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Patriots Unfiltered 11/9: Offensive Outlook, Mac Jones Talk, Bye Week Ponderings · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Do you think Bill is possibly taking in his own
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  Speaker 1: way to get a top draft pick along with revamping
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  Speaker 1: the team for the near future. Is he's going about
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  Speaker 1: at all wrong? I got to tell the defense to right,
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  Speaker 1: you can stop winning. I come from, you know, as
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  Speaker 1: a I talked about my hockey career, you know, being
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  Speaker 1: an offensive defenseman. Move. Well, if the Colts can hire
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  Speaker 1: of Saturday as a headquarter, can we hire Tom Brady
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  Speaker 1: as our offensive coordinator. Friend's really determined to get Brady back. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: There's a trend going on right now where offenses are
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  Speaker 1: kind of being stifled a little bit. And I'm just
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  Speaker 1: wondering if that's happening to like the Patrick Mahomes of
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  Speaker 1: the world. It's not happening to him, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: He would not be a good example. Their production is
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  Speaker 1: down in addition to other teams, you know, but it's
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  Speaker 1: not that's my point. We don't pick the teams that
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  Speaker 1: that are the most explosive. No, I am picking the
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  Speaker 1: teams are the most Anybody can get stopped for one game.
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  Speaker 1: There's a trend going on right now, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what it is. You know, Paul didn't allow me
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  Speaker 1: to finish. I mean, certainly, the way Bill was talking
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  Speaker 1: up Aaron Rodgers, I can see where you would think that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I'm sorry what he's saying two
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  Speaker 1: years Rogers coming here next year, and you don't know
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  Speaker 1: that that whether that'll happen or not. Yeah, okay, I'll Clara,
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  Speaker 1: welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It's Wednesday here at Gillette Stadium,
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  Speaker 1: and we got a big crew. We got deuced, we
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  Speaker 1: got Evan, we got Evan fresh from film review. I'm assuming,
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, where we're gonna We're counting on you to
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  Speaker 1: have all the answers for the bye here, Alex is here,
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  Speaker 1: Paul's here, myself, Matt's in the booth. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday show before the bye. Yeah, late practice today, so
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  Speaker 1: one fifteen Evan Old duck out. So maybe we'll get
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  Speaker 1: some some interesting news towards the end of the show.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe some guys are back. I don't know, I'm speculating,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe, But it doesn't really mean anything because it's
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  Speaker 1: probably a walkthrough, right, But I think to me the
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  Speaker 1: topic is what's gone on the last couple of days
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  Speaker 1: in terms of Mark Daniels making some news about overhearing
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  Speaker 1: offensive players in the locker room, talking about how the
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  Speaker 1: Colts knew, you know what plays, you know, calling out plays,
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  Speaker 1: and then Bill admitting yesterday that he sees the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: Not only that, but go back to the Ravens game
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  Speaker 1: and they were doing it too well. Jetzt jetz Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so that's mildly surprising because Bill, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it almost seemed like it was one of those questions
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  Speaker 1: that he was happy was asked. You know, So I
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about that. Um, you know, I also
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about and I forgot what it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was. It was along those It was an answer
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  Speaker 1: also Bill said about you know what he you know,
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  Speaker 1: self scouting over the buy and usually he doesn't go
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  Speaker 1: into specifics about what, but he says, yeah, we need
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  Speaker 1: to make some scheme adjustments. Those were his exact words,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but he never has said that in the past,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like getting that specific. Now, of course we
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  Speaker 1: don't know what those adjustments are, and you know what
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  Speaker 1: he's but just the mere fact that he said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be looking at some scheme adjustments, it is
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  Speaker 1: telling badness. Yeah that you know, this is you know,
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  Speaker 1: making this offense better is job number one during this
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  Speaker 1: by I thought there were some good questions yesterday in
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  Speaker 1: the press conference. I mean, I just the way Mark
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  Speaker 1: Daniels asked it and got a good response. I liked
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  Speaker 1: how Andrew Callahan asked the last question of you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it seems like he's speaking Bill a little
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  Speaker 1: bit understanding every quarterback is different, every play is different.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I thought I just thought that was
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  Speaker 1: interesting the way Bill, And again this is probably one
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  Speaker 1: of those kind of usual answers you get out of him.
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  Speaker 1: But I just I still found it interesting. I think
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  Speaker 1: the best thing we can do, just in terms of
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  Speaker 1: overall production is more efficiency as a unit, every single
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  Speaker 1: person making sure that their execution is as good as
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  Speaker 1: it can be on the play, and we'll have more
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  Speaker 1: positive plays, more positive results, less long yardage, more points.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of the focus for us this week. I
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  Speaker 1: know that that's well, very general, right, But at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, I think that in there there's some things acknowledging,
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  Speaker 1: trouble moving the ball, trouble scoring points, not consistent enough,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean that's the story of the week. Everybody's
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's the thing. And I think
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  Speaker 1: the people who are reasonable and who study it and
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  Speaker 1: watch it, I'll kind of come to the same conclusion
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  Speaker 1: that it's all broken. It's all broken, and you don't
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  Speaker 1: really know where to start. So but you know, I'm wondering,
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  Speaker 1: like can scheme adjustments be enough? You know, like at
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  Speaker 1: some point you just got to have better players, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And it's lay better than this, though, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think they're not playing up to even the talent
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  Speaker 1: that they have. I think, so except for maybe the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line. I'm not sure about what's going on there,
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  Speaker 1: but I really think that the pieces around mac I
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  Speaker 1: still contend they're good enough. They're good enough, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know what Bill's referring to. Maybe Evan,
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  Speaker 1: you have some ideas of what you I know that
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  Speaker 1: you're big RPO. You want more RPOs, right, don't even
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  Speaker 1: get me started on that yet, And that's like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know. Look. I said to Mike earlier when
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  Speaker 1: I got in for the day that the only way
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  Speaker 1: I can properly surmize all of this is to put
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  Speaker 1: it in micro and macro level issues, right because there's
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  Speaker 1: so many issues going on with this offense, and it's
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  Speaker 1: difficult to list them all, and we don't have the
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  Speaker 1: time right now to list all of them and get
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  Speaker 1: into all the details. So I think that on a
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  Speaker 1: micro level, their play to play execution certainly can be
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  Speaker 1: a lot better just based off of what they are running,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's sound or not, Like they could do a
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  Speaker 1: better job of going out there and actually executing the place. Certainly,
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line needs to block better. That is always
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  Speaker 1: number one on a lot of offenses. That struggle is
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  Speaker 1: poor offensive line play so whether it's running the football
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  Speaker 1: passing the football, they're just not getting kiss consistent enough
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  Speaker 1: blocking right now to do anything consistently. Well, I'd say
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  Speaker 1: the second thing that you see is more about timing
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  Speaker 1: with the passing game, route spacing, timing. You know, Mac
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  Speaker 1: Jones hits his back foot in wait in sacked right, Like,
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  Speaker 1: how many times are we going to see that? Now?
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  Speaker 1: Some of that comes down to processing and where the
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  Speaker 1: quarterback is looking and things like that. But I think
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  Speaker 1: what they're he've done as they've tried to devise an
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  Speaker 1: offense to get the ball out quicker because they know
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  Speaker 1: their offensive line is a problem. But the issue is
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  Speaker 1: that the routes that they are running are not hitting quickly.
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  Speaker 1: So you have guys breaking routes off at eight twelve
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  Speaker 1: yards down the field when Mac is three step drops,
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  Speaker 1: so he's three step drop, He's looking around, He's like,
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  Speaker 1: their backs are to me, where am I supposed to
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  Speaker 1: go with the football right now? So there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of that type of it's out of sync right where
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  Speaker 1: the drops, the protection and the routes are not congealed.
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  Speaker 1: They're not right, They're not at the same level. And
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  Speaker 1: I know Greg Madard I thought did a good job
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  Speaker 1: of explaining how they used to do this, which was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Josh McDaniels would devise a game plan with
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  Speaker 1: the route combinations that they thought would work against the
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  Speaker 1: defense they were facing. So last week they're facing Gus Bradley,
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  Speaker 1: so it's probably going to be a lot of Cover
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  Speaker 1: three beaters. Right, He's a Seattle three guy, so it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of Cover three stuff. Then Josh McDaniels would
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  Speaker 1: go to Dante Scarnekia and say, these are the core
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  Speaker 1: concepts that we would like to run this week. How
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  Speaker 1: are we going to protect the quarterback? And they would
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  Speaker 1: together then devise how many you know steps in a
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  Speaker 1: drop Tom Brady's going to take? Is it five man protect?
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  Speaker 1: Is it six man protect? Has the running back and
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  Speaker 1: come into the equation if it's a blitz and all
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  Speaker 1: these other details of the passing play. There's a disconnect
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  Speaker 1: right now going on with the timing of the offense.
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  Speaker 1: I think those are all like micro issues that they
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  Speaker 1: might be able to iron out during the bye week
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  Speaker 1: and get those things better than what they were last week.
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  Speaker 1: I think the macro issue is though mac Jones is
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  Speaker 1: processing and his internal clock is completely screwed up at
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  Speaker 1: this point. And the second thing I would say is
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  Speaker 1: that the design of the offense from a macro level
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  Speaker 1: point of view is elementary. Yeah, and that is a
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  Speaker 1: really big concern. Now, you mentioned that Mark Daniel's great
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  Speaker 1: reporting by him not trying to take away anything from
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  Speaker 1: the reporting, but stuff like linebackers, veteran linebackers like C. J.
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  Speaker 1: Mosley and Shack Leonard calling out plays and things like
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  Speaker 1: that is not super uncommon. Well, I was having time
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  Speaker 1: like if I was a defensive player and I'm facing
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  Speaker 1: a young quarterback in particular, even if I don't know
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  Speaker 1: the play call, call something out and get the quarterback thinking,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like what does he know or what he does?
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  Speaker 1: He has no idea. But regardless whether I'm right or wrong,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just putting something into the quarterback's head like I
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  Speaker 1: know something, and you know, you're effing with them. That's
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  Speaker 1: all they're doing that. I was going to leave that
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  Speaker 1: to after because I know Evan wanted to go over
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  Speaker 1: the offense and whatnot. I took Bill's comment yesterday. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: people make fun of me all the time, they call
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  Speaker 1: me a contrarian. I'm really not a contrarian. I just
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  Speaker 1: don't always see things exactly the same way, right, you
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  Speaker 1: see things contrary to whatever? No, I don't. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: I think Evan just said it perfectly. I think what
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  Speaker 1: Bill was trying to say yesterday was like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: saw two veteran middle linebackers. That that happens all the time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what he was trying to say. Like I think
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  Speaker 1: he was like people were like, was he taking a
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  Speaker 1: shot at Patricia? And I think it was exactly the opposite.
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  Speaker 1: I said this yesterday on the show because because Mike
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  Speaker 1: read that quote off Twitter yesterday, off of Evans tweet
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  Speaker 1: from the press conference, and we talked about it, and
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  Speaker 1: I said, I think there's another example of he's he's
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  Speaker 1: backing up, like he's trying to say, like, we played
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  Speaker 1: good defenses the last couple of weeks with guys that
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  Speaker 1: know what they're doing, and it makes it a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more challenging. So maybe we had some young, you know,
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  Speaker 1: some changing moving parts on the offensive line. That's why
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  Speaker 1: you know we struggled so much. You know, it won't
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  Speaker 1: always be like that. I think he was kind of
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  Speaker 1: diffusing it a little. Actually. I think that was its intense. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think. I think nothing could be further from
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  Speaker 1: the truth than him taking a shot at Patricia yesterday
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  Speaker 1: with that comment. And that's the way it was sort
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  Speaker 1: of portrayed on the direction everybody wants to go that
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  Speaker 1: that said, well, this offense is so simple and easy
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  Speaker 1: to understand that the other team is just sitting there
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  Speaker 1: picking it up exactly and I see it too, right,
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  Speaker 1: But what he was saying that he saw was, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that recognition by the other defensive player, and yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: it could be as simple as that. It really could.
