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BookTok ChatGPT "author" controversy, more 'Hot Girl' trademark backlash + Shoshi course update · Mini Scroll

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  Coming up today on Mini Scroll, the man facing backlash after
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  taking a real life relationship story from TikTok and turning it
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  into a ChatGPT book, some more hot girl trademark drama and a
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  Shoshi course update. Hi everyone, welcome to mini
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  the stories for today. So the first story that I have
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  for you guys today is a man named Kyle Cotton is facing
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  immense backlash after taking the relationship story of an
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  author and her husband's lived experience that he found on
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  TikTok, feeding it into ChatGPT and generating a book about it
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  without their consent. So a few days ago, Kyle posted a
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  video saying that his girlfriend is sick of reading the same
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  books. So he quote UN quote, wrote her
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  some books with ChatGPT. He brought this to Tiktok
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  because he was basically saying like how fast it is to write
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  books using AI. And he was trying to gauge if
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  people online would want him to be quote, UN quote, writing
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  these books every single week. And he would put them on Kindle
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  for like 2 dollars, $3. And the point is that the people
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  who are invested in this, who are buying his books, know that
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  they will get a new one every single week.
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  I read my girlfriend a book last week and she read it.
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  And she loved it. She told me I should post it for
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  sale on Kindle and so I'm just curious if people would actually
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  buy it. The idea behind the story was
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  that she has been. My girlfriend has been tired of
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  reading the same books that feel like the same romance novels
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  over and over again. And so she wanted something that
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  felt more real, felt more like real life, and that's what I
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  tried to write. It's called the versions We
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  keep. And I don't know, I probably
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  posted for three or $4.00 on Kindle if if people actually
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  wanted to buy it. But with AI being so easy, it's
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  made me think like about writing a book a week and it would that
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  be something people would be interested in?
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  If I just put out a book a week for $3 on Kindle, would people
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  actually buy them? So he put this out there and
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  then somebody asked him the question, what type of book had
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  he written? And he made this follow up video
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  saying that he's actually written four books so far with
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  this method. And it's in this video that he
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  mentions that one of the books that he has quote UN quote
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  written was inspired by a story that he got from another
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  creator's TikTok. He said that he saw this idea
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  that she came up with, she played it on her husband.
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  And then when he brought the concept to his girlfriend, the
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  girlfriend recognized that the woman that had posted this
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  concept on TikTok is an author herself.
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  So he says that he still quote UN quote wrote the book
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  regardless. But in this case, because the
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  woman is an author herself, he wrote the book.
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  He sent it to her and said that he told her that she could have
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  it for free but if she doesn't do anything with it then he will
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  end up posting it online. Oh, I've actually written four
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  books already. I'm about to start on my fifth.
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  Well, I started on my 5th yesterday and that one is going
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  to be smart. The third book was a book that I
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  got from a another creator's TikTok.
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  I saw this idea that she came up with from her husband and I
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  started writing it sentence. My girlfriend was like, isn't
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  this a great idea for her book? And she's like, Oh, well, that
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  girl's already a writer. So I went ahead and finished the
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  book, sent it to her, and I basically just said that she
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  could have it for free. And if she doesn't do anything
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  with it, I'll probably end up posting it online because it is
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  a fantastic book and a fantastic.
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  Story OK, so who is this author? Kyles book concept is based on a
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  video by Annie Owens. She's a writer and the host of
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  Read It Or Don't podcast. The video that he is referring
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  to, like where he got this idea for his book, is a video that
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  Ani posted on May 27th where she asks her husband Steve what he
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  would do if he woke up tomorrow in January 2019, but he still
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  had all of his old memories from the last seven years.
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  Babe, if you woke up tomorrow and it was January 1st of 2019,
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  but you had all of your memories still here up until 2026, what
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  would you do? What was your fucking answer?
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  I'd. Convince you I'm from the
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  future. And no, tell them the other
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  thing you said you remember. I would go down, find you, and
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  then just randomly come up to you and just be like, hey, I
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  know you're with a loser right now.
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  Trust me, it gets better. And here's a grape Jelly rancher
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  sucker. I made these just for you.
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  Those are her favorite. And I would just keep randomly
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  showing up and just doing things that she absolutely loves, not
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  introducing myself, and then just like disappearing.
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  A commenter wrote I would read the fuck out of the book.
