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This Week In Track & Field: Recapping The Rest Of The London Diamond League + Preet’s Perspective Watching Josh Kerr’s World Record In-Stadium · The CITIUS MAG Podcast | A Running + Track and Field Show

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  It is July 20th. I'm Chris Chavez.
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  I'm pretty much here. And this week in track and
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  field, we're still riding the high from Josh Kerr's 34266 mile
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  world record. We got on the Mikes immediately
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  following the meet to do an emergency podcast.
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  So if you're looking for our analysis and feelings fresh off
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  of that race, you can check that episode out that Kyle and I
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  produced. But it's time now that we hear
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  from the man who was in the building, Preet, what are your
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  reflections on just let's start with just that performance and
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  that race. What was it like being in the
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  stadium? I know it's many times like you,
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  you have to spend a lot of time in the mix zone, but did you
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  manage to go out to see it or what?
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  Like take us, take us in your shoes.
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  Yeah, I mean, I, I think if you've like, if you've ever been
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  to any big stadium, right, it takes a long time getting in and
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  out around the stadium. I'm not a big fan of that
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  stadium for that reason. It's just a bit of a pain to, to
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  find your way around. But what I made sure to do on on
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  Saturday was to find a way to what was the most efficient
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  route to get from the mix, zone up to somewhere I could watch
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  the race and then get back down again.
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  It's about 8 flights of stairs. So I, I, I, I, I, I, I took,
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  well, thankfully there was a lift to go up, but I took the
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  lift up as soon as, you know, with about 10 minutes before the
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  race, just to make sure I had enough time to go and find
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  somewhere to sit. And I found a seat.
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  I'm regretting my choices spot because it was kind of it was
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  one of those accessible seats just on the concourse.
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  So it wasn't like with in the middle of the crowd.
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  So when I was watching the race, I maybe didn't get the full
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  atmosphere because I didn't really have anyone.
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  I didn't have actually, I had absolutely no one next to me.
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  So it was a little bit, I maybe should have picked a better
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  spot, but it was, you know, it was loud in that stadium.
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  I think Kyle said he saw a video like, yeah, I it was, it was
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  immensely loud in that stadium. It was.
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  And and I think the tension kept on building.
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  And I think that's one of the the magic, I think a little bit
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  of the wave lights, right, Because if you don't have the
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  wave lights right, other than the, you know, the stadium
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  announces Jeff Whiteman there. He's really good.
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  But at the same time, like you could only say so much about the
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  splits. It doesn't really like people in
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  the in the crowd aren't really going to understand what the
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  splits mean. So as you're watching it, if you
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  don't have the wave lights, you don't really know what is
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  happening in the race relative to that world record attempt.
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  And I think this is where from an audience perspective, it was
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  incredible to watch because you could see they were on it.
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  The kind of the paces, where the paces got to and there were
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  maybe, you know, a couple of metres behind as the the second
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  pace that kind of dropped out. And then Josh managed to kind of
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  catch up to the front of the lights and then hold it and then
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  keep on going. And the tension just kept on
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  building. And it was that was brilliant to
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  watch. And I think for a race that's of
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  that length, like 4 minutes is the perfect length, I think for
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  that level of tension to hold. I think if you have it for like
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  a 5000 meter race or 10,000 meter race, it doesn't hold.
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  It has to drop, right, because the energy will drop the you
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  can't. But I think that race was, you
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  know, 4 minutes is long enough for that for that to kind of
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  hold. And obviously having Yarrow
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  there with him until what's the bow?
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  And then Josh just kind of pulls away or in sort of Josh kind of
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  accelerated very slightly, yared the wheels kind of fell off a
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  little bit. But obviously that was very
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  dramatic. And that moment, I think in the
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  races when people started feeling this is going to happen.
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  And so, yeah, it was it was it was a really great experience.
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  I must admit I didn't get to absorb it fully because I
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  realized as soon as it finished, I kind of stood there for about
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  30 seconds and I was like, I better Sprint down to the mix
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  zone, get down these eight flights of stairs because, and,
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  and as it, as it turned out, like especially all the
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  Americans, they came through pretty quickly, right?
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  And so I ended up getting Yaron the Goose, Nathan Green and Sam
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  Prakel all together. So I've got like an interview
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  with three of them together. But, you know, so I had to kind
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  of Sprint down for mix zone. And yeah, so that was kind of, I
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  didn't get as much time as I would like to digest it in the
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  moment, but you know, the privilege of being there.
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  And I think the other part of it perhaps is the bit before the
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  race, right, because Friday night, well, Friday, I suppose
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  there was a press conference. So there I got the chance to
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  speak to a little bit to Danny Mackey.
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  I didn't interview him, but I had a bit of a chat to him and
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  it was really interesting right there.
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  The the vibe was they were, you know, they were happy the time
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  had come, I think, because the build up had been, you know, so
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  much. And it it it sounds like daddy
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  wasn't like wildly key that Josh had kind of called his shot so
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  early, right. But at the same time, like, and
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  also the like the pacing, right, they were worried.
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  They were, they were slightly worried about the pacing, right?
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  Like that was that was one of the concerns.
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  Like is the pacing going to go far enough?
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  Is it going to be strong enough? Obviously they had Brandon
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  Kendra, I think they were confident that he could do his
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  seven 5800 meters. But at the same time, I think
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  they had a third pacer lined up. He dropped out like there was
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  there was a little bit of stuff there, right?
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  And it was, but you could see like when that 1200 meter
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  workout dropped, obviously on Friday night.
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  And then obviously our group chat went wild.
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  I don't really know what what what they splits meant, but I
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  kind of trusted what what you, you and Carl and Matt were
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  saying that like this kind of shows he could probably do it.
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  And that's maybe when I started to believe I was at dinner when
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  the workout dropped on the next table with Dathan Ritzenheim,
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  Yaron the Goose and Robert Falcon at dinner.
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  And I was like, should I tell him?
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  But I didn't dare. But, you know, it was.
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  That was quite fun. But yeah.
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  And that's that's the other great thing about London, Like
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  that vibe. You do get that vibe because
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  there are so many restaurants and stuff.
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  The hotel and and everything is right in the vicinity of the
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  stadium and there's just a whole load of restaurants.
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  And we were literally in the restaurant that was right next
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  to the hotel. So there were loads of people in
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  there. Trevor Painter was in there as
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  well. Paula Radcliffe was in there
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  like, yeah, so it was kind of a bit of a who's who in in the
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  restaurant and like you get the vibe right.
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  That's the other thing I love about that London in general,
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  but I think it built. It built because, yeah, that
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  workout dropped. I think that helped.
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  I don't know how far that kind of thing breaks through kind of
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  outside of our kind of community, but at the same time,
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  for us, obviously it made it a lot more exciting.
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  And I think, yeah, when it got to the like, when it got to the
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  race, like you could see it, you know, people were waiting for it
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  and, and, and it kind of delivered and yeah, absolutely
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  loved it. And, and just speaking to, you
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  know, people afterwards as well, right?
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  You could, I think that, you know, that moment where Josh
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  where Josh was talking to Hannah England in the mix zone.
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  And I think, you know, if you watch, watch most of Josh's
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  interviews after the race, there's loads of them out there
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  now. He's been doing the media rounds
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  today and yesterday and, and whatever.
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  And, you know, there's loads of interviews out there with Josh
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  now, but, you know, and he says a lot about a lot of things
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  about his team and, and, and all of that, how all the pieces came
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  together. But I think that moment, the
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  probably the only moment he's gotten truly emotional was that
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  moment in the mix zone where he was asked, like, what has the
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  toll of this whole thing been on you?
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  Like what has been the mental kind of toll?
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  Because I think that is the toughest thing.
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  He had his first beer since he got married in December on
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  Saturday night, right? He has not had a beer in six
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  months. And for a Scotsman, that is
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  really, really tough, right? I tell you how hard that that
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  is. Like, if you ask any Scotsman,
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  that's like possibly the the worst punishment you could
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  possibly imagine, you know? And so he, he is so locked in.
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  And I think, and I think it's great that he called a shot.
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  And as Tim Hutchings said on the broadcast, it was so ballsy and
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  and he delivered, absolutely delivered.
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  Yeah, no, it's been one of those races that like your whole, like
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  I think my whole the rest of my Saturday, I was just sitting on
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  my computer for a lot of that afternoon clipping parts of the
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  podcast 'cause, you know, it was such a fun discussion and then
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  texting friends and all that kind of stuff about, you know,
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  what, it just gone down. And then you do start to see the
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  ripple effects like of it really breaking through into the
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  mainstream sports like conversation.
