating more,
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adding as much government as we need in order to process this, runaway
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system that we're in is gonna be.
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Extremely expensive.
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And cost taxpayers a ton of money.
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So yes, I think we do have to divide and conquer, so to speak.
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And if you've been here for, 10 years, then you get a pass.
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You've been here for less than five years, not much of a pass, between five and 10.
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Maybe it's a case by case.
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I don't have the answers.
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It's above my pay grade.
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It'll be Jeremy's job to figure out down the road.
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But for now all I have is, my opinion.
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Jerremy Newsome: Sure.
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David Williams: California native.
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I grew up, my first high school I went to was 98% Hispanic.
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It was a extremely rough area.
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There was a gang fight every day at school.
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Fortunately I was a big kid and I had a very big friend with me.
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And we had to stand up for ourselves in school.
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Unfortunately, we were the minorities.
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We had to be the ones protecting ourselves.
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I also had a lot of great families that took me in as one of their
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own and treated me, oh, you gotta eat, come feed, oh, here's tamales.
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It's a community that if you are able to connect with,
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will treat you like their own.
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But at the same time, there's some bad apples in there.
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And unfortunately we didn't do a very good job vetting those.
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And there's a lot of fallout because of it.
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And the biggest fallout that just eats at me is what's happening to these kids.
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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah, for sure.
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Steven, you were shaking your head earlier when David was saying
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that would be really expensive.
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What's your general first thought on that?
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Steven Orr: Yeah, there's two thoughts on that and two separate sections.
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The first one for me is, when I went to Japan not too long ago, we all know
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how when we go through the customs bordering customs as biometrics.
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So you put your paw prints down and on both sides, and they know who
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you are almost immediately, right?
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They don't have to, there's no question about it.
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So on the first side of that is technology, right?
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We need to have better technology at the borders.
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It's not show me your passport and let some border agent decide
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whether or not you can come in.
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It's automatic, right?
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And the second side of that is that we talked about this earlier, is legislation.
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The new HR 1202 coming out with Representative Morgan
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Lutrell, is get passed, right?
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This is the one of the stop human trafficking of unaccompanied
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Migrant Children Act.
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I don't see a big push on this, right?
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And there needs to be these kind of pushes, Dave's right in
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regards to human trafficking.
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But I'm gonna put this in real perspective.
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Human trafficking is 0.2 to 0.4% of all immigration and migration issues, right?
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So it's a very small port, and let's crush that criminal aspect of it, right?
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But it is coming.
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It is happening, right?
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The majority of people coming across the border.
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I want to know who they are, but at the same time, it's just such
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a crushing blow to families.
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We gotta separate them because one person's on the track an F1 Visa
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and the other person's on the track for a work visa or a green card.
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It has to be a little bit more lenient situation where they're coming in now.
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On the flip side of that, yeah, there's criminals.
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Yeah, there's problems happening, but it's not the majority issue
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that's happening with immigration.
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We're sending back people that actually are doing the work.
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We now have situations that people don't even wanna go to work.
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Dave, just told you that he doesn't want to go because there's an ice issue,
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that the slow down of a building of a home should not be happening because
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someone's scared about their job.
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Yeah.
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I agree with him when he says that, they're spending it on beer money and
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not on getting their visas correctly.
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That's a problem.
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And they need to have some help with that.
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But we have the technology today to speed this up.
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4,300 cases.
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You just said Jerremy in front of the per judge.
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What would AI do to those applications?
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We could go through them, not in days and years in minutes.
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That's the whole key there.
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And that's a problem, right?
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So technology should be solving one side of it.
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And on the other side of it, we should have some kind of push
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against the government and not just in the voting booth every November.
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It needs to be a situation where if these members of Congress are putting
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these bills to the house and the Senate floor, let's get 'em passed.
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You're talking about some of the most powerful people in Congress,
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Chuck Grassley can't get passed.
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Immigration Parole Reform Act of 2025.
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Chuck Grassley of Iowa.
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Come on, Chuck.
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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
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Steven Orr: personally.
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The visible act by by representative Senator, now Senator Alex Padilla.
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And Corey Booker.
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These are two of the most powerful people in the Senate, and they
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can't get these bills passed.
21:27
And from Dave's perspective Tom Lantos is on the Human Rights
21:30
Commission chair, chaired by both Jim McGovern and Chris Smith.
21:33
Two very powerful people.
21:34
Massachusetts and New Jersey.
21:36
So I think that the problem is it's not on the forefront.
21:39
And the first things out of Dave and Jerremy, you guys said this today,
21:42
was that 75% of people, this is on the forefront of their tongue.
21:46
50% of them believe in it.
21:48
And yet we can't get these things passed in Congress.
21:51
'cause the most important thing is tariffs right now.
21:53
Or the most important no.
21:55
Now, if you're saying that 3% of the GDP of Canada is being pushed up and
21:59
we're losing GDP because of immigration and migration, we have our issue here.
22:03
And when and the other side of the court side is.
22:05
It's, that's a slap on the hand.
22:07
Human trafficking should not be a slap on the hand.
22:09
It should be right to the gallows boys.
22:11
Jerremy Newsome: Correct.
22:12
Steven Orr: you're doing human trafficking there's no if and or buts
22:15
you don't get my former president, bill Clinton, my former boss, there's
22:18
no three strikes and you're out.
22:19
There should be one strike and you're out.
22:21
If you're caught human trafficking, there shouldn't be a question mark about it.
22:24
It should go right here.
22:25
Do not pass, go do not collect $200.
22:28
Jerremy Newsome: See you later.
22:29
Steven Orr: Because we have a problem here.
22:30
But the biggest problem is it's also stopping good immigration.
22:35
It's stopping some of the problems that we have.
22:37
It is not round them up and send them back.
22:39
It can't be that way.
22:40
'cause if we round 'em up and send them back, then you're rounding up the
22:43
good and the bad and you can't, and when I look at our own criminality in
22:47
the United States, how many people are in jail compared to other countries?
22:51
We have one of the highest incarceration rates in the United States.
22:54
So it's not an issue of criminality, it's an issue of morality, right?
23:00
The morality of our government and the morality of the people coming in.
23:04
There has to be a balance.
23:05
And how do we balance that out and simply through the courts?
23:08
And if the courts are backed up, how do we help the courts through AI and
23:11
through technology, and how do we help the courts by helping the government get
23:15
legislation passed in order to enforce it?
23:17
So I think there's a fairly easy way, a path here, but I think the
23:20
problem is, it's being put on the back burner because more important
23:23
I don't know what to do, so let's just round 'em up and throw 'em away.
23:26
That's just not how we are as a country.
23:28
As I said earlier, the states of Liberty.
23:30
Liberty says that it's not who we are as a country trying to
23:33
move forward with technology.
23:35
You, I'm a country trying to move and to be progressive.
23:37
This is not what America's about.
23:38
Jerremy Newsome: I like the take that we don't use enough technology,
23:41
at least to as of right now, right?
23:43
I mean, it's 2025.
23:45
There's certain ways, and I know Mr. Conley, you wanna say something, but
23:48
there's, there's extremely easy and effective ways at least start speeding
23:53
something up in the government and, uh, implementing some of these strategically,
23:58
technologies that are currently available for everyone right now.
24:00
Like, why not start using them?
24:02
Dave Conley: I question, look, there's no doubt in my mind that our current
24:07
system is medieval and there's an aspect of this where it's just saying, oh, we
24:13
need to add more legislation to this.
24:17
Part of that doesn't make any sense to me in the sense that.
24:20
Look like Florida is the only state that requires E-Verify.
24:25
It's the only border state that requires it.
24:27
And E-Verify is very basic.
24:29
You plug in the information of either a Visa or your social security number and it
24:35
says, Hey, can work in the United States.
24:38
And it's the only one, right?
24:39
All of these laws already exist, right?
24:42
The president isn't.
24:44
Technically outside of the laws, and those laws are being tested in the
24:50
courts because it is pushing boundaries.
24:53
But those boundaries needed to be tested anyways, because
24:55
nobody's ever tried these things.
24:57
The last piece of legislation was DACA under Obama, and we
25:01
already talked about Obama.
25:03
Obama was a slew of, I worked during the Obama administration in the
25:08
administration, and he was very, he was always a contradiction, right?
25:12
Because he was the smartest person in the room, right?
25:17
And so everything was a contradiction.
25:19
He was the deporter in chief.
25:21
He was also, the fewest number of green cards and daca none
25:25
of it made any sense, right?
25:26
There was no, no unifying vision around immigration because there hasn't been,
25:30
since Reagan Reagan was the last big piece of legislation that went through.
25:35
Otherwise, it's been just a, just hap So I I'm questioning.
25:39
Do we need more legislation?
25:41
Is it just like working the legislation we have or do we need more of it?
25:46
Jerremy Newsome: Yeah and here's my overarching point that I would
25:48
love for you guys to chat about too.
25:50
I think it's less legislation from one specific entity.
25:56
So me and Dave Conley in our last episode I threw out a really crazy idea.
26:02
What if the house representatives did their job crazy right?
26:06
And unbelievable, right?
26:08
Because so far Dave and Steven, you both mentioned presidents and that is, and
26:15
has been for over 25 years, the main person that controls the ebb and flow of
26:22
the ideation of immigration and policy.
26:26
And I think that's a problem because ultimately you have one person who
26:30
probably has very little experience with immigration and that's okay.
26:34
You can't be an immigrant and the president, I get that.
26:37
But at the same instance, just the fact that it all boils down to that
26:41
one person seems very pigeonholed.
26:46
And I think it would be very realistic to go, all right, representatives, solve it.
26:55
Enjoy.
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Steven Orr: mean the president of the United States who's married to
26:57
Melania, who is an immigrant herself?