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  So Kyle took that comment seriously and when he saw it, he
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  fed the concept into ChatGPT and that's the romance book that he
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  quote UN quote wrote and sent to ANI when his girlfriend
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  basically said like she's a writer herself, maybe she wants
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  to write that book herself. 2 days ago Kyle posted a video
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  saying that he sent the video to ANI 10 days ago and there has
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  been no communication so he thinks he will post it.
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  And then this is when ANI got involved because she saw this
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  video obviously and then she responded in the comments she
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  wrote. Hey so I actually did see your
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  e-mail and while I can appreciate the thought of
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  wanting to write a story based on what my husband said, I don't
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  love the idea of it being made with AII.
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  Think part of what makes writing so dynamic and consuming is that
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  a human sat down and gave life to a story, and I don't feel
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  like ChatGPT is something that can do that.
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  And then Kyle responded to this. I think you should give it a
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  read and see if you change your mind.
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  I get where you're coming from, but I think the beauty of AI is
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  that it can put things into words faster than you can.
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  I still narrated the storyline, told it where I wanted it to go
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  and what I wanted to happen. I think if you read even the
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  first two chapters, you would still feel the human emotion of
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  it. Can you guys hear Pumpkin
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  coughing below me? AI just makes it easier to get
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  words on the page. Maybe if you're not a writer,
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  like maybe if you're not an author.
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  And I'm not saying like as somebody who actually is a
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  writer and was a writer for most of my career before like
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  basically becoming a full time podcaster.
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  Like yes, the writing process can be grueling and it can be a
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  tough slog to get to the point where you are then in like flow
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  state. But if you are genuinely a
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  writer, part of it is that you love writing.
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  So you actually enjoy that process and you're like, looking
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  forward to getting to the flow state and putting all of your
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  words and emotions and thoughts and feelings out on the page.
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  Like, nothing is more satisfying than crafting like the perfect
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  paragraph that encapsulates like everything you wanted to say.
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  And the sentence structure is so good.
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  And you read it back and you're like, holy shit, that just hits.
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  Like nothing gives you a high like that.
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  OK, so then Ani started making her own videos about the
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  situation. To be clear, you didn't write
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  the book. You did not write the book.
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  Be honest about the books that you've written.
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  Be honest that you took an idea that you saw on TikTok about me
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  and my husband's actual relationship in marriage and you
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  put it into ChatGPT and you had ChatGPT write the book.
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  Be honest. Truly.
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  I guess I can appreciate the sentiment of like, let me use
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  it, make money off it, sell it, whatever, because he says that
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  next that that's not the point of a book.
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  The point of a book is not I'm going to write this thing.
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  Yes, obviously authors have the intention.
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  They want to make fucking money. It's it's that's their job.
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  But also like the point of having that story based off
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  something that my husband said to me, based off our
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  relationship, how we met, how we got to where we are and being
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  married now. Like the point of it is to
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  actually write it, to put all the love that I've experienced
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  for five years and the laughter and the crazy, what the fuck?
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  And the crazy shit he said is for me to be able to go through
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  and put up, put that in the book, not have a stranger write
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  the story for us. But you didn't even write it.
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  ChatGPT wrote it. As on these videos gain
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  traction, Kyle started getting a lot of backlash, rightfully so,
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  and he started doubling down on the ChatGPT of it all, claiming
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  that he believes that speed is essentially like more important
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  than the author's original work, which I guess he did kind of say
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  in this first comment. Anyways, so he says he believes
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  that people would prefer someone to basically like churn out a
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  book a day with AI, then have to wait a year or so for an author
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  to write an original book. If JK Rowling could only write,
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  let's just say hypothetically, one book per year with her hand,
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  that's all she could do. That's the fastest she could do
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  it. But she could come up with 10
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  ideas for a book a year, right? Which would be better?
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  Would it be better for her to handwrite and edit one book a
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  year? Or would it be better for her to
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  tell ChatGPT the ideas that she has, have ChatGPT write it, and
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  then go back and edit it into her own wording?
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  Would you rather not have 10 JK Rowling books over 1 JK Rowling
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  book? This mindset is just true, like
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  brain rotted manosphere tech bro final boss levels of delusion.
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  Like when will these people eventually admit that nobody
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  wants to consume AI generated art?
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  Generative AI empowers people who like so desperately want to
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  feel accomplished and special and successful.
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  It makes them feel like gods like it makes them feel like
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  they can skip the line to a finished, polished product.
