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Greg Olsen Breaks Down Analytics On 2-Point Conversions; Ryan Day & Taylor Lewan Square Off; Josh Pate Reacts To Lane Kiffin & CFP Selection Drama · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 1: NFL and now live in Missouri. Greg, Welcome to the show, bro.
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  Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this day since your tweet the
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  Speaker 2: other day. So I'm ready. I'm ready to battle.
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  Speaker 3: What was your tweet the other day?
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  Speaker 1: So? Greg was breaking down the fish just keep it
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  Speaker 1: instead of I sided with JJ Watt. JJ Watt was
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  Speaker 1: got in the comments. Greg was breaking down why you
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  Speaker 1: go for two when you're the Philadelphia Eagles down nine
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  Speaker 1: with like three and some change or four minutes left
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  Speaker 1: on the clock. Greg was battle and he was out
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  Speaker 1: on the front Line's John snow anybody who was ready
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  Speaker 1: for war. He was ready to take the analytical war
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  Speaker 1: to everybody the modern day football game that's being played.
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  Speaker 1: And JJ chimes in under one of his tweets saying
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  Speaker 1: that he completely understands GREG from an analytics standpoint, but
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  Speaker 1: from basically like a human psychology, the momentum and unquantifiable
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  Speaker 1: thing in football. As players, when you're on the sideline,
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  Speaker 1: you don't get the two point conversion, and then you're
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  Speaker 1: just deflated, thinking, well, this pretty much isn't gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: Versus if you kick the field goal and you're down
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  Speaker 1: eight points. In your mind, we're down one possession. We're
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  Speaker 1: down one possession. Defense, we get the ball back three
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  Speaker 1: and out. We got to get our offense the ball back.
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  Speaker 1: We can go down and tie this football game by
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  Speaker 1: getting a two point conversion. JJ was basically saying that
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  Speaker 1: I go up under JJ, like, JJ, welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: war against analytics. And here's a guy that they all
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  Speaker 1: love to read that is essentially their bible. And it
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  Speaker 1: was a meme of you know, like this, this this
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  Speaker 1: male laying on the bed looking kind of you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of looking at it, you kind of look at us,
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  Speaker 1: and it was a guide to anal and then I
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  Speaker 1: dashed it with lytics, so analytics, and that was you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was just getting in. I was getting in the
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  Speaker 1: troll game with Greg JJ just kind of sitting back
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  Speaker 1: like a whole Greg because every week he comes on
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  Speaker 1: breaking down a new situation.
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  Speaker 3: So great, did you respond to this?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 2: I went today is my response?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, good, so you let it say you let it simmer.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you let it simmer. I felt like it
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  Speaker 2: for him. Yeah, this is a better forum than he
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  Speaker 2: argued more.
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  Speaker 1: With the Emmanuel on Twitter. Seems waiting waiting for this
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  Speaker 1: show to argue.
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  Speaker 2: Watcho. He piggybacked on it too, and gave his whole
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  Speaker 2: take about momentum and feelings and confidence and all the
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  Speaker 2: nonsense that we all get thrown down our face for
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  Speaker 2: the last twenty years in football, which actually means jack Ship.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on now, easy.
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  Speaker 3: If you're in a game and your defense is playing
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  Speaker 3: good or bad? Does that is that the right?
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  Speaker 2: At this for a minute, Let's about a minute. So
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  Speaker 2: let's just take that Friday's game, because that was the
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  Speaker 2: game that obviously spurred all of this. Just this sequence
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  Speaker 2: of events. You tell me when the momentum was in
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  Speaker 2: whose favor? Okay? They go on a twelfth play eighty
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  Speaker 2: yard drive with three and change left, twelve plays eighty
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  Speaker 2: yards for anyone to watch that game. That offense was
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  Speaker 2: very hot and cold, up and down. They find their
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  Speaker 2: rhythm and they go on a twelve play eighty yard drive.
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  Speaker 2: Who had the momentum?
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  Speaker 1: Eagles?
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  Speaker 2: They went for two and what happened?
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  Speaker 1: They did not get it?
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  Speaker 2: So who had the momentum? Tell me why the momentum ended?
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  Speaker 2: I've been told the defense is reeling. You just had
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  Speaker 2: a great drive. The defense is tired, the defense is confused,
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  Speaker 2: the defense is on their heels, all the things that
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  Speaker 2: people tell us why they fail.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: But if they it's a very simple.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what's the simple A twelve play eighty yard drive
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  Speaker 3: and your methodical you're bad, then you have a good
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  Speaker 3: And it's kind of going back and forth. A lot
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  Speaker 3: is a lot of argument to be like, hey, this
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  Speaker 3: defense has been on the field for a very long time.
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  Speaker 3: Anytime you can get a defense tired, now's your time
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  Speaker 3: to strike. So why not go for two in the
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  Speaker 3: situation when you.
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  Speaker 1: Want you don't get the two?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: All low? Now it goes back to basically, your chance
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  Speaker 1: of winning is now, you know, as close to zero
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  Speaker 1: as possible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you guys, but if you kick point,
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  Speaker 2: it becomes nine, but you're forgetting the point that the
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  Speaker 2: idea was it could be seven. Right, So everyone talks about,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, you made your team down nine. Nick
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  Speaker 2: Sirianni didn't look at the clock and say, you know,
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  Speaker 2: three minutes, I want to be down nine. He looked
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  Speaker 2: at the clock and said I want to be down seven.
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  Speaker 2: So everyone leaves that part of the equation out, and
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  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden we flip it and we go, well,
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  Speaker 2: if you were down eight, if you kick the extra
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  Speaker 2: point to be down eight, and you do get the
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  Speaker 2: ball back because your defense is so motivated, then it's
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  Speaker 2: a foregone conclusion that it's a one score game, even
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  Speaker 2: though we just saw a team three minutes ago try
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  Speaker 2: to score eight points in one possession and didn't get it.
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  Speaker 2: So when you do it first, the assumption is you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna fail and it's gonna be nine. But when you
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  Speaker 2: do it last, the assumption is you're gonna get eight
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  Speaker 2: and make it zero. It's just it's just nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: I yeah, I understand it's like, but I could be
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  Speaker 1: down seven. However, if I'm if I were to ask you,
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  Speaker 1: if there's three and some change, three minutes left on
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  Speaker 1: the clock. Would you rather be down eight or down nine?
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  Speaker 1: If you're about to be.
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  Speaker 2: On that That's not the question I'd be I'd rather
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  Speaker 2: be down seven. The question you have to ask yourself.
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  Speaker 2: This was my Twitter messages for the last four days.
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  Speaker 2: The question is not would you rather be down nine
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  Speaker 2: or eight? The question is would you rather be down
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  Speaker 2: nine with the hope of being down seven? Or would
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  Speaker 2: you rather be down two with twenty five seconds left?
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  Speaker 2: If let's just give those two scenarios, would you rather
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  Speaker 2: be down nine with three twenty or down two with
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  Speaker 2: twenty seconds left? Both cases you're kicking off. What's better?
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  Speaker 1: Are you saying in this scenario down to Bay.
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  Speaker 2: Because I waited to kick the they waited to go
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  Speaker 2: for two. That's what everyone's telling me is the better option,
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  Speaker 2: And everyone always wants to say, oh my god, with
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  Speaker 2: three minutes, would you rather be down eight or nine?
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  Speaker 2: That's not the question. That's apples and oranges.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you have the opportunity rather be.
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  Speaker 2: Down nine failed two point with three and a half
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  Speaker 2: minutes kicking off? Or would you rather be down two
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  Speaker 2: with under thirty seconds left, if not less kicking off
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  Speaker 2: down two?
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  Speaker 3: Which would you rather, so I feel like just because
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  Speaker 3: I didn't watch this game.
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  Speaker 2: No, but what would you rather be? That's the in that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, if you're down two with thirty seconds left
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  Speaker 1: versus down nine kicking the ball off with three minutes,
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather be down nine with.
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  Speaker 2: That's why you go for two first. That is the
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  Speaker 2: simplest phrase right there. That's why you do it.
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  Speaker 3: But hold on. When we were talking about the Colts
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  Speaker 3: and the Chiefs game, we are talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: field position and win to strike and basically you want
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  Speaker 3: to end the game in six minutes with a win.
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  Speaker 3: And if you're in a position if you're so, mindus
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  Speaker 3: saying is this the Eagles score touchdown there to go
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  Speaker 3: there down nine, and so they could a pat they're
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  Speaker 3: down eight and they go for two to be down seven?
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  Speaker 3: Am I following this correctly?
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  Speaker 2: Correct?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? How much time is on the clock when they
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  Speaker 3: have the opportunity to go for two?
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  Speaker 2: Three, twenty three, ten, something like that.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm the coach there, I'm kicking. I'm kicking the
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  Speaker 3: pat because your thought process is your do you have
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  Speaker 3: one of the best defenses in the NFL. If you
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  Speaker 3: have the ball last, then you worry about going for
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  Speaker 3: two later. By going for two and not getting two,
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  Speaker 3: you're eventually you're eventually saying the game is going to
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  Speaker 3: be decided right now, and by not getting it, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: But explain to me the difference. So again, but this
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  Speaker 2: is the part that I just have a hard time
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  Speaker 2: getting people to understand. Everyone says, oh, once you didn't
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  Speaker 2: get it, the game was over. The final three minutes
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  Speaker 2: don't matter. If you play the next three minutes down
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  Speaker 2: eight and you get the ball and you fail the
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  Speaker 2: two point, the same two point play odds they're less
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  Speaker 2: than fifty percent, so you're gonna fail more than you succeed,
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  Speaker 2: right the find the game's over either way. Find the
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  Speaker 2: previous three minutes when you were so motivated and felt
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  Speaker 2: so optimistic. They meant nothing because you ended up failing
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  Speaker 2: the two point anyway.
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  Speaker 1: But the difference, the difference is you don't know you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna fail when you're going for that two point conversion.
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  Speaker 2: When did you guys play blackjack?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah once in a while.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the answer to When you when you
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  Speaker 2: have a sixteen versus a dealer's ten, what do you
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  Speaker 2: do well?
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  Speaker 3: The book says, the surrender but I.
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  Speaker 2: Hit, you hit?
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  Speaker 1: Do you?
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  Speaker 2: Some people stay Yeah, and it kind of as someone
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  Speaker 2: who tries to play by the book, you look at
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  Speaker 2: them like, why would you do that? Why are they
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  Speaker 2: doing it?
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's no book. This is there are two completely
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  Speaker 3: different games because in a hand of blackjack, it's you
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  Speaker 3: put your money down, the cards are the cards, you
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  Speaker 3: win and you lose.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm talking about the psychology of why do people
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  Speaker 2: stay on sixteen.
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  Speaker 3: Because their hope is that there is a six or
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  Speaker 3: under that face card.
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  Speaker 2: The hope is to delay the loss.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: They mentally feel like, I'm gonna stay in the game longer,
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  Speaker 2: and but my odds don't improve, they actually go down.
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  Speaker 2: But the psychology is I'm not gonna bust. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: make the dealer flip his second card over and continue
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  Speaker 2: to deal out in the hopes of it just bouncing
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  Speaker 2: my way and getting in essence, lucky. It's the exact
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  Speaker 2: same thing. We have a human condition where we want
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  Speaker 2: to delay.
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  Speaker 3: I want to feel safe.
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  Speaker 2: But it's it's insane. It doesn't make any.
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  Speaker 1: There's zero motion in cards.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's all I played last night. I'm in
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  Speaker 2: Vegas right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in you but I'm saying in the cards,
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  Speaker 1: Like in the cards, there's nothing. Those cards are dead.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's all analytics, it's all odds. It's all you
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  Speaker 1: know for you when you got the juice of all
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  Speaker 1: the players, like it could still we will never be
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  Speaker 1: in the world where'll be able to take a two
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  Speaker 1: point play that happens early and then compared to if
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  Speaker 1: they would have ran that same two point play at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the game, like, we'll never be able
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  Speaker 1: to reenact.
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  Speaker 2: Is more likely to succeed.
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  Speaker 1: I saw the grass, but it's only we're talking like
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  Speaker 1: a percentage point or two.
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  Speaker 2: But that's all we're trying to do. The entire game
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  Speaker 2: is game percentage points, and NFL games a percentage point
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  Speaker 2: here or there throughout the course of one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty plays. That's what every coach is doing. That's why
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  Speaker 2: people go for fourth downs, that's why people go for
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  Speaker 2: goal to goes. The entire game of the NFL right
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  Speaker 2: now is to is to gobble up as many little
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  Speaker 2: incremental advantages as humanly possible and hopes when they all
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  Speaker 2: add up to each other, it tips the scales in
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  Speaker 2: your favor. That's what all these close games come down to.
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  Speaker 2: That's all we're trying. We're not trying to gobble up
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  Speaker 2: twenty five percent wind share. You're trying to gobble up
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  Speaker 2: little bite sized pieces and do it multiple times and
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  Speaker 2: flip the game into my favor it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just but listen, when when you
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  Speaker 3: sit down with the coach before a game, they don't go, boys,
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  Speaker 3: we're playing a hard fifty seven minutes here. Now you're
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  Speaker 3: playing a hard sixty minutes. So if I'm a head
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  Speaker 3: coach and I am down by nine points, I could
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  Speaker 3: take the pat which makes it a one score game
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  Speaker 3: with three thirty left.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a one score game.
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  Speaker 1: Though.
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  Speaker 3: It is a one score game.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a one score game. It's a I just
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  Speaker 2: tried to they just tried to score eight points.
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  Speaker 3: It's a one possession game. It's is that better? It's
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  Speaker 3: not one possession is because now there is there's driving
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  Speaker 3: motivation involved with your defense. Sing if we get to
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  Speaker 3: go a ball back, we could win this last one
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  Speaker 3: and we can't win.
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  Speaker 2: You can maybe tie, just so.
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  Speaker 3: We're clear, okay, just you can maybe tie tie. You
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  Speaker 3: get the ball back, you get it, you score, then
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  Speaker 3: you you win the game. But I'm saying, if you
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  Speaker 3: have the opportunity to keep everybody in the game with
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  Speaker 3: time on your side, how many timeouts at the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: Saf they had three timeouts.
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  Speaker 3: They had three timeouts plus the two minute warning and
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  Speaker 3: there's three thirty left in the clock. Versus a Bears
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  Speaker 3: defense that you know, they've been very hot, but from
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  Speaker 3: a series a series standpoint, they're hot and they're cold
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  Speaker 3: our defense, Hey, we're gonna have you guys stand up,
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  Speaker 3: Then you guys are gonna have with timeouts. You have
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  Speaker 3: a minute forty five maybe with one time out left,
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  Speaker 3: maybe no timeouts, to march down the field with weapons
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  Speaker 3: on the perimeter that you haven't utilized correctly, get in
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  Speaker 3: the field and score. Now there's they.
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  Speaker 2: Just did that. They just went twelve yards.
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  Speaker 5: They just went to play the ten.
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  Speaker 3: Seconds in the game. You're down by two. Now you
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  Speaker 3: go for it with ten seconds left and you're deciding
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  Speaker 3: the game.
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  Speaker 2: What happens if they failed.
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  Speaker 3: If they failed, it's the same result as what we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about right now.
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  Speaker 2: But if they don't, well know, the difference is you're
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  Speaker 2: on side kicking with ten seconds versus three and a
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  Speaker 2: half minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But the differences. You're also down by
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  Speaker 3: nine and you're on site kicking, and.
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  Speaker 2: How what would you rather if you would rather start
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  Speaker 2: a simulation. I just asked, Will if you had to
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  Speaker 2: start a simulation, forget all that, forget how you got there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling you you're kicking off down nine with three
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  Speaker 2: and a half minutes or down two with ten seconds,
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  Speaker 2: and you have to step into that game. Which scenario
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  Speaker 2: are you picking?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you're obviously going to take the three thirty, of.
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  Speaker 2: Course you are, and that's why the scale tips to
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  Speaker 2: that decision making.
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  Speaker 1: But if we don't need this samulation in.
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  Speaker 2: Both scenarios, you have to assume in both scenarios you're
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  Speaker 2: going to fail the two point conversion.
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  Speaker 3: I think there is a win to prolonging the decision
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  Speaker 3: of the game, if especially if you're playing from behind,
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  Speaker 3: if you go and you take seven.
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  Speaker 2: But we know from thirty years of tracking is that
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  Speaker 2: it's just not true.
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  Speaker 3: But it's all you're saying, you're fifty to do two
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  Speaker 3: point conversion. What's the percentage to do an onside kick?
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  Speaker 3: Fourteen percent?
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  Speaker 2: But I don't want to do an on side kick.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting on sidekick. I'm suggesting that if I
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  Speaker 2: get the game to seven, if you succeed on either
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  Speaker 2: two point first or second, there is no on side kick.
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  Speaker 2: The goal is not to try to introduce the on
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  Speaker 2: side kick by going for two to go down seven.
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  Speaker 2: You kick the ball in the out of the end
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  Speaker 2: zone and you play defense. You're not on side kicking.
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  Speaker 2: The on side kick is only activated by a failed
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: two point try. The question is how much time is
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: on the clock when you fail. That's the entire argument.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Do you want to be down nine? The first case
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: scenario is you fail. Of course, the goal is to
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: not fail, right, that's clear.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: The argument seems to me is do you go for
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: two on your second to last drive or your last drives?
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: That's the entire argument.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: That's okay, But you're saying go for two on side
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: you're putting time stamps on everything for me as a
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: coach based.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: On No I'm putting time. I'm just saying the only
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: time you kick the on side kick, whether it's after
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: the first or second touchdown, is only upon a failed
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: two point play. The question is if you wait to
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: the second one, your on side kick, even the five
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: percent recovery rate, even if you get it, there's ten
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: seconds left, the game's over.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: But if you just kick the pat on that last
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: drive of three thirty left and you're down by eight,
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: you're giving yourself a chance. With the game on the
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: line with ten seconds left, you.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Have three timeouts and you whether or not, all it
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: takes is one possession to get you that eight point right.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Well, it gives you. Okay, if we don't get any
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: on this call, I just want you guys to wrap
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: your heads around. The entire internet to wrap their heads around.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: For a million years, we have been told that eight
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: point games are one score games, and they are fundamentally not.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: They are one score games forty three percent of the time.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: That is the league wide average this year of a
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: successful two point try forty three percent. So let's say
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: the best team in the league is forty eight percent.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Just for arguments, it's probably high, but let's just say
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: the team it's below fifty. Right print For the most part,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: your odds of success are worse than your odds of failure.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: So to sit here, So let me ask you this.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: You're the offensive coordinator, You're down eight, and I give
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: you the ball with two minutes and ten seconds left,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: So you can stop the clock one more time with
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: the two minute warning. That's the best case scenario. Philly
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: went out there, Run timeout, run timeout, run timeout, punt.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: You got the ball on the plus side of the
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: two minute warning, on the minus thirty five, you're down eight.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Tell me how you handle that possession. Do you score fast?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Do you score slow? When are you trying to score?
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: And how quickly talk me through that? If you have
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: the ball down.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Eight, I'm scoring with one second left and then I'm
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: going for two and we're going to get the two
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: and we're going to go into ot.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: So because you waited all of a sudden, your odds
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: of success go up.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Well, it comes down to that last final moment. Everybody
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: like this is then.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: You get it about momentum too, You're.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Talking about hands on knees. Everybody just focused in, like
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: this is it. We get this play. We going on
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: ta now we're gonna take this team to deep water
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: in overtime because we just scored the final fifteen points
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: of this game and we got them right.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: How you feel and I'll look at.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: You, coach, g O kick this extra point. I'll get
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you that eight points here in a gay So again
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: five years.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Over the last twenty five years, teams that have scored
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: two consecutive touchdowns in the fourth quarter. So I'm not
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: just talking like in the first quarter, meaningless, this so
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: called pressure moment when everyone's so excited and motivation takes
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: over and defenses are reeling and tired, all the nonsense
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: that we're told, Let's just assume that's the situation we're in. Okay,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: in the last twenty five years of a team scoring
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: consecutive fourth quarter touchdowns and then attempting a two point try,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: so this exact situation, the odds of converting that situation.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Go down.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: So when the defense is at their worst and the
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: defense is reeling and they're tired, and I'm motivated and
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: the sideline is excited and all this stuff that everyone's
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: saying is just powering our victory over twenty five years,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the rate of success goes down.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: What if I would have me and you were talking
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: you're my head coach, and I just look at you
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: and say, coach g O, I feel you. But in
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the last twenty five years, as there been a gentleman
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: named Willie See with a headset on call and plays,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and it's like, are you and then I'm like, hey, coach, coach, go,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: are you trying to quantify me with the metric right now?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Are we going to go and trying to win this
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: football game in ot.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: No, Because if I'm the head coach and I'm doing
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: my job, we discussed all these scenarios in team meeting
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: for the last four months, and with second the situation
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: comes up. Every single guy on the sideline knows exactly
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: what we're going to do. Right There's no one sitting
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: there going why are we going for two? I don't
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: want to go for two? I want to kick. I
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: want to kick. You want to go for two? Why
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: are we doing this? And no one now if they're
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: doing that, the coach should be fired. But the best
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: coach is all of this is covered well in advance.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Everyone is very clear on what the strategy is and
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: not on game day in the heat of the moment.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: That's how the best teams run their teams.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, look, I understand everything you're saying. I oh shit,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: your quinin. I'm not quitting. Like I'm still like to me,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: he asks a question, He's like, forget everything else, I
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: want to give you a two option simulation for me.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I'm just asking myself, do I want to be down
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: nine with three and change left? Or do I want
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: to be down eight with three and change left?