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Jerremy Newsome: Correct.
27:01
Yeah.
27:03
Steven Orr: Yeah.
27:03
This touches on everybody's life, right?
27:06
Lemme put it this way.
27:07
When I, my own personal right?
27:08
With Catherine, when we went to U-S-C-I-S, she was already
27:11
green card holder, visa holder.
27:13
She had everything and all the documents ready to go, and we still
27:17
had to go in front of U-S-C-I-S, right?
27:19
We still had to go in front of that officer to, to say, yes, you two can get
27:22
married, so please bring us pictures.
27:25
Okay?
27:26
So both of us had our cell phones with us.
27:29
We both had a USB, and the guy says you need to bring in physical pictures.
27:35
Oh, yes.
27:36
This has been almost two decades ago when Catherine and I have gotten married.
27:40
But physical pictures like then he goes maybe, okay, I'll approve this.
27:46
I will approve this even though you don't have the pictures.
27:48
We'll, show me on your phone.
27:50
Show me your digital stuff, right?
27:52
Here we are, 16 years later after being married now, and, I look at
27:56
the system and it's still the same.
27:58
Bring us your physical pictures, right?
28:00
And we're still having to go in front of A-U-S-C-I-S person to approve us.
28:06
The technology can fix that.
28:08
We don't even need to do that anymore, right?
28:10
Just send us and I think you're right.
28:12
E-Verify should be everywhere.
28:13
That's first and foremost.
28:14
Get a social security number.
28:15
Anybody gets social security number these days, right?
28:17
So that should be too hard.
28:19
And I, but a biometric takes nothing.
28:21
It is here.
28:21
Fingerprints.
28:22
Here's some little bit of, a little bit of your background.
28:25
You'll know immediately who you are, but I'll tell you what, Jerremy, if you talk
28:28
about it from a perspective of the new blockchain, the heck outta this, right?
28:32
Every person is a blockchain number, right?
28:35
You can't make that up.
28:36
You can't change it.
28:37
So now we can follow it.
28:38
Technology can fix a lot of these problems.
28:41
And when I look at you say, don't you know, we don't need more legislation.
28:45
We don't.
28:46
Enforcement of the legislation that we have today would do a whole,
28:50
would do a lot of wonders, right?
28:51
And I think that's one of the things that we did say, and we're not seeing that.
28:53
And I think that's what Dave here is concerned about that we don't
28:56
have the enforcement of these, it's this catch and release issue.
29:00
But there's also Zoe Loflin representative from California is also
29:04
working out with one, and I look it up, farm Workforce Modernization Act.
29:08
All right, so you're a migrant coming in to pick whatever it should
29:12
be a temporary visa get you in.
29:13
And guess what?
29:14
You go in and you go out you do the migrant farm workforce thing, and then
29:17
you leave and then you build a reputation.
29:19
And we know we're the, we through the blockchain or through AI or
29:22
whatever, we want to use biometrics.
29:24
We know, okay, this person's been here for a few months, they
29:27
didn't make any criminality.
29:28
They went back home.
29:29
They came back, okay.
29:31
And you're creating a blueprint for how to bring others in, in a direct way.
29:36
But right now we have this, it's just slam it, throw 'em in a, throw
29:39
'em in a cell and send them back.
29:41
And that's not who we are as a country.
29:43
Especially in a situation where, the, economic force behind this is really
29:47
Jerremy Newsome: Passive.
29:48
Steven Orr: to a lot of people.
29:49
Jerremy Newsome: Yep.
29:49
David Williams: also have to go back and look at the fact that we weren't
29:51
responsible for the past four years.
29:53
We weren't showing any kind of responsibility.
29:56
We've got California who was shifting water because of some salamander,
30:01
which was also shifting water away from farmland, which was meaning that we were
30:06
producing less crops, yet we're bringing in more migrant workers to work the fields
30:11
that we don't have as much output in.
30:13
So now we're creating a situation where we have unemployment, we're creating more
30:17
demand on the local government to support.
30:19
Report these people at the cost of home safety.
30:24
My girlfriend lives literally three blocks from Pacific Palisades.
30:29
I can drive over there now.
30:30
I couldn't up until recently, and it looked like a fricking
30:33
war zone because they didn't have enough water to put out the fires.
30:37
And millions and millions of dollars of homes, billions of
30:40
dollars of homes went up in smoke.
30:42
And to this day, a lot of those people can't move back in that
30:45
did have homes saved because of contamination in the water and lack
30:50
of electricity and everything else.
30:52
But the point is, newsom's got an open door.
30:56
Come on in.
30:57
California will accept you.
30:58
We're a sanctuary state, but we don't have enough water to fuel the
31:02
crops that you're coming to pick.
31:05
So now we're gonna put you on unemployment and we're gonna strain
31:08
our welfare system here, and we're gonna put your kids in our schools.
31:11
And yet you're not being productive.
31:14
We're just giving you the money.
31:15
You can't sit there and say we acted so irresponsibly now let's
31:20
continue to be irresponsible and not remove these people didn't come in.
31:25
You can't just put tax the system over and over again and say it's okay.
31:31
When you've been so absolutely egregiously irresponsible for the past five years,
31:37
there's gotta be some major movement.
31:40
and I apologize to those families that are getting caught up in the mess, but I think
31:44
as we spoke about earlier, maybe it's the five year, maybe it's the 10 year.
31:49
Time spent in the US that we separate this for the short term.
31:53
there has to be a quick and I agree with you Steven if we use
31:57
ai, absolutely, man, let's use it.
31:59
Let's process this stuff a hell of a lot faster, what we're doing.
32:02
Maybe that's how we separate, the cream rises the top and
32:05
we use the AI system to do it.
32:08
And I do agree, we do absolutely need more enforcement.
32:11
We had zero enforcement the past five years, zero.
32:14
we acted as irresponsible as a country could act.
32:18
And now we're paying for it.
32:20
And we're paying for it in a huge way.
32:23
And I can't even drive into downtown la after dark, I can't, I, it's taking,
32:28
everybody's lives in, and putting it in apparel because it is that bad.
32:32
It's horrible.
32:34
Sarah and I can walk down a street in Santa Monica because they
32:37
police it pretty well and they keep the homeless out of there.
32:40
But you go down to the beach where it's state land you
32:44
don't go down there after dark.
32:46
I'll tell you that right now because it is a homeless camp and
32:49
a lot of it is illegal immigrants.
32:52
I hear what you're saying, Steven, but at the same time, we're not a
32:54
country that can act as irresponsibly as we have the past five years.
32:59
We have to do something to make up for it.
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Steven Orr: Yeah.
33:01
One thing she just mentioned was, California's use of
33:03
water in that situation.
33:05
80% of California's water right now used for what?
33:08
Agriculture, right?
33:10
Almonds
33:10
Dave Conley: Almonds.
33:11
Steven Orr: and pastures, I can listen.
33:13
I can tell you all the different crops in California,
33:15
Dave Conley: Yeah.
33:15
Steven Orr: not water usage by homes and guess who works
33:18
those fields in California?
33:20
David Williams: But you're not hearing what I said when I started Steven.
33:22
Our production is down because we've had a shortage of water.
33:24
We are producing less agriculture than we have the past 20 years, and we're bringing
33:29
in more workers to work the fields.
33:31
That's what's taxing in our system is you can't keep putting
33:34
more people at a problem when you've got a declining, industry.
33:39
You've gotta fix the industry first.
33:41
So
33:43
Steven Orr: industry that you talk about, you're talking
33:45
about agriculture in general in
33:46
David Williams: agriculture in general.
33:48
Steven Orr: Yeah.
33:48
When you look at ag around the world, and of course I grew up in southern
33:52
Illinois, so I grew up in corn fields.
33:54
I grew up around all of the ag.
33:56
I learned commodities at a very young age, 16 to 18, I learned commodities.
34:00
I learned how it all worked.
34:01
And when I look at agriculture was pulled up outta the ground, whether
34:07
it's corn crops or whether that's almonds or down here now, oranges,
34:11
picked oranges those crops changed.
34:13
And the who picks them and how they're picked today.
34:16
I just argued a few minutes ago that it's gonna be about technology, right?
34:19
That in tech, in the future, we won't even need people picking any of those things.
34:23
It'll be done by a machine.
34:24
John Deere's working on all of those things now.
34:26
And as we grow as a country and we progress and we don't need
34:30
migrants picking, those migrants will be doing other jobs.
34:34
They'll be either flipping hamburgers and when the ai, and then when the
34:37
technology grows from that, we won't need them doing that either because
34:40
the machine will flip the burger.
34:42
So migration is not an immigration.
34:44
It's not about what's going on now.
34:46
It's about the future.
34:47
We have to think about our problem now to, to solve it, but for the future.
34:51
Yeah, we've had a problem with criminality in the past.
34:53
We have, and still do.
34:54
We have a problem with getting them in now with biometrics, our
34:57
technology is behind, but technology could solve a lot of the problems
35:00
that we haven't done in the future.
35:02
When we first invented the car, it gave people the ability to
35:05
go outside of the cities, right?
35:07
But where was the biggest migration into the country?
35:10
Into the cities.
35:11
If you think about New York, it was the biggest influx of Irish in the world.
35:15
At what?
35:15
At one time.
35:16
Why?
35:17
Because they had a fam.
35:18
And at that time, New York hated the Irish people.
35:20
It was terrible.
35:21
We don't want to go back to those kind of days where we hate the
35:23
influx of whoever's coming in Today.
35:25
It's the southern border tomorrow.
35:27
It's the eastern border.
35:28
What we have to think about is how we get them to integrate in a way that integrates
35:33
into our psyche of this country.
35:35
David Williams: Right.
35:35
Steven Orr: I know one of the things that Obama did and I didn't always agree
35:38
with it, but when we had this issue with Somalia, he put them in Minnesota.
