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EDP20 (ft special guest @RanToJapan / Jake Barraclough): Gold Coast marathon / Pre-Classic · Easy Double podcast

• 0:18
  Hello, welcome back. To the Easy Double Podcast
• 0:20
  episode 20. Now you'll have to bear with me
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  as I go through the introductions today, because
• 0:25
  there's one more than there perhaps usually is.
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  So I'm joined, as always by Dean Menzies from thankfully now not
• 0:33
  too many kilometres away from me as I'm back in Perth.
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  How are you, Dean? Doing well mate.
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  Yeah, back from back to reality. So yeah, normal week of of
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  training for me, not in a camper van so doing well.
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  I'm glad to hear that you you made it through the camper van
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  shenanigans. You didn't get lost on Margaret
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  River. Didn't leave the kids there, so
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  no, it's still in one piece. So it's Sunday afternoon as we
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  record in Perth and we're also joined by Owen, which it's
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  Sunday morning in Ireland. How are you?
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  Great. Yeah, A.
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  Bit tired but no. I had a good week of training as
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  well. A couple of sessions ticked off
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  and yeah, no things going well. Yeah, we're just chatting off
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  air that your social calendar seems to be getting increasingly
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  busy these days since you've got back to Ireland being pulled in
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  all directions. Man, it's crazy.
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  That's why I really sort of like, loved Australia.
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  All I did was like work run, but now I've got like family and
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  friends to deal with. It's terrible to say, but every
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  kind of like a Gaelic match to go to or yeah, there's always
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  something on, but no, no, I can't complain.
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  And lastly, we're joined by a special guest off the back of
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  Gold Coast Marathon this morning, live from Queensland.
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  I don't know whether to say Jake Barcliff or ran to Japan.
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  I feel bad dropping your name but it seems like people go by
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  ran to Japan more so. Yeah, I feel like today on
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  course it was a bit a mix of both.
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  You're good with whatever. I had ran to Japan on my vest so
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  I guess I've bought into it now. There we go.
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  So thanks for joining us today because.
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  You did. Allude to the fact that you
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  might be able to join this episode during the interview and
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  perhaps give us a recap of your race.
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  So we're thankful for your time and I know the lads and the
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  listeners will be excited to hear it from the horse's mouth.
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  That's so good. It's always good fun.
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  You're getting the breaking news.
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  I reckon this will come out before the YouTube video.
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  Even so, this is serious stuff. I should be charging you boys
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  for this premium access. Yeah, how many post race
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  calories do you reckon you've gone through already?
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  Not enough. That's actually why I've got to
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  get get away. I hit 6.
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  I need some heavy refuelling. I think I took too many gels.
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  I was feeling so sick for a good few hours after just about
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  getting that appetite back. All right then I did just want
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  to say before we get going with the running stuff, I know this
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  is non related but just wanted to acknowledge the tragic
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  passion of Liverpool player Diego Jotter and his brother.
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  Earlier in the week, some people may have heard through the news
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  they died in a car crash in Spain.
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  So it's absolutely terrible and like the whole sport and world
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  just came out and kind of paid the tributes and stuff.
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  So I thought it's only fair and I wanted to give it a mention.
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  The sad news righty then. So we'll go straight to Gold
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  Coast, seeing as time is very valuable with Jake.
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  So that was this morning, and we had the half yesterday and the
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  marathon this morning was run one, fittingly, by a Japanese
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  guy in the male side. So Yuki takei takei Jake,
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  perhaps you're better saying this than I.
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  You could pass as native. IN20733 And in fact the whole
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  podium was made-up of Japanese outfit.
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  So it was Oy Otter in second and two O 831 and Ryoma Tikuchi in
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  3rd and two O 838. Now, the winner did actually
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  break the course record here by about 7 seconds, I think.
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  And perhaps I'll just go to the women's and won't say too much
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  more. We'll see.
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  Jake's reflections on the race, The win The women's was worn by
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  an Ethiopian lady to get you mayor in two 2927.
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  Caroline Killal from Kenya is second in two 2944 and jeez this
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  is a tough name in 3rd. Almet Shy Zerion in a 2/31/17,
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  also from Ethiopia. So I think as well it's fair to
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  mention that the first Australians home was Reset Woods
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  on the men's side in a 2/17/56, Simone Mckins or McCanns in the
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  women's with a 237 O 5. So I don't know where to start
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  here. Do we go straight for Jake's
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  recap or do we ask did you guys actually watch it on the stream?
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  I watched, I was watching part of the stream this morning
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  because you could say, was it like a couple familiar faces in
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  terms of pacing the women's race?
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  And it looked like it was just the three ladies that were first
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  to third. They were getting paced, weren't
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  they, by Moose? And they looked like they were
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  sitting on a pretty even, like it looked like he was.
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  It looked like it looked a little tough in terms of the
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  weather. I'd be interested to hear what
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  you thought, Jake. And it's probably a little bit
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  different coming from EU coming from Tokyo, being it's currently
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  already, you might be a bit more acclimated, but it looked like
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  it was a little bit muggy. It looked like people were
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  working a little bit hard. But I saw that was sort of
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  cutting between that pack and the Leeds men pack, lead men's
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  pack. But yeah, first observation was
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  sort of those three women were sort of what looked to be clear
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  and like the pace it the paces look to be doing a good job.
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  Did you see some of that as you were going?
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  I got it, yeah. Yeah, I feel like I was because
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  it's sort of the course you do that out and back, but that
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  actually changed it from last year to the.
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  Oh, so you don't see them coming back the other way?
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  We saw parts of it, but it was, I kind of forgotten what it
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  looked like last year, but it was a bit different.
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  So it was sort of, I think last year you came out slightly
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  inland and you come back along the coast wide and they'd almost
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  flipped it. This time there was some we sort
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  of interspersed a bit. But yeah, I was, I was deep in
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  the pain cave from quite early. So I wasn't too focused on on
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  anything else going on around. We're just trying to survive,
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  get to the end. That's did you have sorry go
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  wrong. No, I was just going to say, did
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  you have a specific plan of how you were going to run it and
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  sort of like splits and stuff or?
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  So it's sort of, I reckon I was in about 220 shape coming in
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  like based on sort of sessions I've done it.
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  Like it was definitely probably the worst shape I've been in
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  maybe since moving to Japan just with whole hospital thing, even
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  though I mean, it was only maybe two weeks fully off running.
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  But I think the whole when you're on antibiotics, you're
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  just your body's fighting for survival.
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  So properly knocked me back, like I did a yeah, like an all
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  out 5K basically a few weeks after that around like 19
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  minutes. So I felt like I was properly
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  starting from scratch. And I've had like I've got some
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  big weeks in, but it's still so early.
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  It's almost like this would be the ideal time to kind of start
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  American Block now from this point where as it just came so
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  quick. Gold Coast.
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  That coming in I was like in the back of my head I kind of
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  thought where do I run 215 or blow off and run three hours?
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  It's the same thing. Like it doesn't help.
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  As in, if it's not APB, it's not really helping me move up the
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  rankings or whatever increase. Yeah, to be fair, it doesn't
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  really matter. So I was thinking, oh, maybe I
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  just go for it. But then I felt like I was
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  basically flat out just running like 217 pace at the start.
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  So I pretty quickly realized that I don't think I could have
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  even got the halfway on for APB. So then I kind of settled into,
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  yeah, it was like maybe. So I split halfway.
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  AI think it was bang on 69, feeling OK.
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  At that point I've been solo for about 10K.
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  So it split up really quickly. Basically from the start there
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  was like a fairly big group for like one or two K and then that
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  sort of whittled down. And then my group, there's maybe
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  four of us and in almost every kilometre someone dropped.
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  So then quite quickly I'm like, OK, there's going to be a long
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  solo grind. And then it was just sort of try
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  and dip that sub 220 barrier that sort of what was in my
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  head, like keep it rolling, try and run sort of even split, not
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  absolutely pop because Gold Coast the first time, like when
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  I did it last year, I lost about 3 minutes in the final 5K.
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  Like I was on on for about 214 I think, because I was really it
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  was like Reese, Tommy Dicanto, we're in a whole perfect like
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  squad until, yeah, maybe 35 K and it just like completely
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  disintegrated and it got painful.
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  And that U-turn like at around 35 point sale 36 KS you then
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  often the prevailing wind is into your face.
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  But it looked like on the forecast the weather the wind
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  wasn't as bad. Was it a bit kinder today?
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  Yeah, that was the, I think that was the saving grace.
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  Like, yeah, last year you hit that headwind and it's just, I
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  feel like you're barely moving here.
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  It was, I don't know if it was a cross wind or what, but it never
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  felt windy. So I even though I was solo, it
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  didn't feel like I was battling into the wind.
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  It wasn't too bad, too fair. I've seen on one of the photos
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  you've got like something on on your tricep.
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  Is that like and? That's a blood cloakose monitor,
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  isn't it? It's actually so my dad's come
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  out here on so we're going for a little holiday for like 2 weeks.
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  So he came to like watch the marathon and then we travel.
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  He's diabetic. And we suddenly had a thought
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  yesterday. We're like, oh, let's wrap this
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  on then we can check it through the race, see what my carbs were
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  like to basically see the sugar level to then look back, see,
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  oh, was it under fuel, over fueled, that kind of thing.
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  It's quite interesting looking at it and I think I was bang on
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  sort of stable because I'm, yeah, I feel like I've got more
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  on it with the carbs. If anything, maybe took a bit
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  too much. Like I was pretty high sugar
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  level. I wasn't under fuelling.
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  Yeah, I was, I was powering the the gels down and everything
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  because I think that was the biggest thing last year at Gold
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  Coast. I think I was way under fueled,
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  like just popped at the end because I think you took a
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  couple gels or something and that was it.
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  And it was after that I was like way more aware that yeah, I've
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  got to be pretty on it. So yeah, it's kind of
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  interesting to use that and look back.
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  We wore them. We wore those during COVID.
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  There was a group of us, I think one of just a group of refs
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  athletes, we wore them because they they last for like two or
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  three weeks. And I think you just Bluetooth
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  like you just put your phone basically to the back of it and
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  it sort of syncs the data up. And I think the biggest spikes I
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  remember seeing for myself was like like track sessions.
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  You would see like this huge spike.
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  And then what we did notice is for some athletes, particularly
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  those that were more susceptible to sort of bonking in the back
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  end of the marathon, you would see a drop.
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  So it's good to know that in the back part of your marathon so
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  you're not seeing any sort of it fall away.
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  No, no, it's. Dead Sea with your Did you find
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  it in school or like? Yeah, it was more just a trend
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  like it's like some things where it's good to know that I'm
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  you're not like necessarily someone that's susceptible to
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  sort of like call it like bonking or you know, like some
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  people even when we're doing like say zone 1 long runs,
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  they'd get 2 hours in and you'd see it start to fall and then
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  they would struggle. And I think they were almost, it
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  was almost like they're maybe less fat adapted.
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  Like they were less able to sort of, they weren't as efficient as
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  burning fuel. And so I would imagine for
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  someone like yourself that's puts through so many miles and
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  puts through so much fuel, you would be naturally very good
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  already. And so it's probably just
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  confirming that. And then like you say, you're
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  probably just optimizing your fuel by taking on as much as you
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  can in a race. So it's probably just confirming
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  what you hope to already see. Yeah, and that makes sense.
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  Obviously the build up wasn't ideal and I feel like for a
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  marathon you sort of have to be like fit enough to start the
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  marathon block, like to just push on again.
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  So you in a way like this is probably an unreal training step
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  training run for you. Like the effort you buy out
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  there today was better than any training session really that you
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  could have probably put in and Yogi just with the race
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  conditions and all that. But I'm curious about the shoes.
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  How did what shoes did you wear and how did they feel?
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  Oh no, they were good. Actually, I'd only so I worked
• 12:44
  the new Brooks Hyperion 5. I've been wearing the, I put in
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  four PVI think they're called in like track sessions and stuff.
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  I like them because they're, you know, a lot of the Super shoes
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  are pretty squishy, like pro Fours Alpha Flight, like they're
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  quite soft. I found they kind of screw my
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  calves a little bit, you know, like if you're sinking in all
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  the time, I guess your calves dropping lower or something.
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  It's like my calves have always been my sort of weakness,
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  whereas in them, because they're a little bit firmer.
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  Yeah, I was having no problem. So I quite like them.
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  And the fives are similar, they're just a bit lighter.
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  Yeah, no complaints. They yeah, they got the job
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  done. So the PB, I think Ben Felton
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  ran his half marathon personal best of them as well.
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  They're sort of like a light bluey green shoe, are they?
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  Yeah, that's it. I think it's that's a different
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  it's the same to the new one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  It's like the PBS some kind of it stands for something.
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  It's like their new foam formula.
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  I think it's a big improvement on the old ones and that's what
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  the five have as well, but they've some are made it lighter
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  or whatever. I'm the least like shoe
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  technical guy. I'm like oh, they feel good.
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  Yeah, job done. That's I'm definitely not a shoe
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  tuber, Yeah. I think I'm starting on the same
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  as you. Like you get when you felt you
• 14:04
  put your foot into a soft shoe, you're like, Oh my God, this is
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  so good. But now you're sort of like sick
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  of the softness and you actually want to like feel the ground
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  again. So I bought a pair of like Nike
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  Streak Fly two there the other day and again, you could feel
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  the ground and I'm sort of like, Oh my God, this is actually,
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  it's nice to actually be able to push off the ground again.
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  Yeah, you're so used because everything now is just bigger,
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  bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger. It's like Go Max, whereas it's
• 14:27
  slightly more old school style. But now I kind of yeah, I like
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  them. I guess we should also
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  acknowledge that Jake has recently signed a deal with
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  Brooks, hence wearing these shoes because I think we
• 14:38
  mentioned it before, but we might not have been recorded.
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  And then so and I was listening to your your video, Jake, where
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  you kind of announced it and you mentioned it's kind of a bit of
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  a crossover between a kit or a shoe deal, however you'd call it
• 14:52
  unlike the influence inside as well.
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  So obviously not wanting to mess up any Ndas, but what can you
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  tell us about the deal? Yeah, yeah.
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  So it's like, I mean, yeah, I've ran 214, but if you look at all
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  the other Brooks guys that are signed, they're sort of at least
• 15:09
  just under 210 or maybe like 210 level.
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  So that's probably, if I had no YouTube channel, none of that
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  sort of the level I'd have to be.
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  And that's obviously the target. That's what I want to get to.
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  But it shows that, yeah, the the value of the YouTube channel.
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  It was worth starting that and they've I think they see it as
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  yeah, basically promotion. They they've seen the value in
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  the videos that I mean yeah, just the comments on my latest
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  round. It's crazy people are I feel
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  like they've made their money back bricks already when you're
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  saying I'm buying some brick shoes.
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  I'm going out now getting a new pet.