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  Yes, the World Cup is is happening, but there are so many
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  tweets that I've seen out there of someone repurposing some part
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  of the race video and, you know, sharing how mind blowing the
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  performance is. Like there are NFL players, NBA
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  players tweeting that clip out. And it's just really cool.
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  The broadcast itself, I guess the, the camera shots that they
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  got of him in the final 100 meters.
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  It's not like he's, you know, running across the finish line
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  and, you know, immediately collapsing.
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  And it's like this ugly world record.
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  He crossed that finish line and was absolutely pumped, jumping
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  up and down screaming. And it just was, yeah, just
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  still really, really cool to see.
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  I've watched back, you know, so many of those clips multiple
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  times all throughout the weekend.
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  And then it's also been fun the conversations that have spurred
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  afterwards. Like we post some of those clips
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  discussing, you know, the greatest of all time
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  conversation, and then the comment section gets going
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  there. And that was just us, you know,
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  kind of talking without necessarily having everyone's
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  resume in front of us of like, here's what this person did and
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  this person did that. Now a couple days later and back
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  on the mic here, Josh has his work cut out for him in order to
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  ever be called, I think the greatest of all time in the in
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  the 1500 and mile. Because one person we didn't
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  even mention in that and who was in the stadium was Sevco. 2
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  Olympic gold medals also, you know, held records for, for many
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  years. I think he's, he's also maybe
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  still ahead of Josh because of, you know, the Olympic gold
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  medal. So Josh might be #4 right now in
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  the, and he has kind of already acknowledged in some of these
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  interviews that he's done afterwards that he really needs
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  that Olympic gold medal in LA as part of a big, it's a big part
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  that's missing from his legacy. So he's got the fast time, and I
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  fully expect him to go after the 15101 at some point this season
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  as well. We're slated to talk to Josh on
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  Wednesday for an episode of the City of Smack podcast.
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  And so I've been doing my best to try and keep tabs on
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  everything that he said so far. So it's not sort of repetitive,
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  but it will be a fun way to kind of bookend the fact that he came
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  on this show back in March, announced the the attempt, and
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  now we get to reflect on just sort of the performance
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  afterwards. So yeah, then it was also just
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  sort of, I think it was PJ Bozell tweeted at me about that
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  Nordine Morcelli had like a 48 race win streak or something
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  like that at one point. And I was like, well, if Josh is
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  ever going to have a 48 race win streak, that'll that'll go to
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  2048 because he doesn't even race all that much.
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  So yeah, it's just so many different eras.
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  And it's it's it's, but Josh is clearly the best of, you know,
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  you can make the Casey's the best of this era so far.
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  But again, like Jacobs got the fast times and already an
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  Olympic gold medal. He's just missing the world
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  we're. Going to take this podcast to
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  kind of look back at all the other performances that got
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  overshadowed at, at this meet. And then, you know, later this
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  week, we, Kyle and I will drop AUS as preview episode in
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  addition to the Josh podcast. And then we'll do daily shows
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  throughout the weekend from USA. So going to be a busy week on
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  the podcast feed for people. So be sure you are subscribed
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  and following the cities Mag podcast on your favorite podcast
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  player. And yeah, so I guess like, let's
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  let's begin with some of these other marquee races from from
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  London. The first thing, the first one I
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  want to go to is the women's 800 because it was the one that
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  closed out the meet. And in the months leading into
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  it, it was also another one that was billed as a world record
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  attempt. And both you and I over the
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  course of the last two weeks have tapered our expectations
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  for it. And So what we ended up seeing
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  was Keely Hodgkinson reasserting herself as one of the best in in
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  the 800 right now by getting the victory in one 5621, maybe a
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  time that she wasn't, you know, crazy thrilled about.
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  And had Georgia Hunter Bell not scratched from from this race
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  due to I think she just had like an illness come up over the last
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  couple weeks, maybe they like this.
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  This win wouldn't have been as as certain because, you know,
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  like you, I think kind of pointed out if it was a 156
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  race, then Georgia also is is in contention for this one.
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  But Keely got the win separate herself a bit from Femka Bowl,
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  who still looked like she had one more gear to go and just
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  wasn't ready to, you know, kind of go all out it.
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  But it's also just kind of the way she looks while she's
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  running the 800. It it just you're you're
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  screaming at the TV, like just kind of saying like, go, go, go,
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  like, because she's not pumping her arms like everyone else is.
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  She's just got like a much more subdued.
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  Form when it comes to running the 800, but she still pops
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  another 15646 for for 2nd place. Beats Siga Deguma, and yeah, it
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  was so this one just ended up being Keely getting her swagger
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  back. Yeah, I agree with that.
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  And, and I think, you know, having spoken to both Trevor
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  and, and Jenny this weekend as well, I think, you know, this
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  was they were happy with, with, with where things are AT.
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  And, and I think they acknowledged that, you know,
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  like Keely, the fool that happened, They, they made, you
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  know, they told us a bit more about what had actually happened
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  now, which is that there was a great like, and Keely said it as
• 20:58
  well. I think it was in the press
• 20:59
  conference, but. There was a.
• 21:00
  Metal great on the ground, Which when she fell, she, she landed
• 21:05
  on that metal grate, which is why her knees were cut up.
• 21:08
  So it wasn't just falling on, on the road or something.
• 21:10
  It was literally on this metal grate, which is why her knees
• 21:14
  were so cut up by it. So, yeah.
• 21:18
  And, and I think as we said at the time, like that is not
• 21:21
  something that's easy to, to, you know, it just hampers you,
• 21:24
  right? It makes you feel uncomfortable.
• 21:26
  You need to recover this pain. There's there's discomfort,
• 21:29
  there's swelling, there's all sorts of things.
• 21:31
  And, and that just kind of, you know, when you're elite athlete
• 21:34
  trying to perform at your very best and do workouts your very
• 21:36
  best, that that's very difficult to, to deal with.
• 21:38
  And I think she handled it admirally.
• 21:42
  She got the job done here. She won the race, which was,
• 21:48
  which was the most important thing, I think Shafiq Qui
• 21:51
  Maloney, I assume having a pacemaker of that calibre.
• 21:55
  She was presumably hired at the point that they thought this
• 21:58
  might be some sort of world record attempt.
• 22:02
  But obviously she didn't in the end surprisingly get out all
• 22:05
  that fast. Like she she was behind, you
• 22:08
  know, she was what, 56557, you know, so they went through in 57
• 22:12
  rather than they were expecting to go through in 50.
• 22:15
  Yeah, they were expecting to go through in 55.
• 22:17
  So I think that was maybe, you know, if they'd gone through in
• 22:23
  55, maybe it would have been a 155 race.
• 22:25
  But I think the other thing to to remember is that so pre pre
• 22:33
  the pre classic was Keely's 50th sub two performance.
• 22:38
  And this was her whatever 19th sub 157 performance.
• 22:43
  And like no one is even vaguely close to that in terms of
• 22:48
  consistency. So she continues to deliver that
• 22:50
  consistency. But Femker is getting better and
• 22:53
  better, right? Femker is really getting better
• 22:55
  and better. And yeah, there is there is a
• 22:57
  question there of because I think what she has said in
• 23:01
  interviews and stuff is she's scared about that last 200.
• 23:05
  Like she's scared of that, you know, that feeling that it's
• 23:09
  going to going to feel like in that last 200.
• 23:12
  And that's that's what she's kind of trying to overcome and
• 23:14
  to be more confident in in those last 200 meters of the race.
• 23:19
  And I think she's slowly obviously gaining that
• 23:24
  confidence. We can see that.
• 23:26
  But yeah, as you say, I don't know whether it's just how she
• 23:30
  looks that she's not going all out or whether maybe there is
• 23:33
  something more there that she could put into it to actually,
• 23:37
  you know, I don't know. It's hard to tell, right?
• 23:40
  But that'll be fascinating to see.
• 23:41
  And as I say, Europeans might be the time that she tries to.
• 23:45
  Throw it all through all of the wall, right?
• 23:47
  So that that could be very exciting.
• 23:51
  But yeah, I mean, there was a fantastic actually interview.
• 23:53
  The BBC had Keely and Josh together being interviewed.
• 23:57
  And it was it was, it was actually quite fun because
• 24:00
  obviously Josh praised Keely for her consistency and her ability
• 24:04
  to perform. And Keely basically called Josh
• 24:07
  completely crazy for like having been locked in for like 6
• 24:09
  months, not racing at all. And yeah, that, that was pretty
• 24:14
  fun. But I think it was nice to have
• 24:16
  those those two stars there to close out the meet.
• 24:20
  And yeah, yes, we're. All hoping for a bit more.