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And THEO can't say you want to be down
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: nine without leaving without the sure it's.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Like correct, correct, I would.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: But everyone leaves that part out.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, the okay, down down nine with the potential
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: to be down seven, or do we kick this extra
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: point and just be down on eight with three and
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: change left? Me like, it's like the data and all
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the graphs you're posting and there's only the success rates
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and everything else with the whether it's third down or getting.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: In response to me being told that the defense is
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden just gonna quit down nine, which
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: is absurd.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Right, which I allowed data to let me know. Okay, well,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the momentum thing might not be as real as you
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: were thinking. But for me, it's like if we're off
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: just by a couple percentage points here, it's not like
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: it's it's end all, be all that this is. This
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: is not even a debate, not even an argument, like
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and if we're going through that situation well in advance
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: as a head coach and we end up losing that
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: game and I have a tweet that comes out, just
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: be like I tried telling Coach g Oh, just don't
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: be surprised if there's a lot of backlash.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the bottom line. So let's summarize this and
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: we can move on. The number one preventor of teams
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: making correct decisions that are actually in the favor of
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: their team is one hundred percent fear of the postgame
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: press conference. Yeah, it is a much easier world to
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: defend your point than mine because we've been conditioned for
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: thirty years about one score and emotion and momentum, and
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: we've just been beaten over the head with it for
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: thirty years. We had it done to us as players.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: We're going to stop the run, We're going to run
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the ball. We it's like brainwash, right, It's like it's.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: It's a poison.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: It's the way we've been taught for forty years. It's
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: very hard to shift that to what the top teams
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: are doing, which is managing the game with these factors
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: being decision making points. So to stand there at the
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: end of the podium after I failed a two point
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: play with seven seconds left, as opposed to failing the
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: two point play with three and a half minutes. Even
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: though we know that albeit small improvement, my win percentage
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: and opportunity to win is actually greater doing with Sirianni
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: did the postgame press conference if he fails with ten
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: seconds left, and they go, man, we gave it our
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: best shot. The messages, our guys really competed hard, We
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: really bought into the end. We strive on fighting. We
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: never gave up all this arbitrary nonsense, and they go, yeah,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: the players have to be better. The players didn't execute
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: a coach, You were great.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. That's a very fascinating angle. I've
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: never thought of it like that.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: It's the only angle. You think it's not hard for
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Dan Campbell to stand up there in the press conference
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: when he goes zero for three on fourth down to
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: lose a playoff game. Of course it is, and most
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: coaches are not as strong as Dan Campbell just stand
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: up there and go it breats my guts out. I
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: hate it for our players, but if it happened again tomorrow,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I would do it again because I know in my
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: heart this is the best way to win.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Analytics, you know what just happened. You just got money balled.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Brad pat I like I knew while I
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: was walking into this dungeon of Greg Olsen, I knew
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: he was going to lay it out perfectly for me.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: It's just there's times.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Like when you tell people that crime in their city
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: has gone down and the FBI data comes out and
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: they go, yeah, but my house was robbed last week,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: so I don't think crime went down. It's like, well,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: what you experience, your one individual touch point, is not
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: representative of reality. It might be your reality, it might
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: be your but that's not the game we're playing where
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: that's what's going on here, right, Like we all put
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: so much value into the ups and the downs. There
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: was a sequence in that Bear's Philadelphia game and again,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: you guys, tell me where the momentum stopped and started.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: So the Bears punted and no, I'm sorry, sod Eagles.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: So the Eagles went down and scored a touchdown. They
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: went five plays ninety two yards and they scored a touchdown.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: They missed the extra point. Okay, so they had a
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: great drive. They missed the extra point, which no one's
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: even talking about in this decision to go for two?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Is the guy already missed an extra point to make
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: it ten to nine. They then go on defense. They
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: intercept Caleb Williams, they get the ball back, so they
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: went touchdown, missed extra point, defensive takeaway. Oh my god,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: we've got all the momentum. You know what happened on
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the next Philadelphia drive out They fumbled, So why did
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: they lose all the momentum? They had all the momentum
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and they lost it, but then they got it back again,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: and then they lost it because it was never a factor.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: They had good plays, bad plays. It's a football game.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: We've all been there. Man, We're rolling and then a
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: guy jumps off sides. Well, if we had all the momentum,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: why do you jump off sides? I don't know, because
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: it's nothing. It feels comfortable for everybody to explain these
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: phenomenons of ups and downs in momentum means I don't
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: really know what's going on, and it just feels like
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: that's what it is, and it just it doesn't impact
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: the game? Am I saying in the minds of the guys,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. It of course matters. I would argue
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: it's confidence the game. Why in that four possession sequence.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Did they have momentum? Lose it? Have it, lose it, score,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: miss the field goal, I miss the extra point, take
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: the ball away, fumble it back, then score, then miss
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: the two point conversion. But I thought they had all
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: the momentum.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: He's good, he's good, he's well spoken, he's well spoken.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: He has notes. Do you have notes? No, we don't
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: have note for me.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: It's just it's the values in the percentages are high enough.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Yet there isn't it so much of a gap to
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: where I do think this is going to be continue
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: to be an argument until this gap gets wider to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: where your twenty five years goes to the last forty years.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: The percentages are forty nine versus forty one, and not
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: like you know, a couple percentage points.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Can I ask a question, why do you hate? What's
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: the difference if the percentages are low going for two
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: in the second to last drive as opposed to the
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: last drive, what's the big deal?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: The simplest way to put it is, I just and
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: again it's not my opinion. I just understand that fifteen
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: points is not a two possession game, and that eight
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: points is not a one possession game. They could be
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: it's depending on the success of the of the two
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: point play, right, because I got to go eight and
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: seven or seven and eight, and I have to go
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: eight to get eight. But I know over this season,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: all of our the data is give at the high
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: side as a coin flip. Some years it's a little
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: bit lower, but it's usually between like forty and forty five,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: maybe as upwards of like forty eight percent. Let's just
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: say it's somewhere in the forties. That means the likelihood
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: of getting it and I know are less than the
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: opportunity to get it. So if I treat an an
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: eight point game as one possession and I let the
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: game go all the way down and I fail, I
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: have no hope. Not that an on side kick is
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: an overly great option, it's just the only option. The
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: only other option is to high five and walk off
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the field. So again, I'm not saying there's this like
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: miraculous ability to extend the game, but I'd like to
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: at least give myself the chance that the Cowboys had
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: when they were down fifteen and they went for two,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: and they did recover the on side kick against Atlanta
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: and they won. This exact situation years ago. So like,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: do people recover on side kicks at a high rate? No,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: but would you certainly have that in your back pocket
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: with time remaining in the event you fail the two
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: point conversion? The answer is yes, and I'd rather recover
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: that on side kick with three minutes than three seconds.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: That's it. If you continue to operate that a two
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: point play is a foe gone conclusion. Philadelphia just failed.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: If it was a foregone conclusion, they would have been
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: down by seven. It's not a foregone conclusion that you're
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: gonna get it. So this notion of we're gonna go
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: play defense, we're down by eight and we're gonna go
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: in and we're gonna force overtime, what makes you think
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I just watched you fail a two point conversion, So
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: what three minutes later changes it. I mean, you might
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: get it, but again we're talking a coin flip. You're
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: gonna rest it on a literally a less than a
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: coin flip. That's it. That's the entire argument that all
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: of us are making, and no one can give me
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: a reasonable stance that I would consider if someone said, hey, actually, Greg,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: this is why I'd be like, Okay, I get that.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: But the only argument is, we're gonna just pretend we're
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: in this game for three minutes longer. And I would say,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: if you end up going for two with ten seconds
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: left down eight and you score and you fail, those
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: previous three minutes of hope were just as meaningless as
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: the three the final three minutes when you failed. Those
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: three minutes of time, whether it's before you inevitably missed
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: the two point conversion or after you missed the two
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: point conversion, they're all meaningless minutes just because you feel
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: optimism is irrelevant, thinks.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: It's good optimism. Like it's almost like if you missed
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: the two point early, it's more anger that you feel,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: versus if you missed the two point late. I feel
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: like it's more sadness, and it is the two point.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: But sadness you have the ability to keep a team
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: together longer. Yeah, as opposed to anger. You miss it
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: said god, we suck, why could we not hit this play?
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: And then if you miss it on the last one,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: you're like, damn, we were so close, and Greg by
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: your logic, I look at all of these games and
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, it was meaningless for the Saints to
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: play this weekend against the Dolphins. I mean, there was
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: ane kick in that game. They scored seventeen points, but
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Dolphins scored twenty one. So the cell full sixty minutes
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: is now meaningless. Bucks beat the Cardinals twenty seventeen, so
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: the Cardinals.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Fin is the game meaningless.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I'm confused because.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: You're saying that these three minutes are meaningless because you
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: just prolong the inevitable pain. By all these teams Lee
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: losing were essentially prolonging their inevitable pain. So if we
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: just if we go for two early, it turns into
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: why are we doing that as opposed to doing the
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: same thing late, regardless to the same result.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: It's I'm not making I'm not making the argument that
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: the final the biggest argument that everyone makes. You guys
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: are making it today is if you fail with three
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: minutes to go after the first touchdown when you're trying
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: to make it seven and then as a rult it's nine.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: At that moment, Will said, you fight for sixty minutes,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: not fifty seven. You guys are making the argument that
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the final three minutes of the game become meaningless because
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: of the early failed two point play. I'm just suggesting
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: they're meaningless even if you don't get the two point
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: play at the end of the game. So that's just
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the argument that's being used against this these other scenarios.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Listen for the Minnesota Vikings. The game I called yesterday.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Once Seattle went up three to nothing, the game was over.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: It was me winning twenty six nothing. It didn't matter.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: There was at no point did it look like they
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: were going to score point. So again, I'm not sitting
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: here saying that teams shouldn't play and teams shouldn't compete.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Of course they should. I'm just making the argument in
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: response to what's been thrown at me. It's like, you
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: ended the game with three and a half minutes by
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: failing the two point play, and I'm like, a three
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: and a half minutes that are meaningless. It's still depending
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: on a two point try. You might as well figure
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: it out sooner than later.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's all. Okay, understand you do a good job.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Each week. I feel like I get to learn something
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: new with you because I saw another gentleman he quote
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: tweeted you like this is why you are who you
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: are and your job and your seat I do. I
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: think you do a great job breaking this stuff down
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: because I've always not always, but kind of been like
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: a pushback against the analytics stuff because there's just anti analytics,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: not fully anti analytics, like I get, you know, like
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: going for two when you're down fourteen or whatever it
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: is and you're down ten and you score, It's like, okay,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: you got to go for two. Here, I wrap my
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: head around that, like going forward on fourth down. I'm
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: beginning to wrap my head all around all these scenarios.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I'm going forward on fourth down. I've been a slow
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: burn on the analytics. I've been more of the angry
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: old white that's like, that's not how you do it.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Like I want to play. You got Jalen Carter, you
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: got Zach Bawd, Like you play defense. Yeah, defensive mindset,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: but it's a mindset. But but we'll all to give
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you the I'm not debating any of that, Listen, I
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: know you're not debating that. I'm trying to give you
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: a compliment right now, and I just.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Want to say you have a job attitude and all that.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: It matters, yes, yes, but it's not going to make
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: you more or less inclined to I guess my take.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Is think of us all on the sideline, like you
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: kick the extra point, go down eight. We're all on
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: the same team together. It's like we're staring at each
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: other and it's like, get us the ball back, like
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you took.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: The will if you took the I don't believe you,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: JJ Watt, the Eagles. These I just have a hard
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: time believing. And maybe I'm wrong, maybe I have a
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: high opinion of you guys. I just have a very
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: hard time believing that you guys kicked that extra point
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: down eight, and you take that field with piss coming
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: out of ero and you're just fucking ripping to go
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: play defense, and all of a sudden it's nine and
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: you say I quit.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: No, you're You're a spot on with that, So you
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: are spot That's hard.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think J. Watt plays any less hard. I
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: don't think you're playing less hard. I don't think the
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Eagles are competing less. I think you guys are professional
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: football players, and whether you're down seven, eight, nine, twenty,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: the expectation is you're gonna play your ass off. Yes,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: So looking at your teammate in the eyes and going
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: we've got a shot, let's go win one for the Gipper,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: I think it's just nonsense.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I guess it's more of just the optimism and hope
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: that is there when you're down eight points.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Hope is not a strategy.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: Oh that was a good way, Greg.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: That's why did I love having you on every week? Man?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Why did why when Washington won the toss last night?
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Did they go on defense so they could have the
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: ball last and go for two? Of course, and they
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: had the perfect play dialed up Bro on that running
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: back when he motions when he motioned from outside, and
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I saw that they weren't in a full cluster. The
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: receivers weren't in a true bunch, but close enough together.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Or I'm like, I'm looking at the I'm looking at
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the Denver defense and be like, man, a lot of
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: guys are on the same level right now.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: They run this pick play with the running back to
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the flat like this is gonna be wide, dude. Once
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: the running back takes off, I'm like, oh god, they
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: got it. I see Oh buddy, I think Defonga running
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: to run into one of his defensive players. They had it, Bro,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and then Nick Benito just bats the ball down. They
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: had the perfect play executed.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, but they had already made up their mind that
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: they were going to go for two. They wanted to
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: know what they needed. So the big argument is no
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: different than the argument we just had. You want as
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: much information as early as possible to impact your decision making,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: and whether that's having the ball second in overtime or
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: knowing when I need an on side kick or not,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: or knowing how many points I need, how many possessions
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: I need. The entire gist of all of this is
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: to control as many variables as humanly possible. That's the
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: bottom line, and that's why people use the data.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: That's the end of the clip right there. That's a
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a go, because I'll still have questions
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: each and every week when something happens.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: In Vegas at eight am, because I couldn't wait to talk.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: To you guys. But now, but now pre will where
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I was more anti analytics is gonna be I'm totally
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: right about this. It's more anger. And then there's going
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: to be a part of me that's like, wait till
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: we get Greg gone and he can break this down
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit more for me.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Five years ago, if you went for two down fifteen,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you ten years ago, if you went
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: for two down fourteen after your first touchdown to make
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: it six, you would have been thrown off a bridge.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: That was so bizarre to anyone. What do you mean
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: you're down seven and seven and you play for overtime?
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Why would you ever take it now? You're gonna now
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: if people don't go for two after the first touchdown
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: to try to make it six, people are like baffled.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: It takes took in that right there. That's gonna take
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of time for your boy, Willie here, like,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, okay, if you're gonna go for two, you
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: could just go for two at the end of the game.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: When you when you're sitting there, it's like, are they
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: gonna tie it up with the final extra point? Are
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: they gonna go for two and try to win?
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: What's more likely to convert a two point play going
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: one for one or one for two.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: That's not that's so you're arguing, he said. Will is
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: just saying, when am I gonna go for two? And
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: the answer to will is, I'm gonna go.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: And we're down fourteen, we score a touchdown, you're gonna
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: see Willie boy comfortably safely kick the extra point.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: But I'm asking you, let's say I go Let's well,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: my point it that's my whole point of all this.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: The fourteen one is so easy because if I go
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: for two and if I have to get a two
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: point conversion. Am I more likely to get a two
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: point conversion going one for one, which is your scenario,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: or just one for two, which is do it first?
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: If I fail, I'll do it again and tie the game.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Am I more likely to go one for two or
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: one for one.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: One for two? Yeah, You're more likely to go one
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: for two.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: That's a great point, Greg, That is that that's a
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: point you make because I'm kind of sit with you
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: on that being like Europe.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why you don't do it at the last one, right.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: If the goal is to win the game, which.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Is I'm still doing all of these, I'm going one
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: for one in my percentage going to be one hundred percent.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah you are, like yeah, because.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: You fail the first one, then the best you could
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: do is tie the game.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Greg. This is an example of Will being out of
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: the game very long. Like when Will was playing, there
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: wasn't this, you know, forty to forty No matter what
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: we go for a fourth down. That's kind of like
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: the norm in the NFL, Like you get in the
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: middle part of the field, you go for it, and
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: fourth down. When we were playing that was take a
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: delay a game punt that was that was more of
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: the strategy. It's really been in the last three four
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: years that this go for the fourth down thing has
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: really changed the game in a lot of ways. I
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: think it was Campbell and Quinn who were kind of
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: like steam headed that whole entire thing.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were the early adopters.
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  Speaker 2: How about the Panthers yesterday? Yeah, insane, like win that
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: game if they don't throw two fourth down touchdown passes
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: in a game. They ran it forty something times. But
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: why they win the game. They didn't win the game
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: because they went forty for one to sixty. They won
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: the game because they used fourth down and Bryce Young
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: threw three touchdowns.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's great. That's great. That's that's that's great.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: If it's forty, that's great.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Going after you, Yeah, forty times running the ball.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Here's why those plays worked better throwing those touchdowns is
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: you're running the ball effectively. Fourth and one, they got
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: everybody out there because they've got dab all in the backfield.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Now we're playing a little press. We can get behind
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: that that secondary. So thank god they're ran the ball
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: forty times for one second, thank god, thank god. And
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you bringing that up because it's all about
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: gathering as much information as you possibly can to make
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: the right decision right greg correct by running the ball effectively.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: They should have just they should have kicked more field goals.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Hey, you got the you got the Panthers coming out
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: of the South. Panther's been playing some good ball man,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: that defense picking.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: On the buff twice over, so they have a buy
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: this week. And they got four games left, so they
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: got a tough stretch. They got Tampa twice post by,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: They've got the Seahawks at home, who are a wagon
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: and I don't remember who their fourth game is, but
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: three of their final four games are real, So I
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: mean they control their destiny. I mean they can. They
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: can get those Bucks games. Again, no one gave them
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: a chance against the Rams. You know, you wouldn't think
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks going in there with how well we've seen
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: them play, especially that defense. But again, no one gave
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: them a shot yesterday against the Rams, and two weeks
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: ago we just saw the Rams beat the Seahawks. So again,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: if you can turn the ball over and you can
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: generate explosive plays, and to Canalys's credit, use every single
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: down to pull off an upset.
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: We've seen in the.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: NFL that that works, right, Like Stafford hadn't thrown a pick,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: and like what felt like ten years, he throws a
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: red zone pick and then on the next drive he
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: throws a pick six. So like that's what's funny about
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the game of football. Is like, yeah, on paper, if
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: they play each other, the Rams probably win seven to ten.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: But you don't play best as seven series in football.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: You play once.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that defense is salty man picking off Stafford's
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: who hasn't down an interception I don't know how long.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: And they did it without arguably their two best players.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Trayvon Mahra got suspended because he punched John Jennings and
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: the balls after Monday night's game and J. C. Horn
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: was out.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: By the way, By the way, that fourth game for
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: the Panthers is the Saints.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, So and again though you've beat you've beat the Rams,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: you go into Green Bay, you beat Green Bay. Like
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: this team can beat anybody.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Right, they've beaten the Cowboys. They have beaten the Cowboys.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: That was pre trade, pre trade Cowboys.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Still they've beaten the Cowboys, the Packers, and the Rams,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: and they've lost to the Saints. Saints games, what's killing them?
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is just crazy to see that Bryce Young
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: his story line, he gets benched, comes back, now he's
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: playing at a high level. Well, they're gonna pay him.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: They're gonna pay him, break him off.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: What do you think? What are you making of the
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: East Cowboys winning the last two big games? Eagles, the Chiefs.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Philly's dropped with the last two weeks. Yeah, I think
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: it's been two. I know we had a long Thanksgiving break.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Phillies dropped the last two. We're not like a game
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: and a half off because Cowboy Dallas has that tie, Like,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: do you in your head, is there a world that
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: you're buying and believing that the Dallas Cowboys can win
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the NFC East?
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean I wouldn't bet on it. I still
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: think for all the issues that Philadelphia has, I still
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: think their roster is better. I think they have the pedigree.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I think they they they have the dudes, they have
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: the defense, they have the obviously the offense has some problems,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: but they still have just playmakers that can beat you
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: even if the scheme, even if the situation is not perfect.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, especially the playoffs, like
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: talent matters, talent wins. So I again, if you made
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: me pick one or the other right now, I'd still
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: probably pick Philadelphia. But for weeks now I've been saying,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: if Dallas could just figure out a way to just
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: get middle of the pack on defense, Yeah, I don't
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: know if they're ever going to be a top ten unit.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: They're not there yet. They've got a lot of draft picks,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: they've got some time over the the next couple seasons
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: to try to improve the defense. But with pickings and
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: CD and DAK and the healthy offensive line and their
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: ability to score points, especially in the passing game, if
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: that defense can just hold, serve and not give up
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: thirty they were averaging thirty one, giving up thirty two
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: at one point in the season, and you say, oh
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: my god, just be middle of the road. Give up
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: twenty five, right, Like we're not saying you got to
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: be the Seahawks and give up ten, but like, give
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: up mid to low twenties and we're gonna win a
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: lot of games. That's kind of post bye week, post trades,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: that's kind of what they've become. And as you can see,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: they're a whole different animal. When they're not just chasing
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: thirty points every game, make teams chase them. That's when
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Dallas has been their best in years past. They've built
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: a defense that can play with a lead. They've built
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: a defense that defends the pass because their offense scores
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: so much and all of a sudden they're run defense
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, the rush attempts and all
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: of that doesn't matter because you're not going to be
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: able to score thirty plus against Dallas when their offense
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: is rolling operating in a very conservative approach. Right, So
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: last year when Dak is out and all hell breaks lose,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: the defense gets run through. Micaeh Parsons is no factor.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Digs in Bland are both hurt and not productive because
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: they're not defending the passing game and their defense goes
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: to shit. It's all connected to the offense. So if
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: they can just get to baseline, I don't want.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: To play Dallas, right, and they're getting healthy two on defense. Yeah,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: with Hooker coming back. You know, this is a couple
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago after that trade have but the trade
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: looks good, man.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Yea Quinn Williams is playing, He's like elevated that defense.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Quinn Williams. You got Logan Wilson that week. They
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: brought him over him and Kenneth Murray's rotating on every
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: series there there was a linebacker. Like when those competitions
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: are happening and the cream is rising to the top,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Like you just see the communication from the back with
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the back seven, the communication with the defensive line just
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: you can tell they're running around hungry, and it's been like,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: it's been fun to watch. Dallas has been fun to
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: watch lately since those trades have happened.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Well, anytime you have a insane he doesn't try and
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: he's just doing he could if he gave.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I'm convinced you can tell the entire stadium that he's
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: running a slant route on third or fourth down and
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: it does not matter. They're gonna throw the ball to
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: him and he's gonna catch it.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Ie, He's unbelievable. If someone just said, hey, George,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: if you give one hundred percent effort, you'll be the
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: greatest to ever do it. And I believe if you
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: just take that, if you could just take that advice,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: because what's George's thinking? Man, It's like lack of effort
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: on some play here and there. He's a bit of
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: a cancer and stealing is the way they got rid
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: of him. And now it's like he's in a contract
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: here and everyone's like, Yo, this is the dude. My
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: fear is my biggest fear for the Cowboys is they're
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: gonna break him off and he's gonna shut it down
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: because he has based on his track record, he's a
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: guy that can do that.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: No, I don't which it could happen, but why can't
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: we just enjoy the moment?
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Enjoyed the moment. I'm just saying, Hey, we're on the titank.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: There might be an iceberg ahead of us. You guys
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: just want to pay attention. I was like, fuck it, dude,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: we're gonna have fun in this ball, right.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's keep saying all down, throttle down.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: And I agree with you. I think that's everybody's biggest issue.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: And again, you start paying multiple receivers. Dat's already making
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: sixty million. You'd got two corners that are at the
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: top and Bland and digs. There's only so much money
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: to go around. Obviously one of the reasons they didn't
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: resign Micah. But I would also say, when you talk
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: about George Pickens and you look back at his time
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. At some point we have to start asking,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: is the drama Offensively created in Pittsburgh? Yeah, because he's
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: gone and Aaron Rodgers he's doing interviews yesterday, where the
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: assumption is like, guys aren't coming to meetings, guys are
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: running the wrong routes, guys are not doing what they're told,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Guys are missing. So like, was the chaos Offensively in
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh was that Pickens's fault or was that just Pittsburgh?
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Dude, You're You're not wrong with that assumption at all,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: because I feel like for the last couple of years
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: it's been like, hey, the marriage between Pittsburgh and Tomlin,
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: although it was so great at one point, it feels
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: like it's getting steel. The relationship needs a little kickup.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: And seeing the way it's at and how they've kind
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: of produced the last couple of years where they really
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: can't find an answer and their defense. They have one
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: hundred and seventy nine million dollars invested in that defense
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: and they're just not producing the way they should. It
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: feels to me that like we're headed towards you know
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: that Black Monday or whatever it is at the end
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: of the year when the Steelers don't make the playoffs,
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: that Tomlin is not the head coach of Steelers and
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: he ends up becoming, you know, the Giants.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Or if they do make the playoffs by just one game,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: because that seems to be the situation they are in
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: absolutely every year, year in and year out. They have
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: the highest paid defense. You got the pieces on defense. Offensively,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: it's like you go out, you get DK you got
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Like all they've needed is a quarterback. And
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: now you're still in the same spot again with and
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: at one point when the Ravens are one and five
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: and they're still favored to win the division and all
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: the sports books like you have such a such a
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: multiple game lead over everybody in the division, and then
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: to kind of soil it. Now we're sitting here, you're
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: tied with Baltimore. Joe Burrow's back slinging the rock around.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: The Bengals get back in this conversation and win the
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: North by the by the end of the year, if
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: and when those things happen, whether it's Baltimore or the Bengals,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: whatever the drama is, we will I think will be
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: at that spot again to where it'll be Tomlin's going
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: to be the topic of conversation because the same thing
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: keeps happening year in and year out. And this year
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: you had a best of a shot as anybody with
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers with that defense with like a four game
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: lead on everybody.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: And if you look at the defense too, like none
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: of those players are young, like TJ. Watt's been there
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: for ten years, Cameron Hayward is the leader of your defense.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: He's been for thirteen fourteen years. Like, at some point
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: there's gonna be turnover and it might be best for
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: both situations for Tom Whin to get out, cause it's
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: like you're gonna have a great legacy. You'renna be one
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: of the best coaches to ever do it at a
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: you know, a predominant franchise like the Pittsburgh Steelers. But
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: once those players leave, if you can't do it one
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: hundred and seventy nine million dollars invested, what's gonna happen?
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Then? Yeah, you get a bad losing season, don't get more.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Were you guys having on from Ohio State? Is it
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Ryan Day?
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Ryan Day, I'm out I'm saying, what's up?
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'm not leaving.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: That's my guy.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Is it really your right?
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: I just bombarded your show. Sorry, you're good, bro, I
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: gotta stay. That's my dude.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Is it actually your dude?
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I've known Ryan for a long time.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Now, okay, Well Ryan's not coming on.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: The show, yes is he?
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: YEAHO states on here.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan Day's coming on the show.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: He's coming up.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: No one told me Ryan Day's coming on the show.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Ryan, Now, no, no, you're not getting punked. He had
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: a cart up saying would you want Ryan Day one
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: for Pumped for Cade and Pavia come on, and he goes,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: i'ms up or down?
