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Guest Host: Erica Hornthal interviews Dr. Kathlyn Hendricks. Moving From Fear to Safety · The Trauma Therapist

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the special guest host series of the Trauma
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  Speaker 1: Therapist Podcast, where I'm going to be handing over the
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  Speaker 1: mic to some incredible guest hosts. In each episode, you'll
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  Speaker 1: hear fresh perspectives and unique insights to inform and inspire
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  Speaker 1: you in all the while keeping the heart of this
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  Speaker 1: podcast alive. So sit back and enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, everybody. My name is Erica Horenthal. I'm a dance
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  Speaker 2: movement therapist, author, and entrepreneur out of Chicago, Illinois. I've
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  Speaker 2: had the pleasure of being on the Trauma Therapy podcast
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  Speaker 2: before with Guy, and now we have the pleasure of
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  Speaker 2: bringing one of not only my inspirational guides, but someone
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  Speaker 2: that I look up to, someone that I've been able
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  Speaker 2: to become very friendly with, doctor Cathlin Hendrix. I'm so
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  Speaker 2: happy to have you for this conversation today. Doctor Kendricks
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  Speaker 2: is an author of many important books to check them out,
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  Speaker 2: a successful entrepreneur, and, as we were talking, an evolutionary catalyst.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, thank you so much for being here.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's my pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm really excited to just have this beautiful conversation
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  Speaker 2: with you today. Maybe you can I would love to hear.
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  Speaker 2: Just what's what's been pertinent for you in this modern
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  Speaker 2: day and age. You know, we were just talking about this.
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  Speaker 2: We've been going through a lot as a society in
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  Speaker 2: our country. Even people I think that don't identify as
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  Speaker 2: having trauma can some way shape or form identify with
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  Speaker 2: trauma today.
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  Speaker 3: Because they didn't have trauma, they have it now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, we don't don't have to get
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  Speaker 2: into the into the specifics of why, but what is
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  Speaker 2: coming up for you in terms of what the world
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  Speaker 2: needs now because I think we can look anywhere and
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  Speaker 2: see trauma and I know that this is something that
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  Speaker 2: you and your husband work a lot in what's coming
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  Speaker 2: up for you?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I've been interested in the roots of what we
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  Speaker 3: now call trauma, UH for decades and the for me,
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  Speaker 3: I think trauma comes from a couple of a combination
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  Speaker 3: of things where I I don't feel safe in my
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  Speaker 3: environment so that the feedback that I'm getting doesn't match
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  Speaker 3: my inner experience, and then there's this disconnect of uh,
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  Speaker 3: what behavior is expected, and then that doesn't get met
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  Speaker 3: with a with a coherent response. The shock of the
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  Speaker 3: way that we have done things for you know, to
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  Speaker 3: really provide safety for everybody, and you know, in a
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  Speaker 3: sense of being able to come home to yourself. All
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  Speaker 3: of that consistency has disappeared. And for me, one of
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  Speaker 3: the roots of it is that we don't have a
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  Speaker 3: shared reality. Uh, that the you know, what some person
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  Speaker 3: says is true, another person has starting with alternate facts,
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  Speaker 3: you know. Eight years ago, that's where I saw things
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  Speaker 3: really start to go sideways.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: The sense of respect and connection, I think has disappeared
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  Speaker 3: for a lot of people, and the sense of I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to be able to share myself openly. And
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people experience that in a
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  Speaker 3: way that's confusing to them because they don't they don't
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  Speaker 3: know why they feel so discombobulated. And you know, and
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  Speaker 3: my sense is that the structures that we operated in
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  Speaker 3: as a society, you know, certainly, you know, because I
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  Speaker 3: came of age in the sixties and we made a
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  Speaker 3: lot of big changes to society, and all of those
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  Speaker 3: have disappeared now and so having it's almost like having
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  Speaker 3: the the road crumble or you're starting off down the
