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September 7, 2026 · The Hot Line w/ Jeff Graham

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[SPEAKER_16]: a lot as anybody does.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Paris, Alan.
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[SPEAKER_16]: San Diego.
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[SPEAKER_16]: So Marine Corps of Creepy Bowen, San Diego, because I'm from Northern California, originally.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And stepped into that, and you know, was able to find my footing eventually, but you know, what I wanted to write inside of the book itself was that failure is often the first part of the first step in success.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I write a lot of my struggles in there to be able to be open to young men and young women who think that failure is, you know, final for them.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And so I wrote about that through.
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[SPEAKER_22]: So I mean, you had two active wars going on shortly after.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Many had Afghanistan within months, and then you had Iraq.
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[SPEAKER_22]: They were ramping up for Iraq right after.
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[SPEAKER_22]: What was your experience?
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[SPEAKER_16]: So my experience was when I went into boot camp, there was kind of rumbling.
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[SPEAKER_16]: So I went into boot camp in July of 2002, so that we knew that Afghanistan was going on, and the rumblings of Iraq began.
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[SPEAKER_16]: But we're pretty isolated when we go to boot camp.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And then right after that, I graduated the School of Infantry in December of 2002.
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[SPEAKER_16]: arrived to my first unit in January of 2003 and shipped off to Kuwait three weeks later.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And then from Kuwait, you a part of the invasion?
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[SPEAKER_16]: I was.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I was 18 years old.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I was a rifleman in Thurbatown, fifth Marines.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Where the book gets its name is Dark Horse.
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[SPEAKER_16]: So it's kind of a double on Tondra.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Dark Horse is the call sign for Thurbatown, fifth Marines at a Camp Pendleton.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And also Dark Horse is for anyone who feels underestimated who thinks, you know, a little of themselves and kind of a, you know, a challenger that people demand unexpected something.
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[SPEAKER_22]: So would you learn in the battle we know about the thunder run with the third infantry where were you guys?
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[SPEAKER_16]: So we run up a route one our biggest day of fighting was in a place called Dewania or a little north of Dewania It was a republican republican guard a training camp And so also what we had fed a jean was there kind of doing the only thing about sedan fed a jean, right?
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[SPEAKER_22]: That was bad intel not knowing that they had guys in plain clothes looking to take you out
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[SPEAKER_16]: And that confuses everyone because, look, at that time frame, we're looking for a conventional military.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And so then we're fighting a convention.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Because of the first time.
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[SPEAKER_16]: That's exactly correct.
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[SPEAKER_22]: That's correct.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Exactly correct.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And so then all of a sudden we see these guys who were in non-standard uniforms who were fighting us.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And it started the very beginnings of what would have eventually become the insurgency.
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[SPEAKER_16]: But, you know, the Marine Corps, you know, we fought 2003 on our terms.
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[SPEAKER_16]: It was a maneuver warfare, fast-paced, striking the enemy, so to prevent their ability to make war.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And that was war on our terms.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Who's the first to be just been from training to actual war?
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[SPEAKER_16]: The big adjustment for me, I think, was the gravity of the situation.
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[SPEAKER_16]: So training, you know, there is a level of, you know, understanding of what could be.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And then all of a sudden, once that first bullet snaps by your head, there's this realization of like, this is not a game anymore.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And the stakes are pretty real.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And I was pretty honest in the book itself.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I made a lot of mistakes, very, very young.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I tripped over my own rifle, jammed my rifle with mud, and there's chaos, and missiles, and all kinds of things going on.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And I'm trying to figure myself out.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I was only steady because of a very strong team leader at the time frame and really what I saw through Dark Horse and the thread that I pull through it is that people, you know, that we were all in this together, right?
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[SPEAKER_16]: No one was coming to save us and so people looked to be able to help carry my load physically emotionally and mentally until I could carry it myself.
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[SPEAKER_22]: How long until you could and how great is it to have a leader that doesn't judge just fixes,
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[SPEAKER_16]: that's exactly correct.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I really wanted to be able to emphasize that inside of the book.
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[SPEAKER_16]: How long did I feel that?
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[SPEAKER_16]: You know, I'm still waiting on that to happen, you know, to feel confident in every decision that we make.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And that's really what I wanted to do is inspire young men and women to recognize that, you know, if you're afraid, right, if you're uncomfortable, you're growing and to be able to push into that.
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[SPEAKER_16]: You know, I eventually moved over into the sniper program as soon as we move back to Camp Pendleton after OIF-1 and started to move through it, you know, a sniper in dock and kind of becoming a sniper and struggled with that as well.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And so there's no secrets that I have left in, you know, I can't, there's nothing left to hide, you know, I've kind of written all of my failures, but really as a purpose to show people that progress is part of it.