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: I just went okay, Well, I was actually gonna say
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: to you, Greg, if you're actually boys with them, please
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: send him my apologies because I said a lot of
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: mean things and I was wrong. I was wrong.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: You guys are all wrong Day, we're all the man,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: and you Michigan guys got to get out of your
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: own fucking way.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: You know what. Unfortunately I don't disagree with you, Ryan Day,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: friend of the show. We got to go out to
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: a holl States sit down.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: True, I mean all the guy does is win virtually
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: every game he coaches and the natty I mean, I mean,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: if that's what you're into in today's day and age,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: I guess that's fine. Is the goal to beat everyone? Yeah,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: I guess the goal is to win the national title.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: And I did not know that Ryan Dale was coming
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: on the show.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I'm actually I'm a little guys at Ohio State setting.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: I'm actually I'm actually like heart is elevated right now
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: because I had no idea.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, comes for everybody, doubt right.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Hey, when when does Ryan Day come on eleven thirty?
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: So we got some time? Another thing I want to
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: uh get into with you, Greg, the NFC North do
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Number one seed?
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I am weirdly just starting to like them, not in
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: way everybody's like, will will please stay away from the
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. We don't want your curses over in Chicago.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Nebraska stucks, please stay on that side. I just want
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Bears fans to know I'm not trying to invade and
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: be like I'm a Chicago Bears fan. I'm just saying
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: from the outside watching everything that this city, this team
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: has went through, all the question marks I was part
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: of them with Cale Williams. But to just see that team,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: the way that they get excited after every game in
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: that locker room, it just it's like you have fomo
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: watching it as a former player of like, how much
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: fun this team's happened, because again, they're still not bottom
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: of the barrel, but they have question marks on defense,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: but they're very opportunistic. At the same time, Caleb Williams
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: is he has a lot of inaccuracy issues, but the
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: dude just continues to hang in the pocket and sling it.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: You see the creativity on offense. You see the belief
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: in Ben Johnson, you see the fun that they're having,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: and the fact that they're sitting the top of the
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: NFC North right now with the Detroit Lions, they might
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: not make the playoffs. Like that's a real conversation that's
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: happening right now with them being seven and five. I'm
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: just I'm happy for the Bears. I'm excited for that
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: fan base. They've been fun to watch.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: You said at the beginning of this year, we need
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: these kids in Chicago and in the suburb of Chicago
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: to wear something other than I'm Mike Dick a jersey.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: And fortunately for all those parents out there. Next year,
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: these kids are gonna have their fingernails painted. They're gonna
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: be wearing Caleb william jerseys. And that's exciting.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: And just Coach Johnson, they've just been what have you
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: made of the NFC North, the surgeons of the Chicago
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Bears being a half a game back, like they're sitting
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: there both at the top, Detroit seven to five.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Bears. I think everyone knew when
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Ben Johnson got that job, he was the bell of
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: the ball, right, He's the coach no matter what anyone
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: tells you. Over the last couple hiring cycles, as happy
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: as they were to get whoever they hired, everybody wanted
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Ben Johnson, and then hired whoever they hired as a
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: secondary third, you know, so on and so forth, he
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: decided he's very picky. He ends up taking the job
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: in Chicago this year, and I think that said a
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: lot about what he viewed the roster, how he viewed
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, how he felt they were built going forward.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: I think the expectation was that he was going to
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: turn it around. We had them in the preseason game.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: We had their preseason game against Buffalo, a million year,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: you know, a million months ago, back in August, and
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of optimism, a lot of hope,
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: but there was also some reality, like, we got some
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: work to do, we got to turn this thing around.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen overnight. I think it's happened even
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: faster than they all And if they were being honest,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: like I think they thought they'd turned around, but I
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: don't think they thought they'd turn it around this quickly
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: that they'd be literally sitting at the top of the
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: division on the first day of December. You know, I
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: think we for a while, said Rabels, the foregone conclusion
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: for Coach of the Year if this thing continues to
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: go the Ben Johnson turn around, the Rabel turnaround. I mean,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of really interesting Coach of the Year candidates,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: but I mean Shanahan, I mean the job that he's
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: done there keeping that thing afloat. I think when it
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: all comes down to the division, it's crazy that the
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Lions might not be in the division. It shows the
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: power of replacing coordinators year in in, year out, which
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: is a whole other conversation about why you hire offensive
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: coordinators to be your head coach, because you don't lose
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Sean McVay, you don't lose Kyle Shanahan. You do lose
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Ben Johnson. Dan Campbell's now taken back over. You know,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: it's hard to replace coordinators year in in, year out.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: They're dealing with that right now. I do think green
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Bay's defense is better. I think green Bay has the
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: best combination of defense and quarterback in the division. So
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: I would still take green Bay right now as whoever
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: ends up being the one, two, three, however it shakes out,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: if they played each other, I'd take green Bay. I
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: think Jordan Love's a top five quarterback this year. I
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: think he's really good. I think as they continue to
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: give the offense more to him, they'll have even better results,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: kind of like we saw in Thanksgiving. And I think defensively,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Jeff Hathley has done an unbelievable job. That defense is
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: really good. So I think that combination. But yeah, I mean,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: you can't not be impressed with the job that Ben Johnson,
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. They're fun to watch. They're exciting. He's great
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: in the locker room, he's taking his shirt off. They're
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: giving free hot dogs out Chicago, right now is on fire.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: This is what Chicago people live for. I was there
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: my last season there. We made a playoff run. We
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: lost in the NFC Championship to the Packers. We beat
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Seattle at home in the snow in the Divisional round. Like,
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: there is no greater football city, especially when they're good
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: than Chicago.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. God, we could be looking at you know, these
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: teams playing for a playoff spot at the end of
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: the year. You got Chicago with Green Bay twice, Cincinnati
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: and San Francisco, then Detroit, they played Dallas, the Rams,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and Minnesota, and then the last game of the
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: year they face off.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: And it's so interesting that, like in early October or
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: late October, we're kind of sitting there like all these
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: teams are kind of figuring themselves out, and we kind
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: of know who the cream that's rising the top is
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: at this very moment. And then a month has gone
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: by and the Bears are the one seed, the Pats
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: are the one seed. The Jaguars just leapfrogged over the
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Colts in the South. Colts and Jags are tied with
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: Jacks at the tiebreaker, and the Houston Texans are one
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: game behind. It is there's so much relevant football about
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: to take place in the month of December to where
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: it's dude, really, it's actually so fucking exciting, do you see.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you how I feel, and I love each
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: your opinion. I feel this skid from the Colts this
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: late in the season is the worst possible situation, and
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: they're going to find themselves third place in the AFC South.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: It's it's always with the teams that are gaining traction
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: and momentum as a season goes on, as opposed to
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: super hot starts, because more oftentimes than not, like we
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: saw with the Eagles a couple of years, you see
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: a really hot start and then that absolute plummet nosedive
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: at the end of the year, maybe limp yourself away
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: into the playoffs, and then you're out after the wildcard round.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: I see that happening with the Colts, and I actually
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: see the Houston Texans with that defense. I see them
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: winning the South.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Love that Houston Texans defense is insane, credible. I mean
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: what they did to Josh Allen in Buffalo a couple
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: weeks ago was I mean, what they sacked him eight times.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: He's virtually impossible to sack let alone eight times.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: Sack zero times his last game.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's I mean, obviously he's incredible. I
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: think that Houston Texans front is incredible. Tamiko Ryans that culture,
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: their offense scares me. I just I don't ever see
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: them now. I haven't studied them. I haven't had them
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: this year.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: So this is all.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: He's just like a fan watching in secondary game, crossover
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: film and whatnot. But I just haven't seen an offense
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: that I go okay on any given day. If they
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: gotta score high twenties and they got to score thirty, like,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: can they do that reasonable without strip sacks, without pick sixes?
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Like can they just play in a neutral game and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: do enough that the defense doesn't have to hold people
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: to fifteen seventeen. You're gonna play some really good offenses
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: and at some point you can't just beat everybody because
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: you hold them under twenty. So I think that's gonna
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: be the case big picture wise for Houston. But yeah,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, who would have ever thought that the Patriots
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: would be the number one seed as we sit here
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: in December and the Bears would be in the NFCL.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: It's just that's what makes the game so fun. That's
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: what makes the NFL king. Is unlike the other sports
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: where you could pretty much throw a couple teams into
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: a hat and know those are gonna be the teams
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: when the season ends. What's king about football? What's the
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: best part about football is outside of a couple teams
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: that are perennially bad, virtually everybody has a realistic chance.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: And if you're bad one year, the league is set
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: up for you to get better quickly. That is the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: entire motive of every decision, from how they do schedules,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: to how they do draft order, to how they do
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: a waiver you know, the waiver wire pre trade deadline,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: of inverting the teams like it is built to not
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: sustain winning and is built to not sustain losing. And
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: I think that is what gives all these fan bases
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: the optimism going into each year that I'm alive until
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not and that's what makes the game fun.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hearing you say this league is not built to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: sustained winning it and not sustained losing. We have to
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: take a look at the tens of Titans and realize
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: their level of consistency that they have losing as much
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: as they do should be awarded. It should be we
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: should appreciate that because not a lot of teams can
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: have back to back first overall picks, and I think
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: that's something that we need to look at.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Huh, it's it's it's almost hard to do right, right,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: I mean right. The league is literally designed to not
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: have that happen. So the teams, the organizations that find
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: themselves on either side. Obviously, the high side is the
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: legendary teams and the legendary coaches and quarterbacks and all that.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: But then on the flip side, you have to look
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: as an organization and say, obviously, there's something flawed about
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: our decision making. We're not hiring the right guys. We're
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: not drafting the right guys. Although I do think cam
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Ward's good, there's something broken down about our process that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: no matter how many opportunities, no matter how many fourth
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: place schedules we play, no matter how many high draft
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: picks we get, no matter how many coaches we fire
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: and hire, we are the same every single year. Regardless
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: of those moves. There's institutional issues at play that until
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: they get fixed, the results are not going to change.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: You can hire whoever you want.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, especially with the quarterback play too in
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: the AFC, it's just again, week after week, it's like
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, who's going
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: to earn their way into the Super Bowl this year?
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: And right now where everybody's position, it's who's going to
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: make the wild card?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're facing the guys you just brought
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: up with. I think is a really interesting larger conversation
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: around the NFL that people have to start having, is
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: you talk about all these quarterbacks that are making sixty
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: million plus. There's a lot of warts on those rosters, right,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of you know, you look at Buffalo,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: you know they're they're they're making magic, but it looks
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: very different right over the receivers, what's their skill? Look
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: like their defense? They're kind of piecing it together. And
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: I think mcdermot's a really good coach, and you got
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: the best player in the league and you make you
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: kind of overcome it.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: That's why you pay Josh Allen whatever it costs, because
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: he's going to make up for whatever roster deficiencies that
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: you have. But you start looking around the league. What
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: do the best teams have? Right, you start looking at right,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: just take this year, who are the best teams and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: what's their quarterback situation?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: You have.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: You have guys like Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield that
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: are making thirty million a year. It's half the market, right,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: it's fifty percent of the market. Now Stafford makes a bazillion,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: and obviously he's earning it. And why what's the difference?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Virtually everyone else on the team is on a rookie.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Contract, right, yeah? The line, Yeah, if you're.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Gonna pay your quarterback a bazillion, you better be an
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: incredible drafter. And then if you're paying your quarterback nothing,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: if you draft and sign great free agents because you
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: have all this excess capital, you build great rosters. So
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: it's starting to say, if you're gonna tie up such
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: a huge percentage in your quarterback and make them high level,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: if you are not incredible drafters of young, cheap talent,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be really hard. You're gonna be good just
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: because you have a great quarterback, But are you gonna
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Lot of high priced quarterbacks that are on the outside
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: looking in.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think there's a change there. You're trying
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: to say that some of these quarterbacks, No, it might
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: not be on their team next year, you.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Like they're on the outside of
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: the playoffs looking.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: In, right, Yeah. Yeah, and because of that result, does
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: something happened?
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: I just don't know how you get out of some
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: of these contracts. That's true, the dead money cap hits. Again,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: I haven't studied them all, but like I have to
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: imagine some of that guaranteed money gets expedited by a
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: trade or a cut or whatever, and it accelerates forward.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be carrying dead cap money. I can only
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: imagine how big those numbers are.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: The Broncos are still paying Russell Wilson right now, still
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: paying him his dead cap money. Oh really from that trade,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: I believe.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, I definitely need to get fact checks on that.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Lingers for a long time because they I mean, they
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: gave him that new deal and it only lasted one.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 8: Season, right, right, and he had multiple years of guaranteed Yeah,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 8: we got a fun December getting lined up, and then
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: it seems like it could be an interesting offseason with
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 8: restructuring of kind of like you look at Dallas like
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 8: they're gonna have to do something with dex contract.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: So that way, if you're going to try and pay
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: George Pickens and keep this roster, you know, the trades
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: you made with Williams, you got Kenny Clark like guys
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: that are just gonna have to You're able to figure
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: out the cap situation because there were like have any
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: something million?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a chef that was saying they're about seventy
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: million over the cap right now, and so you have
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: to redo Dak there's sixty you're still ten under the cap,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: and you want to resign Quinnon, you want to re
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: sign George Pickens. You've got to go get players to
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: make your defense better. So they're in a very unique situation.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: The good news is the Cowboys have a shitload of money. Yeah,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: they're they're very they're cash rich franchise as opposed to
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: the Titans or the Bengals. Bengals we barely talked about them,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: but Joey Bee coming back beating up on the Ravens, like,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: are they going to be a team that can maybe
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: sneak themselves in Why not every year in December?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Do you really I got Bengals Buffalo in Buffalo on Sunday.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: That's going to be an awesome game.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Burrow, It's supposed to snow twenty degrees snow, burrowvers Allan.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know the record of Cincinnati is not great,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: but I mean, you get those two guys playing a
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: December game in Buffalo, and that's that's amazing television.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Matically, it's an absolutely must win for the Bengals.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: As far as player, what.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Is the Bengals, I'll be honest, I haven't dove into
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: it yet. What is the Bengals still have a realistic chance.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So Baltimore and Pittsburgh are both six and six
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: and the Bengals are four and eight. So two games
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: back Baltimore and the Ravens, they both play each other
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: twice in December. Baltimore's got Cincinnati, New England, and Green
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Bay outside of playing the Steelers twice. Pittsburgh's got Miami, Detroit,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: and Cincinnati last game of the year outside of playing
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: the Ravens twice. And then you got Cincinnati, who they're
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: sitting at four and eight. They got Buffalo, they got Baltimore,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: they got the Miami Dolphins, Arizona Cardinals in Cincinnati are
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh to cap off the year? Yeah, so if they do,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: they do. But that's the schedule you'd want to see, right, Like,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: obviously the Cincinnati's got Buffalo this weekend, then it's Baltimore,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: then the Miami Dolphins, the Arizona Cardinals, and then the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. So they have a schedule you want as
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: long as you take care, you know, you can knock
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: off Buffalo this weekend. And then again, it's like you
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: look at Baltimore. Outside of them playing each other twice,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Baltimore is gonna have to play New England in Green Bay,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh's gonna have to play Detroit. They also have Miami.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: But then again, you in the year with Cincinnati, Miami's
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: gotten better.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they had a crazy game against the Saints this weekend.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Miami has been playing with some juice ever since
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: they they made the move on the GM.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Right, right, which is so odd, Like what did fire
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: in the GEM?
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: I know, I think we've talked about the show. I
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: kind of I'm a fan of that move of doing
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: the GM with the thought process of like what are
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: you gonna fire a head coach in the middle of
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: the year, right, if they're probably going to at the
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: end of the year, then you find a GM and
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: a head coach that are aligned with each other, because
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: how many times do you see a GM get hired,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: he brings in the head coach, head coach gets fired,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: new GM comes in, but then they have it's just
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: always the same revolving door of no continuity. It's kind
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: of what you see the Titans kind of going right now,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: they're kind of one piece missing, and by the time
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: they get another piece in, that's this guy's guy. He's
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: getting kicked out. And so with the with the Dolphins,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: what you do is you get rid of the top dog.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: You say, hey, we haven't drafted good enough. We're gonna
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: get you out of there. Let's find out who the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: right GM is, bring that guy in, and then you're
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: making decisions top down, and so it's more the foundationally,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: it's a better structure.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Do you think it's a wark on conclusion that they
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: fire McDaniel.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: I think three four weeks ago we were saying that
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: now spicy, So it's like, yeah, if.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: He finishes the year strong and they don't fire him,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: now they're just back to it hiring a GM who
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't have his coach, and it's your situation you're saying,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: I completely agree. It's the same thing coach and quarterback. Like,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: how many times do we see a coach is struggling,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: he's got the top overall pick, he takes the top
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: overall pick, he gets fired midseason, and they just continue
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: to never have The Bears have done it, the Titans
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: have done it, the Jaguars have done it. And it
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: feels like if you draft the first overall quarterback, you're
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: gonna get fired in first year.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: No, I agree with that.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: I think this is I know, I agree with your point.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: It'd be interesting to see how Miami handles it because
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: if if they finish strong, they don't fire them. It's
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: the situation you laid out.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: That what is finish strong? Though, Sorry, I was just
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: gonna say, you got to the playoffs.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to assume that when they fired the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: GM that in their mind McDaniel's gonna be next at
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: the end of the year, and the way that they
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: were kind of up and down, all the things that
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: was coming out with, like you know, press conference's leadership,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: all those question marks. But now you're sitting back and
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: watching this team play with some jews, play with some energy,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: win football games, play for you know, you could say
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: the head coach play for each other all that stuff.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: If you're Miami, you're kind of like, shit, you kind
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: of you kind of don't want it going this way
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: if your playing was to fire McDaniels at the end
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: of the year.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: So I don't know what the finish strong looks, like,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: what is their record right now?
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Do we know? We probably find it pretty quick?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're not gonna win the division. The Patriots
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: are gonna win the division. Yeah, they're like what two
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: games away from walking that up, having't that be done?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: They're five and seven right now, yeah, just not making
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: the playoffs, Like yeah, so making the playoffs I would
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: probably lean on. Yeah, Like, if your decision making was
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: fire the GM knowing that at the end of the
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: year we're going to fire McDaniels, I don't think that
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: plan has changed.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: If that's the last couple of weeks, cloud that right, right,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: If that was your decision, maybe it wasn't.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're four they're five and seven, but
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: they're four and one in their last five Yeah, and
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: they got the Jets, the Steelers, Bengals, Bucks, and Patriots
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: to round out the Earth.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: Didn't the Jets just beat the Falcons.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: They could win four of those five games.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: They can win for those five, then you're kind of.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: A one step further. If the Patriots have locked up
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: the one seed, they could win all five of those
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: games because they might not even have to play the starters.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, eight, Yeah, you go nine and one in your
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: last ten since you fired the GM, who knows what
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: it looks like.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: You know, nine and one. I don't care if they
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: don't make the playoffs with ten wins or not. You
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: go nine and one over your last ten, you're not
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: getting fired.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I agree. But it goes back to
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: kind of like our analytics talk where it's all about,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: like you to play safe, you're going to play aggressive.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: Like if you are the owner of the Miami Dolphins,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: are you sitting there and saying McDaniel's the guy that's
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: gonna get a Super Bowl? The answer needs to be
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: a yesterday no answer, black or white.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: If the answer is no, then the result of the
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: rest of the year should not matter.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Oh I no, I agree. I'm not saying it's what
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: I would do. I just the way we all know
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: the NFL and the way these these owners and are
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: all risk averse. It's just so much easier to stand
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: at the podium and say he finished nine and one.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: We love the way our teams responded, we love this.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: It's an easier press conference. Yeah, And to ignore that
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: people make decisions based on public reaction and based on
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: press conferences is naive because they one hundred percent due.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: They're humans. People don't like articism, people don't like to
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: stand up there and take bullets. And whether it's a coach,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: an owner, a GM, whatever it is, path of least
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: resistance is very common in the NFL.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, good point. We got Ryan Day coming on
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: in two minutes. Greg, you're the man. I know you're
• 1:13:17
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  Speaker 3: do you want to address what you did this weekend
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Do you want to apologize?
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  Speaker 6: I'll address it. Okay, yeah, I'll address it. So I
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• 1:15:36
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  Speaker 5: What game?
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  Speaker 5: Get it, get it up a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: Do you do shows?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, just not with the sensitive mics.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So I needed to talk to someone about it. I
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: talked to my wife about it, and she said, you
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: got to Actually, she said, I don't care. But then
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: she said, talk to someone else about it. So who
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 6: else do you go to? Will Compton? Yeah, that's right,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 6: it's Savannah Pate. Will Compton's right there because you would
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 6: be there, but I couldn't talk to you for what
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 6: will be obvious reasons. In just a second. I came
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: on the locker room last Wednesday and I ignored all
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 6: my better judgment. I ignored the model. I said, I'm
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 6: not picking against the Michigan again. It's been four years
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: in a row. I can't do it. But then Saturday morning,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 6: you look in the mirror and you're like, what are
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 6: you doing? Ohio State's going to win this game?
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: So what do I do?
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: I look and I say, we got fifteen twenty minutes
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: to kick off? Do I change? And my heart said no,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 6: but my head said yes. So I consulted William and
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: I said, I'm going to change, but if I do,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: I need you to hold me to it. I can't
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 6: make this public this late. I'll get drug and I
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 6: don't want to make it about me. It needs to
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: be about the kids.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: It's magest game of the year.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I told him I am changing my pick.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 6: You can release this at four and then I put
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: my phone down. But then I picked my phone back
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 6: up and said, there's one more person I got to
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: reach out to, and that was you. And I didn't
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: necessarily tell you I was changing my pick. What I
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 6: told you is I want to tell you good luck
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 6: and I love you. And you said five words back?
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 6: Do you want to read them there?
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: Thank you, love you too?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: And I just don't see why that has to change
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 6: because of one football game.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: Do you want to pick up the time stamps of
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: when those texts were us?
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: I have no interest in you.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: That is where I am like, Okay, there's tom foolery
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: about in Josh Pate's head on Saturday morning, as I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: see a text message to will Compton at I don't
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 3: know the exact time because we don't have it up
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: at around ten fifty three am, and then you might
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: be spot on. It's basically, yeah, I looked at it
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: quite a bit. It's basically saying I can't do this. Ohihio,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: State's gonna what Michigans ask, which you were correcting, So
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: I'm changing my pick. I want you to hold this
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: now as your other friend who's at the top of
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: your list, right behind your wife, I would expect you
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: to either not text me or or send a text
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: that says hey, I'm also by the way, I know
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: you want a Michigan to went, but I really think
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: of how it's gonna win. I this is not what
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: I want to do to you, but it's going You're
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: gonna see this, You're gonna know this. So here's the information.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: So the love you text to me is We're in
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: the movie Gladiator. I'm chained up, I'm about to go
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: out for my last fight, and you give me a
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: hug and you stab me in the back and you
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: tell me I love your brother, and then we go
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: out and fight. Unfortunately, you just murder me. At the
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: end scene of the movie. Is if I get you
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: and then I die. No, you just cut my head
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: off and that is that what you having? The conscious thing?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: Everything I have no problem with. It's the it's the
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: text messages and the times in which they took place.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: You know, there's so much on my face that says
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: I want to push back on this right now. It
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: was pretty accurate. Yeah, that's a pretty accurate description of
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: what happened.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad we can get past that and just
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: you sitting on this bus saying it's accurate. You don't
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: even have to say sorry, You've already said.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: It with your eyes.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: Gladiator Too starts today.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which bad movie? Anyway, onward, I thought it was.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: I was a little into it. Did you like it?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: But I'm an easy crowd.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: I'm a guy that watches the original and goes it
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: better to meet this sex place. I'm I'm an unhealthy watcher.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: That's a great Yeah.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so telling what you What you're basically saying is
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: he handled the tough situation just poorly.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 6: I landed the plane, but not without I think he
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: did it fine.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: Like if he just texted you and was like, hey,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: I'm picking a house state. Yeah, I'm gonna feel some
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: type of way. But at the end of the day,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: like he's just having a discussion with somebody else, not
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: hurting my feelings. That's all good.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: But he.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: Sent you a text, sat on this couch and goes
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: it's not enough. I got a now, text Taylor and
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: tell him that I love him, so that I feel
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: even more comfortable. I feel more safe. Hey, I love
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: you too. I am pacing back and forth roner my
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: TV holding my eight year old. She's asking questions, Hey,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: what is this? What does that mean? What are these
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: three dots?