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  Speaker 1: But the fact that Bill like welcomed the question, yeah right,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he didn't brush it off. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: what got everybody going. And I think maybe, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like if Mark Daniels is true, and I guess other
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  Speaker 1: report has heard it too, you know, the offensive players
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  Speaker 1: saying it in the locker room, well, that might have
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  Speaker 1: got back to Bill and maybe he had a talk
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  Speaker 1: with them it said, guys, you know, like, what are
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  Speaker 1: you worried about? You know, this is something that every team,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not they don't know our plays. You know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he had a talk with them and then welcome
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  Speaker 1: the questions so that he could diffuse it publicly as well.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd love to know what the context
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  Speaker 1: was with how the players were saying it, because I
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  Speaker 1: there's some gray area there of players being impressed with
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  Speaker 1: the defensive players doing that. Then there's another side of them.
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  Speaker 1: Context could have been like can you believe they knew
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  Speaker 1: what we were doing the whole time? Like, there's two
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  Speaker 1: different sides of it, you know, those are the two
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  Speaker 1: sides of Wow, you know, these guys were tough, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, I get what people were pushing. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so like you know so, and then then it's up
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  Speaker 1: to Bill to say, they're good defensive players. That's what's
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  Speaker 1: gonna happen when you play against good defensive players. So
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  Speaker 1: stop throwing people under the bus. And it happens all
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  Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, stop pointing fingers. You've got to have
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  Speaker 1: counters to it too, you know, like yeah, And he
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  Speaker 1: said that they did have a few plays where they
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  Speaker 1: tried to Jack Lenard thought he saw what he saw
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  Speaker 1: and thought he knew where where he was going, and
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  Speaker 1: they tried to hit him. I don't know if they
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  Speaker 1: that actually worked. And some people asked me, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: where are the examples of those plays. I'm not in
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  Speaker 1: the huddle, so I don't know what I could have been.
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  Speaker 1: The hunter Henry played down the scene. It could have
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  Speaker 1: been the screen shoot. I mean, yeah, Johnny the first
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  Speaker 1: John finally called play action after eight straight runs on
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  Speaker 1: the first down. But yeah, that's like, you know, these
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  Speaker 1: things happen all the time. And the examples that I
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  Speaker 1: put up on Twitter last night, Dante high Tower was notorious,
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  Speaker 1: notorious for calling out offenses plays based off of film study, formation,
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  Speaker 1: down and distance, things like that. And I remember in
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  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen that open Air against Pittsburgh, Patrick Chung made
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  Speaker 1: a big pass breakup on third down and he said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: high Tower told me the route before the play, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And you see on the broadcast of the of the
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  Speaker 1: game that high Tower points to Patrick Chung and says, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know he's running a stick route here. And then
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  Speaker 1: sure enough, the receiver runs a sticker out, Patrick Chung
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  Speaker 1: breaks it up and they punt the football right. You know,
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  Speaker 1: those are things that happen every single week, and high
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  Speaker 1: Tower was notorious for it. Stefan Gilmour was really good
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  Speaker 1: at anticipating routes that receivers were going to run based
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  Speaker 1: off of alignment, you know, different things that they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: So this is something that smart, good defensive players do
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  Speaker 1: all the time. If I was out there on defense,
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  Speaker 1: i'd do it just like I said, screw with them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: screw with them, might be screwed with your own defense.
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  Speaker 1: They'll fresh. Oh, but like let them know, let them know,
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  Speaker 1: don't listen to them. Don't listen to me. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: be screwing with them. You know, draw what the hell
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  Speaker 1: friend spend sport time trying to screw people? Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's all. It's all the mental chess, not checkers, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know. It's another thing. Can we talk about um
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  Speaker 1: so dan Orlovski? I mean he's you know you really
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  Speaker 1: like he's been tweeting. Well, I want to I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it first. My first thing is like, look,
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  Speaker 1: I'm all here for like you want to put a
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  Speaker 1: thing up pointing out that the offense isn't coordinated and
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  Speaker 1: you know, isn't isn't it great? It's great? But like
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  Speaker 1: why did he use the one where Kendrick Bourne's open?
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  Speaker 1: Like I like, and I know chat, H'm like tweeting
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  Speaker 1: about this thing too him, Like I'm all for the example,
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  Speaker 1: but like, do you have to pick one where Kendrick
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  Speaker 1: Bourne's wide open and Mac doesn't even see him for
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  Speaker 1: the first down? Like, I get the general point. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not like saying that, but it just made me wonder.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of put my Pirolo hat on a little
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  Speaker 1: bit and I was Likesky played for the Lions, Detroit
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  Speaker 1: hates Matt Patrician. Now, is that is there some kind
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  Speaker 1: of because it just it seems almost to me like
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  Speaker 1: you're going overboard to try to he grows up, girls
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  Speaker 1: up and he grows I'm so proud of you, but
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  Speaker 1: that but it just seemed to much and I'm like, like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure there are other clips he could have found
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  Speaker 1: that would have perfectly illustrated. I mean, Evan and I
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  Speaker 1: got in a big discussion this morning about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: feeling like guys weren't really running rout. It's hard that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Like Evan said, Evan, Mac gets to the drop,
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  Speaker 1: he's there and nobody's even looking at him. And that
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  Speaker 1: was the case on that play. But again, there was
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  Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne wide open right in the middle for a
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  Speaker 1: first down. So I don't know, I just I'm kind
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  Speaker 1: of like Demolowski. I'm all for it, but can just
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  Speaker 1: find better examples, Like, yeah, it just seems like too
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  Speaker 1: much to me, Like you're going overboard to kill and
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  Speaker 1: and believe me, I think this is well worth analyzing
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  Speaker 1: and pointing out things. But if he really has been
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: the Patriots like biggest hater this season, it feels like
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  Speaker 1: the lack of full field progressions from mac Jones where
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  Speaker 1: I can see him go through even just like the
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  Speaker 1: progression on the same side of the field, Like we're
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  Speaker 1: not even talking about going from left to right or
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: you know, you start in the middle of the field
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: and you're going to the sideline. We're just talking about
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: reading out a three man route combination on the right
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: side of the field, like the example that Dan Orlovsky
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: gave and Mike is talking about. He's just staring down
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: the field at Tykwon Thoron, trying to see if Taykwon
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Thornton is going to separate from Stefan Gilmour who has
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: him in an absolute straight jacket and is like not
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: gonna let go right, you know, like there's no he
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: is not open. But instead of coming off that read
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: and getting to the other side of the field, where
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: he's got three receivers, one of them is open for
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: the first down, and Kendrick Bourne he just sticks on
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: it and he holds the ball and he holds the
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: ball and then he's like, oh, shoot, I gotta get
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: the ball out, Like where am I going with it?
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: He ends up forcing the ball to Ormandre Stevenson on
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: a checkdown like falls in complete. There was a play
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: earlier in the game where they just want him to
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: read out a sale concept like it's three receivers, right,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: it's three, it's a go route, a corner route, and
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: a flat route, and they just want him to read
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: it out and Hunter Henry is open on the checkdown.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Is it's third and long, it's probably not going to
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: pick up a first down, But the right quarterback play
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: is just to throw the ball right to Hunter Henry
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: on the checkdown and hope that your guy makes somebody
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: miss and picks up the first down. And instead he
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: takes a sack. He just doesn't see it. He tries
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: to leave the pocket and he takes a sack. So
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: these are the progression things, or you know. I asked
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: him after the game about his eyes being in the
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: right place and his eyes starting in the right place
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: on a play and things like that, and these are
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: just issues that he was not having last year. These
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: are issues he'd never had at Alabama, you know, Like
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: these are just things mentally processing things where he's staring
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: down receivers, he's not coming off covered reads, he's not
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: reading the full field. Like it's just not like this season.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the biggest thing that you look
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: at it in the buy and you talk about scheme adjustments,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: not all of it is under center. Not all of
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: his issues are coming under center. But we have was
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: he started twenty four games. Now we have a twenty
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: four game sample size of Mac Jones struggling throwing the
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: football from under center. He's thirty fifth out of forty
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks in passer rating from unders since the start of
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: last year. So he is not a good under center quarterback.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: And I think early on in the season they knew that.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: The first three weeks of the season he was only
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: throwing from under center nine percent of the time. But
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: then Bailey Zappy came in and they had all this
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: success with under centered play action with Bailey Zappy in
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the game. And he comes back and now he's at
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: double the under center passing rate, So somewhere in there,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: whether it was a Bailey Zappy effect or just they
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: thought they could beat the Jets and the Colts by
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: playing under center, or whatever the case may be, they
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: decided to pivot back to being an under centered team
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: and it just doesn't fit the quarterback. He just dy
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: statistics are just terrible. Do you think it's any way
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: advantageous that they're playing the Jets coming out of this
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: by a team they just play, so there's less prep
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: that they have to do for the team and they
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: can spend more time on whatever these scheme adjustments are,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean I would love to say yes,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: but I just I feel like these team two teams
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: know each other really well. That's what I'm saying. So
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not all about like, oh, we got
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: we gotta learn the Jets. We know that. Y Yeah,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: let's let's learn us right now. I mean, I think
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: that's that's a good point. But I mean, yeah, I
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: think the Jets are going to challenge all this stuff,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and I mean I don't want to. I don't know, Yeah,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: that game too much. Paul's getting getting worried when I
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: keep pumping up this Jets game coming up in a
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks. But because you sound like you're Paul,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: is this a lousible getting scared? Yeah, I'm scared. It's
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I'm scared. I'll tell you. You You know what it reminds
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: me of. And they're not there yet, the Jet. Like
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: you know what I feel about the Jets. I still
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: feel that way. They're not there yet. I know they did.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I don't believe in the quarterback. I think it's hard
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: to win. I think it's hard to win when you
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: have to play around your quarterback all the time. And
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that's what the Jets sap to do right now. Yeah,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: but it reminds me a little bit of the situation
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: last year with the two games and pretty close um
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: proximity with Buffalo, and Buffalo had to have left that
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: that Monday night game thinking how the hell do we
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: lose that game? To think about Poyer and the right
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and everybody said they were pissed, are done, there's still
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: the bills blah blah blah blah blah. Right, and then
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: you didn't punt right right. The Jets can't do that.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: They don't have the Bills talent. Like, I'm not saying
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: it's the same, but I think the mentality might be similar,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: and they might just say, how did we lose this? Yeah? No,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I agree, how did we lose that game? All we
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: had to do is have our quarterback not completely hand
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the game to the other team, and we would have won.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be that easy because I think
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: the quarterback has a tendency to hand the game to
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: the other team, right, and Josh Allen doesn't do that right.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: But if they can settle him down and play like
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you did against Buffalo instead of the way you did
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: against the Patriots, they'll have an opportunity to win. I
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: think it's going to be a great game. I mean,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: talk about, you know, a chess match, you know. I
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: think it's going to be a great game. Like what
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: are these teams gonna do? You know? I mean, I
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: think it's it's just in the context of the season two.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the Patriots of things have changed
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the last few years, but you've still been able to
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: beat the Jets, and you know, this is a game
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: where the Jets are gonna come in feeling like like
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Paul laid out, and I think the Patriots, I think
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the Patriots aware of that though. I mean I saw
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: some of the guys mentioning even in the post game
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: of you know, we got another big challenge with the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Jets right after the buy so um, but you look
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: at the buy issues that they've had in recent years,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: kind of coming out playing flat that kind of stuff.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: It's not going to cut it this year. And I
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: just think you lose this game, it sets the whole
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: tone for the last seven games. I mean, this is
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: this is I don't want to say it's a must win,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: but I think if you want this to be an
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: interest a lot of must wins. Well, I mean it
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: could be wrong, Paul, but I don't think that. You know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Bill's record coming out of buys is the same as
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: his overall record in terms of good Yeah, you know,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have it off the top of
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: my head, but I remember we had I think it
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: was Rick and Louisville. Yeah, there was a stretch to
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: write in with that all the time. And he was
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: right because remember we pushed back on it a little
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: bit and we're like Seattle's kind of I think, like
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Seattle twenty sixteen. I think it's deceiving because it's like
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, like the bye was blamed on last year,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: and you know how my feeling on the by what
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: what changed after the bye? Well, you played teams with
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: a pulse and that's what That's what That's what happened.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: And you know, like Seattle is the game after a bye, Well,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Seattle's a losable game, you know, Seattle and the and
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: the the prime of the Legion of Boom. That was
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: a tough game, right. That wasn't because you had a
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: bye that you lost that game. You could have lost
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: that game, But the narrative was, Oh, Bill Belichick coming
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: out of bye two weeks to plan for a team, right, yeah,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: And that's wasn't always the case, you know. Yeah, And
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: that's I think to your point, Fred, it's not two
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: weeks to scheme up against your Jets yet, scheme up yourself, right.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: We gotta we gotta get right first before we even
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: start looking at the Jets this week. But I think
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: even Biggers is being ready for the energy that that
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: team's going to bring in, and the and and the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: fire that they're going to kind of play with. Feeling
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: about energy, I know, I think that they I think