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[SPEAKER_22]: And what did you think about the operation in particular in your role as a sniper?
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[SPEAKER_22]: Well, because you're killing terrorists.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_22]: So specifically is it was he gratifying?
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[SPEAKER_22]: Well, is it also taxing?
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[SPEAKER_16]: So the answer to both is yes.
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[SPEAKER_16]: So there is a humanity side that the understand that we are out there and we are killing other human beings.
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[SPEAKER_16]: The hard part for us is we also do want to do our job well.
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[SPEAKER_16]: The way that we look as ourselves as snipers is yes, we have a bolt rifle.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Yes, we have eyes and ears and we can see further in touch farther than a lot of the conventional infantry.
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[SPEAKER_16]: We saw ourselves as protectors.
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[SPEAKER_16]: So since we could reach further, then conventional infantry could, but we wanted to do was be able to be angels on their shoulders effectively.
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[SPEAKER_16]: So we went into the battle of Fallujah.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I was a sniper in training in a sniper platoon during the battle of Fallujah, and then eventually after that battle became a sniper, like a school train sniper.
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[SPEAKER_22]: So was it amazing for me as an outsider how underappreciated the military was in adjusting to the battlefield?
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[SPEAKER_22]: We also avoid urban warfare.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Well, it happened.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Yes, we got to take this town.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Well, how do you do that?
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[SPEAKER_22]: You cord off the whole thing you gave people ID cards.
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[SPEAKER_22]: You found out who they were and then you found it with the terrorist war.
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[SPEAKER_22]: That's a difficult taxing you people's lives were lost.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_22]: I mean, it's amazing what you guys learned on the fly.
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[SPEAKER_22]: How you adjusted.
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[SPEAKER_22]: I think it's totally underappreciated.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I do appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_16]: You know, thank you for saying that really what we come back to the Marine Corps is it is we are the sum of all of our parts.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And we come together every single person is integral to making sure that specifically with Felicia that Felicia happened the way that it did.
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[SPEAKER_16]: no person was more important than the other, and the only thing that mattered was the man and woman to your left and right, and that really carries us through.
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[SPEAKER_16]: So writing a book, you know, how do you write a memoir without sounding like a narcissist?
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[SPEAKER_16]: What we tried to do with Dark Horse was use my story as a throughline to tell all of these individual marine stories through the entirety of the book.
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[SPEAKER_16]: We take a note at the time.
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[SPEAKER_16]: So I instead of taking notes, so my mother is a planaire pastel and oil painter, and so I grew up with kind of an artistic background.
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[SPEAKER_16]: So instead of writing normal letters like, hey, mom, my feet smell, I'm hungry.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I wrote stories of what I witnessed along the way.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And being a good mom, which she did, she saved all of my letters.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And I've included the majority of my letters from combat in the book.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And so you can actually see where I'm at in a mental snapshot at 18 years old in OF1, 20 years old in Felicia, and then 21 on my third tour in Iraq.
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[SPEAKER_22]: And what did you think about the operation overall?
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[SPEAKER_16]: So overall, I think what happened was, in some aspects, what we did was the dog caught the car.
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[SPEAKER_16]: We did everything that we needed to do to be able to have a military victory.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And then I think what happens is I think we kind of lost the plot.
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[SPEAKER_16]: At some point, it became about nation building.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And we ended up kind of being mired into a place where we were no longer fighting the war on our terms.
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[SPEAKER_16]: We were fighting at other people's terms.
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[SPEAKER_16]: emergency.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Having a pushback.
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[SPEAKER_22]: But no one else was under-appreciated because the economy collapsed right after was the surge.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_22]: We had 2008.
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[SPEAKER_22]: We had the market crash.
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[SPEAKER_22]: But prior to that, despite all the pushback, General Kean, David Petreyes, a lot of other MVPs came up with a planned, lit of George Bush Greenlighted it.
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[SPEAKER_22]: And even lost a lot of us party in doing it to combine with the tribes and give them back their country and it worked to the point where Barack Obama basically said why do we even have any troops there?
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[SPEAKER_22]: I promised to end this war.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Let's just pull everyone out which ended up being a mistake because in comes ISIS after which but having said that
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[SPEAKER_22]: Do you find that people just want to say all the Iraq War is a mistake and they don't understand the victories that were there and that they've had, I don't know, 15 election since.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_16]: So that's a fantastic question.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I write about that.
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[SPEAKER_16]: As a young man sitting at, you know, the idea for me is democracy.
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[SPEAKER_16]: What we wanted to do was provide a fledgling country who was with an autocratic dictator.
