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- 0:00Being the 12-year-old wanting to play basketball on the middle school basketball team,
- 0:04then when I started playing, I started having these massive chest pains.
- 0:08I wanted to find out I have a hole in my heart, the size of a quarter.
- 0:11Keon Henderson is the founder and senior pastor of the Lighthouse Church in Houston,
- 0:14leading a community of over 15,000 members and reaching hundreds of thousands online each week.
- 0:19My mom took me to church six months later. That machine was off me and I was playing basketball.
- 0:24God is the source, but he also leads you as the scripture says to paths.
- 0:30So you still have human responsibility in every shift in your life.
- 0:35You just have to be a resilient person, and then you add faith on it, the size of a
- 0:39mustard seed, and then you can move mountains. Starting his ministry journey at just 14,
- 0:43he's also a best-selling author of the shift in lazy love, and the founder of the L3 conference
- 0:48focused on leadership, learning, and lifestyle. I get that question all the time, people say,
- 0:52yeah, but it's hard. It is hard, and that's why everybody doesn't do it. We all are born in
- 0:57an incredible amount of talent. Beyond the pulpit, he's an entrepreneur, motivational speaker,
- 1:03in humanitarian, recognized by the John Maxwell Institute,
- 1:06and nominated for a CNN Heroes Award. In this episode, we explore Keon's powerful journey of
- 1:10purpose, growth, and leading with faith. Sometimes you have to stop fighting the environment,
- 1:15and you have to succumb to it so that you can find your best. If you're going to be a leader,
- 1:19you have to be a reader. You have to feel your best physically to feel your best mentor.
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- 3:23In your book, The Shift, you talk about surviving transitions in life. I think this is very,
- 3:28very applicable to everyone right now. It feels like they're, their fundamentals have been
- 3:32uprooted over the past five years, but you grew up in poverty and Gary and Deanna.
- 3:37You didn't know your father who was actually your pastor, and then eventually you became the
- 3:42founding member of, I think these numbers are old, but over 20,000 people in your congregation and
- 3:48your church. So you've gone through all these shifts yourself, massive shifts. And there's a lot
- 3:53I left out we're going to talk about as well. But if you think about your life, what was one of
- 3:59the shifts that you went through that helped you realize that life's seemingly painful transitions
- 4:08could actually be transformational opportunities. Man, I think every one of the shifts did that.
- 4:14Let me think back to the first one. The first shift that I ever remember was being the 12 year old
- 4:23wanting to play basketball on the middle school basketball team. Now remember telling my mom
- 4:29that I finally wanted to play basketball. She supported it. And then when I started playing,
- 4:34I started having these massive chest pains and didn't know what that was all about.
- 4:41We didn't have health insurance. You know, I had never been to a doctor. So what we did in our
- 4:48houses, like you just you tried to figure a way around every sickness. And so it wasn't going
- 4:56to the doctor, wasn't an automatic assumption. So we just tried to figure it out. It kept happening,
- 5:01kept happening. Every time I would play basketball, shortness of breath, this sharp chest pain,
- 5:05go to the doctor. I wanted to find out that I have a hole in my heart, the size of a quarter.
- 5:12And so the doctor told my mother that I would never be a very active kid, that I would never be
- 5:19able to play basketball things of that nature. That was the first shift. And I remember telling my
- 5:24mom, very young, like mom, we need to get a second opinion. But we need somebody else to tell us
- 5:30if we can do this because like I feel like I can do this. I feel like I'm supposed to. I love,
- 5:35love the game. Like I can't tell you how much I loved it. So we were able to get a second opinion.
- 5:43And the doctor put a monitor on me. So I was the kid in school walking around the hallways with
- 5:49this big strap. You know, think the technology wasn't so good. Then this huge strap around my
- 5:55shoulder, like a man purse, right? And it's got this big, huge mechanical device hanging from
- 6:03the side. And every time I felt a chest pain, I had to hit a button. And that was it recording what
- 6:10was happening. And I remember, man, I remember when it first got on, I was pushing that button all
- 6:16the time and I would cry. And I'm never going to play basketball. Long story short, I don't know
- 6:22what happened. My mom took me to church, had people at church pray over me. And six months later,
- 6:30that machine was off me and I was playing basketball. And I was on the beat. I was on the beat
- 6:35team, right? I was on the beat team. I wouldn't get on the on the A team by eventually left college as
- 6:42a starter at a division one school. So that was my first big shit starting out being told I wouldn't
- 6:47be able to play leading out one of the best on my team. And so that was that was a big shit for me.
- 6:55That's huge. That's absolutely huge. Most people, I mean, you've gone through a lot of
- 7:00a lot of difficulty in your life. I think that most people, when they think about these, you know,
- 7:07these types of stressful life situations that that happened to all of us, I think that most people
- 7:14don't look at them as transformation opportunities. They look at them and they run away as far as
- 7:20quick as possible. Or if they can't run away from them, what ends up happening is they let that
- 7:26thing rewrite their story in the worst way possible. Wow. Wow. That's huge. That's huge.
- 7:33Because you do have, you do have two options. Fear can make you forget everything you're on.
- 7:42Right? F-E-A-R. That's what fear can do. It can make you face reality and recognize that
- 7:48this is an opportunity. And that's really, and I know you know this, that's really the only
- 7:54difference between those who are successful and those who are not. Those who won in life
- 7:59went through their circumstance with optimism. And those who didn't went through it with pessimism.
- 8:05That's really the secret. And everybody's trying to read books and find out, well, how did,
- 8:10you know, how did such and such do this? And, you know, they'll look at you and try to figure out
- 8:14how did you get a successful podcast? Well, you just kept going when everybody else quick,
- 8:19right? I'm sure that that were moments where, you know, the numbers were not where you wanted
- 8:23them to go. But you just kept going. 100 percent, dude. Yeah. So you forget everything you run.
- 8:28Are you you face everything and realize that that you can do it? Let's answer sort of the elephant
- 8:34in the room. Obviously, obviously, it's easier said than done to have something negative happen
- 8:44to you and just realize that this could be a blessing, right? It's just it's nice to talk about
- 8:48it on a podcast. But when people come to you and they're going through shifts in their life,
- 8:57what is the thing that they have to, or what did you have to lean on
- 9:01to make it through the most difficult parts of the difficult times? What is the thing that
- 9:07is it? Is it God? Is it self-belief? Is it what is the most important idea? Then we'll unpack
- 9:13that a little bit. Yeah. So obviously, for me, as a man of faith, it's going to be God. But I
- 9:18want to make sure that I could tell that with some flexibility and by that, I mean, God is the
- 9:26source. But he also leads you, as the scripture says, to paths. That's Psalms 23. He leads you
- 9:35through paths of righteousness. So you still have human responsibility in every shifting your life.