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  Because anybody who has ever created anything from scratch in
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  like the creative field at all knows that the pursuit of that,
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  like the process, the pursuit of that creation, that can take
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  years and years of trial and error to hone your craft and to
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  create something that you're happy with and also something
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  that people will buy, right? That people will be happy to
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  consume themselves as well and support and purchase.
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  And we can tell when you have tried to skip that process.
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  And it's the process that makes art meaningful and worthwhile
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  for everyone involved. The fact that his brain goes to,
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  well, I could just produce more. It's like the most toxic hustle
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  bro mindset I have ever heard. OK, so where we're at now?
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  After Ani was basically fighting for her life on TikTok against
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  Kyle and generative AI supporters, her husband Steve
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  made a video. To the guy who stole my wife's
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  book idea, then had ChatGPT write it and then double down
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  and claim he's a real author while shitting on her and her
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  friends. Could you stop pissing off my
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  wife this early in the morning? I'm really just trying to enjoy
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  my cup of coffee. Surprise, surprise you guys.
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  Every woman who listens to this podcast will know how this ends
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  because once a man stepped in and asked asked Kyle to listen
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  to his wife and to stop. Guess what Kyle did?
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  He listened and he stopped and he didn't fight back.
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  I want to genuinely apologize to you and your wife.
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  I realized that I posted all four of those videos yesterday
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  before I gave them time for people to be able to respond to
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  me. And since people have responded
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  clearly I have upset a lot of people and that was never my
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  intention. I was going to post the e-mail I
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  sent your wife to try and defend myself, but I then I thought if
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  I did that my my apology wouldn't be genuine.
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  I think your wife and your story that you came up with is a great
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  idea. I think it's going to be a
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  fantastic book and when your wife writes it, I will be first
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  in line to buy it and give it to my girlfriend and I genuinely
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  apologize. This is like the universal
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  female experience. Like men, like Kyle, they do not
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  take women seriously. They only take women seriously
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  when another man that they respect is standing up to them
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  and telling them to take women seriously.
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  And that is why it is so important for men to call out
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  their Bros for being like, misogynistic, even when it
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  doesn't seem like such a big deal.
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  You know, I'm sure he actually doesn't feel like that.
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  I'm sure that it's not actually gonna escalate.
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  It always escalates when men's misogyny goes unchecked for so
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  long. Even those little things, we end
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  up breeding this Society of men who don't listen to women.
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  They don't see women as people. They don't think that women have
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  brains in their heads. They don't respect them.
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  And I don't think I need to explain where things then go
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  from there. On one hand, am I happy that
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  Kyle is no longer going to sell this ChatGPT book?
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  Yes. On the other hand, do I think
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  that this is going to continue to be a bigger problem moving
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  forward where people become quite OK with the idea that
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  people are, you know, using generative AI to like fully
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  write this book? You know, I think there's a
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  difference between maybe putting a transcript through, I don't
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  know, some type of like AI, like Grammarly or something, and
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  getting it to check your grammar, check your spelling,
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  like whatever. Like all of that stuff.
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  I understand. Like AI is just part of like
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  workflow at this point for a lot of companies and a lot of
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  people. But you know, being so bold as
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  to say like, yeah, I put this idea into Chachi BT and it wrote
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  me a book and like, do you want to buy it?
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  I fear we're actually going to get to a place where that
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  becomes more common. All right, the next story that I
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  have for you guys today is we have some more Hawk Girl
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  trademark drama. So this time we're not talking
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  about Hawk Girls Read, we're talking about Hawk Girls Walk.
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  OK, so as we know, since the Hawk Girls Read trademark
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  situation, which I did cover twice.
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  So I'm not going to recap it here because that will be very
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  boring for all of you guys that have have been here for those
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  episodes. But if you guys do you want to
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  hear more about that, you can just search in the podcast and
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  find those two episodes about it.
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  But since then, the situation of course with trade marking common
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  phrases has been front and center this past month.
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  So now there's been this renewed discussion about a creator named
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  Mia Linde who trademarked the term Hot Girls Walk.
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  I believe it was back in 2021. That date might be slightly
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  wrong, but either way, she trademarked it in the past few
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  years. So three days ago, a fitness
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  creator named Deanie posted a video sharing that she was
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  promoting this hot girl walk event in her local area for, you
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  know, her community to come and to go on a hot girl walk all
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  together. And she didn't know the term was
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  trademarked. So she received basically a
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  cease and desist from the platform that she was using to
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  promote the event. Legally I'm not supposed to say
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  this is the hot girl walk. I don't know if you know this,
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  but Hot Girl Walk is trademarked so you're not allowed to use it.
