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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 179 | Jaguars Offense Through Six Weeks, Threats Posed by Rams · Jags A.M.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to JAGZAM today. Can Annie Stephens, Fran sext and
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Speaker 1: John Osier with you. It's afternoon here in England as
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Speaker 1: we get ready for the match against the Rams this
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Speaker 1: week in Wembley. But good morning to everybody back in Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: For JAGXAM today, we're gonna talk a lot about the
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Speaker 1: opponent and what we're expecting this weekend. After a frustrating
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Speaker 1: loss against the Seahawks, they're going to try to rebound
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Speaker 1: coming up. So let's go over some of our big
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Speaker 2: Big thing number.
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Speaker 1: One is mentor versus protege. And I bring this up
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Speaker 1: because there's a couple of them, and in regards to
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Speaker 1: the Rams and the Jags, of course you have the
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Speaker 1: head coaching Sean McVay Rams and Liam Cohen who worked
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Speaker 1: previously for Sean McVay, but also when you're looking at
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Speaker 1: general managers as well, when we're talking about James Gladstone
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Speaker 1: who worked under Less Need for the Rams for a
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Speaker 1: long time as well, so Brian. A lot of what
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Speaker 1: they're trying to do is take some of the positive
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Speaker 1: and the successes that they've seen in LA and bring
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Speaker 1: them to Jacksonville.
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Speaker 3: Listen, when you talk to people who have worked in
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Speaker 3: the RAMS organization, and there's some people that I know
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Speaker 3: that still work in the RAMS organization, they talk about
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Speaker 3: the quality from the top to the bottom, the way
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Speaker 3: that they go about scouting players, coaching players, the way
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Speaker 3: that they treat their staff, the things that are important
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Speaker 3: to them. They have a very high standard and everyone
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Speaker 3: works towards that standard, which John is what I have
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Speaker 3: seen here in the early going. Since Tony Basseli, James Gladstone,
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Speaker 3: and Liam Cohen got.
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Speaker 2: Together, it feels that way.
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Speaker 3: And listen, there is a lot of affection between all
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Speaker 3: of the parties that Kai just mentioned because of the
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Speaker 3: success that they had and because of the quality of
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Speaker 3: people that they are.
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Speaker 4: On a couple of thoughts, it's funny because they came
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Speaker 4: in together. Everybody thought like Liam and James were like buds, right,
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Speaker 4: and they really weren't in LA. But I think what
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Speaker 4: they both found they so I take this from sort
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Speaker 4: of listening to him. Once they got together, they were
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Speaker 4: very like minded because they had both been with the RAMS,
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Speaker 4: and they both feel the same way about football. Both
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Speaker 4: coaches kids that sort of thing. One thing about Gladstone,
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Speaker 4: in talking to people of the Rams, they knew as
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Speaker 4: soon as he got interviewed, they knew he was going
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Speaker 4: to be gone. He was that important, he was that
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Speaker 4: good to that organization. Look, I don't think the Jaguars
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Speaker 4: want to be Rams South, but Gladstone, I think it
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Speaker 4: was that the Combine did call the Rams the north Star.
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Speaker 4: It's a good organization to have as your guidepost. And
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Speaker 4: that's what it feels like. And you can feel what
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Speaker 4: you're talking about, Brian, the quality of individual that are involved,
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Speaker 4: in the quality of the way they do things.
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Speaker 2: And they win. I mean since they took over there,
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Speaker 2: they have.
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Speaker 3: In the seven previous seasons to this one, they have
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Speaker 3: six playoff years, super Bowl appearances and one super Bowl
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Speaker 3: championships and.
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Speaker 4: One playoff year they were decimated by any Yeah, it
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Speaker 4: was alway impossible for the the playoffs. So they've been
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Speaker 4: remarkably consistent.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely definitely something you want to base your franchise off of.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to our big thing Number two. We'll get
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Speaker 1: to the game a little bit and it's when push
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Speaker 1: comes to shove. We talked a ton about what the
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Speaker 1: offensive line did last week. Against Seahawks, how they struggled.
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence talked about kind of moving on from that.
