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RHOP Exclusive: Charrisse Calls FAKE on Ashley & Gizelle · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Happy holidays, rain drops. So look before you, guys, continue
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  Speaker 1: to you know, enjoy your holiday and all those things.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Carlos King never takes a break, So of course I
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  Speaker 1: had to get on vacation to talk to my girl
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  Speaker 1: because baby, a lot is going on and we cannot
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  Speaker 1: bring in the new year with mess. So ladies jump
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  Speaker 1: to mcgay's and days give it up for Charisse Jackson
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  Speaker 1: Jordan a Potomac.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, rain drops, I love your rain jobs.
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  Speaker 2: Actually they love you. So how's your holiday going, boob?
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  Speaker 4: It's going pretty good. I'm with family. So this is
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  Speaker 4: my first holiday in a long time being in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 4: So I have siblings here, Nissa's nephews, and I've i
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  Speaker 4: spent Thanksgiving, my first Thanksgiving with them.
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  Speaker 3: I'm spending Christmas.
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  Speaker 4: I may bring it in a year, might go back
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  Speaker 4: to Maryland the new Year, and I'm really sure, but
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: It's been really good. Got a little snow, you know,
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  Speaker 3: so it's cute.
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  Speaker 2: And I tell you was also cute. What that blond baby?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, they say blondes have more fun. So I'm a testament.
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  Speaker 1: So wait, so is this what the what Gisellekaron call
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  Speaker 1: the color, is it the bee.
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  Speaker 3: Don't get me lying. I don't know none of those things.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. That is not my ministry.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Okay. That's how I learned a little a
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  Speaker 2: little bit or too.
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  Speaker 1: About blonde hair, baby, because there was a whole drama
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  Speaker 1: about whether or not people are sitting in the blonde.
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  Speaker 2: But the blonde looks really good on you.
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  Speaker 1: So look, I wanted to make sure that you and
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  Speaker 1: I spoke before the New year, because girl, your name
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  Speaker 1: and the name of your son, Jackson, Okay, has been
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  Speaker 1: everywhere due to listen, let's say you right into it,
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  Speaker 1: due to Ashley's admission that she did hook up.
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  Speaker 2: With your son. So before we get into what you
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  Speaker 2: responded to on.
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  Speaker 1: Social media, I want to go back to the day
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  Speaker 1: you filmed that scene because it's a lot of people, Sharise,
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  Speaker 1: who felt that, Okay, did she already know this? Were
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  Speaker 1: you surprised on the first time on camera? Did your
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  Speaker 1: son ever tell you he hooked up with Ashley? So
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  Speaker 1: talk to me about that scene that we saw in
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  Speaker 1: the last episode where Ashley does tell you that she
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  Speaker 1: and your son kissed, and then a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: transpire after that that we'll get into yes.
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  Speaker 4: So basically that was one of my first scenes, and
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  Speaker 4: so it was more like a catch up scene of
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  Speaker 4: me finding out what's been going on with the girls.
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  Speaker 4: This is what I thought it was, and I come
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  Speaker 4: on to the scene rewind. I was very clear about
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  Speaker 4: coming into filming. My intention was not to get into
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  Speaker 4: these little cat fights with these ladies because for some reason,
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  Speaker 4: when there's a confrontation that involves me, I'm always looked
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  Speaker 4: at as the underdog and I'm being thirsty and all
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  Speaker 4: these things, and people really have no idea what really
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  Speaker 4: goes on. But I went in thinking I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 4: catch up with girls. It was actually a great scene.
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  Speaker 4: It was fun, it was a lot of laughter, and
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  Speaker 4: they didn't use the scene and I was just like, damn,
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  Speaker 4: it didn't even use that.
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  Speaker 3: That was a great scene. Like, you know, these women
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  Speaker 3: are fighting all season.
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  Speaker 4: You finally get a friends scene that seems very genuine
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  Speaker 4: and you don't even use it. And then down the
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  Speaker 4: road it's like, well two weeks earlier and it shows
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  Speaker 4: just that one portion where Ashley is dropping this bomb
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  Speaker 4: in my lap. And to be quite honest with you, Carlos,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't believe her. I actually has been lying for
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  Speaker 4: ten years. So when she's saying this to me, I'm
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  Speaker 4: honestly waiting for the prank or I did not believe her.
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  Speaker 4: And in my head, I'm thinking, I know she is
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  Speaker 4: not that death before a storyline that she's bringing my
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  Speaker 4: son into this, Like, I really did not I didn't
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  Speaker 4: believe it. But then she says he initiated a kiss
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  Speaker 4: with her.
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  Speaker 3: This is what she tells me. That's all it was.
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  Speaker 4: He initiated He like pulled her in or something. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm not thinking to myself, that doesn't sound like my son.
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  Speaker 4: But okay, but I just I just didn't believe her, honestly,
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  Speaker 4: I just I didn't believe it. And then fast forward,
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  Speaker 4: now that the show is aired, it's turned into let me.
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  Speaker 2: Stop you there. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So when she tells you the day y'all tape the
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  Speaker 1: scene that we saw, right, because of course this happened
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  Speaker 1: months ago, So months ago, with your friend Ashley tells
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  Speaker 1: you she made out with yourself, You're you're saying, look,
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  Speaker 1: Ash's a liar.
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  Speaker 2: She lies all the time, but not all the time.
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  Speaker 2: You just say that she lies.
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  Speaker 3: All the time. But go ahead, okay, she lies all
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  Speaker 3: the time.
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  Speaker 1: And you thought, like, Okay, this girl is deaf the
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  Speaker 1: first story line. So that day or days after, weeks after,
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  Speaker 1: a month after, did you and your son Jackson ever
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  Speaker 1: talk about what Ashley told you that day?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? In all, honestly, because I really didn't believe her.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't.