35:42
Then it became Somalians versus Minnesotans.
35:44
That became a big problem.
35:46
You can't just try to hide your immigration.
35:48
They're gonna go where they want to go anyway.
35:51
The question is tracking them, making sure that everything's good
35:53
and they're productive and they're being adding to the production of
35:56
the United States or in our case.
35:59
And I think a lot of people are concerned about social security too as well.
36:01
'cause there's journey in social security with those.
36:03
But I think if you look at the future, I think we do not have as
36:07
a country, a plan for technology to be implemented, to track, to
36:10
biometric, to the ai, to all of this.
36:12
And I think we have a good opportunity right now to do that.
36:16
yet our biggest concern right now is tariffs.
36:18
Our biggest concern is it neat?
36:20
And the first thing outta Jerremy and Dan's mouth was, Hey it's on the
36:24
forefront of everybody thinking here.
36:25
So I think for us, I think we need to take that, and I'm looking forward
36:30
to Jerremy saying, answer this question, but when do we do this?
36:34
Do we do it today or do we wait three months, five years from now
36:37
and hope that things work out?
36:39
I don't think that's the case.
36:40
I think this is very on the forefront burner of what needs to get done
36:44
and it needs to get happens.
36:45
Now or before we could have a breakout of a civil war, right?
36:49
In a lot of ways, and I don't mean civil wars and guns and people
36:52
fighting each other, but in a way that we already are a divided country.
36:55
It's a very divided country.
36:57
And the one and the things that divide us are the things that
36:59
make the pendulum swing so far.
37:00
And one of them was immigration, right?
37:02
And the other thing was the economy and we thought it was sleepy, Joe Biden.
37:06
And now we've got a president who's just too, not understanding
37:08
the psyche of the United States.
37:10
So the problem here is we keep swinging back and forth instead of
37:13
having a middle area trying to create the next level of the United States.
37:17
And I look at this country in general and I look at what needs to happen
37:20
in order to us to progress, right?
37:23
We need migration, we need immigration to be on the right path.
37:26
It's not gonna work.
37:27
If we don't have immigration, we will fall apart.
37:29
Elon Musk told you that right now.
37:31
You have, you already, it's already seeing that in Europe.
37:33
They're already cutting rates because their GDP is falling apart right now.
37:36
Our GDP is already slowing down and Trump is already upset about the
37:40
inflation rate coming down and he can't get the rates to come down.
37:42
He's already upset.
37:43
So what do we do in the next year or two to make this happen?
37:46
And I think we need pressure the lawmakers that are behind this, and then pressure
37:50
enforcement and then pressure the courts behind it or nothing's gonna happen.
37:54
Dave Conley: Let me ask you this and to, to David's point.
37:57
Big round numbers for about the last 50 years.
38:00
We've had about a million people we'll say, legally immigrate into get through
38:06
this Byzantine system and actually immigrated to the United States.
38:09
They got all their paperwork and they got all their visas, about a
38:12
million people to become permanent residents in the United States.
38:16
And then about a million people on top of that have been undocumented.
38:22
And that's been true for about 50 years.
38:24
Those are the numbers, a million and a million,
38:26
Steven Orr: Yep.
38:27
Dave Conley: except for the last four years where not entirely sure.
38:32
We know that there was about 9 million.
38:37
Touch points at the borders,
38:39
That's very incomplete and that's often like the same
38:41
person, like three or four times.
38:44
So best guess is the last four years, it's been about three
38:48
or four times that, right?
38:49
So not a million, but now three or 4 million think.
38:54
What would you all think of something like a pause being like, Hey, like we hear you.
39:00
What?
39:00
Last week we interviewed first and second generation immigrants.
39:04
They were either sons and daughters of first generation immigrants
39:07
or second generation, right?
39:09
Their grandparents came.
39:11
the one thing that they said, which I absolutely believe.
39:15
Is that the United States is by far the best country on the
39:19
planet assimilating different cultures from all over the world.
39:24
Like we have more people from more places all over the planet.
39:29
And we are so good at it that, and they said the big thing there was
39:33
actually everybody just needs to learn English, to and if we learn English,
39:37
like everything else comes with that.
39:38
And by the second generation, you're all American at that point.
39:42
So what would you all think to be just like, Hey, we know it's
39:45
been big the last few years.
39:46
We know that it freaks people out, right?
39:48
Seeing a lot of change very suddenly we know that it also inflames a certain
39:53
amount of racism on top of that, right?
39:56
what would you all think to be just like, okay, hey, we're gonna cool our jets,
39:59
we're gonna take the next five years.
40:00
Like we did actually in the forties, fifties and sixties and
40:04
seventies, we were like, eh, this is gonna be a little bit of a pause.
40:08
Is that a, would that be a good idea or not so much?
40:12
David Williams: What's a pause?
40:14
Yeah.
40:14
Steven Orr: And how long is the pause, I think is the question
40:17
David Williams: So I'm gonna go back to your point, Dave, in the beginning is, why
40:20
don't we start and Stevens, let's use ai, let's use the technology we have, let's
40:25
start making people line up and E-Verify.
40:29
You've got, you got 120 days, you got six months, whatever it is to E-Verify.
40:34
don't E-Verify yourself, then adios.
40:38
Dave Conley: This goes back to what Steven was talking about at the beginning
40:41
of this, which was economic, right?
40:43
We have created an underclass of people.
40:46
Do not get minimum wage.
40:47
They do not have any job guarantees.
40:49
They don't have access to any kind of benefits if they do lose their jobs.
40:53
They are permanent underclass and they are effectively human trafficked.
40:57
Like they can be turned over to ice.
40:59
They can be threatened with deportation if they don't work
41:02
how they want to be worked.
41:03
David Williams: In the state of California.
41:04
Steven Orr: You, you're almost harkening back to the time of Hitler calling them.
41:07
Mentions, right?
41:08
David Williams: No.
41:08
Steven Orr: have a lower class of humanity in it.
41:10
Dave Conley: Absolutely not.
41:11
David Williams: of California, you get a job and you're not
41:13
being paid at least minimum wage.
41:16
I don't care if you're documented or undocumented.
41:18
If you turn that employer in for not paying you at least minimum
41:23
wage, that employer's going to pay the penalty, not that employee.
41:28
So yeah, you don't have that.
41:30
The actual immigrant, non-documented worker has just as many rights in
41:35
California as a documented worker does when it comes to pay and benefits.
41:41
And the state of California will say, you know what?
41:44
You're gonna get unemployment now you're undocumented.
41:48
And that's what's going on here in this state.
41:50
And I hear what Steven was saying about, hey, cornfield's in southern
41:54
Illinois and my kids played, baseball through the Midwest.
41:57
I've been through a lot of cornfields in Kansas and everything else.
42:00
I see it all out there.
42:01
And you know what?
42:02
Cornfield's getting picked by machines.
42:04
I get it.
42:05
It doesn't mean, Hey, let's pause the world and pay for 13, 14
42:13
million illegal immigrants until our technology catches up with it.
42:18
Or until we no longer need that workforce, what are we gonna do with them?
42:24
Train 14 million people on a new job.
42:27
We acted so irresponsibly the past five years
42:30
Steven Orr: have.
42:30
David Williams: that we have to take drastic measures.
42:33
And I think the only thing that I could agree with is let's use ai, let's
42:38
separate those that have been here for 10, 15 years that are productive.
42:42
And I'm sorry if you don't fit in that class, you've got 60 days,
42:46
90 days to exit the country and if you can't do it, we'll help you.
42:50
Steven Orr: Yeah, but Dave, if I told you that right now in the
42:53
United States, there are 10 million jobs available right now and only
42:56
6 million can actually fill 'em in.
42:58
And guess who's filling them in?
42:59
Nobody.
43:00
Nobody wants to do those jobs.
43:02
The migrants are coming here because they just said earlier
43:04
that we are the envy of the world.
43:07
So when they come here, they're looking for a better life.
43:09
And I agree with that.
43:10
I have
43:11
David Williams: if I do your math and I think your math's way off that
43:14
only 26,000 kids were brought into this country that are undocumented.
43:19
That are being trafficked, that are being sold and raped eight to nine times a day.
43:24
that doesn't make you sick.
43:25
And you don't say, oh, I'm sorry.
43:26
That's just a small percentage of the people that came across.
43:29
Let's not focus on that.
43:30
Steven Orr: No, I,
43:31
David Williams: bs.
43:31
I call bs.
43:32
I say, you know what, send 'em all out and bring 'em back in the proper way because
43:38
I'm not gonna sit by and watch some kid get raped eight to 10 times a day.
43:41
I don't care if it's one.
43:42
And if it were for your kids, you'd have a whole different perspective.
43:46
Steven Orr: I think the first thing I said about that is that if you're criminally
43:48
caught, you should be hang the gallows.
43:50
I think that was exactly the words that I said.
43:53
David Williams: I agree with you.
43:53
But you also said right before that, It was only about, 0.002%
43:59
Steven Orr: So you're
44:00
David Williams: only.
44:00
Only about.
44:02
Steven Orr: I don't, when you throw the baby outta the bath water, that's
44:04
like saying that we should, when I look at the country in general,
44:08
and I say, okay, I understand it.
44:11
There's some really bad things happening in the world, but believe
44:14
it or not, there are some really good people here too, Dave, and we're
44:17
doing some really good things in this
44:19
David Williams: I I told you I work with them
44:21
Steven Orr: stop creating technology because maybe there's
44:24
some bad people that are hackers.
44:25
That it's not, it doesn't add, it's not apples and oranges.
44:28
Here.
44:28
I've said this a million times and I'm probably harder on those, the
44:32
criminality side of things than anybody.