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  Speaker 3: road infrastructure right, and then suddenly it goes often in
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  Speaker 3: the direction. But my sense is that that most people
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  Speaker 3: are in a level of fear that's become so ingrained
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  Speaker 3: that people don't realize that they're walking around in a
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  Speaker 3: in a cringe, or in a freeze, or in a faint,
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  Speaker 3: or in a you know, or in a fight back,
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  Speaker 3: you know, And the expressions of fear, I think. You
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  Speaker 3: just look around anywhere and you'll see that people are
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  Speaker 3: in fear, but they don't know they're in fear, right,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And when I'm in fear or you're in fear,
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  Speaker 3: one I can't think. So we go to a different
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  Speaker 3: part of our brain and we're not able to relate
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  Speaker 3: or connect. But the other thing is that other people
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  Speaker 3: occur as the enemy. So from fear, I go into
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  Speaker 3: my reptilian brain and other people are the enemy. And
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  Speaker 3: so I think that's a lot. And so somebody you
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  Speaker 3: can say something that somebody barks at you, and you
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  Speaker 3: know it doesn't you know, the sort of the guidelines,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when I was growing up, they were they
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  Speaker 3: were pretty rigid, like you know, you say, you know, yes, ma'am, yes, sir,
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  Speaker 3: thank you. Those kinds of things have pretty much disappeared,
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  Speaker 3: and it gave us a kind of you know, this
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  Speaker 3: is how we operate, and you know, and it had
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  Speaker 3: its own problems for sure. Sure, but you know, but
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  Speaker 3: my sense is that generally because people don't don't feel safe,
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  Speaker 3: they're they're taking that is, there must be something wrong
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  Speaker 3: with me, And so there are a whole bunch of
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  Speaker 3: people have contracted and are not really available for the
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  Speaker 3: connection that would give them, you know, a sense of
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  Speaker 3: oh you know of that, Oh I'm safe, I can
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  Speaker 3: connect with people. It's okay for me to be here.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think that's one of the basic needs
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  Speaker 3: for people, is is there a place where I can
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  Speaker 3: be myself? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. You always talk about aliveness too,
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  Speaker 2: so that makes me think of that. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: like we're stepping away from our aliveness. I definitely I
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  Speaker 2: want to ask you how how we establish or how
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  Speaker 2: you with your with the people that you work with,
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  Speaker 2: or how we can start to establish that safety. I
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  Speaker 2: know that's a big question, but maybe before that, how
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  Speaker 2: do you see this showing up in the body? Right? You?
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  Speaker 2: You know, have this huge background in somatics and trauma.
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  Speaker 2: You know a lot of people are talking about that now.
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  Speaker 2: We know it's not a new conversation, but in the
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  Speaker 2: work that you've done in the years that you've been
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  Speaker 2: doing it, and even just today you started to talk
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about how the fear shows up. What
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  Speaker 2: are some of these markers that we see in the bodies?
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  Speaker 2: You know, how do we know when I know we
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  Speaker 2: can't assume it all the time, but how how might
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  Speaker 2: we know that we're experiencing fear or how might we
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  Speaker 2: see it in someone else? And just a body perspective,
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  Speaker 2: can you shed light on that?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, well, a couple of things that I see are
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  Speaker 3: that that people are have made themselves smaller just generally,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like either collapsing or you can make yourself bigger.
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  Speaker 3: But it you know, when people go into fight, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they kind of go into more of a gorilla posture
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  Speaker 3: nor expanding. But it's rigid in the sense that there's
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  Speaker 3: not an availability to receive. And I think that a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people are fleeing up into their heads and
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  Speaker 3: thinking about things and trying to analyze and you know,
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  Speaker 3: but there's kind of frantic adrenalize.
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  Speaker 2: Social media doesn't help because we're like thinking about it
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  Speaker 2: all the time, seeing all the time.
