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'My Skin Is The Greatest Sin I Could Have' — A Black Woman in Asia | BEST OF · Babes, how did you get here

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  Abigail is a proud journey who traded in the Caribbean sunshine for a Southeast Asian adventure.
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  She has lived here in Cambodia for the last three years, navigating cultural shifts,
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  finding her community and shaping the minds of young people along the way.
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  I am so excited for this conversation, bringing in those Caribbean island vibes to find out exactly
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  what her life looks like here, so far away from familiar shores. But also how her Caribbean roots
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  continues to shape and guide her every step of the way. But first, babes, how did you get here?
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  Friend, I don't know. I went on Google and I was like, hmm, what I've always wanted to get
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  come to Asia, always wanted to come to Asia. And I went on Google and I googled the easiest place
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  to get a job and a visa in Asia. Cambodia came up, I booked my flight and I came. Literally.
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  Simple. Did you know anything about Cambodia? I did not know a thing about Cambodia,
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  other than like the genocide they went through in the past. So my family was very skeptical
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  of me coming here. Are you an only child? Do you have something? I'm the oldest. You're the oldest.
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  I'm not the rock of the family.
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  Ceget that my parents breed. How old are you when you came to Cambodia?
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  I was 23. Okay, so you tell your parents I'm leaving and is it indefinitely at this point or
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  is it just I'm going to test it? Oh no, it was like indefinitely. It was like I'm leaving.
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  I want to live outside. Trinidad is a wonderful place, but it's so teeny tiny and small.
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  I just meant for something bigger, big country, a big continent.
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  And before you came, you already had the drum? No. So I came here and I did a Tefl certificate
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  in order to teach English. So I did one month living in Seattle and doing this Tefl certificate.
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  And then they promised to help you find a job. Okay. And whereas they did send up my CV and stuff,
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  all my jobs I've gotten it on my own. Oh really? Yes. They did try their best, you know, but
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  me I have a standard for myself. So I'm going with that standard, you know, I have my education
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  and stuff. So I'm going for a certain type of school because here in Cambodia, you can teach
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  without a degree. Okay. But it's not the best of schools, you know, so I know I have my education.
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  I want to make sure I'm at a good school, good benefits, good everything. Yeah. So the offering that
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  they were giving wasn't matching where you needed to be. Yes. Was it hard for you to find your own
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  job independently? So in the beginning, it was not very hard. Now it has become a lot more
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  stricter. Okay. But in the beginning, it was not hard, but my first job was not a good job.
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  In what way? In what way? In like these terms of benefit, salary, these kind of things. But
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  come in into Cambodia, I came on a tourist visa. Okay. And I will have to find a job that is
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  willing to give me the paper work. So I could fly out of Cambodia to what I went to Thailand. I
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  went twice. Okay. I went to the border with one school. They denied me my visa, the border,
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  the, the, um, and point pet. Okay. So I had to come back in on another tourist visa that school
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  did not accept me again. So therefore I had to go to another school. When I went to that school,
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  they graciously gave me the documents. And I this time I flew to Bangkok and I paid express.
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  Okay. Express to get the visa. So I got it done in one day. But now it's not like that.
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  Now you have to wait three days. Okay. There is no express service. It has no express service.
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  So I've actually done the procedure in Thailand with myself. And then I've helped one of my friends
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  go to Malaysia. And I did it with how I Malaysia to get her visa. So I'm an expert. No.
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  He said young people. I said young people's music. I said, okay, cool. Let's try another angle,
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  right? So I said, you watch Olympics. You ever watch running? And he said, I said, okay, cool.
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  So the fastest man in the world. So I bring it up because I'm like, no, man, this man knows
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  something about Jamaica. He don't know that. No, but no. So I bring up I bring up both on the phone.