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: Those are timeouts? Hey, what is the yellow line? That's
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: the first down? We have to get to that first down.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: It's not about getting a touchdown right now, It's about
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: getting a new set of downs. I look up, I
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: get a text from Josh Pace. I love you. I smile,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: thank you, I love you too. It's gonna be I
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: think I got my trench boy with me. I got
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: my judges. You said, you send me a text, let's ride,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: it's go time. Whatever it was, And I'm like, I
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: got my dogs with me, knowing we all kind of knew,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: even me, there's a piece of that head going, you know,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: last year, like they're not gonna make the same mistake again.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: But I I push that away. I had other guys
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: that went to Michigan text me to saying the same thing.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: I pushed that away just to find out that. But
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: I don't want to do what the show's about. I want.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: I wanted to address this. I want.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great analogy for like Lane Lane Kiffing,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: old miss r you miss fans.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: I'm an old miss fan.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: He text me. He's letting them know, Hey, good luck,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: I love just just messing with their heartstrings the whole time.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: I'm Keith Carter, I'm the ad love you.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something something's been tugging at Lane Kiffing and his conscience. Yeah,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I can't do this. I can't stay at ole miss.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna come down, Sue.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: And then I have to find out over the internet
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: and I come back and he's probably be like, hey,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: can I support mission in the bowl game? You can't coach,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: you can't be a part of this bowl.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: And you're saying you you understood, you got it, Like
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: you didn't have to, you didn't have to play with
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: my emotions.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: This exactly, exactly like if it was just the better opportu. Yeah,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: he took a business decision and made it personal by
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: just sending good luck, I love you. I'm just like,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: what the hell is this?
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 6: Knowing full well if Michigan pulls that game out, I'm
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 6: texting you.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: We did it.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: Bro.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah you're probably texted one, but please.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 6: And I'm just telling you we did it.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Man, exactly did it.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: And I'm sitting here none the wiser, just happy that
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: Michigan won. I tell you, guys should have that little
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: secret forever.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: That for those first two series, it was when you
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: guys picked the ball up. I know, I was like,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I know, is this gonna happen again?
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: When we got three, That's when I was like, no,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: I'm concerned because we picked the ball off. We're like
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: in the low, We're in the in the red zone,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: the fringe area, and I'm like, now is the time
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: to have we have to have a two score lead.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: We have to have.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if we're gonna go to the game,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: I thought were gonna go Lane Kiffin, but Michigan got out,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: played out, coached out, schemed out class. It was tough
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: in every sense of the word. And honestly, I said
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: I said in the video after the game, like congrats
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: to Ryan Day, Brian Hartline, Matt Patricia like they earned it.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: They ate it for three and sixty five days, longer
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: than that twenty and ninety one days, and once they won,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: there's no bullshit about it. They're like, hey, in their mind,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: everything is right in the world again, yep. And you
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: gotta respect it. You gotta respect the way they handled it,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: how we have handled it. And if you're a Michigan fan,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: it's a great opportunity to look yourself in the mirror,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: be like, how how are we going to be winners?
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: Next time?
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: Are winners?
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: How are we going to act? Because there's a piece
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: of me that loves the bullshit like the flag planning
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: and all that, because it just adds to the storyline
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: of Rivalry Week and it shows the highlights and the
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: fighting and all that.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: But when someone who's beaten you more times than not
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: since two thousand and they just shake your hand and
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: walk off the field, it's like that that's a tough
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: fucking look.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: It says we're gonna win with humility.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: It's like, oh yeah, Like like that is they predict
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: that you will?
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: That's the right. The Ryan Day's playbook was perfect all
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: the bad things I said about Ryan Day, like, I
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: take you back. He's a leader of men. He's a
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: great coach. He is, he's outstanding, he really is.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: The part that got me was Michigan's players protected them.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: Oh and Ohio State folks looked at it, like, what
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 6: do you do? We're we're not going to do that anymore.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't what you think it is.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: And the thing that bothers me is in Columbus last
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: year when Ohio State players are trying to fight Michigan
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: players over the flag thing, I'm thinking of myself, Hey,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: you had sixty minutes to defend your turf, like we
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: technically took over your territory. Now sixty minutes has taken place.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: We got our ass whipped, and we got one hundred
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: and ten guys standing on the the Orlians like, guys,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: it's they have won.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: Just go home.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: The game is over and it sucks.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: I thought I didn't think we had a winning game plan.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know, Bryce like people want to mess
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: with the stall and the kid through the ball eighteen times,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: and ten of those throws really came and like, okay,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: we're down by multiple scores. It's time to like kind
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: of rip it, and it's like, how are you gonna
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: get a kid to get into a groove of a
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: game and then just be like all right, now, go
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: save us. Yeah, it's a tough situation.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: To be in.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Look, Ohio State is the best team in the country.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: They're the best team in the chaos that could happen
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs and everything else. I'm just thinking, like,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: who's going to beat this team?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 6: No, the field may be one told you, we said
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 6: in the locker room like a month ago. The whole
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 6: chaos is going to be the playoff selection. It's going
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 6: to be the process of getting to the playoff, because
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 6: once you get in the playoff, it may not be
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 6: that chaotic at all. It may just be who's lining
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 6: up to be the next victim for them?
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you said it Percly on your show last night.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: Like every top team, after every game they have more questions.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: The only thing on how State's giving you his answers. Yeah,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: over and over and over again. All they've given is answers.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: And it sucks that I my team has to be
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: the last head post on a stake like that sucks,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: But I mean that team is the best team. Now
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: if you are Michigan, it's you see the level that
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: States put themselves at in this new nil world, Like,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: are you going to go match that and go after
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: it the same way they have? That's the question they
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: have to ask themselves. I can't do it for I
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: don't have that kind of money. I can't do it
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: family to feed myself. I'm a superhero as a fan,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: hoping and wishing him, praying I'm with you. But yeah,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: I mean there's a whole lot that means to be saying.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: Let's you know, Mitch, if you want to rub it
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: in a little bit, I saw your text about your
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: childhood traumas and us real living those things for you.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Hey, that man inspired Mitch to get back on the
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: box man.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, long tweet talking about Jack Jack's responses. That's a
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: lot of words.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of words. But talking about driving the cans,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: the comforter and everything else. I know it had my attention.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Mitchie boy, I.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: Read half of it and I was just and it
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: wasn't you. I was just fucking I was mad about
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: the situation.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: No, I mean, like I I had to go through
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: like I have been.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 9: I guess you could say, for lack of a better term,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 9: bullied out of being a fan just because I.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: Have been a bit casual.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 9: But like seeing Ryan Day, like we win with humility
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 9: and then like him shakes your own's like, hey, we
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 9: got to get these guys off the field. We're not
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 9: going to do any flag planning, like like that's my
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 9: that's my head coach. And like I have been a fan,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 9: like I had the comforter, I had to my bedroom
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 9: and was painted like that. I went to two youth camps,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 9: like I've been a die hard fan, like since since
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 9: a kid. But like I just kind of I don't
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 9: know if I fell off a little bit, but like
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 9: seeing that win, it's like, oh, I'm I'm fully bad.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: You found your faith again? I did, Yeah, you found
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: your faith again.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he's a born again buck guy.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: Man, I don't really see a team on here that
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: beats Ohio State.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 6: Ohio State is the team.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: It's the team, Like, that's the team.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: That's the team that beats at State.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the only way that team loses. Can I
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: ask you a question, are we should we be done
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: with conference championships? Like we have number one and number
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: two indianniversal health state this weekend, and it makes zero
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: sense if the Commission has already said it's not going
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: to affect their judgment, If they're technically still going to
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: stay one to two, why not sit all your best players?
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: Will be like, Hey, why hurt these guys more when
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: we have three four more games to play?
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll do you another one. I mean, the Big
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 6: ten's the easy one. Look at the SEC. So Alabama's
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 6: in the playoff right now. If they just don't play Saturday,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 6: they're in the playoff now. They don't have a first
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: round by so technically they could play Saturday and get that.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: That'd be wonderful. However, if they didn't have the game
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: this weekend, that would be their bye. So what happens
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 6: to the SEC? Because George is going to be in
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: no matter what. There are folks out there walking the
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 6: streets this morning who are seriously suggesting to you if
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 6: Alabama lose a Saturday, they're going to fall out, which
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 6: I think is insane. But same question for both conferences there,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 6: Why have your game Saturday?
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 6: That's why I think with this new talk about we're
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 6: going to restructure the playoff or whatnot. If they do it,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: whatever changes they make, they've either got to crystallize the
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 6: value of conference championship games or they got to do
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 6: away with them, and the latter is not a realistic
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 6: option because they make way too much money on them.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 6: So that goes to my whole theory of why I
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 6: don't think Bama's falling out no matter what, because You've
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 6: got really one of, if not the most powerful conferences
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 6: in college football with their one seed. I know Bama's
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 6: ranked behind Georgia, but they are technically the one seed
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: in the SEC. If you tell the most one of
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 6: the most powerful conferences in college football, your one seed
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 6: could miss our twelve team playoff because they played in
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 6: your conference championship game. The SEC like may burn the
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 6: whole thing down, Like they may just take their ball
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 6: and go home and say, you know what, we're going
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 6: to do our own thing. You guys have fun. Let
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 6: us know when you figure it out. And think about this,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 6: there's a world where Alabama SEC championship game participant is
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 6: not in the playoff and there are two G fives
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 6: and two big twelves in the playoff. I just threw up.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 6: Many people just threw up.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: Listening to that.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, people had to pull over in their cars.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: What if Georgia wins like thirty one to thirteen, I
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: don't care. That's just thinking like kind of a blowout scenario,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: Obama falls out.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: Oh no, there is a chance they fall out. I'm
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 6: telling you, I would never drop them out because if
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 6: they're in today, then they're in period. But yeah, like
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 6: I keep listening to the folks who really follow this
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 6: hardcore and the people who have sat in with the
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: committee before, Like they take some of the media folks,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 6: they fly them down to Texas and they have them
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 6: sit through the mock selection process, and everybody who sat
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 6: through that thing keeps on putting their predictions out and
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: they have Bama losing if they lose to Georgia and
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 6: maybe dropping out. I don't think those people are all stupid,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 6: Like they clearly know what they're talking about. So yeah,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 6: there's a chance. I just think it's insane and if
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 6: you do it, they're going to be much bigger ramifications
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 6: for the SEC, because you notice, like I saw Greg
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 6: Sankey Saturday night, the Commissioner of the SEC, and it
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: made me remember that guy hasn't said a word about this.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 6: No one in the SEC has said a word about it.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 6: From the league office. They haven't tried to politic they
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 6: haven't tried to influence publicly or privately. They haven't sid
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 6: a word to me like, they haven't reached out to
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 6: try and stoke the fire. I think they're just waiting
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 6: to see the outcome. And if Bama wins, it's a
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 6: moot point. If Bama loses, that twelve hours between that
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 6: game and the selection the next day will be honestly,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: it'll be about like the coaching world was over the
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 6: past few days with lang Kiff and an LSU just
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 6: be total insanity.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: God.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 7: I have a question if if Bama were to win
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 7: this weekend, do they earn one of the top four
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 7: spots and then they get the bye and then Georgia
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 7: would fall to whatever that would be.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I like I think that's the way it would work.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 6: That's the other side.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Teams.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 6: I think the SEC champ is going to have a
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: first round by whoever that is, Yeah, Georgia Obviously I
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: think Bama would jump up there too. Uh. Then Georgia
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 6: falls to hosting a playoff game, and I think the
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 6: way it's projected right now, three of the four teams
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 6: that would host a playoff game or SEC teams and
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: then it would probably be organ or maybe I think
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 6: Texas Tech is going to jump up and take one
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 6: of the spots, by the way as the Big twelve champs.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 6: So yeah, like Oregon and three SEC teams hosting against
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 6: god knows who from the G five ranks and they're
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 6: probably three touchdown favorites. What if beats Virginia's.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: Beatause you have Virginia sitting at eleven seed right now,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: they lose to do Who's nowhere to be found on
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: this chart?
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 6: What then it's I want to remind people. Okay, we
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 6: talked about the ACC doomsday scenario on the locker room
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 6: a month ago, and then Duke lost to Virginia ironically,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 6: and we kind of thought, okay, doomsday scenario off the table.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 6: The ACC is so bad it lost its way back
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 6: into the doomsday scenario. The doomsday scenario is and this
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 6: is gonna sound fake, but it's not. Duke is seven
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 6: and five playing for a conference championship. Because many of
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 6: their losses are out of conference losses. Duke is a
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 6: two and a half point dog against Virginia. If they
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 6: beat Virginia Duke. The best we counted it last night,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 6: Duke is not in the top forty of the AP
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 6: right now, and that's as far as you can count.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 6: You can't even go past forty. They're not even receiving votes.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: If Duke wins, they won't be close to one of
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 6: the five highest ranked conference champs, so they won't get
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 6: an automatic bid. Those autobids would go to James Madison
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 6: and whoever wins the American Athletic Conference, and then the
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 6: the rest of the Power four league champs. And so
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 6: the question would become for the committee on selection Sunday,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: are we going to put Miami in the playoff? Basically
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 6: that would be the ACC's only shot at getting a
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 6: team in the playoff, And if they say no to Miami,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 6: like they have been doing, you're looking at the ACC
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 6: being shut out entirely. Which again we floated on the
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 6: locker room a month ago. I saw the comment section.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 6: They thought we were idiots. They thought we weren't reading
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: the rules correctly. Right, No, we were reading the rules correctly.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 6: It's just a scenario no one ever thought would happen,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 6: has already happened in the second year of the twelftheen Playoff.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 6: That's the world you live in. That's the world you
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 6: woke up in this morning.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: Everyone, Duke, what is North Texas's record? Why are they even?
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: They're eleven in one?
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, North Texas play I've already had my stance on.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: The G five. You need to be undefeated, Yeah, well
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: have to be. Look here and their coach just less.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: So now now we're in a situation that we don't
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: need multiple G fives. Well, we need a G five
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: to take out the acc Like, if Duke wins, that
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: will obviously be the domino effect, but we kind of
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: need the G five a little bit right now, if
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: you want, because no matter what we were accepting, we
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: have to accept the rules of the game, which is
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: G You know, these top five ranked conference champions they
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: get in.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 6: Look here's the other side of it though. If Virginia
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: beats Duke, it still just means a G five team
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 6: in Virginia are going to be in and those just
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: total blowout city against the five and the six seed
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: in their building in round one. Both of those games
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: are going to be between fourteen and twenty one point spreads.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: It will be SMU Penn State last year, like it'll
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 6: be that all over again, and you just know you're
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: mailing it in. You're trying to stay healthy and it's
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 6: going to be a really boring watch.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: But what about the spirit of college football?
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 6: I'm all for it, That's why I tune in every
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 6: Saturday in the fall. That is great. But you said
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 6: the spirit of college football, right, yeah, And the spirit
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 6: of college football sometimes gets misconstrued to where every single
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 6: team in the one hundred and thirty sixteen field of
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 6: FBS is playing the same level of football. Everyone knows
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 6: they're not. Both of you have actually gone on record
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 6: as saying, yeah, there should probably be a G five playoff.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: I've beat that drum for years, but you come to
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 6: a total end pass because they just push back and say, no,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 6: we don't want our own playoff. We want the right
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 6: to earn our way to get our head beat in
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 6: like they would rather have that world.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you had so. As it stands right now,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: North Texas is going to play Oregon at Oregon or
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: North Texas or two laneg So one of those teams
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: are if your Oregon and your schedule comes out and
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: you have them in one of your first four games,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: you're not looking at that going oh shit, we gotta
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: win this one. And now we sit here in the
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: playoff and the most important games of the year. Your
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: first game is against two Lane or North Texas.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, for the spirit of college football.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, both coaches are gone. Yeah, gee's over here saying
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: both coaches are gone, Which why not van By who's
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: ten and two, or even Texas. It's nine to three.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: That's what it should be.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: That's what it should be. Absolutely, But as Vandy out,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 6: It looks like Vandy's out. I think it's crazy. They
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 6: dropped in the eight people. They dropped in the eight
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 6: people after beating Tennessee. But look, it's another no win, okay,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 6: because when you're arguing Vandy, you're not arguing Vandy. You're
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 6: arguing a fifth SEC team. That's all the public heres,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 6: and they're gonna say, well, who is Vandy beaton? And
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 6: then you say, dude, they just beat Tennessee on the road. Well,
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 6: Tennessee didn't even have a win against indie, winning conference
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 6: with a winning record. It's like, if you really want
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 6: to go down that rabbit hole, I could pick apart
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 6: every resume up there. The side of Ohio State in Indiana,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 6: I could easily do that. It's very very selective enforcement
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 6: of criteria to pick apart someone's resume. Bottom line is,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 6: if we sat on this bus in July and anyone said,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: rubbed the magic eight ball this morning, I know for
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: a fact Vandy's going ten to two. They're gonna end
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 6: the season red hot. They're gonna drop forty five in
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 6: Kneeland Stadium. They're gonna run for over three hundred against Tennessee.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 6: They're gonna have a bona fide Heisman Trophy candidate quarterback
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 6: like Diego Poppy is not gonna get hurt. He's gonna
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: go the whole wire to wire season. You're asking what
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: seed are they gonna be? Yeah, you're gonna ask are
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 6: they gonna get a first round by are they going
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 6: to Atlanta? Are they gonna play for the conference title?
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 6: And instead it's yeah, sorry, we're gonna drop you a
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: spot in the ap Bye.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I thought it makes no sense to me.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: You have other jacks.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: Jack's over here golf clapping in the corner.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: That's that's pain. That's pain coming out. Yeah. The total
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: the total chaos scenario we could be looking at here,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: Georgia wins big b YU beats Texas Tech, and Duke wins.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: Okay, I can address those one at a time. B
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 6: YU beats Texas Tech. They're both in. Yeah, b YU
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 6: is the conference champ. Texas Tech's not gonna drop out,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: all right, Duke wins. That means two G five teams
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 6: are going in, so Duke wouldn't be in. So at
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: that point already, just with those two parameters, you have
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 6: two G fives and two Big twelve teams. So a
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 6: third of your playoff is going to be made up
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 6: of G five or Big twelve? Are you going to
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 6: drop Alabama out if they get blown out? Like I'm
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 6: not independent of what I think should happen, I think
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 6: the committee would drop them out, at which point you
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 6: would have this whole side bar of chaos with the
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 6: SEC and they would have a legit right, Georgia would
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 6: be in. That's just going to be a crazy I mean,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 6: you would really get around to even asking is Notre
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 6: Dame then, because you got to make room for all
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 6: these teams. And by the way, my opinion is Notre
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 6: Dame is not nearly as solidly just in the playoff
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: as people assume they are, because you don't know how
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 6: many teams you got to make room for. So I
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 6: dropped Notre Dame out before I dropped Alabama out in
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 6: that scenario because one of them played for conference title
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: and one of them didn't, and I'm not going to
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 6: punish them. But then the other part of that is,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 6: so let's just look at tomorrow night. We're recording this
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 6: on Monday, Tuesday night, the rankings come out. We assume
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 6: Notre Dame's probably still going to be a ranked ahead
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 6: of Miami, but Miami's got another data point. Now, they
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 6: went and smoke pit worse than Notre Dame did on
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 6: the road, and we're gonna have to find out. Does
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 6: the committee look at that and still say, yeah, we
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 6: don't care. We just think Notre Dame's better. So we know,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 6: you guys played a head to head and we know
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 6: that Miami's beaten several comparable opponents worse than Notre Dame did,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 6: but we don't care about that cause our eyeballs tell
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 6: us Notre Dame is better, which I agree with. By
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 6: the way, I just think it's irrelevant because you should
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 6: have set parameters that actually matter, and they are enforced.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 6: So we got to find out where Miami and Notre
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: Dame are going to be tomorrow night so that we
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 6: can project who would potentially be left out. And then
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 6: the you want a real chaos scenario, Ole Miss is
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 6: sitting there as the projected seven seed, right, yeah, yeah,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 6: all right, well the coaching staff, yeah, coaching staff. Coaching
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 6: staff leaves, and the committee has it in their protocol
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 6: to redefine how good a team is if you've lost
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 6: a player like Jordan Travis twenty.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: Twenty three undefeated State, or if you lose.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 6: Coaches ole Miss this year. So there is this world
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 6: where the committee looks at Old Miss and says, sorry, guys,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 6: that's chaos.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: And also to that domino effect chaos two based on
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: the rules of conference champion winners and everything else. It's like,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: you know, the coaches leaving at uh Tulane in North Texas.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: They'll be in there in the playoff without their head coach. Yep.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 6: But the structure difference there is if Tulane wins the
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 6: American this Saturday, they're a conference champ. There's this designation
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 6: on them. It doesn't matter if the committee thinks they're
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 6: the worst team in the country. They've got to put
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 6: them in if they're one of the five highest ranked
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 6: conference champs. With Old Miss, they're just in that large team.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 6: So it's totally up to the committee whether they get
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 6: put in.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: Just like it.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 6: It's the same with Notre Dame. It's the same with Oklahoma.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 6: It would be the same with Oregon. With Texas, A
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 6: and M, they're at larges. So the committee's got to
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 6: give you a spot you didn't technically earn it by
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 6: this designation of being a conference champ. It's messy. It's
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 6: really messy.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: Is this fixed or does it hurt more if you
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: expand the playoff, which I know you've been a guy
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: that is totally against. But then you get Vandy in
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: all missstays these G five teams, I don't know what
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: the hell do you even deal with them? Virginia is in.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 6: Let me tell you my theory. It was the same
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 6: when it was a four team playoff. I've never thought
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 6: that just because people are mad, it means something's wrong.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 6: I just think it means you have something really valuable
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 6: and there aren't a whole lot of them, and a
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 6: bunch of people want them, bunch of flawed teams, So
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 6: no team's perfect up here. So we're looking at varying
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 6: degrees of flawed resumes and we're trying to find the
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 6: twelve least flawed. Although you could argue that's not really
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 6: the case with the whole G five thing. But no,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 6: I don't think you should ever expand it. You can't
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 6: expand the playoff enough to ever stop conversation and ever
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 6: stop anger, and ever stop hurt feelings. It would be
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: the exact same Like people always say this, but they're right.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 6: You would have to expand the thing to one hundred
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 6: and thirty six teams before you fully rid yourself of
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 6: people being upset that they got left out. So you
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 6: either expand it to the point where there are still
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 6: some upset people and hurt feelings, but it's really really
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 6: must see stuff late November early December, or you expand
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 6: it to the point where not only does everyone who
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 6: deserves to get in get in, but we also probably
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 6: throw in a few that don't deserve to get in,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 6: Like what puts more value, what puts more premium on
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 6: regular season games?