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  Speaker 3: And it's you know, touching you all the time, and
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  Speaker 3: that kind of distraction. Uh and and My sense is that,
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  Speaker 3: uh if I one of the things that happens for
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  Speaker 3: people in their bodies, I think, is it kind of
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  Speaker 3: an either or you know, I either I either have
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  Speaker 3: to just go along with or I have to separate totally,
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  Speaker 3: or I have to be right or I'm just not
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  Speaker 3: going to pay any attention to you. And that kind
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  Speaker 3: of of lack of choice. And the other thing I
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  Speaker 3: I if people will notice, am I able to choose
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  Speaker 3: where and how I'm using my attention? And I would?
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  Speaker 3: I think that's probably the number one thing that people
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  Speaker 3: could look at, is am I do I get you
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  Speaker 3: know from the old movie up, Do I get Squirrel?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 3: All the time with social.
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  Speaker 2: Media or such a good example, you know, the next
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  Speaker 2: bad thing that I was like.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god? Or am I able
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  Speaker 3: to actually uh receive the connection that attention gives us?
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  Speaker 3: And one of the basic needs of humans is to
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  Speaker 3: give and receive attention. And if you're you're feeling like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm missing people, I don't have anybody to
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  Speaker 3: talk to. And how I think that will show up
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  Speaker 3: in the body is a sense of yearning or longing.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not just fear, I think for a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people. It's ah, you know, where are where are
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  Speaker 3: my people? Where are my friends? Who do I have
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  Speaker 3: to talk to? So the the the sense of also
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  Speaker 3: am I am I able to ask for what I want?
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  Speaker 3: People are editing? So if you find yourself editing, is
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  Speaker 3: it you know? Can I ask here? I shouldn't even ask,
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  Speaker 3: or or it's not even possible. So if you feel
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  Speaker 3: a sense of resignation, so for me, that would be
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  Speaker 3: part of the collapse. So if I go into adrenaline,
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  Speaker 3: I'm much more likely to go into the fight, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm to feel it up around my shoulders and jaw.
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  Speaker 3: But if I'm more longing for connection, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: feel it more here, like a heaviness in my chest,
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  Speaker 3: more of a kind of sadness. But if I'm really
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  Speaker 3: more caught in fear, I might have a lot more butterflies,
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  Speaker 3: you know, or startle like you know. One of the
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  Speaker 3: things that I noticed was that I got startled much
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  Speaker 3: more quickly that I thought, Oh, I'm more at the
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  Speaker 3: effect of what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think heightened responses that don't seem to
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  Speaker 3: make sense to you, I think those are things to
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  Speaker 3: look for that you've gotten you know what we now
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  Speaker 3: call disregulated.
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  Speaker 2: Which, yes, yes, that I used to. I used to
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  Speaker 2: really like using that term. And I'm like, oh now
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  Speaker 2: everybody uses that term. Yeah, I also like people, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we don't we don't have It's a good word too.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think people know what that means. So absolutely
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  Speaker 3: right for me, I like, I'm I'm sort of apart
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  Speaker 3: from myself. Yeah, I feel like a little a Pinocchio
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  Speaker 3: that the strings have gotten just.
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  Speaker 2: Like disconnected and like there are Yeah. Yeah, I also
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  Speaker 2: like to you know, I think we've gotten away from
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  Speaker 2: like regulated isn't calm, right to me, regulated is capacity.
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  Speaker 2: It's the ability to flow through different states. And you know, yo,
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know this audience is no stranger to
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  Speaker 2: the window of tolerance. To me, it's about expanding that
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  Speaker 2: window and being able to maneuver through it. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: we we love movement for that reason.
