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Mark Gubicza talks Angels pitching revival, Ron Washington’s absence · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: If three guys in their lineup now with seventeen or
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  Speaker 1: more home runs, and they got Trout and Netto with twelve.
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  Speaker 1: So they got some guys with pop. I just don't
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  Speaker 1: think they're going to be a seller. I think they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna try maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Add Hey, we've got former Big League pitcher and current
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  Speaker 2: Angels broadcaster, longtime Angels broadcaster Mark Ubaza joining us on
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  Speaker 2: FT for the first time. Friend of mine, Gooby.
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  Speaker 3: Great to have you on.
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  Speaker 2: Man, How you doing, Todd and Jason?
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  Speaker 3: What's going on, fellas? How are we doing? We're laughing, Man,
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  Speaker 3: you're laughing long time? No see, man, what's going down?
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  Speaker 1: I know we were hanging out at Yankee Stadium this
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  Speaker 1: a few days ago.
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  Speaker 3: It's eemed to be.
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  Speaker 4: I was telling these guys. I said, listen, this is
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  Speaker 4: the best dressed guy I've ever seen come into a stadium.
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  Speaker 4: He's better. He dresses better than all the ballplayers. Mane
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  Speaker 4: how many how many top coach do you have? Like
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  Speaker 4: do you think sitting in your closet?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: You know what, don I'll be honest, it's probably about
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  Speaker 1: fifteen to sixteen of them.
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  Speaker 3: I think this variety of different colors. You know what,
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  Speaker 3: you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: It's a beautiful nice goovie Blazers, right, goould be blazers.
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  Speaker 4: That's could be a thing.
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  Speaker 3: All right, they're sharp. Oh that'd be sick. That'd be sick.
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  Speaker 4: I want to I want to talk about this Angels team.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: You know, from the series with the Yankees, we talk
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  Speaker 4: about the bullpen, how they're struggling. All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 4: this bullpen came in to Yankees Stadium and absolutely just
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  Speaker 4: did what they had to do. Talk of it about
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  Speaker 4: where this bullpen is. Now, they're a game out of
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  Speaker 4: the wild Card. This Steph has been unbelievable as of
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  Speaker 4: now for some reason.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, tell I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean when you look at it, the first month and
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  Speaker 1: a half three Arra was almost eight.
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  Speaker 3: It was like seven point nine, you know, and they
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  Speaker 3: were struggling.
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  Speaker 1: Kenley Chance, I think has a big influence on these
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  Speaker 1: guys because he basically tells them all, you're ready every day.
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  Speaker 1: Because he's ready every day and even though he's got
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  Speaker 1: four hundred and sixty two career stage, he's got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of mileage on his arm. You know, these guys
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  Speaker 1: are prepared to pitch every day from you know, Zephyr John.
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  Speaker 3: But the big guy for me though, is Redebtmor's been unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Brock Berg, you know, guys like that have been great,
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  Speaker 1: and you know it brogged in and and Norris has
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  Speaker 1: been great cleaning up. He's been unreal coming in with
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  Speaker 1: guys on base. But Reed Debtner's right now. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he threw a no hitter in his career, yet immaculate
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  Speaker 1: ending in his career as a starter. Initially struggled in
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  Speaker 1: the bullpen, but now he's ninety seven ninety eight with
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  Speaker 1: his fastball and his slider's back to being unbelievably unhittable curveball.
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  Speaker 1: So there's so many varieties that they can go down
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  Speaker 1: there to the bullpen. And you know, Robert Stevenson came back,
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  Speaker 1: threw the ball great, got a little injured again, but
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  Speaker 1: he should be back pretty soon. So it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: even deeper bullpen. And and we know in this game now,
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  Speaker 1: if you don't have a deep bullpen, you're.
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  Speaker 3: Not winning, that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's there's stuff. They've got stuff in this bullpen,
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  Speaker 2: more than they've probably had in a minute. I watch
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  Speaker 2: a lot of Angels games, obviously, listen to listen to goofy.