• 24:24
  Had things been going to plan? But I think this was it gave the
• 24:28
  crowd the win, which is what everyone wanted.
• 24:31
  If, if someone were to ask you, would you rather have like say,
• 24:39
  all right, the resume stops here, like would you rather have
• 24:43
  Keely's career or Josh's career right now?
• 24:49
  Like this is this is it. Like everything they've amassed
• 24:52
  up until this point is what you? Get Keely's got the Olympic
• 24:57
  gold, right. Keely has the Olympic gold and I
• 25:00
  think, and I think you will, if you have the Olympic gold, you
• 25:02
  will always have. So you know, Dame Kelly Holmes,
• 25:06
  who won the 815 double, you know, she at the Olympics, she,
• 25:12
  you know, she is still a legend in this country, right?
• 25:14
  She's an absolute legend. And I don't think a Steve Cram
• 25:20
  or even a Sebco is at the level of if you if you say the name
• 25:23
  Dame Kelly Holmes, that will evoke much more of a reaction.
• 25:27
  And I think that is that's probably the point there that
• 25:31
  what Josh did on this day was amazing.
• 25:34
  But it it won't in terms of achievements, it may not stand
• 25:39
  the test of time in the same way that that an Olympic gold does.
• 25:43
  And that's, you know, that we, we've had this conversation
• 25:45
  about our sport many times that unfortunately, you know, for
• 25:49
  better or for worse, the Olympics are where it's at,
• 25:53
  right? The Olympic gold, like even if
• 25:55
  you won world championship golds, it doesn't matter if you
• 25:59
  haven't won an Olympic gold, it doesn't give you that
• 26:03
  breakthrough in, in the kind of, you know, zeitgeist, in the kind
• 26:07
  of where, where people are, you know, where people who are not
• 26:11
  fans of, of the sport like us, you know about you know who you
• 26:16
  are. And I think that's where that's
• 26:18
  why Keely was the last race at this meet, even though Josh was
• 26:21
  doing the world record attempt. And I think, yeah.
• 26:27
  And also it's also really interesting.
• 26:29
  Like obviously the other thing that someone pointed out the
• 26:31
  very next day, the homepage of the BBC Sport, the BBC Sport,
• 26:36
  not even the main BBC, the BBC Sport website, there was zero
• 26:40
  stories about Josh Kerr. There was a story about, there
• 26:43
  was, there was a story about Keely Hodgkinson, but there were
• 26:47
  zero stories about Josh Kerr. And obviously the reason for
• 26:50
  that was it was the day of the World Cup final and the World
• 26:54
  Cup final is the biggest event in sport for the UK, full stop.
• 27:00
  Regardless of the fact that England won in it, that is the
• 27:03
  event. And I think the good thing is,
• 27:07
  and I think, and I think, you know, even Josh I think was on
• 27:09
  the BBC morning show the next day and he was like the 5th or
• 27:13
  the 6th item on the agenda. And he called it out like
• 27:16
  because he's been very vocal about the fact that we want to
• 27:18
  give our sport this profile. And that's why he does these
• 27:21
  things. That's why he did this in the
• 27:22
  stadium in the way that he did it.
• 27:24
  And it was only the even though he was there in person on the
• 27:27
  BBC sofa, he was still the fifth or sixth thing in the in the
• 27:31
  sport rundown. And I think obviously it's a
• 27:34
  little bit of an unfortunate kind of thing of timing.
• 27:36
  This London Diamond League was the day before the World Cup
• 27:38
  final. It was also that evening England
• 27:41
  won 6 four against France in a in a, in a bizarre.
• 27:44
  Yeah, it was a crazy match. And yeah, that that was all kind
• 27:49
  of going on as well. So there was a lot going on in
• 27:51
  the sports world and also I think a lot of the regular
• 27:56
  analysts who are sports journalists, who are, you know,
• 27:59
  keen track aficionados were actually at the World Cup.
• 28:02
  So they weren't there as well, which is a little unfortunate.
• 28:06
  But I think at the same time Josh has been very clever
• 28:11
  because the good thing is he's got the Commonwealth Games and
• 28:14
  thankfully that World Cup final wasn't very interesting.
• 28:16
  So it'll get forgotten in the next day or two.
• 28:19
  And I think with the hype and the build up to the Commonwealth
• 28:22
  Games, he's got an opportunity to kind of hit some pages later
• 28:27
  on in the run up to those Commonwealth Games or shortly or
• 28:30
  as a part of that. So I think that's that's
• 28:34
  probably the the clever thing that he's done that he's now
• 28:37
  going to be here for the next couple of weeks doing the media
• 28:39
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  Can I ask a very American question?
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  Sure. OK, does this get Josh knighted
• 31:02
  or anything special? Because possibly he's Sebastian
• 31:08
  Coe's Lord Coe, right? So what is exactly?
• 31:11
  What does he have? So I mean, yeah, I mean I think
• 31:14
  he'll he'll get some kind of honours.
• 31:18
  Keeley got a Member of the Order of the British Empire, so an MBE
• 31:24
  after their 2024 Olympic gold medal.
• 31:28
  So that's probably what he'll get.
• 31:29
  I mean, I wouldn't be, I mean, I think and MO got knighted, he
• 31:34
  became so Mo Farah. But I think that was right.
• 31:38
  I, I can't remember that was after he retired or like, it
• 31:41
  kind of feels like being knighted is more kind of towards
• 31:43
  the end of your career as a legacy thing.
• 31:47
  And I'm not sure that Josh has quite got that on the resume yet
• 31:53
  given, you know, it took all those Olympic golds and things
• 31:57
  for for me to get that and stuff.
• 31:59
  So I think it'll be a little bit further along the line.
• 32:02
  But if he, if he. Got knighted in 2017, so that's
• 32:06
  right after he retired. And, and just Dennis Hill was
• 32:11
  probably also similarly kind of in, in 2017 or something, I
• 32:15
  think. Women are knighted.
• 32:16
  Too. Well, yeah, they become dames,
• 32:19
  but it's the equivalent honour for women, yeah.
• 32:22
  And said OK, so it's Dame Kelly Holmes for that reason.
• 32:26
  Correct. Yes.
• 32:27
  And why is why is Sebco Lord Co? Where does that?
• 32:32
  He's also the knight. It's because he's also a member
• 32:37
  of the House of Lords. So that's a different, it's a
• 32:39
  different thing and it's not it. That's kind of more because he's
• 32:45
  also a political animal because he he also obviously he chaired
• 32:49
  the 2012 Olympics and did all of that.
• 32:51
  So that kind of you. Really think Dame Kelly Holmes
• 32:55
  is a bigger name than Sebco in the UK.
• 33:02
  I mean Seb Co. He touches politics, He touches
• 33:04
  the. Olympics Seb Co maybe maybe Seb
• 33:07
  Co is bigger but but. She's on TVA lot.
• 33:12
  Yeah, it's Kelly. Like, like people like Dave
• 33:15
  Kelly Holmes, like and and Mo Farah and like they are just at
• 33:20
  this hill like they are. And maybe there's a bit of
• 33:23
  recency bias and of what I saw when I was growing up and stuff
• 33:28
  as to obviously I didn't see Sebco's athletics
• 33:32
  accomplishments. I only saw him, you know,
• 33:36
  chairing London 2012. And that's kind of probably when
• 33:39
  he came into my kind of sphere of knowledge about, about him.
• 33:44
  And yeah, so I, I don't know whether in a, in a sporting
• 33:49
  context, certainly Sebco is no no longer looked at as a
• 33:53
  sporting icon other than the fact that he delivered London
• 33:56
  2012. But yeah, I the other thing that
• 34:03
  I think is, is interesting. I wanted to ask you was
• 34:07
  obviously this is the mile world record and in the US and in the
• 34:13
  UK that means something. Does it mean something outside
• 34:18
  of that? Because I'm just, if you're
• 34:21
  thinking like on a global level, actually, does anyone else care
• 34:26
  about the mile and, and, and, and that and, and in, in the, in
• 34:32
  that context, would it have been better for him to go after the
• 34:35
  1500 world record? Because the mile, mile record
• 34:38
  maybe means a lot to us and to, to the US and that maybe his key
• 34:43
  markets anyway, because he's based in the US and he's, you
• 34:46
  know, from, from the UK. But actually, if he wants to
• 34:50
  make a global impact on the sport, would would, yeah.
• 34:54
  How much does the mile cut through?
• 34:55
  I think. They'd go hand in hand.
• 34:57
  He'd split APR and through the 1500 here that like it does sort
• 35:01
  of set the expectation of the next go round.