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[SPEAKER_16]: We wanted to give them the opportunity at democracy.
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[SPEAKER_16]: What I always say is that any form of revolution has to be, you know, born from within.
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[SPEAKER_16]: The people have to want it and they have to earn it.
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[SPEAKER_16]: We provided the stability.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I write a letter in there in 2005 where I'm sitting.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I'm sleeping in the election or in the first election site in Iraq in 40 years.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_16]: They had their fingers up.
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[SPEAKER_16]: that's exactly correct.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And that gravity was not lost on me as a 20 year old.
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[SPEAKER_16]: But we were fighting for what we felt we were dying for was the opportunity for democracy.
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[SPEAKER_16]: At that point, it becomes Iraq's and the Iraqi peoples decision of how they want to go.
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[SPEAKER_16]: That was our job was to provide them the space, and it was up to them to be able to decide where they were.
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[SPEAKER_22]: And they're doing that now and now they have a situation where we have a presence there in the area and there's no longer Saddam Hussein when people want to run down the Iraq War go ahead when people say things like stupid war I think about the people that fought it and I just ask you go back to that time right go back to 91 and the criticism on bush 41 But now finishing the job and bush 43 finishes the job and they say great and all of a sudden the insurgency Obviously, but this whole thing was a mistake and then after it you can't have it every way and then you got to say
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[SPEAKER_22]: What if we did leave Saddam Hussein in parallel?
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[SPEAKER_22]: What if we did relieve all the sanctions?
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[SPEAKER_22]: Do you think that he would have just wilted into the, into the, would work?
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[SPEAKER_22]: No.
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[SPEAKER_22]: He would have been the menace of the Middle East, and we would have had two crazy terroristic powers instead of just one.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Yes, meeting Iran being the other.
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[SPEAKER_16]: In 1991, Saddam's military was the fourth largest military in the world, you know, backed largely by the Soviet Union as far as the weapon systems.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And so for me, what I've been able to study through a lot of my own historical research is, you know, desert storm was a huge success because that was the right type of enemy for the right type of military that the United States had at that time frame.
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[SPEAKER_16]: We had professionalized our military since the ending of Vietnam, and 1991 was this perfect opportunity for us to be able to overthrow within four days, from 96 hours, take down the fourth large military in the world and pacify them for a very, very long time.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And then yes, eventually this thing starts to percolate.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And, you know, instability is something that we, we as a nation like to fight, we want to be able to provide up an opportunity again for democracy.
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[SPEAKER_16]: You know, Iraq is when we look back on it, it's always easy to look back on with, you know, rose-colored glasses or with the, you know, the clarity of 2020.
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[SPEAKER_16]: When you're in the situation, you know, again, I was a young man.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I was a Lance Corporal E3, you know, and all of these things.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I was really just trying to be able to save my friends' lives and get out of it alive myself.
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[SPEAKER_16]: As we went into Falucia, you know, there's an old saying that as soon as the first bullet passes by your head, politics goes out the window.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And, you know, I write a lot about that in this book.
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[SPEAKER_16]: A friend of mine said, this book is deeply, deeply political.
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[SPEAKER_16]: It's non-partisan.
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[SPEAKER_16]: What I do is I show the world that through my experience as a young man fighting for democracy, fighting for his country, you know, I've read a lot of your work in specifically that one of the books that I enjoy the most was on the secret six, right?
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[SPEAKER_16]: Nathan Hale, right?
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[SPEAKER_16]: You know, my only regret is that I have but one life to give to my country, the majority of the Americans who join the United States military believe that and they want that and they will that and they're very proud to bring that forward to defend the values that the United States carries forward.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Right, so what leadership lessons you'd learn now?
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[SPEAKER_22]: Like you said you're always a learning progress.
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[SPEAKER_22]: I understand that the humility is important, but you've learned a lot, right?
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[SPEAKER_16]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_22]: And you're still young.
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[SPEAKER_22]: You're still, how old are you?
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[SPEAKER_22]: I'm 41.
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[SPEAKER_22]: What do you want?
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[SPEAKER_22]: So what did you take out of that knowing?
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[SPEAKER_22]: Put in your life on the line?
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[SPEAKER_22]: most of the four or four or five years, right?
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[SPEAKER_16]: The, so I ended up doing 21 years inside of the service itself.
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[SPEAKER_22]: But in hot war, how long?
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[SPEAKER_16]: Until 2000, my last combat diploma was 2014.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I moved into special operations at that time frame in Afghanistan in North Africa.
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[SPEAKER_16]: You know, what I learned was that for me, learning has to be central to your core.
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[SPEAKER_16]: You have to be able to teach an old dog, new tricks.