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Fred's right, I think they got to get themselves right,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: you know, and all the things that Evan talked about,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: you know, schematically with the offense, they have to figure
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that out. Like I don't think that they like played
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: flat the other day some of the some of the
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: route effort was there. I don't know about that. Yeah,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about everything of running team that's gotten
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: a little too far. But I think a lot of
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the times what I'm seeing with them on tape is
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that if they know the ball's not coming to them, Okay,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: there's a different level of effort in the route running
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: or something there. And I've heard that before, yeah, yeah,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: And there's an issue there that if you're on the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: back side and you just kind of jog through a
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: dig route or something like that, then like whatever. But
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: when you're on the primary progression and but you're a
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: clear out, you're just running a vertical to clear out
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the coverage. If you half asked that, then you're in
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: trouble because you you're not making the space right, you're
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: not creating the space down the field for the receiver
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: that they're actually trying to get the football too. So
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: if there is there evidence of that on this team
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: this year. Yes, okay, but I'm not against against the Colts.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that that's a season long problem.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: But what you're seeing a lot of against you know,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: a zone team like the Colts are, like the Jets.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: All you're trying to do is clear guys out of
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: zones so that you can fill it in right. You
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: want to send a vertical route down the field, and
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: then you want a corner or an out or a
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: snag route like Hendrick Bourne ran on the play Mike
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: was talking about, like you're just trying to clear out
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the coverage. But if you clear, if you run a
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: clear out route at fifty percent, then the defenders aren't
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: gonna aren't threatened by it, and they're not gonna run
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: with you. They're just gonna not respect the route. So
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: there's guys I don't want to name names, but there
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: are people on the tape from last week that knew
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: they were just clearing out and they were not running
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: hard off the line of scrimmage, and that it condenses
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the entire combination down the fields and now guys are
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: on top of each other instead of the spacing that
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: they really want. Well, that's that's a big issue. But
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I'm talking that's not a scheme adjustment, that's an attitude.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: But but I'm talking about in general. In the game,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: they came out ready to play and they didn't play well.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, I'm not talking about like every single guy,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: every single play whatever for eighteen weeks. I'm talking about
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: that they didn't have trouble offensively because they were flat
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and didn't care. Like I think in Evan's not the
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: only one that's talked about this. There was a lot
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: of references to Kendrick Bourne in that game, not necessarily
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: going all out, Okay, and like, I don't That's not
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the team. Like
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: last year when they lost to the Colts, it was
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: because they were flat. I remember, yep, they were flat? Yeah,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Like I don't buy that. Yeah, I mean, you know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: does a player and you know, forget about being you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Kendrick Boorne. But if you're a player who's out there
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: for X number of snaps and they're just not throwing
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the ball to me anymore, is it natural to kind
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: of lose interest sometimes? So what am I doing? So
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: for a guy like Kendrick Borne, I think that that's
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: he's been in offenses before in San Francisco and here,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: where you know that certain plays you're just not you're
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: not there's not a high probability that you're going to
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: get the football right. And I think in a lot
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: of ways with someone like Hendrick Borne too, like you're
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you're not Jerry Rice, like they're not they're not scheming
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: up all these plays to get you the football all
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the time. So sometimes you just got to run your
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: route and if the ball finds you, the ball finds you.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: The guy that I can understand that might be getting
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: some reservations, I know he's a young player, is Tae Kwon.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Because Taekwon gets drafted with the fiftieth overall pick. They
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: need receiver help, and they're just not using him properly,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Like he's just not he's not getting targeted, he's not
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: catching passes. You know, he's one of the worst receivers
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: in the league and yards per route right now, he's
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: got I think nine targets on the season or something
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: like that, nine catches on the season. So those are
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: things that well, then why did you draft me, right, Like,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: did you have me just to come out here and
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: run wind sprints or did you draft me to get
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: me the football? Because when I played at Baylor, I
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: was getting the football right and I and I think
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that that sometimes when you draft guys high like that too.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: It I think it had Nikila. I just don't think
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: was was super talented, but I think at the beginning
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: he had some of that too, where it's like you
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: drafted me in the first round and I don't get
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the ball? You know, why why why are we not
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: designing plays for me? You know when you drafted me
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: so high? Yeah, and I see the same thing with Taekwon.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I wonder part of the psychology of it too is
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you know, knowing that Max's not really going through the progression,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: so you know, if you're not one or two, there's
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: no chance he's getting to you. Whereas we high functioning offense,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody could be and b be a target
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: on a certain that's right. You know, like if Born
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: does come open and maybe he's not number one on
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the progression, but I'm open and you stood in the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: pocket and got sacked, why didn't you look my way?
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah? And I mean I think it's I
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: think you always see this when you watch games of
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: guys are wide open and then they had and then
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the ball goes somewhere else and they have that like
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: brief moment or like you know, like that little moment.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I think that's pretty common. But still at a certain
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: point when the offense just isn't producing, it's got to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: be really frustrating when you feel like, but hey, I
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: had four or five opportunities today to make some plays
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and they just can't get me the ball. But you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: especially with Bourne, because that was all over this tape
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that he had I would say two or three plays
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: where he was opened down the field and whether it
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: was pressure, was just Mac not looking his direction for
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: whatever reason. I'm not saying that he would have had
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: two hundred yards if they found him on all of them,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: but he definitely would have had a much better game
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: in the box score than he ended up having. He
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: also had like a drop in a fumble though, so
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: it's like, maybe you'd get more opportunity if you were
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: ready for it. Yeah, if I'm him, that's the mentality
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I'm taking. No, it's it. There's no one thing. I mean,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: there's the blame pie. There's many many slices on this pie.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: No one's immune from it from the top down. When
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: it comes to the offense, I'm gonna bring some blame
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: pie to our Thanksgiving show. How about that? We'll have
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: some blame pie kind of pie. I'm interested blame pie.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I'm intrigued. Um. But you know, now that we're on
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the buy and we're kind of evaluating, you know, what's
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: happened so far, I'm so pleased with the defense. You know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I coming out of twenty twenty one, I didn't know
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: where the plays were going to come from. And individuals
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: are making plays, you know, right up the line, um,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: you know, so you have to be happy with that now,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: you know. I agree with Paul. They haven't really played
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: the teeth of their schedule yet when it comes to quarterbacks,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: so that's to come where there's still a lot more
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: to see. I would agree, you know, but I would
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: be making plays. Yeah, I would agree with Yeah. It's
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: just the feeling of of we got to see them
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: do it against but they're doing it against the bad one.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it means, but that part, like
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: based on what they have they have had to do.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: They've they have had a lot of different guys making
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: plays and they have played well on the balance of
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the first half of the schedule. And you know his
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: names are Wise and Ouche and Bentley. I think has
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: played better the last few games and when he started. Yeah, um,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: you know. The defensive backfield is I think as solid
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: as we thought it should be, and it is. You know,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: that's lived up to expectations. I think Jonathan Jones was
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: a big story when we were in training camp. Where's
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: he gonna how's he gonna do? What he'd be like
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: on the outside. I think he's been okay, it's been
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: pretty good. I've been fantastic. Yeah. Yeah, Jack Jones has
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: played well, that's a great thing. You know, the safeties
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: have played well. Obviously, Judean is in the conversation for
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: defensive player of the Year. I mean, so the defense,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: you gotta be happy with it right now. I do,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and I mean I would just a couple issues. Russian
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks continue to kind of be a problem. Haven't really
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: adjusted to those yet. We'll see what happens with with
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Alan I mean, and I also just say, you haven't
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: really faced the tough receivers yet. So as far as
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the secondary, they've been good. But you know, now it's
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: now we're talking Minnesota, we're talking you know, Buffalo obviously.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I mean even Cardinals with with Hopkins make fun of me.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: This guy maybe jam Our Chase. We don't know, but yeah,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I mean they haven't had I mean, what do you
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: mean you don't know? You know he's not playing in
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: that game. I refuse to believe it. Speaking of Alan,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I guess the test he has a sprain ligament and yeah,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: U that's the Tommy John So he'll be fine. He'll
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: be fine. Maybe he'll be better, he's got to play
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: through it. The secondary, that'll get better as the season goes.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: The outside corners, like Mike is talking about not facing
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the elite receivers yet that that does worry me a
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: little bit. Um. Their pass rush package is phenomenal. I
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: mean it is so much fun to watch. That's difference.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I think I was talking to my my brother about So
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I actually had a long conversation with Rich about this.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Freddy and um, he was like, yeah, but do you
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: really think I'm like, I don't know, Like every game
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: they get immense pressure on the quarterback like that to
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: me is right. It is classic, you know, five oh
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: rush package? Right, five guys across the line of scrimmage,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: who's rushing, who's rapping, who's stunting, who's like it's just
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: like chaos. What do you think? I don't want to
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: make much of it, but I just I thought it
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: was interesting jude On saying that um that that Cha
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: is the one that calls the stunts up front. I
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: thought that was so some of their stunts are post
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: nap like recognition based off of the way the offensive
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: line slides right. So if the center slides left, a
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: center slides right, then they wrap opposite of the slide,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: which really stresses the pressure. But they they have an
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: awesome thing going there with you know, Judean Ucha um
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Barbo's not even playing right and they're and they're getting
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to the quarterback all the time. And I would also
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: add what gives me hope against quarterbacks like like Alan
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: or Kyler is that mac Wilson is essentially a spy.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Like he's essentially a spy. It's not always exactly where
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: you would expect a spy to be. But he tweeted
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: out last night like you know, uh, just kind of
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: like ch and Judeo, yeah, yeah, just uh, I got
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you guys, And that and then he's like six sacks later,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you know, like that that's what That's what they're doing
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: is they have now a guy in mac Wilson who
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: is athletic enough to run with some of these guys
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: like Ellinger could have taken off a few times yet
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: on Sunday, but he didn't because mack Wilson was standing
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: there waiting for him. This is where I'm going to
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: go to U site. It worked on Sam Ellen, it
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: didn't work on Lamar Jackson. Well maybe they had. Maybe
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: that's that's what he's been doing. Mack Wilson got benched
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: in the Baltimore game. He got bench in the Baltimore
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: game because of the read option stuff he could. I
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: think design quarterback round and scramble are two different things totally,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: And I haven't seen mac Wilson be effective against running
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks now. Design't seen him design quarterback around anybody design
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: quarterback rounds. He had issues with play recognition, and I like,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I like reading things and right right, so that that's
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that's one issue. But when they get into their four
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: or five man rushes on third down and he's just
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: spying the quarterback in the pocket, he is I think
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: forcing the quarterback to stay in, which is ultimately the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: goal of when you have a spy or something of
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: that nature, and he's allowing Josh Jay and Jude On
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: the tee off. I think the biggest problem that they've
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: always had against mobile quarterbacks is they get caught in
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: this middle ground of are we rushing or are we containing,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: and there's no there's no effectiveness to either, So instead
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: you're not doing either thing right, like you're not giving
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent to either thing, and it's not working.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: So when you're containing, there's no pressure on the quarterback
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and Josh Allen's just standing there for five seconds with
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: all day to throw, and then when you're rushing, you're
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: letting him out of the pocket. So my thing has
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: always been I think the best their best way of
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: stopping mobile quarterbacks is to let jude On and Uja
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: and bar more tea off and spy the quarterback with
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: somebody that's athletic enough to keep up, like a mac Wilson,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: like a Kyle Dugger or somebody of that nature. So
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: if that's the route that they're going in, then I'm
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: all four, because you can't just let a guy like
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen just sit there right, like, you gotta get
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: some pressure on him. So I I would much rather
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: that than the Star Wars trash compactor strategy of like
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: trying to I would say, at the very least, you
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: need to do it differently. So if that's if that's
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the different way, Like I don't have any confidence whatsoever.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: And Mac Wilson, Josh Allen, mack Wilson, Kyler Murray, Mac
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you want it? Tell me Kyle Dugger. I have some
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: confidence in that. I think he's an exceptional tackler. And
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I think that that's where you get having guys like
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Adrian Phillips and Jabril Peppers to maybe take Dawson Knox
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: on some of these occasions and not have to have
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger just cover the tight end all the time.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I think that that's where you really have that advantage
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: of having the depth at safety. Like last night, I'm
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: sitting there thinking, all right, well, when they play Buffalo,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: because I'm watching the Bill's Jets game from last week,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking when they play Buffalo, like how many
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: dbs can they get on the field at once? Like
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: how many is too many? Like can they play Dollar?