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  Speaker 2: So my question, I want to double down on debt
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  Speaker 2: Mers because this is a unique career path. He's had
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  Speaker 2: a ups and down's former first round pick. You can
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  Speaker 2: probably pinpoint this better than there was an outing where
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  Speaker 2: he gave up the game. I think it was his
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  Speaker 2: first back to back ever in his pro career. How
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  Speaker 2: much has he changed from then to now as a
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  Speaker 2: former pitcher, and how he had to figure out how
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  Speaker 2: to recover like that, You know he was doing all
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  Speaker 2: this on the fly right.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's a great question.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember talking to him after that was like
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  Speaker 1: two games in a row which came in in tie
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  Speaker 1: games and didn't do well. I mean that would be
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  Speaker 1: put in mildly and I saw it on his face
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  Speaker 1: and said, how you doing that?
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  Speaker 3: And he goes, I'm doing good, and I was like, wow, that's.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty good to see because ever relievers like you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're on the PGA Tour, if you miss a putt,
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  Speaker 1: you better go right backup back out there and make
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  Speaker 1: the next putt. Or if you're in the NFL and
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  Speaker 1: you're a kicker, you miss a field goal, you have
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  Speaker 1: no time to worry about things. You got to go
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  Speaker 1: back and kick that field goal again. I think what
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  Speaker 1: the bullpen has done to him because as a starter,
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  Speaker 1: we always knew hisself was great, but he did it
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  Speaker 1: too much thinking. And I know that doesn't sound right,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all you're thinking too much out there. But
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  Speaker 1: out of the bullpen, now he literally gets the call
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  Speaker 1: and he's ready to throw as hard as he can
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  Speaker 1: and doesn't worry about who's in the batter's box. It
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  Speaker 1: could be anybody in the batter's box, and he feels
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  Speaker 1: he can get him out. So I think in the
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  Speaker 1: end it's going to help him when he gets I
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  Speaker 1: think he won't. He'll be in this role, I think
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  Speaker 1: the whole season. If you know, it's shocking as that sounds,
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  Speaker 1: because I think he's going to be a dominant starter.
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  Speaker 1: I think this role this year is going to be
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  Speaker 1: perfect for him for when we go into the future,
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  Speaker 1: I think he'll be back in the rotation. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's going to help him have that mentality of you
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  Speaker 1: can't go out there and just kind of coosh your
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  Speaker 1: way through the first inning or so of a game.
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  Speaker 1: It could cost you the ballgame. You got to be
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  Speaker 1: in attack mode right away. And I think the bullpen
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  Speaker 1: U shoots for him, is going to help him in
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  Speaker 1: the future as a starter.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So I want to get to the core here Netto.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's go to Zach Netto. First off, is he okay?
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  Speaker 2: And then I also wanted to ask you about the
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  Speaker 2: little back and forth that he had with Hunter Brown
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  Speaker 2: the other day to try and be a neutral observer.
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  Speaker 3: Where do you.
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  Speaker 2: Stand there as a guy who calls Angels games, but
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  Speaker 2: you're a former pitcher and Hunter Brown's like, dude, get
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  Speaker 2: out of the way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. I love Zach Nede. I love the
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  Speaker 3: way he plays, the energy he plays. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, you know, the MRI showed no structural damage.
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  Speaker 1: I won't be surprised to see him in there, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's tonight or tomorrow, certainly in the next couple of
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  Speaker 1: days back in there. He's so valuable to his team. Defensively,
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  Speaker 1: he's one of the best shortstops in the game and offensively.
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  Speaker 1: Now going to the subject of Hunter Brown. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: he's one of my all time favorite pitches already when
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  Speaker 1: he has about two days of the big leagues.
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  Speaker 3: I love the way he goes out and competes. Between
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  Speaker 3: him and Scooble.
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  Speaker 1: Remember Scooble and Netto had a little thing too also
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  Speaker 1: where nettrow at a home run off and then then
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  Speaker 1: Scooble got him out and they kind of exchange some words.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I hate to take that away from either
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  Speaker 3: the pitcher or the hitter.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know, he's right on top of the
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  Speaker 1: plate and to get him out, you're gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: pitch him inside. He's gonna get hit with a pitch.