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  Insane. But yes, I'll do a bit of what I
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  like is that they basically don't want to mess with my
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  videos at all. So they're they say you keep
• 15:50
  recording however you want You you do your style.
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  And then it's more of a natural integration.
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  Like I'm wearing Brooks kit now all the time.
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  It's not like in every video I've got to be like, oh, by
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  Brooks, like get this, get this, that kind of thing.
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  So I quite like it. It's much more natural.
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  This Yeah, I keep making YouTube videos as it is.
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  And then there's obviously like performance bonuses and stuff.
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  There's incentives to try and like, keep improving, get quick
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  over the marathon. And have they, have they offered
• 16:20
  you like coaching at all or that's purely down left to you
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  as well? That's basically all their
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  athletes are in America, and with me, they're trying to stay
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  in. With me trying to stay in.
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  Do we keep rolling? Yeah.
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  Yeah, we keep rolling. Ryan can.
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  Ryan can cut himself in and out. That's no problem.
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  If this is still in the original take, just FYI, Ryan's just left
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  the left the chat. But that's this stuff what it's
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  worth, Jake, this stuff happens all the time and we just cut it
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  out or or or we don't. And then when someone messages
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  us to say we forgot. To cut it out so.
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  I like to get in the behind the scenes.
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  Yeah, I can't. Where was that?
• 17:12
  All the Brooks at least being based in America, like yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, coaching. We've, yeah, we're coaching
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  because I want to stay in Japan. I'm trying to at the moment,
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  actually, I'm in talks with a few different Japanese teams to
• 17:25
  try because that's basically, that would be the game changer
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  if I could join a group, get pulled along.
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  So I. Yeah, and that's what you
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  mentioned. That's what you mentioned in you
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  on your on, on the on the chat with Ryan is just that you see a
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  way for you to improve particularly for your workouts
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  would be just to try because you're when you first moved you
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  would your group which sessions were.
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  So we're working pretty well, whereas now you're having to do
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  so much solo. Yeah, it was unreal for that.
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  I probably came across at, I don't know, 222 roughly kind of
• 17:54
  shape. And then because everyone in the
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  group was 222 to maybe 217. It's unreal.
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  Like every session I'm just sort of moving slowly up through the
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  group. But then the worst bit is being
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  the fastest and it's like I'd have to slow my paces down to
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  run with people or what I've basically just done is decide,
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  right, I'm sure have to solo everything because if I'm trying
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  to up the levels, I can't really be training like a 270
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  marathoner trying to run a 210 marathon.
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  But then yeah, there's plenty of 210 guys in Japan, the hundreds,
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  whoever is just actually getting in a squad.
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  That's the challenging but. You're actually making steps to
• 18:34
  see if that's possible. You do think that's potential?
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  Like that's at all possible. Yeah, I had a a meeting a couple
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  of days ago with one of the managers from the teams.
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  I've been firing out some emails, ChatGPT them obviously
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  for the Japanese. I'm like, and then they and then
• 18:52
  they meet me on Zoom and I'm like, like this fluent Japanese
• 18:58
  e-mail. I actually had to get one of my
• 19:02
  mates in who's bilingual. It's like a translator.
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  I was like, I can, I can chat basic, but if we're trying to
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  talk like details and stuff, there's no chance that's
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  happening. So I'm hoping, yeah, that one of
• 19:16
  these come through and I can join one of the teams soon.
• 19:19
  That's cool. Obviously you are, I'm just
• 19:22
  really interested in in the shoes.
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  I don't know why, but you're a big obviously night guy before.
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  What is your like daily trainer now?
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  Night. I've never heard of Nike, mate.
• 19:31
  No, that's bad. Well, you know what you're
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  talking about. I've always been a bricks man.
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  Sorry. Wait, what was the question?
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  Sorry. What is your like daily shoe to
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  go to now if you're just going out for let's say A20K or A10K
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  run, what is your shoe? So the it's actually a perfect.
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  It's almost like for like I feel like.
• 19:52
  So I always used to run in vomero.
• 19:54
  That was my like go to. Now I've got the glycerin Unreal
• 19:58
  like yeah, just I feel a bit easy running.
• 20:02
  Sort of a cushion in there gets the job done.
• 20:04
  So that's what I've been doing all these days.
• 20:06
  Because I feel like like now I all the shoe brands are on level
• 20:09
  like like every shoe has every brand is like a different type
• 20:13
  of shoe for you. So like the Romero's the
• 20:15
  equivalent of the Glycerin, like super shoes is on the same level
• 20:19
  as the Brooks super shoe. So certainly, yeah, that's the
• 20:22
  good thing about today. Like all the shoes are like par.
• 20:24
  I think they're all the same. Yeah, so much more even playing
• 20:27
  field and I think, yeah, it's more comes down to preference.
• 20:30
  Yeah, 1 might be a little softer, 1 slightly higher stack.
• 20:33
  I want it's all more personal preference exactly at this
• 20:36
  point. So Josh, Josh Cares obviously
• 20:40
  got his own like signature spike with them, hasn't he?
• 20:43
  I wonder when we'll get like the the Rant to Japan Super shoe.
• 20:46
  I assume that must be in the works.
• 20:48
  There's got to be talks behind the scene.
• 20:51
  Surely if Josh goes game on the rant to Japan fan base they need
• 20:57
  the custom spike. Are are Brooks, do they have a
• 21:01
  big presence in Japan, like from a retail point of view, are they
• 21:04
  on this High Street and stuff? Tiny, I think so that's part of
• 21:08
  the thing they want to because it I never see anyone wearing
• 21:11
  Brooks in Japan. It's all ASICS added as Nike.
• 21:15
  So I think that's part of the reason they see that I've got
• 21:18
  that sort of reach over there to I guess help them sort of grow
• 21:23
  in the Asian market because they're pretty small.
• 21:25
  Well, in Australia, what do you see a fair amount of Brooks or?
• 21:30
  Yeah, I mean, Brooks used to be like very popular, like
• 21:34
  particularly when there was like, like the structured, more
• 21:37
  structured shoes became like in vogue, like the Brooks base.
• 21:41
  I don't know if you got this is the shoes right.
• 21:44
  Yeah, super heavy like I, I used to wear them again because they
• 21:48
  were sort of, you know, support shoes and those exactly those
• 21:52
  Beastie shoes that basically people would wear rather than
• 21:55
  putting on an orthotic. They were quite popular.
• 21:59
  I always I reckon we were running in them early like up
• 22:02
  until early 2010. So and they had like racing
• 22:05
  flats that were fairly popular in in ounces.
• 22:08
  It wasn't until like Nike and the the 4%, I think they're when
• 22:12
  they when Nike sort of started to get back in the in the game.
• 22:16
  But Brooks were always sat alongside ASICS and some of
• 22:18
  those other shoes in terms of having a having a range of
• 22:21
  either support or neutral shoes that people liked in Perth.
• 22:25
  So they and they still do like most retailers, like sporting
• 22:29
  retailers would would have a range of Brooks shoes for sure.
• 22:31
  It's. In the UK stuff you see them a
• 22:34
  lot, right? UK and Ireland lots of.
• 22:37
  With the all the run run crews and like the the social and the
• 22:41
  fun run clubs, though they're all wearing like Nike and Adidas
• 22:44
  and ASICS and stuff, aren't they?
• 22:47
  That's where like Brooks aren't presents.
• 22:49
  I guess some like old school runners who like get the get the
• 22:53
  feet fitted and tested and stuff.
• 22:55
  They'll get recommended a Brook shoe because it's like the
• 22:58
  perfect one for them. But like the the fashionable
• 23:01
  runners or whatever, however you'd call them, feel like they
• 23:04
  wouldn't put Brooks on. The the high rocks type.
• 23:10
  Let's not go there. Yeah, you I love it was true
• 23:15
  that podcast that I found that it was the what is it?
• 23:20
  Start high rocks, the hybrid. Hybrid Rocks.
• 23:24
  That's incredible. That's great.
• 23:29
  But I worked in sort of one of them like specialty running
• 23:32
  stores when I was in Australia. And arguably the best selling
• 23:36
  shoe would have been like the Brooks Adrenaline or the Brooks
• 23:40
  Brooks Littering, because it's just such a good shoe for like
• 23:42
  people's feet, like it supports them, like it suits everyone.
• 23:45
  So yeah, it's actually a really good brand to get into it as
• 23:49
  well. Yeah, pretty, yeah, pretty
• 23:52
  buzzing to lock that in. So yeah, no, no, good video.
• 23:55
  Yeah, I feel like. It's a big expense.
• 23:57
  It's a big expense ticked off. How did you get on?
• 24:02
  Yeah, crazy. How did you get on with your
• 24:04
  shakeout run yesterday? It was, I said, see, I was.
• 24:09
  I thought maybe I'll do my own thing, like like whack on my
• 24:13
  story or advertising a video. I'm almost glad it didn't
• 24:17
  because like it just could have been too much.
• 24:20
  So I ended up because like organizing it, I was like, oh,
• 24:23
  so I've just partnered up with Pillar Performance for some like
• 24:27
  videos around Gold Coast and they were doing a shakeout
• 24:29
  around and was like, oh, come along.
• 24:31
  So I kind of just tagged team with them, put it on my story,
• 24:35
  said, Oh yeah, anyone wants to come.
• 24:36
  And jeez, people showed up still.
• 24:39
  Like it wasn't even near. You had to get like a 45 minute
• 24:42
  bus down. It wasn't even really in central
• 24:45
  Gold Coast. So it's like kind of out the
• 24:46
  way, but yeah, crazy, like so many people there as well.
• 24:51
  So yeah, it's insane how many people I've met here on the Gold
• 24:54
  Coast. I think we chatted a bit about
• 24:57
  this offline, but just when we were watching the live stream,
• 25:01
  the amount of comments that were about the rent of Japan Army
• 25:05
  versus like, because I think a lot of the footage either cut
• 25:09
  between the lead men and women's packs and you and you were sat
• 25:13
  somewhere in the middle and there were people.
• 25:16
  The the the the chat was like blowing up with a bit of outrage
• 25:20
  that there wasn't enough ranted Japan content being displayed.
• 25:24
  I don't know if you've seen much of it or have any any anything
• 25:28
  more to add, but it was it was it was cool for us to see.
• 25:32
  Yeah, oh, it was insane. Yeah, we were saying before
• 25:35
  affair. But like in Japan I'll get
• 25:38
  recognised occasionally. Like maybe if I'm running at
• 25:41
  Yogi Park, I might bump into some foreigners because my
• 25:45
  Japanese audience is still pretty small because, like, I'm
• 25:48
  speaking in English. So with that language barrier,
• 25:50
  it's actually not super common to get recognized.
• 25:52
  And this was the first time, I mean, other than Copenhagen, but
• 25:56
  I spent that whole time in a hospital.
• 25:58
  So yeah, there wasn't much opportunity to meet people.
• 26:01
  But here, like, genuinely insane.
• 26:05
  It was. It was crazy just how just
• 26:08
  getting stopped constantly walking down the street, like at
• 26:11
  my hotel everywhere. It's legendary.
• 26:15
  And then yeah, on course was just it was almost at first it
• 26:18
  was actually a bit overwhelming because you know, see at the
• 26:21
  start you do a little out and back loop bit.
• 26:24
  So the first you kind of go out three K and then you come back
• 26:28
  and it may be 5K. You're sort of looping past all
• 26:31
  the massive runners and they're like basically for 10 minutes
• 26:35
  straight. I had Jake run to Japan, shouted
• 26:38
  at me every second like it was in it's bad because, you know,
• 26:43
  in a race, if it's one or two, you might acknowledge or give a
• 26:45
  little nod or. And at first I'm doing that and
• 26:48
  then I'm like, I'm going to be exhausted if if this is going
• 26:51
  the whole way. I was like, it was, yeah, a
• 26:53
  little bit too much. But then I kind of just
• 26:55
  eventually just kind of got used to it and just locked in so I
• 26:58
  could hear it all. But, and it definitely helped
• 27:01
  that, I reckon without that I'm not dipping to 20.
• 27:05
  That was worth a minute. Just having this constant like
• 27:08
  wall of support. There was a point.
• 27:11
  There was a point where in the stream, I think Mona must have
• 27:14
  been sick of, of reading all the comments or maybe finally, like,
• 27:18
  made sense of it all. And he was like, oh, they're
• 27:20
  going crazy about this guy from Japan in the chat.
• 27:23
  Oh yeah. You mentioned it.
• 27:27
  Oh, that's good. Injury.
• 27:28
  Yeah, I bet anyone watching must have been a little bit pissed
• 27:30
  off if they didn't know. Like what?
• 27:32
  Why are we chatting about this random guy back in 219?
• 27:35
  I got proper runners at the front.
• 27:38
  Yeah, that's a joke I guess. Then, looking forwards, are we
• 27:42
  allowed to ask you about future races plans from Gold Coast now
• 27:46
  that you've got that one on the above?
• 27:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can, we can keep it a little
• 27:50
  bit discreet, but yeah, yeah, there's there's stuff in the
• 27:53
  works. Will you run 1/2?
• 27:54
  Between now like or will you dabble in some shorter races?
• 27:58
  Yeah. Yeah, I've actually got.
• 27:59
  So I'm doing a little bit of travel after.
• 28:01
  I'm going to Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane.
• 28:04
  I'm racing next Sunday the Melbourne 10K the run, Melbourne
• 28:09
  10K all the run. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:13
  Roll it. Yeah.
• 28:15
  Last year was one in. Just under 30.
• 28:17
  So I thought that could I'm in town, I might as well jump in a
• 28:22
  race. So I've got, that's just the
• 28:24
  yeah, sort of bit of fun. And then I want to hit a few
• 28:26
  quick halves like because I think to run a 210, if I'm
• 28:31
  looking at that later this year, I probably got to get my half to
• 28:34
  sub 63, like a 62 something I reckon.
• 28:40
  So then, yeah, just trying to work on that kind of speed
• 28:42
  stuff. Maybe it's in 10 KS.
• 28:44
  The trouble you've got, it's so hot in Japan until about even
• 28:48
  November could be like 25. I feel like I run best in about
• 28:53
  5, if not lower like like Maragami for me unrealized.
• 28:57
  Yeah, that was yeah, close to freezing.
• 29:00
  So. So it's just going to be
• 29:02
  survival for next few months and you try and hit a quick yeah,
• 29:05
  maybe half and then full marathon later this year and
• 29:08
  even when. It's that warm.
• 29:09
  Will you try and still maintain that mileage?
• 29:11
  Yeah. I mean, it's not fun, but I
• 29:15
  think I'm actually when I get back going to head up to
• 29:18
  altitude. That's what the last summer I
• 29:20
  spent like a month in the mountains.
• 29:22
  That's the plan. Round 2 again, like I remember
• 29:28
  no material, no total, but I mean, I might head back to the
• 29:33
  same the same. Was it convenient?
• 29:39
  Yeah, that might have been the highlight of my Japan my.