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  I show him my man just shook his head. I have never I'm not exaggerating. I've been to many
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  places. This is the one. It happened this morning in the talk talk except I didn't go through
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  the whole thing again because I've gathered that they don't understand. So my point is is that when
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  you come here from Trinidad, no offense, but babes, it's them don't know Jamaica. They don't know
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  Trinidad. They don't know Trinidad. Are they then perceiving you as being from Africa? And if
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  that's the case, does that kind of change the dynamic because there's not a great representation
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  of African people here? I have worked my way in this country. They know where Trinidad and Tobago
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  is now. They know no. Right? I showed it when I go back home. I have to go and talk to the
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  prime minister, Ms. Kamala, Ms. Adbi Sasser and say excuse me because I please be the unofficial ambassador
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  for Trinidad and Tobago in Cambodia. Like literally because I have worked so hard. When I first
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  got here and I was going to Thailand for the first time, we needed visa still only this year,
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  you know, only this year last year, we got free visa and treat the Thailand. This woman
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  watched me in the Thai embassy and she was like, which she watched my passport. She was like Trinidad
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  and Tobago. I was just watching her and then she pulled out her people. She had a list of countries
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  African countries that cannot go into Thailand. She watched the paper. She watched it up. She
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  watched it down. I just watched it now because I know she's not going to find Trinidad name on that
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  passport. I'm on the paper and then she was like, which African country you from? I say,
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  Ms. I'm not from Africa. I'm from South America, but we are not South America. I just say that
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  because it's the nearest source. Yeah. You know, and she was like, you show you not from Africa?
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  I just watched her because what do you mean if I show I'm not from Africa? I know I come from
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  my passport is blue. That means it's a strong passport. Put some respect on my passport name.
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  You know, so like I have really worked in this country to make a name for Trinidad and Tobago
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  through social media. You know, even when I post videos and they go viral, the government
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  social media pages have reposted my videos using my name Trinidad and Tobago flag.
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  You know, so now it's much easier, but of course, the local people still don't know. But when I go
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  to immigration, the last time I left and I came back and I'm smiling because I smile at the
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  immigration officers. Hi, pal, how are you today? And I tell them we're to stamp in my passport.
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  Okay, because don't be going on stamp on a new page. Right. Don't do it. So I literally said,
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  let me go to Jamaica from England because it's nine and a half hours. And let me then come back
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  to England, spend a little week. And then because I was like connecting about three times,
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  who is doing this? So what I did, I flew from here to Guangzhou, China. Okay, we're China
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  southern. And town goad for China's southern. They do some overnighting.
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  Some hotel. Yes, three breakfasts. Really? And go in. The plane was practically empty. So I had a
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  hole for myself. That was three hours. And then from China, I had a 18 hour leave over. So
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  free hotel for any any leave over more than eight hours. Okay. Right. You just sign up before
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  hand. And even if you don't sign up beforehand, you just go by the desk and they put you in a hotel.
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  Amazing. Right. And of course, I reached nine o'clock in the night. So I made friend with my roommate
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  because they put us in a, like a hotel girl. Okay. They put me with a girl. Sure. And she was
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  young like my age. Okay. We went out and Guangzhou. We went out. We did the most city
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  content hours. Walk the, the food street. We did, we did the most. Then I came back and slept.
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  So got up the next morning. My flight is 12 hours from Guangzhou to the UK. Okay. And I bought
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  a wrong trip. So this is how I cut down and I spent only $1,500. Okay. A wrong trip from,
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  wrong trip from Cambodia to the UK. Right. So, and then the middle seat was empty. So thank the
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  Lord. The middle seat was empty. So me and this other Chinese lady, we, they are sharing the middle
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  seat off. I slept. I got to the UK. I learned and hit you. First time now, I had to go and take
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  train and London. Ask me if I could take the train and London. The only train available now is
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  the Picadilly line. Right. Slow. Oh, Jesus. So when you reach home, when I reach home,
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  after two, what is the two years and seven months? Yeah. Tell me how are you feeling? How are you
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  being received? Tom, I've been received. The disrespect I got to the immigration when I land
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  and I teach and I go five or six places all over Asia. And I have told these people where to
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  stamp in my passport. Very pleasant, very nice. Right. You know, not, was always met with a smile.