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Speaker 5: You know, you can't take one game and freak out
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Speaker 5: and let let you lose sight of kind of the
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Speaker 5: progress you've made and the things that you have done well,
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Speaker 5: and you just got to get back to some of
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Speaker 5: the basics, some of the fundamentals. Just do the little
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Speaker 5: things well. We got to clean up the penalties, like
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Speaker 5: we've talked about, that's something that we can control. I
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Speaker 5: think if we start there, there'll be huge improvement. So
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Speaker 5: then beyond that, there's little things that we can find Toune,
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Speaker 5: but that's the starting point of us.
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Speaker 2: John.
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Speaker 1: It's easier said than done, I'm sure, but trying to
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Speaker 1: get these penalties down and also on the offense, maybe
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Speaker 1: getting the running game going so they don't have to
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Speaker 1: pass as much and then thus seven sacks seventeen.
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Speaker 4: Quarterback hits I laughed when he said, you can't take
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Speaker 4: one game and freak out, because.
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Speaker 2: That's that's what we're doing.
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Speaker 4: So the hands do. I mean, look, it is harder
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Speaker 4: than it sounds to reduce the penalties because a lot
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Speaker 4: of the penalties have come from them trying to learn
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Speaker 4: this offense trying to implement it, and it's complex and
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Speaker 4: it needs pre snap stuff and there's going to come
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Speaker 4: a point where they all get it. But until then,
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Speaker 4: Liam is trying to find that balance between pre snap
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Speaker 4: and just making sure you get it. But you have
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Speaker 4: to do pre snap because if you don't, you can't
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Speaker 4: read the defense. I do think getting the running game
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Speaker 4: going is key, not just for the run, but it
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Speaker 4: will help alleviate a lot of the pressure on the
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Speaker 4: quarterback because you'll be in better down in distance, which,
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Speaker 4: by the way, Brian, if you reduce the penalties, that
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Speaker 4: happens too. So cleaning up it's so easy. We all
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Speaker 4: talk about cleaning up right. Well, if it was easy,
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Speaker 4: it wouldn't be a mess in the first place. So
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Speaker 4: that is the goal and we'll see if they can
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Speaker 4: do it.
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Speaker 3: There's a physical demand to this too, Kai when you
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Speaker 3: watch the tape, and I talked with Jeff Logan on
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Speaker 3: the practice field about this.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday.
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Speaker 3: You had a rookie center and you had guys who
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Speaker 3: were seeing so much because they couldn't run. It felt
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Speaker 3: like they were taking an extra step backwards to give
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Speaker 3: themselves a little bit more space to read and react
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Speaker 3: to what was going on, and in doing so, they
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Speaker 3: were soft. They just gave up too much and by
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Speaker 3: the time Trevor Lawrence was ready to throw, there was
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Speaker 3: someone in his space the whole day. So they've got
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Speaker 3: to be stout for whatever that means. They've got to
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Speaker 3: be firm, they've got to hold the line of the
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Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. And it's important to remind people that
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Speaker 3: for the first five weeks in the season they did
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Speaker 3: just that. They only gave up six sacks. They created
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Speaker 3: room in the running game. Last week, at least in
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Speaker 3: the course of this season is the anomaly. So we'll
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Speaker 3: see if they can get back to that where they
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Speaker 3: don't give up a little bit of extra space, where
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Speaker 3: they're stronger, more firm at the point of attack. Although
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Speaker 3: that's challenge this week because obviously you've got Verse and
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Speaker 3: Young and Kobe Turner in the middle. Jaguars are going
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Speaker 3: to have to fix some things on the practice field today,
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Speaker 3: tomorrow and Saturday to be ready for it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Britain Strange being out too doesn't help here. And
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Speaker 4: it's not that he's a pass blocker per se, but
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Speaker 4: he's a great run blocker. So all of a sudden
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Speaker 4: you're getting a little less in the run game. And
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Speaker 4: again it circles back to if the running game is
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Speaker 4: not working, it's a lot harder to pass protect.
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Speaker 1: All comes together, our final big thing today is going
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Speaker 1: to be top priority. We've talked about this to some
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Speaker 1: degree every week, I think at this point, but Travis
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Speaker 1: Hunter on offense, Is this the week we see more
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Speaker 1: involvement from him in the past game?
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Speaker 2: Please? Yes?
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Speaker 3: I mean every time he's got the ball in his hands,
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Speaker 3: you see what makes him special. There's there have not
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Speaker 3: been many receivers in Jaguars history that have the movement skills.