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: Those who deserve to get in get in.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 6: And maybe if one or two have to get left out,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 6: that just means the room's really packed. Like no one
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 6: stands in line to get into a building where there's
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 6: room for everyone. You stand in line because it's pretty
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 6: exclusive and it means something to get in there.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: Do you think we have this issue? If it was
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: we were back in time and it's a fourteen.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 6: Playoff, you always had the issue. It's just you wouldn't
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 6: be arguing about twelve, thirteen, fourteen because you would know, man,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 6: they were way on the outside your logic. There is
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 6: what I always think about when I'm getting upset, Like
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 6: I'll get upset inevitably about someone getting left out of
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 6: this thing. But I always try and tell myself, you
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 6: just think back to the four team era. You're arguing
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 6: about teams right now that would have been way way
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: way outside the four team field. And even back then
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 6: we used to say, dude, there aren't four teams that
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 6: can win a title this year, just like this year
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 6: there probably aren't six, seven, eight teams that are going
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 6: to be able to win a title with how Ohio
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 6: State looks. So we're really arguing semantics and you get
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 6: sucked into it, like I feel good about Vandy. I
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 6: love what they've done. I think it would be insane
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 6: if Bama got left out because they're in the SEC
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 6: championship game. You're crazy if you punish Ole Miss because
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 6: they lost their coaching staff, which those players have no
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 6: control over. Do I think any of them are going
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 6: to win a national title? Probably not. And if that's
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 6: the whole purpose of this thing, I know there are
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 6: dual compartments. I understand two different conversations.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a this is why college football is
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: the best.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 6: It's going to be a mess man. Yeah, there's no
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: way around it.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: I love the chaos.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: It's like, I just want the twelve best. Like we're
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: sitting here waiting on some of these games to matter,
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: and a couple of the championship games don't even matter
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: this weekend, so you want to see how that's all
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: going to play out. And we're this scenario where you
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: got a couple of big twelve teams in, couple G
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: five teams in Do you leave out Miami? Do you
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: leave out Notre Dame. It's like they Miami Notre Dame
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: are very strongly uh, one of the twelve best teams
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: in college football? Yeah, yeah, yeah, same with Vanderbilt. You
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: got this Texas noise being louder than ever. Now let
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: me say that sometimes it weirdly makes sense.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they do a great job of like spinning out
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: semantics are very good.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 6: Let me say this about Miami. Miami has put themselves
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 6: in this position. Okay, so you can't be losing to
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 6: Louisville and SMU. You can lose one of them, you
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 6: can't lose both. So I'm not trying to absolve them
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 6: of that. It's one their fault they're even in this position.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 6: But like I said, we got to apply that logic evenly.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 6: So Notre Dame lost a couple of games, including one
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 6: at home to A and m off a buy in
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 6: desperation mode. Don't be losing that game. So, like everyone
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 6: has put themselves in these positions. Bama minus three turnovers
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 6: against Oklahoma, that's why you're in this position. So if
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 6: we remove that sentiment from the equation, I'm not picking
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 6: Miami to win a national title even if they get
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 6: in the playoff. But I will say if you were
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 6: to ask Georgia or Ohio State or Indiana's coaching staff,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 6: the one group of personnel that would concern them the
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 6: most are the defensive guys that Miami has because they
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 6: probably have the two best ends in college football right now,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 6: extremely good, like long good future Sunday athletes that could
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 6: give you problems. They're probably not going to win four
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 6: games to go win at all, but they in a
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 6: one off scenario could give you way more problems than
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 6: probably some of these other teams that are going to
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 6: get in.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris Ball talking about it's like Jurassic Park every
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: day at practice with those guys.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 6: He's not wrong, he's not wrong.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this whole G five thing, I don't get it.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: I don't understand it. I don't know why they would
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: be allowed to be in just because they won their conference.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: It's like, what the rules and stuff? Yeah, several times
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: the last few weeks.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 6: I'll tell you what I think the change is gonna be.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 6: I think the change that they could make right now
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 6: that would greatly absolve this is keep all the rules
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 6: as they are, but make the rule where your five
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 6: highest ranked conference champs all have to be ranked at
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 6: a certain level, like they all have to be top fifteen,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 6: so that if Duke wins Saturday, or North Texas wins
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 6: or JMU wins, they're a conference champ. If they're not
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 6: in the top fifteen at least, then we're just gonna
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 6: override it and you're not getting it large. Yeah, it
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 6: just comes in a large spot.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 6: I like that a lot because if you did that,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 6: let's say Duke wins Saturday, you're probably changing three spots. Right.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 6: Let's just say the G five gets to keep one spot,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 6: so you're gonna have one G five in, but you
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 6: would free up two other spots that right now are
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 6: gonna be held by G five and whoever else makes
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 6: that so or at least one other spot. So yeah,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 6: I think they will move pretty immediately. They can't rid
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 6: the playoff of G five because it's illegal, so they
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 6: can't do that. What they can do is keep the
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 6: G five with one spot and make sure in the
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 6: future the GFI is not getting more than one spot,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 6: because everyone knows it's.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: A farce, right, if there's two spots open, who are you,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: Josh pay giving the nod to at largest? Yeah. If
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: we said, hey, the G five that doesn't exist anymore.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: Duke beats Virginia, so ACC is kind of out.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 6: Probably Miami and Vanderbilt would the would be the two,
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 6: but then Texas would come in and say if we're
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 6: even in that conversation, we belong in over Vandy because
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 6: we beat them, right, so I'd be I'd be okay
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 6: with that's.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: Crazy to Texas. Three loss, but they did beat Vanderbilt yep.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: Three top ten teams, right, Yeah.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 6: Well sure did.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: Took care.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: O you took care O you, and O you to
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: me is one of the more unstable teams in this
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: whole bracket. Like their defense is really good, but they
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: don't really do a whole lot on offense.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: But their schedule against anybody else, like they've taken care
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: of business they needed to to where they're a two
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: loss team, but it's like they yeah, yep, like they're in.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: What do you do if BYU loses by a game
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: winning field goal against Texas?
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 6: Deck you got to see where they're ranked tomorrow night.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 6: If they're not in the top ten, they're not going
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 6: to be in. So they got to be in the
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 6: top ten. It's the same thing with Bama, only I
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 6: think BYU is even more vulnerable to getting bumped out
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 6: because they're in an inferior conference.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I guess my argument is like like for BYU
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: is like when you're looking at all these all this chaos,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: all the semantics, BYU would have only lost their only
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: team that they've lost to is Texas Tech. Yeah, and
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: if they're losing on a game winning field goal in
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: the Big Twelve Championship and that one team you beat him, Yes,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: they have two losses, but they've only lost to one team,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: that one team who beat them. That's what gets them out.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: Whereas if if both if the game winning field goal
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: for Texas Tech happens, and say Bama loses in their
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: three loss team but you can't keep you can't keep
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: Alabama out, but you you bump out bye. Like again,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: I'm here for the ride. I think you're gonna have
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: popcorns in there. I love all the chaos. I love
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: rooting for all these teams in a weird way, but
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: also shitting on teams in a weird way. I love
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: all the entertainment. You know.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 6: The other thing is with the SEC is I think
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 6: it's a low key, really good thing for Bama that
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 6: Georgia got in the SEC title game, because even if
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 6: you lose to them, you get to make the argument
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 6: we went into their building and beat them earlier in
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 6: the year, so you're telling us we're getting bumped out
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 6: because we couldn't beat Georgia. No, we already did, and
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 6: we beat them in their building early in the year,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 6: and then we got penalized because we earned the right
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 6: to play them again and we couldn't beat them a
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 6: second time around. Like, I don't need to make the
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 6: talking points for the SEC because they're pretty obvious in
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 6: that scenario. But with Brigham Young just watched the show
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 6: tomorrow night. And if they're behind Alabama already, which I
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 6: think they will be, if you get that apples to
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 6: apples comparison, they'll have no leverage over Alabama. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 6: they won't. I don't think they'll be in Yeah.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: Shall it be fun? Should we dive into some some
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin?
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 6: Who, buddy, some Lane Kiffin.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: Something happened, buddy?
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: Where do we stand on this whole thing? There's a
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: PC feels bad for the players. Yeah, I understand why
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: Keith Carter will I completely understand why Keith Carter won't
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: let Lane coach. Yeah, that like makes too much sense.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: At the same time, it's like, but these kids probably
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: want a real shot at going after a title, so
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: they would probably lean towards Hey, we want Lane to
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: coach us even though he's gonna poach us.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 6: H all right, can you read this right quick? Can
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 6: we just bat this down right quick? So read that
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 6: for me?
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, we got some tear talk right here from Washington's tate.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: The Washington State. Hard to complain about a kid's loyalty
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: and the transfer portal when the coaches they look up
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: to are even worse.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 6: All right, There is a lot of truth on the
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 6: surface to this, because coaches are looking around constantly. I mean,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 6: coaches are demanding loyalty and yet they jump at the
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 6: first opportunity they get. I that part is accurate. A
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 6: lot of people have been saying, the players are you know,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 6: like I was dealing with this this morning on another show,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 6: someone said, Man, the players don't need to open their
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 6: mouths on this. They're a little hypocritical because the players
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 6: are always moving around. So how can those players at
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 6: all miss theoretically complain about Lane Kiffin leaving. Well, the
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 6: players don't leave in the middle of the season. The
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 6: players don't get to the playoff and then say I'm out,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 6: And so this is a little bit apples to oranges
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 6: on that front. All right, So there are two sides
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: to that question that he just asked. But then the
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 6: follow up to that is, even if the players were
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: able to leave in the middle of the season, or
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 6: the players are able to leave and go as many
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 6: places as that they want to right now, it's just
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 6: like Lane Kiffin having to take this job right now.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 6: It's just like coaching searches having to happen in the
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 6: middle of the season. It all gets tied back to
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 6: the same thing that you have no discernible structure in
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 6: the sport. So the players didn't write the rules, Lane Kiffin,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 6: the ad at Old Miss, the ad at LSU, they
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 6: didn't write the rules. They didn't make the calendar, so
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 6: you don't have to carry water for these people. Lane
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 6: could have handled this a whole lot better, But it's
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 6: not running in appearance for any one person to generically say, dude,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 6: how about we fix the calendar here to where this
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 6: doesn't have to happen. Like I highly doubt Lane Kiffin
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 6: woke up one morning and said, you know what I
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 6: want in the middle of this playoff run, this historic
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 6: season at ole Miss, I'd love to leave in the
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 6: middle of it and take a new job, right I
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 6: doubt that happened.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think. I think we're just the biggest
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: issue is the calendar. That's the biggest problem.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: But people are aware of People are aware of that now, Yeah,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: people were aware.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 6: It weren't finally.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like we on the macro. It is like
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: it's the coaching calendar. Like Lamee was put in a
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: very tough spot and guys like us, it's like you
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: could sit here and be torn. I know for me personally,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: it's like you're torn on how you feel because now
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: as a fan as what we do, the entertainment aspect,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: the TV series that goes on with Lane Kiff and
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: you love diving. In all that, I think it's it's
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: great for college football. But the other side, having been
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: been a player, I'm sitting there thinking, like, man if
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: Paulini or something, this would have happened in the middle
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: of my senior year or not. Not, Like thinking the
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: guys that we had and it happens during our senior year,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: during our run, we're going to the playoff. We're sitting
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: there at eleven and one. I would be gutted, right,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: I would be gutted as a player, Like think of
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: a what's the quarterbacks name Childress or Trinidad, Yeah, Trinidad.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: It's like him knowing his offensive staff is gone in
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: the middle of what Ole Miss has done this year,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: all those offensive players, because really it's the offensive side that's.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: Been gutted after being a D two cat comes and transfer, Yeah,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: was a backup, and then takes over and keeps them
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: in the historian.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: It's all short it's it's all short term vision for
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: those guys right now that are trying to finish up
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: a season that they started, that they earned. Been in
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: all these conversations. So that's where I sit there and
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: get torn because it's like, I hate it for those players.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: I hate it for the.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: Players because I'm just thinking of that situation had it
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: been with myself at Nebraska, and you're just like, it
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: sucks that it has to be that way. If you
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: pull yourself all the way out of it and look
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: at it from thirty thousand feet, it's all the calendar
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: like they're putting these tough spots, but then you zoom in.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: You want to get the popcorn. Popcorn ready for this
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: Gossip Girl series with Lane Giffen, he did handle a
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: tough situation very poorly, And now I see why Old
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: Miss fans are pissed. It's like, I'm excited for him
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: to go to LSU because I think he's gonna be
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: good at LSU. All just all the drama. I love
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: all the drama. I see every side. It sucks and
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: he's at LSU.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: Now I'm not disagreeing, But what did Lane Kiffin do
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: to handle this poorly other than the calendar just made
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: him make a decision.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: Now, just leave it the hard strings of everybody.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: Lane in general, though, that is.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: That doesn't justify how everybody else should subjectively look at him.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh that's Lane. It's like, no bro like you.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: It's the middle of the night and he's dropping a
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: tweet through his dog's Twitter account's Ole Miss and Georgia
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: and being like, I just want to know they're going
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: to allow dogs here. And this is in the middle
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: of when Marty Smith is dying, he's getting weaker and older,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: just just wanting to know if there's a decision going
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: to be made because they're all everybody's sitting in that
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: house trying to figure everything out. And then a dog
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: tweet goes out.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 6: That was a hostage situation over there, hostage. Army Smith
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 6: survived this. He didn't cover it. He survived this.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: But you know what you just said.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 6: You just said a point and then another point and
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 6: another point, and you offered like thirty seven perspectives. The
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 6: crazy thing about this is have you heard anyone offer
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 6: another slant on this that you've heard and said? Man,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 6: I totally disagree with that. I've agreed with what everyone
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 6: has said because there's so many different angles on it.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 6: I'll give you one more. Be an old miss fan,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 6: be an old miss donor right now, but rewind six years.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 6: Lane Kiffin is down in Boca. He is the head
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 6: coach at FAU. He is toxic, he is radioactive. Nick
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 6: Saban is a few years removed from firing him the
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 6: week of a national championship game to get him out
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 6: of his building. No one will touch him, and he's
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 6: just dying for a job. He's dying for a shot.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 6: And Ole Miss is the one major program in the
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 6: SEC that's willing to give him a shot when no
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 6: one would touch him. Not only that, he comes there,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 6: he starts to win. He tries to get out once
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 6: or twice, and teams still won't touch him. And then
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 6: he kind of toys with Auburn buddy reverses course of
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 6: the eleventh hour. But finally you get to the point
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 6: six years later where we've got a shot, both of us, Like,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 6: we've paid you, you've returned it to us in kind,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 6: but we got a shot to do something historic, and
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 6: we gave you your opportunity. Ls you would never touch you.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 6: They laughed at us for hiring you, so did Florida,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 6: and now they waited and you rehabilitated your image on
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 6: our dime, and you're telling us that when we finally
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 6: got here, we're getting the payoff finally for giving you
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 6: your shot. We gave you all this money, We said
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 6: yes to everything. We let your dog have his own
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 6: a Twitter account, like we did everything you wanted us to.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 6: You're you're just by. You're you're going to do an
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 6: interview with Marty Smith on a tarmac, same place you
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 6: got fired at USC You're going to interview on a
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 6: tarmac and you're out of here. And who could disagree
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 6: with that? So all the points of view I've heard
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 6: I agree with, I haven't heard anyone say anything where
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't think that's true. Yeah, I don't
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 6: think that's legit.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: If you're a donor for ole Miss and you are
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: the ad for ole Miss, and we could reverse six
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: years ago, however how long it's been, and they would
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: tell you, hey, lank Iff and he's gonna go fifty
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: five and nineteen for you. He's gonna have the most
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: historic season in ole Miss history. But then he's gonna
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: burn the shit out of you and he's gonna leave.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: Would the ad and those boosters would they sign up
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: for that?
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 6: I think if they knew this was how the program
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 6: was going to be left, I think probably they would
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 6: still go on the ride.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 6: They've made a lot of money there. They have enhanced
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 6: the image of ole Miss football.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you look at ole Miss, you don't look
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: at him as like a stepping stone place anymore, even
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: though lank Iven just showed them that they're the most
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: stepping stone place of all time.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 6: Accord.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: But if you go back in time and you looked
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: at every one of them and said, you're gonna have
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: these next six years, this is how it's gonna go
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: for you. You're gonna be in the playoff, You're gonna
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: have the best season ever in ole Miss history. But
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: after that, the head coach, right before the playoff, he's
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: gonna fuck you guys. They'd probably all sit there first second,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: take a deep breath like you are right now, and
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: go bring it. Yeah, you know what, We'll take it
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: because where Ole miss was six years ago, it was
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: a shit show.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: It was in the conversations with the Kentucky's and the
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: Mississippi states, in the Vanderbilts, like they're in that tier.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 3: And now you're in an upper tiered conference or a
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: upper tier program. Yeah, so the yeah, any way you
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: look at it, you kind of sit there and nod
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: your head and go, yeah, I see that. Because when
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: you're talking about being a player and I'm thinking about
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: if I'm a senior and I've given my entire life
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: to this program and that's how it's left me. He
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: almost makes you want to cry because you're like, holy shit,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: because you imagine those seniors feel, and they're probably in
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: the moment right now they're like, hey, fuck them, we
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: don't need them. We'll go win this thing. They're gonna
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: have the Cinderella story that everyone's looking for and the
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: reality is probably not, so they're like kind of masking
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: that pain only to get like six months from now
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: to be like he really did just leave us in't me?
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: After he told us all these things?
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think he handled it well? I think
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: because now to mention everything you didn't know even the
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: documentary had this year, You're like that was making his
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: image of being where your feet are, enjoying the moment.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: It's not about money where I need to be, you know,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: just rip it out and then you it's like, you know,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: I had conversations with God, my family and this is where,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: this is where because even Marty s and what is
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: what is L s U offer that Old miss us
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: He's just like, you know, I was praying on it
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: and made a decision with my family.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 6: Maybe it'll work out. Maybe yeah, yeah.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I didn't know about the dog tweet. I
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: didn't know about that. I think taking away like the
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: trolling on Twitter, which it's hard to take that away,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: but just the position that Lane is put in. I
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: can have empathy for the thought process of like, no
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: way you handle this correctly because if you go, if
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: you stay at Old Miss, you're here at Old Miss.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: But you just juggle along L. S U Auburn for
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: a little bit in Florida up until last week, and
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: now they're way behind the eight ball off who their
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: coach is going to be, who are their recruiting class, transferportal,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: the whole thing. So you've kind of fucked three programs then.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 6: Okay, but let me hit you with this is John
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 6: Somerral not the exact same situation. John Somerral head coach
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 6: at Tulane. All year, They've been on a magical run
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 6: this year. They are one went away from punching their
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 6: ticket to the playoff. John Sumrral has been interviewed by
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 6: several programs over the last month for their head coaching vacancy.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 6: John Somemrral just took the Florida job. John Sumral handled
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 6: it professionally the entire way. He didn't talk about anything
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 6: other than TWU lane football the entire way. He was
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 6: communicative with his ad the entire way, which Lane was too,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 6: So I'm not knocking him for that. But John Sumral
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 6: is in a conference championship this Saturday and is also
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 6: being introduced as the Florida head coach today and no
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 6: one's hating on John Sumral. So is it really just, oh,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 6: everyone hates Lane Kiffin because you know, he's the whale
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 6: in the room to a certain extent. Yes, Lane's much
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 6: bigger name than John Sumral, but it's also I think
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 6: people have respect for the way John handled the process
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 6: a whole lot more than the way Lane handled the process.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 6: And so like I got a bunch of LSU buddies,
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 6: they're the same boy. It's really hypocritical. Everyone's hating on
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 6: our guy. What about some Rall, what about some raw.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 6: I just think he handled the whole process a whole
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 6: lot differently.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: I think so you you mentioned it not being the
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 3: whale in the room. Some row is not the whaling room.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: Some Roll was a guy. If we don't get Lane,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: then we get Somemmer, all right, And so it's much
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 3: easier for some Roll to sit in the position he is.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 3: And once again I'm not taking aside. I'm just arguing
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 3: the point for some Roll to sit there and be like,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: I'm about Tulane, because at this point, all he is
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: about Tulane, knowing people are kind of maybe calling him
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: and being like, hey, if this doesn't happen, you're our guy.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: And if with that information, if you're Summer, all, like,
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: there's no other information to kind of have other than but.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 6: He the Auburn job. What happened? What happened with dude Auburn?
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 6: Let me tell you something that's a whole nother show.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 6: Auburn almost fantastically screwed themselves. Auburn had John Somemmrall done
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 6: as late as last week. They had John Somer all done,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 6: and they messed around. I was so confident that Auburn
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 6: had finally handed a coaching search the right way, and
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 6: they had, and then they got to the finish line
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 6: and they just tripped themselves up, you know, because they
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 6: can't help it. And then John somewhere else says, no,
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 6: you're not going to dictate terms to me about who's
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 6: going to be on my staff and if they're going
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 6: to be on my staff. I got to look him
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 6: in the eye. I got to make sure they're right
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 6: for me. So he said, peace, I'm out. And he
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 6: could say that because he knew he was going to
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 6: get the Florida job. But my point to you was,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 6: so Auburn pulled the nose up at the eleventh hour.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 6: They got Alex Goldish, He's good. They almost crashed entirely.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 6: We could do a whole show on that today. But
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 6: with John, John did know he had head coaching jobs.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 6: He knew at the very least I'm going to Auburn
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 6: and that's going to be a major head coaching job
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 6: in the SEC. Florida is interested in me. He could
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 6: have taken Arkansas in a heartbeat, could have taken Virginia Tech. Like,
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 6: all those were on the table for him. He ends
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 6: up at Florida because they don't get Lane. That's true.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 6: He would only have been on LSU's radar had they
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 6: not gotten Lane. That's true. He also could have had
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 6: the old Miss job. So he had several SEC irons
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 6: in the fire, and he knew he was going to
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 6: leave Tulane. But yet he handled the entire season. I
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 6: think the only way you can given the circumstances. Yeah,
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 6: I think people respect it a little bit more.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: No, I can get on board with that.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I empathize with Lane, not like he probably didn't
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: know what he wanted to do.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 6: I agree with it this time.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure people have. People had no clue what
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: he was going to do.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: Like I empathized with him having a hard decision and
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: laying in bed and getting the heartstrings tugged on and
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: everything else. I empathize with that because when the cheers stopped,
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: the dust settles, it is only you. It's you and
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: your family. You make whatever decision you think is best
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: for you in this world. He thought it was at
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, he took an old missjob.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: He took in his mind, a better opportunity, better backing,
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: better structure. I look, he does his thing. I'm all
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: for that, because again, it is only you in this
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: world making your own decisions. So if that's what he's
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: most happy with, dude, go do your thing. It's just
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: all the semantics that came around because John Summerl, like
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: you just don't feel the TV series that came with
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: John Somerl throughout the entire process. Again, he is a
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: lined with his ad probably I'm assuming with the team
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: every step of the way. And when you are gonna
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: make these hard decisions because you're in a tough spot
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: because of this calendar, with the coaching, with the coaching cycle,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: when you're gonna make these hard decisions, that's going to
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: inevitably hurt feelings no matter what you try and have
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: his least amount of bloodshed as possible. And it felt
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: like John Summrall did that and it felt like link Kiffin.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: It was just a bludgeting across the.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: Broad Yeah, yeah, yeah. He took the opportunity to pull
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: the sword out. Yeah. You had the trauma from the
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 3: last six years getting fired by Nick Saban and decided
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get mine right now.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: I'm the way out, right, and then trying to point
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: the finger at the ad on the way out, saying
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: he won't let me talk to the team, he won't
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: let me coach. Think that I'm gonna get us to
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: eleven and one. They'll kind of have no choice because
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: I got It's like you got Sabin, you had Herbstreet,
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: the national voices that were saying they should still let
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: him coach, so then when he's on his way out
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: he can do well. He didn't let me do it.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: It's like, Bro, there's no world, there's no world where
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: that a d should let you coachy. The college will playoff,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: but they're inside that building. I don't care if it's
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: Patty whatever. No, he's got to protect everything Ole miss
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: And if you're leaving, Bro, you gotta go, gotta go,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: I tell you. Yeah. The Herbstreet saving stuff that was
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: kind of blown up everywhere. They're always.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 3: They always they're working Sexton. Man, he is, He's the
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 3: Ultiman winner and all of this, isn't he Yeah? Yeah,
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 3: why why not stay at Ole?
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 5: Miss?
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 3: I'm sure at this point at all the boosters saying
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 3: we'll give you all the money in the world.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, money wasn't going to be the issue. One thing
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 6: Lane was consistent about is money's not the issue for me.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 6: Like I talked to him several times throughout this, he
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 6: always reiterated that he was dead serious about that. It's
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 6: a big deal for Jimmy and CAA because not only
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 6: I mean, look, there's a business side of this where
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 6: when you're negotiating a deal, if you're Jimmy Sexton negotiating
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 6: like a Keystone deal, which is going to impact the
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 6: rest of the market, You've got like fifty other clients
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 6: that are about to get a raised because of what
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 6: you negotiate for Lane. So Lane couldn't have cared less
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 6: about the money aspect of it. He's already made more
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 6: than he'll spend in ten lifetimes. However, I think he
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 6: desired to be desired for so long and he wasn't,
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 6: and he sat at Ole Miss for a while. First off,
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 6: he said it at Baman Fau, and finally he was
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 6: desired enough to get the old Miss job. But remember,
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 6: Lane's pretty old school in the way he looks at
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 6: this stuff. So even if we're in the new age
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 6: of college football, he still looks at the SEC the
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 6: way an old school guy would look. And he's he's
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 6: looking at the LSU job like Saban looked at it
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 6: a generation to go. It's like everything's there. These are
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 6: not his words, but I probably believe folks like him
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 6: think I'm pretty responsible for the success that Ole Miss
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 6: has just had, Like I am the reason this is
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 6: happening again. Whether that's true or not, that's kind of
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 6: the almost like the competitive narcissistic quality you have to
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 6: have to yourself to think I'm the cause of this.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 6: You look at LSU and you think ed one one there,
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 6: less one one there, Saban won one there. It almost
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 6: seems like LSU's just built to win titles no matter
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 6: who's there. I'll go there and enhance what's already just
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 6: a rocket ship, and I won't have to do all
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 6: that work. All I'll have to do is turn the
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 6: spicket on and let the natural resources and the natural
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 6: advantages flow and maybe I can win two or three
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 6: at LSU. Whether that happens or not, I'm just telling
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 6: you I think I pretty well articulated how someone like
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 6: him feels about why he takes the LSU job.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he gets focused on more great at I tell
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: you what. Twitter was fun, though, buddy, we got one
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: right here. This from John tweets Sports. I made a
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: difficult decision to leave my wife, who's been very loyal
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: to me for a woman she despises. I was hoping
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: to keep living in our house through Christmas, and I
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: think like nothing was wrong. My request was denied by
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: my wife despite the kids wanting me to stay through
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: Christmas breaking down.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 5: That's a shame.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 6: And Lane Kevin would look like, would look at that say,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 6: how dare that woman?