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  Speaker 1: But I think because of that one got him right
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  Speaker 1: in the hand. It's the second time Hunter Brown has
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  Speaker 1: hit him already in both their young careers that he
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  Speaker 1: felt that he wasn't real happy about it.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I'm always I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Always for a pitcher, and I know I'm talking with
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  Speaker 1: a couple of hitters here they probably hate me too, But.
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  Speaker 3: I like a guy that pitches inside effectively.
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  Speaker 1: And Hunter Brown since he went to that sinker, he's
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  Speaker 1: been one of the best pitchers in the game. And
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  Speaker 1: when you throw a sinker, if you drop your wrist
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  Speaker 1: at all, you're gonna run that ball in. On right
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  Speaker 1: handed batters, it's a chance you're going to hit him.
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  Speaker 1: When you're on top of the plate, you got to
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  Speaker 1: expect that pitchers are gonna try to run it in
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  Speaker 1: on you.
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  Speaker 3: I think he'll learn from that eventually.
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  Speaker 1: But it was fun watching those two guys go at
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  Speaker 1: it because, hey, Christian Moore, who just came up the
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  Speaker 1: big leagues, he was out there helping his teammate out immediately.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what I'm seeing from this team right now.
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  Speaker 1: They're kind of taking the personality of Ron washingt Du
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  Speaker 1: although he's not with the team right now, but he
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  Speaker 1: has that mentality of we're fighting every single day and
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  Speaker 1: even when they've been behind in games, they immediately come back,
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  Speaker 1: which is good to see. Last year and the year
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  Speaker 1: before that that wasn't the case.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. No, it sounds like they're battling.
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  Speaker 6: It sounds like they're gonna keep competing, and you guys
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  Speaker 6: are building something there. I mean, you guys took three
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  Speaker 6: or four at Yankee Stadium. You swept the Dodgers last
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  Speaker 6: month at their place, Like it's starting to be there.
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  Speaker 6: But you're getting on that time of the year where
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  Speaker 6: even though you're building something and you're about what you're
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  Speaker 6: two out of Otani, here come the trade talks. How
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  Speaker 6: reluctant are they the trade pieces? How reluctant are they
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  Speaker 6: to kind of not want to move anything because they're
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  Speaker 6: starting to build something or who can you see if
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  Speaker 6: they are going to be because they're only a game out.
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  Speaker 6: I think of the wildcard. Are they going to be
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  Speaker 6: are they going to be trying to hold tighter? Are
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  Speaker 6: they gonna be moving some pieces?
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  Speaker 1: Great question. Jason, by the way, been a big fan
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  Speaker 1: of your career too, Man. I always look the way
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  Speaker 1: you played. They they were rumored to be getting you
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  Speaker 1: in a trade a few years ago when you were
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  Speaker 1: still playing with Cleveland Levi.
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  Speaker 3: I heard those rumors like get him, get him because
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  Speaker 3: a great Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, it's it's interesting because if you
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  Speaker 1: look at what's coming up in the month of July.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they go on this next road trip. They
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  Speaker 1: go to Atlanta, they go to Toronto, they come home,
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  Speaker 1: they play Texas, they play Arizona, open up the second
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  Speaker 1: half in Philly against the Mets, and they come home
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  Speaker 1: again against the Rangers. So it's a difficult month of July.
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  Speaker 1: They got Seattle in there too. Yeah, they played well.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned the teams they played well against. They went
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  Speaker 1: to Docter Stadiums, swept and they almost you know, he
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  Speaker 1: went three or four in Yankee Stadium. So I think
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  Speaker 1: right now is man It is a great question because
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  Speaker 1: I think there's some really good young players and there's
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  Speaker 1: some veterans in there that certainly teams are gonna be
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  Speaker 1: acquiring the Angels about. But I think if they stay
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  Speaker 1: the course and continue to play like this against this
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  Speaker 1: really tough competition, Like I said, this month of July
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  Speaker 1: is going to be extremely difficult. If they can find
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  Speaker 1: their way still within a game where two of the wildcers.