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Speaker 3: I mean not to say they can't run a jump
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Speaker 3: like you can, but I mean he just he's got
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Speaker 3: that something, that X factor that it about him. Throw
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Speaker 3: the ball to him as often as you can. But
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Speaker 3: you know that's what the Rams are going to try
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Speaker 3: and take him away.
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Speaker 4: Rights true, because they have tried. They've had things in
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Speaker 4: for Travis Hunter, and there's been times where Trevor's missed him.
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Speaker 4: Quite frankly, there's been times where it's in and then
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Speaker 4: you don't get the pass off or there's pressure. So
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Speaker 4: they're gonna keep trying. One thing I do know, you know,
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Speaker 4: I get a lot of questions, should he be playing
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Speaker 4: less on offense? Should be playing but there's no inclination
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Speaker 4: to play him less. The inclination is they think he's
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Speaker 4: might be their best cornerback, so he's gonna play there, yep.
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Speaker 4: And they want to keep trying to get him the
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Speaker 4: ball on offense because this team lacks big plays. Still,
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Speaker 4: you don't take this kid out if you want big plays.
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Speaker 2: What's remarkable is how patient he's been. Right.
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Speaker 3: I mean, so many receivers in this league when they
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Speaker 3: don't see the ball. Garrett Wilson in New York is
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Speaker 3: a great example, because he was so demonstrative here in
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Speaker 3: London last week about the game plan and how it
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Speaker 3: didn't work to get him involved. There's no there's no
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Speaker 3: sense of that from Travis Hunter, and comprobed by the
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Speaker 3: fact that he's we played for Dean Sanders, you'd expect
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Speaker 3: to see more of that, and you don't. He's remarkably humble.
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Speaker 3: He does want the football because he wants to help
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Speaker 3: his team win.
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Speaker 1: And I think we'll see more of that at some point,
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Speaker 1: and I'm hoping it's this week. Say with us here,
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Speaker 1: we'll look ahead and deep dive a little bit into
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Speaker 1: what the Rams are bringing to the table this weekend.
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Speaker 6: We've protected at a high level in a lot of ways.
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Speaker 6: Last week was a tough go, so they know, we
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Speaker 6: all know it takes truly, not just those guys up front.
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Speaker 6: We've got to help them and have a responsibility as coaches,
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Speaker 6: but also hey, stepping up to the plate and worrying
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Speaker 6: about us. Let's go get better at our sets, the
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Speaker 6: way that we slide and pass protection, the way that
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Speaker 6: we protect our fundamentals, our techniques, and worry about those
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Speaker 6: things and not so much the guys that we're playing against.
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Speaker 1: Silliam Cohen talking about addressing some of the offensive line problems,
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Speaker 1: but Brian, that's a lot easier said than done when
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Speaker 1: you're going up against what the Rams are going to
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Speaker 1: be trotting out there this week.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, we talked a little bit about it in the
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Speaker 3: last segment. But you've got Brian, Byron Young who has
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Speaker 3: seven and a half sacks, the second most in the NFL,
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Speaker 3: at Jared Verus who has three and last week combined
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Speaker 3: for three, and Kobe Turner on the inside, who can
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Speaker 3: be a wrecking ball. He's not Aaron Donald, but he's very,
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Speaker 3: very good. So you've got to maybe you get Robert
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Speaker 3: Hansey back this week. We don't know what I mean,
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Speaker 3: find out this week how he practices. But you've got
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Speaker 3: a lot to do.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes you have a tough game and you get
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Speaker 4: better the next week and everybody says, well, who'd you play?
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Speaker 4: You won't have that problem this week. It'll be a test.
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Speaker 4: I trust they can pass the test. I don't think
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Speaker 4: what they did wrong against Seattle is necessarily not fixable.
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Speaker 4: I think the Rams will get some sacks, but again
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Speaker 4: it's going to depend on They've got to run, and
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Speaker 4: it doesn't have to be for one hundred and forty yards,
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Speaker 4: but they have to make the Rams respect the run.
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Speaker 3: The Rams aren't nearly as good against the run, at
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Speaker 3: least they haven't been this year as Seattle is, so
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Speaker 3: they should be able to find some room open.
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Speaker 1: Things up a little bit. I find the coaching matchup interesting.