- 9:42You see, because I'm going to be talking about it. I've got a minister here in California today.
- 9:47And I'm talking about the four stages of a miracle and every one of them required human
- 9:52responsibility. So whether you're a person of faith, or whether you're agnostic, whether you're
- 9:59an atheist, because there are still ways to scale and make money and and make shifts in life.
- 10:05Without God, I'm not saying that I believe the outcomes are going to be apropos, but there are
- 10:10a lot of people in the world who have tons of money and never read the Bible, right? So when you
- 10:17when you boil it down to what does it take to make it through the physical aspect of life,
- 10:26human responsibility that there is no mystical formula, not even for those of us who believe in God.
- 10:33We don't just lift our heads and say, hey, God, you know, send a million dollars and it just
- 10:38comes out of the sink when we turn the water on. You're still going to have to put the axe to the
- 10:43grind. You still got to work. You still have to believe. You still have to be self-motivated.
- 10:49You still have to be self-driven. You still have to navigate life's transitions.
- 10:53You still have to be resilient. You still have to find purpose. And none of that
- 11:00is either existing or non-existent because I'm a man of faith. So when you ask me the question,
- 11:05what do I tell people? I don't care what you believe in. These are things you're going to have to do.
- 11:10These are things you're going to have to do. There is a, you know, a Christian dollar bill and a Muslim
- 11:18dollar bill. You know what I mean? Good point. You know, there is it. There is an abutist
- 11:24resilience and a agnostic resilience. You just have to be a resilient person.
- 11:32And then you add faith on it, the size of a must-forced, and then you can move mountains.
- 11:37Do you think that some people, this will be a question, I guess, for people that are
- 11:42very religious? Do you think that sometimes you see people using religion as a crutch, as opposed
- 11:48to having all of the other components in navigating hard times? Do you think that there has to be
- 11:54this beautiful balance of both? I think it has to be a beautiful balance. And when I hear you say
- 12:00the word crutch, I would summarize it by saying that I think that there are some folks who use their
- 12:09relationship with God as a way of not having to show up for themselves. Right? So it's like, hey,
- 12:16God, I give an example, there's a miracle in a Bible man that's been laying on the bed for 38
- 12:20years. There are some who would use their relationship with God to say, hey, God, come and pick me up
- 12:27off of this bed. I've been here for 38 years. But the story says that Jesus tells the man,
- 12:32pick up your bed and walk, human responsibility. So even though God was there, God didn't pick him up
- 12:38nor did he pick up the bed. He told him to pick up the bed because God has to make sure that we have
- 12:46the faith, the drive, the resilience, and the purpose to continue to move even in moments where
- 12:52we cannot feel him. So yes, I think a lot of folks will use their relationship with God to be an
- 13:00end or be all but and I know it'll be a controversial statement, but I can go through, Scott, I can go
- 13:05through every miracle in the Bible and prove that human responsibility was necessary. Okay,
- 13:10let's take the one that everybody knows, Jesus turns water to wine. But what does he tell them? He
- 13:15says, go and bring the water pots to me. Human responsibility. He didn't bring the water pots to the
- 13:23you go bring the water pots to me and then I'll do it. The man who was blind, God tells them,
- 13:28you have to go wash your eyes and the pool. The man who had the hand that was atrophy, God says,
- 13:34you have to stretch your hand. The woman who had the issue of blood, she went 12 years trusting
- 13:41doctors until she got to Jesus and he says to her, hey, do you want to be me? Oh, she says to
- 13:46herself, if I could just touch the him of his garment, see human responsibility. If I could touch
- 13:51the him of his garment, I'll be me. Oh, there is a human component, no matter what your faith is,
- 13:57to all transition, resilience, breakthrough and purpose, there is always a human component that's
- 14:02necessary. I love that. I think that's such an important message too. I think that before we even
- 14:07get further, well, we were even just talking about before we press record. You mentioned that
- 14:13this book, the shift, this is a re-release of a book that you put out, he's a four years ago,
- 14:19and you've written other, I mean, you've written other books since and I thought that was an interesting
- 14:24story. How people will bring you some of the other books you've written or the book signing for
- 14:29one of the other books, but then they'll bring you this book and they'll be like, this changed my
- 14:32life. Like, please sign this, you know, this has been incredible. So I think that it's interesting to
- 14:38touch on sort of the anatomy of what a shift is, why it's so important, why this idea resonates with
- 14:46so many people. I'm sure you have, I'm sure you have a couple thoughts because there's something about
- 14:50the idea of a shift of going through these massive transformative moments in your life that is so
- 14:58powerful that literally out of all the incredible work you do, people are still saying, hey,
- 15:02this was the book that had the most impact on my life. Why do you think that is?
- 15:06Yeah, because I think that the one thing that is inevitable in all of our lives, we want to all be rich,
- 15:13we want to all be poor, we want to all be born black, we want to all be born white, we want to all be
- 15:18affluent, we want to all be struggling, everybody won't be fit, everybody won't be not fit, but we
- 15:27all will go through a transition. I don't care what spectrum you follow. You could live in the heels
- 15:36of Hollywood or you can live on the streets of Gary and Deanna where I came from, you're going to
- 15:43go through a shift. So embracing change as opposed to resisting change is the emphasis that the
- 15:52books put on because change is inevitable, but not only is it inevitable, it's necessary.
- 15:58It's necessary. The tree can't spare C forever, right? The oak tree can't stay in acorn forever. If
- 16:06you stay in the original form of which you were planted, you'll never flourish into what you were
- 16:12meant to be. So in this book, I'm encouraging the readers to lean into the shift rather than to
- 16:18resist it. One of my mentors tells me a story about his brother who when he was younger,
- 16:24he used to ride motorcycles and his wife used to ride motorcycles with him and you probably
- 16:29know this guy is like, when you are on the back of a bike or motorcycle with somebody, you have to
- 16:34lean the same direction as them. You know, my wife and I will go jet skiing and she all really
- 16:41like the water. So I'm going left and she's leaning right. I'm like, no, you got to lean with me this
- 16:46way because if you don't lean with the tur, you'll tip it. It's the same way with life. If you don't
- 16:54lean into the change, if you don't lean into the tur, then you're going to tip the boat and you have
- 17:01to trust that every season has a purpose and you got to lean into it. It makes sense. It's very
- 17:07scary when you're living it. Why do people not lean into it? I love this idea. Get out of your
- 17:21comfort zone. You have to go through these hard periods of your life to get on the other,
- 17:26everything worth doing is on the other side of hard work, hard conversation. All these ideas
- 17:33are so powerful. Yet people still shy away from them their entire life. So these ideas, these
- 17:41ideas, people know them. They know that there's going to be change in shifts in their life. But for
- 17:47some reason, we negotiate with ourselves. We negotiate with ourselves until we die. So there is a
- 17:53huge mental block when somebody stays in a job or a relationship or in a circumstance that does
- 17:57not serve them quite literally until they're no longer on this earth. What is this block? What's
- 18:05what's going on? Yeah, I think there are several blocks. That's a question that I can see a
- 18:09Lego amount of Legos. It could be the block of, you know, imposter syndrome. It could be the block
- 18:19of inadequacy and insecurity. It can be the block of character versus personality. So none of us
- 18:27have the same block, but here's the deal. I get that question all the time. People say, yeah,
- 18:32but it's hard. It was hard for the person who did it. It's it is hard. And that's why everybody
- 18:38doesn't do it. It is hard. And that's why everybody doesn't reach it. It is hard, which is why
- 18:45they are all stars in basketball and people who sit at the end of the bench and have to cheer.