44:33
I'm the one that doesn't give 'em the gallows, send 'em off the,
44:36
David Williams: and I'm working with those guys.
44:37
I'm working with those guys now, some of which are undocumented.
44:40
I'm sure I'm paying 'em a subcontractor, so I don't have to see that verification.
44:44
That's up to the sub to do.
44:46
But I know what I'm hearing from them.
44:49
We've had this conversation over the past 60 days not six months ago, not
44:53
six years ago, over the past 60 days.
44:55
'cause we started this project about the 8th of July.
44:58
And those that are documented, Hispanics documented are saying,
45:04
telling everybody go get documented.
45:07
If you're not screw you, you should get kicked outta the country.
45:10
I've got a Israeli general contractor who's married to an American who had
45:15
two kids in Israel, and they had to go through that whole vetting process, and
45:20
the kids had to be verified to be theirs and all, they went through that process
45:23
and they're saying the same thing.
45:25
I went through that process.
45:26
You know what?
45:27
Screw these guys that didn't go through the process.
45:29
Screw them for coming over here and doing it illegally.
45:32
And when the Hispanics are saying it about their own people and Israelis are
45:36
saying it about Europeans, why is we Americans just saying, eh, let it go.
45:41
Let it go.
45:42
We'll figure it out.
45:43
Give him a chance.
45:43
Give him a chance.
45:45
Jerremy Newsome: So Dave, this will be, so this will be an interesting.
45:47
David Williams: it's socially irresponsible to those that are taxpayers,
45:51
to those that are here, who, those that have paid the price over years.
45:55
And to see our school systems and our hospital systems and our
45:57
medical system all be overrun.
45:59
Court systems all be overrun because we were so irresponsible.
46:03
And just say, you know what, we'll absorb it.
46:05
We'll assimilate this through technology over the next five years.
46:08
I'm sorry, we don't have five years.
46:10
We can destroy this country in five years.
46:12
We have to take immediate action and the immediate action.
46:16
I'm with you, Steven.
46:17
Let's kick it, AI in and start separating the good from the bad
46:21
or at least the good from the gray.
46:23
Say, okay, let's focus on the great part.
46:26
But we have to take immediate action and we can't just throw our hands up
46:29
in the air and say, you know what?
46:31
Agricultural rebound, or we'll move 'em into another sector of the economy.
46:35
Or, and I'm on the, I'm on the tariff side.
46:38
I'm having to pay the 30% tariffs on products coming into
46:41
the US that I paid 4.4% before.
46:45
But I can also tell you that my friends over in China applauding it
46:49
because you know what, it happened the first time with Trump, they were
46:53
now able to afford American products.
46:55
My quality control manager over in China me up in a Ford festiva
47:01
that he was so excited and proud.
47:02
Look, Dave, I got a new car.
47:04
Check this out.
47:04
Isn't this brilliant?
47:05
This is beautiful.
47:06
I said, what'd you pay for that 40,000 us?
47:08
I'm like, it's an 18,000 car in the US was at the time, this is a few years back.
47:13
He had to pay a hundred percent tariff on that vehicle.
47:16
So yes, I understand it may not be the top priority when we
47:22
have this, but you know what?
47:24
Slap it in place and let it, which is what he did, slapped it in place.
47:28
Let it work itself out.
47:29
But we're gonna create more jobs in America.
47:31
And I can tell you what happened immediately was everybody I know in my
47:35
industry shifted and said, how else?
47:37
How else can we do this?
47:38
Can we, how much of this can we do at home?
47:40
How much of it can we do in Mexico?
47:42
How much of it can we do in Vietnam?
47:44
Can we do it in, they made an immediate shift based on that.
47:47
And I'm hoping that more of it will come back to the us.
47:50
But to your point, Steven, if we're having declining agriculture and
47:55
we have better technology and it's eliminating those jobs, don't we
47:58
have to create more jobs in order to.
48:01
Find a place for these people to assimilate to.
48:03
We have to do it's a simultaneous, it's a parallel path.
48:06
You've gotta create more jobs because we're losing jobs to technology.
48:11
And you can't just keep bringing in a floodgate of immigration and say,
48:15
eh, we'll assimilate them over time.
48:18
It's too difficult on the GDP.
48:19
It's too difficult.
48:20
Our GGDP is down.
48:22
I agree.
48:22
And it's ground probably because of tariffs.
48:24
It's not because of lack of workforce, it's because of tariffs and people are
48:28
laying people off 'cause they can't afford it when they don't have product to sell.
48:31
So it is, it's caused a temporary problem.
48:35
I understand that.
48:36
But the temporary problem is also that we have a way too large of a
48:41
immigration bubble, if you will, that is now taxing every aspect
48:47
of our life, every aspect of it.
48:49
And I see it more in California than probably anywhere.
48:52
Because we've got a governor that's just out of control with what he's doing.
48:57
And they had no King's Day here and they should have been up in Sacramento.
49:00
'cause if there's a king anywhere in the world it's in Sacramento.
49:04
This guy is destroying this state and it's just it's horrible.
49:07
And the fact that they even keep him in office after burning,
49:10
whatever it was, 4,000 homes that were well over $3 million each.
49:15
You just say, eh, I saved the salamander.
49:18
It's just unconscionable what's going on.
49:20
And you can't just sit there and say, we'll, assimilate it.
49:24
Over time it, we don't have that kind of time.
49:26
We haven't got those kind of resources.
49:29
Steven Orr: When I hear people say the country can't handle another five more
49:32
years, they can't handle the country will fall apart in five more years.
49:34
I almost discre that.
49:35
Almost immediately, this country has gone through a whole lot worse
49:38
problems than this throughout time.
49:40
And while immigration is a huge problem, this country has gone through
49:45
a lot that, you could talk about the civil rights time, you can talk
49:49
about wars that we've gone through.
49:52
We, we are a very resilient country.
49:54
We are very strong in who we are and when other, and I'm
49:59
outta the country all the time.
50:00
My passport has is covered in blue and purple in all when I'm over there in
50:06
the past, oh, you're an American today.
50:08
It's, oh, you're an American.
50:09
We do no longer lead in how people look at us.
50:14
We need to lead in all of these things, right?
50:17
Whether it's Governor Newsom or Governor Mundi, who's gonna be
50:20
the next mayor of New York City?
50:22
It doesn't matter, right?
50:23
Because we will get through it.
50:25
'cause we are the United States of America, period.
50:27
We will get through it and we will be better and we'll be stronger.
50:31
Warren Buffett said it very clearly.
50:33
He said if you were born in the United States of America,
50:36
you already won the lottery.
50:38
He told you that.
50:38
He said, look, it's true, and that's why we have an immigration problem
50:42
because we are the greatest country.
50:43
If we weren't the greatest country, they wouldn't come here.
50:47
Or that we wouldn't have a problem if we weren't the greatest country.
50:49
Look, we are called the United States of America for a reason
50:53
because every state is different.
50:55
California does not have the same problems that Florida has or that
50:59
Illinois has, or Michigan has.
51:00
We each have our own separate, because we're such a big country
51:04
and we have different areas.
51:05
So when I look at immigration issues in Europe are a little different because
51:08
they are separated by nationality and what they consider themselves to be French or
51:12
German but if you go to countries like Switzerland and I, they're, every year
51:16
I can tell you it's French, it's German, Italian, and they all get along and they
51:21
do have an immigration issue 'cause he
51:22
David Williams: So Steven, now that you've discredited me, what's your point?
51:25
What's your point?
51:26
You're spinning a bunch of, spinning a little bit of this
51:28
and a little bit of that.
51:29
You're not addressing the point.
51:30
The point is that I was trying to make to you is that in California, we're overrun.
51:36
We're overrun in California.
51:37
You wanna talk about Illinois and corn there, and you wanna
51:40
talk about Switzerland there and discredit me in the process.
51:43
Quit spinning the room and address the points.
51:46
This is the problem I have with most Democrats is that they are hypocrite
51:50
in their responses because Yeah.
51:52
Oh, let's talk about this over here.
51:53
'cause we're not gonna address this here address the issues one by one.
51:58
Steven Orr: this is not a political discussion.
51:59
This is a BA based on very simple of an issue of,
52:02
David Williams: You made it one by discrediting me and that's not gonna fly.
52:06
I'm sorry.
52:07
Steven Orr: I'm sorry.
52:08
I don't care about your politics.
52:09
I care about the issue and.
52:10
David Williams: You No, you said you discredit me because I said the country
52:13
couldn't handle another five years.
52:15
I immediately discredit somebody who says that.
52:17
Steven Orr: can't, can handle whatever we throw at it because we
52:20
are the United States of America.
52:21
It's not a political issue.
52:22
David Williams: No.
52:22
No, it's not.
52:23
We can't handle, you can't say we have unlimited resources.
52:27
You can't say that we can take on anything in the world.
52:30
Steven Orr: unlimited
52:31
David Williams: we can.
52:31
No.
52:31
It's not true.
52:32
We're not able to, no.
52:34
What you've got to say is we do have limited resources and
52:38
we have to act responsibly.
52:40
That I agree with you.
52:41
Steven Orr: Lemme tell you something.
52:42
I know how it works in the oil business.
52:43
I'm in there too all the time.
52:45
We have so much oil in this country.
52:47
We put a nice big bow on and a number on it.
52:49
So that commodity, we've got plenty of food.
52:51
We are the literally bread basket of the world.
52:54
You wanna talk about rare earth outside of China.
52:56
We are the second largest and rare earth.
52:58
Is there a commodity that you're interested in?
53:00
I'm happy to tell you the numbers if you'd like to know.
53:02
That's what I do for a living every single day.
53:04
And I can tell you right now, this isn't a political issue.
53:06
Immigration is a very serious issue that we need to tackle, and
53:09
it's not based on what Newsom is doing or what DeSantis is doing.