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Speaker 1: It's always interesting when you're kind of facing an offense
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Speaker 1: that maybe yours is built off of. To some respect,
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Speaker 1: I asked Cohen yesterday at the presser, kind of is
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Speaker 1: that weird? Is it a pros it a con? He said,
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Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a chess match. But he
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Speaker 1: spent some time this week talking with the tensive Corneers
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Speaker 1: about game planning, and he said that was helpful for
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Speaker 1: him to kind of lay things out for coach Campanelli.
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Speaker 6: So many of the ball plays are similar that you
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Speaker 6: see each week. What makes Sean and those guys, I
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Speaker 6: think different. It is just the details that go into it,
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Speaker 6: in the amount of how specific emotions are, how efficient
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Speaker 6: they are at their operation pre snap identifying it what
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Speaker 6: they're looking for maybe in some of these plays, whether
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Speaker 6: they're can To run or Canada pass, Canada screens, whatever
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Speaker 6: it is. I think that's where he has a notch above.
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Speaker 2: John.
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Speaker 1: Liam obviously has a ton of respect for McVeigh and
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Speaker 1: what they've done with that organization. It's so it's kind
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Speaker 1: of interesting to know a little bit of the insider details,
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Speaker 1: but you also have to work on your own game plan.
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Speaker 4: Well. I think where it gets interesting is and Liam
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Speaker 4: alluded to this when he was talking there's no mystery
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Speaker 4: when Liam's coaching against McVeigh. There's no mystery about where
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Speaker 4: he's coming from, and there's no mystery about why they're
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Speaker 4: going to do certain things. And I think he said
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Speaker 4: situationally is when he'll sort of know, Okay, Sean's going
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Speaker 4: to do this here and he's going to try to
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Speaker 4: get somebody isolated here. I'm sure that's helped in game planning.
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Speaker 4: So it as we've listened to Liam this year, and
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Speaker 4: you guys have listened to him the same way I have.
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Speaker 4: You see why the McVeigh tree and the way they
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Speaker 4: approach football is starting to be the thing in the league.
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Speaker 4: There are certain coaches who define generations, Gibbs Walsh, these guys,
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Speaker 4: the McVeigh approach is starting to define the NFL. So
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Speaker 4: these you guys are both well versed in it, and
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Speaker 4: there won't be any mysteries on either side about sort
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Speaker 4: of why the other team's doing things. I think I
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Speaker 4: think guys right, she's been on all week. I think
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Speaker 4: it's the fascinating matchup it is.
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Speaker 3: And you can also, though, expect that Liam will use
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Speaker 3: some of the other influences that he's gained from his
12:15
Speaker 3: time at Kentucky, you know, from his time with Todd
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Speaker 3: Bowles and that staff over in Tampa Bay, to try
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Speaker 3: to cloud it right, muddy the water's a little bit
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Speaker 3: plan give him some things that maybe he has not seen,
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Speaker 3: which is advantage to him because Sean has been there
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Speaker 3: doing the same things over and over. Now you could say, well,
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Speaker 3: Sean's brought new coaches in and had other influence as well. Absolutely,
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Speaker 3: there are those chess pieces where it's like, how do
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Speaker 3: I disguise what he thinks I'm going to do?
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Speaker 2: And that'll make it a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the quarterback matchup, Brian.
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Speaker 1: You asked Cohen yesterday a little bit about what makes
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Speaker 1: Stafford so special. Here's what he had to say.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't trust those eyes. Now, don't trust his eyes,
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Speaker 6: but we've talked to it. It's this full command of
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Speaker 6: the operation that ultimately we have to be great with
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Speaker 6: our disguises, we have to be great with our spot
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Speaker 6: drop coverages. We've got to try to affect the pocket
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Speaker 6: obviously in a lot of ways. But he has such
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Speaker 6: a great way of dissecting pre snap and then operating
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Speaker 6: post snap.
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Speaker 4: Don't trust the eyes, Listen.
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Speaker 3: He's got seventeen years in professional football, and even when
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Speaker 3: he was in Detroit, he was a guy who was very,
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Speaker 3: very talented. What he's done with Sean McVay out there
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Speaker 3: and winning like he has has just given you a
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Speaker 3: greater sense of the type of talent that he is.
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Speaker 3: I remember standing on the practice field on Friday after
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Speaker 3: the Rams Niners Thursday night game a couple weeks back
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Speaker 3: and listening to liab raving about the things that Matt
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Speaker 3: Stafford did, and he called him the og.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the guy's just they're.