- 18:52We all are born within an incredible amount of talent, right? For those of us. And I'm not
- 19:00talking about people who were born with and God blesses with the severity of a handicap, right?
- 19:06Are something that holds them back. I'm talking about folks who can actually function psychologically
- 19:13in their everyday life without the assistance of, you know, medical attention. Obviously,
- 19:19we understand that there are some folks in life who have been disadvantaged. But if you,
- 19:24and everybody's watches social media now, there are folks who were born disadvantaged,
- 19:30who've gotten the slightest edge on folks who don't have disadvantages.
- 19:35I mean, I can't think of the guy's name. He spoke for me one time. I wish I could think of him. He
- 19:39has no legs. Nick had neck sat in the stomach. Nick spoke for me at a conference. And literally,
- 19:46he's from Florida. I know him. Wow. Incredible. He inspired me so much. Nick, I never,
- 19:54I never met Nick. I just saw him online and had our team to reach out to him. This guy is an
- 20:01itinerant speaker like he's everywhere around the world. He somehow thought it kind enough
- 20:07to come to our church and spoke sat on the edge of a step at our stage with no lyrics, a partial
- 20:15arm and tore the room upside down and is quite honestly making huge amounts of money right now,
- 20:28speaking all over the world, who literally could have said, I have no legs and no arms.
- 20:35And so I'm not going to do anything. That's what I mean by leaning into the ship. He took what he
- 20:40had. He leaned into it and he made something of himself. Folks listening today, I understand it
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- 23:54You started your your story and your book and you spoken about this before
- 23:58confronting your pastor asking if you was your father. That's that's an interesting
- 24:05that's an interesting way to start off your story because that's a massive shift. That's a massive
- 24:10you know, breaking outside your comfort zone. That's a massive difficult conversation.
- 24:14So what did that shift teacher? It taught me that I have to be brave because I was so scared.
- 24:25I was so scared. I thought if he rejects me, I'm going to crumble. If he
- 24:30if he denies it, then he's telling me my mother's a liar because she's the one that told me he was.
- 24:39I had all of the anxiety you could imagine. But I manned up Scott at 12 years old and went up to a
- 24:47fully grown man who I had tremendous amounts of respect and fear for as a pastor. And I looked
- 24:55him in his face and I said, are you my father? And within three seconds that man said yes.
- 25:04And so it taught me courage because I got my first big yes because I wasn't too afraid not to
- 25:13receive a no. Yeah. In fact, I tell folks that you normally have to go through nine
- 25:20nose to get to one yes. So you have to calculate it in your mind that whatever you're seeking,
- 25:26whatever you're seeking to find out, wherever you need the validation from, whether it's for me,
- 25:30it was a father for you may it may be an income level. For somebody else, it may be a million
- 25:37subscribers on YouTube. For somebody else, it may be the corner office. Do I go in interview
- 25:43for the for the next position above me? Whatever it is, you have to be willing to be told no
- 25:50to get to a yes. If the only answer you want is yes, there's stay at home and give them to
- 25:56yourself. But if you step out in that real world, somebody's going to tell you no, but you don't
- 26:00stop at that. You lean into it. You lean into it. And it's like, you know, when I was in the eighth
- 26:07grade, I never were forget I played for an AAU team. And we went to the Rattleson Hotel in
- 26:15Mayorville, Indiana. I couldn't swim. I couldn't swim. So all of the kids was all my brothers on the
- 26:22basketball team. They were in the swimming pool jumping around. It's got I can't swim. So I'm standing
- 26:26back. One key comes and pushes me in. First is me in the deep end of the pool. And I'm just fighting
- 26:33for my life. I'm screaming and I'm getting me out of it. Give me out going up. And it was only about
- 26:41eight feet. So I was able to hit the bottom and then jump up. And I heard one of the lifeguards
- 26:48said, stop fighting. Stop fighting. I didn't realize that he wasn't going to jump into the water
- 26:58while I was fighting because I could have drowned both of us. So knock him out or you pull him down.
- 27:03Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know it at the time. He waited until I relaxed. And the moment I relaxed,
- 27:08he had me out of the water in what seemed like five seconds. Sometimes you have to stop fighting
- 27:14the environment and you have to succumb to it so that you can find your bearings. And then when
- 27:21you're brought out, you come out with more knowledge like I'm talking to you about, I didn't learn
- 27:27that in swimming class. I learned it in a drowning incident. So there are some things you learn in the
- 27:32fight that you don't learn on the shore. So you got to lean into it. You got to lean into it.
- 27:38I didn't learn that sitting in the lawn chair. I didn't learn that I can still see the hotel
- 27:43right now. I can still see the seats. I can still see the kidney shape swimming pool. I can still see
- 27:48the waterfall coming down the rocks. I went there for that. I left there with this story.
- 27:55There I went for enjoyment. I left with a testimony. So you have to lean into it. But you have to
- 28:01survive it. So when people have the courage to lean into these shifts and they lean into them
- 28:09again and again and again until they get to the yes or they get to the desired outcome,
- 28:16I always thought that that would be sort of a good proof point that if you lean into the
- 28:23uncomfortable for a long enough period of time, you're going to get to the other side of it.
- 28:27But one thing that you mentioned and I'm curious what you mean by this and I believe that it's
- 28:32probably because two ideas can be true at the same time. So you describe that life is a series of
- 28:37shifts, but you can't build your life on your last shift. And that's interesting because I would
- 28:44have thought the last shift is proof that taking risks and doing the hard uncomfortable things
- 28:51actually can work. But you're saying you can't just rest on that. What do you mean by that?