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  Speaker 3: And also if people find that they're moving less, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: in their in their day, you know, moving less or
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  Speaker 3: not enjoying moving. Uh and uh, you know, in my
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  Speaker 3: my sense is also that if if people are noticing
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  Speaker 3: that they're not able to uh to attend and to
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  Speaker 3: follow through, I think that they're not able to function,
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  Speaker 3: you know, with the high level of responding. So instead
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  Speaker 3: of responding, people go into reaction, and everything's reaction. That's
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  Speaker 3: a that's the big difference. So if you're reacting, you're
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  Speaker 3: in fear, and if you're responding, you're using movement, You're
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  Speaker 3: you're turning toward what is happening, uh, and you're able
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  Speaker 3: to move through it. It's not as if everything has
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  Speaker 3: to be perfect. But if you're able to to use yourself,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and you know, expand your agency, your ability
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  Speaker 3: to move through things, then you know, in my sense
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  Speaker 3: is that people can, you know, expand their ability to
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  Speaker 3: make choices. But if you're finding that I just I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what to do, uh, you know, I feel confused.
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  Speaker 3: So also the the faint the expression of fear that
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  Speaker 3: people are not as familiar with is that I just
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  Speaker 3: feel like I don't Ah, I just am overwhelmed. I
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  Speaker 3: think that's what I'm from most people. I'm just overwhelmed
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  Speaker 3: and I can't really find my resources.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, overwhelmed has become a big word too now
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  Speaker 2: I'm hearing just just the word overwhelm. I remember the
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  Speaker 2: first time someone said to me is that word? And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, well, it is, now like you can
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  Speaker 2: be overwhelmed. But I find so often we're just talking
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  Speaker 2: about the overwhelm that we experience. Would you, could you
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  Speaker 2: or would you share some tools or resources, things that
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  Speaker 2: you employ either in your workshops with your clients that
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  Speaker 2: can help us move through some of these absolute postures
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  Speaker 2: of fear so to speak.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, well, I have a whole I have a whole
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  Speaker 3: section of our website, Foundation for Conscious Living that's really
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  Speaker 3: about fear, how to understand fear, how to move through fear.
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  Speaker 3: But one of them, one of the basic things you
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  Speaker 3: can use in the moment is what I call fear melters.
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  Speaker 3: And they're basically moving your body so that you don't
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  Speaker 3: remain frozen in fear and and so and they're they're
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  Speaker 3: very simple movements. So for fight, there's oozing, where you
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  Speaker 3: think of yourself as in a ocean or hot fudge
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  Speaker 3: over and particularly you want to get it through you
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  Speaker 3: your shoulders because you cannot fight when you're oozing and
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  Speaker 3: it and it softens that reaction. Uh. And then flee
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  Speaker 3: you know people you know, flee up, flee forward, flee
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  Speaker 3: into the next project, flee into their into their phones.
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  Speaker 2: Yea next email, next post, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what's happening now, So fleeing into
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  Speaker 3: uh you know, into the past or into the future.
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  Speaker 3: And what I the fear melter for this is what
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  Speaker 3: I call routine, which is you really am And the
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  Speaker 3: shorthand version is find your feet. Just find your feet
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  Speaker 3: and then feel what your feet are touching and allow
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  Speaker 3: the energy of the earth to support you and so
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  Speaker 3: and there there is more, but that's a you know,
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  Speaker 3: that's like a first aid. Yeah yeah, yeah, and then
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  Speaker 3: uh frozen you know which we have. You know, if
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  Speaker 3: you're paying any attention, you can be from you know,
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  Speaker 3: dozens of times through the day, so that that freeze.
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  Speaker 3: So the wiggle wiggle one of my friends calls it
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  Speaker 3: also a shrug. You can do a little shit, just
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  Speaker 3: you know, shrugging off.