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  Speaker 4: I never asked Jackson. I just said, oh I heard
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  Speaker 4: I actually had the hots for you. That's what I said,
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  Speaker 4: and Jackson laughed it off. And that was the only
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  Speaker 4: thing said when we were And again, I'm still not
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  Speaker 4: believing this story. So I'm like, I'm gonna bring Jackson
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  Speaker 4: to the little cowboy thing they had, right, I did
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  Speaker 4: not believe it when I was when I had Jackson
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  Speaker 4: come to film that day. You know, my son wants
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  Speaker 4: to be a model and all the things, right, So
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  Speaker 4: like I'm a little exposure.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm like, come on, I felt with me.
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  Speaker 4: And then I'm like, maybe he really did kiss her, right,
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  Speaker 4: but that's all I'm thinking.
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  Speaker 3: It was a kiss, that's it.
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  Speaker 4: But so I don't know why. Like I've read a
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  Speaker 4: lot where people felt like I should have been like
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  Speaker 4: going off on Ashley, and I honestly don't agree with
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  Speaker 4: that because, first of all, again I'm thinking she's lying.
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  Speaker 4: But if my grown son initiated something with her, where's
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  Speaker 4: the why am I going off? This isn't a twenty
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  Speaker 4: seventh in Wall. He's twenty five minutes a time, but
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  Speaker 4: twenty he's twenty seven years old? You know, nothing but nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Ashley's not a not a bad looking girl. She's a hottie,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So if I was my son,
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  Speaker 4: I could see him being a little la la over Ashley.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: So why would I get mad that my son took
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  Speaker 4: the initiative to kiss her? But she presented her wrong?
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  Speaker 4: She lied when she presented it. They wanted a reaction
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  Speaker 4: for me. If they wanted a reaction.
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  Speaker 3: They should have told the truth. The truth was she's well,
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  Speaker 3: now she's saying, which.
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  Speaker 4: I still know. I don't know because I did. I
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  Speaker 4: have not even asked my son the part about them
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  Speaker 4: sleeping together. Like now she's saying they've slept on multiple
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  Speaker 4: occasions and he's good and bad. I've been hearing all
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  Speaker 4: these stories, you know, So I'm like, what is the
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  Speaker 4: motive here?
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  Speaker 3: What is the motive?
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  Speaker 4: You know, you you're that thirsty that you need to
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  Speaker 4: use my son to you know, come up what you
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  Speaker 4: think is something relevant to me is disgusting. Honestly, you
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  Speaker 4: know what woman would sleep with their friends, were friends,
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  Speaker 4: their friend's son. You know, it's just it's tacky. But again, Carlos,
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  Speaker 4: I really didn't believe the story, and I think, honestly,
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  Speaker 4: part of me wants to.
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  Speaker 3: Be in denial about it, honestly because I don't want.
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  Speaker 4: To believe that she could be that low to want
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  Speaker 4: to use my son for a storyline. Because when Andy
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  Speaker 4: I saw him watch what Happened, Watch what Happened Live?
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  Speaker 4: I always say that wrong, Watch what Happens Live? He
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  Speaker 4: asked her, did I know? And then she said something
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  Speaker 4: about oh, she something about if she looked at her
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  Speaker 4: her camera lights in her house. So now you're implying
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  Speaker 4: that you don't that my son in my house. See,
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  Speaker 4: this is the shit you should have said when we
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  Speaker 4: were sitting in the in the restaurant if you wanted
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  Speaker 4: a reaction, not ol were Jackson kind of kissed me,
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  Speaker 4: that you know type of thing.
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  Speaker 3: But now it's a whole, it's it's it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: So let's let let's talk about this. So Ashley did
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  Speaker 1: go on watch Apples Live. She intimated that yours son,
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  Speaker 1: who is twenty seven years old and she's thirty seven,
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  Speaker 1: and look, look grown Adolphs consenting adults ten your age.
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  Speaker 2: Difference, they're grown.
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  Speaker 1: So for you, it's less about your son allegedly, because
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  Speaker 1: again you haven't asked Jackson, so we've never heard his
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  Speaker 1: side of the story.
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming.
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming that Jackson is a type of guy who's
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  Speaker 1: not going to kiss and tell and listen, you raised
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  Speaker 1: a great man who doesn't feel the need to brag
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  Speaker 1: about the women he slept with.
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  Speaker 2: Allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: Is it more about the fact that you considered Ashley
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  Speaker 1: to be a friend and the fact that she is
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  Speaker 1: going on Washta Happens Live and doing these interviews talking
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  Speaker 1: about how your son is good in bed and they
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  Speaker 1: hook the multiple times, and she was never warming enough
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  Speaker 1: to have that conversation with you face to face exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Like even the mere fact that you'd go on national
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  Speaker 4: television to disclose this as my friend, I think you
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  Speaker 4: should have said to me, you know what this is,
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  Speaker 4: this is what happened, and that she was going to
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  Speaker 4: move in that way or some I don't know. I
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  Speaker 4: just I just thought it was just tacky, like, why
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  Speaker 4: are you doing this? And I was told that she
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  Speaker 4: wanted to bring this story up two years ago. Two
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  Speaker 4: years ago, you were trying to make it your storyline.
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  Speaker 4: Then Andy asked her did I know? Did she tell me?
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  Speaker 4: And why why didn't she tell me? And she said
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  Speaker 4: because Jackson didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Want me to know. Okay, he didn't want me to know.
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  Speaker 4: But you go on national television to tell me that
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  Speaker 4: he hooked up with well he initiated kissing you or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: But now you're on the roll talking about a relationship.