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[SPEAKER_16]: But the core message inside of Dark Horse is make them better than you.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Here's what I want people to take from the book.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I want them to understand young Americans who suffer from their own ideas and self-efficacy.
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[SPEAKER_16]: First, you have to be able to do hard things.
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[SPEAKER_16]: If you're uncomfortable, you're growing.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Second, is that failure is often the first step to success.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And the third thing is that when you achieve your own individual success, whatever that looks like in any walk of life, the job that now your obligation is to turn around and make the next generation better than you.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I tell people all the time.
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[SPEAKER_16]: If you want to know what I learned over 21 years of service, the very last page of the book is called Letter to the Leader.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And I write an open letter to anybody who wants to be a leader from any walk of life.
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[SPEAKER_16]: If you want to know how I learned that or what I did to be able to learn that lesson, those are in the pages of the book itself.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Right, and by the way, Angel A couldn't be the year old Italian.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Oh, super.
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[SPEAKER_22]: It's not that I'm having time.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Angel O.
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[SPEAKER_22]: A. G. Piscuti.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Okay, I got it right.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Just let me bring it to today before we go.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Would you like to see happening around knowing so many of your people that you serve with were killed by EFPs as well as the insurgency with they help finance and fuel?
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[SPEAKER_16]: Yes, great question.
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[SPEAKER_16]: You know, I sat and I had a long conversation with Sean Ryan about this.
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[SPEAKER_16]: We talked for eight and a half hours and he asked a lot of these say to half hours.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Is that all online?
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[SPEAKER_16]: Yes, it is.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And so you kind of get to understand.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Here's what I say as a service member, is that the social contract, when we sign up to the Join the United States military, we write a blank check to the United States payable with our lives.
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[SPEAKER_16]: What I want to understand, what I want people, politicians, you know, a regular everyday Americans to understand, that bond that we share with one another has to be protected, and that sacred bond it has to be wielded carefully.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Whenever we go anywhere in the world to defend the values or be able to stabilize country countries for the sake of democracy, we have to have, I would say, clear objectives, a sound mind and a clear heart before we do that.
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[SPEAKER_16]: The idea of the thesis is clear enough.
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[SPEAKER_16]: In my person now I understand I don't have a clearance anymore so I am there's two things I understand I am no longer the man in the arena and I'm never going to you know talk poorly on the men and women who are in the arena I have I have turned in my back but you are more qualified than 97% of the people in the country to comment that's correct that's correct I do appreciate that
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[SPEAKER_16]: Yes, I think that the objective needs to be clearly laid out, you know, as far as a battle plan, we have to have a North star an idea of what we want to accomplish through there.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And I think as a regular everyday American now, I don't see those.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Now, I'm never going to argue that Iran is not an issue.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I'm never going to argue that they have not fought us through proxies for the last, you know, three to four decades at this point.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Never going to argue that.
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[SPEAKER_16]: But I think that there's some professional military agencies who have a pretty good idea of what to do and I think that what I've written in the book is sometimes that our policy makers need to let our military men and women make some of the decisions on the ground and not get in the way.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_22]: So let them finish the job.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Yes, sure.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Especially because if you look at the Middle East,
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[SPEAKER_22]: You actually have a shot at so many of these countries care about their economy more than their religion.
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[SPEAKER_22]: You know, I'm saying I'm more than being a zealot or a fanatic.
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[SPEAKER_22]: I look at the UAE Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, look at Oman.
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[SPEAKER_22]: They were looking to grow their society for the first time, maybe in my lifetime.
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[SPEAKER_22]: And it seems like in way you turn, Iran just sits in the way.
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[SPEAKER_16]: You know, it does, and it is a cultural center for it, and maybe not, yes, to finish the job.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I think that having a very clear outline of what needs to happen and allowing our military makers to work towards those goals.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Pick up dark horse, harnessing hidden potential in war and in life and, Angela, great meeting you.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Sorry, we don't have eight and a half hours.
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[SPEAKER_22]: But this has been great.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Thanks so much.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_22]: And thanks for serving.
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[SPEAKER_16]: The pleasure was mine.
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[SPEAKER_16]: It was my honor to serve.
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[SPEAKER_22]: He's the two-time Pulitzer prize-winning author of New York Times Bestseller on Black Flags, the definitive account of the rise of ISIS.
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[SPEAKER_22]: His new book, The Jackal, the rise and fall of Carlos, the world's first super-terrorist is now out.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Joe, be welcome.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Good to hear.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Before we talk about ISIS of today, talk about really where they started.
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[SPEAKER_22]: First of who is the jackal?