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Can they play seven defensive backs against Buffalo because Jabil
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Peppers and Dugger and Phillips are not your average safeties.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Like those guys play the run better than some of
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: their linebackers play the run. So if we can have
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: all these guys on the field, like, can we can
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: we go for safety? Dime? Can we play seven defensive backs?
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Like how many can we get on the field at once?
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Can we get all four guys Phillips, Dugger, Peppers, Devin
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: mccordy all on the field at once against Buffalo and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: be okay against their receivers, Like that's the biggest thing
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: to me because there's gonna be a third receiver that's
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: gonna be covered by a safety. So can you get
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: away with doing that or not? Is going to be
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: sort of the chess match in the game within the game.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: But if you have Jalen Mills on one side and
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones on the other side, and you're bracketing digs
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: and you guy all this speed on the middle of
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: the field at safety, I think that there's a chance
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: that you could hold up and when you rush the quarterback,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: go for the arm. Get Yeah, the UCLA UCLA is
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: that what I just pulled the fread there the UCLA UCLA.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I think we both. I think we all out. I
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: just think I'll be playing in that game. I think
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: they got some options this year that they didn't have
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: the last couple of years. I mean, you know, no
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: matter how you feel about it, like just having a
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: guy like Wilson McMillan, having healthy Kyle Dugger, having preppers.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how they're gonna put all together,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: but I just think they have some options to play
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: with it maybe didn't have the last couple of years.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: A little bit all right, Five five Pats five hundred
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: is the a ticket outline. Web radio at Patriots dot
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: com is the email address. Let's turn to the phones.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Go to Christian in LA. What's up Christian? Hey you guys, Good,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: good morning, good afternoon, Hello, football week going the right.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: So here we are at the Boy and I am
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: feeling I guess like everybody else is feeling a little
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: half and half right, five and board. Not a bad record.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: We lost a game or two we probably should have won,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: and we won a game or say we probably should
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: have lost. So I think it's a net neutral with
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: where we are. My question for you guys this morning
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: is can we do mid mid season grade on our acquisition? Acquisitions?
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: And for those people that we think about think of
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: as our star Wars, where do you guys see us
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: going for the rest of the season. Are playoff or
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: just just missing the playoffs? Okay, so I mean acquisitions.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: It's really DeVante Parker, right he was an acquisition and
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: I mean give him a CE at best. Right now?
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: How many was he on? How many of the ten
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: plays in that video did he make? We were just laughing.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: We watched that the NFL released the top ten plays
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: of the Patriots season, and we're like, oh, I don't
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: remember this, and I don't know six of them were
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: like guy in between two people like coming down with it.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, what does he have for catches
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: in the season. I guess fifteen or sixteen, because like
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: seemingly every one of them was, you know, a good catch,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: like in between two. That's what happened to fifteen receptions.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: So like, see, that's what he does. He's a contested
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: catch guy. He's got one talent and at this point,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: you know, early on in his career he did some
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: other things. Fifteen out of twenty eight he hasn't exceeded
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: what he usually does, so he gets he's average. I
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: gotta be on They kind of missed him in this
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: last game a little bit because they just didn't really
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: get much at a Kendrick born in taekwon in this game.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, like I'm not saying that that
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: DeVante Parker would have made this huge difference, but I
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: do wonder if you know, the outside guys knowing that
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: he can win fifty fifty balls down the field, if
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: they just linger on them a little bit longer than
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: some of these other guys that are speed guys where
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: it's like if they don't get open at the route
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: at the release, Like I don't have to worry about it, right,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Like I know that the ball is not coming over here.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know even if I've got him covered the Parker,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: it still might come anyway. I gotta be ready to
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: turn and get the ball out. What else I mean?
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Do you account the rookies as acquisitions? Um? You know,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: and right now the top two not so hot? Yeah,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: kind of disappointing, yeah you know, yeah, um, but the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Jones Boys, the Jones Boys table, yeah, which you know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Jack and Marcus Jones. We're dominating the offensive or rookie
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: of the first half. But Marcus Jones coming on. I mean,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I know Paul Paul wrote him. I mean I just
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I figured I was the only one. Now I went
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: with him too, Yeah, yeah, I mean I just need
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the impact on special teams, you know. I mean and
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: even when you I mean I did a little rite
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: up today just kind of going through reach rookie. I mean,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: you know, he's up near the top of the league
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: now kickoff returns and punt returns. He's got four twenty
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: plus ters. I mean, he's making plays. I'm not unbiased
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: though I've been in love with him since you have
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: day one, well, the draft prize. I loved him coming out,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: and I was psyched that we took him. And I
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: probably gave him a little bit because I wanted, you know,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: like that when you find like I have so many
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: misses in the draft, I finally seem like I hit one. Yeah,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm just waiting for them for him to
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: take over for Miles Bryant in the slot like that
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: was still going to point that out too, I mean, yeah,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: that's coming. Now. The question is is would you rather
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: him take over for Miles Brian in the slot and
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: have Mills and John Jones on the outside with Marcus
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Jones in the slot, or would you rather Jack Jones
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: push John Jones back into the slot? Right? Either way, Yeah,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: no offense to Miles Brian, but they're especially in man coverage,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: they're a much better team without Miles Brian on the
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: field and man coverage, So they love them some Miles Bryan.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: He's a smart player, and the things that they're doing
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: on first and second down with some of the coverage rotations,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: his ability to play in different spots does really help
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: them spin the dial on quarterbacks. But when you get
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: into third down and it's third and six and you
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: want to play man coverage, they have better man coverage
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: guys now than Miles Brian in the slot, and eventually
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: he's going to get replaced in there. Let's go to
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Tyler and Maryland. What's up, Tyler? What's going on? Number one?
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: How are you all good? Good? So I was just curious.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I know you're this show especially doesn't do it, but
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I know it's a lot of Boston media. Well you
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: use Mats Patricia's like the scapegoat for Matt Jones. I
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: just wonder how long is that going to be or
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: you think it's going to be as long as Matt
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Patricia's a coordinator, it should be. It is Matt Patricia's Like,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I don't say fault, but like Matt, this is Matt
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Patricia's doing, and I don't know why, like we have
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: to you know, it's not making excuses that Mac Jones
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: is playing poor. We are saying he is playing poorly,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: but he's playing poorly because of the results of the
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: things that are going on around him more than anything.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: And with Matt Patricia, Like I'll just give you an example.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: They come out against the Colts. You have the fifth
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: ranked rush defense in the league, and their first four
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: first downs are under center, running plays right into the
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: teeth of the Colts defense, like right into DeForrest Buckner
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: and Grover Stewart the very first play of the game.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: But do you think that those first those first plays
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: set up the play to Smith later, like because of that,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: because we did ten plays first is to set up
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: one twenty yard game. But but also you could be
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: more conservative against the Colts. You could take your time,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: make sure that you establish the fact that you want
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: to run to set up the play action, Like I
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. I don't buy that. Like
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: if you have better plays, you call better plays. Like
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: the very first play the game, they line up DeForest
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Buckner's in the three technique over your rookie guard and
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you try to pass DeForrest Buckner from Cole Strange to
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: James Ferian's your backup center, and he blows it up
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: for a negative two yard loss. Like, but that's that's
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: also part of the equation is like you know, and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: you know, thanks for the call teller, you know that
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: your offensive line is gonna get beat this game, that
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: we're just not right there, We're not We're gonna get beat.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna like start the game off by
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: having my quarterback get sacked on first down because you
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: know I want to pass early. So so the answer
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: is to run against an eight man box. Well, no,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: but it's established the fact that I'm not afraid to
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: run at you, and so that when I do go
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: to play action, it's you know, it's bought. I just
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: think there's a lot of different ways to to run
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: the football. And when you know that, you have a
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: serious disadvantage against the Colts front lining up under center
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: and trying to get your rookie guard and your backup
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: center to pass off their best player on an outside
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: zone play. On the first play of the game, they
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: got what's second and twelve. I have a bigger problem
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: with that than that they ran the ball like they
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: continue to go back to these plays and now you
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: have two guys missing out of your offensive line that
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: was already sort of shaky. You take Andrews out of there,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and you're asking these guys that are filling in to
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I think there's some timing and involved and I'm not
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: like to tell you all the time. I'm no expert
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: on this stuff, but I think there's some intricacies to
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: the blocking schemes and some of these plays that they're
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: trying to run, and I think to ask these Yadnika
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: just in Isaiah Wynn ended up being at left guard.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: He hasn't really played guard at all, And you're asking
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: these guys to do these things that I think is
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: asking too much. I don't that's not the only thing,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: and like to answer the question, my opinion is, yeah,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: this is going to be the case all year for
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Patricia but then that's it. Like then it's up to
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Mac to figure out how to get better and how
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: to do this is I just don't like what do
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: you want? Like, I just don't know what we want
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Mac to do to salvage this all on his own,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: because for like to go back to running the football
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: all right later on in the game. I'll give them
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: some credit. They finally adjusted and started running the ball
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: out of shotgun, and they had and they got some
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: successful runs. I think one of the better scheme wrinkles
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: that they've had is taking the tight end from an
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: inline position and motioning Johnny Smith into the backfield and
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: then basically using him as a full back to lead
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: run gap and lead through the middle of the line
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Okay, so now you got a six man
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: box because you've spread the field, so your offensive line
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: that has a bunch of holes in it is not
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: trying to block, you know, a gap down, and you're
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: able to actually get hat on a hat and and
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: break off some big runs like we can go. I
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: won't go on the RPO rant yet, but like these
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: types of players that spread the field and lightened the box,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: that's how you run the football. With a bad offensive line.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: You don't try to get a bad offensive line to
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: block a man down like that's just asking for trouble.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: If you can empty the box a little bit with
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: these spread formations and then run the football, then you're fine.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: And they're averaging five yards to carry out of the gun,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: but yet they run the ball under center all the time.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: So I just don't really understand that. I mean, can
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: you just ask Mac to make the plays that are there?
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: And that's all I'm saying. You know, I'm not making
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: him the number one villain. I think I want to
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: say it's if I want to say it's Belichick's fault,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: say it's Belichick's fault. But Mac needs to play better.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: And at some point it's not going to just be
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: a like. I don't know, I just see. I don't
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: think there's a lot of great coaching in the league.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: I don't see you know, every other team that that succeeds,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: why do they succeed? They overcome the coaching. I just
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: think that if you I would like Mac to see
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: the field better too, and I wrote that this week
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: and after further review, But if you want him to
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: see the field better, you have to go back to
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: like how we got to this point, because if let's
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: just say that the reason why mac Jones wasn't succeeding
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: was because he was having issues pushing the football down
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the field, right, Like he just doesn't have the arm
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: strength to push the football down the field. Well, then
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: you would say, okay, well that was the concern coming
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: in that he doesn't have great arm talent, that he's
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: not a Josh Allen or a Justin Herbert, but he's
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: regressing in areas that were supposed to be strength of
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: his game, right, mental processing, accuracy, like these are supposed
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: to be things that he's good at. So he didn't
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden go from good at it as
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: a rookie good at it at Alabama to not good
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: at it all because he of his own doing, right.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: So I just if they were things that were going
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: wrong with mac Jones that were okay, this is just
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: his limitations as a quarterback, like some of the things
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: that came up last year where they're just not really
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: an explosive down the field offense because they just don't
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: really have that quarterback. And I would say, okay, well
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: that's that's sort of who you got right. But if
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: all these things are regressing, that are things that he
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: was good at is good at. Like Bill Belichick coming
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: out and saying, I actually think it's a strength of
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: his how he reads the field, but he's it's not.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: It's he's not well, like performing said, Like you know,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: if you say, you look at the tape and he
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: drops back, sets his back foot and receivers have their
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: back to him, I mean, that's all timing. It's either
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: mac that was supposed to be a seven yard drop
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: and he only did it in five, or the receivers
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: didn't cut their route at the right depth. You know,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: that's a whole that's a timing thing between him and
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: his receiver. You know, if he's ready to pass and
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: no one's looking at him, or no one's at their
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: break yet. I mean, this is all about Patricia, which
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: you know how I feel about this. I you know
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: you we argued about it all offseason. Yeah, I didn't
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: understand the move. I didn't see it working and it hasn't.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: But if if this is it is, then we're screwed. Yeah,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: because I guess it ain't going anywhere. He's not. Bill's
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: not going to get rid of Matt Patricia. Yeah, but
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: maybe he gets better, you know, like, yeah, likes he's
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: never done what he's doing, and the only way you
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: get better is to do it, you know. I Mean
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: for me, it's it's more a concern of that how
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: much does Mac need everything to be right? You know?