• 29:43
  Japan. Time so far because we don't
• 29:46
  know yeah I was I was doing a home stay this Japanese family
• 29:50
  who in this sort of altitude sort of a bit like a font remote
• 29:53
  or one of those attitude places all the athletes there and they
• 29:56
  had this dormitory but it happened that it was only girls
• 30:00
  there so it was like me and 3040 of these Japanese girls in a
• 30:07
  house who's. It's fantastic experience.
• 30:12
  That was no, I think that's your like.
• 30:13
  Second or third YouTube video, please go back and give it a
• 30:16
  watch. It is priceless.
• 30:18
  It's so funny, I wish I was. Screamed when I was there
• 30:21
  because I think I I was it was post Yeah.
• 30:24
  Just I think that's why it just kicks out of the YouTube
• 30:25
  channel. Maybe I have to get some some
• 30:27
  live vlog content this time? And come here.
• 30:33
  I know in your previous your YouTube video you just released,
• 30:36
  you sort of you have a little note about your iron levels.
• 30:40
  Like will you want to get that under control before you
• 30:43
  obviously go to altitude again? Yeah, this is so.
• 30:45
  That's almost that in itself pretty much from so we Tokyo
• 30:50
  Marathon, there was a period of maybe two months where because
• 30:54
  I've been getting probably every month my iron check to sort of
• 30:57
  see, and it was that two-month period.
• 31:00
  I crept back up. It wasn't even high, but my sort
• 31:03
  of hemoglobin, red blood cell, all of those were in the like
• 31:06
  normal range, acceptable range. And I took, yeah, 5 minutes off
• 31:10
  my marathon without actually getting any fitter.
• 31:13
  Nothing in my training, training changed.
• 31:15
  So like purely, it's almost like you're running with a limiter
• 31:19
  with the iron deficiency. And so I'm thinking now because
• 31:22
  I'm back at where I was right before when I was like, bats are
• 31:27
  all of my hemoglobin red blood cell.
• 31:30
  Yeah, I guess you just can't transport the oxygen around your
• 31:32
  body. So like suddenly you fix that.
• 31:34
  And today could have been, I don't know, 2:15.
• 31:37
  So it's almost it's it's quite deceptive, but I don't feel like
• 31:40
  I need to get much fitter. Almost just the priorities are
• 31:43
  going to be sorting that. Will you?
• 31:46
  Like like so I always thought that if your ferritins 50 or
• 31:51
  below that it has a potential to impact on the yeah, production
• 31:55
  of hemoglobin. And then so here I think if it's
• 31:59
  30 or under, like a general GP would be able to administer A
• 32:04
  and I forget the the dosage, but there's like a regular dosage.
• 32:07
  Whereas it sounds like in Japan, it's very regulated and more
• 32:10
  regulated such that the amount that you can get is well below
• 32:13
  sort of what the regular amount is.
• 32:16
  So is that part of the problem? Is that because it's, it's a
• 32:20
  more common issue, particularly in for females in sport, that
• 32:24
  they sort of struggle with their iron levels.
• 32:25
  And this is a way to do it such that you sort of just get them
• 32:28
  back up. Like you can get it topped up
• 32:30
  and sort of continue about, you know, life basically.
• 32:34
  Yeah, because. So I've had some higher doses,
• 32:37
  but I think it's still nothing compared to because, you know,
• 32:41
  it's almost like they're they're so conservative with it.
• 32:44
  I was having to go every week when it was really bad and get
• 32:48
  an iron dose. But then I was looking at the
• 32:50
  amount and it's miniscule because talking to Aussies,
• 32:54
  they're like you get it done once and bang your sorted.
• 32:57
  Like that's that's it. Yeah, you don't say.
• 32:59
  Two years or something like it, it'll say enough.
• 33:02
  You get your, you know, you might get this checked six
• 33:05
  months or once a year, but the amount you get sends you back
• 33:09
  into the hundreds ordinarily. And so you're sort of.
• 33:11
  Yeah. It's interesting that it's, it's
• 33:13
  so conservative. Yeah, it's almost.
• 33:16
  Worth me looking into it while I'm here trying to yeah, sort
• 33:18
  that one out. I I think the problem is because
• 33:21
  it's just with how much I'm running, I'm always going to be
• 33:24
  so susceptible to it. So it's like my body can handle
• 33:27
  it like physically, but the it's like the foot strike because I
• 33:31
  guess every time you land, you're you're crushing those red
• 33:34
  blood cells. It's like how many times you're
• 33:36
  pounding those pavements running.
• 33:38
  Yeah, like 250 KA week. I think it's going to be this
• 33:41
  could be a constant, like battle almost.
• 33:43
  Yeah, a mate of mine. Actually did his at uni did his
• 33:46
  masters in red blood shell iron loss through heel strike in in
• 33:51
  runners. I think just because it's, yeah,
• 33:53
  such a such a thing. Yeah, yeah, sounds pretty
• 33:56
  common. I I think a lot of people, yeah,
• 33:57
  especially females, suffer with it whilst we've still.
• 34:00
  Got Jake. Should we go through the half
• 34:02
  marathon yesterday as well and see if he's can give us any
• 34:06
  insights on that from potentially seeing it on the
• 34:08
  road? So in the women's, Leanne
• 34:11
  Pompiani took the win there in 6914.
• 34:15
  So last week you may have had Owen and myself hypothesising
• 34:20
  whether Leanne or Jess Stenson would come up, come out on top
• 34:23
  there. I think we both sided with
• 34:25
  Leanne and it looks like unfortunately Jess ended up
• 34:28
  having a bad day. She was side by side with her
• 34:30
  through perhaps 10K and then she's just faded a little bit so
• 34:35
  she ended up running a 114. So Caitlin Adams came through
• 34:39
  for second in a 7026 and there was a Japanese girl in 3rd in a
• 34:45
  7040. On the men's side, Andy Buchanan
• 34:49
  took the win and he took also the all comers record, which is
• 34:53
  the fastest ever time on Australian soil.
• 34:56
  So he's ran 61 O 8 to take Pat Carroll's record of 6111 and I'm
• 35:03
  trying to think how long it stood for.
• 35:05
  I don't want to say 30 years in in case it's incorrect, but it's
• 35:08
  a long time. Second was a Japanese guy, Kenya
• 35:13
  Sonota in 6110 and third was another Japanese guy, Noya
• 35:18
  Sakuda in a 6111. Then we also had Australians
• 35:23
  come in 4th and 5th for Isaac Kane and Sam Clifford.
• 35:26
  And again on last weeks discussion between our and I, we
• 35:30
  were talking about whether it would be Andy or Brett Robinson
• 35:33
  with the win. And yeah, Brett took it out
• 35:35
  pretty hard. And then he kind of suffered a
• 35:38
  little bit in the back half. He didn't suffer in the back
• 35:40
  half. DNF sorry, after 10K.
• 35:43
  So it's sad to see that because and I were rooting for him
• 35:47
  there. But yeah, did you guys see this
• 35:49
  one? Any opinions on how the race has
• 35:51
  unfolded? Was that M San?
• 35:52
  Clifford's half racking debut already ran one before.
• 35:56
  I think he ran in. Launceston, didn't he a few
• 35:58
  weeks back? Potentially.
• 36:00
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He did.
• 36:02
  He also ran. He ran 1/2 in the marathon
• 36:05
  today, he dropped out AT21K and he ran 65 minutes.
• 36:09
  Really. I think he.
• 36:12
  Was wait sound like I think he was pacing Reece.
• 36:16
  So he he came in as like an unofficial pacemaker, I think
• 36:20
  last minute because Reece was looking to run.
• 36:23
  Yeah, like 210 or so 211. So that's what they were rolling
• 36:26
  through at half Crazy after that half marathon yesterday.
• 36:29
  Just a casual 65, just like maybe think.
• 36:32
  You're the king of recovery. Yeah.
• 36:34
  All right. Put me to shame.
• 36:36
  Yeah, his name suddenly come out of nowhere, like the ASICS
• 36:39
  event. He was absolutely flying.
• 36:42
  He just sort of popped off recently.
• 36:44
  I think he'd done it. I.
• 36:45
  Had him. He'd done an interview a couple
• 36:47
  of months back and it sounds like he had a really good couple
• 36:50
  of years when he was younger and then he kind of fell off a
• 36:52
  little bit and perhaps wasn't living the running lifestyle, if
• 36:56
  you like. And then since he's like came
• 36:58
  back and been a bit more mature, he's popped off, Yes, serious.
• 37:02
  Talent there. Jeez, not a car.
• 37:05
  Horse. Nah, yeah, he's got.
• 37:07
  Some wheels for sure. Did you?
• 37:09
  Did you see the way Andy won this?
• 37:12
  Like it looked like he was finished at one point he got
• 37:14
  gapped by like, it's hard to tell, but between 5 and 10
• 37:18
  meters and it looked like if anyone from Australia was going
• 37:21
  to win, it was Isaac Hayne. And then he just got himself
• 37:25
  back on and put the 2 Japanese guys to the sword.
• 37:28
  Like he's so incredibly strong, isn't he?
• 37:30
  He was like repeated last year. I literally.
• 37:33
  Thought when I was watching it that I was watching a replay at
• 37:35
  one point I like checked the stream because I was like, have
• 37:38
  I like just opened up the stream from last year because it was
• 37:42
  him just getting dropped. Isaac Kane like smiling at the
• 37:46
  camera at like 45 minutes looking really strong.
• 37:50
  And I was like, isn't this? Didn't we?
• 37:52
  I've seen this before and then yeah.
• 37:55
  Yeah. And then when it got.
• 37:56
  To AK to go and Andy's like closed the gap.
• 37:59
  I was like, this is like it was unbelievable.
• 38:02
  Because on that you go over that little like lump, like over that
• 38:06
  little canal. And you know, you take that
• 38:08
  corner as you sort of come when you're more exposed to the wind,
• 38:11
  then you, you turn and come off that corner.
• 38:13
  And then there's sort of that finishing straight.
• 38:14
  It's about AK to go. And yeah, Andy sort of went to
• 38:17
  the front there. And that's I'm pretty sure
• 38:19
  that's exactly what he did last year, albeit I think they ran 62
• 38:23
  1/2 minutes last year. So to run, you know, 61 close to
• 38:27
  61 flat, that's pretty pretty fast going was funny in.
• 38:31
  The commentary of them, if you heard it, but it was Mona and
• 38:35
  that Pat Carroll, they had them there as well.
• 38:37
  And they were kind of like hypothesizing all the way and
• 38:39
  flair and with would the record go with it not.
• 38:42
  And you could tell Pat Carroll was like quite severely stressed
• 38:47
  by the thought of it going. And then when they started to
• 38:49
  slow, maybe like 10 to 15 K, he was chilling out a little bit.
• 38:54
  And then they started kicking down again.
• 38:56
  And he was like, Mono was trying to commentate on the race
• 39:00
  unfolding. Like, forget about the time.
• 39:02
  Look at what's happening in front of us.
• 39:04
  And then Pat Carroll keep coming back in with like, oh, I think
• 39:07
  they're about 5 seconds off pace.
• 39:09
  Oh, no, it's looking like it's going to go.
• 39:12
  I was watching the. Live stream as well.
• 39:13
  It was very entertaining, but it seemed to be he didn't really
• 39:17
  care about who won. It was purely what's the record
• 39:19
  getting broken? Yeah.
• 39:22
  He was one of the first, I think Pat Carroll was one of the first
• 39:25
  to comment when it didn't go because it missed.
• 39:26
  They missed it by like 5 to 10 seconds at Launceston about a
• 39:30
  month or so ago. And, and his comment was like my
• 39:32
  record lives sort of thing. So you then have him in the
• 39:35
  commentary booth, like sweating on it.
• 39:38
  And because I think they went through 10K in what, 2840,
• 39:41
  right? So they went through, which I
• 39:44
  think was ahead. And so then he's starting and
• 39:46
  then so they went through a 10K ahead of record pace.
• 39:50
  And then he starts talking about the shoes, like super shoes and
• 39:53
  about them, about them falling over around the court.
• 39:56
  I think he was almost hoping that couldn't turn because it's
• 39:59
  at 10 1/2 K as they do AU turn. And then it starts and then like
• 40:03
  you say, then everyone slows down the record.
• 40:05
  They're behind record pace. And so then the record chat
• 40:07
  starts again and he's, you can hear him much more happy and
• 40:11
  then and then. I think in the last finishing
• 40:13
  shoot, you can hear him under his breath.
• 40:15
  It's gone. Like it like it's sad.
• 40:20
  Like Mod is calling the guy in. Yeah, Mod is calling the guys
• 40:23
  into the finish and you can just hear it Pat in the back.
• 40:26
  Oh, it's gone. Very.
• 40:29
  Funny, the roller coaster of emotions for it.
• 40:31
  You really went for it in that one.
• 40:33
  Yeah, I'll say in. Fairness, you have to
• 40:35
  acknowledge like the fact that stood so long.
• 40:37
  Like what a run that must have been.
• 40:40
  Also pretty super. Shoes like that probably is
• 40:42
  about 30 seconds. I'm surprised.
• 40:45
  You can mention that. All these super shoes back in my
• 40:48
  day, yeah, no it. Definitely.
• 40:51
  I think was probably worth a bit and I think they might have said
• 40:54
  the last, like I don't think they'd gone under 62 minutes at
• 40:56
  the Gold Coast. I'm going to get it wrong, but
• 40:58
  for a long time, so like like years and years and years.
• 41:02
  So that was like goes to two. It's like a different era when
• 41:05
  he was running back when those guys were running.
• 41:08
  Yeah, potentially. Because Andy's obviously chose
• 41:11
  to go to world champs rather than Sydney, but he may have
• 41:14
  just got his Sydney payday this weekend and here with the course
• 41:17
  record, the win, the all comers record, it's probably been paid
• 41:20
  out pretty nicely anyway. Yeah, it's pretty stacked from.
• 41:23
  An Aussie perspective, that was definitely the race that was
• 41:26
  more loaded than than the marathon for sure.
• 41:29
  I guess with Sydney. All the top Aussies will go
• 41:33
  there for the payday, right? Because I think you get Gold
• 41:35
  Coast terms of Aussies was pretty light this year.
• 41:38
  There wasn't really many at all. But I guess when Sydney are
• 41:41
  chucking some money around, it kind of makes sense.
• 41:44
  Like it's big. Money like it's worth the trip
• 41:47
  to Sydney if you're and what's. What's it pay down like?
• 41:51
  Top top five is it? Top five Aussies.
• 41:54
  I think yeah #1. Gets like 30.
• 41:56
  Yeah, I've got it here. Is that from your?
• 41:59
  Your confirmation e-mail? Yeah.
• 42:05
  You probably can't. See it, but yeah, it's 30 grand
• 42:07
  for the winners, 2nd, 23rd, 10, fourth five, 5th, 2 1/2 and then
• 42:14
  if you get a record an extra 10. But that's just that's Aussie
• 42:17
  only prize money, which is cool that they do that.