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  Speaker 2: And it's so helpful. Like even because I'm very familiar
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  Speaker 2: with your fear melters. Is like for a lot of
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  Speaker 2: my clients starting you've done this before, starting with your extremities.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's like people are like, but I'm I'm frozen,
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  Speaker 2: how do I move? Like, but your fingers, your toes
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  Speaker 2: can move, you know, And there it's so out of
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  Speaker 2: reach that we're like, oh, oh, you're right, I can
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  Speaker 2: do that, and then all of a sudden, your whole
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  Speaker 2: body is wiggling.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, that's I really appreciate you mentioning that,
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  Speaker 3: because we can be frozen and still start to wiggle fingers,
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  Speaker 3: and then that can sort of fall out the rest
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  Speaker 3: of you, you know, just gradually. And when people do that,
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  Speaker 3: they immediately feel more aliveness because you're getting more circulation
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  Speaker 3: and more flow. But the big wood is faint when
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  Speaker 3: people are in their overwhelmed. So the actual reaching out
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  Speaker 3: just well.
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  Speaker 2: You know, none of us are familiar with these days.
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  Speaker 3: No, not at all, not at all. So if I
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  Speaker 3: reach out and literally bring love, bring attention, bring friendliness
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  Speaker 3: in if I'm reaching, even if I don't feel it,
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  Speaker 3: this is the one. If you will let yourself go
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  Speaker 3: through the motions. What you're doing is beginning to move
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  Speaker 3: your torso and when you do that, you're waking up
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  Speaker 3: the center of your body where you can come home
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  Speaker 3: to and you can oh, okay, it's all right for
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  Speaker 3: me to be here, and you can you're literally being
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  Speaker 3: with yourself, which is in my opinion, the definition of love.
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  Speaker 3: Then I'm able to be with myself. So if I
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  Speaker 3: do that, I start feeling, oh okay, I'm not feeling
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  Speaker 3: so overwhelmed anymore. And in addition to those which you
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  Speaker 3: can learn a lot more about on the Foundation for
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  Speaker 3: Conscious Living, I have found for people to slow down
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  Speaker 3: their breath and find their essence pace are two very
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  Speaker 3: reliable ways of shifting into your ability to respond rather
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  Speaker 3: than to react. And so most people their breath. They're
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  Speaker 3: either holding the breath, so finding that relax letting the
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  Speaker 3: in breath go on over into the outbreath, but also
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  Speaker 3: letting yourself relax on the in breath and tighten on
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  Speaker 3: the outbreath. So because people are in that holding, so
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  Speaker 3: if you're tightened on the outbreath and relax on the
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  Speaker 3: in breath, that that opens up your breath pump again
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  Speaker 3: to be able to support you, to give you the
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  Speaker 3: energy to here, because if you're not, it's amazing. You know,
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  Speaker 3: in my work, I've seen how little air people it
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  Speaker 3: will to function with, which is just you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: really like, I'm just barely here. So if you're letting
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  Speaker 3: your breath deepen, it just gives you more juice to
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  Speaker 3: enjoy but also to work with and then what I
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  Speaker 3: call essence pace. Most of us are in the adrenaline loop,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a faster, more and more and more bigger,
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  Speaker 3: and that adrenaline doesn't allow us to actually experience presence
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  Speaker 3: of being here, being able to connect, being able to choose.
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  Speaker 3: And so what I have people do is basically speed
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  Speaker 3: up and slow down. It's a very fun and easy
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  Speaker 3: thing to do. You can do it at home, nobody
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  Speaker 3: has to see you doing it. You can do it
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  Speaker 3: out and walk. So you speed up and slow down.
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  Speaker 3: And the idea is there's a pace where you can
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  Speaker 3: be aware of yourself and aware of your surroundings at
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  Speaker 3: the same time. And when you do that, the world
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  Speaker 3: opens up and become safe again. And so I can
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  Speaker 3: be aware, Oh this is what I want. I want
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  Speaker 3: to go this direction. No, no, I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: go that to what I want to go this. Oh
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  Speaker 3: I want to reach out to this person. Okay, I
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  Speaker 3: think I want to be by myself now. So it
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  Speaker 3: allows you to let your body intelligence wake up and
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  Speaker 3: be able to inform you. It's actually also so much
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  Speaker 3: more efficient. Then hurry up, do more. You know how
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: many things can I get done before I head out
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: the door? That what I've really found, and especially during
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: the pandemic and after I found if I were moving
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: at my essence pace, I was much more effective than
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: if I were trying to do everything I get. You know,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I could get done in the next half an hour
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: before I go on to the next thing that I
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: was supposed to be doing.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Right, because yeah, Lea's the drain, the collapse, the life force,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: you know that, all those fear responses.