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: And that's more than all this stuff we're talking about.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: It's just it feels like to a lot of quarterbacks
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: get broken like this, you know, and in year two, like,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think every quarterback's got to deal
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: with pressure. I think every quarterback is going to have
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: to deal with games where hey, we're sorry, we had
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: guys in your face the whole time. But quarterbacks out
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: there find ways to win. I think if you talk
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: to like the quarter like if you went back into
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the study and did like a big feature story in
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: the last five years and taking all the quarterbacks that
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: that played a significant amount and the ones that worked
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: and didn't work, you'd probably find a lot of these
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: different things. So once that didn't work, like a Baker
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Mayfield right came in as a rookie, had some success,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: made some plays, and then sort of regress. It's basically
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: the same thing, right, is that because everything around him
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: fell apart, or because he just wasn't that good, and
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: they sort of found out some of the things that
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: he did well and started taking some of those things away.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Because I got to tell you some of the things
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: that I've seen from mac Jones, and I'd agree with Evan,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: this is a regression that I wasn't expecting. You know
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: that I'm not the biggest Mac Jones guy, but I
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: thought that he was past some of the things that
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: we've seen, like in the last couple of games, right,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: So I think Evan's right, he's regressed to some of
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: the things that he did last year. But I think
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: the performance isn't as far away from the last part
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: of last year as people remember. I think people remember
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: last year it was all you know, un coons and
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: show ponies. It was great, and down the stretch it
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: wasn't great, and he wasn't great, And I think some
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: of that was teams watched them for twelve thirteen weeks
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: and said, Okay, if we can do A B and C,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: we can slow him down a little bit. I think
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: he's been worse. I agree with Evan. I think he's
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: been worse than even that. But I think this was
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: a regression. That's thought it last year and everybody kind
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: of ignored it as the rookie wall. He just sort
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: of needed to overcome that. I don't know how, I
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: don't I don't know. Bottom line is I'm not ready
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: to give up on him because I think, yeah, the
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: point about the offensive coaching situation is impossible to get past.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Then That's what I'm thinking about right now, And like
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: listening to Evan and it's like, can they get past
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: this this year? Next year? I mean, I think you're right, Paul,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna get I mean, but if
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: they haven't done it now, I mean you've heard people
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: who do this saying these things or low sky, But
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: are I mean people you know, us, people who watch this,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: like we're all kind of saying the same things, Like
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: they have to know that too, Like they're smart football guys,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: like they're not, Like, well, I mean, I'm sure they
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: know all of this. I just don't know what the
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: answer is. Like it's so unraveled at this point that
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: you don't even really know where what's strength to grab
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: to start to like weave things back together again. And
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I think it's a great question if
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: they're going to be able to find anything anything new,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: because it hasn't. They haven't yet, And we've been saying
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of the same stuff for right, And I
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: think at first you will automatically say because I'm with
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Evan in terms of you know, I've always been a
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: quarterback apologist, and I do think there's a lot of
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: different things at work. But I always I make fun
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: of myself. I used to do this for Drew all
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: the time, you know, like if they just had a
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: defense and they just you know, they can't run the
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: ball at all, but all of a sudden, you see
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: it done a different way and it looks a lot better,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I guess it wasn't just that.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: But to Mike's point about does Mac need all of
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: these things to look good, yes, okay. And I think
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: that we can come to terms with the fact, as
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: a fan base, as a media, or whatever, that Mac
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Jones is not Patrick mahomes right, Like, he's not gonna
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: just trade Tyree hill away and still have the number
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: one ranked offense in the league because the quarterback is
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: so darned good. He is not that player. So in
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: order for him to succeed in the NFL, he does
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: have to have a good situation around him. He does
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: have to have good receivers, he does have to have
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: good offensive coordinator, he does have to have good play design.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: And there's not necessarily an issue with that because I
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: think the Patriots and I actually think the Colts not
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: to excuse their decisions as a front office so for
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the past couple of years or in a similar spot
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: where their team is too good to be picking in
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: the top five, where you can get your hands on
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: a Justin Fields or you can get your hands on
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: a Trevor Lawrence. They're not that bad, right, So the
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Patriots are never going to be picking in the top
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: five where they're going to draft CJ. Strout or they're
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: gonna draft Bryce Young, or they're gonna draft one of
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: these great quarterbacks from the college game. So you are
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: going to have to succeed with a Mac Jones, with
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: a Jimmy Garoppolo, with somebody of this ILK unless you
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: go out there make some ridiculous trade for Aaron Rodgers
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: or something like that, like this is what you're dealt with.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: So in order to for me to like give up
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: on mac Jones. I need to actually see them put
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: him in an optimal situation making their offensive coordinator or
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: a play call or whatever you want to call him.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia not only does that is that not great?
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: But then having him also run the offensive line at
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: the same time and watch the line does fall apart
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: as well? That that is really watch. Then Billy benefited
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: from really zappy out there, was that the line was
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: kind of holding itself together, and yeah, or the schemes
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: that they're running. You know, I always talk about the
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: RPOs and I'm gonna go on the rant at some point.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: All they've done with the RPOs right now is run
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: bubble screens off of them. That's all they do. And
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: mac Jones has thrown five passes off RPOs for three
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: point nine yards per temp. Because you're just not going
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: to generate big plays off of bubble screens, Like, yeah,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: it's nice that it's out there and it's a little
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: bit of an eye candy or a threat to the defense,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: but it's not to generate ten fifteen twenty yard gains.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Can we can we put a slant on it? Like
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: can we can we can we run a route? Even
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not asking them to run like what Miami does,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: which is you know, sending to Tyreek kill on on
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: forty yard vertical rats off of RPOs because he's so
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: ridiculously fast. But like, can I get a slant, Like
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: can we just have a slant on the backside of
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: an RPO, because then maybe you hit Taekwon, or you
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: hit Kendrick Bourne, or you hit Jacobe Myers in stride
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's a fifteen twenty yard
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: gain off an RPO instead of a four yard gain
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: off an RPO. But they haven't even gotten to that
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: point yet, and maybe in practice it looks bad, so
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: they haven't called it in games yet. But after the buy,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: they have to get to the point where this RPO
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: package is expanded upon and some of the things that
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: they do do well are expanded upon, because right now
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: it's just zero. And that's the that's the why I
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: come to mac Jones's defense because at al Bama, I
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: know what's going on at this since I left Fred.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: But this is not the kind of the two of
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: them that it's frustrating because I got I go and
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I every week, you know, I watched the tape of
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: the Patriots next opponent. So on Monday, I watched the
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: Patriots tape. On Tuesday, I watched the game that they're
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: playing next. So I watched Jets Bills, and I'm watching
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Jets Bills and it's not Miami, it's not Baltimore, it's
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: not Philly, where there's like seventeen things going on on
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: every single play because they have the mobile quarterback and
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: they can add that run element to it and all,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: but it's they have plays in their playbook, even the Jets,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: that make things easy for the quarterback. And Mac Jones
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: is the type of quarterback that needs to have things
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: be made easier for him, and right now everything is
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: harder for him and he does not have the physical
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: talent to overcome that. Right The one thing I would
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: say that might change, I said that I don't think
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: they'll you know, Patricia is not going anywhere I could
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: see them. You know, whether it's whether it's Billy Yates,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: someone will be the offensive line. Take that off his plate,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: and take that off his plate. If he's going to
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: be the offensive coordinator, let him just be the offensive coordinator.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: And enough with the nonsense. If we can't have a
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: title to get done. Let's go to Melvin in Tennessee.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Hey Melvin, Hey right, Hey, my typical sort of question.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: But who do you think Bill Belichick will stay was
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: harder to defend necessarily? Would be Peyton Manning or not
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: saying this guy neck guys, Hey Manning, but hey Manning
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: or Josh Allen Peyton Allen has his ability to I
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's still so funny that we're guessing this
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: much to try to defend this guy and find the
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Bill just say, hey, look, we have a hard time
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: defending you know, marble Port. The base seems like they
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: did pretty well against Peyton Manning. Paul defensive wise, did that? Yeah?