• 42:20
  So it's sort of limited just to Australian athletes.
• 42:22
  So it's like a race within a race and because it is paid.
• 42:25
  Down to 5th then potentially. That's why there's not many
• 42:28
  doing Gold Coast, because, I mean, Reese's bit mad.
• 42:31
  They'll probably do it anyway. Others would be like, looking to
• 42:35
  train through and stuff, wouldn't they?
• 42:37
  Yeah, and to. Be honest.
• 42:38
  So prior to Sydney, so Gold Coast they'd offer.
• 42:41
  So they do area championships and it'd be like, I think you
• 42:44
  get 3 grand, 2 grand, 1 grand for first, second, third,
• 42:47
  Oceania. And then they do time incentives
• 42:50
  as well. So for every minute under 220
• 42:53
  you would get, it used to be 1000 bucks for every minute.
• 42:56
  I think that maybe half that recent like in the last year or
• 42:59
  so, but so they give performance incentives for for that as well.
• 43:03
  So another good like Oceania based incentive, which is nice
• 43:08
  because it sort of encourages Aussies to run local races.
• 43:11
  I think the. Last thing we'll talk about
• 43:13
  whilst we've got Jake because he's going to drop off in a
• 43:15
  minute, is there was a 5000 meters in the UK and the the
• 43:21
  Highgate Harriers London 5000 meters.
• 43:23
  So that's the guys who previously put on the night of
• 43:26
  the 10,000 meter PBS I think at their track.
• 43:30
  So on the men's there it was worn by Phil Sessman.
• 43:34
  So one of Jake's competitors for AGB vest in the future.
• 43:39
  So he's running better when you see when.
• 43:42
  He's 6 minutes quicker than this for sure.
• 43:46
  So, Phil. 'S shown Jake what 5K time he
• 43:49
  needs to get down to there in the time of 30 and 36.
• 43:54
  Oh. It's ridiculous.
• 43:57
  That is wingers right there. I did see.
• 44:00
  You talk about this Jake, but like have you, will you do any
• 44:03
  because it's summer, will you do any sort of track racing or
• 44:05
  anything like that to try and see what you can run for 5K?
• 44:09
  No, I can't think of anything. Worse than a 5K?
• 44:11
  You're like, you're like 35° that.
• 44:15
  Sounds. That's worse than a marathon.
• 44:17
  The. Only thing wearing.
• 44:19
  Spikes I find it's just ruins my calves.
• 44:22
  Like maybe I'd need to train and get used to them but I put them
• 44:26
  on once for one session. Maybe it was last summer I was
• 44:29
  like I was planning a track season so I'll cut them on for a
• 44:32
  little light. I don't know, 400 workout.
• 44:34
  I could barely walk for like a week after Ruin me.
• 44:38
  So I'm too used to the big city shoes now.
• 44:40
  Fair enough. Fair enough.
• 44:42
  How? How do?
• 44:44
  Front runner do it. They start to put them on for
• 44:46
  like a couple of reps at the end of each session and then like
• 44:49
  gradually build it up, don't they?
• 44:51
  As as you come into the season, maybe, yeah, exactly like.
• 44:54
  We'll do it like our big workout 10 days before, like something a
• 44:58
  bit more specific. And then at the back end of that
• 45:00
  workout, we'll put them on just to try and, but to be honest,
• 45:03
  Mike, I'm a bit similar. My carbs get tight just looking
• 45:06
  at spikes. So I think even the last one I
• 45:09
  did, I didn't even bother putting them on.
• 45:10
  Just I just saved them for for race night.
• 45:12
  And they are there's a bit more stack now with some of them.
• 45:15
  Like there's about 20 mil, which comparatively is, yeah,
• 45:18
  definitely better. But like you say, at the same
• 45:20
  time, if it's not your priority, the downtime you need to get
• 45:24
  back into training, it's just not, just isn't worth the
• 45:27
  squeeze, is it? Yeah, it's almost.
• 45:28
  I feel like. That is more recovery than the
• 45:30
  marathons. It's like I can.
• 45:32
  I do the training. To do it in shoes, but actually
• 45:36
  racing on his bikes, it hasn't quite seemed worth it.
• 45:39
  All right, Ryan, I thought. You're going to ask Jake about
• 45:41
  the other 5K and pre in that pre classic your one chabet go in
• 45:46
  1358. But I don't really want to get
• 45:48
  Jake in trouble. Leave the chat just in code.
• 45:59
  Yeah, probably. Probably so, yeah.
• 46:05
  Amazing. Remarkable.
• 46:07
  Remarkable. Is it unbelievable?
• 46:10
  You could say. It is not.
• 46:13
  It is not actually. Good.
• 46:16
  Wasn't there a? 15 as well.
• 46:17
  Three. Was it faith 348?
• 46:21
  Yeah, they had the double world. Record.
• 46:24
  Yeah, the pair of them. Crazy.
• 46:28
  Scott Convoys, what are we saying?
• 46:30
  Next item. On the agenda, Jake, I think
• 46:36
  you've got to go, but cheers for giving us an hour of your you're
• 46:39
  very tired evening. Go and get some fuel down here
• 46:42
  and recover well and we look forward to following the rest of
• 46:45
  your journey. Good stuff.
• 46:47
  Oh. That's always good chatting
• 46:48
  voice. I enjoy the podcast so yeah,
• 46:50
  keep it going. Cheers mate.
• 46:52
  Safe travels. Cheers.
• 46:54
  Boys see. You mate.
• 46:55
  We have to name this one. Easy triple or something just it
• 46:59
  was it's. Peaked early.
• 47:01
  That was just fun chatting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:03
  I wanted. It was more about.
• 47:04
  The race, but. I feel like we ran out.
• 47:07
  We're going to run out of time. Yeah, I know.
• 47:09
  It was a. Gold Coast debrief.
• 47:11
  And then we just peppered them on all all of the things.
• 47:13
  Yeah. Like as I wanted to, I wanted
• 47:16
  like how did he obviously had now has a good internal gauge of
• 47:19
  what is race effort for the marathon.
• 47:21
  Like he like, how did he knew before roughly like what was
• 47:25
  marathon effort? And then because he said as
• 47:28
  much, didn't he? When you were chatting, remember
• 47:30
  when you were chatting to him, he sort of already knew that he
• 47:32
  wasn't going to likely run a PB. So sort of knows where he's got
• 47:37
  a really good sense of where his fitness is AT.
• 47:39
  And then he's sort of optimistic in the race.
• 47:41
  He's like, look, let me let's see what I can do.
• 47:43
  But he sort of knew very quickly that like that effort, that
• 47:47
  percentage of effort wasn't going to be right.
• 47:49
  And so then he dialed that back. And then he's like, but then
• 47:52
  he's talking about being in the pain cave early.
• 47:54
  Like, fuck, he can suffer. Yeah, Yeah.
• 47:59
  So it just seems like, yeah, it seems like he's got a good
• 48:02
  handle on where his fitness is at, how to get the most out of
• 48:05
  himself and how to suffer. It's pretty.
• 48:06
  It's pretty cool. Like, he's seems very well
• 48:09
  suited to the marathon, doesn't he?
• 48:10
  I guess it shows. Maturity.
• 48:12
  That he's not having to wait until the point at which he is
• 48:15
  blowing up to back off. That's yeah, because he knows.
• 48:18
  The ball, yeah, he knows where it's at.
• 48:20
  Where? What the You know where the line
• 48:23
  is? Oh, it's funny.
• 48:25
  So good, right? Then just to.
• 48:26
  Finish off that Highgate Harriers London 5000 meets.
• 48:30
  So yeah, as I mentioned there, Sessman won in 1346 from a guy
• 48:34
  called Cam Allen in 1349. On the women's side of things
• 48:38
  there was Abby Donnelly who took the win in a 1532.
• 48:44
  So it's good to see that the Highgate Harriers are coming
• 48:46
  back out because I think there was a bit of controversy when
• 48:49
  they kind of stepped away from doing the night of the 10,000
• 48:52
  metre PBS. So hopefully we'll see that come
• 48:55
  back because it was one of the one of the few good 10,000 meter
• 48:59
  meets across the world, even in terms of it's on my running
• 49:02
  bucket. List to do it now that I'm over
• 49:04
  the side of the world again. Yeah, easily accessible.
• 49:07
  For you now, yeah. In terms of other.
• 49:09
  Running news and goings on there was obviously pre.
• 49:14
  Classic was the other major meet this weekend and I know
• 49:18
  personally I was very excited for a couple of events there,
• 49:22
  particularly the Baume and Mile. So we'll just go through some of
• 49:25
  them. Firstly, this Mondo attempted a
• 49:29
  new world record and contrary to Mondo, who by the way, for
• 49:33
  context is the the pole vaulter Mondo de Plantis, contrary to
• 49:37
  our kind of skepticism of him, like jumping well within himself
• 49:41
  for the other week, he actually failed to get a new world record
• 49:44
  of plus one centimetre. So he is human.
• 49:49
  We've had believable he. Makes it believable.
• 49:52
  Yeah, the commentator. Did allude to the fact that like
• 49:55
  there's some skeptics online who say he nudges it up a centimetre
• 49:59
  every time. But like genuinely, why wouldn't
• 50:01
  you? If your contract is stipulated
• 50:04
  that you get a payday every time you do a new world record, why
• 50:08
  would you then try and jump 20 centimetres higher the next
• 50:10
  time? Same same for Runan.
• 50:13
  Why did if your contract was that way inclined, why would you
• 50:16
  try and run a minute faster? But anyway, there was 800 metres
• 50:20
  for the women. This was won surprisingly
• 50:23
  somewhat by the Guma in 157.1. I say surprisingly because I
• 50:29
  think MU, who's the former Olympic champion, was back here
• 50:36
  and if she hasn't raced for a while, but she was pretty much
• 50:39
  last and she was like towards the back all the way throughout.
• 50:42
  So I mean, maybe we'll cut off some slack because it's the
• 50:45
  first rate race back, but also I think I've seen something she
• 50:49
  got. Married.
• 50:50
  Yeah, because her name. Is now a thing MU and then
• 50:54
  double barrelled with like it almost looks like a Russian
• 50:57
  name, like Ivan a cough or something.
• 51:01
  Yeah, and also give her core best luck.
• 51:03
  She's she's on the beer. She had the good honeymoon.
• 51:07
  And Mary Mora was also like towards the back as well.
• 51:10
  And usually she's the one, if not winning these races, she's
• 51:13
  right up there. So I mean, it bodes well for
• 51:16
  Keely Hodgkinson and her defense of her title, but I mean, she's
• 51:20
  been pretty injured and stuff herself.
• 51:22
  So you'd say the women's 800 is pretty wide open at this point.
• 51:26
  Who is a man? It's good because like for a.
• 51:29
  While there's just the three of them and like fair enough,
• 51:31
  having 3 athletes in an event is pretty good, but now like it's
• 51:34
  totally wide open even though Keely would probably come back
• 51:37
  and run something stupid now you'd imagine.
• 51:41
  It's it's has for the taken like if she can get herself back fit
• 51:44
  absolutely there's. A men's 2. 100 in which the
• 51:47
  Olympic champion announced himself being back in peak
• 51:50
  fitness because he's done a few races.
• 51:53
  And when it's the Olympic champion, I mean, let's see
• 51:55
  later. Bogo he's had a few races this
• 51:58
  season where things haven't quite been as you would expect
• 52:01
  from an Olympic champion, but he's ran 19.76 for the win and
• 52:06
  for the world lead here. So that's encouraging for him.
• 52:09
  Now getting into the serious stuff.
• 52:12
  There was a women's 5000 meters, which we mentioned before.
• 52:15
  The Beatrice Chibet of Kenya ran a new world record here in a 13
• 52:20
  foot 1358.0 something 0, whatever it was.
• 52:26
  So that's the first ever sub 14 by a woman.
• 52:29
  And the previous world record holder Sigai was also in the
• 52:33
  race and she was with her. In fact, I'll I'll open it up to
• 52:37
  you guys. Do you want to tell me what you
• 52:39
  thought if you seen this? I think it was like a
• 52:43
  phenomenal, phenomenal run from Beatrice Jabba.
• 52:47
  Like she took the lead. I think it was after 2K and
• 52:50
  yeah, just an absolute machine, like 1358, the first one to ever
• 52:55
  break 14. Like, it is incredible.
• 52:57
  So kudos to her. Yeah, I mean.
• 53:00
  Reportedly it was like quite warm and stuff as well because
• 53:02
  it was in midday in Eugene. So like you'd like to think
• 53:07
  based on that and the fact that she was on the front for at
• 53:10
  least three K of the race, like she could potentially run even
• 53:14
  quicker, couldn't she? And when she crossed the.
• 53:16
  Line it looked like she hadn't even broken a sweat like so
• 53:19
  yeah, crazy and. Because didn't I think they went
• 53:21
  through 3K and 822, which is what's that what what pace is
• 53:26
  that per K? Like is that I think they, they
• 53:29
  looked like they were paid for 2:48 Yeah.
• 53:32
  And I think they were pays for 248 per K, weren't they?
• 53:34
  Yeah. And then what did they, what did
• 53:37
  they close in? Probably the same again.
• 53:39
  Is that what they've closed in? So I've got.
• 53:42
  Her SO 8/22. They've taken another 20, yeah.
• 53:45
  Her last 200 was a 20. I think that's right, right?
• 53:49
  So they've gone Gee, yeah, because that's when she she
• 53:51
  didn't break away until 200 to go right.
• 53:55
  So, yeah, to run that quickly to to close, I think that means
• 53:58
  that she's run pretty much 248, you know, between those two
• 54:01
  splits, pretty much smack on. So it's pretty, pretty well set
• 54:04
  up, pretty incredibly well executed.
• 54:07
  And then, yeah, that last lap, I think she had to what, closed in
• 54:09
  64 to get the record they were saying.
• 54:11
  And then she's closed in like 61 with like yeah, 28 second last
• 54:15
  200. Yeah.
• 54:17
  Out of this world, usually you would, maybe.
• 54:19
  See that even in those like world record type races, that
• 54:23
  once the pace drops off like the pacer, as in like the rabbit
• 54:27
  pacer, and once they step off, the pace itself settles a little
• 54:31
  bit and maybe that third, the 4th K and then they like kick
• 54:34
  down and bring it home. But she by herself has kept the
• 54:38
  pace honest and even the whole way and then like obliterated
• 54:42
  that last 200 meters. Like what she done to Cigar
• 54:45
  there. She almost like stepped off the
• 54:47
  track and gave up, didn't she? Yeah, and it probably.
• 54:49
  Helps. I mean, it's always if you know,
• 54:53
  the fact that there was still a race, maybe help that get the
• 54:56
  best best out of everyone, didn't it?
• 54:58
  Apart from the fact that yeah, Sega, I sort of gave up.