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  Speaker 1: It has been so long, they haven't been the postseason
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  Speaker 1: since fourteen, be hard to believe and to be able
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  Speaker 1: to sell the fan base that finally they're behind these
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  Speaker 1: young cores. If you get Mike Trout going, he's starting
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  Speaker 1: to show some signs he's working walk so he's seen
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  Speaker 1: the ball better, which is good. They've been hitting the
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  Speaker 1: ball really well on the road. They've p had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of road games coming up. Taylor Ward has a
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  Speaker 1: nineteen home runs fourteen home on the road. They have
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  Speaker 1: three guys in their lineup now with seventeen or more
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  Speaker 1: home runs, and they got Trout and Netto with twelve,
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  Speaker 1: so they got some guys with pop. I just don't
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  Speaker 1: think they're gonna be a seller. I think they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: try maybe add but if they get Monkkata back for
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  Speaker 1: defense and some solid bat's working counts, which they don't
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  Speaker 1: really have a lot of guys at workouts. They're really
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  Speaker 1: aggressive and a Solearra is on his way back. So
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  Speaker 1: maybe with those guys coming back better balancing lineup, you
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  Speaker 1: might see them try to add on rather than sell.
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  Speaker 4: The Angels have been the only team to have the
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  Speaker 4: same starting five pitchers pitch for this season. I find
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  Speaker 4: that absolutely incredible attest to, you know, how they build
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  Speaker 4: their players and how they give them opportunities and the
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  Speaker 4: health as well. I want to talk about two guys.
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  Speaker 3: You got a guy like Jose.
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  Speaker 4: Soriano, who you know, and Kyle Hendricks, two basically polar
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  Speaker 4: opposite guys. Soriano the heavy fastball guy throws harder, and
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  Speaker 4: you got a guy like Kyle Hendricks who comes in
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  Speaker 4: doesn't reach eighty nine miles an hour ever, and he
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  Speaker 4: carved up the Yankees last time they face. Talk a
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  Speaker 4: little bit about those starting pitchers and how they're coming
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  Speaker 4: into their own and how they've been doing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, teit. I mean.
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  Speaker 1: The good thing is Soriano is always next to Kyle Hendrix,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is a great decision because he gets
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  Speaker 1: people out. You mentioned with eighty six mile hour fastballs
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  Speaker 1: break down the harder to plate. I'm thinking whenever I
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  Speaker 1: do that, I'm either asking for a new baseball or
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  Speaker 1: I'm backing up a base Yeah, he's getting these guys
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  Speaker 1: swinging and missing. That's what you're seeing from Soriano because
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  Speaker 1: he's not overthrowing his fastball yet it's ninety nine to
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  Speaker 1: one hundred with movement down. Early in the season, he
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  Speaker 1: was overthrown, was flat going to the barrel of the bat.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, you guys know, anything towards a barrel
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  Speaker 1: of bat with that kind of loss you make contact,
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  Speaker 1: it's got a chance of being hitting hard. So his stelf,
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  Speaker 1: his knuckle curve, and a slider right now or absolute
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  Speaker 1: whiteout pitches to go along with that power sinker. But
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  Speaker 1: he's watching Kyle Henderskoe how he sets up hitters with
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  Speaker 1: his change up and he gets him look all speed
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  Speaker 1: and then he gets a fastball by him. So now
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  Speaker 1: hitters can't sit all the time on Soriano's sinker. They
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  Speaker 1: got to be aware of that knuckle curve. They gotta
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  Speaker 1: be aware of that slider. He even has a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good splitter that he doesn't use a lot, but the
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  Speaker 1: hitters have to be aware of that, and that's what's
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  Speaker 1: making his fastball better. And when you think about the
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  Speaker 1: five starters, I mean, it's pretty amazing. I watched their
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  Speaker 1: routines and I got a chance to put on a
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  Speaker 1: uniform in spring training to kind of talk with the
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  Speaker 1: pictures what I went through and how I learn from
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  Speaker 1: different people from Nolan Ryan about the importance of running
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  Speaker 1: long distance and sprint work and leg work and you
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  Speaker 1: long toss and things like that, and these guys are
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  Speaker 1: kind of figuring out the legs in the core are
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  Speaker 1: so important to keeping the rest of your body healthy
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  Speaker 1: for a pitcher, especially because the guys throw as hard
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  Speaker 1: as they can every pitch. But as long as you
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  Speaker 1: have your legs and your core strong, it gives you