• 35:03
  When he runs the 1500. He's going to potentially break
• 35:06
  the world record that I don't know this one again, he's
• 35:12
  running for Brooks AUS based shoe brand.
• 35:17
  And I guess like the with the British history behind the
• 35:22
  number. What is it?
• 35:22
  7 Brits have held the mile world record, right.
• 35:27
  So there's some history there. Like it just for him, it made
• 35:30
  more sense that this was like the mile distance.
• 35:36
  OK, And also, I guess to your point, like did it I, I wonder
• 35:39
  if there's a part of this that him winning in front of a home
• 35:43
  crowd and just being as crazy amped up as he was.
• 35:47
  Like, it made for just such a beautiful clip of the whole
• 35:51
  entire thing and the whole sports ecosystem nowadays and
• 35:54
  media, everyone consumes these things in clips.
• 35:59
  More people learned about that world record after it happened
• 36:02
  than it than they did watching it live.
• 36:07
  Yeah, I just don't I, I, I, I don't know, like there's there's
• 36:09
  part of me that does kind of blanketly admit a white guy
• 36:14
  running this time and this fast is going to play well on the
• 36:18
  Internet. If it had just been say like
• 36:20
  Timothy Cheriot and just a Kenyan running fast.
• 36:22
  Like I don't necessarily know how much like it's sad, but a
• 36:27
  reality of like, oh so many people just view a lot of these
• 36:30
  E Africans as just, you know, fast athletes all the time.
• 36:34
  And so when they run these outlandish times, unless it's
• 36:38
  something barrier breaking like the sub 2, like how many times
• 36:43
  have you know, Joshua Chef, the guy for example, running his
• 36:46
  5K10K world records, those are crazy fast times, didn't really
• 36:49
  permeate into the greater sports landscape.
• 36:51
  And so there's that also part in my brain where I'm like, Oh
• 36:55
  yeah, like, of course a white guy running the mile world
• 36:57
  record is going to pick up like in the US and in the UK and in
• 37:02
  other parts of Europe. But yeah, so for Josh, just
• 37:07
  story wise, it just made a lot of sense for it to be the mile
• 37:11
  and the, you know, he he's already kind of on the East
• 37:17
  African fan track fans radar because they're accustomed to
• 37:21
  seeing this guy on the podium and beating some of their top
• 37:25
  stars as well. So it's not like he needed to
• 37:27
  necessarily make a name for himself in those in in those
• 37:31
  pockets of other fan groups 'cause if you've been following
• 37:35
  the sport, he's been a name for a while.
• 37:37
  So this it just hit at two big markets I would say.
• 37:42
  Yeah. And and I think that's maybe.
• 37:46
  But you see what? I'm getting at right where it's
• 37:47
  like, oh, a white guy running fast is obviously going to be.
• 37:51
  Yeah, No, I mean, I I get it like the and I think a lot of
• 37:54
  that is in the. I mean, obviously Kip Chogi
• 37:57
  managed to to do it, but. But as a barrier.
• 38:01
  Other other than like in terms of breaking through as a
• 38:06
  household name outside of, you know, fans of the sport, right?
• 38:10
  Like that's the that's what we're going for is that that's
• 38:13
  and I think that is more difficult with athletes who
• 38:16
  maybe don't speak English and don't speak and, and as much as.
• 38:22
  You know, you have to kind of. The problem is the money where,
• 38:25
  you know, it always follows the money, right?
• 38:27
  And and ultimately, unfortunately, like English
• 38:30
  language is the medium where like the money is right?
• 38:33
  And that's where the attention is.
• 38:36
  So if you can speak English well and you can then communicate
• 38:39
  with, you know, that audience a lot more.
• 38:42
  Like how amazing is Mara Lady Paolino?
• 38:45
  But we don't know her very well because we haven't.
• 38:48
  Like we've heard snippets of her interviews that have been
• 38:52
  translated and stuff, but we don't really know her.
• 38:55
  Jonathan Oscar. Yeah.
• 38:57
  Well, yeah, we need to get you down to the mix zone every time
• 39:00
  she comes by Chris. But but for the rest of us, like
• 39:03
  it's so I think I think that's a bit that's that's difficult,
• 39:06
  right, That there are so many amazing athletes that we don't
• 39:10
  get to know and that it's much more difficult for certainly for
• 39:13
  us in our world. And maybe I'm being very Euro
• 39:16
  American, like English centric, Anglo, whatever the word is.
• 39:20
  But, but I think that is part of the reality that a lot of the
• 39:24
  money in the sport, you know, does come from, you know, I
• 39:28
  mean, it comes from all around Europe as well.
• 39:29
  But at the same time, you know, the, a lot of the Scandinavian
• 39:33
  athletes, for example, speak really good English and like,
• 39:35
  you know, everyone loves Jacob for that reason as well, right?
• 39:38
  Because he communicates a lot in English as well.
• 39:41
  We gravitate towards personalities too, and Josh has
• 39:43
  a ton of that as well. Yeah, the wait.
• 39:47
  And also, I guess like one last thing that piggybacks off what
• 39:50
  you just said is everyone always relates to the mile and the
• 39:54
  marathon in the grand scheme of things.
• 39:57
  When, when when here in the States, we say like, oh, we
• 40:00
  relate to the gym class mile. Did they make you run the mile
• 40:03
  in gym class or was it the 1500? I, I don't remember because I
• 40:09
  think I avoided it like the plague.
• 40:11
  I just remember running cross country and as a, and it being
• 40:16
  the most, well, I say cross country like I think it, when we
• 40:21
  did cross country, it was probably about one lap or two
• 40:24
  laps. So it wasn't like super long,
• 40:27
  but it was, you know, it was just kind of that it, it was
• 40:33
  just torture, right? Like that's what I remember as
• 40:35
  as like it was the punishment, it was the torture.
• 40:38
  Like I don't know whether, you know, we used to have the bleep
• 40:40
  test. That was the other thing we
• 40:42
  used. To do it was.
• 40:43
  Really painful, but yeah, I, I don't know whether what the kind
• 40:49
  of like distance is, whether people.
• 40:52
  Did miles or 15 hundreds, I don't, I don't know but.
• 40:56
  Do you think that? This is bigger than Saway so
• 41:00
  far. No, no, no, absolutely not.
• 41:04
  And, and I think there's two things about that.
• 41:06
  One is obviously the timing in terms of there was like all of
• 41:11
  the big journalists were there, like there was a lot more and,
• 41:18
  and, and because it was the London Marathon, like it just
• 41:21
  had that. It had that as well, right?
• 41:23
  The London Marathon is much bigger than the London Athletics
• 41:26
  meet. For better or for worse, That's
• 41:28
  just the way it is. Well, also I guess like a lot of
• 41:31
  the stories that followed too, right?
• 41:33
  One a lot of them performance based on just sort of like what
• 41:36
  happened the world record falling, but then the tech is
• 41:39
  just so much more like Adidas got so much press afterwards.
• 41:44
  It like I don't necessarily think Brooks has gotten 50% of
• 41:49
  the amount of attention that the the Adidas shoes had.
• 41:52
  And the crazy part is, is that Brooks has already said that
• 41:55
  these are like a one of one for Josh.
• 41:57
  So it's not like you can take that product that just
• 42:00
  accomplished that feat and next week it's out for the masses to
• 42:05
  go out and and go out and buy, which Adidas did with like only
• 42:09
  500 pairs of the what was it, the Evo Pro 3?
• 42:15
  I think that's what it was. But so yeah, I mean like, yeah,
• 42:21
  I think I also I think agree, I think Solway still gets the
• 42:24
  edge. And I think that is the issue of
• 42:27
  what's like with with Josh. Obviously it is interesting,
• 42:30
  right? Like that we see like Josh broke
• 42:33
  this world record. It's an incredible feat.
• 42:35
  It's 27 year old world record and it's amazing that he has
• 42:40
  done it right. But it is a record.
• 42:42
  And I think even Josh himself has said, look, I expect some of
• 42:45
  the other guys now to go breaking this, right?
• 42:47
  And then once those floodgates open, like, yeah, you know,
• 42:52
  maybe that gets broken multiple times.
• 42:54
  It's very, you know, and that's just kind of the way it goes.
• 43:00
  But I think that is the issue, right, That as soon as that
• 43:03
  record gets broken, like how memorable does this remain?
• 43:07
  That is a question. And obviously for the 60,000
• 43:09
  people in the stadium, it will be memorable.