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  Okay. Snap. Right. I reach home and my immigration in my country. I said, hi, Mr.
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  Excuse, you could just stamp here? No. I'm like, I'm like, okay. So she gave me a
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  dish back attitude. You know, I said, okay. Then she flipped through my passport and she realized
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  I have a lot of stamps. Okay. And she was like, why this page? It was next to the Chinese
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  one day visa. Right. Because you could get some a little visa. Okay. Right.
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  She's like, why this page? I was like, well, it don't have to be this page. If you find another
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  page that have some space, you could put it. And she was just like, and she gave me my passport.
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  I was like, thank you. Then now I collect my bags for this carnival time. Okay. So they
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  were busy. I went outside time to see if you have anything to declare. I come home in two
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  years and seven months. So you know my bag. So the man, no, don't go to meet a nice man. Okay.
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  He was like, what's he having this bag? I was like, me? I don't have a thing in this bag. He was
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  like, were you coming from, he looking through my passport. I said, coming from Cambodia.
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  Were you doing quite that? I was like, well, I chose to live in Asia and you ain't bring
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  home nothing for your mother and your father. I said, nobody, send me out there. No, I choose to go
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  there by myself. I said, bring home one tissue for my mother. One tissue for my father.
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  One tissue for my sister. One tissue for my brother. And he was like, that's it. I was like,
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  of course, he left and he's like, go ahead now. So what did you actually have in this
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  suitcase? I had about a billion thing. There's a traditional scarf called a chroma. Okay.
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  I pack about 15. That's in my bag to give out for gift. Oh, that's nice. Then my mom, I had
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  carried three outfits for her Cambodia traditional outfits. One for my dad, one for my brother.
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  And then you know these, she was big up here. Okay. And I didn't like this woman for all the
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  tea in China. And she didn't like me. I used to get this one beer problems. Really?
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  No, I was good. I was good babes. I like doing well. I was good. I would push boundaries,
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  but in a way that was reasonable. And the thing I loved about my high school, it was a small school,
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  which I think is relevant in the sense that you can kind of have more room to find your
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  personality when it's a small school. I'd been to another school, which was a lot bigger. And I
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  just find that when it's a lot bigger, you can't really test the rules, right? You can't really see
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  how to navigate spaces because you're just one and only. You kind of have to fall in line. But
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  this teacher, this principal, sorry, when we had been one of our vibrant classes and the teacher
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  felt that it was a little older control, his punishment was you needed to go cut grass with
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  the scissors. And I'm talking like a field. So I'm sending everybody with scissors to cut grass,
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  right? And so I said to him, unfortunately, I have migraines and I can't be old in the sun.
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  So I appreciate that you need to discipline the class. But for medical reasons, I just don't
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  think it's an appropriate punishment. And come to think of it, I don't know how he put up with me,
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  but I didn't, I didn't get the punishment. I sat down. I sat down and I watched the rest of the
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  class. I would make your cone stones. I'm super like talking about it. No, I'm surprised that he
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  didn't give me some minutes to do. But I didn't. I just sat there. And the reason that's relevant is
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  because I feel like at high school, it was where it taught me how to kind of not weasel your way
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  out of things. But I think I learned how to get my own way in life because it was a small
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  enough school that I could have those one-on-one relationships with. Whereas if I went to like a big one,
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  I don't think I would have been able to do that. But yeah, they definitely didn't get away with
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  things. I think also because I was good in terms of academically. I remember one time I was in a
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  class and I was tired. And I said to the teacher, do you mind if I just put my head down? I don't,
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  like, for the class. And I'll do the homework. Whatever you're doing in class, I'll bring it tomorrow.