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  Speaker 1: a chance to keep that elbow and shoulder intact. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what we're seeing so far from the starting staff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I wanted to double down on. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: pitching injuries are insane in our sport at this point,
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  Speaker 2: So do you think there's anything that other organizations can
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  Speaker 2: take from the philosophical approach of the Angels and Hey,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be real here. Angels have been a
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  Speaker 2: disappointing team for a while. They haven't been the best
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  Speaker 2: team at developing pitchers. But to point to the durability
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  Speaker 2: factor is impressive. And I know many teams, Gooby are
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  Speaker 2: going to look at a picture and go, well, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to maximize the hell out of them, and if
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  Speaker 2: it gets hurt, oh well we'll move on to the
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  Speaker 2: next guy. But you know, we're as a show really
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  Speaker 2: trying to talk through how we can get more of
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  Speaker 2: the Marquee matchup starters going deep into outings. And this
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  Speaker 2: is a perfect week to ask about it because we
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  Speaker 2: have schemes matching up against MISERASKI and it takes over
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  Speaker 2: the sport for a day and we are missing that.
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  Speaker 2: We need more of that, and the way to do
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  Speaker 2: it is to actually have healthy starters should go deep
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  Speaker 2: into outings.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're exactly right on this guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this team has not developed pitchers, and I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna say otherwise that's true.
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  Speaker 3: I mean they haven't.
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  Speaker 1: They've developed position players over the years, but just watching
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  Speaker 1: what they've done, you know, with Perry manasking what he's
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  Speaker 1: done with as far as their core for as far
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  Speaker 1: as their pitching staff. Even in the minor leagues, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of guys that throw hard, but a lot of guys.
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  Speaker 3: They feel that will take the baseball.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: That's part of their mentality is taking the baseball every
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: five days as far as the starting pitching. And the
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: more you have that mindset, the more I think you're
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: going to learn how to pitch. And it's the philosophy
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: is it's okay to get it out on one or
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: two pitches. I mean, we see so often, we have
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: so many pitchers and their stuff is amazing from the
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: velocity to spin that it's difficult sometimes not to throw
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: four or five pitches every single batter because there's a
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: lot of swinging misses. So the philosophy is going out
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: and attack and when you get a chance, when you
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: get two strikes, go for that punch out. Or if
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: there's a guy in scoring position, a third base less
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: than two outs, yes, go for the punch out. But
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: I think the philosophy now is it's okay to get
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: a quick out. It's that's why you have defenders out
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: there behind you. And that's what the thing I've always been,
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of always scratching my head. We have
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: so many great athletes in the game right now, especially defensively,
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: why aren't pitchers and organizations utilizing that. If they're gonna
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: make the plays and you can throw one or two pitches,
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: you save your best stuff when you need it. That's
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: what the mindset is. That's how you're gonna keep pitchers
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: healthy because I want I want the very best guys
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: going out there. The Scooble going against Skiing say that
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: happens sometimes as a fan I'm watching it. Yeah, we
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: all love offense. We love the you know, the power,
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: we love the home run, we love the defensive plays.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: But when you have two guys, it's like going to
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: the OK Corral. It's like you know, Doc Holliday going
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: against you know, Johnny Ringo. We want guys going at
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: it there on the pitching side, and I think if
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: you can keep them on the field, fans will love
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: that just as much as a home run ball.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a marketing play. I mean, we want to
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: be able to follow names, names that we know and
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: names that are shining, and that's easiest to do with
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: starting pitching ledgers. Okay, on the development side of things,
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: do you guys joke like we do about how you'll
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: have to watch the draft this year and see who
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: they pick in the first round because he'll probably be
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: up in August. I mean, they do it so much
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: more aggressively than anyone else. So as someone that's around
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: the team every day, do you guys joke about it?