• 43:12
  For us, it may be memorable because we know what went behind
• 43:15
  it and the six months of prep and the fact that he called his
• 43:18
  shot early. But once it kind of becomes a
• 43:22
  start in the history books and it's kind of the next guy's
• 43:24
  broken, it like most of that doesn't mean mean anything
• 43:29
  anymore. And I think that's where
• 43:32
  obviously the medals, you know, that conversation of times
• 43:34
  versus medals is, is, is so big and it's, it's so difficult.
• 43:39
  And I kind of, and, and maybe you know, Josh, like for this
• 43:43
  year, this was the right thing to do because yes, winning a
• 43:47
  Commonwealth gold and European gold at home would have been
• 43:50
  cool. But this is probably bigger than
• 43:54
  doing that in any case. And there wasn't anything else
• 43:56
  bigger that he could really do this year.
• 43:58
  So I think that's that's a fair enough choice to have made.
• 44:02
  But obviously for the future, I think he's just going to be
• 44:06
  focused on gold medals again in 2027 and 2028 because that's
• 44:09
  where he builds his legacy as as the greatest ever.
• 44:14
  And it is interesting like for those other ethics like Faith,
• 44:17
  Kip Jagon, she just rocks up and she breaks the world record,
• 44:20
  right or. I mean, think about that.
• 44:22
  OK, so that's that's a good example is like faith breaking.
• 44:24
  Four made headlines and that was I think a big Nike push for
• 44:30
  sure. Like they tapped a lot of.
• 44:31
  Media in the lead up to this whole entire thing and that, but
• 44:35
  when Faith goes out and breaks the mile world record in was it
• 44:40
  Parrot? Where did she break it?
• 44:42
  Monaco. I think it was Monaco, right?
• 44:43
  Yeah. Yeah, I think yeah, when she
• 44:46
  actually break it, yeah. Not as much of the attention
• 44:48
  this time like as someone like Josh has got.
• 44:52
  Yeah, so I mean we saw like the likes of Chapter Guy and get a
• 44:55
  setting world records in those time trials, but with no
• 44:59
  audience in the middle of COVID, those didn't really
• 45:02
  breakthrough. And yes, this world record by
• 45:05
  Josh Kerr will breakthrough because of where he did it and
• 45:07
  and how he did it and how he called his shot.
• 45:09
  But a lot of other athletes like AKP, Aegon, as we talked about,
• 45:13
  like they can just rock up and and run these world records
• 45:17
  without as much fanfare. And it's I suppose there's two
• 45:22
  bits. There's one is, you know, Faith
• 45:25
  Kipjegon, Elliot Kipchogi, like breaking 4, breaking 2, Like it
• 45:29
  didn't go all that well the first time, right, despite all
• 45:32
  the resources that were put into it.
• 45:34
  And Josh Kerr has turned up and called a shot and done it this
• 45:37
  way, which is also incredible. But at the same time.
• 45:42
  Like he's not also the kind of athlete that can.
• 45:45
  Do that week in, week out and that's that's just the kind of
• 45:47
  athlete he is. But I think that also makes it a
• 45:51
  little bit more difficult for for him to build that thing like
• 45:54
  the unbeaten run of Norden Mosley or whatever, like to put
• 45:57
  himself in those GOAT conversations.
• 45:59
  I think it just makes it that little bit difficult.
• 46:01
  And and I do wonder whether, you know, Josh Curry is obviously
• 46:04
  very, very talented, but he's not kind of one of those kind of
• 46:08
  Unicorn type talents where, you know, he needs the hard work.
• 46:12
  Plus the, you know, he's kind of all the athletes where the hard
• 46:14
  work plus the talent come together to create something
• 46:17
  very special. And it's not like, you know, it
• 46:19
  feels like someone like, you can imagine like a Nils Laros, who
• 46:22
  unfortunately just ended the season today with an Achilles
• 46:26
  injury. But he but, you know, those kind
• 46:29
  of athletes that can just that seem to like be able to
• 46:31
  breakthrough and just kind of keep on going.
• 46:34
  And it's, yeah, that maybe it's those kind of athletes that we
• 46:38
  kind of tend to see as. Goats, because they're phenoms
• 46:41
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• 48:19
  Men's 800 I wanted to chat about Brandon Miller 14219 PB moves to
• 48:26
  #5 on the US all time list with this performance brand, this
• 48:31
  race. Super smart.
• 48:32
  I was kind of watching him where he was going in at at the bell
• 48:36
  and he was just, you know, still batting his time.
• 48:41
  And it wasn't even that. The attack from when Yoni at the
• 48:46
  very beginning was crazy aggressive.
• 48:49
  I would say it just sort of like he tied up and that's fine.
• 48:53
  He had what, the 1K world record attempt just a couple days
• 48:57
  before, so it maybe he wasn't getting a 100% rested Emmanuel
• 49:06
  Manoni. But the last 150 meters by
• 49:09
  Brandon Miller were just so, so, so impressive.
• 49:13
  And he's been on an absolute tear.
• 49:17
  Now with if Cooper Luckenhaus is not going to run the World
• 49:25
  Ultimate Championships, then I'm looking at Brendan Miller as
• 49:27
  like the best hope for an American victory there.
• 49:30
  And now he can add his name to the short list of folks who've
• 49:35
  beaten Emmanuel Wagnoni. Although on on this day, three
• 49:38
  guys did. Wagnoni finished fourth, his
• 49:40
  worst Diamond League showing since 2023.
• 49:46
  I think it was Mark English also with a really strong race, runs
• 49:51
  A14297PB. Those two guys have been looking
• 49:57
  really, really good in 2026. Yeah.
• 50:00
  I mean, I, I think that this from Brandon Miller was was
• 50:04
  incredible. Maybe we can drop in his
• 50:06
  interview here because I think it's worth the hearing what he
• 50:08
  had to say. Brandon, congratulations nearly
• 50:13
  a one second personal best. I mean, you're starting off a
• 50:16
  good afternoon for the Brooks Beasts as well.
• 50:18
  How are you feeling off that one?
• 50:20
  I feel blessed. I feel blessed.
• 50:22
  I'm super excited. I wanted to tell Josh that I was
• 50:25
  coming up here warming up the track for him and everything
• 50:28
  like that, so I hope you saw it. I hope he took some inspiration
• 50:31
  from it and I'm excited to see what he does a little bit later
• 50:35
  today. Yeah, and, and going into this
• 50:37
  race, obviously it was clearly set out as a bit of a world
• 50:40
  record attempt. What was your mindset?
• 50:42
  Obviously because you you're famously, you know, been having
• 50:45
  a really great season kicking down the home straight.
• 50:47
  So what was your mindset going into this race?
• 50:49
  I just went to compete today, not really worried about times.
• 50:53
  I just come out here, just try to compete and try to win at the
• 50:56
  end of the day and just continue to try to stack wins and stack
• 50:59
  wins and stack wins and gain confidence.
• 51:01
  I know that whatever pace we go through through 6, I could be
• 51:05
  there. Me and Danny just passed
• 51:07
  offseason. We're just working on being
• 51:10
  there the last 50 meters and being able to close out the,
• 51:13
  the, the race. So for me, I was just been
• 51:16
  really confident in the work that's been put in, the
• 51:20
  abilities that God has blessed me with, and just the process
• 51:23
  that I've been able to go through each and every day.
• 51:26
  Yeah, and and, and of course this specific race, you were
• 51:29
  obviously in the middle of the pack kind of going through 400.
• 51:32
  And then you made your move kind of coming into the home straight
• 51:36
  and you put a massive gap on on, on the guys.
• 51:40
  You you always had like the legs.
• 51:42
  Like what, what were your, what were you, what were you thinking
• 51:43
  at that point in the race? And how did you you know, how
• 51:46
  did you position yourself? Yeah.
• 51:48
  So I wanted to get out of third. I found myself in fourth.
• 51:53
  So I just told myself to stay patient, stay patient.
• 51:55
  I saw that the race was going out really, really fast, but it
• 51:58
  felt good. And the problem I've been
• 52:00
  running into the last couple of years is when it feels good, I
• 52:03
  tend to try to make a move right there instead of trying to stay
• 52:05
  patient. But we know in the 800 you
• 52:08
  really only get one move. So I just tried to focus on
• 52:11
  staying patient through 600 and and working my way up from 6 to
• 52:16
  700 and then kicking at home the last 100.
• 52:19
  So I just ended up feeling good and was able to have the legs
• 52:23
  coming home. And what was it like running on
• 52:26
  the track where David Radisha sat that world record 14 years
• 52:29
  ago? Just absolutely amazing.
• 52:32
  I watched his race this morning. I remember being in my living
• 52:37
  room watching that race and obviously as a 800 runner,
• 52:40
  that's the race you you idolize in a sense.