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: I think I think he would tell you that Peyton
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Manning was harder than defending Yeah. I don't know. I
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I think Peyton Manning is certainly
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: like the brain. I think Bill would really respect that.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: But I also think the offense probably for them, it
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: is what it is. Like. I mean not saying that
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: that's easy, but it is what it is. With Wayne
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: and Harrison, and much like Josh Allen, he needed the
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: weather to shut down man. But you have the element
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: with running two and I think you know that's it's
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: it's more and more of a modern offense. I don't know.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: I probably would ste talking about is he's Peyton Manning
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: and Peyton man Hall of Fame. I think they are
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: different challenges. I think that Peyton is a great example though,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: because Peyton and the Colts and Bill gave a great
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: answer about this a couple of years ago. They just
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: did what they did. They lined up an eleven personnel,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: three wide receiver the same formation on like ninety five
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: percent of their plays. But they had two things. They
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: had great receivers, and they had Peyton who would get
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: them into the right play at the line of scrimmage, right,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: So that was I think he respects that. Yeah, maybe,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, but I think that's what he You know
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: with Peyton Manning, right, he's a big guy that runs
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: with the ball, Josh Allen. I mean, you're a big guy.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: You're run with the ball. You're tough to don't think,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: you know. But the things that what I think that
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: they'll think him Allen. The thing with Peyton though, is
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: is like they are the Patriots offense right now looks
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: like those Colts offenses, but they don't have Peyton Manning
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: and Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and Brandon Stokely and
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: you know, like they don't have all these kinds, right,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: So they don't have all these individual talents. So if
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be a simple offense, then you need to
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: just be better than the guys that you're lining up
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: across from. And the Patriots just don't have personnel that
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: is better than most teams and most defenses, and yet
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: they're asking them to just like go win in one
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: on one matchups all across the field, and it's like, well,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: this is not gonna work, you know. So it's I
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: think that he would say that that he'd have too
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: much respect for Peyton to say somebody like Josh Allen,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: who hasn't won anything yet, is is better than Santa Cruz.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: What's up, Matt? Oh hey it's Natt. Yeah, no worries. Hey, Heyton, Mike. Yeah,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: because I wrote in last week after you ranted about
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Mac like faking injuries trying to get flagged. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: did you notice he did it again from the sly
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: and on the five or the six yard line? That
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: wasn't I didn't that one. I means kind of the
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: guy kind of like pushed him after his arm in
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: the ground. That one didn't bug me as much. But
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: but I mean I did I did catch it. I didn't.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't see anything in this game that that set
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: me off, like like those ones where I just my
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: thing is, just don't fake injury, Like don't fake a concussion.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: At this day and age, you're gonna get pulled from
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: the game. Like don't all of a sudden pretend like
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: I'm knocked out for a minute, middle asecond and then
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: pop up with like an extra spring in your step,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: like just kidding him, Fine, like that's the stuff that
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: you know. It's just I think you could cost the team.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: We've been doing that careful what you wish for, right Yeah, yeah, no,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I totally agree. And I've been thinking about this, like
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: why this that be uh mac thing has been so
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: hot in everyone's mind, and I realized, like I agree
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: with Evan. Evan, you're like the best in the business
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: on actors, and the best I've heard on Patriots, and
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: maybe one of the best in the in the entire
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: business way too find thank you. That's why I asked
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: him if he wanted to be a coach. He laughed
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: at it, so I believe you that it's not all
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Max's fault. And I just realized, like, oh, I think
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I just don't like rooting for this guy. And I
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: know that sounds bad, but like I almost would rather
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: team with Bailey's Zappy than have the team we have
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: with Mac Jones. And I know that's not data as
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: a Patriots fan, but it's just like the way my
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: heart feels about reading for this guy. Heart wants what
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: the heart wants. Well, let's interesting. I don't think he's alone. Yeah,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: it's gonna say, I think others share that sentiment. Yeah,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: it's interesting. Thanks Matt. All right, Paul's foods here, so
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: everybody else's foods. We're gonna take a quick break. We
• 1:01:53
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• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: you know the stats, I mean, he's completing seventy one
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: point three percent of his practice pass Max only in
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: sixty eight perc competitive portion of practice. You in the
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: back when exactly was that? You know, when they were
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: the competitive they were doing the walkthrough seven on seven,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: that was that was fairly competitive. George and Madison. New
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Jersey writes in I was speaking to someone on the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: phone at work and said, to your point during the conversation,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: this is curious since I never say that I quickly
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: realized that your show was the source. You guys and
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: gals say that phrase several times every show. I'm not
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: sure or how to your point became the new curious,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: but to your point, to your point is a nice phrase. Anyway,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: I love the show. If I had to say something
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: positive about you guys, would have to be Paul as
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: always the first man in in, the last man out
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: of his house, Fred is a leader of men in
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Bridgestone tires, and Deuce is a great teammate with a
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: medium football like you. There you go. I like that. Wow,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: sounds about right, sounds about right. I'll take medium, Take medium, Okay.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, I noticed when I first
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: started doing the show. I don't want to give Paul
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: all the credit, but I thought that's one of his
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: things that he does that I think is um it's
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: a good thing for the radio show. I think it
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: makes people feel included and that you're listening to their
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: points and you know that you're addressing them. So I
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: think it's a It is a nice thing. Yeah, and
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: it's probably a verbal crutch like anything else, but it's
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: just another way of saying, you know, Like Mike said,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: or you know, when Evan was talking or you know,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: like Alexiga, Yeah, you know to that point to that,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, I just remember as an acknowledgement. Yeah,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: and as I just remember as a new guy on
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: the show, not really know what the hell I was doing,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: you know, just it was nice to be like, oh,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: someone is listening to me, and you know it thinks
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: I'm making points. So thanks Paul. Cool and in all
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: seriousness that that is why I do it, because we've
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: had Fred and I have had a lot of turnover
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: over the last two years. Right, We've had a lot
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: of new people on the show. We you know, we
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: went fifteen years with Fred, Paul, Andy and Eric. Yeah,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: and it was the same four bozos every day. We
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: didn't have to worry about, well, someone's going to get
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: offended by that, or you know if I you know,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: are they gonna get mad because I dismissed their point?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: You know, right, you want you want to encourage them
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: to particip The answer to that question was Andy, Fred, Paul, never,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Eric always. But when you have new people in new personalities,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: you sort of get to know the Antoine and Montreal.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: I was wondering having only watched the game Sunday. Did
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Max seem scared or answy to you guys? Also, I'm
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: not basing myself on any numbers, only my eyes. At times,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: he seemed like a kid playing backyard football and panicking
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: when the rush gets to him too quickly. When did
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: this start happening? I don't remember him playing like that
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: last year. I never panted him backyard football. I just
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: kind of, you know, I just kind of played. I
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: don't look the same as it looked. I don't There's nothing.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Nothing stood out to me. Didn't look comfortable. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's but I don't think early a fear.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's scared, but but he's getting a little.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: I think the rush is getting to him. He's getting
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: hit more. And I just wonder, you know that that
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: whole cliche about Alabama, like how many times he legitimately
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: had to deal with consistent pressure. I know, and you
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: know last year the offensive line was better. He had
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: more pressure than he did at Alabama last year. But
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: this has been a different and he can wait for
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: the guy to come open because he was gonna come
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: open eventually, right, and well, he didn't have to like
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: he generally didn't have to wait. That's the whole point it,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: because those guys were always wide open, you know. And
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: remember back in the spring where we were talking about
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: some of those like Tray, remember Trey Nixon catching. Do
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: you go out to ts Alex Remember like Train Nixon
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: coup Like one of these days in May was like, yeah,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: catching these thirty five yard like deep crossing routes. And
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: you would think it to yourself, that doesn't really seem
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: like a play that would be conducive to an NFL
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: game that took forever to develop. That's kind of what
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: you see it. Yeah, what's something you know to Evan's
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: point about you see that to Evan's point about the
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: about you know, the structure of the offense and the
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: concepts and schemes and whatnot with Patricia like it works
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: on paper, but it doesn't work in practice. Well, I
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: remember you saying to me at the time, Paul that
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: it felt kind of demonstrative of like you've got We've
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: been hearing about how Matt can't throw the ball down
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: the field all year and what do you do. You
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: come out the first day and everybody's on the train
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Nixon hype train. But I think to your point, Paul,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: and to the point yesterday, we made it. Look this
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: is the same stuff now, Like it's the same things
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: going on in the regular season as those where you're
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: trying to like prove a point and get the ball
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: down the field at the you know, at the risk
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: of getting the plays blown up, of getting the quarterback sacked.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: It's like Greg you know, wrote that yesterday, he did
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: the few good men line. It's didn't between paper law
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: and trial law, and that's what. Yeah, you can draw
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: it up and it's going to get this guy open.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: And we remember those plays, and I think John O.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Smith had a couple of them too. But you looked
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: at it, You're like, there was a reason why mac
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Jones's numbers in the spring and then in training camp
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: was so much better seven on seven than they were
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: eleven on eleven, Because what's what's happening in eleven on
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: eleven that's not happening in seven on seven? Fred Rush Russia,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: you know, and these routes that are taken forever to
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: come open, you know, like that that throw that was
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: at like um Taekwon Thornton shins. Yeah, I saw Greg
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: wrote a whole thing like that was all on Thornton,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Like he's just he's not. The route was wrong, he
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't where he's supposed to be, and the timing was
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: all off and he's got to throw the ball. And listen.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not telling you the x is knows, because I've
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: told you many times unequivocally, I don't care. All I'm
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: telling you is when I watch, it's not productive. The
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: quarterback is part of that, in the scheme is part
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: of that. And I think it's across the board. It's widespread.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: Very rarely do you see an offense that really can't
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: do anything well. In the last couple of weeks the
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: offense hasn't been able to do anything well. Yeah, I
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: strently see object to it. Antoine also has how it
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: works Antoine Law School, um all eras of Patriots Football.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: My first career touchdown catch was to force overtime against
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: the Colts. First career touchdown catch against the overtime against
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: the Colts overtime two. I didn't play football until my
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: senior year Coats. Ben Coates is correct. Wow, I don't
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: remember the overtime game against the Colts next or something.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: I only played two full seasons in my career. I
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: only played two full seasons in my career. I scored
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: twelve rushing touchdowns in nineteen seventy six. Wait a minute,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: seventies running back. Wait a minute, he only played two
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: full seasons, full full seasons without being injured. I guess
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: at some fourteen and twelve. You that's what he means. Oh,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: so this could be anybody scored twelve rushing touchdowns in
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: seventy six. I was the first Patriots quarterback to throw
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: a touchdown in a Super Bowl. Steve Grogan, he only
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: played the full season twice. That's what Antoine says. See
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: when you said twelve rushing touchdowns in seventy six, I
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: immediately said, that's Steve Grogan. But I couldn't imagine in
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen sense because he got hurt a lot. That
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: was kind of this thing. I went to cal You
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: call you. I scored an eighty three yard touchdown on Thanksgiving. Wow.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: I was instrumental in the Super Bowl against the Seahawks.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Cal you Seahawks eighty three yard touchdown? Why am I
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: not thinking of Shane Vereen? Oh, Paul's coming to Wait, No,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: that's not right no, I just I'm not thinking of
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: Shane Vereens having gone to cal for some reason that
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: I was thinking Tully Banta Caine or something. Didn't he go.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: My parents were my parents. My parents were school teachers.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: Parents were school too. Why you gave me the side
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: of I was? I was a PAC ten offensive player
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: of the year. My parents were school teachers. I got
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: an impressive comfort behind victory against the Vikings that changed
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: the course of that season. True, come on, Paul true
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: true true, wow, all right, last one? Wow. Yeah, that's pathetic.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: Love him? Oh I do heart heart true. Oh my god.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: I was signed after playing in the AFL and the UFL.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Nick no I made my debut in a forty one
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: thirty four loss to the forty nine Ers. No I
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: retired unexpectedly in twenty twenty due to neck injuries. James
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: James Devlin's correct, My right, all right, good, good one
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: ants one very good. I'll let even uh yeah, we
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: don't want to spoil from all right, it's all walked through. Um,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: let's go down. But but if David Andrews wasn't out there,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: that would be bad. Yeah, that's true. Let's go to
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: CJ and KC. What's up? Cj O? Hey, what's up? All? Hey?
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: A quick question, A quick idea. I guess if the
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: offense only like improved on the turnover, so not turning
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: the ball over at all, but you didn't really see
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: any other increase in bread zone production or scoring more touchdowns,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: it could Can the defense and the special team carry
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: this team into a playoff position? No, if that was
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: the only thing to change, No, that's not gonna be.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: That's not gonna Well, maybe you could get into the players,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: but you're gonna lose in the first round. I don't
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: think you're gonna beat those teams by scoring less than
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: twenty points. Yeah, I mean you might end up ten
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: and seven. Maybe it's good enough to beat the jail.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Last week we scored twenty, twenty six,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: twenty nine, whatever, it was. Well, the offense did, yeah,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: but the offense, the offense didn't. Yeah, the offense scored twelve, right,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: that's right. That's what I'm saying, though, is that the
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: offense doesn't happen score more if the defense and the
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: special continue to Well, if you're gonna play the Colts
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: every week, okay, okay, So if you're if you're saying
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: that you're gonna get fourteen points on defense and special
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: teams every week, Yes, you can make the playoffs. Yes,
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: I would agree. And we don't turn the ball over
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: and you don't know, you can turn the ball over too.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: As long as you're gonna get fourteen free points every game,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: you can win. Yeah. Yeah, but that's not how we
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: want to win, is it, c J. We want to
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: not at all. Yeah. I'm saying, like, how far because
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, you know, and the offense really turns
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: us around. It becomes you know, maybe above that is
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: the average offense in the league or is it more
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: realistic of the defense and the special team carries us
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: into Yeah, you know, I'd love average. I'd love to
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: get to I know, thanks, c J. I think they
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: were a like, is there anything to say that after
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: the buy bill just says, listen, if we're playing the
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: way we're playing, we ain't going anywhere. So let's just
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: take the let's open it up, you know, Mac, don't
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: worry about throwing picks, don't worry about losing the game.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: Just just throw the ball. Throw the ball. What's that?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: Isn't that what they did? In the first three weeks
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: of the season. No, I don't think so. I don't
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think so, but maybe you know. I don't know.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: But Evan is back on that note and done. All right, Evan,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: what do we got? You want the good news with
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: the bad news? First? Bad news? I didn't know there
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: was bad Oh wow, okay, I thought you're gonna say
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: good news. To be honest, I want no Trent Brown,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Devon Godshaw or DeVante Parker at Patriots practice on Wednesday.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: There is the loan practice of the week for the
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: bye week, no injury report necessary, so we're not going
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: to know for Trent and god Shaw. Is there a
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: chance that this is just better and rest? It's possible.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. If you rest guys on the bye week.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: It's kind of built interest anyways. But yeah, right, so yeah,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: no Trent and no Devon Gta, No Davanta Parker. We
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: did see Davante Parker u in sweats. He was present
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: at practice, he just was not participating in practice. So
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: that's the bad news. Do you want the good news now? Um? Okay,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: David Andrews is back. Great, So David Andrews. David Andrews
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: so is Damien Harris from Star Wars but figures. But yes,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: David Andrews in uniform participating in drills back at practice. Uh,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: that is when you're in concussion protocol. Like it's it's
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: pretty binary, right, Like it's either you're cleared or you're
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: not cleared. Like there's no middle ground there. Um. So
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: if he's even working out, stretching and doing drills of
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: any kind, that signifies that he's cleared. All right, good news,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: that's right, that's good. I'm not gonna worry about I
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: think that and gotcha until next week. I'm gonna put
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: that on there. I think the good news is much
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: better than the bad news. Yeah, that's why I wanted
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: the good news first. No, I want to get the
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: bad news over with it. No, But I mean, like,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think My point is, I don't think the
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: bad news is all that bad because it's the one practice.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, Parker, why you know, he's coming off a
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: nice brain. Don't need to practice when you don't have
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: a game right right for a while. Yeah. So, but
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: David Andrews, if he if that's the only one I
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: would have been concerned about because a head injury if
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: he's not out there at practice, then he's not. Yeah,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: he's still not feeling up to it. So he was
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: out there. That's really good news. That should at least
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: settle some of the stuff. How was the mood of
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: the players, Evan normal? Normal? Yeah, I'm not buzzing because
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: they are going on holiday. No, the locker room today
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: will probably have a little bit of a like a
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: day last days, you know, before Christmas vacation type of Yeah,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: a feel too. Tomorrow. Yeah, I'm showing when I leave
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: the show tomorrow, you know. Yeah, I'm sure that that's
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: how that will have a you know, some sense of
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: that once the locker room opens later today. But no,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: I do think that the team recognizes as we were
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: talking about earlier before I went to practice, I'm sure
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: what you guys were talking about now too. They got
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of work to do, you know, And it's
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: the one practice that they have to make some of
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: these adjustments and get back to some of the fundamentals
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: that that they were doing well or should be doing better.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: And uh, I think this was a little bit business
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: businessman like today. Okay, you didn't start yelling urpos or
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: anything like that. He has a sign. We talked to
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Matt Patricia on tomorrow. All right, assistant coaches are available tomorrow.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask them about our pos again.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: But the sign is not a bad idea. Maybe. Yeah,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: so Freddie, I have you know the thing with some
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: teams that I don't think are as good as their records,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: you know, the Jazz, this one in Minnesota is another one.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: You know. So this whole thing with Josh Allen and
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: he's day to day whatever. He might not play on Sunday?