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Speaker 3: So smart and has seen almost everything over the course
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Speaker 3: of his career. You can't discount It's that's a key matchup.
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Speaker 3: It's one of the things that the Rams have on
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Speaker 3: their side every Sunday, but this week that's a guy
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Speaker 3: who could really cause a lot of problems for Well.
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Speaker 4: I think it's the thing that a lot of people
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Speaker 4: overlook about the Rams because Safford's been around forever. He's
14:16
Speaker 4: never been like the best quarterback in the league on
14:19
Speaker 4: a given years, so you know, nobody talks about him
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Speaker 4: a whole lot, but seventeen years he has seen everything.
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Speaker 4: On the Huddle Up Podcast yesterday, Bucky Brooks I thought,
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Speaker 4: really broke down Stafford well and talked about how unselfish
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Speaker 4: he is. It doesn't have to be his game. He
14:37
Speaker 4: can manage it and then when it's time for it
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Speaker 4: to be his game, he's capable of making plays. Look
14:43
Speaker 4: what Liam said. I was kind of laughing when Liam
14:46
Speaker 4: was talking about it. He's great pre snap and Greek
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Speaker 4: and great post nap, which great. What else is there
14:52
Speaker 4: going to dinner? I mean, he's very good. He can
14:57
Speaker 4: run it and you're not going to fool him a
14:59
Speaker 4: whole lot. So Look, he's high end and he may
15:03
Speaker 4: not have his best receiver this week, which which couldn't matter.
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Speaker 2: It does help.
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Speaker 4: But he also had Devanta Adams who had.
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Speaker 3: One hundred andy eight yards or two fourth quarter touchdowns
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Speaker 3: for the Jets against the Jags last year.
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Speaker 1: That one still Yeah, Yes, I think that's a good point, John,
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Speaker 1: because we've been talking a ton. Puka Nakua has not
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Speaker 1: practiced so far this week. We'll see what happens on Thursday.
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Speaker 1: But DeVante Adams got after us pretty good and he's
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Speaker 1: still talented.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I don't think any Jaguars fans are gonna forget that
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Speaker 4: for a while.
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Speaker 3: Well, and this year the Jaguars have allowed a couple
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Speaker 3: of guys to go off right. Last week we saw
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Speaker 3: one hundred and what fifty yards one hundred and sixty
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Speaker 3: yards from at Jamar Chase had won sixty five at
15:39
Speaker 3: Nico Collins had the fourth quarter touchdown one.
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Speaker 2: Hundred and four yards.
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Speaker 3: The secondary has given up two great receivers, some big performances,
15:46
Speaker 3: some great production this year, so they've got to tighten
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Speaker 3: it up absolutely.
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Speaker 4: Also, what's dangerous about the RAMS is you think about
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Speaker 4: a Cooper Cup was very, very good and then when
15:54
Speaker 4: he started to Wanne was very good. I'm not calling
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Speaker 4: them system wide receivers, but somebody in that offense is
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Speaker 4: going to get theirs if it's running right. So don't
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Speaker 4: just necessarily think if they're best guys out there, they're
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Speaker 4: not going to be.
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Speaker 1: slash Jacksonville. Welcome back to Jagzam. We're going to do
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Speaker 1: our best to predict the future of what the headlines
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Speaker 1: are going to be on Monday morning after this game
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Speaker 1: on Sunday at Wembley, Brian, what do you think they're
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Speaker 1: going to look?
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Speaker 2: Well, I'll go with friends and foes.
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Speaker 3: I think it's going to feel very friendly before the game.
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Speaker 3: Obviously for the reasons that you elaborated on at the top.
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Speaker 3: It's been a great storyline to follow all week long.
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Speaker 3: I don't think that Liam Cohen is going to walk
17:06
Speaker 3: off feeling very chummy.
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Speaker 2: I don't like this matchup very much.
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Speaker 3: I think that the Rams are quietly a much better
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Speaker 3: team than people see them as right now because of
17:15
Speaker 3: their record. They went to Philadelphia and probably should have
17:18
Speaker 3: knocked off the Eagles at a moment where the Eagles
17:21
Speaker 3: were really charging. I think the Gigers have the pieces
17:25
Speaker 3: to be able to go do this, and I love
17:26
Speaker 3: with his coach and his coaching staff for doing John.