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: And also how is it playing out in your mind?
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Because we've seen a lot of these guys now come
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: up and many of them have fared well. It's impossible
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: for us to know if, like, oh, they would have
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: done better if they had another year of seasoning, because
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: we will never have the other case study against, you know,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: someone like Shanawell not spending any time really in the
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: minor leagues, among many others. And now I bring it
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: up because Christian Moore looks pretty good to start.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, again something to everyone.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Everywhere I go they ask the same question about that
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: and the philosophy. Now for the Angels, they like because
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: of the coaching staff that have up here at the
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: big league level, they feel they can develop the players
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: up at the major league level. Now, I mean the
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: expectations come in the season. Yeah, you want to be
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: competitive and have a chance to get to the postseason.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: But now you're seeing guys like you know you mentioned
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: Christian More. He ties a game in a thing with
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: home run and wins it on a walk off in
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: a tenth home run, the left home run the right center.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: What that tells you He's letting that baseball travel pretty well,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: and he has a pretty good idea. They feel really
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: good about developing their players at the major league level.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of old school guys, Believe me.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I have arguments with them all the time. Oh, you
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: need two thousand and bats or fifteen hundred bats in
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: the minor leagues to figure things out. Yes, there's ups
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: and downs. I was lucky enough to make it up
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: the big leagues as a twenty one year old, and
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I pitched in rookie ball and a ball and then
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: double A and a ball. I really didn't pitch. I
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: was hurt, so I only had double A and I
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: skipped triple A. Yeah, there's ups and downs. There's doubts
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: in your mind. But if you have the right people
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: around you to say, listen, if you're in the big leagues,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: you're talented. Now it's the mining thing. You guys know that.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Todd and you know and kIPS. You know, these guys
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: are gonna have ups and downs. It's how you bounce back.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: And you worry about is there a chance that they
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: don't respond back and get bounced back if they do struggle, Yeah,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: you worry about that. But I think these guys have proven,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: from the Nettos to SHAWNA Wells and and you know
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Hoppies and even Joe Adell. When you think about it,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: who's that hit ten home runs in this month of
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: June alone? There was a lot of ups and downs
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: with Joe. He's seeing the ball well now and he's
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: hitting the ball. There's gonna be Like I said, there's
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: some you know, development issues there. And as far as
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the draft, I don't have no idea who they're gonna draft.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: I think it might be a picture. They've been going
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: picture heavy, but they really could use a bat, especially
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: for me in the outfield developing. If that's a possibility,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: that might happen for the Angels, but it wouldn't surprise.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Me at all.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: We always joke around again, Oh he's drafted tomorrow, I
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: hope be here the next day and chess the next day.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: You were up at twenty one.
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: I could tell you, I was not physically mature enough
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: at twenty one years old, and I know I for
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: a fact, I was not mentally mature enough either at
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: twenty one years old.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: So that's impressive to be up at that time.
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: We're talking about the starting rotation health, but we're going
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: to go to the flip side, kind of on the
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: unfortunate side of the unhealthy side. Is there an update
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: on Ron Washington and how has this team been rallying
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: around kind of not having them, especially what you mentioned it,
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: there's a tough schedule coming up where sometimes teams really
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: need to rely on their manager to get them through that.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: And the personality alone is a great personality to have
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: a round. So what's the update on that end?
