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Alex Zietlow of the Charlotte Observer talks Carolina Panthers 53-man roster! | C3 BeatCheck · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back, C3Lugin, to another long awaited edition of the C3B check, where we sit down with the Beat reporter who covers the Carolina Panthers, pick their brain and see what's going on with this team that we love the 2020 season is upon us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And man, oh man, we are pumped for football to be back and we're pumped to bring you more of this content as this season comes closer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a long time friend of the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been on here before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was kind enough to do a whole piece on me a few years back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to my buddy, my friend, Alex, Zylo, Alex, what's up brother, how are you man?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to the C3B check.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yo, I am honored to be here and like you were talking off camera, like we're both so tired.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We are still both so ready for week one, but also we're so ready for this weekend, our final weekend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: of freedom prior to NFL football start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm excited for that, but I'm super excited for week one, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I'm pumped, you know, I feel like this off season has been one of the most exciting off seasons in recent history, man, from the sheer number of free agent signings, the draft class that fans weirdly enough seem universally pretty high on, you know, this is a, this is a different experience being a Panthers fan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody's something to debate and bigger about, but everybody seems to be pretty positive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of positivity
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[SPEAKER_01]: for a number of different reasons, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm definitely excited to have you all on, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that optimism is true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it rings true from the fan base to in the locker and with the players and the coaches in this front office.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the Panthers ended up in the playoffs last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the fact that they had such a great showing
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just so happened to be fan-favorite, wider-severed, jail-and-coker, like all of these things kind of aligned to the point where, oh my gosh, there is so much optimism, and there's optimism on a national scale beyond just an local level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've talked about this a couple of times, but the difference in perception between
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know the local fans and the people who are living in Charlotte living in North Carolina and the Carolinas versus the perception of the national media and the national NFL fan and the fans who can really only you know be acquainted with the Panthers via fantasy football
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the Panthers don't have a lot of fantasy football guys outside of Teteroma, McMillan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when you watch this team week in week out last year and you saw how clutch Bryce Young was in certain moments, when you saw how you know explosive recode doubtal could be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you saw like Teteroma, McMillan's emergence, when you saw Gianna Coker finally, healthy like
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many things that I think the local fans picked up on and we're like, yo, there's legitimate reason for optimism, whereas nationally, you know, it's it's a little different of a story and I think the national consciousness is kind of caught up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with everyone in Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, the panthers sort of got back toward into the playoffs, but then giving the Los Angeles Rams, everything they could handle at home coming down to the wire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think, you know, I echo your sentiment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It really kind of showed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the national football community what the Panthers are capable of, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so pumped for this next season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you are too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's jump right into it, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a few questions prepared for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the first one is, you know, one of the most recent things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like I want to start there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Carolina Panthers signed Free Agent Bobby O'Kara K.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Alex, my question to you is, when do you think Dan Morgan and Dave can now is really kind of new that the guy they wanted to play next to Devin Lloyd wasn't on the roster, which was kind of to say, when did they feel like Trevin Wallace specifically was not going to be that answer?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you think this process played out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what went into the decision to say, hey, we need to upgrade this position of group, we need to get it better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Bobbi, your care is that God that they landed on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's a really fascinating question that honestly it's one that I haven't even contemplated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We do know certain facts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We know that Dan Morgan reached out to Bobbi okay and his team earlier in the summer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think Bobbi even said maybe even in March or April,
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they knew of Bobby Ocaricke and they knew that he was on the freeage of market.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now that could just be them checking in with Ocaricke while they're also pursuing Devon Lloyd and at the same time, and then Devon became available at the right price point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they went.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and ultimately initiated that acquisition, but it's still interesting to note that they had made contact early.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is just my thoughts and my feelings and based on the vibe around Dave Canalis, but I think that they wanted to give Trevin Wallace every opportunity to succeed here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For a variety of reasons, he's beloved in the locker room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was beloved in the locker room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like joyful to be around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He did a really good job of kind of ingrained himself into this Panthers culture, whether that be getting mentorship from Thomas Davis, Dan Morgan, Luke Keakley, whether that be staying in touch with Jocie Jewel after Jocie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: had to get released by the team to, you know, his injury situation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and he was a draft pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You cannot understate the fact that this front office believes, and they believe this, like, very strongly, which is why some of their moves at the 53 man roster deadline was like mad, interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they very staunchly believe that the way to build a winning program is to draft well and then to retain your draft picks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that is what Grant Tillis did in Kansas City.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is what Dan Morgan has seen succeed, whether that be in Buffalo, any first started in Seattle, now to the best teams in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of what he's trying to do here in Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so for them to cut ties with a draft pick and not just any draft pick, a third round draft pick in 2020.