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  Speaker 4: If this was the other way around, and it was
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  Speaker 4: a Jackson was the was Ashley thirty seven, and Ashley
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  Speaker 4: was Jackson twenty seven the woman, the roles reversed. People
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  Speaker 4: will see this thing so differently. You know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: It's just like I for me when she's telling me,
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  Speaker 4: I'm in a sense thing about my own life at
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  Speaker 4: twenty five. At twenty five, Carlos, do you know I
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  Speaker 4: was dating their father? At twenty five he was in
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  Speaker 4: the process of a divorce. He had two kids he
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  Speaker 4: had by his wife, he had two other kids by
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  Speaker 4: two other women.
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  Speaker 3: And I married that man.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So like I can't get mad at nothing anybody does, because.
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  Speaker 3: Which was my child, you know what I'm saying. So
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  Speaker 3: I get it, you know what I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Saying, Like, I can't get mad at him for doing
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  Speaker 4: whatever he whatever he chose to do, if he did it.
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  Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's how it was put
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  Speaker 4: out there.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was.
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  Speaker 4: It was low And for the record, my friends, none
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  Speaker 4: of them would ever do such a thing like as
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  Speaker 4: She doesn't operate like my friends, like for the way
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  Speaker 4: that I grew up, When your friends kids become your kids,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, No matter what the age is,
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  Speaker 4: they become your kids.
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  Speaker 3: And so to be.
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  Speaker 4: Interested in your friend's kid that you now consider like
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  Speaker 4: a brother or nephew, it's ancestral to me, you know.
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  Speaker 4: But I also understand that she doesn't navigate like people
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  Speaker 4: like me. Her mindset is a little different than how
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  Speaker 4: I am. I mean, she was married to Michael, they
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  Speaker 4: had a whole open relationship, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: So her thought process about sexual relations is a lot
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  Speaker 4: different than mine.
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  Speaker 3: There's no boundaries for her. Nothing's all limits. Period.
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  Speaker 1: Before I get to the next question, I do want
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  Speaker 1: to ask you on the record, Jackson is your son.
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  Speaker 2: You two are very close.
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  Speaker 1: Why even today haven't you spoken to Jackson about it?
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  Speaker 1: What is your reason to ask his mother to not
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  Speaker 1: bring it up?
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  Speaker 4: You know, Carlos, I respect the privacy of people, even
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  Speaker 4: my children. I think they're entitled to do what they
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  Speaker 4: want to do. Part of me was like, Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to be talking to Carlos.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I should just ask them.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I know it's going to be an awkward
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  Speaker 4: thing for him, you know, so I don't. I've never
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  Speaker 4: got into their personal lives of what they're doing sexually,
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  Speaker 4: you know or not. Yeah, I just and maybe and again,
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  Speaker 4: Like I said, Carlos, part of me wants so bad
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  Speaker 4: to believe that this is just another stunt of hers
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  Speaker 4: and that it's not true.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I was talking to Robin the other day.
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  Speaker 3: She said, well, don't be naive, she reies.
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  Speaker 2: I is, you know, because does Robin. Does Robin think
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  Speaker 2: it's true?
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, of course she does.
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  Speaker 2: What about Giselle?
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  Speaker 4: This you probably talked to Gizelle. That's where Robin would
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  Speaker 4: know her information from. Okay, coming from Gazelle don't mean
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  Speaker 4: it's necessarily true either, because her and actually sit in
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  Speaker 4: the laboratory and create stories for everybody except themselves.
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  Speaker 3: Really, so it is what it is, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I know, why, why why do you say that Gizelle
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  Speaker 1: and Ashley be in the laboratory cooking up storylines.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, like, honestly, Carlos, this the way that this
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  Speaker 4: this group has evolved.
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  Speaker 3: It's so crazy to me.
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  Speaker 4: It's like I remember years ago, it was Cynthia's fiftieth birthday.
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  Speaker 4: I was in Atlanta. I was at her party and
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  Speaker 4: that was my first time seeing Atlanta film. And then
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  Speaker 4: the next day we're hanging out and the thing was
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  Speaker 4: there were no cameras, but it was.
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  Speaker 3: The same people, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: And they were shady in real life just as they
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  Speaker 4: were on television. They were who they were, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Whereas like now I find like these other shows like Potomac,
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  Speaker 4: they have these characters that come in and they want
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  Speaker 4: to be a character, and they don't want to live
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  Speaker 4: their real lives, you know, and so or they'll dictate
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  Speaker 4: what part of their lives that they want to live.
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  Speaker 4: I would say for myself, when I was on the show,
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  Speaker 4: I was willing to open up my life. I was
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  Speaker 4: going through a divorce and literally wasn't, but I was
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  Speaker 4: going through. I have always been open to my reality.
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  Speaker 4: I have offered so many things that was declined because
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  Speaker 4: and they were good stories, you know, stories like I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to my kids had siblings, they didn't know that
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  Speaker 4: they were going to be meeting for the first time.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to do on national television because you know what,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people have that same story, and I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to.
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  Speaker 3: Go through the whole process. I was declined.
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  Speaker 4: It's so many things that real life stuff that I'm declined.
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  Speaker 4: But then you have these ladies who are doing this
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  Speaker 4: fake television. And so for me, when you look at
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  Speaker 4: me season one to three, that's when Potomac was still
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  Speaker 4: real in my mind. And then then it's this whole
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  Speaker 4: other self production stuff that started taking place. So when
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  Speaker 4: I'm there, I'm not engaged because I'm a real chick,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So it's hard for me
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  Speaker 4: to engage in the fakery of it all. Like even
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  Speaker 4: this season, everybody's going for Stacy. It's like Stacy's a liar,
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  Speaker 4: Stacy Stacy Stacy, and I'm just like this is all
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  Speaker 4: y'all got, like come on, Like.
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  Speaker 3: What's it was? The weirdest thing to me.