17:29
Speaker 3: I just think that a team that's so mistake prone,
17:31
Speaker 3: I mean, they just shoot themselves in the foot over
17:34
Speaker 3: and over and over. Now, they didn't done Monday Night football,
17:37
Speaker 3: and they got the job done. But right now that
17:40
Speaker 3: the holding penalties that the quarterback's not been entirely accurate.
17:44
Speaker 3: I just have a hard time seeing them getting over
17:47
Speaker 3: this hump. I'll take four and three going into the
17:48
Speaker 3: bye week is with the extra time to really dial
17:52
Speaker 3: in on the mistake that they make, the mistakes that
17:55
Speaker 3: they make over and over and get ready for the
17:57
Speaker 3: second half of the season, which I think is a
17:59
Speaker 3: much more favorable skit.
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Speaker 4: Joel, Yeah, I think what you worry about is the
18:02
Speaker 4: Rams are one of those teams that can get tempo going,
18:05
Speaker 4: and if things are going against you early, they can
18:08
Speaker 4: take advantage of it. You worry about some mistakes and
18:13
Speaker 4: the Rams getting a double digit lead and not being
18:14
Speaker 4: able to get back into it because you're so negative
18:17
Speaker 4: all the time. I went with a rapid response, and
18:22
Speaker 4: I'm with you, Brian, I'm worried about this game. I
18:26
Speaker 4: thought before the season this Seahawks Rams stretch was really dangerous,
18:31
Speaker 4: and everybody was talking about the Chiefs and then you
18:33
Speaker 4: know there are two very quietly good teams that can
18:38
Speaker 4: get you if you're not playing well. But I went
18:41
Speaker 4: rapid response because I think it's their first chance to
18:46
Speaker 4: really respond to real adversity. When they lost to Cincinnati,
18:50
Speaker 4: it was very easy and probably correct to say well,
18:52
Speaker 4: we should have won the game, because they probably should
18:55
Speaker 4: have won the game. They were up, They had dominated
18:57
Speaker 4: that whole game, and you felt good about it. You
19:00
Speaker 4: didn't have the same good feelings after Seattle, even though
19:04
Speaker 4: to their credit, they were good enough to have figured
19:07
Speaker 4: out a way maybe get back into that game but couldn't.
19:10
Speaker 4: But they didn't outplay the Seahawks. So it's their first
19:14
Speaker 4: chance to sort of say, hey, we don't have to
19:15
Speaker 4: feel this way about ourselves. And then if they get
19:18
Speaker 4: back into it the rapid see all words matter here.
19:23
Speaker 4: I think if they're going to do it, I think
19:27
Speaker 4: before the season we all thought dynamic offense, big plays.
19:30
Speaker 4: Brian Thomas junior Travis Hunter hasn't been there. If they're
19:34
Speaker 4: gonna win, I think they have to get plays out
19:35
Speaker 4: of those guys.
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Speaker 1: My prediction is it's not necessarily negative. I think I
19:41
Speaker 1: would love to see I would love them to play
19:43
Speaker 1: the Rams again, like maybe mid season next year, because
19:47
Speaker 1: I feel for me, it just feels early to kind
19:50
Speaker 1: of judge where the Liam Cohen regime is at. Plus,
19:52
Speaker 1: I think Trevor's gonna be under a ton of pressure
19:55
Speaker 1: once again. We don't know what the offensive line is
19:57
Speaker 1: going to look like exactly. But with that Rams front
20:00
Speaker 1: going to be tough for him and for me. Situational football, right,
20:03
Speaker 1: situational masters. Liam Cohen talks about all the time. McVay
20:06
Speaker 1: is a master of that sort of thing. And I
20:08
Speaker 1: think if it comes down to anything like that, the
20:10
Speaker 1: Rams have the upper hand, and not just because of coaching.
20:13
Speaker 1: And I think that McVay is better than Cohen. I
20:15
Speaker 1: don't think that at all. But you have to have
20:16
Speaker 1: your players all bought in and understanding that. And I
20:19
Speaker 1: don't know if the Jaguars right now, with the penalties
20:22
Speaker 1: and the mistakes that they're making, if it comes down
20:23
Speaker 1: to you know, having a late to make a late
20:27
Speaker 1: drive and be really smart with the football and get
20:29
Speaker 1: out of bounce to keep your time outs, just being
20:32
Speaker 1: situationally smart, I don't know if they're there yet.