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: Do you know it to be the fourth time that
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: they'd face a backup quarterback for the Vikings? Is that right?
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: The fourth? If case Keenom plays would be the fourth
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: backup they played? Wow? Wow, they're in nine games. That's
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: Patriots like right there? Yes, Sean and Hazelton says that
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: Antoine and Montreal is wrong. Wrong. Who's Antouana Montreal the
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: one who had the game? Oh? He says, um, the
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: gentleman who gave the trivia on Grogan is dead wrong.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: Groves played full seasons in seventy six, seventy seven, seventy
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: eight and seventy nine. Eighty was when he got hurt
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: with knees and didn't play the full season for the
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: rest of his career. Was that like when there were
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: fourteen pas and Paul be Better on the Drew trivia?
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Just an utter embarrassment Better I am absolutely worthy of
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: being called out on that. That's pathetic. I'm not gonna
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: lose any sleep over it, but but that was pathetic. Yeah,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: what the clues? Parents teachers? I didn't both parents were teachers.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't know his parents were teach I did I
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: know Mac was a coach. I'm his coach, Right, I
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: knew he was teacher. Then you should have gotten it.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: Then that's why I was giving you the side eye.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: Oh he wasn't. I mean he's not nine. He gave
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: me the side scoffed at it. He think, why are
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: you giving me the side one? Guy? Because you should
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: just a slam dunk? Uh? Greg is back at California.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: What's up? Greg? Hey? Greg? Hey? Guys? So, uh you
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: were saying, how you think this year so far has
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: been worse than the end of last year in terms
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: of max production? Right? Uh? No, I didn't say that.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: I think at the end of last year he had
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: fallen off as well the offense as a whole. But yeah,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: he was part of it. Yeah, okay, others even when
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: they were struggling, they still managed to sit up fifty
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: on the Jag. But they weren't struggling that game. They
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: struggled against better teams. Right. No, My My point is
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: last year, you have guys all pointed out whenever they
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: put up big points on bad defenses. It was kind
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: of obviously with an app Yeah, and well they could
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: quit not only but but hold on a second, if
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: we're gonna point and stick out our chess for putting
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: out fifty against Jacksonville. Not only it was a bad
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: team and a bad defense that had no coach? Twenty
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: how many four twenty four guys missed that game for
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: COVID something like that. I mean, can we call that
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: the outlier? Right? Because that was I mean, they were
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: thinking they'd have to bring guys off the street just
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: a man. You know. It was like, I agree with you.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: It was like fourteen points, twenty points, seventeen points, fifty points,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: you know, seventeen points, thirty point, like they were one
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: of these things didn't belong down the stretch, and it
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: was the Jags game. Like, I agree with you guys
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: that it was kind of a fraudulent fifty points my point,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: and knew about any defense they could play this year
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: that they could put upon because I don't. Yes, yes,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: if the Jets are missing twenty four players on Sunday,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: they could put fifty on the board. Yeah, Well besides that,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: I think, but that's what happened, I know. But his
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: greater question is is there a defense that they could
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: do that too? The going down? I mean earlier in
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: the season last year they put up fifty or forty
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: five on the Jets on the Jet and they were healthy.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: This is this is my point, Like, yes, it could happen,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: but it's not going to. I think that. The one
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: thing I would say about Mac in the second half
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: of the season, I just go back to that Week seventeen,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: a game against Miami. I mean, more downfield throws in
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: that game than he's made in any game besides the
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Baltimore game this year. Right, that's true. He made some
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: really good throws in that game. I know he had
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: to pick six and that was sort of the one
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: that stands out to everybody with that game for him.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: But you go back and watch that tape, I can
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: probably pull six, seven, eight, really good downfield throws from
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: that game against Miami, So I don't necessarily think that
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: it was this bad at the end of that is Greg,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: the first one of those happened. Greg, is your point
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: that last year down twenty to nothing or twenty seven
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: to nothing, because that's what he made all his plays
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: down the stretch of those, Greg, is your point that
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: last year's offense was better than this year's offense. Yeah,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: I would agree. I would agree with that them put
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: up fifty on a bad defense just to know they're
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: still capable of doing that, because I honestly don't think, right,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: So that's your point last year's offense that they with
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: the caller, Yeah, I don't think that any defense, that's
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: your point, thank you, that runs out there right now,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: they're going to hang fifty on right regardless, Yeah, right,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: certainly not the teams that they actually are going to face,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: and right, you know, I know defense you would never
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: envision putting fifty on the board ever, But I agree
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: with you guys like right now would be hard to
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: even getting thirty and truly offensive points, not you know,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: a pick six mixed in right Todds in North Carolina,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: which is also which is also part of those fifties,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: by the way, that everybody forgets now because they're so
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: far removed. It's not like they just drove the ball
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: down the field every time. What's up, Todd? So when
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: you brought up the term bozos earlier when it was
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: you four, I think you guys didn't go out of
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: your way not to offend each other. I think you
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: guys went out your way to find a way to
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: offend each other. Well, yeahs Eric's best moments, We're like
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: marking the bay. Oh my god, yes, Eric, Eric's best
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: moments were when he was offended. That's this absolutely true.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Was there another time? Now? Football? Oh, eldred Um, What
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: are we exactly looking for in our quarterback? I know
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: that Evan has a certain idea when he was talking
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: with his pal about you know, just like a game
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: manager type thing. What do we want in our quarterback? Is?
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: What is the team designed to have provided by their
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: quarterback at this moment? And I'll take your answer up there. Thanks, guys.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: What do we want all the guy who makes good decisions, decisive?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's what Mac was. That's why I think
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: Mac and Cohan anywhere, because I think that they liked
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: that kind of player, and you know, I think that
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: they believe that if things are right, they can they
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: can get him to do what they want to do.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: Good decisions, get the ball out, deliver the you know.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: I mean he says it all the time, like my
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: job is just to distribute the ball and get it
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: to that. He doesn't really talk like a quarterback who's
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna come out here and dominate. I think
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: that's what they like. They want a guy who sees
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: it as a distributor of the offense. And you know,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: and I think Mac checks all those boxes through him.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna move on from him unless it,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: you know, became just turnover factory after turnover, you know,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: over and over, and then it's at that point then
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: all bets are off. It goes back to what I
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: was saying, or like how are they going to move on?
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: Like where are they going to get a better quarterback?
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: Like it's not going to be in the draft because
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be picking seventeenth. So unless they make some
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: ridiculous trade up like the like the Niners did for
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Trey Lance, like and they're not going to make a
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: ridiculous trade for a veteran. I mean, like the Brady thing,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: whatever I would, I would put a percentage there that's
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: a little bit more than zero just because it's Brady.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: But like the Aaron Rodgers thing, someone said that they'll
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: sign Aaron Rodgers, like and I didn't even realize he's
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: still under contract, so you'd have to trade for him,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: So that completely eliminates it. Ye, Like, but if you're
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: going to sign him, like if green Bay like got
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: rid of me, you have to he made fifty million, Like,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: you're not getting him for nothing, all right on. No
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: way they can get Aaron Rodgers via trade is if
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: he pulls the Davante Adams and he says, the only
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: team I'm going to is the Patriot forces forces his hand,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: the only team that I am playing for next season.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm either retiring or I'm playing for. But you
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: given us, You're given up with the Raiders, gave up
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: at Davante Adams Rogers. And I'm not saying would you
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: do it with the Patriots to it? Probably not. But
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: like if you're telling me that Bill has like this
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: is it? This is the Swan song, Like he's got
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: one more year left, or he's got two more years
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: left but he but we're pushing all the chips in
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: to win a super Bowl in his last season as
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: the coach, or at least catch up with Shula. Absolutely,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: I think those two would kill each other before the season.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: I'm talking myself into it. Just pompous Aaron Rodgers walking
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: around these hallways out there with his man bun and
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: staring and Pete. Would it be need bills and covering
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: like Brady but Bills? What would Bill's reaction the first
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: time Aaron Rodgers gives it the palms up, looks, oh yes,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: out here in the service? Something you got the one
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: case of Gator, a case of water, in case of
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: Clay I got it. Just wasn't that fun? Wasn't that funny?