53:12
It's based on how we come together as a country to make immigration.
53:15
Most immigration right now, problems isn't even in California.
53:18
It's in Texas, right?
53:19
They're coming across the border in Texas.
53:21
Why?
53:21
Because they need leatherneck in work in the oil fields.
53:24
They need people in the agriculture that aren't even there.
53:26
And there's a problem in Nevada, and there's a problem in Utah.
53:29
It's not a California issue alone.
53:31
This is a United States of America issue
53:34
David Williams: No, it's a California issue right now because they're you're, no
53:37
Steven Orr: care about
53:38
David Williams: but the point is because we're so irresponsible
53:40
in bringing them in, we did not direct them to the right places.
53:44
We said, come on in, tax our resources.
53:46
Go ahead.
53:47
We're fine with it.
53:48
We'll figure you out later.
53:50
That's the problem that we have, is that we've been irresponsible with
53:54
immigration and we cannot continue to be, we're not carte blanche to the world.
53:59
Yes, we have a great, vast amount of resources.
54:03
Every resource can run dry like it has in California.
54:08
And we're not gonna just, got people in California that are picking
54:11
up and shifting to other states because they can't take it anymore.
54:14
They're tired of it.
54:15
We're paying six and $7 gas and you tell me we got unlimited fuel supply.
54:21
Yeah.
54:21
But we've got a state that's gonna tax the hell out of us.
54:23
'cause now we gotta make up for all the immigration.
54:25
Steven Orr: I tell everybody that lives in California that hates California.
54:27
Why the hell are you there?
54:29
David Williams: live here because of my family.
54:32
Steven Orr: You should say, you know what, if you're defending
54:34
the state of California and what's going on you can pick up and leave.
54:37
That's what the United States of America says, Hey, you know what,
54:39
there's other states to go to.
54:40
So if you really
54:41
David Williams: There's other countries to go to pick up and leave.
54:43
You don't like what's happening with you as an immigrant?
54:45
Pick up and leave, go back to your own country.
54:47
I'm in California because my kids happen to be here and I have
54:50
some family that I need to spend some time with my actual home.
54:54
Legal
54:54
Steven Orr: those
54:55
David Williams: My li my legal residence.
54:57
My legal residence is Colorado.
54:59
company is based in Nevada.
55:02
So the fact that I happen to be in California right now is because
55:06
of some family obligations, but it's not 'cause I love it.
55:10
Steven Orr: are in the United States is because they have work here and
55:13
they have family here that you just told me your only answer, right?
55:16
They can go where they need to go to, but it may make a better
55:18
life for their own families.
55:20
David Williams: Huh?
55:20
At the cost of the taxpayers until we can figure out how to assimilate 'em.
55:24
Steven Orr: are you
55:24
David Williams: I'm sorry.
55:25
Steven Orr: to?
55:25
David Williams: I'm sorry.
55:26
Steven Orr: Are you paying to California?
55:27
Are you paying Nevada
55:29
To Colorado?
55:29
David Williams: I pay California taxes every time I go fill up my gas tank.
55:32
I took Sarah out to dinner last night.
55:34
I paid 10 and a half percent tax on food.
55:37
So yes, I'm paying taxes all day long that are helping to support
55:42
the broken system in California.
55:45
Anytime I do business in California, yes, I pay California taxes on the
55:49
business I do in California as well.
55:51
So yeah, I pay California taxes.
55:53
I also pay Colorado taxes, and I also pay taxes in Nevada.
55:56
They're just in various different forms.
55:59
So no, it's
56:00
In every situ, every place that I'm at.
56:02
But I take real offense to somebody, telling me we can just bring on
56:06
the entire world and bring 'em into the United States because we're
56:09
the greatest country in the world.
56:10
We have unlimited resources.
56:12
And if you say otherwise, you're discredited.
56:14
Dave Conley: No I think it's
56:15
David Williams: You're
56:16
Dave Conley: I think it's super fair as somebody who moved from California
56:19
to Florida, I think it's super fair that the ninth largest economy on the
56:25
planet like that's California is also running the worst deficits this year.
56:33
And they're trying to figure out how to balance their budget.
56:36
Some of that is definitely tied to all of the different programs that are going on.
56:41
They are not hiding the fact that they do pay a lot of money.
56:45
A lot of money goes out for a lot of social services.
56:49
So I think it's fair to say that depending on the state, there is
56:54
an unequal burden across states.
56:57
And like I live in Florida now, and frankly they just don't pay like the
57:01
state of the school system in the county that I live in is abysmal.
57:05
So it depends on the state.
57:07
So I think it is fair to say that to both of your points, we do have unlimited
57:11
resources in the sense that we have more oil than any other planet on Earth, right?
57:16
That is a shocking thing for most people to hear, we have so much oil, that's
57:20
one of our biggest exports, and that some states are cratering because of
57:26
the burdens on them and some aren't.
57:28
So I think that there's a certain amount of aspect to this that is also true.
57:32
What you said David, was that.
57:35
The foreign policy for the United States for the last hundred plus years
57:40
has been to put our nose in every country's business, our foot on most
57:47
of their necks, all through Central and South America and the Caribbean.
57:52
Like we've overturned more governments and we've made, any number of
57:56
countries absolutely miserable.
57:58
And I don't know about you, but yes, America is like the
58:02
greatest place on the planet.
58:03
I can't imagine living someplace else.
58:05
And I'm sure for tens of millions of people, they didn't wanna
58:08
leave their country either.
58:11
so is there something to be said about US foreign policy, and if we're
58:17
making America great again, making Venezuela great again, making Haiti
58:22
great again, making Cuba great again.
58:25
What do you think our role is?
58:27
Not only in creating this problem, but also fixing it and
58:31
starting with foreign policy.
58:33
David Williams: Yeah I agree.
58:34
I agree that we have history of overstepping in
58:39
countries we didn't belong.
58:40
And some of it to the benefit of those countries and some of it to the detriment.
58:45
I'm not dodging your question to say that, is from Seoul, Korea.
58:48
Her family migrated here when she was eight years old.
58:51
She didn't speak lick of English.
58:53
Her parents were, her father was a pharmacist, her mom was a school
58:57
teacher, and they got over here.
58:59
And those certifications those skill sets couldn't apply.
59:04
So they ended up doing different jobs and she lived a very life
59:09
for her first five or six years.
59:11
And her brother's now a Los Angeles County prosecutor, and she's a
59:16
optometrist and has been one for 20 plus years, 30 years very very
59:22
productive and contributor to society.
59:25
But we stuck our nose in South Korea in a good way.
59:28
We could, my father fought in South Korea.
59:31
I think in other places we've stuck our foot in, especially in the Middle East,
59:34
and we did like you said, stepping on the neck of some people and doing it in a
59:38
backhanded way that, should be ashamed of.
59:40
I agree.
59:41
If we put more resources into making some other countries better so
59:45
they didn't have to migrate here, maybe that's a good thing too.
59:49
I'm talking about.
59:51
Where we are immediately, the immediate problem, I'm not talking about five years,
59:56
six years, eight years down the road.
59:57
I'm talking about how do we fix it today.
1:00:00
And the best thing that I can agree with Steven on is let's put ai, let's
1:00:05
get fricking technology cranked up and
1:00:10
Jerremy Newsome: So rather than so David, you're saying rather than a
1:00:12
mass deportation, so let's say Hey, if you're here by, go through some
1:00:16
channel of using technology just to speed up the entire process that you
1:00:20
could do a week from now to say, who should stay here and who should not?
1:00:25
David Williams: We're out there trying to use a guppy net to pick up, what
1:00:28
we should be casting a huge net for.
1:00:30
And the only way you can, we can't afford to cast the huge
1:00:32
net, so let's put E-Verify in, let's put AI in and let's separate
1:00:39
Jerremy Newsome: What are we E-Verify?
1:00:40
If they're illegal, what are wever verifying?
1:00:42
David Williams: I'd make 'em well.
1:00:44
To Steven's Point that, we should be able to do a scan, but biometrics, but
1:00:50
the, now your question, does Mexico have a database the biometrics of these
1:00:55
people that we can cross reference?
1:00:56
That's, that would be my biggest concern, is how many of these people aren't
1:00:59
registered in their own country from a biometric standpoint, but I think
1:01:04
you have to it it's the only way we're gonna be able to solve it fast, quickly
1:01:10
is I think all the resources at ice.
1:01:14
Is trying to scoop up the ocean with a guppy net.
1:01:17
I think if you use at least E-Verify to identify the good ones,
1:01:23
The bad ones won't be standing in line to E-Verify,
1:01:28
Jerremy Newsome: interesting.
1:01:29
Yeah.
1:01:29
David Williams: days, give 'em six months to E-Verify.
1:01:31
Jerremy Newsome: So Steven what do you think wastes more taxpayers money?
1:01:34
Would it be like miles of unused border walls?
1:01:37
The 70 billion for the CBP?
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Our boy David just mentioned ice, that's 70 billion
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Steven Orr: let's break that down.
1:01:45
That's a lot to unpack and I think it's a great point.
1:01:47
There's been some good points there.
1:01:48
The first, I think I would say is when you look at the border wall, that was
1:01:53
the biggest waste of money period.
1:01:55
Because guys were climbing over the fences, or they're crawling under
1:01:59
or whatever they can get around it.
1:02:01
I, border wall was just nonsense.
1:02:04
Now speaking from a former Department of State employee and someone who believes
1:02:09
in diplomacy and sticking our nose in other places, absolutely we should.
1:02:13
We've stuck our nose in places that probably shouldn't have been, but as
1:02:16
my former employees would say, I would rather be over there making peace than
1:02:20
having them come over here and making war.
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So in a lot of ways, there's a reason why we're over there is to make sure
1:02:27
that they have a much better life.