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  Speaker 4: Literally, every time I went to a film, they were
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  Speaker 4: going at Stacy, going at Stacy. The last time it
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  Speaker 4: was Angels, they were going at angel you know, and
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  Speaker 4: it was just like, Okay, it's it's it's just it's
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  Speaker 4: so fake. It's so you know, I would say scripted,
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  Speaker 4: but the acting is so bad. But it's so I'm
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  Speaker 4: just there, Carlos, I promise you. I'm just I can't
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  Speaker 4: engage with all that fakeness. I really can't.
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  Speaker 1: So well, let me ask you this, Who do you
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  Speaker 1: think is responsible for the fakeness that you said you see?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Because I think often these women they live their storylines, right,
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  Speaker 4: the fake storylines. They live it, you know, like if
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  Speaker 4: whatever they decide that season that they're going to portray, they.
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  Speaker 3: Live it like it's the truth.
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  Speaker 4: Like you'll talk to them and though live by that
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  Speaker 4: fake storyline, you know, So even though you're just like,
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  Speaker 4: come on now, but.
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  Speaker 3: It's just different. It's different.
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  Speaker 4: It's not Atlanta. I don't know about the other shows.
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  Speaker 4: Don't about Lanta now. I'm just talking Aboutlanta before the
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  Speaker 4: one that I witnessed. Those girls were the truth, you
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  Speaker 4: know what.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, what the truth?
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  Speaker 4: And everybody wants to be Niani, you know, just oh
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  Speaker 4: she wanted to be Nini. You know, everybody wants to
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  Speaker 4: be Niani. There's only one Nini. I'm sorry, can't be
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  Speaker 4: duplicated ever, you know what I'm saying. Your question was
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  Speaker 4: about why hadn't do we finish that? Why I hadn't
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  Speaker 4: told Jackson?
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well the end is you haven't asked Jackson about
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: the validity of this, of this sexual relationship or what
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: have you.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Because you, number.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: One, you said you don't talk to Jackson about or
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: your only your children.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: You don't talk to your kids about what they do
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: in the bed room.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't talk to anybody about what
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: they do in their bedroom.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: I don't care. I only care about what's in my bedroom. Okay,
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: that's it. You're not not much going on there.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: But girl, with that, with that blode, honey, you maybe
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: having more counters. So you did bring up something that
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: people have been saying online, and I want to give
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: to what Stacey said in my interview with her recently
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: as well. People are saying online that look, yes, Jackson
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: is twenty seven, Ashley's thirty seven at the time of
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the kiss. He was twenty five, she was thirty five.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: You've known Ashley at least for ten years, so people
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: are saying he was fifteen when you joined the show,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: she was twenty five. People, these are what people are
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: saying that look, she watched them grow up, and they
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: feel like if the roles were reversed that if a
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: man was friends with a guy and his daughter was
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: fifteen when he met her and they started kissing her
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: at twenty five and he's thirty five, a lot of
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: people would not have the same reaction they're.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Having with Ashley and Jackson. Would you?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Would you say that there is this double standard when
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: it comes to that.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, if a thirty older, ten year older guy came
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: on to one of Gazelle's daughters, it wouldn't happened. It
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: wouldn't have happened, you know what I'm saying. That's what
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: I'm even. The standards are different for different people too.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: So what you might allow for Chariz because this guy's
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: a living when it comes to me, you can say
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: whatever you want, the negative, the more negative, the better.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: That's how it's been for me on the show. Whereas
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: the same things that would apply to someone else, they
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: would handle be handled different. But yeah, somebody I think
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: like on the show, if someone would have made out
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: with Gazelle's one of her daughters, we probab wouldnt heard
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: about it because they wouldn't have wanted that trashiness on
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: the show. But because it was me and my son,
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: it was nobody cared. It's like they put allowed that
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: to happen. But there's so many double standards in so
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: many departments, and it's really it's it's unfair, you know.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: And then like even like with me, I don't do confessionals,
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: so you're I mean I could, but I haven't done confessionals.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: You'll let someone respond.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Like as she said, whatever she said in a confessional
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: about Jackson, I didn't get an opportunity to clap back
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: or say anything.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: So it's it's not even a balanced playing field. You know.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: I come in, I find out about this situation, and
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: then well, you know, she just drops this little bomb
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: on me that I really didn't care about.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: But in my head.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: And one thing I will say, I stay in my head,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: and I probably stay in it a little bit too much.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: I'm always concerned about how oh I'm perceived, you know.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: I think oftentimes when I respond to certain ways, everyone
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: wants me to be a third strep.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, she's shesty, wants to you know, she wants a
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: fluid or whatever.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: I'm like, they have no idea how much I've literally
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: turned down my whole my whole purpose with Potomac, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: maybe I should give up on doing it. Is trying
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: to make it look like a classy show, you know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: like give it am beyond, give it style, give it
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: some class. Potomac initially was supposed to be like the
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: black version of Beverly Hills, you know, And every time
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: I turn around and eating out these aluminum plates, It's
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: like there's no you know, people watch I mean, Housewives
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: used to be lifestyle, right, it was lifestyle, So there's
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: no lifestyle of Potomac. Okay, those what the people in Potomac,
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: the show they call it?
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: How was a poor Toomac?
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Sarie?
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm just a messager, Okay, Okay, Well there
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: you go to Sarise.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: So one of the things that occurred in my interview
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: with Stacy Rush, she didn't make a comment.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw the clip. If you haven't, watched
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: the whole interview where.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: She she did say, you know, I you know, when
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: she's describing how Ashley you know, slept with her son
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: or kiss her son.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Again, we don't know what the truth is, but.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Ashley said they slept together, hooked up rather but Stacey said, verbatim,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: she feels like it's it's once your friend is a
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: child when you met them, they will always be a
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: child in your eyes. Stacy said that she thinks it's girl.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: She say, ew yuck, thet a rough if Ashley feels
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: the need to hook over her friend's son. If you
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: saw the clip, what did you think about what Stacy
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: had to say?