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[SPEAKER_20]: Well, Carlos of jackal folks who have lived as long as I have, may remember this name from the 70s.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He was at one time the most well-known sort of the most
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[SPEAKER_20]: charismatic, the most colorful bad guy in the world.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He was a terrorist, he was most famous crime, was hijacking an entire opac conference.
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[SPEAKER_20]: The oil cartel, he could walk into the headquarters in Vienna in 1975 with some commandos and took the entire thing hostage and was able to get the Viennese to give him an airplane and flew them all off into the desert in North Africa.
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[SPEAKER_20]: might seem more common now, but in those days, it was pretty exciting.
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[SPEAKER_20]: And his mission is, his mission at the time, he considered himself a kind of a Marxist revolutionary.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He was originally even a Swailun, his father was a developed communist, he gets his name, his real name is Iliic, named after the founder of the Soviet Union Vladimir Iliic Shunny on off.
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[SPEAKER_20]: And so that was his upbringing.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,
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[SPEAKER_20]: trying to fashion himself and project himself as kind of a Marxist revolutionary.
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[SPEAKER_20]: It turns out he was really for whoever would pay him and allow him to do bad things around the world.
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[SPEAKER_20]: So we became a Palestinian leader?
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[SPEAKER_20]: It became a Palestinian because he landed in the Middle East.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He wanted to get
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[SPEAKER_20]: military training.
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[SPEAKER_20]: So we got kicked out of college in Moscow.
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[SPEAKER_20]: His dad sent him to Moscow to go to school.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He gets kicked out of there.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He's got a girlfriend who's pregnant.
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[SPEAKER_20]: His life is falling apart.
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[SPEAKER_20]: And so he decides on a whim to move himself to Lebanon to try to join up with the Palestinians.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He thinks they're great.
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[SPEAKER_20]: They're freedom fighters.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He wants to part of that movement.
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[SPEAKER_20]: So he shows up there in 1970 just as civil war is about to break out and ends up becoming a guerilla.
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[SPEAKER_20]: It gets guerrilla training, gets to learn how to shoot a gun, build bombs, and they love him.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He's international.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He speaks five languages.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He can live anywhere because he looks Western.
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[SPEAKER_20]: So it becomes the perfect sleeper agent for the Palestinians.
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[SPEAKER_22]: And he just he's ego began to get out of control.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He saw himself as a rock star before anybody else did.
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[SPEAKER_20]: So his whole, you know, point, the reason he was doing this was to try to create some glory for himself.
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[SPEAKER_20]: And for a long time, the Palestinians were that ticket.
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[SPEAKER_20]: Eventually the Palestinians got tired of them and thought he's too much of a showboat.
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[SPEAKER_20]: It's too much about Carlos and not about our movement.
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[SPEAKER_20]: So they kicked him out and then he just went on his own.
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[SPEAKER_22]: And how was he in one way at all?
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[SPEAKER_22]: A precursor to some of the terrorism we've seen in the Middle East today.
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[SPEAKER_20]: Well, a couple of things, I think what's most significant today is he came to represent state sponsored terrorism as we understand it.
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[SPEAKER_20]: Because after the Palestinians kicked them out, he worked for Mohmarkadafi, the Libyan dictator.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He worked for the Syrians.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He worked for Saddam Hussein and Iraq.
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[SPEAKER_20]: Anybody who would pay him money because they wanted to attack an enemy, wanted to attack Israel, wanted to attack the West, but didn't want their fingerprints on it.
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[SPEAKER_20]: they would hire Carlos to do the deed for them.
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[SPEAKER_20]: And we see that today, in fact, you see, it is the last five, six years, both Russia and the Iranians are really attracted to this idea of hiring proxies.
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[SPEAKER_20]: And not the usual one, it's not FB, FB agents or Hezbollah, but criminals in some cases who can be hired on social media platforms and given a few hundred dollars to blow up a synagogue or to assassinate a dissident.
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[SPEAKER_22]: And what you best for best known for?
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[SPEAKER_20]: So Carlos himself basically he's almost like the paracelton of the pair of the terrorist world.
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[SPEAKER_20]: Someone who's kind of famous for being famous.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He did some horrific things.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He blew up trains in Paris in the 1980s.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He went to war against the French government after the arrest.
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[SPEAKER_20]: his paper with OPEC in 1975 made him an international celebrity and then he managed to stay at large for 20 years, you know, all governments, the French, the Americans, his railies all looking for him and he managed to stay, you know, out of everybody's graphic surgery?
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[SPEAKER_20]: No plus, well,
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[SPEAKER_20]: I want to say no plastic surgery.
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[SPEAKER_20]: There's always kind of this room or this belief that he kind of changed his appearance.