1:02:29
So China did the very smart thing.
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What did they do?
1:02:31
They stuck their nose into all of Africa.
1:02:34
now control most of the continent of Africa through finance.
1:02:38
Ask, of the water now is run through African money or
1:02:42
through a Chinese war money.
1:02:44
That, that we started that process but did not finish it.
1:02:47
The second thing I'd say here now is that we also need to fund better the
1:02:51
State Department itself, diplomacy.
1:02:53
And we just laid off how many employees there again I believe
1:02:57
in, in, in peace more than war.
1:02:59
Nobody wins in war.
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And when you have people in their own country that are not
1:03:04
happy, that's when war happens.
1:03:06
Just ask Somalians.
1:03:07
Just ask the Haitians.
1:03:08
Just ask the Iranians right now that in that border and gaza's a problem, right?
1:03:13
Because they hate each other's lives, right?
1:03:15
So when I look at the United States and how do we fix this problem,
1:03:18
fix it over there first, and not have them come here, Right?
1:03:21
If we help them have a better life in their own country, we
1:03:25
won't have an immigration issue.
1:03:26
They'll be like, why don't want to go to the United States?
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I have a better life in Mexico.
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I have a better life in Canada than I did in the United States.
1:03:33
Why do I want live in France, so I don't wanna go to the United
1:03:35
States and immigrate there 'cause I have a better life here.
1:03:37
That's what they want.
1:03:38
And they wanna live with their families and they love the way that they lived or
1:03:41
they wouldn't live in those areas, right?
1:03:43
Or that's where their business is.
1:03:44
That's where their families are.
1:03:45
They won't wanna move if they live in a much better situation.
1:03:49
So when those look, living in South Florida, in Key West, at some point we
1:03:53
had a wet foot dry foot policy, Which
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Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
1:03:56
Steven Orr: you made it over in a boat, whatever that submarine or that 30
1:04:00
stroke engine, whatever that thing was, aluminum foil put together from Cuba.
1:04:07
If they could make it here, hell yeah.
1:04:09
Let 'em be here because they've just braved sharks and everything else in
1:04:12
bad water and weather to a better life.
1:04:16
And majority of them didn't make it.
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A lot of them didn't make it over here.
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They, a lot of them died on the way over it.
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Or they got stopped by a US Coast Guard and they didn't make it that
1:04:24
with foot drive po foot policy.
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But if they're willing to get here, there's wrong with that.
1:04:29
I think that's exactly the weather we should be, if you look at.
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Little Haiti now, and little Cuba and Miami.
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They'll say the same thing.
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You know what?
1:04:37
They left Cuba because of Castro.
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It was a worst economy and a worse dictatorship.
1:04:43
So they came here.
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If we make their lives better in those countries, they
1:04:47
will not want to come here.
1:04:49
So I'm okay with that.
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You wanna say, what?
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Where should we spend our money and where should we spend in the
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State Department spend it in?
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In U-S-A-I-D, which was what?
1:04:58
We're cutting.
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It's the biggest cut right now.
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The state department's budget to, according to the federal government,
1:05:03
the all of it is less than 1%.
1:05:04
Now, 1%.
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If we really wanted to solve the problems, spend money in places that
1:05:09
makes diplomacy and makes their lives better, United Nations should have more
1:05:13
money than they have right now in order to make, and that won't be a US problem.
1:05:17
It'll be a world problem to helping solve those problems.
1:05:20
Then we don't have to worry about immigration issues.
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Then we don't have to worry about biometrics and all that other stuff.
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Make their lives better over there.
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They won't wanna come here.
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Jerremy Newsome: It's fascinating.
1:05:29
Love that take.
1:05:30
Let's do one last question.
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And again, I will say I love both of your hearts for the
1:05:34
individuals and for the people too.
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I mean, like, it, it just really shines through the discussion because ultimately
1:05:38
that's what we're talking about.
1:05:39
And we do realize that it's all complex.
1:05:42
Every single person, every life, they all have a story.
1:05:45
They all have families, they all have their trials, their tribulations,
1:05:48
what they're trying to do, the dreams, the achievements, the jobs,
1:05:51
the careers, their home, their kids.
1:05:53
I mean, that's really what, it's the discussion.
1:05:55
It's extremely complex.
1:05:56
And we realize that we're not gonna solve the problem in a phone
1:05:59
call and a webinar and a podcast.
1:06:01
Dave and I also, we've had a few discussions where we go,
1:06:04
wow, that's actually probably a solution for this problem.
1:06:07
Or there's a real solution for this problem.
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There's a real solution.
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We came into immigration realizing there's probably not gonna
1:06:14
be like a oh that's solved.
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But
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I would like to pose this question because I think it'd be interesting 'cause both
1:06:19
of you're extremely great business owners.
1:06:21
You're great entrepreneurs, very powerful men, very thought through gentlemen.
1:06:25
Where do you both see private sector innovation, potentially
1:06:31
solving what government could not in this specific situation?
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Let's go with Steven first.
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Steven Orr: Yeah, I think it starts with the private sector and not
1:06:41
in the government sector, because why and Dave have both said it,
1:06:45
nothing's changed since the nineties.
1:06:47
That's the first time the bills have, so this is not
1:06:49
gonna happen to the government.
1:06:50
We need to understand that even if we want laws change and we want the judicial
1:06:54
system to actually, it's gonna start with the US as business owners to set the
1:06:58
policy right, to be able to say, look.
1:07:01
We know that there's an immigration policy problem.
1:07:05
We know that there are people, there are bad hombres.
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I'll say There are bad hombres here, right?
1:07:10
But.
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If we take the general idea that everybody is just bad coming in this country that,
1:07:17
okay, throw the baby out with the bath water, then that's not gonna solve the
1:07:21
problem for those owners in the farms.
1:07:23
It's not gonna solve the problem for the Dr. Hortons of the world who
1:07:27
need people to build those homes.
1:07:29
It's not gonna solve the problem.
1:07:31
So I think it does start with us pressuring our member of Congress.
1:07:35
I think it does start with us saying, look, let's spend more money in diplomacy.
1:07:39
Let's spend more money of my hard earned money that I spend taxes on the day,
1:07:43
spend taxes on California and not waste it on fixing the salamanders problem.
1:07:48
But actually getting the deep heart problem.
1:07:50
All right.
1:07:50
If you're saying that the biggest problem is human trafficking, let's
1:07:55
put those guys to the test and send them out and put 'em the chopping block
1:07:59
as I've been saying, that needs to be pressure from the business owners.
1:08:02
That needs to come from pressure financially, right?
1:08:04
If that member of Congress isn't doing it as business owners, then
1:08:07
maybe we should start putting money to people that will do that.
1:08:10
Maybe we should start putting P pack money together that says, okay, this
1:08:15
organization is supporting my ideas about getting rid of the bad ombres.
1:08:19
This is the place I wanna spend money in order to make diplomacy better.
1:08:23
Because right now, all we care about, and this is I think why a lot of
1:08:27
people were attracted to MAGA in the first place, is they felt that the,
1:08:31
people ask me all the time about politics and why is it so divided?
1:08:36
And I said, look, lemme tell you something.
1:08:39
Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders were talking to the same people.
1:08:43
What?
1:08:44
Bernie Sanders on the far left, and Donald Trump's in the far right.
1:08:48
That's right, but he is talking to the same people because what
1:08:51
they're saying is you didn't get a fair shake in the United States.
1:08:54
You didn't get to live the American dream.
1:08:57
Okay?
1:08:58
So my path is this way, and my path is this way, but we're both down charting.
1:09:02
We're not the ones that are happy, so we want to change it.
1:09:04
That's why politics is so separated.
1:09:07
there are people don't really, that want to solve the problem, and the
1:09:11
business owners don't want problems because the more problems that are
1:09:14
solved and the less problems we have, those people spend more money.
1:09:18
And businesses grow and immigration comes in the right way.
1:09:21
So I think as business owners, we have an, obligation to set some of
1:09:25
those policy ideas to those people.
1:09:27
And I think Jerremy thanks.
1:09:28
And Dave, thanks for having me on the show because, this is really,
1:09:31
a lot of ways members of Congress actually will be seeing this.
1:09:34
People that actually do make decisions will be listening to us
1:09:37
at, on Dave's side, Dave's point and my points and our points together
1:09:41
that maybe we could come together.
1:09:42
If Dave and I can come together on this show here and talk about how to get the
1:09:45
things done, maybe they can do it too.
1:09:48
Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
1:09:49
Fascinating.
1:09:49
Love that.
1:09:50
David Williams, what's your thoughts?
1:09:52
Private sector?
1:09:52
What should we be doing?
1:09:54
David Williams: I think that, i've been consistent.
1:09:56
I think Steven's consistent in this thought too, we can use technology
1:10:01
to separate to refine that process.
1:10:05
I think we use private sector to refine it as well.
1:10:07
If you're a gainfully employed person, you've been employed with me for the
1:10:11
past, four or five years we should be able to vouch for these people to
1:10:15
say, Hey, look, here's an exception.
1:10:17
This is not somebody you wanna round up.
1:10:19
So I think that we can vouch for people, we can accredit people that are here.
1:10:24
But I do disagree that we're just rounding everybody up and throwing 'em out.
1:10:28
I've not seen that.
1:10:28
I've seen most of 'em are going through criminal background checks.
1:10:31
Most of 'em are being rounded up because they are criminals.
1:10:34
I think the focus on the security of the country has been on,
1:10:38
let's get the bad ones first.
1:10:39
Let's get the bad ones first.
1:10:41
But I think that we can use technology and I do think that we can use
1:10:44
the private sector to identify who that is at one point in time.
1:10:47
And I, forgive me guys, I'm somewhat blindsided by the topic when I
1:10:50
got the thing a couple hours ago.