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  I personally didn't know that so when I wanted to host the Hot
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  Girl walk event they told me to take it down immediately.
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  So instead this is a high temperature woman walk which got
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  the message across and in my opinion was a lot better.
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  This was a free community walk with girls in the DMV area.
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  It was such a beautiful day for a walk and after we got to
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  socialize, eat, drink and get refreshments from Alpa Foods.
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  We're so excited to host the next one, so make sure you
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  follow us for upcoming dates. The platform had been sent this
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  cease and desist I believe to take the promo down.
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  So she actually put this on screen.
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  Let me read a section of it from you.
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  So it says, hey Deanie, hope all is well.
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  We've received a copyright infringement report related to
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  your event. Get your hot girl walk in The
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  report specifically states Hot Girl Walk LLC owns multiple
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  registered trademarks in the United States, including
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  trademarks and lists of trademarks for class 41, which
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  prohibits others from hosting a Hot Girl walk event.
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  Hot Girl Walk LLC is requesting that the event be removed from
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  your site. We want to give you the
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  opportunity to remove or change the event details.
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  Please take a moment to resolve this within 24 hours.
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  Given we were all very heightened around the hot girl
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  trademark stuff right now, her video went quite viral.
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  I imagine that is why it went quite viral at least.
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  And Mia who has trademarked the term actually commented on it so
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  she wrote. This is so shady for no reason
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  lol. I actually coined the phrase
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  Hawk Girl Walk and filed A trademark shortly after posting
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  my first video. And I host events all around the
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  world for free for women. Rather than reaching out to us
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  to maybe collab or do research before infringing on my brand,
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  you post this video which is not in fact giving women supporting
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  women. I mean, I just think it is true
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  that she didn't know that Demi didn't know that Hawk Girl Walk
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  was trademarked. OK, so she responded to this
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  comment with a video and here's what she said.
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  So this is Mia, the woman who trademarked and copyrighted Hawk
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  Girl Walk. And I don't know at what point
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  my video seemed kind of shady. Maybe it was in the beginning
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  where I said that legally I'm not supposed to call it a Hawk
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  Girl Walk, which is true. I'm not because you would come
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  for me and all the girls that were there because I started off
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  as hot girl walk. All the girls that came there
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  knew it was a hot girl walk to begin with, so I wasn't going to
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  continue saying this was a hot girl walk.
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  I had to let them know that I'm changing the name and I can't
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  use it anymore. The other shady thing I would
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  probably think in the video was that I said that the name was
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  better. I mean, if I think the name that
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  I choose is better, that's a personal opinion.
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  I don't think it was shady at all.
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  Like I said, this video was not coming for you at all.
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  It was just a video that straight went to hey, I can't
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  use this so I'm turning it into something else.
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  If it's shade, if it came off as shade, I apologize because
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  that's not what I intended to. Like, are you in your right to
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  legally copyright, trademark, whatever you want as long as
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  it's available and you can? Yeah, I'm not saying you
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  shouldn't, but 2 two things can be true at the same time.
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  If you can do that, I have every right to also express my
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  frustration and express that like, hey, like I personally
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  don't think it should be trademarket, but you know, it is
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  what it is. I would never bring up race when
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  it comes to this matter. I just think it's so funny how
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  everyone's talking about this, but then like I like it kind of
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  does matter because if you're going to think of a hawk girl
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  anything, it should be making the stallion.
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  I think if anyone originated and coined it, used their creative
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  take on it to come up with this concept, it is making the
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  stallion who is a black woman. And if you're going to trademark
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  or capitalize off hawk or anything, she should get her
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  flowers, she should get her credit.
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  And so the woman who trademarked Hawk Girl Walk is a white woman.
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  And also in a the previous drama, the woman who trademark
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  Hoggle reads a similar situation was also a white woman.
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  So I think it does come into play here.
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  So lots of people are showing support for Dini in the
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  comments, including creator Lowey who wrote Oh brother lol
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  girl you were not shady. Do not let this girl make you
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  feel bad. And also Whitney Simmons who is,
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  you know, a huge fitness influencer.