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jays, that's you know, we've been waiting here more
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: and more each day. You know, he's been around as
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: much as possible. We saw him in New York when
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: we're going home. He didn't look real healthy, he wasn't
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: feeling real good, but he was at the ballpark.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: We're like, wosh, you're you're still here. I get a
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: job to do.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: That's that's the thing he instills on his players, and
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: he doesn't allow young war veteran players to come in
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: and go, hey, I'm not doing really right away, He's
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: jumping right down and they're girl saying, we need you
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: to be able to go out there before every single
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: day you put on that uniform. So it is difficult
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: not having him on the bench. His presence has been around.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: We don't really know. I think we're gonna know something
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: by today or tomorrow how long he may be out.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Hopefully it won't be long, because I mean, I love
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: my conversations with him every day. If you ask him
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: one question, you got about an hour talk about anything
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: to do with baseball, from the modern player to the
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: player he played against, the guys played before him. He's
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: a wealth of baseball information and his fight is what
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: everyone loves about him. That's why we're all praying for
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: him and pulling for him during this fight he's in
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: right now that we know that he's going to be
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: able to fight through this and be part of this
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and hopefully something magical happens towards the end of the year.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: If they can get through this month of July coming up,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: you know, then maybe this team has something special going
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: on because of Watch.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're obviously thinking about Wash it's been on the show.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: We all know him, covering him for a long time.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Goofy last one for you. So the Angels just swept
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: the Red Sox. I watched a decent amount of that series.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: What did you see on the other side there with Boston?
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: And you know how they've I now think lost five
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: in a row. You've got like Roman Anthony who is
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: supposed to be amazing but getting everything on his shoulders
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: to hit third. Devers is gone. So you know, how
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: do you sum up the way you looked at that
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: team over the last few days. And of course we
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: can get your take on on the Devers trade. For me,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I'm curious more on you know, it's forget just the drama.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: They're supposed to be competing this year. They traded away
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: a top ten bat in the sport. And you've probably
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: met Devers. He's like quiet, he's he's not he's not
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Manny Ramirez shown up late, you know, pain in the butt.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the thing is with Devers. I mean,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I know, just talking with the pictures, I know, whenever
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: we went to a team, when we're facing them, who
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: do you who do you avoid in those big moments?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Deavors every time. You know, when you don't see his
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: presence in a lineup, it doesn't matter who else is
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: in there. You feel like as a pitcher, you're confident
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: that you can navigate your way. I mean, Durand's a
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: really good player. I love the way he plays the
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a lot of speed, he plays
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: good defense in the outfield, He's got some pretty good
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: poweries at triples machine, and they have some young players.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: They're very similar when you think about some of their
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: young players that are supposed to be able to carry
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: a team like the Angels are right now. But the
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Angels now would Trout back in there. They have Mike Trout,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: and they have a tail Awards, you have a veteran round.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: It's tough for these young guys to look at someone
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: to allow them to relax it to play. They're trying
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: to do too much. You can see if there are swings,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: they're trying to do too much, and I think that's
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: what's hurting their offense. I know they had to make
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: a decision with Devers. I know things were going awry
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: there as far as how things were working out with
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the team. But when you have a guy like Crochet.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I watched him pitch the other day, I mean against
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the Angel They're like, wow, this guy's I'm real. So
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: you have a potential of waist and arm like that.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Their bullpen's been used a lot and they got some
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: good arms down there. But when you don't have your
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: anchor of your offense endeavors in there, they're a completely
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: different team. Even when we saw them up at Fenway
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Park a few weeks ago in Boston, he was there
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: and that's the first you could see a picture's action.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Believe me, When I was facing guys, you know, and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you go, oh, there's the Albert
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Bell waiting on deck. I'm like, man, can Albert Bell
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: just move on to go somewhere else because that's the
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: one guy, and then you forget about the other hitters
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: in the lineup. Then you start making mistakes. So Dev's
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: not being there is a huge hole for the Red Sox.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: That be honest with you, I don't know if we're
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: able to overcome that right now, because that's the one
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: bat you need if you're a Red Sox fan.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: No way they're replacing that mid season, And if they
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: were trying to compete. I'm like, dude, this in the offseason,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: you can actually sign a different player with that money.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: So I'm with you. I'm watching them the last few
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: nights and I'm just like, this team is they've lost
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: their impact batt and it like if it affects the
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: rest of the lineup. Gooby, this was awesome, man, Really
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. Great to see you here. Thanks for joining us.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: And you know we're on for the Angels TV crowd
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: out there every day too, so I know they appreciate
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: it as well.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Good to see you. You guys are awesome, man. It
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: was also being on there with you guys. You guys rock.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Grooves