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  I just feel quite tired. And so she said, and she was known for being really strict. And so she let
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  me put my head down. And so a next boy raises his hand and he's like, and before he speaks, she says,
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  if you think you are going to make that request, I would suggest that you rethink your position.
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  Him don't talk yet enough. And him just look at me. I just smiled. You're not April babes.
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  So you're not going to get those privileges. And honestly, you have to get the grades,
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  right? I just too know the noise. Once you do it, my world, I don't have a problem with you.
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  Yes, because you're five, four, three, you know, two year olds, bear cry. You were with two
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  year olds, two years old, two and three year olds. Really? Yeah. I will never.
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  And now I'm teaching primary kids. Okay. And my kids, so I'm teaching seven, eight, nine, ten.
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  Okay. Right. And these kids, they don't speak English. Zero English. I'm Chinese, Vietnamese,
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  Taiwanese and Korean. Okay. So all of them in one class and best believe they play, you know,
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  and they cut and they communicate. I love it. No, no, no, no, no, go, go, go, go, go, you know,
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  but they're very active. And I think because of the language barrier, the thing they can push with me.
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  Okay. So when I punish, I punish like stand up in a corner, but I realize that some of them
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  enjoy standing in a corner. So now I have to make them. I'm going to implement like writing lines.
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  Okay. You know, and then you have these kids, these kids, these days are so actively always want to
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  up and stand up. One boy, he loves to start up and do his work. Okay. So I let, I allow him to
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  stand up and do his work because he's so smart. Sure. You know, he gets away with stand up and do
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  his work because he come, he's slow to complete his work. But when he does the work, it's correct.
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  Right. You know, one of the class sizes. So I have had 25. Okay. 20, 23 now 11. Okay. But not,
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  of course, the 11 will grow because it's now the beginning of the school school year. Okay.
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  So more people enroll their kids. Is that how it happens? Mm-hmm. Okay. It'll have a year
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  wrong enrollment and like more schools and parents are getting different contracts. They're
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  like while they not all come in at the same time. Like Cambodia is such a hub for experts. Okay.
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  That people are always coming and going. Coming and going. Right. You know, so people are always
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  leaving. They leave. They take their kids to another country and people are always coming in.
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  So they have to find some method for their kids when they're working here. You know, and then when
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  you leave a country like China, some more times these kids don't know any English. Right.
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  And they realize that to live abroad these kids need to learn English. Right.
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  So they put them in an international school where they would learn English
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  interact with different kinds of kids. Right. You know. So yeah. Do you prefer teaching
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  the kindergarten kids or do you prefer teaching the primary kids? After three years of kindergarten,
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  I am so grateful. Like I get to teach primary right now. Really? I'm tired.
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  Yeah. She's like, yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead towards it. She's like, yeah. And I'm there like,
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  I was like, tell her sorry now. And we're in the playground. I was like, tell her sorry.
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  Did she understand what the middle finger was? Maybe she never understand it. They understand
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  them. Turn smart. I have one bear curse. And then Michael has really. And I'm there like,
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  Michael me a standing corner. And he's in the corner playing because the corner is enjoyable.
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  Right. You know, these kids are so smart. They don't know how to do the school. But they know
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  of course, but yeah. You know, these kids, you know, sometimes I just laugh with them because
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  they're just so funny sometimes. Even in their bad behavior, I put one to stand up in our corner
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  and we go in truly funny. So I answer my hand. I answer my hand. And we reach the tea.
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  And for the life of me, I couldn't remember when I was trying to smash it. Okay. And you have
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  the end. And he is free. It's in the corner. He's not watching me. And he's like teacher
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  when I was trying to smash it. I was like, which all of us just start a laugh. You know,
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  and I say, go on. So, you deserve this. So, go on. So, you know, these kids just make me laugh
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  sometimes in their little misbehaving. So, you know, they just, they bring joy to my life to be
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  honest. Do you enjoy teaching? I enjoy teaching. It's not the career that I want to do. But I enjoy it.