• 52:43
  So I do a lot of inspiration for that race and I just wanted to
• 52:47
  come out here and get my best. Thank you bud.
• 52:50
  Yeah. And finally, you know, Josh
• 52:52
  obviously going for the world record later, what what's your
• 52:55
  thoughts? Is he going to get it?
• 52:56
  How, how? How much is he going to break
• 52:57
  the volume? I think he gets it.
• 53:00
  I mean, he's in crazy shape. I put a comment out there on the
• 53:04
  Brooks post a couple weeks ago where they was calling the
• 53:08
  project 222. I said at the end of all this,
• 53:10
  it might be Project 221. So we'll see.
• 53:14
  I, I have faith that he'll get it and I, me personally, I don't
• 53:19
  think it's a question of if he's going to get it or not.
• 53:20
  I think it's a question of how much he gets to buy.
• 53:23
  All right. Brilliant.
• 53:24
  Thanks a lot then. It obviously is working very,
• 53:27
  very well. Can you give us a bit of an
• 53:29
  insight into it? How does that look?
• 53:30
  What is working so well with you guys?
• 53:32
  Yeah, yeah. I think for me, just being able
• 53:35
  to be close with Josh, being a close to greatness is it's
• 53:39
  always going to rub off on you, you know, and just being able to
• 53:42
  learn how to be a pro and just continuing to stay patient
• 53:46
  within my development. Yeah, just building the right
• 53:48
  team around me, from my coaches to my family, to my fiance, to
• 53:54
  my agents and just just all around, people are just want to
• 53:58
  see me be the best that I could be.
• 54:00
  And it's it's really starting to click.
• 54:02
  And I just pray that I continue to stay healthy so we could see
• 54:05
  this momentum next year and the year after that and so forth.
• 54:09
  Is Josh. Someone then that you could say
• 54:11
  you actually take a bit of inspiration from when you're
• 54:13
  when you're when you're training with him. 1000% I mean, that guy
• 54:17
  is the truth and he's very inspirational and he rubs off
• 54:22
  all of his teammates. I'm already proud of him no
• 54:26
  matter what happens here in a couple minutes.
• 54:28
  And I just, I just pray that he goes out here and does what he
• 54:32
  needs to do to show everybody love to to stamp is what he
• 54:37
  already knows about himself. And just last legs, I know
• 54:39
  you'll be eager to go and watch him.
• 54:41
  In terms of yourself, what's next?
• 54:43
  This must give you a bit. Of confidence.
• 54:45
  Oh, for sure, USA. I got the late call for this.
• 54:49
  So once I saw that I got in this race, for me, it was an
• 54:52
  opportunity that I couldn't pass up to come out here and run
• 54:54
  fast. But I'll I'll go back, hopefully
• 54:58
  get a business Class C home and and run in New York in here in a
• 55:01
  couple of days. So perfect.
• 55:03
  Thank you so much. Thank you all.
• 55:04
  Appreciate. It you know, he's someone who
• 55:09
  has really, you know, he's really come on this season and
• 55:12
  he's he's obviously in that environment and.
• 55:16
  I hate to bring up Josh Kerr again, but he's in that that
• 55:18
  training, training environment. With Josh Kerr and it obviously
• 55:22
  has worked for him, like whatever whatever's going on,
• 55:25
  like there's, there's some sort of vibe there, there's some sort
• 55:28
  of energy there that that is working for him.
• 55:31
  And like this was a nearly a one second PB for him.
• 55:34
  And that's I think the thing that's been missing that we've
• 55:38
  seen these really impressive performances from him.
• 55:40
  But all the top US guys have been 142 guys.
• 55:43
  Right, so. He's been a little bit off that
• 55:47
  even though he's been running really well, he hasn't been able
• 55:50
  to, you know, like you know, he has.
• 55:52
  He wasn't able to to make the team last year and you know, for
• 55:55
  that, for that reason. And I think now he's obviously a
• 56:00
  threat and now we've got five guys in that mix for that team,
• 56:04
  you know, that are kind of clearly a cut above and.
• 56:08
  You're saying for the LA 2028? Well, I think LA or even next
• 56:12
  year. I mean, maybe.
• 56:13
  Let's just look. Only as far as next year, right,
• 56:15
  Because who knows who else is going to come.
• 56:17
  We had we had Cooper Lutkin house in 2025.
• 56:20
  Who else is going to turn up in 2027?
• 56:22
  I don't know but or by 2028 there's it's as as we've seen
• 56:28
  the the 8 hundreds can be a bit of a young man's game and you
• 56:31
  can you can get people coming through, but.
• 56:35
  Yeah, he's now. 'Cause then I guess from what
• 56:37
  I've heard so far, it sounds like Josh Hoey's out for the
• 56:41
  season to my that's what I'm hearing and Donovan's still
• 56:49
  taking his time. Not a great showing for Bryce
• 56:52
  Hopple in this one. He's last in 14532.
• 56:57
  So really your top three Americans right now in this
• 57:01
  event I would say are Cooper Luckenhouse, Brandon Miller,
• 57:05
  Donovan Brasier. That's your top three.
• 57:07
  Yeah. And then?
• 57:09
  Facing off at USA they they all three of them are going to be at
• 57:11
  USA Bryce that. Was just a big Josh double
• 57:14
  check. Oh.
• 57:15
  That that's that's what the declarations say.
• 57:17
  I don't know if Brandon Miller might be kind of from the turn
• 57:20
  around because I think he got into this race quite late.
• 57:22
  So. He may decide obviously not to
• 57:26
  do usas if he's if he's tired after this one.
• 57:28
  But I mean, I think it does look.
• 57:29
  Like a couple of Brooks beasts are travelling to USAS.
• 57:31
  It's not like the OACI think the entire OAC rosters is skipping
• 57:36
  out on USAS. Yes, yeah, yeah, they are so but
• 57:41
  Mark English have to give a shout 142 man now I mean just
• 57:47
  incredible love to see it and. Remember that the.
• 57:51
  Standard for 2027 World Championships is 143 flat.
• 57:58
  And obviously the window isn't open yet, but you know, to
• 58:02
  actually get into the 142 is, I guess a good place to be heading
• 58:06
  into next year. And yeah, Mark English, I mean,
• 58:09
  I think he, he keeps on improving, keeps on surprising
• 58:12
  us. But I mean, his, his finish at
• 58:14
  the end of these races is incredible.
• 58:16
  And yeah, Max Bergen is a factor.
• 58:19
  We we've seen that a few Times Now and he's he's proven to be
• 58:23
  really consistent. So I think, yeah, there's
• 58:26
  there's lots to look forward to, I think in the men's 800 as
• 58:29
  always. And Kim Mcphillips is back from
• 58:32
  injury. He's running 143 now on 4397 in
• 58:35
  this race. So that's good to see as well.
• 58:38
  I mean, bronze medallist from Budapest, Ben Patterson as well,
• 58:42
  getting back to his best as well, which we haven't really
• 58:46
  seen since 24. So yeah, lots of good results in
• 58:52
  this race, but. Yeah, all right.
• 58:55
  Just to quickly knock out the women's 3K.
• 58:58
  Jess Hall, you know, just good to get her.
• 59:01
  Similarly to Keely, back to some winning ways here.
• 59:05
  She got the V82469 just ahead of Rose Davies, her compatriot, who
• 59:11
  ran 82538. Sarah Healy was third.
• 59:16
  Henner Nettall was giving it a pretty good fight I would say
• 59:20
  and she ends up in in fourth. It is this one was actually
• 59:25
  pretty fascinating because not won by an Ethiopian given, but
• 59:29
  despite the fact that they had like 5 or 6 of them in this
• 59:32
  race. Yeah, I mean Jess Hall, I think
• 59:36
  this. So I think I, I said it to her
• 59:38
  in the interview actually, because this she ran 824 about
• 59:41
  two or three times in 2020. 4. When she banned, you know, her
• 59:46
  350 and, you know, became the sort of silver medal favorite
• 59:51
  for the Olympics. And I think this was an
• 59:54
  impressive performance because it shows she's in that sort of
• 59:56
  shape again, which I think is what she's been searching for
• 1:00:00
  this season. But yeah, and, and I think this
• 1:00:04
  was a bit of a Commonwealth Games preview and the Aussies
• 1:00:07
  are looking pretty good right now.
• 1:00:11
  All right, we're going to breeze through some of these sprints.