- 28:56I mean that. So yeah, I'm a sports guy. And it's it comes from a sports background like
- 29:03Coach Bobby Miles, my high school coach, you would always tell us you're no good, no better than
- 29:07your last win. So I was taught. I was taught that like, okay, you won. You won the last game,
- 29:13but you don't show up the next game as a winner. You're not automatically guaranteed to win
- 29:21the next game because you won the last game. You show up as a competitor, the next game,
- 29:25and you have to prove that you're a winner again. And then you get past that and then you show up
- 29:30at the next game and you have to prove that you are a winner again. Every game starts 0-0.
- 29:37So you don't walk in the room with a with a head start because you won the last shift, right?
- 29:43So you embrace change, but you also overcome setbacks. And like you said, they both have to be true
- 29:48at the same time because the mindset that calls the problem that you have is not going to be the
- 29:57same mindset that solves the issue that you have. You know, it's it's the mindset that you have
- 30:04that calls the current problem that you are now facing. You cannot solve the problem you are facing
- 30:11with the same mindset that caused it. So then you have to shift. You have to think about
- 30:19a bigger perspective or collaboration. Who do I need to collaborate with to overcome this?
- 30:28Some people need accountability partners. Who is a person that I will allow in my life
- 30:33to encourage me when I can't encourage myself? Right? Who's whatever you have to life hack yourself.
- 30:39You've got to you've got to figure out who you are. And then you got to put in place what's
- 30:44necessary to not only help you to accomplish the next version of yourself, but not to atrophy and
- 30:50become who you escaped. Right? So I'm looking at you. The last time I spoke to you,
- 30:57this wasn't the background you have for the pocket. No, it wasn't. It wasn't. So this says to me,
- 31:03this is tremendous growth from what I saw last time. And I'm thinking about
- 31:08when you designed that somebody built it, I can tell you exactly what happened and you not
- 31:12mentioned to me. That was a blank wall. They took those shelves. They had to paint them. You had
- 31:18to tell them what you wanted to look like. Your interior designer found all of those individual
- 31:22pieces, placed them. She said, no, the book looks here. I'm gonna put the clock here. All of that
- 31:27was placed. That takes vision and collaboration. Right? So what people are looking at and folks
- 31:35who are watching this right now, I want you to look at that wall behind Scott. I want you to look
- 31:39at it. It took hours to find all of those pieces didn't come out of the same store. The person
- 31:46who designed that over here, over here, over here, over here, over here, and it takes time to do that.
- 31:52You know, and you always want it done quicker than they are finished. And you like, what has taken
- 31:56them so long and I tell folks all the time, never look at somebody else's job and assume how long
- 32:03it's going to take until you've done it yourself, you'll never realize how hard it is.
- 32:06What do you say to people who do achieve and to go through a shift?
- 32:14But they're still hard on themselves. So the idea is you're moving your own goalposts.
- 32:19Too much. So again, two ideas have to be true at the same time. Shifts have to happen.
- 32:25But that person saw us to have grace and celebrate where they came from.
- 32:29Oh my God. So huge. Because I'm a big proponent of self-talk. Like, you have to talk to yourself
- 32:41because this world is so noisy. This is so noisy. It can discourage you. Oh my God. I mean,
- 32:49you can look on social media and and make an assumption about somebody's numbers or somebody's life
- 32:56or somebody's matriculation. And you can be discouraged because you'll look at yourself and like,
- 33:00and I've been at this for so long and I'm not, you know, I'm not scaling. I'm not, I'm not growing.
- 33:05But you have to pause and think, man, I'm not where I want to be, but I am not where I used to be.
- 33:12Right. And I've got to, I've got to celebrate in the middle, at least I didn't quit. At least I
- 33:22didn't completely fail our fall apart. And I read this once before, even if you did fail,
- 33:28the definition of failure, I never will forget it. I was at a barber shop in Fort Wayne, Indiana.
- 33:34And I never will forget. I saw it on a barber shop written in dry erase marker. It said failure
- 33:40is the opportunity to begin again with increased intelligence. I read that as a kid. And it's
- 33:46it's say what you feel like. That's a good quote. That is a good quote. Massive. That's a
- 33:51fire quote has been with me for 30 years in a barbershop reading a dry erase marker board.
- 33:59Because one of the ideas in your book is discussing how like some shifts they require us to
- 34:04acknowledge limitations. But that's empowering to a degree. And I think that's what that's what
- 34:11that quote means to me. Yeah, I absolutely love that. Like acknowledging limitations. It's clarifying
- 34:23because then we know where we have to work. But if we don't lean into the shift, sometimes we're
- 34:27super ignorant of our own shortcomings. And they're only made aware to us when we're doing
- 34:33the uncomfortable stuff. Imagine what you say. Yeah. Imagine what you said about
- 34:38acknowledging limitations. You and I are driving up what's the what's the street Miami that's over
- 34:46above the one. What is Collins? Is that is yeah. Okay. So you and I are driving up Collins. And you are
- 34:53in a Ferrari. I am in a Honda Civic. What business do I have pulling up side of you
- 35:05threatening a race? I have to recognize the abilities of what you have and the limitations of what
- 35:12I have. And what I do is I prevent myself from incurring a loss that is unnecessary by
- 35:20recognizing the equipment that I have and recognizing the equipment that you have. There's no
- 35:25need to even try. And I think that some people think that faith and that hard work and ingenuity
- 35:34means walking around as if reality isn't real. There's some things that just real. I would never
- 35:41recommend a turtle to taunt a cheetah. This would recommend. I don't care how tough you are.
- 35:48There's just something you lead to somebody else and you fight the race. That's the set that's
- 35:55the set before you, right? You you you fight the game that's in your purview and you win that one
- 36:02and guess what? You get better. And then you can challenge on the next level, but you have to win
- 36:08where you are before you can be where you want to go. If the win where you are for you can be where
- 36:14you want to go. When you're going through when you're going through a shift, you speak about
- 36:22the danger of getting stuck in your shift. What does that mean? I got that from my wife and I
- 36:29went to Las Vegas one time and they have these things you can write called slingshots. You know,
- 36:35the three wheel part. Like a like a sand buggy. Yeah. Yeah. We look everywhere we go. We find some
- 36:44sand buggy or ATV something I bought. We love to have a good time. And we were driving
- 36:52up Las Vegas Wheel of Art with these slingshots and she didn't know it because I tried to hide it
- 36:57from her that I didn't know how to drive a stick shift. I've never had I never had. First of all,
- 37:02my mother didn't have a car growing up and then we did it was automatic. So I never drove a shift.