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: He was on point absolutely one correct, because that's how
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: people like me think. It is disgusting.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: It's like just I you know, because I'm I have
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: friends who have attractive sons ill like I can't even imagine.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I don't even want to hug them too tight, you
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: know what.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, because I just give a little little dap
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: or something, you know, but.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: I can't look at them in that way, you know.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: And to take it a step further and to not
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: be ashamed of it and to tell the world about it,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: like that's something else, like if you really did do that,
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: you should have just went to your grave with it
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: and not tell anybody. No one, we would not know
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: because Jackson for sure would not have told anybody, you know.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: So yes, but Stacey was right on point.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Have you heard from Ashley all?
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: No, I have not. I was supposed to. She reminded
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: me to her holiday party, which I normally go every year.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I was sick this year.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Ah, you are sick of her or sick like I
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: was both?
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: I was both, But I'm glad I didn't go because
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: even then I didn't know the full story, you know
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Like, so when one person had told
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: me that she was going around telling people that they
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: actually had, but I hadn't heard it anywhere else, So
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: that kind of.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Kind of changed.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I don't I really don't need to come to your
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: house now, you know ever.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: But.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: So I didn't go because I haven't talked to her,
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: like even as a friend. Again, if she's going to
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: go on these on this little press tour telling everybody
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: she know my son, you would think she would at
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: least have the decency to say to me, call me
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: up and say, hey girl, this is what's going down?
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying to me, it's like a
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: constant jab like every time she doesn't it's Carlos is disrespectful.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: It is There's just no way you can sugarcoat it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: There's no way that I could. I mean again, yeah,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: he can do whatever he want to do, but in
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: terms of girl code and friendship, it's disrespectful. And to me,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: it shows me how you feel about me as a friend,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: because now you had you were willing to lose our
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: friendship over telling the world that you slept with my son.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: It just tells me how you feel about me as
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: a person. It has nothing to do with Jackson at
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: this point. It has to do with how you value friendship,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: your your mode of respect. You know, she has no
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: moral compass, you know, and it's it's it's sad.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: When it comes to your friendship with Ashley.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Do you think you want to based on everything that's transpired,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: do you believe that Ashley was ever your friend?
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: No?
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: No, I think one thing about me. I remember the
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: first Christmas party and one of the Atlanta girls was
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: at the party and she said to me, you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: because people know I'm I think people can see my innocence.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: So she said to me, these are not your friends.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: No one is your friend. And at the time they
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: all were my friends. I called Giselle. I mean, you know,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: I'm the reason that the show was put to I
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: got the show together. Like, I'm really thinking, these are
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: my friends. They were up until we started doing that show.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: And when she was saying it to me, I didn't, Oh,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: she doesn't know me. You know, everybody likes sheris. You know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: I'm the fun girl and I'm a I love my
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: friends hard, so there's no room for questioning my loyalty
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: to you as a friend. I love my friends hard.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: So I'm thinking, these are my girls used to my
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: road dogs, you know what I'm saying. Even when I
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: wasn't filming, we were still friends. We're still hanging out
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: because they're my friends, you know, at least I thought.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: And then it's like this happens and it makes you
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: look back and other things start clicking and making sense, like, Okay, no,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: she clearly was not ever my friend. She was a
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: coworkers they call it.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Is there any girl that's on the show right now
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that you do consider friend?
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Okay, So Stacey and I used to be friends before
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: the show. We were friends like friends. I met Stacey.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: I know I was going through my divorce when she
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: and I were friends. We used to hang out whatever,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: and I actually liked Stacy, by the way, But one
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: thing that the common denominator to all of my downfalls
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: with that show leads to one person that she'll remain nameless.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Got to her and gave their spit on everything, and
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: she when I came to film. First of all, let
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: me just tell you when the first season ended, I
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: reached out to Stacy. I was surprised Stacy didn't reach
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: out to me to tell me she's gonna be on
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: the show, which she doesn't have to, that's a prerogative.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: But then after watching her on the show, I sent
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: her text and I said, you know, congratulations, you were
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: breath of fresh air, because that's how I felt. She
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: has a breath of fresh air. She's like, oh my gosh,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: she was. Let's get together. We went to dinner and
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: she was a little, you know, unsettled because how the
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: girls came at her, and you know, she was having
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: a hard time. And I sat down with Stacey and
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: gave her some hard, good advice. She listened to everything
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: I told her too, Okay, And I'm not giving myself
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: credit for her because she's.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Doing well, but she got it when I.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Shared with her, and she's like, oh, Sweetz, you should
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: come back. And I was like, it doesn't for me.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: It's different for me, you know what I'm saying that
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: that thing, that ship didn't sale. But if I knew
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: what I do now, the outcome for me would have
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: been a lot different. I was playing checkers, they were
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: playing chess, you know. And unfortunately, like for some reason,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: when you get a new girl on a showy they
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: like to haze them and all the things, and it
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: seems a little insecure. I don't like a little insecurity.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: I know everybody's fighting to keep their space on that show,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: but the hazing that they do, like it's crazy. And
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: to just not like people, not to like them, and
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: to say all these horrible things about people, fact or fiction.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Most of the fiction, you know, it's just it's just horrible.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: But so, Stacy was kind of told something by one
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: of my friends that made her feel that I betrayed
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: her trusts. I don't know what was told because it's
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: probably a lie.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: It's the person she said told her still on the show. Yeah,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: they're a housewife. Yeah, okay.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: So and even though she doesn't have the greatest relationship
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: with this person, she because I in our conversation, I
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: told her about the person. So this person tells her
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: whatever she has to tell her. Stacy believes whatever she