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: Holy shit, that is a John tweet sports. That's a
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: fantastic it's a fantastic, great Job's what you want?
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: So you said something with John Somemraw Auburn. Auburn was
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: wanting to put people around the programer around on his
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: staff that he wasn't necessarily in the same room with,
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: to keep tabs on him.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 6: Well, no, it's even worse than that, and this is
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 6: a kind of slid.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: I got to kind of know why they fumbled the
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: bag with John Someral.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 6: They had John John wanted the Auburn job. I don't
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 6: want to gloss over that. Like in coaching searches these days,
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 6: sometimes it's just let's go get the guy we think
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 6: is best for the job, and he's going to take
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 6: our job because it's the next step. John Sumral wanted
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 6: the Auburn job because he wanted to be the Auburn
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 6: Tigers head coach, and he just happens to be a really,
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 6: really great candidate, so they had him locked up. There
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 6: was also the DJ Diurkinside, who was the interim head
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 6: coach there, and I think John Cohen, the ad had
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 6: really become attached to the idea of DJ. He's a
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 6: phenomenal defensive mind. They wanted to keep him there. If
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 6: they don't hire him as the permanent head coach, they
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 6: want to keep him there as the defensive coordinator. So
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 6: you know, you kind of you maybe gauge John Somerral
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 6: during your negotiation and say what do you think about
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 6: Durkin and maybe some Morell's receptive to it. Maybe he
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 6: says I like DJ a lot. You know, maybe maybe
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 6: I'll have a place for him on my staff. That's okay.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 6: What's not okay is then taking that at Auburn to mean,
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 6: all right, let's go ahead and extend DJ, and let's
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 6: sign him to a new deal, and let's coach called
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 6: John Somerral up and say hey, all right, he's going
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 6: to be on your staff. That can't happen.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 5: It can't happen for.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 6: Many reasons, but two of them I'll give you is
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 6: that makes you the ad the guy that Durkin's answering to,
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 6: not John sumrall, because John Sumral's not the one who
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 6: hired him or paid him. And secondly, you haven't even
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 6: vetted him yet. You, the future head coach of Auburn,
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 6: have not even sat down with this guy or these
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 6: guys because Durkin's not the only one they were trying
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 6: to dictate with and look them in the eye and
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 6: pitched your vision and seeing that they buy into it.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: You didn't even do it. Any of that.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 6: And so if anyone's going to put conditions on you,
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 6: with how hard it already is to win, if you
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 6: get your way on everything, you're not taking that job doubly,
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 6: especially when you've got other programs that are bidding for
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 6: your services. So Auburn screwed themselves fantastically early mid point
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 6: of last week. We go into the Iron Bowl Saturday.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 6: I was down there and it was grim, and a
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 6: lot of folks around there thought we're about to have
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 6: to elevate Durkin, and I think John Cohen probably knew
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 6: he had screwed that up. But then Alex Golish turns
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 6: down Arkansas because Auburn is on the table, and I
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 6: think that they were able to salvage a situation to
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 6: the point where I could easily see us three years
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 6: down the road saying Auburn fumbled their way backwards into
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 6: a huge win here. I'm very, very irrationally excited about
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 6: the prospects of Alex Golish at that place. Sometimes, you
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 6: know how you just get a feel like some places
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 6: are just like puzzle piece fits. I would have felt
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 6: that about John there too. These were both really good candidates.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 6: The market's going to be way higher on John than
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 6: they are on Alex Goldish. You probably know more about
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 6: some Raw than Alex Golish. I'm way high on John
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 6: Sumraw I'm way high on Alex's Goldish's potential at Auburn.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 6: Those people probably had to google his name yesterday, but
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 6: in time, I think they'll really really love him down there.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 6: Quarterback play has been abysmal at Auburn for like the
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 6: past fifteen years, aside from a couple of exceptions, and
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 6: the one thing I can promise if nothing else is
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 6: quarterback play won't be an issue at Auburn. Maybe there'll
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 6: be other issues, maybe you can't stop molasses in December defensively,
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 6: but quarterback play will be really good under him.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 3: What I know, we ate Greg obviously in a couple
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 3: of minutes, so before we get you out of here.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 3: During your show last night, you're still singing the praises
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 3: of Matt Campbell. Where is Penn State is still looking
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 3: for a coach. I think it's insane that Matt Campbell's
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 3: not the guy.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 6: I think it's insane Penn State's swinging on them.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 3: About Auburn fumbling. I'm obviously an outsider watching, but like
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: to have your coach fired in mid October and still
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: be in the same position you are, and now all
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: the coaches that people are like, hey, you should get
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 3: these guys.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: Twenty four hours.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 6: Dude, Golden Miss had won four hours yesterday.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, oh Miss lost their coach like you, and he's
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: like me, yeah, okay, I'll do it. And Penn State
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 3: is sitting there, they're smoking SIGs in the bark. They're
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: a head coach who they fired already has a job,
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 3: and you have no head coach.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 6: And yet Matt Campbell is responsible for like eight of
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 6: the ten plus five hundred win seasons in conference playing Iowa.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 6: Iowa State has been over five hundred in conference play
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 6: ten times in their history. Matt Campbell has been eight
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 6: of those ten years. Not good enough for us, though,
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 6: we're not reaching out though we got things figured out.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 6: So things are cold on Campbell from the Penn State perspective. Yeah, Now,
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 6: Matt's turned down several Like, dude, Matt could have had
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 6: the Tennessee job, could have had the Detroit Lions job,
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 6: could have had the Florida State job. There are a
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 6: ton of big name schools that he's turned down. Yeah.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 6: I don't know if that's out there, but it is now. Okay, Now, Detroit,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 6: I'm told ended up being okay.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in the NFL world, I know you don't
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 1: want lines are in a bit of a spot.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: Ryan's are actually out of the playoffs right now, as
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 3: of right now, as of right now, they're not good
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 3: typically not good right now.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: Worked out with the.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Penn State, who are they going after?
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 6: I got no clue. Could be you, You could get
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 6: a call later.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: I'm also, uh, I'm seeing I don't know how real
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: it is. I'm seeing Hypel's name getting back in the
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: I saw that.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 6: I know nothing about that. I'm not being what was he?
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: Who is he connected to?
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 6: Allegedly pens according to the message boards et cetera.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: Penn State and Big Measure, Yeah, big message, How can
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: you not be? I was talking, I was talking with Josh,
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: and I was like, Penn State doing a good job
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: keeping this stuff quiet. Well, there's nothing to talk about.
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: This some quiet, But they've done a terrible job as
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: far as their search goes. Oh yeah, yeah, that's a
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: fair point.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we knew Penn State was going downhill the minute
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 3: Mitchig got a DM.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 6: Wow, m we knew.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, Penn State's in a bad spot.
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 6: That's a good teast for Wednesday, Yeah, great tea.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to talk more when we do the
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: locker room. That's going to drive up Wednesday night whenever
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: the playoff rankings come out. Josh Bate as always, thank you,
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: bro broke down a lot of good stuff right there.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: We will uh, we'll see you with Greg olsen Ryno
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: applause for Josh Bate. Black Friday betbtv dot.
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• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: Cyber Monday.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 3: Black Friday is done. That happened last week. Uh, coach Day.
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 3: First off, let's give a round of applause for coach
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 3: Day coming on the show.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: I'm glad he I'm glad he came on.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: They surety leadership the whole thing, especially the way I've
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 3: talked about you the last year, which I'm not going
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 3: to shy away from. I will say this before we start.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: I have said a lot of nasty things even after
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 3: like the Spring tour. I've used the third base comment.
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 3: I've I've said not a leader of men. And you
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 3: know my opinion shouldn't and does not matter to you. However,
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: I will say like I was wrong, and you you
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 3: truly uh you beat our ass and you did it
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 3: with humility. You did it, Uh you know the way
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 3: Ohio State probably should have done it last year, and
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 3: you have shown a you've proven me wrong, and I
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: want to formally apologize for that because it's you know,
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 3: it's one thing to make comments arrival and stuff like
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 3: that and things that I did believe at a time,
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: but for you to go I think it's sixteen and
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 3: oh since the game that happened in Columbus last year.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 3: It shows how much of a leader you are in
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: that locker room. And it's very impressive. So that is
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 3: that's all. That's the last nice thing I'll say.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it, Taylor.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 4: I got a lot of respect for you, and so
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 4: now it means a lot and and but it's a
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 4: tribute to these guys and then the program and these kids,
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 4: and there's a lot of great life lessons, you know,
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 4: over the last year of just life. This is life, right,
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And this is the world
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 4: we live in. This is the stage that we play on.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 4: And you know, you know, you get what comes with
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 4: you know, losing games, and the only way to get
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 4: it right is to get it fixed. Yeah, and you
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 4: know we certainly you know, haven't got it fixed the
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 4: last twelve months. But like we got to move on
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 4: because we've got Indiana this week, and certainly we've got
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 4: a lot ahead of us.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 3: What is the well I want to get into recruiting,
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 3: Patricia all that, but you brought up the Indiana game,
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 3: and we had Josh Payton on the show earlier and
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 3: we're talking about, like these conference games really are losing,
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: they're losing kind of the we're not really playing for
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 3: a Big Ten championship. We're playing for a national championship.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: And if you have the one seed in Ohio State
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 3: in the two seed Indiana, what's stopping you guys from
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 3: just saying, Hey, we're gonna sit our best receivers, We're
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: gonna sit our quarterback, and just be like, hey, the
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 3: commissions already said they don't really care about, you know,
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: conference championship games.
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: Right, we're both getting by week, Yeah, we're getting you Like,
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: why not just move on?
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and kind of wipe your hands with this thing.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 3: Obviously there's a level of competition and all that that
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: you want, But if the if the big goal is
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: the national championship, who cares about a Big Ten championship?
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 4: No, I hear what you're saying. I think they got
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 4: to look at it for sure, but you know, we
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 4: we're in it and we want to be the one seed.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 4: And I think everything matters when it comes down the stretch.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 4: And so you know, if you're just playing the numbers
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 4: and you're playing you know, the trends, you know, you
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 4: want to be in a situation where you're the one
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 4: seed going into the playoffs. So so that's it. I
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 4: also think there's a lot to momentum. You know. I
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 4: feel like when you have momentum, you got to keep it.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 4: When you don't, you got to go get it. I
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 4: feel like we have momentum. I want to keep momentum
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 4: with the team and and these guys that did just
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 4: competitive dudes that just love to win. And you know,
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 4: winning a Big Ten championship does matter. It was one
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 4: of the things that was on our list of goals.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 4: So it'll be a great environment, like it'll be you know,
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 4: it's Indianapolis. Still have a great crowd. We'll have a
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 4: great crowd. So you know, we want to win. You know,
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 4: we want to be undefeated. We want to be the
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 4: one seed. So that's that's that's what's motivating us.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the way it stands right now, like we're
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: seeing one v. Two, We're seeing a potential preview of
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: what the national Championship is going to look like. So
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's there's going to be that level of
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: juice to it. What do you see with this Indiana
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: football team? Coach Kirkzinetti, he's done a hell of a
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: job in his couple of years there. They're on a
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: role for Nana Mendoza, He's a very good football player,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: another great quarterback as well. And Julian's saying, what do
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: you see with this Indiana football team?
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they they're well coached. I think they
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 4: don't make mistakes. You know, in all three phases. They
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 4: play hard, they have good fundamentals. Like I said, they
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 4: don't beat themselves, and you know they have a plan
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 4: on how they're going to attack. And they play fast.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 4: You know, like when you watch them on film, they
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 4: are playing fast, they're playing downhill. You know, they're anticipating
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 4: as opposed to reacting. And certainly, you know, having Mendoza
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 4: there has has really just taken them to the next level.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 4: And so this is going to be a hell of
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 4: a game and a really good opponent.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: Throughout the year. Ohio State's been categorized, you know, based
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: on scheduling and everything else that can be boring, Like
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: the offense isn't explosive until they have to be YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 1: As a defensive guy myself, seeing what you guys have
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: done defensively, which again that's it's hard to since since
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: the defense they're not like you know, this attacking putting
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 1: points on the board everywhere anything else. Somebody who appreciates
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: defense losing coach knows to Penn State last year you
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: had the number one defense in the country. To go
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: out and get Coach Patricia. You've held every opponent to
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: under seventeen points a season. Your first in points per
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: game allowed was seven point eight yards allowed per game.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: What has it been like having coach Matt Patrician in
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: the building. What has he done with this defense? And
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: you got cats everywhere across the board? But speak about
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: the defense a little bit because you guys, you guys
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: crushed teams defensive.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 3: While you answer that question, I love to also hear
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 3: about the process of getting Matt Patricia in your building
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you know when everything went down
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 4: after the season, it happened in a point where it
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 4: was late in January, so a lot of the hiring
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 4: cycle had already gone through, so you know, kind of
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 4: caught all of us off guard. And so one of
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 4: the things that you know, I've learned in this process
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 4: is like, don't rush into a decision in terms of
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 4: your hires man like you, you have to get this right.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 4: And even though there's recruiting involved and a lot of
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 4: things that come into play, you know, you know, we
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 4: try to take our time on this and be really
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 4: thorough and and the thing that you know, I was
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 4: really trying to look for was somebody that would come
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 4: in and work with the staff that we already had
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 4: and be willing to really buy into our culture and
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 4: what we're doing, because you know, it wasn't like someone
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 4: was going to come in and bring in their staff.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 4: And we just won a national championship. We have a
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 4: great defensive staff, I think the best in the country.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 4: And so, you know, I talked to some different guys,
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 4: but Matt really separated himself one because of his background
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 4: of i mean, winning Super Bowls and what he did
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 4: in the NFL, and he's he's a former head coach
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 4: in the NFL, and he's brilliant in so many different areas.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 4: But you know, I knew Matt. You know, he's from
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 4: the Northeast like me, and so you know, we had
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 4: you know, we were acquaintances before and but the more
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 4: time I spent with him, I just realized, like how
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 4: personable he is, Like he's a family guy, and I
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 4: felt like he would fit our team and our culture
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 4: really really well. And it's amazing to me. Like even
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 4: when all that was going on, like I got a
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 4: lot of just push pushback, you know, publicly, and like
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 4: I just think so many people are now realizing what
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 4: a special person he is. And you know, he's done
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 4: a great job for the minute he got here and
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 4: building trust, building relationships. He had certain level of credibility
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 4: with our guys. You know, he he looks at guys
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 4: like rvel Rees, Caleb Downs, you know, Kayden Curry, and
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 4: he says, you know, this guy reminds me of Jamie Collins.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 4: This guy's like Ninkovis, this guy's like so and so,
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 4: and so he kind of plugs them in based on
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 4: the guys he's had in the past when he was
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 4: with New England, and our guys just love it.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: They eat it up that these.
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 4: Guys love football, they love to compete, and they've just
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 4: been eating up the football and that's that's what Mattie
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 4: is man.
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: He loves ball.
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 4: But he's done a great job building relationships.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he got a lot. There's a lot of criticism
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 3: with matt Patricia and if it was going to work
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 3: him going down to college, but on the offensive side
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 3: of the ball as well, Chip Kelly he goes from
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 3: college to the NFL. Obviously, both these both these coordinators
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 3: have been made a big mistake leave Ohio State. Both
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 3: of them are potentially out of job at this point.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 3: But you take Brian Hartline and he goes from the
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 3: wide receiver coach to the OC. When we were in
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 3: a hot in Columbus, we got to meet with Heartline. Energy,
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 3: very infectious guy. I see him at the Texas Ohio
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 3: State game. I go to give him a handshake. He
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: looks like he looks daggers through my eyes, like you
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 3: can go fuck yourself. And there's a lot of question marks,
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 3: like is this guy gonna be able? He's obviously an
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 3: incredible recruiter. The way you see the wide receiver room
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: always line up like every great receiver in the NFL
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 3: right now. Unfortunately went to Ohio State. But if from
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 3: a play calling standpoint, what was that process like elevating
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 3: him in house?
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he as you as you can.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 4: You can tell. And you know, he's a competitive dude
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 4: who really maximized every ounce of what he you know,
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 4: God gave him as a player. You know, he had
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 4: a great career here at Ohio State and then you know,
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 4: played for a long time in the NFL. And the
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 4: only way you do that is by you know, really
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 4: understanding you know the game, you know how to find edges,
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 4: and that's that's him. And so you know he done
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 4: that with the wide receiver group and now, you know,
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 4: the next progression for him was being a coordinator. And
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of guys just think like being
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 4: a coordinator is calling plays. That's a big part of it,
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 4: but so much of it is just the organization of
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 4: the staff, the motivation, the organization of practice, you know,
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 4: the messaging, the focus, like everything that comes with that.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 4: And so it's been great to be around that and
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 4: watch it with him. You know, he's got a great
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 4: staff around him. Tyler Bowen does a tremendous job. Keenan Bailey,
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 4: Billy Fessler, Carlos Lachlan and and and having Matt on
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 4: the other side of the ball allows me the opportunity
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 4: to be there too, and and to help along the way.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 4: So I think he's getting better and better at it
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 4: every day, and you know, certainly we'll have to be
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 4: at our best here down to stretch.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 1: You have a great quarterback in Julian saying, why do
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: you feel like he should be at the Heisman at
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: the Heisman ceremony later this month.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 4: Well, I think he has the highest completion percentage ever
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 4: for a college football or something someone told me.
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, his accuracy that pretty decent.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 3: But hey, there's an argument that he's just throwing routes
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 3: on air because the receiver have so much damn separation.
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, the hater and me, that's the hater in
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 3: me coming out a little bit. He's a great he
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 3: is obviously a very talented individual.
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I get it.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, we have great receivers, but that's not his fault,
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's uh, he doesn't miss those throws by much,
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 4: you know, and like you're you're right, like you know, Carnell,
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 4: you know, did a great job on that route and
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 4: the separation even you know Jeremiah's route you know in
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 4: that game and that shot the other day. But those
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 4: balls are like on the money, you know. I mean,
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 4: he's just really really accurate. I think he's got a
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 4: special gift in terms of his intelligence. You know, being
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 4: around him every day, he's intelligent. He can he can
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 4: handle high levels of information fast. And I thought, you know,
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 4: in the game on the first interception, they did a
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 4: great job with with with the guys there and and
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 4: and they got him on that one, but like there
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 4: was no panic because I know exactly what he saw
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 4: and you know, he went right back at it. I mean,
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 4: he's he's got composure and he has a toughness about him.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 6: And that was the I think he.
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 4: Really had only played in the game that was like
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 4: fifty degrees or colder, had never really played like any
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 4: kind of elements. Now we've been practicing in it. But
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 4: for him to handle that with the snow going sideways
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 4: and just the way he played scrambled for a first
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 4: down and handle it big third downs, I mean, he
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 4: was he was excellent on third down. I just think
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 4: that he's got some special gifts about him.
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 3: Was there was there a piece of you when we
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 3: went down and we drove the ball, we kicked three,
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 3: and then the first throw we get an interception. Was
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 3: there a piece of you had to be that was like,
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 3: oh fuck, it's happening again. Of course there was, Yeah, dude,
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 3: I was thinking this.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, we're gonna do it again.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 3: And then once we kicked three, I was like, God,
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 3: damn it, We're never going to score a touchdown this defense.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 3: But what was going through your head when that pig happened.
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 4: Well, the thing that never happened though, is like I
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 4: just never panicked, and neither did anybody on the on
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 4: the sideline, because like, there's just a certain level of
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 4: confidence we had going into this game, and it was like,
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 4: I can't believe this is happening right now, and that's
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 4: just all right. Because we wanted to have a fast
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 4: start in the game, Yeah, that was kind of something
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 4: that we talked about going in. We always want to
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 4: do that. Obviously, everyone wants to have a fast start,
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 4: but it was something that we felt like it was important.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 4: So when it didn't go that way, you know, it
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 4: was like, what the hell's going on right now? But
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 4: when you went over and you saw what happened on
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 4: the first run and the defense settled down force three
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 4: and then the defense to go out there and not
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 4: panic got all. I mean, they sprinted on the field.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 4: They were like, let's go watch this, and they got
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 4: they got to stop and it's six nothing and it's like, okay,
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 4: we're all right, let's put a drive together, go right
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 4: down and score. And at that point, I think just
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 4: the composure of the team, you know, and it's just
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 4: the way these guys are, they're way they're wired. Nothing,
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 4: nothing gets them, you know, rattled and so but but
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, that goes back to our training
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 4: and confidence that we we had going into the game
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 4: and what we play with. But to say that, I
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 4: wasn't like you got.
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 3: The man when that pick happened, I was like, oh
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 3: my god, I did.
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 1: I was sit at home. I was like, oh shit, because.
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 3: The chaos of I mean, you're you're mourning for the chaos.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 3: As a fan of Michigan and playing at Michelle, I'm like,
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: if we can fucking pull this off again, this would
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 3: be we might never lose again.
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 1: Yea, we might never lose. I was telling you before
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: I was so I'm so bought into the rivalry now,
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: like obviously you get to see all the fodder, all
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: the ship talking, like you got little kids doing the
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 1: they're re enacting the flag at school for plays. Like
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 1: this rivalry is so insane, And I was so bought
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 1: in because it's like I'm sitting there, I'm in the
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: fox ot you, I'm pulling for my boy. I'm like, Okay,
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: Michigan wins, We'll get to see another year of all
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: these antics, like all this stuff that everybody gets entertained by.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: But I'm also sitting back, like I know Ohio State
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: is salivating to just beat this team's ass and coach obviously,
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: you're in the business where it's all compartmentalization, goldfish memory.
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: We got the next one. We got Indiana coming up
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: this week. But just the initial emotion when you knew
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: you had that game in the bag, and not only that,
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 1: but having a twenty play driver where you're kind of
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 1: pushing it up their ass a little bit and just
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: in a fashion to say it like that, just you
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 1: know that is what was happening. Yeah, there had to
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 1: you know, it's almost like kind of not f everybody else,
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 1: but like I knew we're we're this is what we're
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: capable of doing to this team, and I'm glad we
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 1: all finally showed up today and did it. Yeah.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the first thing that came to my
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 4: mind was why don't we do this last year?
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 4: You know, I mean, I mean, that's that's how crazy
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 4: my mind works. And that's what I was thinking. It
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 4: was like, I mean, how the hell did this this
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 4: happened last year? You know what I mean, that's just
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 4: because just the way that you know, we took the
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 4: field and played in that game. You know, it's really
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 4: how we've done it the last the last twelve months.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 4: But you know what, that's life, you know, and and
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 4: you know, life comes at you sideways times, and it's
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 4: it's all about how you respond. And and you know,
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 4: I feel like there's times in that game where you know,
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 4: just it didn't go our way, and so every year
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 4: you try to identify what those things are to get
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 4: them fixed. And and so you know, I often, like
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 4: I said in the press, Cofference, thought about how, you know,
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 4: I wanted to respond after the game, but I just
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 4: felt like it was the right thing to do is
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 4: just handle it with humility and and celebrate, you know,
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 4: with our team, with our team in the locker room,
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 4: and man, it was it was a memorable day in
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 4: that locker room with with that team.
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 3: Surely had to be. After all, like the noise that
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 3: took place this time last year, everyone like like Big
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 3: from barstool and people like, yeah, Ryan Day's not the
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 3: guy for this team, Like he can't beat Michigan. I
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 3: think Cooper was also one and four against Michigan. He
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 3: lost his job. You go win a national championship, Like
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 3: there had to be borderline tiers getting this essentially off
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 3: your back after going through all of that ship for
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 3: the for like the last year.
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 1: It's just bizarre that I think.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 4: But I think also like you know, in today's day
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 4: and age, you know, there's a lot of things that
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 4: get said and what you give energy to, you know,
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 4: you control, and so at the end of the day,
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 4: like you know, you can.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 1: Listen and.