- 37:09My wife, her father told her how to drive a shift and she's just out here just shifting and I'm like,
- 37:13I'm going to keep up with this girl, but I can't do it. So she kept looking back and she looks
- 37:18back at me one time and I had pulled over to the gas station because I had given up. I could not
- 37:23figure out how to get out of first. And that story prompted me to talk about getting stuck in shifts.
- 37:32Like when you when you don't recognize what powers you have and what powers you don't have,
- 37:39when you don't recognize that you have to embrace change and not resist it, when you don't
- 37:44recognize that you have to overcome setbacks and not succumb to them, when you don't recognize
- 37:49that faith and trust in God is the way out of some of these things, then you you're over on the
- 37:54side of the road, stuck in the gear because you either don't believe or haven't sought advice
- 38:04on how to get out of that that gear. So I asked her finally swallowing my pride,
- 38:11how do you get out of this? She said you have to push the I believe if I'm saying it correctly,
- 38:19you have to push the gear that's associated with the shifter and the brake class, the clutch,
- 38:27you have to you have to press those. I did not know I'm doing it with one foot, you know,
- 38:32I got one foot like an like an automatic car. Yeah, I'm almost embarrassed to say I didn't know
- 38:38what to do. I look down there said, what do we have three? I'd never driven a stick in my life.
- 38:43Don't don't be embarrassed. I don't think I don't think many people know how to you know,
- 38:47change a tire, your drive stick. I don't think I don't think it's like a common skill,
- 38:53so don't don't be embarrassed. Had no idea. That lady told me how to drive that stick ship
- 38:58in the matter of two minutes and we drove to the Hoover Dam all the way over there on these
- 39:05slingshots because I yelled for help when I could not shift. I pulled over didn't didn't keep going
- 39:16because I grind it Scott so long and I couldn't catch up with it. Just pulled over. How do you
- 39:22know when how do you know when that right moment is to to ask for help? Not not on like a small
- 39:28trivial idea, like not like a small thing where you should put the work and figure it out but like
- 39:34I don't know relationship switch career start a business marry someone break up with someone
- 39:42these are major shifts right and there's a lot of other ones you know for things that are affecting
- 39:48your life health like maybe you don't have the treatment available to you where you are so you
- 39:53gotta go to a different city different country spend lots of money like do you bring people into
- 40:01these decisions right away you try and navigate it yourself first what do you what do you recommend?
- 40:06I think the the most efficient way we all are going to try to navigate it ourselves I
- 40:12again person as a man of faith I invite God in from the beginning um but this is when you know you
- 40:17need a shift you know you need a shift when it causes you stress time energy and money
- 40:23and when you're when you have copious amounts of stress you're losing time you have no energy
- 40:29that is costing you money then you need a new system and you need to find some folks who can
- 40:34help you to build it because it is difficult to do anything alone right it's difficult to do
- 40:40anything alone and even when you think you're doing it alone you're not doing it alone somebody's
- 40:45about to have to come alongside and help you for instance again with the podcast folks don't know
- 40:50you've got a camera setup they don't know you have a switcher back there they don't know you've
- 40:53got a computer connected to all they can see is the lens and if you have to get up right now
- 40:58to service any of those things you're not on camera if you get up right now to go switch the
- 41:03angle you got so in order to do it from a multi-layer perspective has to be somebody else in the room
- 41:08to do it for you otherwise we have to stay with this angle and I would say that anybody who wants
- 41:14to scale it life from multiple angles diversify your income structures diversify your portfolio
- 41:21you're going to need some collaborative efforts you're going to and you're going to have to do
- 41:25something that you probably struggle to do because of what life is done and let's trust somebody
- 41:30other than you that's tough I you deal with it in business all the time I mean I deal with entrepreneurs
- 41:34who can't delegate don't don't feel comfortable hiring who don't feel comfortable giving people
- 41:38access to the things that they've built but it's not it's not just a visit the business ideas they
- 41:44all translate into into relationships into into mental health into physical health everybody wants
- 41:50to go out of the loan my favorite my favorite idea is that nobody is self-made like like self-made
- 41:56is fake it's it's false it doesn't it doesn't exist not a single person but we all go out we all
- 42:03have ego right you do yeah and ego I read somewhere before said ego it means to edge got out
- 42:13right it's it's it's it's this idea that I can do it alone it's impossible it's impossible nobody
- 42:21and I agree with you and you hear people almost self-made millionaire how did you forget the teacher
- 42:26that taught you arithmetic yeah what about your customers what about your customers right what about
- 42:33your critics because you learned from them too yeah I think that I think that ego this is what I
- 42:43believe I said you know like when you have something on the top of your head and you just keep
- 42:47bringing it up right now that now that I'm speaking to somebody who who works with God on the
- 42:52regular I'm gonna get your opinion on this because I've spoken to a lot of people that do not work
- 42:56with God about this and they generally agree I think that secularism in society and lack of God in
- 43:04society has avoid has been filled with ego and I think that ego and believing that you are the
- 43:11most important thing on this earth is the most damaging to society your own development relationships
- 43:20career success however you want to define it I think that humility and removing ego is a single
- 43:27most important thought that that especially people who do not believe in some version of God have
- 43:35have to start understanding yeah I just brought it up on my on my laptop here the Bible says a
- 43:42second Timothy chapter three verse two it says that when when the end times come one of the ways
- 43:49we will know is that people will become lovers of themselves so that's that's that's one of the
- 43:58tail tail alerts that we're in trouble because people are increasingly
- 44:11becoming lovers of themselves and and Paul says that's how you know you're in the last days
- 44:17and it if you if you look around everybody's going at it alone everybody's going at it alone
- 44:24and and then you go back to the book of Genesis where the scriptures explicitly say that God did
- 44:30not create man to be alone so that's why COVID was so destructive because everybody was alone
- 44:40and and the mental health epidemic that we're in right now and people can ignore all they want
- 44:46the mental health epidemic is as serious as the COVID pandemic yeah I agree yeah it's because
- 44:55an idol mind is the devil's workshop like do you know what is being done to a person who has a
- 45:05idol solitary solitude mindset I can do it I'm it I'm the one um that makes for a hard existence
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- 48:59i really appreciate it i think that we don't have community the way that we used to have
- 49:03we don't have we don't we don't feel i mean everybody now is so transactional so when they're
- 49:09dealing with like bringing it back to to this particular idea going through shifts if your whole
- 49:14life you feel like you're alone then you're gonna go through these shifts alone too and your
- 49:18chance to success is is fraction insignificant compared to if you had you know a community a team
- 49:27a family a group of people that actually loved and cared about you behind you and i think that