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: told her. And so when I go to film now,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Stacy's not talking to me, and I'm like, there had
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: been nothing, that's why. And I probably shouldn't have done it.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: I thought, Oh, in my head, I'm thinking, oh, you
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: want to be van to me. Let me give you
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: a reason to be mad. And then I made I
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: said this thing about whatever I said on the show.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: But I actually really do like Stacy, even though I
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: haven't talked her in a while. I think she's great television.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: I don't think that.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: I think that it's hard for people that when you
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: see success coming, those women are going to try to
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: eat you up and spit you out, you know what
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. And I knew that her first season. Stacy asked,
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: like I said.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Breath of fresh air.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: And you know why, because it wasn't all the fakeness,
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: you know, like, it wasn't like she's like trying to
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: be relevant, not a little. The story with the guy
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: was a little crazy, but at the same time it's funny,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: but you know, but it's Stacy's sold to beat her.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: It's just so different. But yeah, so I Stacy.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: In terms of friendship on the cast, I real friendship.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say I have a real thorough friendship with anybody.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Not even just Zaiah coul You too, seem to be
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the closest.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: I thought I did too.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: I think that this stuff is a business and people
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: will do and say anything to be where they are
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: and they don't care. Like when you have real friendship,
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: you care about your friends. You know what I'm saying.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: You don't try to set your friends up for a moment.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: You know, you don't lie on your friends. I remember
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: when I was uh put in the friend group, in
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: the friend category I was on. I had gotten a call.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: I'm in Canada with my kids at a Drake concert
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: and I get this phone call.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: It's a conference call.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: It's various people on the line, and this is going
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: into season three, I guess. And so right before we
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: filmed three, and I was told that because I wasn't
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: my authentic self that they were making me a friend.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: And so then I was just like, so, if I'm
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: not being me, who am I being? And the person
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: on the phone that was leading the conversation, I didn't
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: even know who I was talking to. So I'm just like,
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I don't even know who you are.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: So how do you know so.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: Much about me? Like, I don't even know who you are?
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: How are you telling me how I'm not being my
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: authentic self? Well, I learned later that my friends created
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: a narrative of me that wasn't true.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: And when they.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and when things happened the way they did, they
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: tried to go back in, but it was too late
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: from what I was told. So, no, I, Robin is
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: not on a show. Robin and I, I would say,
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: are genuinely friends.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Mecca.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I actually love Mecca. She and I are very good friends.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Monique and I were friends on the show initially, but
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: that mutual, that person that destroys stuff when it comes
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: to series. That's why she and I are not. We
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: ended up not friends.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm stuck on this.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: So just so I'm clear, you're saying to me, there's
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: a current housewife, a flute holder on Potomac and this
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: one person you're saying to me, Bruin your friend Chamnella
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: with Stacy, but also with Monique.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: M Yeah.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: And the this year when they had their sit down,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: they didn't air it, but I was told that I
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: was the reason why they weren't friends. They decided to
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: blame on me. I could blame for everything, Carlos, I'm
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: the reason why they're not friends. And then I was
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: saying to production, I wanted to have to sit down
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: with Monique like that if anything to me that was
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: well overdue, you know what I'm saying. I thought that
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: that would be interesting, and they kept procrastinating when it
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: never happened.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: But and I was gonna be real about it, because when.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Giselle and I had a conversation on camera where Giselle's
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: telling me something about me being the reason for the
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: issues between them, I said, no, no, no, let's talk about
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: this that it's not true. She suddenly she couldn't remember
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: why her and Monique fell out.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: I remember everything, and I'm going to tell the truth
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: about everything. One of the big did we not forget
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: the binder? Like I had nothing to do with none
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: of this stuff. So I got blamed for stuff I got.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: I was always the scapegoat to get stuff on the show,
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: like even the stuff with the trainer. Giselle says to Monique,
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: are you not talking to sheeries because she's going around
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: telling everybody about you and a trainer.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: I never said nothing that she's old by no damn trainer.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. But she wanted to get
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: that on the show. Nobody was even gonna talk about that.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: The person who was talking about it was Monique's best friend,
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: and Robin called me, and you know, I'm friends with everybody,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: so they knew something was going down. So it was
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: just like, something's going on. We know you can find
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: out what it is. So I put on my little
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: detective cab and then the girls. The girl called me
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: and told me everything I told Robin.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: That was it.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I was done with it.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: I wasn't even filming that year. Next thing, I know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: I'm saying that the baby is Chris might not be
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: the father. I mean, I'm blamed for everything. I never
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: said that. I don't I'm not in their bedroom. I
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: don't know who the father of anybody's child is. Like,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: but because she wanted to put that out there that
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: there was a question mark about it, I'm the person
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: who said it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: No I didn't. I never said that.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: So I'm always the fall guy, but I never I'm
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: never given I was never given the opportunity to defend myself.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: So for people.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Watching the show, I look like I said all this
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: stuff that I never said because I never got a
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: chance to defend myself.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: So it's what it is?
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: How good?
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: So my last question for you is not that you
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: were able to you know, tell us or to side
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: the story, because you know a lot of people did say,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: oh serie, you had every opportunity to read Ashley in
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: her faith, but you waited until after the show air.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Now now we know why everything transpired the way it did.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: You know, now we know that, what do you have
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: to say about this misconception that people do have of you?
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Sharies, Like you said, people think you're liar, they think.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: You're thirsty, they think these things about you.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: What is it that you would like.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: For people to know once overall who you really are
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: and why you think people got you confused?