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[SPEAKER_02]: um, it was not an easy decision by any means.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that they were going to give trevin, um, every opportunity to win this job.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, what did winning the job look like?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is still kind of hard to tell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know what,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was as easy as, okay, you need to be better than Claude and chairless and we're going to feel comfortable with you as the starting linebacker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't exactly what he needed to prove what could threshold he needed to cross.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that, but they clearly didn't see enough growth from him and I imagine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't see enough growth around him specifically in the coverage game because he was pretty good blitzing line back as we've as we've documented before so it's it's a great question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I but just my natural inclination is to say that they gave trev in every opportunity because it just would make sense given their kind of ethos is to how they treat draft picks and how they don't just let draft picks walk for nothing very often.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and also how they felt comfortable with Jackson Coolwatch and Claude and chairless being the depth behind Bobby O'Kerick A.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really interesting, you know, especially when considering Trevor Wallace had so much experience in this Jero, a very defensive, you know, I think Dan Morgan is growing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of showing an inability to kind of
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this sounds kind of mean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say cut dead weight, but to kind of move on to a little bit early rather than be too late.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's kind of a testament to the growth of Dan Morgan, Alex, I'm going to stay on the same defensive track here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just want to talk about the defense just in general.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to say something real quick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, I have done several of these and you just love the defense man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember the first time we talked like you wanted to talk about Brian Burns more than anybody else on the roster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You just love Panthers defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm an old school guy in a new school body, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, you know, I love a good defensive slow face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And listen, man, I have a bit of a hot take.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's specifically this defensive
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[SPEAKER_01]: could potentially be top five in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, even some of our own fans give us pushback, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said you're shaking your head, dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I really think that this team has the potential to be a special unit, specifically on the defense of front seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not that the backfield couldn't also be a great part of that, but to me, if that front seven plays fast, it allows your backfield to play the ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and, you know, get takeaways, which is what a defense wants to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But my question to you is kind of broad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are your expectations for the Panthers defense in 2020-26 as a whole?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They bring in Jailin Phillips.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the highest-paid Carolina Panther ever in the history of the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can now pair him a direct brown on the defensive line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Devon Lloyd is already looking like he's going to pay dividends being that green dot in the middle of the field now you're bringing Bobbioke Okay, some of the young guys have an opportunity to step up like Prince of your man B. Ellen Patrick Jones has an opportunity to do some damage Just what is your assessment of this defense and how a zero and vero
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of is piecing this together after a couple of lack less through the years in Carolina, whether you're overall assessment of this defense and what do you think the Panthers front office thinks about what they have going into the season?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this can be a top 15 defense and I know you said top five front said tell them to pump my brakes a little bit Okay, I really and this is strange because normally I'm the guy who has to guy know like this defense is legitimate like no before Okay, Joe's sustained a season ending injury last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was actually playing and he was actually playing pretty well not necessarily in the past Rush game then the run and the run stop in game who's actually pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I normally have to be that guy
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[SPEAKER_02]: But right now, I have to be the other guy, which is I think they're a top 15, I think they can be and will be a top 15 decent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would probably launch them into the top 10 if Nick's court and we're still around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it's really hard to overstate how big of a loss that was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bad, he was like, he was not only a relentless pasture, a disciplined run stopper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He also was so versatile, like the narrative of the season was going to be how Jalen Phillips can unlock Nick Scordon, but I think Nick Scordon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: could have unlocked Jalen Phillips in so many ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he could have unlocked, like you saw a Derek Brown had one of his best past rushing years, ever probably his best past rushing year ever, and makes Gordon had something to do with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, yeah, I,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think losing him is really huge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm not going to go full bore on the top five or how the exact word you say, I don't want to take a minute of context or anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But as you said, there's a lot of talent at every single layer of this defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got a pro bowler in JC Horne, it should be pro bowler in Derek Brown.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then among the safety is trademark.