- 49:32covid just was like nail in the coffin of everyone's isolated and maybe you have a couple
- 49:38close friends but even then during covid it tested those because you couldn't even see them
- 49:43i don't know i i feel like i feel like everyone is there and and i think that i'm speaking from
- 49:49sort of my generation obviously my parents generation they had much closer a friendship because
- 49:54nothing was really built online it was all built in person but now people are building relationships
- 49:59that younger generations building relationships online and i think that it's scary it's amazing
- 50:04you said that i just i just yeah preach that this past sunday 75% of college students say that they
- 50:10are in a long distance relationship online 50% of people in america were in relationships and that's
- 50:17about 28 million people said they they met their spouse online and have some sort of it's actually a
- 50:25thing it's called ldr long distance relationship so there's an acronym for it so that's that's
- 50:30how real it is right now it's like i'm in an ldr so yeah this bringing it back to sort of your
- 50:36story we we spoke about that one early life shift with your father as as your pastor and and sort
- 50:45of getting the courage 12 years old to have that conversation which is not easy you speak about
- 50:50how shifts reveal something so tell me what that revealed something that you wouldn't have seen
- 50:56or you wouldn't have known before you went through that shift so what did that particular shift
- 51:00show you man you you should be on the TV doing this man you get some provocative questions there
- 51:07do you know i didn't learn um the full lesson of that 12 year old oldness until i was 35
- 51:18so the first thing i want to say to folks is stop expecting every shift to happen every night
- 51:26they don't happen every night and they don't happen overnight some a short term or there's some
- 51:32long term things that come out of these shifts that will change your life i never will forget
- 51:36my daughter was born when i was 30 31 years old and i remember a mentor telling me your heart
- 51:49on your father i mean being hard on him do you know do you know what how much of my life he missed
- 51:56and never came to a basketball game what do you mean hard on everything that i feel about him
- 52:01he deserves so upset with him and this man looked at me and he said
- 52:08when you become a father talk to me okay i will and it wasn't until i became a father
- 52:18that i recognized how difficult of a position my father was in now let me give you the other
- 52:25father's story sky my mother and father conceived me while my father was separated from his wife
- 52:36so his divorce was not finalized i have a younger sister we share both parents so it wasn't just
- 52:45me it was my sister kiana who was born from that union as well long story short my father
- 52:53reconciles his relationship with his wife which now means that he has two children outside of his
- 53:02marriage and he's a pastor that's not easy that is not easy and it wasn't until i became a parent
- 53:13and a pastor and a man and had constituents and members and boards to know that oh my god
- 53:22to come out and say that i was his child meant the possibility of losing his income his life's work
- 53:32and i can hear folks right now listening to me saying so what he you know when you make your bed you
- 53:38have to lie in it true but as difficult as it is for the person who would judge my father's
- 53:44situation as difficult as it is for them to make their shift that was the difficulty that he faced
- 53:50in making that shift and it wasn't until i became a man that i didn't absolve him from it but
- 53:56i understood the difficulty of it and it allowed me to bring more grace to my perspective realizing
- 54:05that that was a very difficult situation to be a very hard situation and i said to myself and i
- 54:12said to him before he passed and he died at 77 years old but i said to him in his sitting room
- 54:24there he had in the house in this lazy boy i looked him in his face and my a minute to late
- 54:2930s and i said to him i said i forgive me for everything that we've ever been through and i
- 54:35asked for your forgiveness because i couldn't have been a better son i didn't have to be angry all
- 54:40these years i didn't have to ignore your calls i didn't have to scout out his bits i was so angry
- 54:46sometimes i said the hell with it i don't i don't want to hear from me i don't want to hear from
- 54:50i don't want to reconcile i don't i don't want to hear your side of the story i was i was so
- 54:55angry as a child and i woke up one day and realized it was hard and that i had
- 55:08every right to forgive him in spite of folks who wanted me to stay mad at him that was my decision
- 55:16i i had a right to say it's okay because you didn't do it to them you did it to me
- 55:25and i get to say it's okay and i get to say i forgive you and i get to tell everybody my mom
- 55:31and my sisters included stop the anger because where has it gotten us where has all of the anger
- 55:39that we spewed in this house over the last 20 years gotten us we drunk the poison and expected in the
- 55:45die it doesn't work that way i changed my approach to him it was so liberating and i believe
- 55:54with everything in my heart that many of the blessings that i look at and see in my life right now
- 56:00is a result of the forgiveness that i gave to a person who in society's perspective
- 56:05probably didn't deserve it but it wasn't their decision to make it was mine it's interesting how
- 56:11when we go through shifts we become selfish and we expect the shift to benefit us and we forget
- 56:19everyone else that that shift impacts very very i think we default to being self centered
- 56:30and i think that when you go through these shifts you have to realize that you don't operate in a
- 56:36silo and the and the journey that you go on i mean yours is an extreme example but the journey that
- 56:43you go on i think you have to be conscious of all the other pieces that it impacts and affects
- 56:49our card agree with that yeah i'm just thinking of like an example of somebody
- 56:58being so self serving that they go on a shift in their career or what i see often is people want
- 57:04to start a business and they go through a difficult shift and then they're upset when their
- 57:11spouse isn't on board with them working 120 hours a week but they quit their job and they're
- 57:17wondering why they're not happy anymore and i don't think that should dissuade you but i think
- 57:25if possible being a little bit less selfish before you decide to take action and just
- 57:31understanding sort of the butterfly effect of all the of the of the shift and the journey that
- 57:37you're going to go on is important it is not just all positive for you that's not how the world
- 57:42works so i can tell just by listening to you talk the huge amount of self motivation self
- 57:54responsibility that your parents put in you like it's ever did that somebody raised you would
- 57:58say it you pick your stuff up by the bootstraps and you pick the job done and you acknowledge the
- 58:04folks who help you along the way otherwise you're going to be on punishment for the rest of the
- 58:08month and because this is what you're every family i can hear it and it's an amazing quality because
- 58:17are the character that we possess are the things that our parents put on the put in us our
- 58:24personalities are the mask that we purchased to be able to survive in society right and so
- 58:32most folks want to be judged on the personality not recognizing that you will be judged on the
- 58:38character the things that are in you see Brooks says in his book from strength the strength he says
- 58:44that most folks are working on resume virtues when you should be working on eulogy virtues
- 58:52right so so most people want to be known and recognized for the resume stuff i was on time i made it
- 58:58i'm a hard worker i don't know it's the it's the eulogy stuff i was trustworthy i was kindhearted