• 55:01
  I think the commentators mentioned, didn't they, that she
• 55:04
  sort of just gave up running her.
• 55:05
  She could have run a really solid time, albeit not have won
• 55:08
  the race, but umm, could have been runners run beaten her her
• 55:13
  own old world record if she'd run it through.
• 55:15
  But she sort of once she realized that she was she wasn't
• 55:18
  going to win the race, she sort of gave up, didn't she?
• 55:21
  Yeah. So in second.
• 55:23
  In second in the end was Negetic in a 1401 and then Sigai in 3rd
• 55:28
  in 1404. Now on to what I was
• 55:31
  considering. The main event was the Bauman
• 55:33
  Mile. So this field, as we alluded to
• 55:36
  last week, was just insane. And even Dean and I chat.
• 55:39
  And yesterday we were trying to figure out how do you pick who's
• 55:43
  going to win this race? And it's fair to say that the
• 55:45
  guy who did win, we didn't even mention him, did we?
• 55:49
  So the field, for context, you've got Ollie Hall, Neil
• 55:53
  Gailey, Hobbs Kessler, Grant Fisher, Jake Whiteman, Timothy
• 55:57
  Cheriot, Cam Myers, Reynold Chariot, Cole Hocker, Habs,
• 56:01
  Negus and Niels Laros. So the guy who's won is the
• 56:06
  Dutch athlete Niels Laros. He's ran a new national record
• 56:09
  in 345.94 from Negus in second and 345.95 S, 100th of a second.
• 56:16
  And then the French guy, Habs was in 3rd in 346.
• 56:21
  So anyone want to offer their thoughts on how they've seen
• 56:24
  this play out? Yeah.
• 56:28
  So I think like I feel for Nagoose, right?
• 56:32
  Like I felt like he was the one that made the race.
• 56:35
  So he was the only one that chose to go with the pacemakers.
• 56:38
  I think what were they set for 151 through 800?
• 56:42
  And he and the pacemaker did an excellent job of literally like
• 56:45
  of of running exactly per pace. Nagoose went with it, sort of
• 56:49
  set up the race and. What's the name of the?
• 56:54
  Is he Portuguese? That no.
• 56:57
  The athlete that Nader. The French.
• 56:59
  Guy ABS Sorry it was a. French guy wasn't ABS.
• 57:02
  That was that he closed. He closed down on the goose,
• 57:07
  which I think perhaps cost him just in the way in which he did
• 57:10
  it because he closed in quite quickly and I think maybe just
• 57:12
  tipped him over the edge. But Nagus sort of made the race.
• 57:16
  I just felt like he sort of deserved, deserved to win.
• 57:20
  But like, yeah, yeah, as it's sort of made for an exciting
• 57:26
  race to spectate, though, because you had Nagus sort of
• 57:28
  being putting himself out there to be shot at.
• 57:30
  And then ABS I think sort of what he did was basically
• 57:34
  because he started to fade. He sort of brought everyone else
• 57:39
  who there was a big pack, 3rd through 13th were all running
• 57:43
  together 20 to 30 meters behind the front too.
• 57:45
  And what made it super exciting was the fact that you had one
• 57:48
  person sort of fading, which they all sort of that was the
• 57:51
  carrot for the chase group to run over the top of.
• 57:54
  And then that sort of once they bridge that, the goose was then
• 57:57
  to be there to be shot at. And yeah, unfortunately it just
• 58:01
  got rolled by not running through the finish line.
• 58:03
  A bit of shades of Tommy Cross in the Zatopec 3 KB race about
• 58:10
  it. Maybe go when?
• 58:11
  Word gets back to him that he's been mentioned and he tunes in
• 58:15
  to listen to the pod to find out that's why he's been mentioned.
• 58:17
  They'll be thrilled. But it's a fair.
• 58:20
  Comparison. I mean, the goose wasn't waving
• 58:23
  his hand to the crowd or anything like that, but but it
• 58:29
  was a lesson in not running through to the finish like he if
• 58:32
  he if he dips, he still wins. Speaking of Nagusa.
• 58:35
  'S waving action. His form is quite weird, isn't
• 58:39
  it? And I noticed that like that
• 58:41
  last 20 meters, his fists are like almost just in front of
• 58:45
  him. He's got no arm drive, so no
• 58:48
  wonder he's slow. And yet that Laros, for context,
• 58:51
  has came from at the bell. He was in 11th place, 3.1 He's
• 58:55
  went through the bell 3.1 seconds behind the goose.
• 58:59
  So he's his last lap. I don't know what it was but
• 59:01
  it's pretty insane. Even like the last 100 meters,
• 59:04
  he's almost 30 meters back and up the inside.
• 59:07
  Again, why they? They always.
• 59:10
  Leave. There's always room up the
• 59:11
  inside. The people get pipped and they
• 59:14
  get done by someone running up the inside like happens like so
• 59:17
  often now. He's very young as well.
• 59:20
  He's going to be 1 to watch now for that world championship in
• 59:22
  Tokyo. He'll be there there about, so
• 59:25
  there's generally. Like 6-7 people who could win
• 59:28
  that really isn't that because you've still in this race,
• 59:31
  there's no care and there's no angry Britain.
• 59:33
  Yeah, You wonder what? Career is going to require you
• 59:36
  know what, Do you not normally run this race?
• 59:38
  I don't know. That he's ADNS.
• 59:40
  Like originally he was on the start list, maybe, Yeah.
• 59:44
  All he's done. All he's done is like walked a
• 59:47
  few like Grand Slam track meets and so really get to like run a
• 59:51
  fast race I've seen. An interesting interview, to be
• 59:55
  fair. Nagus got asked like, Oh well,
• 59:58
  there's a few of them. But Nagus answered it.
• 1:00:01
  Why do you think that there's so many people running so fast in
• 1:00:05
  the 15 this year compared to other years?
• 1:00:07
  And it's something I hadn't had. Spoken of before, but he says, I
• 1:00:11
  think to be honest, it's the lack of Inga Britson this year.
• 1:00:14
  Like you take him out of it and people are like genuinely like
• 1:00:18
  so fearful of them or like too respectful that they almost when
• 1:00:22
  he is there, they let him run his own race and then they just
• 1:00:26
  race the rest of the pack. Whereas now they're not scared
• 1:00:28
  to like just go to the front and make it fast.
• 1:00:31
  So it's an interesting take and be interesting to see what
• 1:00:33
  happens to all these guys when he does come back.
• 1:00:36
  And lastly, on the card, we had the women's 1500 meter where
• 1:00:40
  there was another world record gone down.
• 1:00:43
  So I don't know if I'm able to say that we called it Owen
• 1:00:46
  because perhaps it was quite obvious given what happened in
• 1:00:49
  Breaking 4. She's shown that she was
• 1:00:52
  potential and capable for the world record.
• 1:00:54
  So Faith Kippy Aegon's won in 348.68, beat lower in her own
• 1:01:01
  world record with well Tedji unfortunately came through for
• 1:01:05
  2nd. So Jess Hall was behind Kippy
• 1:01:08
  Aegon right on the back of her for most of the race.
• 1:01:10
  We told you there with a 351.44 and Jess Hall in 3rd with a
• 1:01:15
  352.67. That's phenomenal from.
• 1:01:18
  Your own faith. Like 3 seconds ahead of 2nd.
• 1:01:21
  She was so far ahead. She was.
• 1:01:23
  Having a race with the pace and lights, I think wasn't she like
• 1:01:26
  she was basically racing the world record rather than the
• 1:01:28
  field and it was just whether she'd get it done or not?
• 1:01:32
  Like I think she was always going to win.
• 1:01:34
  All other commentators were perhaps suggesting like, don't
• 1:01:37
  be surprised if Jeff's Hall's like banging this.
• 1:01:40
  But I mean, given what Faith had done last week and stuff, kind
• 1:01:44
  of seems like it was one in the making this one.
• 1:01:47
  What do you think? Eight runs for 5K versus Chibet.
• 1:01:51
  Over a 3K would be interesting. Yeah, I.
• 1:01:54
  I think she still breaks 14 for 5K.
• 1:01:56
  Like missed a trick. And they should have done
• 1:01:58
  breaking 14. Yeah, I was thinking.
• 1:02:01
  I I did think that like, but I wonder because I think it's 14
• 1:02:06
  minutes has already been broken by the women on the roads.
• 1:02:09
  So I wonder if maybe people would I don't know.
• 1:02:13
  I don't know if that was since yeah, it's definitely been been
• 1:02:16
  broken. So I wonder if that's maybe why
• 1:02:18
  they they went away from it. Maybe not not, you know, not
• 1:02:21
  glamorous enough in terms of because it's already so close to
• 1:02:24
  being done. Lastly.
• 1:02:26
  With the results there were two meets in France and just there
• 1:02:32
  was a meeting Stanislaus Nancy in France with a men's 1500
• 1:02:37
  meters of which Jude Thomas took the win in 332.35.
• 1:02:42
  He's missed his PB there by like .2 of a second, but he's out
• 1:02:46
  kicked Owen's boy Andrew Koskaran who was second in
• 1:02:49
  332.64. So I guess Jude just backing up
• 1:02:54
  from running the time last week with a win here proving that he
• 1:02:58
  can he can win races as well. In the women's there, there was
• 1:03:02
  a 1500 meters also, and Georgia Griffiths was fourth in 4/03,
• 1:03:07
  but she's already got the qualifier with a 358.
• 1:03:11
  So I mean, I don't want to say she'll be, she'll be thrilled
• 1:03:14
  that she's run 403, but the fact she already has the qualifier
• 1:03:17
  helps. But obviously she wants to be
• 1:03:19
  shown form. So was 1500.
• 1:03:21
  Her distance Think she's a little.
• 1:03:23
  Stronger is didn't she have the national record in the 3K?
• 1:03:26
  But the 3K isn't a meet at the championships is it?
• 1:03:29
  So it'll have to be a distance unless she goes. 5K That's a bit
• 1:03:33
  long. There was another.
• 1:03:35
  Meeting in Leon, Meeting national the lest Leon ace the
• 1:03:40
  men's 800 meters. There pit ball wins again
• 1:03:44
  143.88, which must be about the fourth or fifth time he's ran
• 1:03:48
  143 this year. So he's really back in form.
• 1:03:53
  And there is a woman's 800 meters also where test case of
• 1:03:56
  Cole was second in 2 flat .55. I think that concludes the
• 1:04:02
  running news this week in terms of results.
• 1:04:05
  What other interesting things that I've seen this week have
• 1:04:08
  added to the agenda. So there's a men's 800 meter
• 1:04:11
  field confirmed for the Monaco Diamond League.
• 1:04:14
  And now people have been talking about this 800 meter world
• 1:04:17
  record for a while, potentially going because we've got a lot of
• 1:04:21
  guys flare and with it and running really quick.
• 1:04:24
  And now if it's going to go at any point, you'd think that it's
• 1:04:28
  going to be in this meet, one, because of the field.
• 1:04:30
  And I think secondly, that Monaco in itself is usually a
• 1:04:34
  pretty quick meet. So listen to this for a lineup.
• 1:04:37
  You've got Emmanuel 1, Yoni Sajathi, Josh Howie, Atui, Bryce
• 1:04:43
  Hoppel, Max Burgeon, Marco Arop and Peak Ball.
• 1:04:46
  Yeah, and you? Put in that you put it their
• 1:04:49
  world rank, current world ranking alongside that, right?
• 1:04:53
  And it's 1-235-678-1012 and 19. So stacked, Yeah.
• 1:05:01
  What's the stage? How was Marco Arop world rank 12
• 1:05:05
  when he won the Olympics? This year's world ranking, I
• 1:05:09
  think the. 800 Have you ever So when you go into the World
• 1:05:13
  Athletics and you you look up different disciplines, the
• 1:05:17
  discipline depending on the discipline, the number of events
• 1:05:20
  that count for points varies. So like for the marathon, the
• 1:05:26
  requirement is you have to run a marathon and then the second
• 1:05:29
  time can be another marathon or a half marathon.
• 1:05:32
  And then you add the points together and the points are a
• 1:05:34
  combination of how fast you run the race and you get bonus
• 1:05:40
  points based on position and the status of the meet.
• 1:05:44
  And so I think for the 800, it might be as many as five.
• 1:05:48
  I could, I could be completely off on this, but I think it's
• 1:05:50
  quite a few. And so he probably has in his,
• 1:05:54
  when you click on to him, he probably will probably have one
• 1:05:56
  huge score for what he ran in the Olympics, both winning the
• 1:05:59
  Olympics and running a fast time, But he maybe doesn't have
• 1:06:02
  the depth. And because he's been running
• 1:06:04
  those Grand Slam meets like, he's been winning those 1500s in
• 1:06:07
  like below three 30s, but they're not 327.
• 1:06:10
  So he's probably not got the ranking that probably correlates
• 1:06:14
  with just how good he is arguably like.
• 1:06:16
  You've nearly the top ten engineer people in the world in
• 1:06:19
  a really, really fast track in Monaco.
• 1:06:22
  Yeah, it's a recipe for a world record.
• 1:06:24
  Yeah, there's two pieces of. News about Kenya, I don't know
• 1:06:27
  if they go hand in hand, but I'm going to read them out together.
• 1:06:30
  So there was a video shared on Instagram.
• 1:06:32
  I'm not sure if it's like, legit.
• 1:06:34
  So it's been settled. But there's a Kenyan athlete
• 1:06:38
  who's hiding his identity, and he's doing like, a reveal.
• 1:06:44
  I don't know how to describe it. He's basically speaking to a
• 1:06:46
  journalist and wanting to, like, tell him that.
• 1:06:49
  He says most pro runners in Kenya are taking EPO and I don't
• 1:06:54
  know how far most covers in terms of like, is it literally
• 1:06:58
  everyone or what? But this, this guy is a pro
• 1:07:02
  runner himself. He's saying he takes it, He's
• 1:07:04
  saying almost everyone else does and they do it because they're
• 1:07:08
  like trying to win races and build generational wealth and
• 1:07:12
  stuff for the families. So I mean, that just, I mean,
• 1:07:15
  proves what we've been seeing in terms of all these Kenyans
• 1:07:18
  getting popped. But it's quite worrying, isn't
• 1:07:20
  it? Yeah, I've seen.
• 1:07:21
  That video, it's a bit scary if it's, yeah, direct from the
• 1:07:25
  horse's mouth. And true, the second news.
• 1:07:28
  Item for Kenya was, I don't know if you've seen this, it's quite
• 1:07:31
  bizarre. Athletics Kenya have brought
• 1:07:34
  forward their trials for the world by 10 days to the 22nd,
• 1:07:38
  22nd of July. So that's like less than three
• 1:07:42
  weeks time and they've just shifted it forward by 10 days
• 1:07:46
  with such short notice. I don't know what the motive is
• 1:07:49
  there, but it's quite absurd really, isn't it?
• 1:07:53
  It's. It's crazy.