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: We get him like an Ayowashka gonna try. I'm still
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: a little try. You gotta you gotta forgive me. I'm
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: still a little thrown a little forgetting that. Drew, Yeah,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: dance in Virginia and Michigan. What's up, Dan, Good afternoon, team.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: I got two questions, lawyer. The first one is, is
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: Jacoby Meyers the only wide receiver that gets open when
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: Mack is in a quarterback or is he just the
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: only wide receiver that maxc for some reason. Trust And
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: my other question is is teaching the difference between teaching
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: offense and teaching defense. Is it like, um, for example,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: teaching your biology teacher and you teach anatomy, which is
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: kind of close, um, you know a little bit a
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: little bit different. Or is it more like you're a
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: biology teacher and then you have to teach um chemistry
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: or physics or something. Because I think when of Bill's
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: underrated um talents is what he got from his mom.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: You know that that teaching aspect, you know, breaking it down,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: making it simple, giving the players always say about how
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: it gave us the three key things we need for
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: the game, and just sort of seems it seems to
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: me that Patician might not really have those people's skills.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: Given everything we've seen, and given his background as an engineer,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: that would suggest that he tends to make things more
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: complicated rather than speaking of making things competentible. Yeah, I like,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: I understand what you're trying to get at. I think
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: I think the difference to me between defense and offense.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: I think being a good athlete on either side of
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: the ball helps you obviously, but I think you can
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: get away on defense with just like hustle and determination
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: and instincts or an offense. But you know, at the
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: skill positions, you got to have that skill. You got
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: to have that skill you have if you're a receiver,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: you gotta be quick enough to get open and you
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: got to catch the ball when it's thrown to you.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: That's a skill like you can't like you can't acquire
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: that by just hustling, you know, and in watching film
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: you actually have to have that skill in the same
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: way quarterback or you know. So there's a difference in
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: how like you can only teach offense that much and
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: at some point you just gotta let them play and
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: hope they make the play, you know, Yeah, you know right.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's more like teaching science and then they're like, oh,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: the history teacher is out today, can you go in
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: and teach us history for a day? Like I think
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: it's that different, honestly, because you're you're looking at it
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: in totally different way. Offense is like it's it's creative, right,
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: Like it's it's a creative thing to scheme up offense,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: whereas with defense, It's much more like a math equation, right,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: like a runfit, like we have okay, this box, we
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: have seven guys like this is this guy's got the
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: A gap, that guy's got the B gap, this guy's
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: double get you know, playing a two gap Like that's
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: like it's more about like yes and no, right, But
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: not to say that there is a creativity and defense.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: There is, you know, with with how disguising, blitzing and
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: all that stuff, and you know you can do, but
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: it's less you know, skill, you know what I mean.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: It's just like to listen to what I'm doing, look
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: at your keys and and and you know, perform you
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: know what we're telling you to do. I think off
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: them with everyone. I think it's way different. And I
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: think offense is so precise, like it has at the
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: timing of everything has to be so perfect, right, Yeah,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: you have to have the skills, You're right, It is
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: like this. The skill is you know, you have to
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: have the traits athletically and whatnot. And probably you can
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: get by a little bit defensively just by you know,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: being a forced Yeah he'd seeking missile when you go
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: and break the playoff, but you know when when Brady.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: Remember Brady would be like maniacal if you like, you know,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to be nine yards, and you know that
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: matters now defensively, that drop might supposed to happen at
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: at nine yards, but you could get by if it's
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: ten because the timing is not as important because if
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: I can get there and just break it up, I
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: can break it up right, you know, I don't have
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: to catch it well run. They would always say in defense,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: I'd rather have everybody doing the wrong thing than one
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: guy doing the wrong thing. You know, like if we're
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: all on the same page, we can make up for it.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: But if one guy is doing this and everybody else
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: is do it, that screws up our whole deal. But
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: I'm with Evan on the differences this has kind of led.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: That led my panic in the first place, Like, yeah,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: that's that's what concern is that you know, to teach,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: you've got to be an expert in something. You've got
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: to know something. And you know, if a fine was
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: a little bit and he and he just adapts, okay,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: But if it's as big at golf as as you're saying,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: then yeah, and that's not going to help anybody and
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: the world to keep using for the offenses, it's just
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: not clicking. You can argue that that Another word for
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: that would be they're not coordinated. Yeah, you know the job,
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: I don't have a cod But my contention, and every
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: week I'm thanks, damn, I'm being proven more and more wrong.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: But my contention going into the season is that, yes,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: you know there practice makes perfect, especially you know, even
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: in coaching. But like when you've been in the league
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: for a certain amount of time, in risen to the
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: level of head coach, you're even though you came from
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, you're learning offense too. Sure,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: you know, you're you're you're defending offenses, so in doing that,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: you're learning offenses as well. So, like, you know, to me,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: it wasn't that much of a stretch that someone could
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: come from defense and be good at offense, you know, especial.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: But I remember this in this particular case. I might
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: be wrong, but like I think it can happen. It's
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: not like, oh, this is the craziest thing ever. You know,
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: what was the name of the offensive line coach that
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: Andy Reid made defensive coordinator with the Eagles that year
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: and it was a complete and total disaster. I do
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: not know. I'll have to go back and look it up.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: I felt like he was he was an offensive line
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: coach and they just made a defensive coordinator and he
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: was a complete disaster. Like I think it's just as
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: hard to do it the other way, Like, yeah, yes,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: I think that you know offense, you know defense, you
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: know football, Like I understand that, you know, what's not
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: over complicate things. But I think when you're asking a
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: guy to be completely in charge of one side of
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: the ball or the other, the guy has to have
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: experience on that side. But I also think that, you know,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: so it's not just that it's he was also asked
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: to be the offensive line coach. He was also asked
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: to Now I don't it might have been his idea
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: to install a completely new offense one Castillo, you know.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: So it's not like it's not like, oh, you know,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: I was, I was on defense for this team against
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: our offense, and we're going to keep our offense. So
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: you know, Uh, also, coach old line put in a
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: new you know, offense and not with a veteran quarterback,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: you know. So he had all those things against him
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: Patricia and being asked to do something he hadn't done before,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: you know, so it was That's like I never thought
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: of it that way. Like a lot of people are like, oh, Patricia,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: he owes it all to Bill, right, I mean Bill,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: like he takes care of him and he brings them back.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe he threw him into the fire kind of setting
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: him up to fail. Right, I feel like I said
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: that exact thing before that. I mean, how hard I mean,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: how hard was it for Matt Patricia to be successful
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: this year? The offensive line has to be good, the
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: offense can't drop off from what it was. Mac has
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: to progress. You've got all these new pieces. Um, I
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: liked what I mean. I mean, you know, is Bill projecting?
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: Because Bill's like I could do that and probably Bill could, Okay,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: but not everybody can. So just in full disclosure, I
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: think Bill probably could because I think Bill is that
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: so maybe he's like Ted Williams, where well I can
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: hit for four hundred, why can't you. I think the
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: biggest thing with the switchover is that, Okay, Like to
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: your point, Fred, you can you know offensive football and
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: you know how to attack offenses and narrow some reverse
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: engineering that can be done there. But I think what
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  Speaker 1: offensive coaches know to a level that a defensive coach
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: just wouldn't know is how to help skill players and
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks do their jobs easier, Like how to make it
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  Speaker 1: easier on a receiver. So like we can talk about
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  Speaker 1: motion right, Like it is easier for a receiver to
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  Speaker 1: get off the line of scrimmage if he comes in
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  Speaker 1: motion before the snap, whether whether it's a pre snap
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: shift or it's a full on motion at the snap
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: like a jet motion or something like that, it makes
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: it easier to get off the line of scrimmage. So
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: like when the Patriots had Julian Edelman, they always used
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: to motion him in on that little short motion and
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: then snap the ball right and he wouldn't be able
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: to get jammed at the line of scrimmage. These little
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: like tools and tricks of the trade that offensive coaches use,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: I think are things that defensive coaches might not know
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  Speaker 1: how to design, or when to design, or exactly how
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: to go about putting those pieces together. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: I think the Patriots are like thirty first in the
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: league and pre snap motion is because they just don't
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: have that creative gene to make it easier. But you know,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: you watch like a team like Miami and they just
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: are motioning guys all over the field. You watch Kansas City,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: They're motioning people all over the field. And these are
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: like the best offenses in the league statistically, and guys
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: are just coming from all sorts of different directions and
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: things like that, and that makes it easier. You know,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: It's like motioning a tight end across the formation and
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: then snapping the ball to run a play in that direction,
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  Speaker 1: and now you've gotten him in favorable leverage to make
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: his block, So his block just got a lot easier
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  Speaker 1: for him to make it. Receiver releasing off the line
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  Speaker 1: of scrimmage. You know Taekwon Thornton coming in jet motion
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: and then releasing and now he's already at full speed,
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  Speaker 1: so it's not like he's start starting from a standstill
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: and then having to build up. But they've already allowed
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: him to build up some of his speed off the
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Like these are the things that make
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: it easier for offensive players and especially receivers to get
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: open down the field, and the Patriots just don't do
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of it. And I think a lot of
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: that points to the fact that they have a defensive
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: coach who's not designing plays on that level of sophistication yet.
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  Speaker 1: And I've always felt like a part of what they
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: do well here historically was putting players in position to succeed.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: And that feels like that's where the disconnect is for me,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: where it doesn't feel like you're doing them everything, does it?
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: You know, putting coaches in the position to succeed, you know? Yeah,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: And you know where's the line between Matt Patricia just
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: doesn't know what he's doing and we want to simplify this, Like,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I got all the stuff about wanting to simplify.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you guys feel, but
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: I felt like, I mean, you had to at some
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: point break up with the Josh McDaniel's offense. When Josh left,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, who else can really do it? You know?
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: I mean I think they had to make operators, you know,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: I mean they had to, I feel like, make some
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: kind of change. Now I don't think they did the
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: right thing, but you know, I just I think everything
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: even't said about just the creativity on offense and how
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: much goes into it, And like, as I've watched football
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: over this these years, like you know, understanding the steps
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: and you know when it's a three stretch drop, you've
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: got to run the route in this many steps and
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: it's got to be right here, and you'll see Brady
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: walking it, and you know just all the nuance that
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: goes into it, and not only on the micro level,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: to go back to another phrase you mentioned earlier, but
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: the bigger level of knowing, all right, we ran this, well,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: now we're going to counter with this. That's really going
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: to screw them up when they're trying to block this.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, just the being one step ahead
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: of it all as well is another element that you know.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I think it feels like we're just running plays.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: We're just running plays. Put it, they're just running plays.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: They're just and that's what you don't get without experience,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: right because like I could run, I could go out
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: and call a bunch of plays in a row, but
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: I've never called sequential plays and set things up seeing
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: what the defense is now to you and say I
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: know what to go to now because of what they're doing.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: And I gotta think that that's a learning process, Like
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think you could just fall out of bed
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: and say okay, I'm on offense now. Yeah, yeah, I
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: know how to do that. That's what Josh had a
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: feel for it, Like, you didn't have to keep the
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: same offense, but if you wanted to change the because
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know who they could have hired that could
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: have done that offense, Bill O'Brien, evidently they couldn't get
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: so you would. You were dealing with some sort of
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: change regardless, but you had to have an offensive guy
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: do it, like it makes no sense to change the
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: offense and go to a defensive guy. Yeah. I think
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: the play sequencing is so true too, because it's like,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: you know, with McDaniels or with an experienced coordinator like
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: could take the you know the Shanahan tree, right, it's
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: outside zone. It's outside zone, and now we're bootleg. Now
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: we're bootleg off the outside zone. We're gonna show you
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: the same exact outside zone in blocking up front, and
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: we're gonna marry that to Now we're gonna bootleg off
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: of it. And now the quarterback has all day to
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: throw and he's got open receivers down the field. And
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: this is you know, complimentary football, like when they run
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: play action they just the offensive line just pass protects
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: like there's no run action involved in the play action.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: So the linebacker level doesn't fall for it, like they
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: just don't fall for it. And so they are sitting
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: there and they're seeing the heads go up on the
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman because they're just getting in their pass sets
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, it's a pass like, this isn't
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: play action. So with the you know, with McDaniel's offense,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: they are a gap team, right, they're downhill team. So
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: they pulled guards a lot, they lead with the fullback
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: a lot. So when they ran play action, they would
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: run James Devlin through the line of scrimmage like he
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: was gonna lead block, and then it would actually be
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: a pass play and that would get the linebackers to
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: step up into their run fits. And now that it's
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: a fullback out there, so you're kind of already alert
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: to run probably anyway. I mean, it's it's something that
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: used or they pull they pull the guard and they oh,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: here here comes the you know power, here comes counter again.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: But now we're pulling the guard and now it's past
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: you know, and now it's play action, and that that's
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: the whole like established a run thing like the nerds
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: get mad at that, right, Like it doesn't you know,
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: people say, oh, like it run effectiveness, run frequency. That
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't set up play action. What sets up play action
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: is the blocking. Right it's mimicking the blocking up front
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: looking the same every single time, the fake looking the
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: same every single time, like Mac Jones's fake needs to
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: be the exact same way as his handoff, Like it's
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: got to look exactly the same. Right, the line has
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: to be exactly the same. If they're gonna run inside zone,
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: the line has to block inside zone like they would.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: The first couple steps that they take needs to look
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: exactly the same as the run blocking scheme does. That's
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: what gets defense is to bite on play action, and
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: you know those little things like that. You just don't
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: see a whole lot of those, you know, tricks like
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: those little tricks. They just don't have a ton of
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: those in the offense. Right now, find one of them, Fred,
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: pick one, anyway, I get anyway, that'll be here for
• 1:57:04
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• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: Catch twenty two coming up after this show. Yes, then
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: the show tomorrow, I tomorrow will not be here. I'll
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: be in Germany, hopefully not getting COVID, but that'll be
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: in Germany. Um, and I'll be going to the first
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: everybody in Germany get COVID on your Well, you know,
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: we don't you know when you'll travel abroad. You want
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: to be careful. Um. But I'll be a little girl
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: grow Munich watching the first NFL regular season game in Germany.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: So I'm excited about that, Tom Brady. You might even
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: get to kiss Tom. Yeah, Mike, I might. I might.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: Does the restraining order count in Germany? Is that? No? No? No?
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