- 59:06i was there those are the things that we we will be judged upon in our shifts um the eulogy
- 59:13stuff not the not the resume stuff i love that that's that's that's that's that's hard that's hard
- 59:21like what are people going to say about you at you know at your funeral i don't think people
- 59:26think that way i don't think most people go through life thinking that way maybe maybe i'm just
- 59:32maybe i'm just pessimistic i don't know you're right you're right and it's it's a shame that more of us
- 59:37don't but these are the the voice and deficits that make society so vitriolic and here's a deal
- 59:45everybody didn't grow up in a loving household like you and i right date some folks
- 59:52um i'm thinking of a young lady in particular she grew up her mother was addicted to drugs
- 1:00:00her mother was murdered murdered by a drug dealer her little brother was in the house
- 1:00:07when the drug dealer murdered her mother and the only way they found out that her mother
- 1:00:12had died is the baby cried for two to three days straight and the neighbor finally sent
- 1:00:19someone over for a well well fair check wellness check only to find out that the next door
- 1:00:23neighbor had been murdered and the young lady that i'm talking about is a good mother is now raising
- 1:00:31that boy which was her brother but raised him as a son is a a nurse at one of the most successful
- 1:00:41hospitals in Houston, Texas and she just so happens to be my god sister so you can't tell me
- 1:00:48what can't happen if you don't just lean into the shift i mean there's somebody whose stories
- 1:00:55is is equally tragic but life is 10% of what happens to you and it is 90% of how you respond to
- 1:01:06and we have way more victims in our society than we have victors a very sad story and next
- 1:01:15the gentleman you're speaking about before with the no legs and and and one arm and the other arm
- 1:01:20is it's not there um his brother he spoke about this publicly and so i don't mind telling this
- 1:01:29story but his brother passed away and overdosed because he felt so bad about Nick's condition
- 1:01:35oh my god isn't that just wow yeah that's when i heard that and then i like i met Nick
- 1:01:43obviously at a at a much later stage in his life when he was already thriving and he speaks
- 1:01:49globally now and he i think he's now in china and Dubai and he's in florid every once in a while
- 1:01:55because he has a house here and i actually spoke at an event that i put on and i was like florid
- 1:01:58like people and i put on an event uh it was basically a room full of people that it sold companies for
- 1:02:05between 50 million and 500 million all exuded entrepreneurs everyone was bawling their eyes out
- 1:02:12everybody was in it everybody like the guy is phenomenal yes i mean two people
- 1:02:18wildly different outcomes one very sad and tragic but the person you had the actual
- 1:02:25difficult physical problem and he doesn't even he's so positive he won't ever call it a problem
- 1:02:32he'll he'll think of some clever way of saying that's the best he's ever happened to him because
- 1:02:36that's just who he is yeah here on he makes more he makes more money and he can tap into some of
- 1:02:42the hardest most logical uh successful entrepreneurs in the work that she didn't do it in front of me
- 1:02:49and and he's just wildly different outcomes i don't even know i can't put his i can't put justice
- 1:02:55to his story because he's just uh he's such an incredible person um but just goes to show you
- 1:03:02you can he's an example him and his brother are extreme examples of leaning into shifts
- 1:03:09into and not and not and anyways absolutely incredible
- 1:03:17for people that for people that uh i'm sure that you may have spoken about this story before but for
- 1:03:25you because i think it's always helpful to to hear from personal experience it's a lot better than
- 1:03:33like theoretical what was the hardest shift that you've gone through in your life and what did
- 1:03:38you learn from it i think it depends on what stage i was in the hardest would have been my father
- 1:03:44um and then the second would have been um i had made up my mind that i was going to play basketball
- 1:03:52for the rest of my life you know i wanted to go overseas my route was i was going to go overseas
- 1:03:58work real hard get caught up by the NBA and uh my coach does know i never will forget um
- 1:04:06i was passing a church in college and somehow through his kindness he allowed me to
- 1:04:13go and leave the church in the morning and then come back and practice right and then go teach
- 1:04:19it was real close i was in a small town so you know you're talking about a 5 and 10 in the drive
- 1:04:23and um he looked at me one day and he said you're going to have to make a decision you're
- 1:04:27going to have to play basketball and you're going to if you're wanting to do this full time and he
- 1:04:31was honest if you're going to do this full time you got to put more effort in it and he said i'm
- 1:04:37not going to make that decision for you because if you want to be a pastor it's going to need everything
- 1:04:42you have but if you're going to do this it's going to need everything you have and so i made a decision
- 1:04:48um that day i said um against middle Tennessee state in Fort Wayne, Indiana at the uh the gate
- 1:04:54center i said um yeah i'm going to stop preaching and i'm going to play basketball
- 1:05:02and that was at four o'clock doing pre-game meal four seven o'clock game
- 1:05:09at seven o'clock the game starts by eight o'clock that night
- 1:05:14i was in the locker room on the stretcher on my way to the hospital because i tore every
- 1:05:18ligament in my left knee that's why i wrote the book the shift because the knee i was
- 1:05:24depending on the gift is what god was depending on and he shifted the thing that i was
- 1:05:30depending on to develop the thing that he was depending on and now i am doing what he called me to do
- 1:05:36because he had a lot of shift in the thing that i wanted to do so and this is the thing this is
- 1:05:46the thing about life nobody gets through it without some test just i don't care where you start
- 1:05:58it's going to get difficult even if you get started at the top climbing another mountain is even
- 1:06:04more difficult it's going to be hard for us all do some people get a leg up absolutely
- 1:06:11that was the hardest shift recently the hardest shift july 8th 2024
- 1:06:19two days after my 43rd birthday my wife and i were enjoying a nice birthday dinner
- 1:06:27and i get a call from someone at the office that says that the hurricane hit our church
- 1:06:34and our north location was completely destroyed by hurricane barrel and to see
- 1:06:43i mean we we purchased it
- 1:06:49and it was in bad condition when we purchased it so everything good about it we did it together
- 1:06:55and to see millions of dollars and thousands and thousands of hours and
- 1:07:03miracles performed and signs and wonders all in that building to see the roof
- 1:07:10um laying in the middle of the floor was just it's so it's traumatic like i can't
- 1:07:16i'll get i'll get i'll never get the images out of my head
- 1:07:19uh and fighting with the insurance company over the last nine months has been
- 1:07:26um the fight of a like this has been a huge huge huge huge shit um i got so many
- 1:07:37i got so many but those are the ones that pop into my head but everyone does everyone has so
- 1:07:43many and and the thing is like in the moment in the moment one thing you do very well like you live
- 1:07:50what you teach is you do not let it rewrite your story you you when you messed up your knee
- 1:08:02you could have been down and out and that could have psychologically you could have spiraled
- 1:08:07and you could have not i mean when when you when when you are saying i'm not going to be a preacher
- 1:08:15i'm going to go play basketball and then that night you mess up your knee
- 1:08:21that could push you farther away from god and preaching the never before because now you have hate
- 1:08:26now you have anger and you're like you know what you know screw screw you i'm not gonna i'm not