• 1:07:55
  Not half the time or last year anyway, they held them in in
• 1:07:58
  America, so it wasn't even accessible for all Kenyans
• 1:08:02
  because they have to give visas to America and all.
• 1:08:04
  It's just crazy what goes on in that country.
• 1:08:06
  It's I don't like it at all. And then?
• 1:08:09
  Like you still see all these Kenyans winning these races and
• 1:08:13
  you can't say anything other than like, congratulate them and
• 1:08:18
  applaud them for it because as far as you know, they're they're
• 1:08:22
  just the athlete who's winning the race.
• 1:08:23
  But then there's all this other controversy surrounding the
• 1:08:26
  country and it's just, you don't know how to take it.
• 1:08:29
  It's really sad. As well, because like when you
• 1:08:30
  think of running, you think of Kenya.
• 1:08:32
  Like, they're such a rich history in like, running to
• 1:08:36
  school, all this sort of stuff. And yeah, I don't really know
• 1:08:39
  what to think because like, some of them, like, could be clean
• 1:08:43
  and they're running absolutely phenomenally, like, it's crazy.
• 1:08:46
  And then others, like so many have gone pops and yeah, you
• 1:08:49
  just don't know what to think. You could, genuinely.
• 1:08:52
  Be like, you know you are the best amongst your discipline and
• 1:08:55
  then you see payers take an EPO and then they start to get
• 1:08:58
  better than you and you're like, well, what do I do?
• 1:09:01
  Do I do I join them or do I just become irrelevant because I
• 1:09:04
  can't compete with them and they've mastered?
• 1:09:07
  It as well, even not the EPO thing the the blood is not blood
• 1:09:11
  doping as well you can do with them.
• 1:09:14
  So you have to like track it over time.
• 1:09:16
  So you nearly get away with it because you have to like you get
• 1:09:19
  away with it for a couple of years because they have to like
• 1:09:22
  look at it over a large scale of time before they catch.
• 1:09:24
  It's like it's nearly worth it for them.
• 1:09:26
  It's probably. Important to reference as well,
• 1:09:29
  like as much as we say like money is good for the sport and
• 1:09:32
  like growth and athletes getting paid and blah blah blah.
• 1:09:36
  Clearly the fact that there is now a lot of money involved is
• 1:09:39
  contributing to towards canyons. They open because it's a way for
• 1:09:43
  them to like, kind of earn such money like crazy.
• 1:09:46
  Money, like if they win a world major, it's literally different,
• 1:09:50
  like 1,000,000. So it is like generational
• 1:09:54
  wealth fund. And it is pretty sad because
• 1:09:55
  they also come from very rough backgrounds and all that sort of
• 1:09:58
  stuff. So I think like there's nowhere
• 1:10:00
  else to go only to do this. But yeah, something has to be
• 1:10:04
  done next I've seen. That Nike on the back of
• 1:10:08
  announcing the Pegasus Premium and plus last week they've, I
• 1:10:12
  don't know if they've officially announced it, but there was some
• 1:10:16
  images of the new structures going around.
• 1:10:18
  And I know that the Cupertier and Carl Hocker have for a while
• 1:10:23
  now said that like the structures are their favorite
• 1:10:25
  training shoe to do workouts on the track.
• 1:10:28
  And if they're not putting spikes on even rather than super
• 1:10:32
  shoes. So I'm keen to see what they're
• 1:10:35
  like. So is.
• 1:10:36
  The Vomero Premium and plus were released last week and that
• 1:10:41
  premium has like 2 of them airbags in the sole and it's
• 1:10:44
  meant to be like crazy like stack and cushion but I actually
• 1:10:48
  picked up a pair of structure during the week.
• 1:10:50
  I always keep like an eye out on all the websites over here in
• 1:10:54
  Ireland and it was just potluck that I think they're normally
• 1:10:58
  like 120 a €130, but I don't know how one pair popped up in
• 1:11:04
  my size for €50. So I was like, you're coming
• 1:11:07
  home with me, went straight in my basket.
• 1:11:09
  So yeah, I like them because like they're a really good shoe.
• 1:11:12
  Their support of they, it's just like an old school type of shoe
• 1:11:16
  that you can actually pick up the pace in.
• 1:11:21
  Do they still have? What?
• 1:11:22
  What foam are they using? Oh, Junior Mark.
• 1:11:25
  I'll tell you now because are you saying.
• 1:11:28
  They're fairly like, there's not as much of A drop and they're
• 1:11:30
  still fairly snappy. Is that what you like about
• 1:11:32
  them? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:33
  And they're like supportive, like they're stable.
• 1:11:35
  Yeah, OK. I don't think it's.
• 1:11:37
  Any of the fancy foam it's just as air zoom on the side of it.
• 1:11:41
  So I don't it's the Zoom XI, think the Zoom X.
• 1:11:45
  Firm is a little bit softer and more cushioned and perhaps
• 1:11:48
  that's why these are a bit more unresponsive.
• 1:11:50
  Yeah, yeah. Interesting.
• 1:11:52
  But the new one, I hate the way like I guarantee you there's not
• 1:11:55
  much difference between this Structure 25 and the Structure
• 1:11:58
  26, but the Structure 26 is an extra like €20.
• 1:12:02
  Yeah, I thought you were going to say.
• 1:12:04
  When you said I always keep an eye on the websites I always
• 1:12:08
  keep like some spare money aside in case shoes come up, which it
• 1:12:11
  sounds like you do both. To be fair, I have not.
• 1:12:15
  A penny to my name, Hence all the shoes.
• 1:12:21
  Yeah, when you, when you're injured, you're.
• 1:12:26
  Loaded nice skins. Yes, since it is.
• 1:12:29
  It's been spending on. Lactate strips and and and
• 1:12:33
  bicarb soda and. I was on the track yesterday and
• 1:12:37
  I from my last 10 mile Rep, I put on my spikes and then opened
• 1:12:42
  up the laces. But I still like like the shoes
• 1:12:45
  pretty tight on. So you know the way you take off
• 1:12:47
  your shoe like this? Yeah, did not know.
• 1:12:50
  The foam. Yeah.
• 1:12:52
  That you can't do that particularly yeah, you just.
• 1:12:56
  Peel your hair. Heel off the shoe.
• 1:12:58
  I've done that to like 4 percents or vapor flies before.
• 1:13:02
  I've just torn into the heel of the vapor fly.
• 1:13:04
  Yeah, so. I've I've erased this coming
• 1:13:07
  Wednesday. Oh shit.
• 1:13:09
  So I. Had to spend another £100 on a
• 1:13:12
  pair of written spikes. That's so annoying.
• 1:13:15
  As well because how often do you even need spikes?
• 1:13:18
  Like it's not like I have to get, I have.
• 1:13:21
  To get white ones and now like I'm really going to use them for
• 1:13:25
  the 3K coming up Wednesday, coming national 5K and then
• 1:13:28
  cross country. So I've got white spikes for
• 1:13:32
  Irish cross country. They'll be like, yeah, recipe
• 1:13:36
  for disaster, but happy to do it.
• 1:13:38
  So yeah, another. Reason to help support the pod.
• 1:13:46
  Yeah, this is. Where we insert the ad which we
• 1:13:49
  don't have and say this suppose. A brand new one and Owen is
• 1:13:54
  skins. It's good to hear.
• 1:13:58
  That rented Japan's being supported because like I've my
• 1:14:03
  super blast like it's pretty dead right and you can feel when
• 1:14:06
  the shoes getting lifeless. Can you imagine how many shoes
• 1:14:10
  he'd be going through Lad I? Actually couldn't imagine, no,
• 1:14:13
  because maybe that he'd normally put around let's say 607 hundred
• 1:14:17
  kilometers up. He's doing like 1000.
• 1:14:19
  Like, no, it's crazy. He had to.
• 1:14:21
  He deserves a deal. The action deserves him.
• 1:14:24
  Yeah, do. You boys want to whiz for your
• 1:14:26
  weeks? Yeah, go on, do.
• 1:14:28
  You want to go on, OK. So week starting great race by
• 1:14:35
  the. Way I enjoyed listening to the
• 1:14:37
  pod. I do listening when I'm not not
• 1:14:40
  not on same. I just.
• 1:14:46
  Can't listen to. My own voice, Yeah.
• 1:14:49
  Oh, no. I.
• 1:14:49
  Mean, I wouldn't listen if I was recording.
• 1:14:51
  I just mean that might have been a situation.
• 1:14:53
  Didn't write an irecord. And then we spoke about stuff
• 1:14:56
  the next week and you're like, Oh yeah.
• 1:14:59
  Learning it for the first. Time he was injured.
• 1:15:01
  So we'll let him off because he was checked.
• 1:15:04
  Fairpoint, yeah. So this yeah, this the Monday
• 1:15:10
  after I raced on the Sunday so I don't just an easy 45 minutes in
• 1:15:15
  the morning. That evening I got out for an
• 1:15:17
  easy double for a 30 minute jog and some strides.
• 1:15:22
  Then Tuesday morning it was double threshold day.
• 1:15:27
  So 3K warm up will cool down and I'd done 4 by 6 minutes of 90
• 1:15:34
  seconds. So I've done this around my
• 1:15:36
  local 330 meter gravel track. So yeah, again, feeling crazy,
• 1:15:41
  feeling good, controlled. And then that evening I done
• 1:15:47
  another session, 3K warm up, cool down.
• 1:15:49
  And this one was a little bit more spicy.
• 1:15:51
  So it was 3 by 5 minutes off 60 seconds.
• 1:15:55
  And then I had a form in a jog and then I done 10 by woman on
• 1:16:00
  woman off and let's say predicted 5K pace.
• 1:16:03
  So now I'm sort of like camp is sort of finishing up.
• 1:16:08
  So I'm going to try and just try and sprinkle a bit of like speed
• 1:16:11
  in there, try and get faster. So the mileage will probably
• 1:16:15
  come down a little bit because the intensity is going up and I
• 1:16:19
  just want to be careful that I don't want to cross that red
• 1:16:21
  line and like get sick Rangers and so for that.
• 1:16:24
  Afternoon workout, because that's quite a bit particularly
• 1:16:26
  after a morning workout like that's a big, that's a big
• 1:16:30
  training day with those 5 minute reps how how much?
• 1:16:35
  So LT1 is like the morning 4 by 6 K, So pretty pretty aerobic,
• 1:16:41
  not not going to get carried away.
• 1:16:43
  And those you're you're jogging those recoveries, right.
• 1:16:46
  So they're pretty like you're making sure you're clearing any
• 1:16:48
  lactate that is potentially building up.
• 1:16:50
  That's a tick that sessions done.
• 1:16:52
  But then those 3 by 5 minutes, how much harder is that than
• 1:16:57
  than the morning session, if at all?
• 1:16:59
  I'd say it's like. Per Rep it's nearly like 10 to
• 1:17:02
  15 seconds, like faster. So that's Lt. 2 for the ideal
• 1:17:06
  lease, like 4 millimole, give or take for 3 by 5 minutes and then
• 1:17:12
  potentially faster again for which is for us like on a
• 1:17:16
  Thursday ahead of just starting double like this double
• 1:17:20
  threshold stuff on a Thursday, that might be a workout like
• 1:17:22
  that's close to a mono, right? And you've done 4 by 6 minutes,
• 1:17:26
  3 by 5 minutes, and then you've gone into a basically a Mona.
• 1:17:30
  But yeah. So the four by 6 minutes, like
• 1:17:33
  it is crazy, like I've sort of got on like I'm getting fair,
• 1:17:38
  like it is feeling very, very good.
• 1:17:40
  And that five by three minutes. I think I've done the lactate
• 1:17:42
  after that one and it was like 3.2 or something like that.
• 1:17:47
  And then like performing a jog and then I don't took it at the
• 1:17:51
  end of the 10 by woman on woman off and it was around like 6.4
• 1:17:56
  yeah. And that was like yeah, yeah,
• 1:17:59
  yeah, a solid effort and but it felt good.
• 1:18:03
  Yeah. It felt good to get the legs
• 1:18:05
  like running like fast. That's still like.
• 1:18:09
  Somewhat under control though, isn't it?
• 1:18:11
  Because you see some people can get readings of like towards 20
• 1:18:14
  and stuff. Yeah, but because I'm only.
• 1:18:16
  Holding it for a minute like it actually isn't even getting that
• 1:18:19
  much time to like. I'd say that was still pretty
• 1:18:22
  high for what I was doing and your legs were.
• 1:18:24
  OK, Given you'd raced just like they pulled up all right from
• 1:18:28
  the the the race. So I was talking to.
• 1:18:30
  Me mate from Melbourne and he's like, how did the street fly 2
• 1:18:34
  feel? Because they are minimal and
• 1:18:36
  they're sort of like they might like eat into your cast a little
• 1:18:39
  bit more and but no, I was surprised they pulled up fairly
• 1:18:42
  well. You've just muted yourself.
• 1:18:43
  Out. Oh yeah.
• 1:18:44
  Can you hear me? Yeah.
• 1:18:47
  So yeah, I pulled up fairly well.
• 1:18:49
  I'm surprised at how like, well, my legs felt.
• 1:18:52
  And so yeah, no, things are, things are going all right at
• 1:18:57
  the moment. Just I keep on saying to myself
• 1:18:59
  like I am only like let's say 4 to 5 weeks in.
• 1:19:03
  So the training sort of hasn't sort of added up yet.
• 1:19:06
  It's not taking the toll on my body in like a normal in another
• 1:19:09
  six weeks, 6 to 8 weeks, I'll sort of know if I've like
• 1:19:12
  crossed the red line and like I'm overtraining.
• 1:19:14
  So yeah, I'm sort of just trying to keep things under control at
• 1:19:17
  the moment. And I feel like with the
• 1:19:18
  threshold training, like you're able to.
• 1:19:22
  Then the next morning I got out for just a 60 minute easy jog,
• 1:19:27
  so around 13 K like 439 pace. And that evening I done my
• 1:19:33
  circuits class which I thoroughly enjoy.
• 1:19:36
  Then you know when. When you tagged the the gym
• 1:19:40
  class on the story, Yeah, I. Followed I.
• 1:19:43
  Followed them and they never followed us back.
• 1:19:46
  It's an elite group. It's an elite group.
• 1:19:52
  I think he was away and he was away in Spain, my coach, so he
• 1:19:54
  mightn't be he might have been active on the on the socials.
• 1:19:58
  I'll get I'll get anthem. Oh no, the.
• 1:20:00
  Coach followed us yesterday, to be fair, yeah.
• 1:20:05
  Right Thursday morning I done 75 minutes in the morning and
• 1:20:10
  around 16 1/2 kilometers then. So Friday totally off just
• 1:20:17
  chilling. I went to the I try get massage
• 1:20:20
  every second week and then like the week in between that I try
• 1:20:23
  sauna just so it's like sort of a form of like recovery.