1:10:52
But at one point in time, orange County was the 34th richest economy in the world.
1:10:57
Orange County alone, 90% of which was run by companies with less than 50 employees.
1:11:04
So we are the private sector.
1:11:07
Orange County is the 34.
1:11:09
Again, these statistics go back away.
1:11:11
They may have changed, but if you're the 34th richest economy and you're
1:11:15
employing less than 50 people it should be real quick and easy to be
1:11:18
able to say, Hey, look, I can verify, 25, 40%, 50%, 75% of my workforce to
1:11:26
say, look, they've been here, they've been here for x amount of time.
1:11:29
I can verify them.
1:11:30
Let's give them a pass.
1:11:32
Let's focus on the bad.
1:11:34
Jerremy Newsome: Got it.
1:11:34
David Williams: because we don't have the resources, we don't have the
1:11:36
Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
1:11:37
David Williams: to address all 13, 14 million people that came across
1:11:41
in that short period of time.
1:11:43
So how do we use the resources we have?
1:11:45
I think AI is one of 'em.
1:11:46
I think the private sector to vouch for others is another way to do it.
1:11:50
But we have to separate, we have to separate divide and conquer.
1:11:53
Because I agree, you can't throw the baby out with the bath water.
1:11:56
We don't have the resources for it.
1:11:58
We don't have unlimited resources.
1:12:00
Steven, I'm sorry I'll argue that point till the cows come home.
1:12:03
But we do have, we have to use the best of the resources that we have.
1:12:07
And I think the private sector and AI would be the best.
1:12:10
Two things we could implement immediately.
1:12:12
And I think you're right.
1:12:13
Congress.
1:12:14
make Congress get involved.
1:12:16
Make them stand up and do
1:12:18
Jerremy Newsome: Hold 'em accountable.
1:12:19
David Williams: And,
1:12:20
Jerremy Newsome: I'll say this.
1:12:21
David Williams: get started on term limits because I guarantee
1:12:24
around doing absolutely nothing and have been for 20 plus years
1:12:27
Jerremy Newsome: Whole different conversation.
1:12:29
Yes.
1:12:29
And, but I'm a big proponent of term limits because you have it in
1:12:34
literally everything else imaginable.
1:12:37
So like every other field of all, even in military, they kick you
1:12:42
out at a certain point, right?
1:12:44
If you've been serving for they're like, bye.
1:12:46
So yes, a hundred percent.
1:12:47
Like we should have some level of adequacy there.
1:12:49
But I will blend both of your statements.
1:12:51
From my perspective, from my point of view, we have unlimited
1:12:54
nothing, but we have a, we have an infinite amount of finite resources.
1:12:59
So David what that would mean from the abundance standpoint, like the
1:13:02
amount of oil that's on earth is like the grains of sand on a beach.
1:13:07
Like it's so innumerable though.
1:13:09
It is finite.
1:13:10
'cause it's contained, it's extremely large.
1:13:13
Just like money.
1:13:14
Steven Orr: Yep.
1:13:14
Jerremy Newsome: can say that money is also finite, but there is much of it
1:13:19
that it feels and can act very infinite.
1:13:22
So ultimately that is a blend of an abundance mindset.
1:13:25
At the same time, a realization of, yeah, there's not an unlimited
1:13:28
amount of anything on earth.
1:13:29
'cause earth is a contained spherical, it's contained.
1:13:31
So there's an infinite amount of finite resources.
1:13:34
But to that statement and to that wrap up, here's, I would love to ask
1:13:38
both of you, and again, thank you for bringing us both energy excitement, two
1:13:45
counterintuitive points that have really allowed both myself and Dave to take
1:13:50
extremely adequate notes about what we can and could do relatively quickly.
1:13:54
Because again, to the point of.
1:13:55
The innovation sector for the private sector.
1:13:58
We have thousands and thousands of people listening to this podcast.
1:14:01
That's a humongous business opportunity, right?
1:14:03
Being able to create the biometrics, being able to create the ai, being able
1:14:06
to create the legal aspect that can move things along a lot faster and can
1:14:11
read through the complexities, it can start solving some of those problems.
1:14:13
That's a huge opportunity.
1:14:14
So with that being stated David, Steven, do you have anything to
1:14:19
share as a final with our listeners?
1:14:21
And do you have anything that you would like to promote or discuss or provide?
1:14:24
Have David Williams.
1:14:25
You go first.
1:14:26
David Williams: I'm frustrated from a standpoint of.
1:14:30
Having to just literally deal with the No Kings Day, walking right down the
1:14:35
street and being thrown in my face.
1:14:37
Which I found to be very hypocritical because that they're standing up for
1:14:44
migrants that Clinton, Obama we're much tougher on than what's, what,
1:14:49
than any other administration has been.
1:14:51
But you're gonna turn around and scream at Trump for, saying, Hey,
1:14:54
we gotta get under control after, the floodgates were just opened up.
1:14:57
So my frustration is in this current state of affairs, the media is propagating to
1:15:05
create this division within the country.
1:15:08
Jerremy Newsome: Oh, we can all agree on that.
1:15:09
David Williams: Seven, 75% of us are concerned about immigration.
1:15:13
What was the other statistic that you have?
1:15:15
And 55% of us are unhappy with it, I think is we're the same
1:15:20
55% that voted Trump into office saying, look, we want to change.
1:15:24
We wanna stop this.
1:15:26
It was probably the number, in my opinion, the number one issue on the ballot.
1:15:29
And I think that as long as the media the George Soros of the world
1:15:36
want to continue to pay, we had ads here in Southern California.
1:15:41
Go protest, we'll send you $3,000, literally in
1:15:45
Craigslist ads in nextdoor ads.
1:15:48
Which then fuels the propaganda.
1:15:50
That's not gonna fix anything.
1:15:52
All it's gonna do is continue to create divide.
1:15:55
That's what I saw in my neighborhood, walking down the street on No Kings Day.
1:16:01
and what was going on with the protesting in downtown la?
1:16:04
It was so contained in a small area, right around an ice
1:16:08
facility downstairs or downtown.
1:16:10
But if you looked at it across the national News, LA was on fire.
1:16:14
People are right.
1:16:15
Burning cars left and right.
1:16:17
It was within a three block, four block area.
1:16:19
It's.
1:16:20
Jerremy Newsome: Small.
1:16:20
David Williams: Yeah, it was extremely small, made to be a huge issue, which
1:16:24
then propagated the, no Kings Day, which then, you know, depending on what
1:16:29
part of the country you were in, we had probably, I don't know, 25, 30,000
1:16:34
people down on the beach in Santa Monica.
1:16:35
It went very peacefully.
1:16:36
There wasn't any kind of unrest or anything like that, and in Orange
1:16:39
County, they showed up and got ran off.
1:16:41
Depending on where you're at, it was a big deal or it wasn't a big deal.
1:16:45
But it's frustrating that somebody comes into office, voted in by, the largest,
1:16:50
popular vote in recent history with one of the best approval ratings in a 90 day, 120
1:16:57
day stretch, whatever it was that he had.
1:17:00
And then turn around and say, that we're shutting down the country.
1:17:05
No King's Day.
1:17:06
We don't want him dictating what's going on.
1:17:08
It was a very small minority of people that were really protesting in, in a loud
1:17:14
way that the media made to be a huge deal.
1:17:18
And that's what's causing the separation in this country.
1:17:20
I think there is a solution.
1:17:21
I think Stephen and I can agree that, least there's technology that
1:17:25
could help to resolve a lot of this.
1:17:28
And I think that was a brilliant idea of Stevens to put the AI in there.
1:17:32
I think the private sector can lend a huge hand towards that.
1:17:35
But I think, the media propaganda and the paid protesting and all that kind of
1:17:40
stuff is not helping our country at all.
1:17:42
It's just making us more divided.
1:17:44
Jerremy Newsome: I agree on the media piece.
1:17:46
100%. Steven.
1:17:48
Big beat, my man.
1:17:50
Do you have anything to promote, share, or anything as a final?
1:17:53
Steven Orr: I think that you talk about the media in general and you
1:17:57
say, okay, the media's split, and there's a right wing side to it, and
1:18:02
there's the left wing side to it.
1:18:04
places like this, Jerremy and Dave that you guys, that you're putting
1:18:07
out there to giving a platform for those of us who are on both sides to
1:18:11
talk about things in a more better way of explaining our positions and
1:18:17
saying, Hey, there is a middle ground.
1:18:19
Let's find that middle ground.
1:18:20
Because right now all you're seeing is news organizations that are
1:18:24
either one side or the other because they want more clicks or they want
1:18:28
Jerremy Newsome: Yep.
1:18:29
Yep.
1:18:29
Steven Orr: Instead of bringing a platform that says, bring all the ideas
1:18:34
together and let's fix the problem faster right now, that's easier said
1:18:37
than done, and I understand that.
1:18:38
And, but.
1:18:40
When we are looking at the country, the next, people say,
1:18:44
okay, let's fix the problem now.
1:18:45
You're not gonna fix immigration tomorrow.
1:18:46
It's just not gonna happen.
1:18:48
but we have to start somewhere.
1:18:50
And this is a good place to start is talking, right?
1:18:53
That's the problem.
1:18:55
We're not talking to each other.
1:18:56
We're letting some people yell and scream on TV and say, this
1:18:59
is the way it's supposed to be.
1:19:00
And then we're having another person go, oh, down a city.
1:19:03
That doesn't accomplish anything, right?
1:19:06
We need to actually have it.
1:19:07
You talk about it from the perspective of Martin Luther King, he is.
1:19:09
It's all come together.
1:19:10
I look forward to a day when it's a better day.
1:19:13
And in order to do that, we have to.