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[SPEAKER_20]: But he did have plastic surgery, but it was very personal.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He wanted to be, it was breast reduction surgery because all his life, he was a little bit chubby.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He was sensitive about his kind of big fleshy man boobs and so in the early 1980s he went to found a plastic surgeon that had his breast size ready to do.
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[SPEAKER_20]: So now you had a chance to interview him.
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[SPEAKER_22]: I did.
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[SPEAKER_22]: First off, how did they capture him?
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[SPEAKER_20]: Capture was was pretty crazy.
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[SPEAKER_20]: It was an operation conducted jointly by the French and the American CIA.
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[SPEAKER_20]: But it was the CIA that found him.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He had gone into sort of self-imposed exile.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He'd been kicked out of this country and that ended up in cartoon and the capital of Sudan.
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[SPEAKER_20]: And while he was there, he was kind of living large as Carlos always did staying in nice hotels, you know, eating
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[SPEAKER_20]: eating well, drinking well, you know, womanizing, you know, tasting women around the capital.
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[SPEAKER_20]: And the CIA station in Cartoon discovered that he was there.
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[SPEAKER_20]: And so they sent their best analyst and their best trackers to kind of watch him day and night to see, you know, what he was up to, see who he was meeting with, and eventually hatched a plan to catch him.
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[SPEAKER_20]: and they would and they would and the crazy this is a story that I think readers will really enjoy if they if they see the book is how they caught him was they realized understood that he was going to have surgery uh... he had a new wife this beautiful young Jordanian that he married
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[SPEAKER_20]: They were trying to have a baby.
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[SPEAKER_20]: They weren't able to conceive.
41:08
[SPEAKER_20]: It turned out he had an issue.
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[SPEAKER_20]: It was a kind of a vericose vein of veins of the testicles and decided to have surgery while I was in cartoon.
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[SPEAKER_20]: The CIA was aware of the plan and set it up so that once he went under the knife, they had their people in place to catch them.
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[SPEAKER_20]: picked him up, put him on a plane, flew him off to France for trial, and that was the end of the Carlos's career.
41:29
[SPEAKER_20]: There you go, and you got to him in prison.
41:31
[SPEAKER_20]: I got to him in prison, so this, you know, rolled the clock forward 30 years, so he's been in jail for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_20]: But it's a rare thing for people to get to sit down with this man.
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[SPEAKER_20]: The French don't let him do many interviews.
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[SPEAKER_20]: They don't want to be useful ever.
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[SPEAKER_20]: they don't want to be a celebrity.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He's kind of milked that for as long as he possibly could.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He killed a lot of French people including police officers, so they don't want to give him any a microphone.
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[SPEAKER_20]: I had an opportunity to see him under tight restrictions, but for me, it was a chance to see what he was like to see what a 75-year-old Carlos was up to.
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[SPEAKER_22]: And would you tell what you take away?
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[SPEAKER_20]: He is a classic criminal narcissist and people, I think, know the type, he has no empathy, no feeling for other people, all the crimes that he committed, all the people who are innocent that were killed in his terrorist attacks.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He doesn't regard as serious.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He doesn't see, you know, feel any remorse about that.
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[SPEAKER_20]: In fact, he brides about the number of people that he killed and he talks with remorse about people he should have killed.
42:30
[SPEAKER_20]: I shouldn't have let this guy get away.
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[SPEAKER_20]: I should have killed a few more people.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Wow, so the book is the jackal is out now, Joby.
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[SPEAKER_20]: Today is the launch day.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Congratulations.
42:39
[SPEAKER_22]: Just talk about terror in the region.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Jared Kushner is sitting down with him.
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[SPEAKER_22]: I said that with him, I asked you today.
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[SPEAKER_22]: You know, he's got that 15 point plan.
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[SPEAKER_22]: And they said they've agreed to give up power.
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[SPEAKER_22]: They've the indications they are.
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[SPEAKER_22]: And number two, they have to disarm.
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[SPEAKER_22]: And then, international force has to come in.
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[SPEAKER_22]: The Israelis are not optimistic.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Here's Kushner, cut 33.
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[SPEAKER_15]: They said all the right things, but obviously it's very, very hard to trust, you know, terrorist organization that committed these terrible atrocities, but we had a very cordial meeting, and they said all the right things, and so we're going to give them a chance to perform, but it's going to have to be based on actions and steps, and I hope it'll be true.
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[SPEAKER_22]: These rallies evidently told Kushner, I'll give you a room, but we're not optimistic that they're going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_22]: They got to get rid of their tunnels and blow up those tunnels and expose them.
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[SPEAKER_22]: What do you think?
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[SPEAKER_20]: The skepticism is well-deserved.