20:34
Speaker 4: Well, boy, the dismal Gray London guys got to me.
20:40
Speaker 4: Johnny Cheer over here, which is you know, always been
20:43
Speaker 4: my name. Yeah, I am seeing the ray of light.
20:46
Speaker 4: I'm ready to be wrong about that.
20:48
Speaker 2: Everybody is just to your point.
20:50
Speaker 3: He talked yesterday, Liam did about how Sean mcvagh gets
20:54
Speaker 3: the team ready, how he is able to take a
20:57
Speaker 3: tough situation and work through it, keep them up in
21:01
Speaker 3: their energy level up and the Rams show up ready
21:03
Speaker 3: to play every week because of the way that McVeigh
21:06
Speaker 3: has managed that for seven years, and that's something he
21:09
Speaker 3: admires and something he's trying to copy. So it will
21:12
Speaker 3: be interesting to see if you see something similar to
21:15
Speaker 3: this from Lee from Liam this week in that vein.
21:18
Speaker 3: Something he wants to get done is have those guys
21:20
Speaker 3: ready to play. Just because I don't know that they
21:22
Speaker 3: can overcome all of the mistakes that they make in
21:25
Speaker 3: one week doesn't mean that they can't.
21:27
Speaker 2: So we'll see.
21:27
Speaker 4: There's a little bit of I'm teasing you guys about
21:31
Speaker 4: being dismal. Also think about this, and this's and important
21:33
Speaker 4: theme this week. You have Brendon Strange out, Trayvon's still
21:37
Speaker 4: he's limited limited, you're now without Devin Lloyd. If you
21:42
Speaker 4: could squeeze this one out and get to the by
21:45
Speaker 4: five and two, beating them without those guys who are
21:48
Speaker 4: foundation pieces to me for this team, I guess I'm
21:51
Speaker 4: feeding into the dismalness, but it would be a It's
21:56
Speaker 4: going to be a tough lift and it would be
21:57
Speaker 4: impressive if they can do it. Considering those circumstances, you.
21:59
Speaker 3: Better have no more than four or five penalties if
22:01
Speaker 3: you expect to win this game. Because those created the
22:04
Speaker 3: long distance third down situations, they took away points when
22:08
Speaker 3: you had scored them. You have got to play really
22:11
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Speaker 6: We know who their good players are and have a
22:41
Speaker 6: lot of respect for them. But the message this morning
22:44
Speaker 6: was we've been to our game wreckers. You know, in
22:48
Speaker 6: a lot of ways. We've played some really good opponents,
22:50
Speaker 6: and we have a lot of respect for those opponents.
22:52
Speaker 6: But until we look at ourselves and fix our mistakes,
22:58
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter who we're playing.
23:03
Speaker 1: Nam Cohen touched on some of the same points we do.
23:06
Speaker 1: They have that game rerecords meeting where they talk about
23:07
Speaker 1: some of you know, the best players they are going
23:09
Speaker 1: to face on the upcoming team. But right now they're
23:11
Speaker 1: wrecking the game for themselves in a bad way. So
23:14
Speaker 1: just cleaning things up and getting back on track.
23:17
Speaker 3: Well, you hope that a full week of practice helps
23:20
Speaker 3: you in coverage because Greg Newsom has been here, right.
23:22
Speaker 2: I mean we saw him just briefly last week.
23:25
Speaker 3: And I was watching him with the practice field yesterday,
23:27
Speaker 3: and you know, he looked like he was more in
23:29
Speaker 3: tune with what they want. Your coverage had better be
23:31
Speaker 3: good because DeVante Adams can cause a lot of problems
23:33
Speaker 3: for you.
23:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know the exposive players and another theme. They
23:37
Speaker 4: gave up two last week and they were killers. Give
23:39
Speaker 4: a thirteen first downs, but two sixty one yard passes
23:42
Speaker 4: that counter that. But overall, you know, I think we've
23:46
Speaker 4: hit the theme if they can. You know, you can't
23:49
Speaker 4: back yourself up if you're walking backward a lot. It's
23:54
Speaker 4: hard to win in the NFL, and they walked backward
23:55
Speaker 4: way too much last week.
23:57
Speaker 1: All right, guys, enjoy the game early morning on Sunday.
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Speaker 1: We'll be back with you later days in the week
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Speaker 1: once we travel back from the UK.
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Speaker 3: But enjoy it.