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  Speaker 3: So the fear response is yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is not the first time I've heard
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  Speaker 2: you talk about these things, but I feel like every
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: time you do, I feel like I'm hearing it for
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the first time because it's just well, it's the way
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  Speaker 2: you deliver it. But it just reminds me how accessible
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: movement can be to facilitate different thinking, like you don't
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: have to live this way forever. My thing is always
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: it comes down to moving differently, and so just reminding
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  Speaker 2: people like oo, wiggle root your put your feet on
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: the floor. You know, It's like I think for a
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: lot of people hearing this sometimes it becomes like a wait,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: what is that? Let me write that down, hold on,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: put it on floor.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It really is that simple. Just find your feet and people.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you run into this too, that people think
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: it's too simple.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I get that there's gotta be morena because life
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: is very complicated and it's and if you're giving me
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: this simple, are you you think I'm stupid?
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  Speaker 1: So the.
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  Speaker 3: Sense that what I was just thinking of when you
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: were sharing here is for one thing I found very
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: effective is I feel myself caught in something, I let
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: myself do it a little more. But rather than.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Trying to fix it, Yeah, I lean into trying to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: get rid of it.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I do it a little bit more like I go,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: oh oh, I was trying to I'm cringing because it
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: gives me information. So do it a little bit more
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: and then make one new choice. So what's one thing
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: I could do here that would feel friendly to me?
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Well I could. Well, I could let my shoulders go.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I'm listening to myself rather than trying to control myself.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: So if something is going on, often we look at
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: ourselves like, oh, what's wrong now?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 3: Are you ever going to get things together?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Here? Rather than should I fix this? Is broken?
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: What should I get rid of? But when I when
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: I do it a little bit more, it's like oh honey,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: oh oh I see. Oh that's the awi. Oh okay. Oh.
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  Speaker 3: And then I even when I'm you know, play acting it.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: When I do that, I I immediately get more breath like,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: oh okay, and that sense of embracing myself, of being
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: with myself, then I'm ready to take a step to
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: connect out in the world more and so recognizing that,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: uh that my inner my inner language, the language and
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: particularly of moving. So in our trainings, it's very basic.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: If you're not breathing, get breathing, and if you're.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Not moving, get moving.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: No, it's really that simple. But the moving if i'm
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: if I'm looking at myself as an object rather than
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: how am I wanting to move? Or what's a choice
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I could make right now? That's friendly? Well, what's something
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I could do that I haven't done before? What's a
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: way of moving that is different than you know? It
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: can be very simple, but what it does is give
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: you your whole body intelligence and sense of oh I
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: get to be included. Oh I'm back in the game now.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So true. I will make sure that links to
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you know, your foundation, your website, your work are included
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: in the notes for this, so that anybody listening has
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: access to that. Please go, you know, not even skim
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: deep dive into these resources because it's just a wealth
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: of information for yourselves and also, I imagine a lot
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: of your therapists, so you're going to want resources for
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: your clients as well, coaches, mental health professionals. Katie, thank
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: you so much for being here. It means so much
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: to me. We could talk forever. Maybe we'll have an
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: opportunity to do more segments, but I just want to
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for your openness and willingness to
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: talk about what you love and your passion and sharing
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: it with us.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Oh my pleasure. And back at you.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Oh well we have that in common right Well, definitely
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: till next time, and thank you again so much. I
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you,