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: You know, I, like I said, I just what I
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: reflect and I go back and review how things transpired
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: over the years. I just feel like when you have
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: people that come into this circle that say, even like
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: for the new.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Ones, if you're if you if you're in a.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: Sound relationship, if you have a little bit of coins
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: in your pocket, if you have something going, they like
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: to break you down.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: When I came in, when I the first season, and
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: I'm not I don't want to sound.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Like I'm bitter, No, not.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Bitter, but superfessional. I had the nicest home I had.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Those girls didn't even have attorneys. I did their contracts.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: My attorney did their contracts. Okay, the everything was in
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: my home. Our photo shoot was in my house. The
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: show there was you know how it is first season shows.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: There's not a lot of money.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: So all these things. It's so it seemed like, I.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Think it looked like it was about me, and people decided, no,
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: we gonna make it about us. Karen and Giselle aligned
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: and decided we're gonna erasereiks. They created a whole new narrative. Okay,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: and you probably don't know this, Carlos, Like, at one point,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: I imagine this, I'm like a self appointed casting person
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: for the show. Okay, I'm help Adrian. I'm helping Adrian.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: I'm setting up meetings and Starbucks meeting people because at
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: first we were trying to make it Potomac's people, and
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: I told him from the door, I said, Potomac people
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: are not gonna do the show. They don't have to,
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, They're not.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: And so.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Where it got to a point, I'm interviewing these people.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: I'm having casting parties I had. It was fun for me,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: you know, And like I said, I called Gazelle, I
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: called Gazelle, Robin, I called everybody.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I didn't call Ashley.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: I didn't know Ashley, but everybody else on the cast
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: was a result of me in some capacity.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Right. But then when.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: You go to shoot the pilot, you come up with
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: an idea to eliminate cheries. They were trying to make
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: a Jack and Jail. I'm the only one that's not
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: Jack and Jail. Okay, Gizelle's Jack and Jail, Karen's Jack
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: and Jill as she wasn't Jack and Jail, but she.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Had and trying to get Katie.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: They were recruiting Katie to get her kids involved in
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Jack and Jill.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: That was the storyline.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: However, like, and my thing is, how are you doing?
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: I'm not a part of Jack and Jail? Like, how
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: do you come? That was the beginning of trying to
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: exclude me from the ship, from from the group.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: You know, you felt that, you felt that even during
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the pilot. You feel strongly that even then before the
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: show got green Live, before the Showman aired, You've always
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: felt that Giselle and Karen were trying to ice you out.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. Fortunately
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Jack and Jill wasn't playing those games. They said, now
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: y'all can't say Jack and Jail, okay, so their little
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: idea that went away, so they couldn't even But.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Why do you think, okay, you think they were trying
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: to ice show off?
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: What?
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: What? What is your reason for believing that?
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: I think I personally felt like, like I said, I
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: had the home, I had all the things I Walt
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: connected in Potomac DMB.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: I had all these different things to make this thing
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: function for other people to shine, just like I honestly
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: like just don't carrying the name Grandam. That was because
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: that was her way of dimming my light, so to speak,
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: well seriously, and I know people are thinking, say what
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: they want, but it's the truth.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: If that's the case. Okay, if that's the case.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: If that's the case, a lot of people and I'm people,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: if that's the case, how are you able to be
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: friends with someone if that's if that's what you feel happening?
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: You know what, Carlos and all honesty before me and everything.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I am God's child, and.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: I believe everything that happens in my life happens for
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: a reason. Most times I don't know why some of
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: the things that happened happened, but they happened for a reason.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: I believe.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: Even with the show itself, even you know, I just
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: feel like knowing that things that were done that people
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: don't even know that I know about, God makes a
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: final decision. So I just felt like it wasn't If
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: it was meant for me to be in that space,
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: that's where I would be. So I never fought to
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: retain that space or get it again. But because I
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: put so much time and energy into the show, I
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: still wanted it to succeed, you know, and I still
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: I offered to do things and give other people credit
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: for it, like organize something and make make it somebody
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: else's event. I volunteer to do stuff, not even being
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: a friend or nothing, just because I wanted that show
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: to be successful. As a black woman. I wanted that
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: show to be I still saw it as my baby.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: I still wanted to do well without me, with or
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: without me, you know. And that's because I am a
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: chosen one, Carlos, I am a chosen child of God.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: And I don't hate you know. I know that for
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: me and on the show, I don't have that spirit
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: of wanting to tear down somebody's relationships, their character. I
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: am not a character assassinator. I'm just not her.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: It doesn't give me.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: I don't it doesn't feel good to tear somebody down.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: I'm not that girl, you know, so in that realm
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I am. But if you say something to me, if
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: you're coad that baby, I'll come back at you. But
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna initiate it. I'm not gonna try to
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: hurt you.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Karen. I loved Karen as a friend.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Karen and I were really friends at one point. But
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: I remember a time we were filming We're France, and
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: one thing I also like for me, I'm sort of
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: like an impath in a sense where I could feel
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: hurt when people were hurting, you know. And I remember
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: We're in France and I'm in a car and then
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: the scene I'm just looking at my phone. They were
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: going at Karen and I could feel Karen's pain so clearly.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: And when we got to our destination, I remember I
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: went to Giselle and I said, Okay, that's enough. I said,
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: she's going through something. I don't know what it is,
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: but she's going through something. There's some hurt there. Like everybody,
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: just leave Karen alone, you know. And she was left
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: alone for the rest of the trip. But it was
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: just like I literally came into a scenario where I
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: thought I had I was on a cast of friends
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: and I wanted us collectively to be the.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Best band in the world. You know what I'm saying.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Yea, And I.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Genuinely cared and genuinely loved my friend.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: But yeah, now, just looking at it, it's disheartening.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it's hurtful.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: When people have literally crucified your character to the point
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: where when people are when you're talking to people and
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: like same, it's like, yeah, okay, sure, he's like you,
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: you know, side out at me and I'm just like,