• 1:00:13
  Not a shocker. In the women's 400, it was
• 1:00:15
  Marlady Paulino 4897. Although it was nice, I guess
• 1:00:20
  the, the, the cool part of this one was Henriette Jaeger
• 1:00:23
  finishing second for the Norwegian national record and
• 1:00:26
  running 4915. She was pretty pumped about that
• 1:00:31
  afterwards. In the women's 2, the the in the
• 1:00:36
  men's 400, Ry Benjamin got his first Diamond League victory in
• 1:00:42
  the open four with a personal best of 44 O 5, just ahead of
• 1:00:49
  Matthew Matt Hudson Smith to Corey Patterson.
• 1:00:51
  So he's trending in the right direction.
• 1:00:54
  I think USA is is next for him. I think he is scratched now.
• 1:00:59
  He's scratched, so him and. Jacory.
• 1:01:00
  Neither of them are running USA unfortunately.
• 1:01:03
  Damn, I was looking forward to it every.
• 1:01:05
  You know, I think that's multiple Times Now that Rye has
• 1:01:08
  been announced as part of a meet in New York City and then has
• 1:01:13
  scratched since like 2022. I don't I don't think we've seen
• 1:01:17
  him compete in New York since may have been like the indoor
• 1:01:21
  the one year that the New Balance Indoor Grand Prix moved
• 1:01:25
  to Staten Island cause of COVID and cause of the construction of
• 1:01:29
  the new stadium. I mean, even like the last time
• 1:01:32
  Rise competed in front of a home crowd.
• 1:01:34
  So they got to get him back to to New York sometime sometime
• 1:01:37
  soon. But good showing here. 44 O 5.
• 1:01:43
  So I guess who is the top seed right now?
• 1:01:45
  Chris Bailey 44 O 6 is the top seed at USA.
• 1:01:49
  And behind him is Vernon. Is it Vernon I?
• 1:01:51
  Don't even know if Vernon's doing it, but I didn't see.
• 1:01:54
  I didn't recall seeing Vernon on the list, but again, maybe it's
• 1:01:58
  just getting into this race means that they've then decided
• 1:02:00
  to scratch USA. That's also possibly.
• 1:02:05
  That's the wonky nature of USA is an an off year.
• 1:02:11
  Then I think one of the biggest races was, of course, the
• 1:02:14
  women's 200, where we did get the rematch between Julian
• 1:02:18
  Alfred and Gabby Thomas, and Julian Alfred once again
• 1:02:21
  prevailed 2166, Gabby Thomas 2181, and Gabby's not running
• 1:02:29
  USAS. So now I think after this, she's
• 1:02:33
  just kind of getting right back into training.
• 1:02:35
  And so she's got her exposure to her big competitors with going
• 1:02:41
  up against Julian Alfred. She hasn't.
• 1:02:44
  Did she race Melissa so far this year?
• 1:02:46
  No, right? No, but obviously she's raced
• 1:02:47
  Deja Hodge, so we've seen those three match up and.
• 1:02:52
  So she knows like who's going to be there in Budapest in
• 1:02:55
  September. I guess she hasn't raced
• 1:02:56
  Sharika. Yeah, no, no, but I mean, yeah,
• 1:02:59
  Sharik is obviously taking a bit of a down period as well.
• 1:03:01
  But I think the cool thing here is Gabby, she now has the most
• 1:03:05
  sub 20 twos of anyone in history.
• 1:03:07
  She's now ahead of Sharika Jackson.
• 1:03:10
  She's the 20. I think that was her 20th sub
• 1:03:12
  two and sub 22. And yeah, I mean that that's
• 1:03:15
  mighty impressive consistency for her.
• 1:03:18
  So, you know, well done to her. Obviously she wanted a bit more
• 1:03:21
  here. And June Alfred kind of looks
• 1:03:25
  amazing running 2166. I mean, she, she looked, she
• 1:03:28
  kind of, she saw Gabby coming up on her and she's like, yeah,
• 1:03:31
  I've got more. And she just bumped her arms and
• 1:03:34
  off she went. And yeah, it was, it was mighty
• 1:03:38
  impressive to watch. And I, I, I, I would be very
• 1:03:42
  surprised if, if anyone beats, you know, Alfred of 200 this
• 1:03:45
  season. Really.
• 1:03:47
  I, I, I at the moment I, That's how it's.
• 1:03:50
  Unless Sharika gets back to her very best, I think it's going to
• 1:03:53
  be very difficult. Just the way she looks, it
• 1:03:55
  seemed, because she's got the start right.
• 1:03:57
  She's a world 60 meter. Champion, indoor champion, and
• 1:04:00
  she's Olympic 100m champion, but she just has some strength like
• 1:04:04
  that strength in that she came off the bend and she saw Gabby
• 1:04:07
  coming up on her and she just moved.
• 1:04:09
  She was like, alright, I'm off if I need to be.
• 1:04:13
  And I think that. In a 200 is really hard.
• 1:04:17
  So I, I just, I just think, yeah, I think it's really going
• 1:04:23
  to be really difficult to challenge in the 200, but.
• 1:04:27
  I think I'll make my mind up with a couple more of these
• 1:04:30
  diamond leagues that will follow up the course of the next couple
• 1:04:33
  weeks as to like who because it is the best event, I think in
• 1:04:37
  the women's short sprints over the men's 110 hurdles, Jacoby
• 1:04:42
  Tharp got the victory, 1289 meet record.
• 1:04:46
  Jamal Britt was a little further back in this one.
• 1:04:48
  He finished fourth 1316. But he is running at the US
• 1:04:52
  Championships. I don't think Jacoby.
• 1:04:54
  Yeah, Jacoby Tharp is not running at the US Championships
• 1:04:58
  in the men's 400 hurdles, Carson Warholm.
• 1:05:02
  This is kind of the result I think more people were have been
• 1:05:05
  looking for from him. He ran 4661 for the meet record
• 1:05:11
  takes over the world lead. And so just as you know, there
• 1:05:15
  was maybe a little bit of doubt over his form.
• 1:05:18
  He kind of reminds people he's like he's not going anywhere
• 1:05:21
  anytime soon. So he he didn't do the the
• 1:05:26
  Norwegian row. No, there was, there was a chat
• 1:05:28
  about it. I, I, I had a chat with this
• 1:05:30
  coach about him doing it. And I think he, he got asked
• 1:05:32
  about it in this week anyway. But he was like he'll, he'll
• 1:05:34
  leave the glory to the footballers for now, but maybe
• 1:05:36
  we'll get at the European Championships if he if he wins
• 1:05:39
  there. It would have been, it would
• 1:05:41
  have been pretty cruel to do it in front of the Brazilians.
• 1:05:44
  The Brazilian in this race, Tess Lima, and I suspect Alison dos
• 1:05:47
  Santos might have taken it quite personally and I'm not sure he
• 1:05:51
  would have wanted to to roll Alison up after Norway, Brazil
• 1:05:54
  out. The World Cup, that's that's
• 1:05:56
  where he like ultimate champs. If Warholm beats Dos Santos, he
• 1:06:00
  should do the road that would be and he might have like that one
• 1:06:04
  Norwegian fan who like wears like the horns and stuff like,
• 1:06:07
  and we've we've seen him at so many championships.
• 1:06:09
  Like if that guy's in attendance, like he'll he'll
• 1:06:11
  lead the the crowd in getting it together to do it.
• 1:06:16
  And yeah. So that's the track action at
• 1:06:18
  the. Men's 100.
• 1:06:20
  Oh yeah, yeah, can't forget the men's 100 because this one had a
• 1:06:23
  little spice at the end with Keynesola Ajai once again
• 1:06:28
  running another 984. This is like the third time so
• 1:06:31
  far this season that he's done that ties his Nigerian national
• 1:06:35
  record and now improves the two and O against oblique Seville,
• 1:06:39
  who finished second in this one in 987.
• 1:06:43
  Jordan Anthony, who there's so much hype around coming off of
• 1:06:48
  the indoor season has not really lived up to it so far in the 100
• 1:06:54
  outdoors where man, I think like I was talking him up even saying
• 1:06:59
  that if when he runs 97 this outdoor season win legal.
• 1:07:04
  It shouldn't come as a surprise to us, but he just can't put it
• 1:07:07
  together after 60 meters so far. And so he runs 999 here and he
• 1:07:11
  finishes his sixth, so a little bit further back and the.
• 1:07:18
  Stare down that Ajayi had at the end was not for oblique Seville.
• 1:07:22
  It was apparently for Jordan Anthony.
• 1:07:24
  So. Yeah, which I don't know.
• 1:07:27
  So I, I, I wasn't following along as closely on Ajayi was, I
• 1:07:31
  think posting on Instagram kind of trying to clear the air
• 1:07:34
  around this whole entire thing. And I don't know how well
• 1:07:40
  oblique Seville took it if he thought it was directed at him,
• 1:07:44
  but then Ajayi was posting some or there was some Nigerian media
• 1:07:49
  outlet that posted screenshots of Ajayi's DMS with Jordan
• 1:07:53
  Anthony. And so like those two guys were
• 1:07:54
  like kind of going back and forth.