1:19:14
And yes, there's gonna be some issues and there's gonna be some problems.
1:19:17
There's gonna be some bumps in the road.
1:19:19
But we can talk about technology, we can talk about budgets.
1:19:22
We could talk about how good and bad the country is or financially
1:19:26
was, is immigration good?
1:19:28
But when it comes down to it, immigration in and of itself is
1:19:31
actually a very personal thing.
1:19:33
It's either a personal thing.
1:19:35
If you're a business owner and you go, okay, this is hurting my business.
1:19:37
I don't have enough immigrants working for me, it's a personal thing.
1:19:40
If my sisters in United States and I'm from Mexico and I can't see my family
1:19:45
because I can't be with them, it's a personal thing on so many levels.
1:19:49
That's why it's a heated discussion, right?
1:19:51
If it wasn't an issue that didn't really resonate in the hearts of every person,
1:19:55
75% according to the last polls, then we wouldn't have this issue, right?
1:19:59
It wouldn't be a dividing issue amongst us.
1:20:02
So there we have an ability as the greatest country in the world.
1:20:05
Together.
1:20:06
So let's do that.
1:20:07
Let's come together on these kind of forums and let's have this chat and
1:20:09
let's put these ideas together, put it in the AI and say help us solve this.
1:20:14
And then get the biometrics down.
1:20:15
Get the technology side of this down and solve the problem.
1:20:18
It's, that's, it's really to me, and that's that easy.
1:20:20
Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
1:20:21
Yep.
1:20:22
That easy and that, that challenging at the same time, right?
1:20:25
Yeah.
1:20:26
I love it.
1:20:26
Gentlemen, David, thank you man.
1:20:27
Thank you for your favor and your excitement and your enthusiasm and
1:20:31
your care for the world, your care for kids, your care for ending
1:20:34
human trafficking, and just your general brightness for the world.
1:20:38
And Steven, thank you as well for your kind reminder that this country was
1:20:41
built on amazing principles, principles of growth, principles of optimism,
1:20:45
principles of hope, and appreciate you both being a part of the podcast
1:20:50
today, solving America's problems.
1:20:52
You are both incredible men, and thank you for being my life.
1:20:54
David Williams: Thank you.
1:20:55
Appreciate you.
1:20:56
Jerremy Newsome: You guys are awesome.
1:20:57
Steven Orr: Jerremy.
1:20:57
Jerremy Newsome: Yep.
1:20:57
See you.
1:20:59
Yeah, we got our first fight.
1:21:01
We needed it finally.
1:21:03
Dave Conley: Loved it.
1:21:04
Jerremy Newsome: I loved it too.
1:21:05
Finally, dude, great people.
1:21:07
It was good.
1:21:09
Dave Conley: Let 'em roll.
1:21:10
Jerremy Newsome: It was good.
1:21:11
I got a lot out of that man.
1:21:12
I learned a lot from that.
1:21:14
Dave Conley: Yeah.
1:21:14
What did you learn?
1:21:15
Jerremy Newsome: I did learn then, man, California is an absolute dumpster fire.
1:21:19
I did learn that.
1:21:20
Again, relearned it.
1:21:21
Dave Conley: As a resident and a few
1:21:23
Jerremy Newsome: yeah
1:21:23
Dave Conley: a past and future
1:21:25
Jerremy Newsome: dude, yes it is.
1:21:26
It's a dumpster fire.
1:21:27
It's our biggest area of reform in this country is Californian.
1:21:30
Truly figuring that out.
1:21:32
And you mentioned the word that just boggles my mind, deficit.
1:21:36
America's in a deficit, California's in deficit.
1:21:39
This is a massive problem, but the problem with American deficit is we
1:21:41
can finance it through other countries.
1:21:43
California can't.
1:21:44
Right?
1:21:44
You can't go out and get California debt on other countries.
1:21:47
Maybe you can.
1:21:47
I don't know if they're doing that.
1:21:48
I doubt it.
1:21:48
But anyway that's one of the things that kind of just reminded me of it.
1:21:51
And ironically enough, David did make an interesting point, but at
1:21:55
the same time stipulated that like he wanted a lot of human rights
1:22:01
for immigrants, but is upset that California is giving those human rights.
1:22:06
And so that's, that's a tricky one to kind of navigate because you also do
1:22:12
want to take care of people, right?
1:22:14
You wanna provide people assistance and care and, uh, it's a burden probably
1:22:19
'cause of the amount of people and how quickly it happened and the fact that
1:22:21
California has to hold that weight, but they're still doing it because it's the.
1:22:25
Open air for, Hey, if you wanna come somewhere, come here
1:22:28
and we'll take care of you.
1:22:29
Although California has a really hard time doing that.
1:22:32
This is better than the alternative, right?
1:22:34
And the thing that I do agree with, and I think that was really kind of the
1:22:38
underlying theme of this discussion, Dave, was the discussion of, Hey,
1:22:41
let's, let's bring in technology to speed this up because that's available.
1:22:45
It is possible.
1:22:47
And I think a lot of our listeners probably feel the exact same way.
1:22:51
Technology's not being used in our government right now to speed things up.
1:22:57
Uh, it's still, uh, what was the word you used, use a great word to
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describe our governmental system.
1:23:04
Medieval.
1:23:04
Yeah.
1:23:05
It's such a fantastic adjective because I would really agree
1:23:10
Dave Conley: medieval.
1:23:10
Jerremy Newsome: ultimately it feels like we're in the 1530s in a lot of the
1:23:14
way we handle things and, I think that's really what I learned is that that's
1:23:18
probably gonna be an advent that a lot of individuals listening could find
1:23:22
solutions for, could find creations for, could find opportunities for, to really
1:23:26
start integrating that relatively quickly.
1:23:28
What'd you learn, Dave Conley?
1:23:30
Dave Conley: I think what gets a couple of things, one of them is
1:23:34
that I appreciate how the current administration is burning down the
1:23:42
bridges and setting things on fire and making this such a front and center.
1:23:51
I disagree with what they are doing.
1:23:53
I find it it's inhumane and it's weird and it's haphazard and it's expensive.
1:23:59
I mean the billions of dollars that they're pouring into this and.
1:24:05
about taxes because it's something that we interact with on a fairly basis.
1:24:11
We'll complain about the DMV because, every now and then we
1:24:14
have to go and get a license.
1:24:15
We'll complain about some aspect of the government because it touches us.
1:24:22
And I think most things are ethereal.
1:24:24
We'll talk about safety and we'll talk about foreign aid.
1:24:30
We'll talk about giant military, industrial complex.
1:24:35
But these are, I, like it's not something that we can put our
1:24:39
fingers on because it's out there.
1:24:42
is.
1:24:43
like really activated with a lot of people.
1:24:48
And I like that.
1:24:49
Even though it's negative, it's touching a lot of people.
1:24:53
And until you start touching a lot of people, then you're not
1:24:57
gonna see legislative change.
1:24:59
And we've said that over and over again, is that the legislature has just abdicated
1:25:03
everything and left it to one dude.
1:25:06
And the current dude who has his hand on the wheel is all over the map, right?
1:25:12
It's everywhere.
1:25:13
It's south African white people can come in, but let's go invade Greenland.
1:25:18
I don't know.
1:25:19
It's
1:25:19
Jerremy Newsome: Yeah.
1:25:19
Dave Conley: talk.
1:25:21
The second thing I learned was this isn't an overnight, other than let's
1:25:26
add some technology and let's drag the government into at least the 20th
1:25:30
century, if not the 21st century.
1:25:32
The longer term thing is what you come back to over and over again.
1:25:37
It's about education.
1:25:39
And I think it's until we, teach business leaders what
1:25:45
it means to, to hire and hire.
1:25:47
And if you are hiring day laborers and if you're hiring undocumented, how do you
1:25:53
get those people into the system properly?
1:25:56
How do you get them onto Pathways for success?
1:25:59
How do other companies spot people who aren't playing by the rules?
1:26:04
Because if one company is playing by the rules and another company isn't playing by
1:26:08
the rules, who's at a disadvantage there?
1:26:10
It's the one that's playing by the rules.
1:26:13
How do we teach people about the economics of this?
1:26:18
Like if we don't even understand our own food supply and how that works and
1:26:22
all of the different people who have to touch your food and where those
1:26:26
people come from, then it becomes this oh, I just go to the grocery
1:26:30
store and there's food there, and then one day it's more expensive.
1:26:33
You're gonna be like, why?
1:26:34
It's more expensive because suddenly we started making sure that people
1:26:38
weren't being held in slave labor, so I think there's a lot of education in
1:26:43
order to make this real for people.
1:26:45
I think it's okay, let's bring ESL, English is a second language.
1:26:49
Let's make sure that people are getting
1:26:51
Jerremy Newsome: Yep.
1:26:51
Dave Conley: Make sure that businesses are like on board with this.
1:26:54
Make sure our schools are like, okay, what does immigration actually mean?
1:26:58
How does it work in the United States?
1:26:59
How broken is this?
1:27:00
What's the history of
1:27:01
Jerremy Newsome: It's something that never is talked about in school.
1:27:03
That's an, this is not a discussion.
1:27:06
Dave Conley: For a nation of immigrants, we don't know anything about it.
1:27:10
Jerremy Newsome: correct.
1:27:10
It's mind blowing.
1:27:13
Mind blowing.
1:27:14
Dave Conley: I think the short term, I think we got it.
1:27:16
There's a lot of technology and we gotta find, set the thing on fire
1:27:20
because it's gonna drive change.
1:27:21
People are gonna be like, oh my God.
1:27:23
And then longer term, I think it's education and like bringing
1:27:26
everybody on board with this.
1:27:27
That's what I learned.
1:27:28
Jerremy Newsome: Fascinating.
1:27:30
I love it.
1:27:30
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