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  She commented saying she sent me a cease and desist last year
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  crying emojis. I think it's one thing to
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  trademark a phrase, whether you think that's right or wrong,
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  regardless, trade marking a phrase, you're the first one
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  that's done it. You've jumped on it.
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  OK, sure. And if you want to enforce that,
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  obviously you have the right to enforce that.
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  But then to comment on her video and be like, this is shady.
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  You could have reached out to us, you know, instead of
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  infringing on my trademark like that was just like kind of a
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  stretch of an assumption, I think.
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  All right. And the last story that I have
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  for you guys today is I have a Shoshi update.
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  OK, so on June 8th, I covered the situation where TikTok
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  creator Shoshi, she launched this course and a user signed
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  up. Like one of her followers signed
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  up. She was the only person that
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  signed up for the course and she was basically documenting the
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  experience of being inside of Shoshi's course.
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  And you know, the result was that Shoshi was charging, I
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  think it was, it was €97.00. And I think we ended up finding
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  out it was per month and she was basically getting like a handful
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  of voice notes, nothing super concrete in terms of like
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  coursework. And it ended up being a whole
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  mess. It was a very long story.
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  So go back and listen to that episode if you guys want a full
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  recap. But yeah, it definitely blew up
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  for Shoshi in terms of like a bit of a controversy for her.
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  And now she has returned to TikTok and said that she is
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  going to be taking a break from that side of her business.
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  So she wrote on TikTok. Quick update, I've cancelled
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  Podia which is like the I think it was like the voice note
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  platform that she was using for her course and her new standard.
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  So her new standard was the course.
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  I've cancelled the subscription tier for my podcast.
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  I will still be posting podcast episodes, just only the free
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  ones. I actually think this will be
• 19:59
  more motivating focusing on the episodes I know have listeners.
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  If you're the one person who was still subscribed, don't worry,
• 20:05
  your subscription will cancel automatically and if you want to
• 20:09
  message me, I can create a final subscriber episode just for you.
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  So she also had only 1 subscriber.
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  Hyperchar paid Patreon. I really like that she's so
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  honest about this. Like, I know she gets made fun
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  of a lot and people kind of see her as like a meme, like a
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  troll. Like she is definitely camp.
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  Like if she is like so campy and so iconic in some ways and so
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  unhinged and delusional in other ways.
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  But like, you know, you got to appreciate her honesty.
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  She continues. The book is happening.
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  I've signed the contract and I've started writing.
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  I'm choosing to double down on what's already working, run with
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  opportunities that I'm receiving rather than anything that feels
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  forced and do what I love and what is also bringing joy to my
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  life. I will also be going back to
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  YouTube. It will be more lifestyle, slow,
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  spiritual, not all fashion. Basically everything's centered
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  around elevating your life and making it better.
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  Oh my God, when we, we did make a video like a TikTok about this
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  Shoshi situation on the new mini scroll TikTok account and there
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  were so many comments. It went like a little bit viral.
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  Well, for a new account, it went like viral and there were so
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  many comments about how she always says elevated.
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  I guess she's always like, this is so elevated.
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  This is going to really elevate your look.
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  I also want to record new experiences and adventures
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  there. It will be a place for deeper
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  content more aligned with who I really AM.
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  I think that's it over and out. You know, I think that this is
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  the right move. I think it double down on the
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  free content girl and then when you have more of a culty
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  following of people that are following you, whether they're
• 21:35
  following you because they think that you're like camp and fun or
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  because they genuinely are interested in like what you have
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  to say. Regardless, I think building
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  that culty following that just goes beyond like people like
• 21:47
  almost goes beyond like voyeurism.
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  Like I think that's what's happened to a lot of like the
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  early Tik Tokers, which I know she was, because early TikTok
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  really rewarded like larger than life personalities, like really
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  quirky personalities. And I think it's an easy trap to
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  fall into where these people end up becoming more like meme
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  follows than, you know, people following them for like the
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  culti vibes. So you know what, she's doing
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  the right thing, doubling down on the free content and maybe
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  building up that like cult to your fan base through the
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  different channels that she's releasing where people can
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  become more parasocial with her, I guess.
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  Anyways, guys, that's it for Mini scroll today.
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  Thank you so much for listening. I love you guys.
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  Please rate review and subscribe.
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• 22:32
  mental health week off Hopefully I can actually rest and relax
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  and be Zen, but I will talk to you the week after that.
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