43:31
[SPEAKER_20]: Historically, Hamas has been, they fall into a category that you'd call rejectionist.
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[SPEAKER_20]: They are extremists.
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[SPEAKER_20]: They're a violent extremist group, but they also don't want to compromise if it involves
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[SPEAKER_20]: Recognizing this really zero chance the beating they took over the last two and a half years might change that mindset You can see a path where It's we're eventually the leadership is so decimated and there's such desperation that they are forced to make a compromise But would I trust that they're gonna hold to their commitments probably not as long as there are committed hummus
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[SPEAKER_20]: terrorists, and you know, just trooper levers, they're they're going to look for ways to strike back.
44:09
[SPEAKER_22]: He wrote a book about ISIS, the rise of ISIS, which really a uh, a sect of al-Qaeda, same same mindset.
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[SPEAKER_22]: How damaged is ISIS right now?
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[SPEAKER_20]: Well, ISIS is truly on its back foot, and it's been a long time coming.
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[SPEAKER_20]: There was, uh,
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[SPEAKER_20]: they were able after the fall of the caliphate and the destruction of the last strongholds in Syria.
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[SPEAKER_20]: They had a way of hanging on because of their ability to inspire through the internet.
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[SPEAKER_20]: And this was a new phenomenon with ISIS.
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[SPEAKER_20]: You didn't have to join the group.
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[SPEAKER_20]: You just had to commit an act of violence and claim it in the name of ISIS.
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[SPEAKER_20]: So that was their special niche.
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[SPEAKER_20]: But their ability to kind of organize anything.
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[SPEAKER_20]: quite limited.
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[SPEAKER_20]: They have sells in Africa.
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[SPEAKER_20]: They're beginning to gain some strength in our worry, but in the Middle East, they're just really not what they used to do.
44:55
[SPEAKER_20]: What about El Qaeda?
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[SPEAKER_20]: El Qaeda is is in the same bucket, I think, but even more diminished.
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[SPEAKER_20]: I think I've to have two generations of leadership.
45:03
[SPEAKER_20]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_20]: And that was you must have to say.
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[SPEAKER_20]: have to acknowledge.
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[SPEAKER_20]: This was the result of an extremely effective and aggressive counterterrorism campaign that a lot of Americans didn't see because it didn't involve bombing cities.
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[SPEAKER_20]: It was special ops.
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[SPEAKER_20]: It was drawn more fair and was going after a target and then going after another target the next night and not giving them any space to recover.
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[SPEAKER_22]: To the underestimate the retaliation for nine on.
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[SPEAKER_20]: I think they did.
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[SPEAKER_20]: I think, and I've been lawns mind, this was going to spark this war between civilizations that the America was probably going to come after the Muslim world, but there was going to be a resilience and a resistance and eventually America would be defeated.
45:46
[SPEAKER_20]: I don't think any of them expected that the campaign against terrorism would be as long and as aggressive as it was and it worked.
45:52
[SPEAKER_22]: Yeah, 25 years later, what are you thinking?
45:54
[SPEAKER_20]: I'm thinking that
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[SPEAKER_20]: I see a shift happening, and again, there's this gets to some of the themes in the book where it's going to be less about more religious extremists.
46:04
[SPEAKER_20]: We might still see some of that, there might still be some inspired individuals who would do things.
46:09
[SPEAKER_20]: But I think that terrorism and arena is moving back towards state-sponsor terror.
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[SPEAKER_20]: And this is a repeat of what happened in the 60s and 70s, the Carlos generation where they weren't interested in, and a religious cause, they were looking to inflict harm against governments they didn't like.
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[SPEAKER_20]: And that's what, you know, what these early terrorist groups are all about.
46:28
[SPEAKER_22]: Right.
46:28
[SPEAKER_22]: I mean, it was the good old days as a cold war because you knew who our enemy was with somewhat rational.
46:33
[SPEAKER_22]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_22]: If not, you know, obviously powerful in the Soviet Union.
46:38
[SPEAKER_22]: But now I think the presence little exaggerated by the lack of logic with the dealing with that extremist mindset.
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[SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Which you write about.
46:45
[SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
46:45
[SPEAKER_20]: And it is true that it's so it's hard for us to get our heads around.
46:49
[SPEAKER_20]: that level of extremism.
46:52
[SPEAKER_20]: And you know, I write about people in this latest book, this is a Carlos book.
46:57
[SPEAKER_20]: The extremist who were, or when asked about a two-state solution, Israelis and Palestinians living side by side, would refuse to accept it if there was a square inch of Israeli territory, even one town or one village that wouldn't be acceptable.