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 4: You listen to narratives, and you know, people want to
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 4: run with narratives, and when you're at Ohio State certainly
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 4: gets a lot of clicks and a lot of attention,
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 4: and I get what people are trying to do. But
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 4: like when you know deep down in your heart what's
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 4: real and what isn't, you got to fight like hell
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 4: to make sure that you know, you get out there
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 4: and prove the people that care about your right.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: And the ones who don't wrong.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's every day, right, and and so
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 4: that'll be the same thing this week, every game, and
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 4: every week's an opportunity to prove people right, prove people wrong.
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as I was sitting there, it's like I have
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: my popcorn ready the whole time, because it's like I
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: just want a spectacle. And when you the way you
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 1: handled it after the game, it was like, oh, I
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 1: didn't even know. I'm sitting here thinking in my head
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: like what option. Yeah, yeah, this wasn't even an option
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: in my head. And when that happened, I was like, oh, dude,
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 1: much respect, Like like that was I mean, you got
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 1: our boy. We got a producer in the back, Mitch Carsley,
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: who's been an Ohio State fan forever and he's kind
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: of gotten you know, he's been a little a little
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 1: fair weather at times, like not the most on the
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 1: table for Ohio steaks. Taylor. You got Taylor Michigan man
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 1: here kind of there's been some bullying going on tour.
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: He didn't feel he felt a little more insecure about
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 1: being an Ohio State fan because he didn't grow up
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: in Ohio. But the way you handled after the game,
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 1: it's got Mitch Carsley out here tweet like, I'm so
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: proud to be an Ohio State buck guy. I feel
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: like that's the inspiration. You've kind of spoken to the
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: Ohio State fan base on the way you handled that
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 1: after the game.
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah, got this past game, like I like, like Will said,
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 9: I've been bullied by Will and Taylor and thinking I'm
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 9: a fair weather Ohio State fan, but I mean grew
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 9: up going to two youth camps and like getting to
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 9: meet you guys in person last year, like and actually
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 9: and at the end of the game, you say we're
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 9: winning this with humility.
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 5: I'm like that, that's my head, coach. I just wanted
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 5: to say thank you, and oh, all right, that's that's
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 5: pretty You're not.
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 4: You're not gonna You're not gonna a bully tailor now.
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 5: No, I will definitely this one will definitely be held
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 5: over his head as the last four, but held.
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 3: But you'll do yeah, you'll with class, do it.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 9: With class, and like, hey, just know that we do
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 9: when we win, we do it with humility. We don't
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 9: have to flag plant or anything like. Just know that
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 9: that aspect.
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 1: Show show him how to be a fan. Okay, show
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: him how to be a fan of a winning team.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 2: This is what it looks.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 3: Let's all just relax. After the game. After the game
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 3: was over, I texted big ab Ohio, Tate, Leddy, George,
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 3: and I just said congratulations. I did not text Mitchell Purpose.
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 3: I was like, fuck this guy, dude, I saw his tweet.
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 3: But yeah, hey, listen, you got it for me three
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 3: sixty five. Just wait till next year, though, my right coach.
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 4: Does right, I know, we got one year and then
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 4: we'll be back at it again.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 3: Are we thinking, are we thinking maybe go to the NFL? Now, Like,
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 3: let's get you out, let's get you out of there.
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 1: Let's just beat Indiana.
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 4: But will I will, I will say this that you know,
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 4: just finishing up is just so that, like, you know,
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 4: being the head coach at Ohio State's is a big responsibility.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 1: And obviously that.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 4: Rivalry game means a lot to a lot of people.
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 4: So even just to hear you know, the pride, you know,
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 4: of everybody you know at Ohio State. You know that
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 4: that's ultimately what this is all about. It's pouring back
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 4: into people, the players, the coaches, the fans, the supporters.
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 4: Like that's what comes with this job, and it's a
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 4: big obligation. And you know, when you come up short,
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 4: you got to figure out way to get it fixed fast,
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 4: and so that that's what motivates me and our staff here.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 4: So you know, it was a good day, but we
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 4: got a lot of football ahead of us.
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 1: Coach. We appreciate you joining us, man, Thank you for
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 1: your time. Go in the Big Ten. It's gonna be
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 1: a fun game to watch you guys in Indiana. Both
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 1: awesome football teams. I can't wait to see how it unfolds.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 1: Good luck in the playoff, bro, and maybe we'll see
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 1: you next year. Maybe you appreciate appreciate you guys.
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, appreciate you, coach.
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on to you guys. Yes, sir,
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: okay you that was a nice surprise. Yeah did you guys?
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 3: When did you guys know?
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't know, Like Ryan came on before. I was like,
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 1: would you like to have coach day on for twenty
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 1: minutes before the Cad and diego come on, and he said,
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 1: just give me a thumbs up or down. I just
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 1: put thumbs up. I had no clue until we were
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: sitting doing our show already.
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, dude. You see all the stuff
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 3: like the Lou Holtz after the Notre Dame game, the
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 3: Congress thing, not letting Dave and Columbus and stuff like that,
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 3: but this year, like I know, him and Pat McAfee
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 3: had beef, and so he goes on Pat McAfee and
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 3: for all the things that I said about coach Day. Yeah,
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 3: and then him to come on two days after and
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 3: you know, his ass is just quiet in the back
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 3: of his head, like this motherfucker, like you gotta look
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 3: at me in the eyes.
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 1: Got his receipts.
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 3: He's got his receipts. And I'll tell you what do
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 3: I like Ryan Day? I guess maybe more than anything.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 3: I respect Ryan Day, I respect Brian Harline, Matt Patricia, Like,
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 3: say what you want about that game. Like I didn't
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 3: even bring up the touchback. Was it a touchback? Wasn't
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 3: non a touchback? Because even if it was a touchback
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 3: that it did not that would not have changed the game.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 3: So yeah, they beat our ass. Man, they beat our
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 3: ass and I thought I was gonna have I had
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 3: no choice but the respect but to respect coach Day
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 3: for that.
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna have to get knee pads
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 1: for you there for a second the way.
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 3: You was, yeah, that's that's a fun way to take it,
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 3: but really it is like it's just like, dude, hey,
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 3: he myself, myself, Dave, A bunch of people have said
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 3: so many nasty things about him, and for him to
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 3: just quietly go sixteen and oh and take keep taking
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 3: on the chin for three to sixty five days then
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 3: come on our show, it's like, yeah, dude, I I
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 3: I have to essentially pay the piper and be like, hey,
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 3: I said all these things, you've proven me wrong and
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 3: I respect that, and oh yeah, dude, I mean there's
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 3: no worlse can I say, hey, you're hey fuck you.
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 3: It's like, okay that my team just lost twenty seven
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 3: and nine and it was not even close compared to
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 3: twenty seven night when may there be like, now, fuck
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 3: you Ryan Day, You're still born third base, Like yeah,
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 3: he was born on third base, but he still elevated
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 3: his team and that sucks.
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 1: There was that article two that I was telling you
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 1: about that came out of last week or a couple
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago, where it talks about the standard that
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 1: Jim Tressel set. Urban Meyer comes in kind of holds
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 1: that same standard, raises the bar. And then it's like
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 1: Ryan Day who comes in who had had a head
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 1: coaching job, and this is a guy that's not going
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: to be able to keep the same expectation. And the
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 1: article basically said everybody was right. He didn't keep that expectation.
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 1: He elevated it because he's like the most winning is
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 1: Ohio State head football coach in his tenure so far
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 1: at Ohio State.
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 3: And I mean you see the recruiting class, they're one
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 3: and two every year they crossed the portal Like that's
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 3: not stopping anytime soon. That's why in this video that
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 3: I made after the Hosta Image game, it's like, hey,
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 3: if you're Michigan, unfortunately the standard is your rival and
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 3: that's a shitty position for you for you to be in,
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 3: so you have to if we have the resources, now
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 3: is the time to funnel in all of those resources
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 3: into having a team with similar talented players and scheme
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 3: and clock management, all those things like it you have
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 3: to make a decision now to do that or you're
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 3: gonna get less than the dust.
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 9: I feel like you guys weren't. It's not like you
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 9: guys are an untalented team, like you're just very you're
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 9: just very young, because I mean last year they yeah, nine.
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 1: And three, but like we'll see what happened to the boys.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 3: We're the youngest team in the Big Ten, like were
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 3: the We're the youngest team in the Big Ten. That
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 3: all those things are going for us, But to see
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 3: the offense kind of sputter, like you want to see
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 3: grow throughout the year. And there's a lot of times
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 3: like Michigan should not be kicking a field goal to
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 3: win as the clock striking zero against Northwestern. We shouldn't
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 3: be in these types of dog fights, like yeah, we're
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 3: we had a very talented team this year, Like there's
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 3: it with six six freshman offensive lot or six freshmen
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 3: starting on the offense, a lot of young talent in
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 3: the back end of our defense. But like you could
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 3: see the different levels of what's taking place from how
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 3: to say Michigan and it sucks to say, like I
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 3: am a Michigan guy, like I'm a guy that supports
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 3: and loves Michigan, but like you have to be able
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 3: to look at these things objectively and be like this
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 3: is the reality. Like Payton said it best on his show,
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 3: Like every team that's in the top ten have given
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 3: you question marks throughout the season. All Hoilo State has
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 3: done is given you answers, and that that's the reality,
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 3: Like that that is the team to beat in the
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 3: in the National Championship.
• 2:37:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I look, I love your guys' rivalry so
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 1: much because it's just so bizarre that you can win
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 1: a Natty, but there's almost a real feeling of like
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 1: it doesn't count because you didn't beat Michigan, right, and
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 1: Taylor's second, we got to reload, Like the the standard
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 1: is Ohio State, like beating it's just winning that game.
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you could legit go you could go one
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 3: in eleven.
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 5: As long as that one wins against Ohio State or Michigan.
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 5: You do not care.
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 3: You can go one and eleven at Michigan Ohio State
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 3: and if you beat Michigan or you beat Ohio State,
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 3: like it's all good.
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 5: You said you said you beat Ohio State one time.
• 2:37:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was one in three against Ohio State. It
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 3: was when Tressel got fired because of the allegations or
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 3: he like stepped away and was it looke fickle he
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 3: took over.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 9: I'm wondering, like as like a because you you guys
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 9: don't do gold pants, right, No, we don't do nothing.
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 5: But like obviously it's the.
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 9: Biggest rivalry in football, Like what is like that feeling afterwards?
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 9: Like did you were like, holy shit, we beat Ohio State.
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 3: Dude, we stormed, We stormed the field. I remember, I'm
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 3: like looking around like this is incredible. And like Chris Brown,
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 3: my boy who played on the hockey team, he like
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 3: grabs my shoulder. Bads were like hogging.
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 3: It's the best feeling in the world. It is the
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 3: best feeling in the world to beat that team. Because literally,
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 3: since you're since you step on campus, every single day
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 3: you're something is mentioned about Ohio State. It's on o'clock
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 3: when you walk in, it's in the locker room. Like
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 3: I love that there's no trophy. I love that it's
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 3: just like hatred, like we hate each other. I'm not
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 3: even sure how, but like we just hate each other
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 3: and you're just you drink the kool aid the minute
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 3: you walk in. It's the only thing that matters every
• 2:38:55
  Speaker 3: single year. Like Michigan State is an afterthought, Like I
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 3: went and one and three against Michigan State, even going
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 3: one three AGAINDS like years are an afterthought compared to
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 3: Oha State. It's just nuts, bro, It's fucking nuts. But
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 3: yeah they are with their exclamation point percentage out fifteen
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 3: minutes out?
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 1: Got it?
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 3: What the fuck happened? I don't know, brother, that was crazy?
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, they look Nebraska was I had a parlay
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 9: going for Friday. Nebraska was the only leg to not hit.
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 9: And it's getting to the point where it's like, yes,
• 2:39:38
  Speaker 9: like I love you will, but like Nebraska is getting
• 2:39:41
  Speaker 9: to the point where they're on the no bet list
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 9: because they the amount of parlays I've lost from just them,
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 9: It's like, look.
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 1: I understand it. And if I'm you on, piss off too.
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 1: If I'm you on putting them on the no bet
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 1: list too, we have to earn your trust back, and
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 1: unfortunately it's not gonna happen.
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 1: The Bowl game, Oh, the Bowl game is everything.
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 3: Bowl games don't matter for nothing.
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 1: We might begin to I've heard rumors of potential Music
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 1: City Bowl yeah.
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 3: I think there was an article that came out that.
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen articles like I've just had a couple
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 1: of buddies texts like one's.
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 5: It like projected right now it's Tennessee and Nebraska.
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 1: I had a buddy text from Missouri being like, hey,
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 1: it's looking like it could be Missoo and Nebraska and
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 1: the Music City Bowl. I have no clue. I haven't
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 1: looked at the list. It's dude, it's been brutal. It
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 1: was brutal to watch. I don't know, man, I don't
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 1: I don't have a whole lot of answers for you.
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 1: It's it wasn't good enough. We're sitting here seven and
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 1: five at the end of the year, failure of a season.
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. There's usually hope and optimism that I
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 1: have to latch onto, and there hasn't been any over
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. Like we got killed from
• 2:41:01
  Speaker 1: Penn State. But if you come out you beat Iowa,
• 2:41:03
  Speaker 1: don't matter, not that it doesn't matter, but you finish
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 1: off eight and four, you have some again, some hope
• 2:41:09
  Speaker 1: and optimism on this team turning it around. Because I
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 1: want to say, our record has been very poor in
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 1: the month of November, probably different variables going on. And defensively, man,
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 1: it's just it sucks to watch the way we are
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 1: performing defensively. Yeah. I want to say over the last
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 1: two games, like Penn State and Iowa traveled in our
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 1: red zone like ten times and they scored nine of ten.
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 1: Been poor and run defense. I want to say we're
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 1: in the triple digits as far as rankings go.
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 9: Do you think do you think if you guys won
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 9: like two more games, Emma Johnson would like be invited
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 9: to New York and have a legit chance of winning.
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think New York, you know, a legit chance
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 1: of winning. I'm sure he's up for like the Running
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 1: Back Award and everything else as he should be. I
• 2:41:53
  Speaker 1: think he's an absolute stud. Like running the football, catching
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 1: the football, he does everything for Nebraska's offense.
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 3: Hey, real quick, don't you don't get off this conversation.
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 3: I don't want to keep talking about Nebraska. I just
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 3: got a piece so bad, okay, okay, And.
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 5: He had what it's one seventy at halftime?
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm crazy, Like he plays dude, we're
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 1: gonna miss him. I think he's gonna probably go to
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 1: the league hopefully. I mean, if he stays, that's great.
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 1: It'll it'll always be interesting for guys who are mid
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 1: round or lower round and n I L like, do
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 1: you stay for another year? Get X amount more dollars playing?
• 2:42:26
  Speaker 1: But as a running back, do you only have so
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 1: much tread on the tire?
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 4: You do?
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 1: Like the ultimate goal is NFL and you're in the
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 1: NFL second contract. As far as financials and everything else goes, Uh,
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 1: we'll see what he does. You got the portal stuff
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 1: with Roola happening, Yeah, gonna.
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 5: As we talked about. Did we talk about that last week?
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 5: Or is that news this week?
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 1: Dude? The last week of such a blur.
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 5: I think I think it was news this week.
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it started to become news a little bit
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 1: last week, and now it's gonna be it. I mean
• 2:42:54
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be news. I don't know what articles been
• 2:42:56
  Speaker 1: written out there.
• 2:42:57
  Speaker 5: What are you hearing from the inside?
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, till tall like a back on because I'm
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 1: sure he'll want to ask questions about that. But yeah, dude,
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, we got pummeled and it sucked.
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 5: Fit was that Iowa was high scoring game all season
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 5: by like a.
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 1: Lot Yeah, in the Iowahaw guys man like they own
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 1: us ten of the last eleven and you can't you know,
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 1: there ain't gonna be like I'll be talking my ship
• 2:43:21
  Speaker 1: next year when it comes. But it's one where you
• 2:43:24
  Speaker 1: just gotta you just gotta tip your cap to him
• 2:43:26
  Speaker 1: like they beat the rest. They are big, bro, there's
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 1: no defense of the border, you know. George Kittle, he was,
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 1: he was, He was hitting me up right away. Bruce Kittle,
• 2:43:34
  Speaker 1: his dad's hit me up. I got the whole family,
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 1: the Kittles hit me.
• 2:43:37
  Speaker 5: Up about Robert Gallery.
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 1: Robert Gallery. He's texting me. I forget what he said.
• 2:43:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, buddy, you need to take me to you
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 1: need to take me on one of your what's it,
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 1: what's the trip called? No be Gallery?
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 6: Hit me up.
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, buddy, you gotta take me on one of
• 2:43:54
  Speaker 1: your eye again trips like the trauma on PTSD I'm
• 2:43:57
  Speaker 1: gonna have from these Iowa guys, like next one, next
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 1: one that you host I need to be on. Yeah,
• 2:44:03
  Speaker 1: he'd be puking my guts up, puking my pain and
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 1: losses out from just the way we've been just getting
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 1: pummeled these last.
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 3: Two d The shitty thing too, is like this was
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 3: your three of Matt Ruhle.
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were trending that way starting QB broke his leg. Yeah,
• 2:44:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not here to make excuses.
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 9: You were talking Taylor when you were off the the
• 2:44:23
  Speaker 9: noise and everything of uh Rayola transferring if will was
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 9: hearing anything on the inside, but he wanted to wait
• 2:44:30
  Speaker 9: till you got back on.
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we are you willing to say on? I know
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 3: you've had conversations.
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 1: Oh you didn't even know by the fight for this
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 1: program harder than Willy. See, I know you know I'm
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 1: on the end.
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 3: You know I'm in there right. I'm saying we have
• 2:44:42
  Speaker 3: microphones on price. I know that if we were microphones
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 3: were off, you would tell me everything. Are you do
• 2:44:45
  Speaker 3: you want to talk about that?
• 2:44:48
  Speaker 1: On this I think he's going to be looking at options. Uh.
• 2:44:52
  Speaker 1: From the standpoint of Detective Willie and all the stuff
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 1: that was going on last week, it's in my mind
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 1: when that Rayola stuff came out on Nebraska is bracing
• 2:45:02
  Speaker 1: themselves to lose rail in the portal, and then I'm
• 2:45:06
  Speaker 1: hearing all it's coming from the inside of Nebraska, and
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, dude, bullshit, what is the upside for Nebraska
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 1: to want a leak or have any article written about
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 1: their star quarterback, their starting quarterback. Yeah, that he's going
• 2:45:21
  Speaker 1: to be available to the college football world two days
• 2:45:25
  Speaker 1: before we play the Alwahaw. Guys, Like, in no world
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 1: would Nebraska have that article get out there, especially for
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 1: it to be phrased and framed that Nebraska is bracing Like, basically,
• 2:45:37
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing from sources that article had zero credibility and
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 1: substance because there was no quotes from anybody on the inside.
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 1: It was just pure speculation. Or I've talked to a
• 2:45:46
  Speaker 1: couple guys like, No, who who have you talked to?
• 2:45:49
  Speaker 1: And this is the same gentleman. I forget his name,
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 1: but it might be Chris something with a C. Chris Hummer.
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 1: I think Chris Hummer. This it's the same gentleman that
• 2:46:01
  Speaker 1: was on top of the It's the same gentleman that
• 2:46:07
  Speaker 1: was on top of the leak of Raola potentially shopping
• 2:46:10
  Speaker 1: in the portal last year being connected to the Miami Hurricanes.
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 1: Chris Hummer at that story and that came out of
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 1: left field that Dylan was shopping or that Dylan was
• 2:46:19
  Speaker 1: kind of testing the portal a little bit, but Chris
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 1: Hummer was on top of that one, and nobody else
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 1: knew about that rumor other than Chris Hummer. And it's like,
• 2:46:27
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, but they need to be focused on it. No, Bro,
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 1: that leak got out last year because you're leveraging for
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 1: more NIL money from Nebraska, which Dylan did get. And
• 2:46:37
  Speaker 1: I'm all about the players getting paid. I'm all about
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 1: these games. It's just don't make it seem like it's
• 2:46:43
  Speaker 1: coming from inside Nebraska. But it's clearly not. Same guy
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 1: was on the rumor last year with Raylan Miami and
• 2:46:49
  Speaker 1: the portal that you know you're leveraging it up. Yeah,
• 2:46:53
  Speaker 1: Adam Wells wrote Bleacher Report article.
• 2:46:55
  Speaker 3: But he's Adam Wells, not a c to be seen.
• 2:46:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But then also when this one come out, it's
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 1: like this thing like this ain't coming from Nebraska football.
• 2:47:04
  Speaker 1: I promise you that so, and I respect the games
• 2:47:08
  Speaker 1: being played, but let's not act like, let's not all
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 1: sit here and act like it's coming from inside the
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 1: Nebraska building. It's not. Yeah, let's not make shit up
• 2:47:15
  Speaker 1: and words and optics matter in that game, you know what.
• 2:47:18
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here like we've been in the league, we've
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 1: been in, we've been in contract negotiations, framework reports coming
• 2:47:24
  Speaker 1: out from certain guys, like all of that stuff matters.
• 2:47:28
  Speaker 1: If it's coming out from Nebraska side, it's probably gonna
• 2:47:31
  Speaker 1: come out from what Pete Nacos, I believe, or whenever
• 2:47:35
  Speaker 1: he was on top of all the rules.
• 2:47:36
  Speaker 3: So do you think this is Dylan doing this? Do
• 2:47:38
  Speaker 3: you think it's somebody?
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 1: Don't think I don't think it's Dylan doing this. Dylan's
• 2:47:44
  Speaker 1: probably focused on getting healthy because he broke his leg,
• 2:47:47
  Speaker 1: Like he's probably just he's probably doing his thing, trying
• 2:47:49
  Speaker 1: to get his leg healthy. He's probably in a tough spot,
• 2:47:51
  Speaker 1: like we've all had major surgeries, especially when our first
• 2:47:53
  Speaker 1: one happens, Like there's some very lonely like I'm not
• 2:47:56
  Speaker 1: this not at all coming from Dylan, but yeah, it's
• 2:47:59
  Speaker 1: definitely coming, in my opinion, from Raila Camp Camp, the
• 2:48:03
  Speaker 1: rail of Camp. Don't I don't know who, Like there's
• 2:48:06
  Speaker 1: no names. I'm saying, Raila Camp. If you want if
• 2:48:10
  Speaker 1: you are shopping, you are actively shopping, which I've heard
• 2:48:13
  Speaker 1: is happening. If you're actively shopping, that doesn't come like
• 2:48:18
  Speaker 1: all that and you want the college football world to
• 2:48:20
  Speaker 1: know that Dylan is available, then you want an article
• 2:48:24
  Speaker 1: out there like I'm saying if I was in this
• 2:48:27
  Speaker 1: place and say it was it was my kid who
• 2:48:29
  Speaker 1: was the quarterback, or if it was me and I
• 2:48:31
  Speaker 1: had all this high level thinking about it all and
• 2:48:34
  Speaker 1: the strategy of it all. If you wanted to get
• 2:48:36
  Speaker 1: out there, you don't want to come from Hey, I
• 2:48:38
  Speaker 1: am actively shopping while I'm still on Nebraska's football team.
• 2:48:42
  Speaker 1: They're about to play the Iowah Hawk. Guys, my brother
• 2:48:44
  Speaker 1: just decommitted last week. Like, I'm not wanting it to be. Hey,
• 2:48:48
  Speaker 1: I'm doing all of this. You want to seem like
• 2:48:50
  Speaker 1: come out a different way, and the way you want
• 2:48:52
  Speaker 1: it to come out is the way it was written
• 2:48:54
  Speaker 1: that Nebraska's bracing for Dylan to leave, like it's a
• 2:48:57
  Speaker 1: Nebraska like a there's a Nebraska reaction from this.
• 2:49:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because last year, I don't think I heard anything
• 2:49:03
  Speaker 3: about Rayola shopping himself until after the fact.
• 2:49:06
  Speaker 1: It's interesting, Yeah, like I had heard when that came
• 2:49:09
  Speaker 1: out and when it was happening, But in my brain
• 2:49:11
  Speaker 1: it's like like I again, I understand the game being
• 2:49:15
  Speaker 1: played by players by the institution and contract, and hey,
• 2:49:19
  Speaker 1: if we do have a really good quarterback. He could
• 2:49:22
  Speaker 1: be looking at a lot of dollars out there, and
• 2:49:24
  Speaker 1: we want to keep him. We need a pony up
• 2:49:25
  Speaker 1: and pay for him so that way we can keep him.