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: you know what.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Oh well, I will say this. Listen. One thing about
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: you that I know for sure is and this is
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: what we know.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: If a topic you are that girl like you, you
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: don't have to say it.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: You really go to these fifty thousand dollars play events,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: you know, like you really are involved in the upper
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: echelone of the world, especially in Potomac. And a lot
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: of girls in Maryland say, no, Charesa is actually the girl.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: So look similar to Nini, because you know Nini when
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Atlanta started, she recommended to Kim and charae and and
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: so so I'll just list producer. So I understand that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you know you want this show to be about friends,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: so you do work with somebody to to to categorize
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: and organize the rest of the situation. Ashley was auditioning
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: for this show called blussmedd and Hills that we're going
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: to do it in d C. And so she was
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: already on Bravos roster for other stuff, which is why
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: she got the Potomac thing. So look, I will say this,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: thank you for your services because you, so we appreciate that.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: And listen, I will say this, based on what you
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: have provided to this show. You know, you are somebody
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: who I I will say honestly, has always provided great commentary.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I think you're super funny. I do think you're super misunderstood.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: But I will see you too.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: I am, you know, But that's why, that's why I
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: always enjoy talking to you, Because listen, I have a
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: huge platform, so I know how you felt.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: You and I had a conversation all the time about
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: how you felt. And I knew when this whole situation
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: was happy with Ashley and you made a comment on Instagram,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: and you know, we did talk about it on my
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: show last week month and I live. I knew that
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: it was time for you to just say your piece
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: and to say it uninterrupted, to say it with somebody
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: who you can trust. And I'm happy you were able
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: to get things off your chest once and for all,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: because I do think it's it's necessary and it is
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: healthy for you and I'm happy you did it.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I honestly, I don't you know, I don't do no,
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: don't I don't do interviews.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: I think my last interview was you. I don't do interviews,
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: you know, and I really don't. I don't comment on
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: social media, even less it's positive. But I said about
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: what I saw the comment like I was in this space.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, and it's it's it's
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: it's so crazy. I think I was overwhelmed with being
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: misunderstood also, and it's like you don't for me, I
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: don't have an opportunity to express how I feel or
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: to give people a better picture, so I want to.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: It was funny because they said Shari's breaks are silence.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: I really did was at break up my silence. I
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: was just commented on I wanted to break up my silence.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: Oh and I was just like, oh my god. And
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: you know, and then I saw your people talk about
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: it all and yeah they were wrong, but you know,
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: it's like and just to answer another question, why And
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: I kind of touched on it a little bit, why
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: would I keep going back? And I that's a good
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: ask question, you know, like it's almost like an abusive
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: relate relationship. You know, it's like why do you keep
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: going back? You know?
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Because but I want to every.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Time I go back, I want to believe what they're
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: telling me is gonna happen.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: It just doesn't, you know.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: And I just feel like I'm portrayed as the bad
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: you know, a bad person, not a bad person.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: But no, I will say I will say this season.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Listen, this season, I felt like obviously you were portray
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: as a bad person. I felt like you always feel
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: like you're being you and I always think this. Now
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: that you're giving me some backstory, I now do see
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: things differently in terms of how other people operate around you. Like, listen,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: we saw a couple of seasons ago when baby you
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: and Karen had it how and you are slapping on
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: the table, like now, now we have a grand understanding, right.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: A real I'm a real chick, like say Astley.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: For example, when Ashley said King left on me one time,
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: I was ready to choke the bitch and I said it.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: I said, in that five seconds, I'm gonna fuck you up.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: And then later on after the season aired, we were
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: in a restaurant and I said to her, I said, Ashley, like,
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: for real, I don't play these games. If I say
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna fuck you up, I'm there. I don't do
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: fake TV.
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: And that was years ago that was that was like,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: was it too? I think I might even season two?
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: But I really wanted to that day. I like, I
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: really I wanted to choke that girl. I wanted to
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: take a life.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I So that's what I'm saying.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: I'm real. I just don't do fiic shit, you know.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: So that again, like with the Ashley thing, if they
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: wanted a real reaction, she should have told me, yeah.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: I slept with Jackson.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: She would have gotten one, you know, but she sugarcoated it,
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: and then on her confessional was a little different. And
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: then you go on these interviews saying whatever, but you
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: never said that to me, you know.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: So, But look, now we know why she didn't want
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: to get choub baby.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: And I'm too old to be choking people. But I'm
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: not against it if it's deserving.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Oh I love you so much. Look, thank you so
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: much for this. I know you're busy enjoying your holiday break.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: You know, listen, blonde do have more fun.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: So I'm happy now.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: So what's your status, Carlos since we last talked?
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, look, since we let me interview you for a second.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Why you got somebody to talk for me?
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: There's always somebody honey, but what is it.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Look, look, I'm outside and i'm you know, getting to
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: know people. M h yeah, you know. If there's a gift,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: if you have under the tree.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Let me know. Okay, and there we have it, and
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: and there we have it. Listen.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: I'm all about the Potomac Streets. I love I love
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: the men in d C.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: The gay ones. Child.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: I have a lot of friends, SKay, friends in DC,
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: and they are a lot of fun, a lot.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, you got somebody from me times I didn't.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: My Oh I actuldn't say my favorite friends. But you're Gregory,
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: not your take.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know, no, no, no, no, no, don't I
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: don't know who's who's great.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: Who's greg He was on the show with me season three?
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: I have to check, like Gregory. Yeah, okay, all right,
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: I'll call you.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I love it well, ses, I love you, baby, thank
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: you for this, and listen, I have a funny feeling.
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: Will see you again. Oh hey, oh baby, wake up.
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: The hibernations up with baby.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: We want to see we want to see some real
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: but shirks baby, but no author Tocie, Happy holiday, sweet Pee,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I love you, thank you, my best to the kids
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: to Jackson and we'll see them the next one.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, honey, Love you, bye bye, have you bo