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[SPEAKER_02]: was really impactful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't super impactful when you talk about being a coverage safety, but that's not what the Panthers use to mass in many situations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was also a linebacker in a lot of different ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I mean, him and Dime Linebacker is one of the most effective
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[SPEAKER_02]: of objects that you've ever used last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but like I still go to this defensive line and I know Derek Brown can cover up so many mistakes and and Devon Lloyd behind that defensive line can figure out a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: who is going to be your other two damn linemen next to them?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're just an unproven territory when you talk back there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we'll see what we see from Lee Hunter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like Lee Hunter didn't necessarily flash when I watched him in training camp.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, training camp's kind of weird because you only can't necessarily see
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[SPEAKER_02]: every part of the field, you only have a sort of vague understanding of who controlled the line of skirmish on every play, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Derek Brown was, but Derek Brown was still making his mark, and Lee was, he didn't seem like he was flashing as much as other players.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to be, I'm trying to be fair and delicate when I say that, so that's why I might be there for my words.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's, um, that defensive line is going to be interesting if Jalen Phillips can have a really good year, if, uh, Jacy Horn and if Mike Jackson can kind of play up to the zenith of football that he's been playing the last two years, then this defense is going to be good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you got to be able to stop the run, you got to be able to control the line of skirmish and that's just the only place where I'm a little bit nervous about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, there's definitely some one proven players.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Cam Jackson, second gear players, the listed as a starter on this team right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really liked Cam.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited that they're giving him that opportunity to kind of show what he can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And know that he had a couple of good reps and some one-on-ones against Sam Hacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Sam Hacks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he looks like a bulldozer man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is every bit six, but six, looks like 235 pounds out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he looks like he can make a difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, you know, you're, you're right about that back field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My Jackson is, he's looking to get paid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he, he, he wants to earn another contract this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that'll be a good incentive for him and T.C.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want, probably one of the more underrated corner tandem than all of the NFL, in my opinion, you know, maybe I'm just being a homeer, but yeah, they're a massive effort.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Little, massive effort literally said that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: heading into the playoff game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He might have been saying that because he threw what two interceptions the last time played Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, he was trying to he might have been doing some MVP campaigning there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can ever tell, but yeah, like dude, he'd like this team, these cornerbacks made plays last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's no real reason to think that they won't again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's funny to Alex to say that I'm a defensive guy and literally all the rest of my questions revolve around the offense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's fine, but the fact that you started with defense is revealing enough to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, no, I love a good defense, but I feel like the bulk of my questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: are about this offense and I actually want to start with the six wide receivers that the Carolina Panthers listed in their wide receiver room because that was one of the more interesting battles that fans were watching, you know, and training camp in during the pre-season is who were the wide receivers that Carolina Panthers were going to keep on the 52-man roster because there was such a dirt of talent
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[SPEAKER_01]: on this roster that maybe there wasn't before, you know, pricing to man, John Metchi, you know, who has a history with Bryce, David Moore was someone that the Panthers clearly have a history in a relationship with Jimmy Horne, Jr. trying to earn a place, but ultimately they did decide to go with some of the younger guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my question is, what does it say to do that the Carolina Panthers ultimately did decide to keep Jimmy Horne Jr. and John Netchy on the roster and how much the special team just played into that if anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, your question is like very insightful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, when I can say about Jimmy Horn Jr., one he was a draft pick, and it goes back to what I was saying earlier, they really believe in the draft picks, and they really want the draft picks to succeed for obvious reasons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Secondly, I think they were really impressed with what Jimmy Horn Jr did in the return game in the preseason, like in training camp,
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of hard to explain, but you don't get live reps at returning kicks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't get live reps at returning points that those special teams periods are for essentially for the coverage units and for that they're also for the return units, but not for the return or himself, they're for like figuring out how that return unit is going to block for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and so we're where to go and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So really what the returner does back there is he catches the ball and then he just kind of runs and he might make it cut or two, but you're decelerating quickly because you don't want to have unnecessary injury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So through all that, Jimmy warned you or did not get to prove how fast he was, how quick he was, how good he was in the return game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He just, that wasn't an opportunity in training camp for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think in the preseason games, they kind of were reminded,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wait.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of this guy's skills.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of his like unbelievable talents is his return game ability.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then on top of that Trevor H and gets hurt in the final preseason game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, OK, well, now we have a legitimate opportunity to not only have him be on this roster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but have Jimmy Warren be active on game days.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because if you remember, like the Panthers would rarely have five receivers active.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, they occasionally would, but if that's the case in Jimmy, corn would probably only be in for certain gadget plays and maybe Bryce and Tremaine only gets in on special teams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like now they're gonna be able to have
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[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe even all six acts of on game days because John Messier will be the backup on return and and figure things out from there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm kind of rambling
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they ultimately just decided that special teams is what got John met you the job over just seemed read.