• 2:49:28
  Speaker 1: Because this is a kid like Dylan Raila makes Nebraska better.
• 2:49:31
  Speaker 1: Dylan Railer makes Nebraska better football team. So yes, I
• 2:49:33
  Speaker 1: want Dylan Raiola on the Nebraska Cornhuskers, big Dylan Raila fan.
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 1: I'm more like just speaking on just the antics. I'm
• 2:49:40
  Speaker 1: more in the lore of Nebraska football than probably a
• 2:49:43
  Speaker 1: lot of people that are listening right now. But with
• 2:49:46
  Speaker 1: the articles and everything else coming out and then fingers
• 2:49:48
  Speaker 1: feeling like it's being pointed at Nebraska for having stuff out,
• 2:49:51
  Speaker 1: this is where I got to just defend my squad.
• 2:49:53
  Speaker 1: This is where I got to defend the turf a
• 2:49:54
  Speaker 1: little bit because I want him. Yeah, because when Matt
• 2:49:57
  Speaker 1: Rule was staying, what was happening right the boys are
• 2:50:00
  Speaker 1: out there posting he ain't going nowhere, He's locked to stay.
• 2:50:03
  Speaker 1: You want to shut this down, then you just public
• 2:50:06
  Speaker 1: this end up. Hey, I'm not going anywhere. But that's
• 2:50:08
  Speaker 1: not the reality that we're in right now, right which was.
• 2:50:10
  Speaker 3: Just totally fair for Dylan and doing the situation My
• 2:50:14
  Speaker 3: thought is is like, if you're in Nebraska, what do
• 2:50:16
  Speaker 3: you do because you just signed rule to an extension.
• 2:50:19
  Speaker 3: He got the funding and the backing that he means,
• 2:50:21
  Speaker 3: go get get these players. Yeah, at what point do
• 2:50:24
  Speaker 3: you pull a Tennessee and go, hey, we're not paying
• 2:50:27
  Speaker 3: you anymore. Like you've got enough money. We're trying to
• 2:50:30
  Speaker 3: win a championship. We need this money to go get
• 2:50:31
  Speaker 3: other players as well to make you look better.
• 2:50:33
  Speaker 1: Right, this is where that goes out of my depths.
• 2:50:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's wanting more money or if
• 2:50:37
  Speaker 1: he's just wanting another place to look for me. I'll
• 2:50:40
  Speaker 1: just be like, buddy, don't like this. Finish what we're
• 2:50:44
  Speaker 1: building something. He's a pivotal part of it. Finish what
• 2:50:47
  Speaker 1: you start. Don't run from the fight. Heel up, we
• 2:50:49
  Speaker 1: need you recruit these guys, build this program. You're the guy.
• 2:50:53
  Speaker 1: You're the kid that's gonna have a stats you.
• 2:50:55
  Speaker 3: You're if you're a running back or receiver, a tight
• 2:50:57
  Speaker 3: end somebody puts in the off side of the ball
• 2:50:59
  Speaker 3: that gets the ball. You want to go to a
• 2:51:00
  Speaker 3: place that you're going to be showcased. And if you
• 2:51:03
  Speaker 3: don't have a quarterback or you don't know if the
• 2:51:04
  Speaker 3: quarterback that you would be throwing to you would be there.
• 2:51:07
  Speaker 3: It's very difficult to get these guys. Hey, we'll pay
• 2:51:09
  Speaker 3: you two million dollars to come. It's like two million
• 2:51:11
  Speaker 3: dollars is great, But I'm trying to make it to
• 2:51:12
  Speaker 3: the league and I need somebody to facilitate me the football.
• 2:51:15
  Speaker 3: And that's the issue that Nebraska's running into. I hate
• 2:51:19
  Speaker 3: this feeling for Nebraska right now. I know and as
• 2:51:23
  Speaker 3: a friend, as long as I've known you, it's never
• 2:51:28
  Speaker 3: felt this dark. And I'm not I'm not saying that's
• 2:51:32
  Speaker 3: I know you up. I'm not.
• 2:51:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 2:51:34
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying this is a very like uncomfortable feeling
• 2:51:40
  Speaker 3: sitting here being like, isn't like is Nebraska getting better?
• 2:51:44
  Speaker 3: Is there? I'm sure something's gonna happen in the offseason
• 2:51:47
  Speaker 3: with transfer portal and recruiting class and all that. We'll
• 2:51:49
  Speaker 3: be like, look at this, this is what we have
• 2:51:52
  Speaker 3: to hang on hat out right now. It doesn't feel
• 2:51:53
  Speaker 3: like there's something there to be like Nebraska the next
• 2:51:57
  Speaker 3: step next year right as.
• 2:51:58
  Speaker 1: Far as like progress seeing from where the bar is
• 2:52:01
  Speaker 1: at right now, Like I one one believe Rule is
• 2:52:05
  Speaker 1: the guy I just think we're going into an off
• 2:52:08
  Speaker 1: season where there's a lot of games as game play
• 2:52:10
  Speaker 1: versus finding these ways to push the boat forward. It
• 2:52:12
  Speaker 1: feels there's gonna be a lot of recruiting that has
• 2:52:14
  Speaker 1: to happen, potentially in house. I have no clue, but
• 2:52:17
  Speaker 1: you're right and to the point, because again, when we
• 2:52:20
  Speaker 1: were talking before the year or before the year started,
• 2:52:23
  Speaker 1: and you said seven and five, and I'm like, seven
• 2:52:24
  Speaker 1: and five would feel like a failure of a season.
• 2:52:26
  Speaker 3: I'm sick to my stomach that we're sitting here in
• 2:52:28
  Speaker 3: the answer of seven and five.
• 2:52:30
  Speaker 1: But you were saying, this is like, hey, just one
• 2:52:32
  Speaker 1: step at it. You know, it's one game at a time,
• 2:52:33
  Speaker 1: one step at the time.
• 2:52:34
  Speaker 3: I've already said that, I've already shook her hands said
• 2:52:36
  Speaker 3: that's not good enough. Ye Like, I think I wish
• 2:52:38
  Speaker 3: you never made me to shoot my hand because I'd
• 2:52:40
  Speaker 3: be able to sit there and be like, hey, you're
• 2:52:41
  Speaker 3: technically a game better like in four next year, nine
• 2:52:44
  Speaker 3: to three, right, two.
• 2:52:45
  Speaker 1: But I think you're in enough to where you can
• 2:52:47
  Speaker 1: stand on the record. But my reaction to you having
• 2:52:51
  Speaker 1: that record is like, no, bro, it won't be optimismly,
• 2:52:53
  Speaker 1: it's going to feel like we're failing. And so that's
• 2:52:57
  Speaker 1: where end the year seven and five. You end off
• 2:52:59
  Speaker 1: these two asshole but we took from Penn State and
• 2:53:01
  Speaker 1: Iowan and it's like, God, you.
• 2:53:06
  Speaker 3: Know, I'm with you because you're You're right, like seven
• 2:53:09
  Speaker 3: and five is not okay, Like you guys have gotten
• 2:53:13
  Speaker 3: the monkey off your bag. From a bowl game standpoint,
• 2:53:15
  Speaker 3: that was fun. We had a good time with that.
• 2:53:16
  Speaker 3: Like bowl games don't matter. They don't. Some players sit out,
• 2:53:21
  Speaker 3: they they go to the NFL, they they start to transfer.
• 2:53:24
  Speaker 3: Like bowl games do not matter. And I said that
• 2:53:27
  Speaker 3: before Michigan beat Alabama last year because bowl games don't
• 2:53:31
  Speaker 3: fucking matter. So are your record seven and five?
• 2:53:34
  Speaker 1: Well, if we win a bowl game, we will be
• 2:53:35
  Speaker 1: eight and five, you know what I'm saying.
• 2:53:37
  Speaker 3: That's why I disagree with you, and I understand why
• 2:53:39
  Speaker 3: you would do that.
• 2:53:40
  Speaker 1: For the mental aspect, well, there's teams like you're gonna
• 2:53:42
  Speaker 1: play a team to where yeah, it's not like Michigan
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 1: was seven and five last year and then they played
• 2:53:48
  Speaker 1: a bowl game that they won.
• 2:53:49
  Speaker 3: They were seven and five. Yeah, still they beat Alabama.
• 2:53:53
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh shit, this is awesome. But the reality
• 2:53:55
  Speaker 3: is is half their team sat out, and a lot
• 2:53:58
  Speaker 3: of our guys sat out too, And it's like, all right,
• 2:54:01
  Speaker 3: Like that's if it happened in the regular season, I'm
• 2:54:04
  Speaker 3: way more fired up than if it happened at a
• 2:54:06
  Speaker 3: bowl game, Like the Citrus Bowl isn't fucking getting me
• 2:54:10
  Speaker 3: from six to midnight.
• 2:54:12
  Speaker 1: I feel what you're saying, because say, uh, Emmett is
• 2:54:15
  Speaker 1: going to the NFL, right, and he sits out of
• 2:54:18
  Speaker 1: the bowl game, then yeah, it's I'm thinking to myself,
• 2:54:21
  Speaker 1: all right, we lose this game, like we didn't have
• 2:54:23
  Speaker 1: Emmitt Johnson.
• 2:54:24
  Speaker 3: It's an insurance policy, just like Alabama had an insurance
• 2:54:26
  Speaker 3: policy last year. Like, yeah, a lot of their players
• 2:54:28
  Speaker 3: didn't play, a lot of our players didn't play. But
• 2:54:30
  Speaker 3: at the same time, it's like you're just having two
• 2:54:32
  Speaker 3: cool logos play each other, Alabama and Mission. Oh this
• 2:54:36
  Speaker 3: is dope. You barely ever get to see this. Ain't
• 2:54:38
  Speaker 3: nobody gives a fuck really about that? No one, No
• 2:54:41
  Speaker 3: one actually cares.
• 2:54:42
  Speaker 1: You could if everybody in the locker room does, no
• 2:54:44
  Speaker 1: if everybody played, Like again, if we need everybody for
• 2:54:47
  Speaker 1: the bowl game and everybody has that outlook in the
• 2:54:51
  Speaker 1: rally for the bowl game, absolutely to me, my brain film.
• 2:54:55
  Speaker 3: My brain's on. Well, look what just happened to Michigan
• 2:54:57
  Speaker 3: versus a hot state. How do we beat that? How
• 2:55:00
  Speaker 3: do we bet when they already have a top three
• 2:55:03
  Speaker 3: recruiting class coming in? We need to go fuck a
• 2:55:06
  Speaker 3: bowl game.
• 2:55:07
  Speaker 1: But you know, the bowl game, that's a disservice to
• 2:55:10
  Speaker 1: the senior the guys who are still trying to play
• 2:55:12
  Speaker 1: some ball.
• 2:55:12
  Speaker 3: The bowl game is important for the fifteen practices. That's
• 2:55:16
  Speaker 3: the most important part of the bowl game. That's the
• 2:55:19
  Speaker 3: most important part of the bowl game is that fifteen practices.
• 2:55:22
  Speaker 3: She has excel work. I'm gonna I'm gonna watch whatever
• 2:55:24
  Speaker 3: game Michigan's in, and I'm gonna be rooting for him.
• 2:55:26
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be hoping they win.
• 2:55:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you are, man no, But at the.
• 2:55:29
  Speaker 3: End of the day, like whether they win or lose,
• 2:55:32
  Speaker 3: I want to see progress. So Bryce plays in the game,
• 2:55:35
  Speaker 3: or Jordan Marshall plays, or you know these receivers. I
• 2:55:39
  Speaker 3: want to see Andrew marsh take a step. I want
• 2:55:42
  Speaker 3: to see mcculey take a step, even though he's a senior, Like,
• 2:55:44
  Speaker 3: I want to see these things happen. So I go.
• 2:55:47
  Speaker 3: I'm really excited for next year because the bowl game
• 2:55:50
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter record wise, it doesn't do anything for you.
• 2:55:53
  Speaker 3: The transfer portal, the recruiting class, the development of players,
• 2:55:58
  Speaker 3: the spring practice, that camp this season, that's what matters, truly,
• 2:56:03
  Speaker 3: because no one's gonna look at the big bad morble.
• 2:56:07
  Speaker 3: No one's gonna be like, yeah, but we got that,
• 2:56:09
  Speaker 3: didn't we boys? Like if seven and five is a
• 2:56:13
  Speaker 3: is not is not good enough for for Nebraska, then
• 2:56:16
  Speaker 3: having a big bad Morbile victory doesn't mean ship.
• 2:56:19
  Speaker 1: It's the bad boys.
• 2:56:24
  Speaker 3: Nine three for Michigan.
• 2:56:26
  Speaker 1: Hey, Pabbly, if Pabby and cater here, get it, get
• 2:56:28
  Speaker 1: him in.
• 2:56:29
  Speaker 5: This is separated for the episode.
• 2:56:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, Brian Day's not four, No, he's for today.
• 2:56:35
  Speaker 1: Oh I thought he was going on busting because then
• 2:56:37
  Speaker 1: you just seamlessly talk through he's going on college football,
• 2:56:42
  Speaker 1: and then they're gonna wrap get footage to Jared for
• 2:56:46
  Speaker 1: him to add it, and then they went you guys
• 2:56:48
  Speaker 1: over there with get a little bit of like oh
• 2:56:52
  Speaker 1: I got you. Yeah.
• 2:56:55
  Speaker 3: All that being said, man, all eyes on twenty six,
• 2:56:58
  Speaker 3: like all eyes on January second. Then transferportal opens, and
• 2:57:02
  Speaker 3: I need a lot of block ms next to a
• 2:57:04
  Speaker 3: lot of fucking talent. I need everybody, transfer Portal, I
• 2:57:10
  Speaker 3: need fucking everybody, Cam Coleman, fucking Ryan Williams, that kid
• 2:57:16
  Speaker 3: from Clemson, bring them, I meet them, everybody, everybody.
• 2:57:21
  Speaker 1: It's like, I know the feeling that I have right now,
• 2:57:24
  Speaker 1: it's a sad feeling because you can't see the light.
• 2:57:27
  Speaker 1: But where my optimism lies is in the month of December,
• 2:57:31
  Speaker 1: when the headlines start coming out, whether it's transfer portal, recruits,
• 2:57:36
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's going to be back. I knew,
• 2:57:38
  Speaker 1: I knew that was yeah, that was gonna come down
• 2:57:40
  Speaker 1: the pipe.
• 2:57:41
  Speaker 3: The problem that Nebraska has right now is you guys
• 2:57:44
  Speaker 3: have to beautifully orchestrate this chessboard between now and spring,
• 2:57:50
  Speaker 3: like you have to handle the Dylan situation while also
• 2:57:53
  Speaker 3: getting receivers grabbing a couple of defensive guys like it's
• 2:57:57
  Speaker 3: gotta you can't just make sure your boat's good. You've
• 2:58:00
  Speaker 3: got to optimize your vote.
• 2:58:01
  Speaker 1: I agree. I think coach Rule. I think he is
• 2:58:05
  Speaker 1: the guy for the job, and that job. I think
• 2:58:07
  Speaker 1: he's gonna have hard decisions to look at him make,
• 2:58:09
  Speaker 1: whether it's with staff, whether it's with players. That you
• 2:58:12
  Speaker 1: have to do that self, scout, because he is like
• 2:58:14
  Speaker 1: that is everybody's putting it into coach leading us to
• 2:58:18
  Speaker 1: this national title. I know one movie did make last
• 2:58:21
  Speaker 1: off season. That was Mike Eckler. Hey, coach eck Man.
• 2:58:25
  Speaker 1: He's up for awards of special teams. Yeah, he is
• 2:58:28
  Speaker 1: the man. Bro. I I'm so fired up that he's
• 2:58:30
  Speaker 1: had he's had success that he's been telling me that.
• 2:58:34
  Speaker 1: You know, He's like, once I get dude, Will He's
• 2:58:37
  Speaker 1: teaching me about special teams. He's doing all these things
• 2:58:39
  Speaker 1: once he got the job, and I'm like, heck, I
• 2:58:40
  Speaker 1: hear you, Bro, I'm thinking best special teams in the country.
• 2:58:43
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that would be awesome. But this could
• 2:58:46
  Speaker 1: sell ice to an Eskimo, like he could sell anything.
• 2:58:49
  Speaker 3: I would have. I would love to poach Eckler in Michigan.
• 2:58:51
  Speaker 3: I would love to our special teams was all year.
• 2:58:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it crushed it. Man. I was fired. I was
• 2:58:58
  Speaker 1: pumped to see the success that he's had this year
• 2:59:00
  Speaker 1: in Nebraska, especially being a Nebraska boy.
• 2:59:02
  Speaker 3: This is where this is where like sadness starts to
• 2:59:05
  Speaker 3: creep in for your team if your team's not in
• 2:59:07
  Speaker 3: the playoff. It's like, I'm really excited to watch these playoffs. Unfold,
• 2:59:09
  Speaker 3: the chaos all that stuff. But this piece, man, it's like,
• 2:59:13
  Speaker 3: I really wish it was August.
• 2:59:15
  Speaker 1: Nobody we are, dude, this is prime.
• 2:59:18
  Speaker 3: I know, I know, but I just want to watch
• 2:59:22
  Speaker 3: my boys.
• 2:59:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I want to watch my guy think about
• 2:59:25
  Speaker 1: the chaos we have coming up. Oh yeah, we get
• 2:59:29
  Speaker 1: to live in watch from the inside. It's like going
• 2:59:33
  Speaker 1: into an F five and we're just sitting there in
• 2:59:34
  Speaker 1: the in the eye of the storm seeing it happen.
• 2:59:37
  Speaker 1: Especially if we get b YU this week, especially Georgia
• 2:59:41
  Speaker 1: wins byu Wins Duke Wins, Like, people are gonna be
• 2:59:45
  Speaker 1: going crazy, and we get to have on Pave and
• 2:59:47
  Speaker 1: Cad a couple of boys. They're sitting there at ten
• 2:59:49
  Speaker 1: and two like they should. Yeah, you guys deserve to
• 2:59:52
  Speaker 1: be in. Absolutely, it also seems like they're not. It
• 2:59:54
  Speaker 1: seems like they're not gonna be in.
• 2:59:56
  Speaker 3: Kate's texting me last night, He's like, you think I'll
• 3:00:00
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about with him on the show, but he's like,
• 3:00:01
  Speaker 3: what do you think of this? Happened to that? And
• 3:00:03
  Speaker 3: ultimately we have no clue, We have no idea. I'm
• 3:00:05
  Speaker 3: no fu I thought Clark Lee was gonna leave. It's
• 3:00:07
  Speaker 3: almost like, hey, you gotta get out. Clark Lee's gonna go.
• 3:00:09
  Speaker 3: He just had an extension.
• 3:00:10
  Speaker 1: I did no five top conference team that five conference
• 3:00:13
  Speaker 1: champs got in. Yeah, the people are in fact checking me.
• 3:00:16
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the rules. I'm like, God, damn, I
• 3:00:17
  Speaker 1: guess I was wrong on that one. Dude.
• 3:00:19
  Speaker 3: The GF I just went to so dumb. The G
• 3:00:21
  Speaker 3: five thing is so dumb. You need an extraordinary G
• 3:00:24
  Speaker 3: five team to get in. And I know I caught
• 3:00:26
  Speaker 3: a lot of heat on that. Fucking shut up.
• 3:00:30
  Speaker 1: We caught a lot of love too, Bro, don't worry
• 3:00:32
  Speaker 1: about the side that the loud minority.
• 3:00:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, But I'm just saying, like, when I would
• 3:00:36
  Speaker 3: see a couple of comments, Andy'd be like these spoken
• 3:00:38
  Speaker 3: guys like, no, dude, you're in North Texas, no disrespect.
• 3:00:41
  Speaker 3: These are the big dogs. If you're twelve and zero
• 3:00:44
  Speaker 3: and you're winning by like a point differential of like forty,
• 3:00:47
  Speaker 3: you guys should fucking be in that thing. Because I
• 3:00:48
  Speaker 3: don't want to see that squad against that squad. But
• 3:00:52
  Speaker 3: I don't want to see a one loss North Texas
• 3:00:54
  Speaker 3: team who lost sixty three to thirty nine versus some
• 3:00:57
  Speaker 3: random ass school. I don't want to see jmuos eleven
• 3:00:59
  Speaker 3: and one. I don't Tulane you lost your coach.
• 3:01:03
  Speaker 1: And if so, it should just be one. Like to me,
• 3:01:05
  Speaker 1: it's it comes down to you know, you look at
• 3:01:07
  Speaker 1: high school football, it's one A all the way up
• 3:01:09
  Speaker 1: to six A, right like there is levels and they've
• 3:01:12
  Speaker 1: had a hell of a year to where G five
• 3:01:14
  Speaker 1: is having a tournament, Like I'd tune in. I would say,
• 3:01:16
  Speaker 1: who's gonna win the G five? The N I T
• 3:01:19
  Speaker 1: I would love to see an N I T tournament
• 3:01:21
  Speaker 1: just other classes. But yeah, bro, there's there's too many
• 3:01:24
  Speaker 1: of these bottom feeder type teams, not bottom top of
• 3:01:28
  Speaker 1: their bottom feeder conferences that are going to get into
• 3:01:31
  Speaker 1: this playoff and screw out some teams that very much Miami,
• 3:01:34
  Speaker 1: they are twelve best teams in college.
• 3:01:36
  Speaker 3: You're gonna say, I want to watch Tulane an Oregon
• 3:01:41
  Speaker 3: versus Oregon and Vanderbilt. No fucking way, no way, get
• 3:01:46
  Speaker 3: bent you want to watch you want to watch North
• 3:01:49
  Speaker 3: Texas and Oregon? Or do you want to watch Miami
• 3:01:51
  Speaker 3: in Orgon? And I'm almost saying that because they're they're
• 3:01:53
  Speaker 3: the ones that the five seeds, so they would play
• 3:01:55
  Speaker 3: one of those teams.
• 3:01:55
  Speaker 1: I wish we could be fluid every year at the
• 3:01:57
  Speaker 1: playoff to where you just make decisions based on what
• 3:02:00
  Speaker 1: everybody's kind of feeling, to the point where I'm like, okay,
• 3:02:02
  Speaker 1: you know what, we have ten locks that are gonna
• 3:02:04
  Speaker 1: be in the College Hope play there's gonna be two
• 3:02:06
  Speaker 1: spots left. Let's get an eight team bracket. All these arguments,
• 3:02:10
  Speaker 1: all these teams Miami, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, tex JMU, North Texas, Duke, Virginia,
• 3:02:17
  Speaker 1: there's eight right there, or BYU for one of them
• 3:02:19
  Speaker 1: and have them battle out for the two slots.
• 3:02:21
  Speaker 3: Don't eight teams four? Yes, okay, I'm back with you.
• 3:02:25
  Speaker 1: Two slots that go into their playing game of the
• 3:02:28
  Speaker 1: championship winner that championship then goes out and plays Ohio
• 3:02:31
  Speaker 1: State after their bye week. Like the easiest spot to
• 3:02:34
  Speaker 1: be in for AHA State because team's got to play
• 3:02:36
  Speaker 1: three more games before they get to them. And you
• 3:02:38
  Speaker 1: want to earn your spot in the tournament, Yes, you
• 3:02:40
  Speaker 1: got to go through this, you know, eight man bracket,
• 3:02:42
  Speaker 1: get to the championship. That's the playing game to play
• 3:02:45
  Speaker 1: Ohio State. That's how I want this game.
• 3:02:48
  Speaker 3: Here's what I want. I want the eight teams to play.
• 3:02:49
  Speaker 3: You get to the final two teams. Hey, guys, you're
• 3:02:51
  Speaker 3: both in. We go to a gas station on a Desa, Texas,
• 3:02:54
  Speaker 3: and we flip a coin and one whoever gets the
• 3:02:58
  Speaker 3: coin tosses the eleven. The other one is the two.
• 3:03:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe maybe with the three you are argue
• 3:03:04
  Speaker 1: for the SEC, right, it would be Texas, would be Vanderbilt,
• 3:03:07
  Speaker 1: and then Bama. Bama loss the SEC championship, Just do uh.
• 3:03:18
  Speaker 5: Texas and Miami.
• 3:03:20
  Speaker 1: Right if you get outside, I'm saying that the SEC
• 3:03:22
  Speaker 1: had one. They want to go full Texas football mode,
• 3:03:24
  Speaker 1: like they know football the best secam.
• 3:03:28
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