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  I want to go into marketing and these kind of things. That's what I love. Okay. You know, but it's
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  so hard because they will not hire a foreigner that does not speak. Come on. Okay. Because there are
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  a lot of jobs. And then there are so many Filipinos here. You know, when one person gets in,
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  they help the whole country. So, when one Filipino in a position, because a lot of hotels look for
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  marketing agents, right? And I have applied. God knows I have applied, you know? And one Filipino
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  in, of course, they'll get the other Filipino graduate. Right. You know, so how is your
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  kamae? I know you can run a market, but in terms of would you be able to work in corporate settings?
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  Okay. Are you thinking about learning kamae? Absolutely not. Really? You try learning kamae and
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  come back and tell me. I write one sentence. It takes me 15 minutes. You can write? No. I try. But
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  speaking, I mean, I don't think that my natural tone lends to Southeast Asian languages. However,
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  all I have in the couple of days that I've been here is su su dai, su su bi, kom plua,
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  twins. Oh, okay. That's my vocabulary. Yeah. For obvious reasons. Obviously,
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  and what is lovely, and you touched on it when you spoke about your kid, the kid in your class
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  and playing, it's like, I will say, come out to the talk talk and say, thank you initially,
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  and then correct myself. Before I can correct myself to say, okay, my children are like,
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  you cannot say, thank you. They don't speak English. It's, okay, babes. I was, I was, I was coming.
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  I can guarantee. Really? Because I'm watching your kids speak in French. How did they even learn French?
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  They don't have enough friends to speak in country. Should we go to China for a year?
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  Go to China for a year and bring me. Is that where you want to go?
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  Ah, China. They make money in China in teaching or just in China. They pay for, they pay for your
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  flight to get there. They pay for their visas. They give you a two-year contract. They pay for
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  your house. And then they give you a salary. And then they, maybe the house costs the school or
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  whatever. Some schools have shuttle. If you spend money, you spend money because you want to spend
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  money. No, because you have to. So what is stopping you from, from getting to China?
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  Oh, Lord. You see this here? Really? This is the greatest thing I have born with.
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  I love my skin. Sure. But this is the greatest thing a black person could have.
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  Really? If you're not secured in yourself and you come out here and you don't know yourself as
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  a person, you will be shamed for having this. Is that Cambodia as well? It's just the region.
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  Okay. On a whole. Really? You know? I have to be like, oh, you are so dark.
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  People watch me in my face. I have a friend, one of our teaching assistants, they were like,
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  oh, teacher, last year your bottom was so big. And it was not nice. And now it's nicer this year.
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  And there are things with that in Vietnam, the worst thing you could say to a woman is you have
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  beautiful brown skin. I was like, oh, okay, cool. So fast forward, we are in Vietnam earlier this year.
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  And I'm like, oh, I wonder what the temperature is going to be in terms of culturally, not in terms
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  of heat. Because I'm like, no, you're traveling with children. How are we going to be received? And
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  as a black person, I think it's fair to say that we have to think about how are people going to
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  receive us when we travel? Yes. What I found quite interesting is they clearly had their
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  prejudices within Vietnamese culture. Because like what you're saying, I was surprised to see
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  bleaching billboards in Malaysia as an advertising clinics for bleaching. I was like, okay, cool.
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  Because of course, I know bleaching from a Jamaican company. I'm not saying that we don't have
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  that issue. Yes, of course. But it would never be advertised. You wouldn't have a billboard.
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  It's something you do on the don't know, right? And people see your knuckles and they're like,
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  you know what I mean? It's not like you're just going to be, oh, I'm going to go to the clinic today.
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  So I was quite taken aback also very ignorantly. I look at Asian people as being pale. So the idea
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  that you were trying to bleach, I was taken aback because I thought bleaching was a black thing.
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  I never knew that bleaching was such a culturally normal thing in this part of the world.