- 1:08:32gonna go towards you i'm not gonna i'm not gonna become the preacher because i don't know what you're
- 1:08:38trying to do here but uh this is this is this is this is what i actually wanted and you didn't you
- 1:08:43didn't believe in me like that could be the conversation that you're having it's not but that could
- 1:08:47have been one of the conversations and i think that that's what we have to be careful of when we go
- 1:08:52through a shift it does it just because you lean into a shift doesn't mean that the outcome is
- 1:08:57always gonna be a hundred percent positive and you can't let that rewrite your story and you've
- 1:09:03never you you know you in particular never let that rewrite your story and i think that that's
- 1:09:09what people have to take away what i've always not all positive and all things yeah all things work
- 1:09:14together for my good it don't feel good it doesn't look good but because i believe and when i tell
- 1:09:23you i believe i'm not playing i believe so since i believe i will accept no outcome that doesn't
- 1:09:36work for my good so i'm gonna find a good in the back yeah i'm gonna find a good one other i
- 1:09:43yeah you have to you out even with that what's about what is happening with your church whatever
- 1:09:48you build will be bigger and better and help more people and that's the way you have because
- 1:09:54because if you believe it it will happen because we don't believe it it'll also happen and that's my
- 1:09:59my coach you say success comes in cans not can that's i like that so whatever coaches are the best
- 1:10:06coaches are the best things all they always do if you believe you can you're right if you believe
- 1:10:11you can you're right one more idea that i think is important because he's spoken about these huge
- 1:10:15sort of milestone moments in life but i think it's important to help people recognize shifts
- 1:10:24every single day like the small little things that can have impact they should lean into
- 1:10:29because you you mentioned the shifts occur all around you every single day so what is the practice
- 1:10:34or what is an idea that somebody can internalize so that they can see these shifts and these
- 1:10:40opportunities five times before lunch so here's what i i have a affirmation that i
- 1:10:50keep with me all the time okay and and i just recently changed it i used to have these five
- 1:10:56eggs i used to say you know i control my atmosphere you know i i control my approach right these are
- 1:11:03the things that i would just say to myself and now i'm i'm saying i have the power to empower myself
- 1:11:10i have the empowered embrace the situation so i went from five years to five years and it's
- 1:11:15something simple like i've got this thing and and i believe in it so much let me see if i can
- 1:11:19find it in my phone this is my daughter my daughter's 12 years old before we go to bed every night
- 1:11:24this is what i say to my daughter i say repeat after me i am uniquely created and there is no one like me
- 1:11:31i am deeply loved by my god my parents and myself and she says it after me i tell her my voice
- 1:11:37matters she says my voice matters i say my mistakes don't define me she says my mistakes don't
- 1:11:42define me and then no matter what happens i will always be here for you say that no matter what happens
- 1:11:49you'll always every night now i don't know if she believes it but i know if i keep putting that in
- 1:11:56her spirit in her mind and in her soul one day she's going to have to draw from that and all
- 1:12:03of us don't have a father that gives us that all of us don't have a father that gives us that our
- 1:12:06mother our friend but man you got to you got to borrow me or Scott as a mentor how do you do that go
- 1:12:14online and just borrow us you don't have to know us to get that information you know you borrow a
- 1:12:20person's psychology until you meet him i believe that thought attracts that up on which it is
- 1:12:26directed there's no no mistake that you and i are sitting here talking about our perspectives in
- 1:12:31lives it can say over and over again you know what i agree with that something about how we believe
- 1:12:37and think has brought us together right and and that's the same thing folks that you have to do
- 1:12:43this podcast is actually me in your life this is Scott in your life and and we may not be in your
- 1:12:49living room but we're in your life and you just let these words echo over and over and over and
- 1:12:54over again until you can repeat them with belief and then you become for somebody what you didn't
- 1:13:02have for yourself and i'm going to tell you one of the greatest things you can do for yourself
- 1:13:06is teach what you learn because when you're teaching you're learning more than the students
- 1:13:12i'm learning more right now by saying than this than you are by hearing this
- 1:13:18so so i want you to get in that same position find out who you're going to help
- 1:13:23as a result of the help you received and then you stay on a lifelong journey of servitude
- 1:13:29serve as many people as you can and then be grateful gratitude and servitude are the life hacks
- 1:13:36on how to make it through a shift i serve and i'm grateful i love it i absolutely love it
- 1:13:42what is what is one very important idea from the book but just around shifts that i didn't ask you
- 1:13:51about i think that there are you know what we're saying right now is kind of mystical to people
- 1:13:58right it seems like this unattainable thing i think the thing that we probably
- 1:14:04should leave the folks with is realizing that although what we say seems mystical but there are
- 1:14:11actual practical steps that you have to take in order to do this i think that if you're going to be
- 1:14:19a leader you have to be a reader i don't know of anybody and i'm not saying that it doesn't exist
- 1:14:26but i don't know of anybody who is a massive leader who isn't also a massive reader
- 1:14:33that's one thing number two i think that you have to feel your best physically in order to feel
- 1:14:40your best mentally right and i'm not you know i'm not downgrading anybody but you got it you got
- 1:14:49a move like you you got to put one foot in front of the other you can't you can't be a couch potato
- 1:14:56you can't you know you can't be in the dark room all day you can't you can't just binge watch
- 1:15:01television and expect to be this massive force in the world you got to do something okay you got
- 1:15:07to move you got to you got to have agility and then last but not least which i think is probably
- 1:15:14more important than the first two you got to flat out have some courage you have to be brave
- 1:15:21because you're going to be scared the whole way you're not going to feel like Superman you're
- 1:15:29going to feel like Clark Kent but you still got to go on the phone booth and you got to come out
- 1:15:33with that suit on and you got to show up at life like you believe you can leak a tall building
- 1:15:41in a single bound and you be you be surprised at how life will bow to a person who believes that
- 1:15:46they can conquer so i think that those are our three steps that we leave folks with and obviously
- 1:15:53having their courage to believe it all i love it where can people connect with you obviously the book
- 1:15:57you can get anywhere you can get books i'll put it in the show notes but where else do you want to
- 1:16:00send people yeah you can go to anywhere books a million christian books.com you can get any you
- 1:16:07amazon it anywhere a book is so but to connect with me because i often break down our books and i
- 1:16:13share it in by size content but you got to have the book to know where i where i'm going so follow
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- 1:16:25me i think we're six thousand away from six hundred thousand subscribers on our new channel which
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- 1:16:40with that um you know our website tlhc.org man just type me in my name in google it'll it'll
- 1:16:48lead you to where we are and i'd be glad to have a friend like you uh walk with me alone in journey