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[SPEAKER_20]: It was
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[SPEAKER_20]: And, you know, we in the West to think about, you know, a process, a negotiation.
47:18
[SPEAKER_20]: So a combination to other points of view, that doesn't exist in that mindset.
47:22
[SPEAKER_20]: So when you go ahead and do the jackal, it's, it's, it's, do you feel like you're,
47:27
[SPEAKER_22]: you're interviewing more of a criminal, like a almost like a mobster, more than a terrorist, and a lot in type terrorist, as our Uriya is our Kaui.
47:38
[SPEAKER_20]: In the case of Carlos himself, he's more of a mobster mentality, but the movement that he remembers was useless, too, right?
47:44
[SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, remorseless and really, just,
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[SPEAKER_20]: You know, no empathy, no no ability to have a moral view, it was just all about himself.
47:53
[SPEAKER_20]: But the people that he was around and the people that funded him and sponsored him, you know, they were very much, you know, true terrorists in the modern sense.
48:02
[SPEAKER_20]: And they were the first
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[SPEAKER_20]: groups that decided that it was okay not just to attack the Israelis, because there are enemy, but to declare war on the world at large, to attack any airport, any airplane, any target of opportunity, just to kind of make our point and to get people to think about it.
48:16
[SPEAKER_22]: As I somatic, anti-Jew, anti-Israeli.
48:18
[SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, all that wrapped together.
48:19
[SPEAKER_20]: In fact, one of the interesting things that comes out in the book about Carlos is, there were...
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[SPEAKER_20]: serious antisemites and even former Nazis who were bankrolling some of those the Palestinian efforts.
48:29
[SPEAKER_20]: So it was one, you know, a Nazi banker from Switzerland who becomes sort of the chief financier and even a legal defender of some of the hijackers.
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[SPEAKER_20]: And that's.
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[SPEAKER_22]: When you say ISIS, you saw it was really based on what they thought the current red you have to kill infidels.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Was that at the fundamental core of it?
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[SPEAKER_20]: It was because they felt empowered to interpret Islam in the Quran in the ways that suited them.
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[SPEAKER_20]: So the godfather of ISIS is his guy named Zarkawi.
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[SPEAKER_20]: He was a Jordanian who moved to Iraq, you know, to meet the Americans after these.
49:04
[SPEAKER_20]: Great.
49:05
[SPEAKER_20]: exactly.
49:06
[SPEAKER_20]: And he created out how that he was never even finished school.
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[SPEAKER_20]: So he was just basically a gangster from the street to became a religious zealot.
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[SPEAKER_20]: But his whole thing is I don't need to understand the Quran that well.
49:17
[SPEAKER_20]: I just need to get some Imam to say that this interpretation is okay and this interpretation says you can kill innocent, you can kill women, you can kill other Muslims.
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[SPEAKER_20]: Whatever we decide is okay, we'll do it.
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[SPEAKER_22]: So Joe B. work our guests just a couple more minutes here.
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[SPEAKER_22]: He wrote black flags about about the rise of ISIS and in today, the jackals out the rise and full of Carlos, the world's were super terrorists.
49:40
[SPEAKER_22]: So when you talk about the extremist mindset is Saudi Arabia,
49:47
[SPEAKER_22]: a success story in that they went in and they revamped, if I'm the believe it, I haven't been there.
49:53
[SPEAKER_22]: The Wahabiism and that curriculum that fermented and gave rise to so many terrorists mindset to learn to grow up and hate the West.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Now when I see the prior to the Iran war, I think about Saudi Arabia, they were about economic expansion and opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Is that showing a focus on revamping the curriculum to make sure the next generation
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[SPEAKER_22]: with this whole religious fanaticism.
50:19
[SPEAKER_22]: I think they're making it a bit loud.
50:21
[SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
50:21
[SPEAKER_20]: But I think they were really late to make this realization.
50:24
[SPEAKER_20]: And I think leaders like MBS would acknowledge that.
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[SPEAKER_20]: What's been concerning to me as I've investigated terrorist groups around the world was this.
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[SPEAKER_20]: sort of missionarying that the Saudis were engaged and sending, you know, Wahabi, you know, apostles around the world to kind of convert to build madrasas and places like Pakistan and the tribalaries, particular where whole generation of people were brought up on this really hateful intolerant religion that is, is
50:55
[SPEAKER_20]: You know, inconsistent with what a lot of of of Muslims believe, but it certainly became a fuel for some of the, you know, the terrorists that we saw a bubble up in that part of the world.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Wow, we're going to say, if it does bubble up, I know you're right about Adobe work.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Congratulations, go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Everybody go out there and pick up the jack, I appreciate you.
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[SPEAKER_22]: Thank you very much, Brian.
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