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  A pair, a pair like, to me, Cambodian people are dark skin. From their ancestors when you watch
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  all these ancestral things, their brown skin. And they signify that when going out and they rise
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  feels like you're in the sun. That means you have a low class. But if you get to stay inside,
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  then you're of a high class. Okay. You know, it's just a culture. And how does that translate?
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  Do they apply those same prejudices to you? Do you feel? Yes. Okay. So like, when I went to the province,
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  I, it's hot, right? So I went to Camponcinoan province because I have one of my teaching assistants
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  from my previous school. Okay. We are, we are friends. We're friends now. And I'm her son's
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  godmother. Oh, really? So I send money for him every month when I get pay, I send $10 or
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  $15, you know? And how, how, how, how's the road floods because they're not riverbank? Okay.
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  So then this time the whole river comes up. It comes up literally to the house. The house on
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  still like this, right? And we are in the boat going and I am a tube top. Right? And my legans
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  right because it's hot. My girl come outside with a hot long sleeve long. She's like,
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  teacher, no, where this way? This cover up. You get more dark. Okay. You know, but she's saying it's
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  so innocently and out of care. Out of care. Yeah. But then there are the times when you have
• 24:55
  encountered it where people were like social media. Um, I did a video where I went to this factory
• 25:02
  and it's like income would you get cheap clothes? 50 cents a dollar in these factories. Right.
• 25:09
  Somebody was like, go back to Africa with your black self. Africa has three clothes. No,
• 25:15
  not really. I read, but it does not have a tail at all. It's like a stump. I don't want to.
• 25:19
  It's like a stump, but it's like a family tarat. Okay. Right? And like say, this is the world for
• 25:26
  our house. Sure. And by that chair right there, they would come down and my parents always
• 25:30
  throw their food bills and stuff like to feed it. Yeah, to feed it and they come down and then
• 25:34
  they never any back. Here's a commenter's gone and we and he's shooting because this time you feed
• 25:42
  it to kill it. What kind of evil business is that? Well, we're not eaten at the level. It's
• 25:45
  not eaten at all. You know, we're not eaten at the day, but at one time he's from all this
• 25:50
  should just go because like it's a hunting gun only there. I think where it becomes
• 25:59
  concerning is when we're talking about young people, when we talk about people who are not
• 26:06
  willing participants, but are trying to survive. Yes. Right. And I think that in Cambodia, particularly
• 26:13
  what struck me was we move in to our Airbnb on the first night in Phnom Penh and this hasn't
• 26:20
  happened to me anywhere else in Southeast Asia, which is why it struck me as quite interesting.
• 26:25
  Within 20 minutes, my kids are literally gone to the bathroom before them even leave the
• 26:29
  bathroom a card slides under the door, advertising services. Okay. I'm not exaggerating within 20
• 26:37
  minutes of my arrival. So someone has clearly seen or know that you have just arrived. Yes.
• 26:41
  Let me let you know what is on offer. Yes. And I was like, damn, you didn't like,
• 26:47
  you didn't wait. It's clearly a known thing. Okay. Because it just seemed so quick.
• 26:53
  And I haven't experienced that anywhere else for me. And so I was like, wow, it must be
• 27:00
  quite, quite common and quite necessary, I think, for a lot of people. And then my concern is that
• 27:10
  are there other means, other avenues for women to find a way out of their circumstances financially?
• 27:18
  Or do you think that it is a real solution for so many women here that they find themselves
• 27:25
  having to do it rather than wanting to? It's a lifestyle here because
• 27:30
  Cambodia, but I don't know if you have the Central Maker, but the international education is free.
• 27:36
  Okay. Right. The government pays for the first degree. But here, education is not free.
• 27:41
  Right. No, I don't think so. And let's take it for the first degree.
• 27:43
  The PFA degree? Yeah, my girl. Check out the oil money.
• 27:46
  Here we are. Exactly. We need to find some too.