• 1:20:26
  So yesterday morning I had my first like track session back
• 1:20:32
  upper like track session. So it was 16112 hundred, 804
• 1:20:39
  hundred and then back up to 1600 all off like 3 minutes.
• 1:20:44
  And all these, they were sort of all at the same pace.
• 1:20:47
  So I was trying to hit between let's say like 73 and 70 and
• 1:20:51
  just like chill at them. And to be honest, I probably
• 1:20:54
  felt it was sort of a bit demoralizing wearing because I
• 1:20:56
  sort of, that was nearly my like 5K race pace and it felt a lot
• 1:21:01
  harder than 5K ever. But again, it was my first touch
• 1:21:06
  of speed since returning from injury.
• 1:21:09
  And it's it's really sort of sad on Strava.
• 1:21:13
  It shows like your activity from like one year ago today.
• 1:21:16
  And it was like my Gold Coast shake out for the 10K.
• 1:21:20
  So it's like, oh, that can happen in a year.
• 1:21:23
  But like, you know what? Like it was this weekend, you're
• 1:21:27
  4 weeks back you ran 8K in three O 7 per K like at Launceston you
• 1:21:33
  ran 3040 I think. Didn't you fit for 10K in
• 1:21:37
  Launceston I? Ran actually 3052 or something
• 1:21:42
  in Gold Coast around 3041 or something like that.
• 1:21:45
  Yeah, OK. Yeah.
• 1:21:45
  So, so you've run 80% of that just off that, that pace on a
• 1:21:51
  like on a hilly, on a hilly course.
• 1:21:54
  And you're, I wouldn't think you're like you said, you're
• 1:21:56
  probably your ceilings not there.
• 1:21:58
  Like I reckon it takes say 6 to 8 weeks of those track sessions
• 1:22:01
  to sort of fully feel like you're adapted to that sort of
• 1:22:05
  stress to sort of get that ceiling back and you're only
• 1:22:07
  just starting that. So like in two months from now,
• 1:22:12
  yeah, you know, it's, it's quite possible that your ceiling will
• 1:22:15
  be higher than than ever. That's that'll come around
• 1:22:18
  rather than later and it's sort of a little bit.
• 1:22:20
  Annoying that like the national track, so the all Irelands is
• 1:22:25
  the start of August. So it's just coming like it's
• 1:22:29
  coming a tiny bit too soon. Like it was at the end.
• 1:22:32
  If it was like at the start of September or something, I'd be
• 1:22:34
  like happy out, but no, it'll be like a lot can happen like 4 to
• 1:22:38
  5 weeks. So yeah, I'm excited to sort of
• 1:22:41
  just keep on keep on that. Let's see how this double trash
• 1:22:44
  whole thing works. So yeah, track session in the
• 1:22:47
  morning. Then yesterday evening I just
• 1:22:48
  got out for like a 45 minute double just on this grass loop
• 1:22:53
  and to try and get easy on the legs and it's Sunday morning
• 1:22:56
  now. So I have an hour and 40 minutes
• 1:23:00
  and then the 1st 45 are chill and then for 30 minutes in the
• 1:23:05
  middle I am sort of drop it a little bit and then I'll drop it
• 1:23:09
  for 30 minutes. Basically pick up the pace and
• 1:23:12
  then I'll ease off after that up to like an hour and 40.
• 1:23:16
  So I'm yet to do that. But when you say.
• 1:23:19
  Pick up just to like steady effort maybe.
• 1:23:22
  Yeah, so around. I'll try and get around like 330
• 1:23:26
  bullshit and yeah, so see how the body and like through this,
• 1:23:31
  I'll be like monitoring my heart rate as well to see like how
• 1:23:33
  high it gets up to and then after that steady effort, if it
• 1:23:37
  comes right back down, because ideally you'd want it to come
• 1:23:40
  right back down to what it was before you started the effort.
• 1:23:43
  So it'll be interesting to see how that is.
• 1:23:46
  But All in all this week I'll have done nearly hundred.
• 1:23:50
  I'd say mid 120, nearly 130. So yeah, I just need to keep on
• 1:23:54
  stacking these weeks. I'm racing a 3K next Wednesday.
• 1:23:59
  Obviously I'm not going to taper for it.
• 1:24:00
  It's just like a free hit basically see what happens.
• 1:24:04
  But yeah, that's will you have any?
• 1:24:08
  Anyone to run with in that 3K? Do you know how it might look
• 1:24:11
  or? Yeah.
• 1:24:11
  So it's. Actually it's this event called
• 1:24:14
  Cork City Sports, so I think it's on continental tour, so
• 1:24:18
  it's not like it's below bronze label.
• 1:24:21
  And so I'm in like. The open race, basically, I
• 1:24:23
  couldn't get into the the A race, but the A race will be won
• 1:24:26
  in like 737 forty like it's pretty legit and I think the the
• 1:24:32
  open race last year was won in 830.
• 1:24:35
  So I'm getting planning on just sticking out the back and just
• 1:24:39
  try and come true, see what happens.
• 1:24:41
  Again, free hit like I'm not expecting anything massive.
• 1:24:45
  Will the former? YouTube Diaries.
• 1:24:47
  I can't remember his name but his surname is Dalton.
• 1:24:51
  Will he be there, do you think? And.
• 1:24:53
  Cormac. So I think there's another
• 1:24:56
  really good race happening in Ireland.
• 1:24:58
  It's called the Morton Games and that is like a bronze label meet
• 1:25:01
  and I think he's doing the 5K and that.
• 1:25:04
  So yeah, it'd still be the three.
• 1:25:07
  See, there's only like a 3K in this court city.
• 1:25:10
  Support me like that's the longest.
• 1:25:13
  So no. So I'd say it'll be like a lot
• 1:25:16
  of the boys will do with the 3K and then we'll double up.
• 1:25:18
  I think there's a Morton Mile in the Morton Games, which is like
• 1:25:22
  the biggest, it's probably the most prestigious rate like track
• 1:25:25
  race in Ireland. But yeah, no, it's good.
• 1:25:28
  Not a solid week. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:31
  How are you going on doing? Yeah, good.
• 1:25:33
  So yeah, so Monday I didn't run Sunday, I ended up, I think I
• 1:25:37
  was just a bit unwell on the Sunday, but otherwise I ended up
• 1:25:43
  having a bit of a down week the week before.
• 1:25:46
  Like I did 2 double session days, but not too much else,
• 1:25:49
  ended up just running 100 KS. So then on the Mondays feeling
• 1:25:52
  feeling better, I dropped the camper van off.
• 1:25:54
  So it was a run to work from where I dropped that off.
• 1:25:57
  So 14 KS in the morning for in an hour or just over.
• 1:26:01
  And then Yep, unsurprisingly ran home that night.
• 1:26:05
  Tuesday, easy run into the office and then we had a track
• 1:26:08
  session that afternoon and we ended up having decent weather
• 1:26:15
  at the track for a change, which was nice.
• 1:26:19
  We had a 2K threshold and then Benson Straights and one KVO,
• 1:26:23
  like 1K at VO2 or pretty hard. You guys would remember that
• 1:26:28
  session. So I don't know why, but Max was
• 1:26:33
  on a bit of a mission to go pretty fast.
• 1:26:34
  So normally we do that 2K threshold, we run it in around
• 1:26:37
  say 610 and I got dropped and I ran 558 so I couldn't keep up.
• 1:26:43
  And I'm like, oh God, what's happened in the week that since
• 1:26:46
  I've gone like what's going on here?
• 1:26:48
  But then we started the bent and straights and Max, Max is like,
• 1:26:51
  oh, I'm cooked. And I'm like, oh, no disaster.
• 1:26:55
  So I think that we'd spend a lot of bickies in that first.
• 1:26:59
  Like that felt harder than what it needed to be.
• 1:27:02
  And it's only when you say you got.
• 1:27:04
  Dropped. How fast would they have run the
• 1:27:06
  the two KN like? 6 seconds probably quicker than
• 1:27:10
  me, so like 552 I think for your threshold. 2K at the start,
• 1:27:16
  almost like what is. Going on here.
• 1:27:18
  So like I, we did the first lap and it was like 73 and then it,
• 1:27:23
  the next one was 70 I think. And I chatted to Max he's like,
• 1:27:26
  oh it was a progression wasn't it?
• 1:27:28
  And I'm like, no, I'm pretty sure it's 5 laps threshold.
• 1:27:31
  And he's like, oh, I started a bit too fast and thought I'd
• 1:27:33
  better keep progressing it well. So I didn't know that that's
• 1:27:38
  what he was doing. And but, and yeah, I think I'd
• 1:27:40
  gone through too quick for AK and then I I'd slowed it down a
• 1:27:43
  bit, but by this stage I'd, yeah, it was too fast.
• 1:27:47
  But anyway, it came back to bite I think a little bit.
• 1:27:50
  So the Benson straights actually weren't too bad.
• 1:27:54
  I think, yeah, felt all right. I think it's like 1516 seconds
• 1:27:58
  for the straights and you know, whatever it would.
• 1:28:01
  So yeah, 1516 seconds and then 1920 seconds.
• 1:28:05
  So so close to that sort of 62nd lap pace or to 64 second lap
• 1:28:09
  pace for the on and then whatever it is 320 pace ish for
• 1:28:12
  the floats. So they felt fine, but then I
• 1:28:15
  was feeling pretty cooked by the one Ki think I got.
• 1:28:18
  I got around in 248, which it's not the quickest I've sort of
• 1:28:22
  done for that, but got it done. What's the?
• 1:28:26
  What's the rest between the bends and streets and then UK?
• 1:28:29
  Well anyone who doesn't know the bends in straight session, is it
• 1:28:34
  8 laps of essentially Sprint in the straight and then just
• 1:28:37
  floating through the bend? Yeah, exactly.
• 1:28:40
  So yeah, so it's sort of 2K threshold.
• 1:28:42
  SO5 laps not not not, not above threshold, but just meant to be
• 1:28:47
  at threshold jog lap. I would love.
• 1:28:49
  To done the latte after the threshold just to see what was
• 1:28:52
  late. I could feel it.
• 1:28:53
  And I thought, oh, what if we, why did we do that?
• 1:28:57
  And then the Benson straights, you obviously get fairly flooded
• 1:29:00
  as well because you're going 15 odd second pace, which for me is
• 1:29:03
  like hard moving that like quickly.
• 1:29:07
  And that's 4 laps. So you do, yeah, 4 laps of like
• 1:29:11
  sort of Sprint jog, Sprint jog, but you sort of keep the jogs
• 1:29:14
  fairly continuous. You know, you're not, you're not
• 1:29:17
  backing right off those jogs. And SO4 laps of that 90 seconds
• 1:29:21
  static rest and then do that again.
• 1:29:23
  Then you do a jog lap, but it ends up being a lap and a half
• 1:29:26
  because you jog around to the 200 meter spot to do your, your
• 1:29:30
  1K sort of close to all out. And by this stage the Max was on
• 1:29:36
  the physio table and I was left. I was by myself, so he didn't
• 1:29:40
  finish it. No.
• 1:29:42
  He was pretty sore battling an injury, but so battling an
• 1:29:46
  injury. So he just ripped out 552
• 1:29:50
  threshold at the same. He must have watched one.
• 1:29:53
  Of Jake's videos of Jane Hart. So we're seeing.
• 1:29:58
  The effects of Dean sending another training partner to the
• 1:30:01
  physio, Ralph would probably. Blame me maybe, but I was behind
• 1:30:06
  him so therefore so yeah, I don't think it was my fault.
• 1:30:10
  Wait for the Toms to be like. Yeah, we need.
• 1:30:13
  The Toms back, they Tom, the Toms Toms gave it much more
• 1:30:16
  orderly, whereas Max, Luke and I, it's all going a bit skewed
• 1:30:20
  if but yeah. So Wednesday, I can't remember
• 1:30:25
  what happened Wednesday, but it was a bit of a messy day family
• 1:30:30
  wise. But I did jog to and from the
• 1:30:32
  office, but I'm jogging from late Munga so I parked the car
• 1:30:34
  there. I did school drop off, had to
• 1:30:36
  get into the office for work rah rah rah.
• 1:30:38
  So it's a pretty short day of like 244 and a half K runs,
• 1:30:42
  which I didn't mind because you sort of have a big Thursday with
• 1:30:45
  that double threshold day. I didn't mind it being a bit of
• 1:30:47
  a lighter day anyway. And so Thursday I did the the
• 1:30:51
  morning threshold. So yeah, same as your cell
• 1:30:54
  phone, 4 by 6 minutes with a one minute jog.
• 1:30:56
  I did try and back off the one minute a little bit because I
• 1:30:58
  remember you saying like, you know, the purpose of that one
• 1:31:01
  minute is sort of just to make sure you're keeping everything
• 1:31:04
  in control. So I haven't got the lactate
• 1:31:05
  monitor out. I need to chat to, to RAF and
• 1:31:08
  and do it just to make sure it is as per what we expect it to
• 1:31:11
  be. But yeah, everything felt, felt
• 1:31:14
  fine. And then Thursday night, it was
• 1:31:17
  a cracking night down lakeside at Lake Munga.
• 1:31:20
  It was like dead still, cool, crisp.
• 1:31:23
  Josh was there. Josh had just got his hands on
• 1:31:25
  some bicarb, the bicarb mix. So he'd taken that before the,
• 1:31:30
  the session. So I was a bit nervous for him
• 1:31:32
  and his bowel movements. But he, he held it together,
• 1:31:35
  which was which was good. And we, yeah, we had 4 by 5
• 1:31:38
  minutes on, 2 minutes off. So 5 minutes.
• 1:31:41
  That's threshold 2 minute float. And that felt and, and I had
• 1:31:45
  Luke with me that night. And so Luke was doing, yeah,
• 1:31:49
  sorry. So I said to him, should we do
• 1:31:51
  310 paces? Yeah, no worries.
• 1:31:53
  And then he sat behind me for about two minutes and then
• 1:31:56
  proceeded to go in front and stayed in front of us and I
• 1:32:00
  think we ran. So we went three O 7 for the
• 1:32:02
  first Rep, three O 5 for the next Rep.
• 1:32:05
  Yeah, three O 5 for every Rep after that.
• 1:32:08
  But actually felt not too bad, like it felt it was, yeah, it
• 1:32:11
  was a nice night and I didn't feel too bad, which was Good
• 1:32:14
  Friday, too easy jogs in and out of the office.
• 1:32:17
  And then into Saturday morning session, which it was a bit of a
• 1:32:20
  strange session because we had five by a mile, No 6 by a mile
• 1:32:26
  around Lake Munga. And when I was doing those 5
• 1:32:30
  minute reps, I was running about a mile.
• 1:32:32
  And so I'm like, I think I'm just running more miles around
• 1:32:34
  Lake Munga. So this one was with static
• 1:32:36
  recovery, so like 90 seconds sort of, you know, that walk,
• 1:32:39
  jog, shuffle. And yeah, I felt pretty trash to
• 1:32:43
  be honest, on Saturday, Saturday morning.