• 1:07:57
  And yeah, I don't know, like, I think once it once you do
• 1:08:02
  something like that, you just got to back it up And and not
• 1:08:05
  not not back it up, but just hold your ground and and say,
• 1:08:08
  yeah, sure, it was for anyone. You won the race.
• 1:08:10
  Like you could you could have been sending a message to
• 1:08:12
  anybody. And now you're 2 and O against
• 1:08:13
  the world champ. Yeah, just directed at him too.
• 1:08:21
  So yeah, don't like even though he is technically, I guess I
• 1:08:24
  would say like the a rookie in his first couple professional
• 1:08:29
  races at this point, stick it to the pros and come out and be a
• 1:08:33
  little bit more brash full. But it doesn't seem like it's in
• 1:08:36
  his character. I do, I guess, now want to see a
• 1:08:40
  Jai versus Lyles at some point, yeah.
• 1:08:44
  I think, yeah, we'll have to wait for that one.
• 1:08:47
  But I think he's yeah, no, Lyles obviously is and to the USA is.
• 1:08:51
  And I guess then we might see him again like, well, he's now
• 1:08:54
  also compared to World Ultimates, so.
• 1:08:57
  And we still haven't seen Seville versus not Lyles this
• 1:09:01
  season. I don't think so, no, because we
• 1:09:04
  saw, yeah, Lyles got beaten by Bramel and then he beat
• 1:09:09
  everybody in the second meeting, whatever that was.
• 1:09:16
  Yeah. All right, so this is the this
• 1:09:19
  London now is going to the Diamond League now takes a
• 1:09:23
  break, of course, for the US Championships, the Commonwealth
• 1:09:26
  Games, European champs. Yes.
• 1:09:28
  So, yeah, So then the Diamond League comes back after European
• 1:09:31
  Championships, so we'll have a. So we'll have and there's also
• 1:09:35
  World U 20s in the middle. So there's three kind of
• 1:09:37
  championship kind of events there, plus all the national
• 1:09:40
  championships that are mostly this weekend, including USA.
• 1:09:45
  So yeah, a pretty big gap. And then the next Diamond League
• 1:09:48
  is in Lausanne, in. August 21st, so literally a
• 1:09:53
  month from now. One month layoff.
• 1:09:55
  Yes, yeah, yeah, But yeah, com Games, obviously we won't get a
• 1:09:58
  chance to preview it, but couple of good races is the men's model
• 1:10:03
  obviously with Josh Kerr, women's 8 Georgia Ontabel versus
• 1:10:06
  Elena Nadira and I think the men's javelin has got everyone
• 1:10:11
  in it that you could possibly want.
• 1:10:13
  So Arshad Nadeem, Niraj Chopra, etcetera, Ramesh Patiraj.
• 1:10:19
  So that's a pretty good those are probably the best of the the
• 1:10:22
  events at the Commonwealth Games, but annoyingly, we don't
• 1:10:25
  start. Is there any way for us to watch
• 1:10:26
  it here in the states? I don't know.
• 1:10:29
  I must admit, I must admit I don't know because it's not even
• 1:10:32
  on free to air TV here anymore. It's not even on the BBC.
• 1:10:35
  So it's on TNT Sports, but I'm sure that I'm sure you probably
• 1:10:40
  CBC because yeah, if you VPN to Canada, I'm sure it'll be on CBC
• 1:10:44
  or whatever. It'll be a change up from me
• 1:10:48
  currently VPN ING to Moldova. That's my go to right now.
• 1:10:53
  But also, I think if it's on TNT, then we might get it on HBO
• 1:10:58
  here because aren't those two like, kind of hand in hand?
• 1:11:01
  They are, but I don't know if they'll obviously put it on the
• 1:11:03
  US version. So yeah, because obviously
• 1:11:05
  you've got to it'll be country by country rights, right?
• 1:11:07
  So obviously different different platforms have it in different
• 1:11:12
  countries, so. The struggles of trying to
• 1:11:14
  figure out how to watch track. Indeed.
• 1:11:17
  Well, I've got to work out how I'm watching USASI.
• 1:11:19
  Might have to renew my Joy MO subscription.
• 1:11:23
  For the weekend, yeah. So it's some combination of so
• 1:11:26
  for the folks, look, we're going to do AUS as preview, but to be
• 1:11:29
  able to watch it live, you will need some combination of USATFTV
• 1:11:34
  and then otherwise like Peacock will do you well, if you have
• 1:11:38
  Peacock, you'll be able to watch, I would say 80% of the
• 1:11:41
  meat like every one of the days of like the, the, the, the, the
• 1:11:45
  meaty stuff. I think starting Friday,
• 1:11:47
  Saturday, Sunday will be on Peacock and then there is ATV
• 1:11:52
  window for Saturday and Sunday on NBC.
• 1:11:55
  So, yeah, that's once again, I guess just sort of trying to
• 1:12:01
  make it easier for people to understand and and follow along
• 1:12:04
  on on how to watch these things. But that's all the time we've
• 1:12:07
  got for this week's episode. We will be back.
• 1:12:12
  Well, we'll be on your feeds over the next couple days.
• 1:12:16
  US as preview. Interview with Josh Kerr to
• 1:12:19
  come. And then of course, daily
• 1:12:23
  coverage from the 2026 USATF After Championships taking place
• 1:12:27
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• 1:12:32
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• 1:12:59
  Thanks again for listening. Thanks for sticking around.
• 1:13:05
  Here's a little bit more from Bandit Director of Experiences
• 1:13:08
  Tim Rossi on the Unsponsored project, which you'll see on
• 1:13:11
  display at the US Championships. What do you think is currently
• 1:13:15
  broken in the track and field contract model that Bandit is
• 1:13:19
  trying to in a way come in as not the full fix, but a
• 1:13:24
  temporary fix to, you know, hopefully improving things.
• 1:13:27
  Yeah, I think the top end of the sport is always the side of the
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  sport that gets taken care of, which is really, really cool and
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  it makes sense for what it's worth as well.
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  Brands are looking for value out of athletes and that means
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  something different to every single brand, but often times it
• 1:13:42
  means competing from metal, always making teams, running
• 1:13:45
  world records, whatever it might look like, and those athletes
• 1:13:48
  get taken care of really, really well.
• 1:13:51
  And then in the US as well, we have the NCAA system.
• 1:13:54
  There's obviously a lot of conversation around that and NIL
• 1:13:57
  and that entire system right now, but it is an amazing
• 1:14:01
  development pipeline. Running is a tough sport though.
• 1:14:05
  You get injured, you end up in the injury cycle for 12 months,
• 1:14:08
  18 months, and then all of a sudden you're not performing at
• 1:14:11
  the highest level. And there's so many people who
• 1:14:14
  leave that development system not having fulfilled their full
• 1:14:17
  potential and fall through the cracks.
• 1:14:19
  The same way that there are athletes that get that first
• 1:14:22
  professional contract and maybe go through a similar issue.
• 1:14:25
  Maybe a coaching fit or a system fit doesn't work for them and
• 1:14:29
  they just go through a rough patch of performance and then
• 1:14:32
  all of a sudden they get released from that contract and
• 1:14:34
  it is tough for these athletes. You're going out of your own
• 1:14:37
  pocket, out of your own savings to compete.
• 1:14:40
  It's not the cheapest sport being able to fly around the
• 1:14:42
  world trying to find track meets and trying to run your best.
• 1:14:46
  And it really is like a performance inhibitor as well.
• 1:14:50
  If you're out there trying to make a living off of it.
• 1:14:52
  It applies a lot of pressure that maybe some of the athletes
• 1:14:55
  at the top end. There's a ton of pressure no
• 1:14:57
  matter who you are in the sport. But if you've got the financial
• 1:15:00
  system in place where you're not risking your livelihood every
• 1:15:03
  time you step on the track, I believe that that unlocks
• 1:15:07
  performance. So us being able to support a
• 1:15:09
  lot of those individuals that would historically fall through
• 1:15:12
  the system and fall through the tracks and really keep them in
• 1:15:14
  the sport and give them a chance to bet on themselves and pursue
• 1:15:18
  track at the highest level, it it's exactly what we want to do.
• 1:15:21
  And trying to focus on those up and comers or or underdog
• 1:15:26
  stories if you will, is important for Bandit because we
• 1:15:28
  think if we raise the floor within the sport, every level of
• 1:15:32
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