• 1:32:47
  But yeah, it was 310307308308308306.
• 1:32:51
  So a little bit slower than what I was doing those 5 minute reps
• 1:32:55
  in, but that sounds a bit right. Like that sounds weird out
• 1:32:58
  nearly I think so I. Think that's felt better.
• 1:33:01
  Yeah. So.
• 1:33:03
  Yeah. So look, you know, got it done,
• 1:33:05
  got out for two hours. I meant to run a little bit
• 1:33:07
  further today but to get to swimming lessons so I ran two
• 1:33:11
  hours this morning. Overall just under 160 KS, so
• 1:33:15
  good week. Yeah.
• 1:33:17
  And do you have anything coming up in the near future or like
• 1:33:21
  there's? There's that shit.
• 1:33:22
  You remember the Shelly 10K you did last year?
• 1:33:24
  Or the one I have the course? Records for yeah.
• 1:33:28
  Wow, I'll go on that in two weeks.
• 1:33:29
  So I shouldn't have said it. I shouldn't.
• 1:33:31
  Have said it. It's going.
• 1:33:34
  What did you get out of interest?
• 1:33:36
  I think it was just. Something 30, yeah.
• 1:33:42
  So yeah, so now I've got that coming up maybe in a couple of
• 1:33:44
  weeks and then a couple of weeks after that is the Perth half as
• 1:33:47
  well. So that might be a bit of a hit
• 1:33:49
  out ahead of the half. Nice.
• 1:33:51
  Where is. That 10K Dean, is it around the
• 1:33:53
  river? Yeah.
• 1:33:54
  It's that Shelley. Foreshore area, so it's just
• 1:33:57
  5K's. It's not quite out and back,
• 1:33:59
  annoyingly. It should be out and back, but
• 1:34:00
  it sort of goes out for what, 3 1/2 K maybe, yeah.
• 1:34:04
  Does AU turn? It's all on footpath and then
• 1:34:06
  you do AU turn, then you run that direction for 5K.
• 1:34:10
  So you go past the start finish for AK and 1/2 or K and then
• 1:34:13
  turn back and yeah, run back along the path.
• 1:34:17
  We've done some marathon workouts there in the past.
• 1:34:20
  I don't know if we've done any in very recent history, but it's
• 1:34:23
  fairly flat and it just sort of follows the part of this one
• 1:34:27
  river. Any cash up for?
• 1:34:28
  Grabs there. No, it's just a.
• 1:34:31
  Just your local marathon club run, I think.
• 1:34:35
  Yeah, that's probably the biggest carrot now.
• 1:34:37
  So it's shouldn't have said anything.
• 1:34:40
  No. But yeah, that's the week.
• 1:34:43
  Good. Do you?
• 1:34:44
  Want to? Give a little update or what's
• 1:34:46
  your plan? How's it being back in good back
• 1:34:49
  in Perth? Like, go on then I'll say.
• 1:34:51
  Something but conscious not to repeat myself for the 7th week
• 1:34:54
  running. But yeah, I got back to Perth on
• 1:34:58
  Wednesday evening so actually didn't feel too bad jet lag wise
• 1:35:02
  on Thursday. But then it seems to have got
• 1:35:05
  increasingly worse. So like yesterday I was just
• 1:35:07
  wiped out, was in bed like in the afternoon.
• 1:35:09
  I was like, oh, what you doing? Just making it worse for
• 1:35:12
  yourself. But physically just couldn't.
• 1:35:15
  But the good thing is I've been waking up at like, well, I mean,
• 1:35:19
  it's not that good. I've been waking up at 4:00 AM.
• 1:35:21
  So I've just been going in the cross training in the gym before
• 1:35:26
  like the day started. So I know that that's sorted and
• 1:35:30
  the plan is for next week, Monday to Sunday, just keep
• 1:35:34
  cross training and keep doing the actual physio, which I
• 1:35:38
  hadn't really been doing and the rehab, the strengthening.
• 1:35:42
  And then on, on the Monday after I'm booked in with the physio to
• 1:35:46
  kind of do an assessment. And potentially what if it's not
• 1:35:50
  any better in terms of pain, then we'll just get a cortisone
• 1:35:54
  to ramp up the return essentially.
• 1:35:57
  Because I'm just fucking sick of it now and it feels like I have
• 1:36:01
  been patient. Maybe I haven't done like the
• 1:36:03
  all the rehab I should have done but I literally have deloaded
• 1:36:06
  for six weeks straight with like 0 running so and then if I put
• 1:36:11
  two weeks worth of strength and rehab into it and still no signs
• 1:36:14
  of improvement, then I feel like the only thing I'm left with is
• 1:36:17
  to just get this injection and hope that that does the trick.
• 1:36:20
  No, at least like you have a. Plan in place, like that's the
• 1:36:23
  main thing now you can sort of get that structure back into
• 1:36:25
  your life because when you're away, it's so hard to like do
• 1:36:28
  the gym, do the recovery when you're just it's go, go, go, go.
• 1:36:32
  So at least you can sort of like sort of get back on the horse.
• 1:36:35
  Yeah. And.
• 1:36:36
  Like me and you spoke about last week, maybe being at home wasn't
• 1:36:39
  the environment for me to be motivated to run and stuff
• 1:36:42
  anyway, so it was easy, but in being back in Perth, like it
• 1:36:45
  just makes me so hungry to get back training and stuff.
• 1:36:49
  So yeah, you do the world of good.
• 1:36:50
  Like your go go go there for like the last nearly two years.
• 1:36:54
  So like the break, it's so needed total reset back hungry
• 1:36:59
  earth than ever. That's the one.
• 1:37:03
  And I think we can. What's the weather?
• 1:37:06
  I'm looking for shit YouTube Diaries.
• 1:37:09
  We we can assign that to run to Japan for this week, I think,
• 1:37:13
  can't we? Yeah, seeing as we're we're
• 1:37:15
  running long in the episode recording already.
• 1:37:17
  Go watch his new video. About his latest announcement
• 1:37:20
  about his brand deal and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:37:22
  Or his? His yeah or his early?
• 1:37:26
  Videos. Yeah, and AS.
• 1:37:28
  Peeled to the Gold Coast 1. No, guys.
• 1:37:31
  Please, I'm going to actually go back and watch that second one
• 1:37:34
  where he's in the altitude camp. It is so funny.
• 1:37:38
  Oh my God, just watch it. There's.
• 1:37:42
  Before we finish, there's a couple of things I wanted to
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  mention about the pod and and the near future.
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  Hopefully we've got another interview lined up in the next
• 1:37:52
  couple of weeks with a big name in Australian distance running.
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  So eyes peeled for that. Really excited for that one.
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  And secondly, I don't know what to say about this, but we're
• 1:38:05
  thinking about how we can bring the easy Double community
• 1:38:08
  together so that it's not just the podcast being recorded and
• 1:38:13
  put out and listeners can actually kind of contribute and
• 1:38:15
  we can kind of bring everyone together.
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  So yeah, watch this space for that as well.
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  And then do you guys have anything else to add?
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  Nope, I did try and. Look.
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  What's coming up in the next week in terms of like major
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  racing, But based on what it has been in the past month or so, it
• 1:38:32
  looks like next weekend may be a little bit quiet.
• 1:38:35
  When's Monaco I. Think it must be the weekend?
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  After OK, OK. Yeah, because there's going to
• 1:38:40
  be a little pretty soon now for because they'll be building up
• 1:38:43
  for that World champs in Tokyo. Yeah.
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  When are the US? No, just looking now, when are
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  the US trials? Oh yeah, that'll be good because
• 1:38:51
  that's always good to just watch.
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  And and I like the drama with with those in terms of because
• 1:38:57
  it's literally if you're not top three, you don't make it you
• 1:39:02
  because you know, we were talking.
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  Oh, did you see some of the articles around Grand Slam and
• 1:39:07
  athletes not getting paid? Yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:39:11
  Yeah. Yeah, Waisi shared me, shared
• 1:39:14
  some articles with us. It was like saying that that
• 1:39:18
  athletes have only been paid for the first the Jamaican league,
• 1:39:22
  but not since, which is crazy if that's the case.
• 1:39:27
  But I think what that sort of Grand Slam made lacked was like
• 1:39:30
  some of the you couldn't feel the drama.
• 1:39:32
  Whereas there's US trials, you feel the drama.
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  You literally see the person come forth and they are gutted.
• 1:39:38
  And the person coming third is like, you know, like, yeah,
• 1:39:41
  you're racing for the pinnacles of your sport.
• 1:39:45
  It's sort of really good to watch.
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  And they're like, the US athletes are so competitive.
• 1:39:50
  So it's like, I feel like that would be a good one to preview.
• 1:39:53
  So that's the end of July especially.
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  Because throughout the season, like we've kind of got to know a
• 1:39:58
  few of the athletes and like they keep racing the same meets
• 1:40:01
  week on week, Aren't they the same guys are 10 and obviously
• 1:40:04
  build a bit of a storyline and background to it.
• 1:40:06
  Yeah, which? Which Speaking of, yeah, we
• 1:40:09
  shared dinner with that video during the week and talking
• 1:40:14
  YouTube Diaries of Jake and Hobbes Kessler, like one of the
• 1:40:19
  top American athletes running and you did you see that
• 1:40:21
  kilometre? You see the the time Crazy.
• 1:40:24
  That is so fast. Was it 214 that Jake 2:15?
• 1:40:29
  Two 15-6 or seven or something like you wouldn't do it on a
• 1:40:32
  bike. Them boys are moving 215 is so.
• 1:40:35
  Fast I was, I was 248. I was 200 meters behind them.
• 1:40:43
  I felt like I was moving all right, I wasn't terrible, but
• 1:40:46
  like, that's just so they're just and they look so good and
• 1:40:51
  then so, so how good did they look and how fast is that?
• 1:40:55
  Yet they were, they got completely dusted on overnight.
• 1:41:00
  So they they didn't feature neither Jake or Hobbs.
• 1:41:03
  Hobbs, Hobbs in the race. Yeah, yeah, he was in the
• 1:41:05
  middle. Somewhere as well, yeah.
• 1:41:07
  And so. Fair play to Cam.
• 1:41:09
  Hey, like Cam Mai. So in terms of like the next
• 1:41:12
  young talent, so Cam is, was he 1819?
• 1:41:16
  And I think that Laros is maybe a year or two older than him,
• 1:41:20
  right. Yeah.
• 1:41:22
  So he's sort of just that. Next.
• 1:41:24
  He's sort of that next sort of tier of progression.
• 1:41:28
  So cool to see those like those young kids sort of beating these
• 1:41:32
  guys that had like, there's so many guys running so fast that
• 1:41:36
  yeah, I think you sort of forget just how special that Bauman
• 1:41:41
  race was, don't you? When you see like Wyman and that
• 1:41:43
  running 215 and getting completely dusted, they run the
• 1:41:46
  risk. Well.
• 1:41:48
  Yeah, maybe they did because that, that, that 215 seems more
• 1:41:51
  special than what did they run 24348?
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  I tried. To do the conversion of the mile
• 1:41:57
  time, Laros is 345 high to 1500 meter time to get some context
• 1:42:03
  and it says it comes like the exact conversion is 330.6, but
• 1:42:08
  then obviously you're probably running slightly quicker because
• 1:42:12
  it's 110 meters shorter, so maybe it's 329 high.
• 1:42:16
  So it's not actually that fast, it's just the way that he won it
• 1:42:21
  and the field of guys that he beat.
• 1:42:23
  So like Cam's time, although he finished quite high up by the
• 1:42:27
  4th or 5th, I was watching because he was racing Cole
• 1:42:31
  Hocker coming up the last 100 meters and he's run 347
• 1:42:36
  something maybe, but doesn't actually come up as APB for Cam.
• 1:42:40
  So he's actually ran quicker than that before.
• 1:42:42
  Yeah, I don't even it. Didn't even come up as the
• 1:42:44
  season's best. So yeah, yeah, that's sort of
• 1:42:47
  where where it stacked up in terms of just raw time.
• 1:42:50
  Yeah, as soon as you mentioned. The US then we forgot to mention
• 1:42:55
  there was a 10,000 meters at the pre classic meet and obviously
• 1:42:58
  Connor Manson was in it last week and I said perhaps American
• 1:43:02
  record but it didn't go too well.
• 1:43:04
  I couldn't find. I tried to find a video of that
• 1:43:06
  was that it was prior to. Hey, this wasn't prior to the
• 1:43:10
  main, main show. Yeah, it was a couple hours.
• 1:43:12
  Earlier on just seeing that. Lad who won it as the Ethiopian.
• 1:43:17
  He looks like 18. He ran in what, 20?
• 1:43:19
  640, yeah. That's so hard to comprehend
• 1:43:23
  coming so far. Back-to-back 13. 20s yeah, I
• 1:43:26
  think it's. When you say.
• 1:43:28
  That it's even weirder yeah, because there's there's so many
• 1:43:32
  like professional athletes who run often 1315 thirteen 20s and
• 1:43:37
  then these African guys are literally double in it for 10K.
• 1:43:40
  But sure your man. Keep Limo with the half marathon
• 1:43:43
  record. He was doing outrageous 5K
• 1:43:46
  splits as well for like 21 kilometres.
• 1:43:49
  Yeah he was doing 13 mid as well.
• 1:43:51
  It's crazy. I.
• 1:43:55
  Went to Jake. Yeah, there was.
• 1:43:57
  AB race in the mile as well at the pre classic meet and the guy
• 1:44:02
  won in 348 in AB race yeah saw that he's.
• 1:44:06
  A jet though that he's that's it's one of the collisions
• 1:44:09
  Strand is. It I think, yeah, Ethan.
• 1:44:12
  Stranded. Who's his other He's got there's
• 1:44:15
  another guy that runs for the same college.
• 1:44:17
  There's two of them that are just Parker Wolf.
• 1:44:20
  Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, those guys are just absolute weapons.
• 1:44:23
  And then I think Adam Spencer was in that race as well, wasn't
• 1:44:26
  he? Yeah, he was 4th and.
• 1:44:27
  Maybe in 350 yeah so far the the depth right now is insane Yeah
• 1:44:33
  you. Can't get your your fourth in
• 1:44:36
  the Bay Race running 350? There's hope for us.
• 1:44:39
  We just. We.
• 1:44:40
  Just need to hit that like just just waiting for that.
• 1:44:47
  Like 3 minute breakthrough on that 3K there now and just go
• 1:44:56
  out in like 50 fours and see if you can hang on.
• 1:45:02
  I. Genuinely don't think I could
• 1:45:04
  run one. No, no, actually I couldn't run
• 1:45:07
  one. There's no even thinking about
• 1:45:08
  it. Like I actually I I've never, I
• 1:45:10
  don't think I've broken 61 for a freaking 400, never mind.
• 1:45:14
  No, no, I think I might wait on like 60 nines or something like
• 1:45:17
  that.