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[SPEAKER_02]: John met she's a really good route runner as well, but they need a back up front returner and just seemed just didn't do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he was he was on other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was on other he had other special teams duties during training camp and John met she's one of those guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if I don't have a crystal ball, but I would imagine that when Trevor H and get's back, that could put John Mitchie at risk of being cut or let go or whatever, I'm just reading the T leaves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But of course, John Mitchie balled out in the preseason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What if he balls out in the next in the first four weeks?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there are so many things that are up on the table.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that's the most concise way to put it
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[SPEAKER_02]: and Jimmy in and Jimmy Horn Jr's case being a draft pick one out, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think special teams are so soft in the way a lot of these players find themselves on the roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you also have to imagine that losing Chris Brazzle probably really changed things and how this wide receiver room paned out for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Dave Cannellis was talking about moving T-Mac into the slot primarily because of the presence of Brazzle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he seemed to be like, he was,
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[SPEAKER_01]: going to be a real big part of what they were doing, and then to lose him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to me, that kind of really shook the snow globe and caused them to have to pivot at the end there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to stay on past catchers for a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to stay on to go about these tight ends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You just talk about these tight ends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, one of them, yeah, one of them is specifically a former pro baller.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My question is about to pass catcher specifically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One who was new to the team in Darren Waller and what role in position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He actually played this in this offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Xavier Legut coming into his own and really trying to carve out a place in this roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They literally paid Jayland Coker who was an undrafted free agent the same year that they drafted Xavier like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I know that's kind of a two-partner, but let's start with Darren Waller.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What type of role did you think Darren Waller as a Titan plays as a past catcher in this offense specifically?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's an interesting question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His strength is obviously being an explosive tie-in is being like the guy who can essentially be a massive slot receiver and have these nightmare mismatches for inside linebackers or, you know, nickel corners.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, ideally, that's how he's used in his Panthers offense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We just haven't seen it yet because he's had very little experience in teenagers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he was even not practicing this week, he and Jonathan Roach were training off to the side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dave can now call it in general maintenance for their wallet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we still don't really know what his role in this offense is going to be, but ideally it would be some of like him being just like a massive slot receiver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And and and of course Brad is like in Dave can now love them some 12 personnel 13 personnel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's obviously going to have to block and be a legitimate title too, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's I guess I'm just saying it's hard to extrapolate what they're well as role is going to be right now for Xavier to get He has a gift for linear speed and he has a gift for Like
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[SPEAKER_02]: He has he has he has a get for linear speed and he should have all the measurables to be a deep threat wide receiver.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He really he just really should be.
24:30
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of what he was touted as coming out of the NFL draft.
24:33
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what every believer in Xavier like it has said over and over again.
24:37
[SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't been able to do it the first two years.
24:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I would be interested to see if they find a way to utilize him in ways beyond just putting him out at the z position and just having him run go routes or just having him be scheme dope and for these 15 yard square in sort of past plays like I think Chris Brassel if they're really looking for someone to take the top off of these defenses Chris Brassel is
25:06
[SPEAKER_02]: a little bit more of that prototype than Xavier is.
25:10
[SPEAKER_02]: But when it comes to Xavier to get, he has more things to worry about than finding out his role in this offense.
25:20
[SPEAKER_02]: He needs to become a reliable past catcher.
25:23
[SPEAKER_02]: He needs to know where he's at on the field when it comes to his relation to the sideline whether if he's lined up correctly and all these things.
25:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And he knows that and he's taken accountability for it.
25:36
[SPEAKER_02]: from that perspective, that's where Zavir's efforts need to be going.
25:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And quite frankly, if I'm a fan, that's what I'm watching.
25:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not watching, you know, like how many targets Zavir gets, I'm seeing if he actually takes advantage of the few targets he gets, because this passing off it's just running through T-Mac.
25:55
[SPEAKER_02]: It always has, you know, it always will.
25:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so that's that.
26:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I actually had a bit of a strong take about Xavier again.
26:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I said that this year, he kind of has to prove himself to be wide receiver too.
26:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And if he isn't, if he's just a wide receiver through, like it's kind of replaceable.
26:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think them drafting Chris Briezel is kind of evidence of that.
26:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you saw on Twitter a couple months ago, I went through a banana ball game
26:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And Dave Canalis was there.
26:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually got to meet Dave and I got to see him.
26:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got to ask him some questions and he brought up Xavier or get on prompted.
26:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't ask him a question about Xavier or get it.
26:40
[SPEAKER_01]: He just brought him up and said,
26:43
[SPEAKER_01]: press C was wasn't it was with them that he came into training camp of minus 10 pounds and that he was you know really in shape and taking this season seriously and it seems like they really want kind of like how you were saying we're traveling while this earlier they really want to give Xavier look at every opportunity to be the player that they envision him to be when they're drafted them
27:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's good.
27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a lovable dude too.
27:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's, you know, he fits well in this market amongst this team, but he has a lot to prove.
27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: He has a very steep hill to climb.
27:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's probably pretty obvious to anyone watching, but that's actually moved inward.
27:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move to the offensive line, because I have some real concerns.
27:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Joint practices with the Texans and the Jacksonville
27:35
[SPEAKER_01]: based on everything that we heard, it did not look too good.
27:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like Bryce was constantly facing pressure.
27:44
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like there was some holes there.
27:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, you have a rookie in Monroe Freeling who, not only is he being thrust into action, but he's also out of position, he's playing a right tackle.
27:55
[SPEAKER_01]: What is your assumption of this offensive line this year?
27:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Are there going to be a better unit?
28:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Then they were last year and how much stock should Panther fans take in all of the stories that they heard of them being worked by the first team do you think of the jackwriters in the tech zones?
28:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay, the reports of getting worked by the first team jackwars might be a bit exaggerated.
28:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
28:24
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the the Jaguar's first team defense had a really good first half of that joint practice, but then Bryce John kind of like looked to teammate and said, hey man, whenever I'm under pressure, I'm just throwing you the ball.
28:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just throwing it up to you.
28:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if you're two or three defenders draped over you go up and get it and teammate did go up and get it.
28:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So they were able to find ways to move the ball against them.
28:52
[SPEAKER_02]: They showed that they could execute their shell offense, there were no communication, operational issues either on the offensive side.
29:00
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think jacks of a week is not something to be concerned about watching that Houston Texans joined practice those rough like obviously.
29:11
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a lot of sighted, obviously, Bryceon was as dejected as he would be after his rookie season after like a 22 point loss.
29:21
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, yeah, it sucks to feel like this.
29:24
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's never good.
29:26
[SPEAKER_02]: He was what's sacked like what's seven times or something like that.
29:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you.
29:31
[SPEAKER_02]: He was exact and unbelievable amount.
29:33
[SPEAKER_02]: He threw two interceptions that one of those interceptions was one where I was covering the defense.
29:39
[SPEAKER_02]: The Panthers defense that day, but I just turned out I just turned my head this way and Bryce jumped twice because he was looking for a middle screen.
29:48
[SPEAKER_02]: And it just got intercepted by the safety, and I was just like, that might be that's rookie you guys that is not a nice so he was clearly rattled and that and Texan's defense obviously is Super Bowl caliber two of the best that might be the best pass rushing in in the NFL I don't know how good Aaron Donald is going to be, but I can't really imagine.
30:11
[SPEAKER_02]: a better tandem than Deniel Hunter and Will Anderson.
30:16
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess Miles Garrett and Aaron Donald could be, but we'll see.
30:20
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, and also at the same time, like, I don't mean to just be making excuses for the franchise, but like, that was just an example of talent for talent, shell offense versus shell defense.
30:33
[SPEAKER_02]: The Texans were more talented.
30:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you could, like Dave mentioned afterward, we didn't have any sort of game plan.
30:42
[SPEAKER_02]: We intentionally, so, we didn't like utilize any shipping of the past rushers, we didn't have any like quick throws or we didn't do anything to really mitigate the blitzes that they were gonna put on or the past rushes that they were gonna put on.
30:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's not what you do, you don't want to,
31:02
[SPEAKER_02]: just completely give away all these important parts of your offense.
31:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I mean, I don't know.
31:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, I still think there's a, there's like a difference in talent and that's not good, but when we're talking about this offensive line, like,
31:19
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to find ways to keep Bryce from not getting sacked 62 times like his rookie or like that's just simply That's just simply not going to happen again and outside of that practice when Rho thrilling has had a pretty good camp so Like we're going to it's going to be I truly think it's going to be interesting
31:38
[SPEAKER_02]: what happens when Taylor Moton comes back and many of them is playing well.
31:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that was actually the other half of my question.
31:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there any inclination of when it come a corner and Taylor Moton will come back and to what extent would the Carolina Panthers look to kind of get them back into that rotation if at all?
31:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good question.
32:00
[SPEAKER_02]: No timeline updates as far as their injuries, unfortunately,
32:07
[SPEAKER_02]: it is what it is.
32:09
[SPEAKER_02]: When it comes to the Taylor Motten versus Monroe Freeling Conversation, that's interesting.
32:14
[SPEAKER_02]: If Monroe is playing well and Taylor comes back Taylor, I believe this is his final year of his contract.
32:23
[SPEAKER_02]: They are going to want to figure out if Taylor is still good and healthy to plan NFL season, so they can perhaps squeeze another year to out of his NFL career.
32:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that would be interesting.
32:37
[SPEAKER_02]: But then again, like Monroe is a rookie.
32:41
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a draft pick.
32:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't you want to continue developing him?
32:43
[SPEAKER_02]: But wait a second.
32:44
[SPEAKER_02]: You draft into your left tackle.
32:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Not your right tackle.
32:46
[SPEAKER_02]: What's going on?
32:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so that, the right side of the line will be interesting once Taylor Moton is healthy and ready to come back.
32:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a good idea of what they're going to do.
32:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I don't think this coaching staff and front office, they probably have a plan, but they are so focused on week one and the first half of season up to the body, they probably haven't contemplated that too much.
33:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the more interesting one is when Ikki Kwon who comes back, yeah, what do you do with Rashid Walker, even if Walker is having a great year, I think that they are more inclined to put in Ikki to to start Ikki immediately once he's healthy.
33:26
[SPEAKER_02]: for a variety of reasons, but among them he is literally, this is literally his the fifth year in his fifth year option.
33:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So, they need to figure out if they want to pay him really big money next year.
33:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And if they want to do that, it would be basically prudent of them to negotiate a salary before he becomes an unrestricted free agent.
33:52
[SPEAKER_02]: And I wouldn't
33:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine the Panthers would want to do that if he doesn't have playing experience in 2026.
33:59
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's I'm just I'm just connecting dots here, but I think if once it comes back, he'll he'll replace for she walk on the left side of the line.
34:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I have been pounding on the table, literally since he was drafted, that they've become a corner of some reps at guard.
34:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like his tailor made the play.
34:25
[SPEAKER_01]: One of those positions be left guard or right guard, especially knowing how many times we had a different guy on the interior last year to have them come in, whether that was kid made it or Austin Corbyn.
34:37
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've wanted to see that happen as time goes on, I don't know if it will.
34:43
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't you didn't ask David.
34:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't man do I got like maybe 15 minutes.
34:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, to to talk to them There was so much and more questions I wanted to ask too, but I also didn't want to be one of those forward fans That just couldn't take a hint.
35:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He was with his family.
35:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was really fun.
35:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually knew before almost saying they were one
35:07
[SPEAKER_01]: about his cancer removal on his nose.
35:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, he told me about that and it was like fresh off of that too.
35:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a really cool chance encounter.
35:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's incredible who you meet when you go places, especially in the Charlotte.
35:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Alex, this is my final question.
35:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
35:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm saving my best for last.
35:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
35:28
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to talk about breaks down, aren't you?
35:31
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
35:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, where are you going?
35:35
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about the hands King Kondon drum baby.
35:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
35:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, for a dude who has only played one preseason game in a Hall of Fame game, against the Cardinals third stringers, I don't know if I've ever seen a player generate as much hype.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: as hands king has and in the press conference where you asked Dave Canales about why a captain he was sort of like I'm never used to keeping three quarterbacks but then he sort of went into the reasons why they did my question to you is why do you feel that they kept hands king and I feel like the real million dollar question is
36:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there going to be some scenarios where they actually do use him this year?
36:27
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of cliche to say that tastes some hill kind of role that tastes some carved out in the world.
36:34
[SPEAKER_01]: But will they give him some snaps on gold line packages?
36:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Will they have him as a run pass threat just to keep their defenses on the toes and will he actually be suited up
36:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me change that why who do you think ultimately made the decision to keep pains came was that more Dave can now this or was that more Dan Morgan saying we don't want this talented quarterback to fall in the hands of another team So these are all great questions when it comes to the hands king that will he have a couple select plays for him Will he be active on actual game day?
37:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Cody, I saw you interact with that tweet
37:21
[SPEAKER_02]: You saw that I actually asked that question and it was a what was a long-winded question it probably took up 25 seconds to ask it and Dave just response anything's possible Coach, man, I got thanks Dave and he's kind of laughing That was funny as far as as far as why they kept him I think you're exactly on point they knew that they were going to lose him to waivers because
37:50
[SPEAKER_02]: of that one game that he had, which was not a perfect game, by the way.
37:55
[SPEAKER_02]: He did not put together a perfect game against the Arizona Cardinals.
37:58
[SPEAKER_02]: He missed a wide open Jimmy Orange Jr on the touchdown hunt right before the end of the first half.
38:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe it was written for the end of the first half.
38:06
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was just like, oh, so hangs is still this unpolished guy.
38:11
[SPEAKER_02]: But you can also tell he had this like, there was just a winner about him.
38:15
[SPEAKER_02]: He had this hat.
38:16
[SPEAKER_02]: He had this he had he had this speed to that a Bryce is remarkably fast and remarkably elusive as well.
38:24
[SPEAKER_02]: But like to to see that in a six foot three like conventional quarterback is like whoa, that's kind of wow.
38:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say when it comes to, when it comes to who made the decision, I think all of them made the decision and concert together, I don't think that Dave was like, no, we need to have one extra safety spot so we can have Isaiah Simmons on the team.
38:52
[SPEAKER_02]: versus Dan being like, no, we need to keep Haynes King.
38:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was, I think it was just a product of, hey, I mean, Haynes proved that he deserves to be here.
39:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And he worked really hard and worked him in a camp.
39:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And we can't go to this,
39:10
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't go into offensive meetings and be like training camp matters, rookie many camp matters, how you perform, how you prepare matters, and then cut a guy like Haynes.
39:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that they can do that and still have the credibility among the players.
39:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that's ultimately why they decided to do that.
39:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's ultimately why Haynes King is still on this roster.
39:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it'll be interesting to see if he gets actually activated on game days because this is an important thing to note.
39:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, just because you're on the 53 man roster doesn't mean that you are guaranteed to play on Sundays.
39:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the 53 man roster gets trimmed down to 46 players on game day active.
39:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Now he might be saying, well Alex, like there's the emergency third quarterback rule where a quarterback can be on the active roster, but not like the active that day, but he could still like play.
40:10
[SPEAKER_02]: if the two quarterbacks ahead of them get injured, and that's true.
40:14
[SPEAKER_02]: But if the two quarterbacks ahead of the Panthers get injured, Bryce Young, and Kenny Pickett, and they can't return, and you have these massive problems, and the Haines King thing is not like, in that scenario, you don't want Haines King to play.
40:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So in order for Haines King to be
40:31
[SPEAKER_02]: to to actually be active on game days and to actually make plays on Sundays.
40:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's not he not only had declared the first hurdle of making a 53 man roster, which was already a high hurdle, but he had also passed to clear the second one, which is being active on game days, be part of that 46 man team.
40:50
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you're putting hands king out there, the major taking away a special team's player, the major taking away an extra linebacker and the most violent position
41:01
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's still a lot of math to go into all this like I still think it's a pretty uphill climb for hands to have a role in the game on Sundays as much as we want to talk about Yo, it would be so cool if they had a couple wild cat packages for them like that's literally the question I tried to ask Dave like I don't feel fun.
41:21
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just don't, I just don't think that would happen.
41:24
[SPEAKER_02]: They have some short yardage options.
41:26
[SPEAKER_02]: They have Mitchell Evans who took a snap on the center and got a fourth and one time last year.
41:31
[SPEAKER_02]: The JDM will help this team immensely in the short yardage game.
41:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't think it just seems close to, seems close to, I don't wanna say inconceivable, but it's just really improbable at this moment that I think the Panthers will use Haynes King on game days.
41:51
[SPEAKER_02]: NFL roster rules.
41:53
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what makes the NFL fun.
41:54
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what makes it worth covering and stuff and it's just it's just never ending puzzle piece But there's just so many things that have to align in order brains can be part of the sauce and it's just I just don't see it happening immediately
42:08
[SPEAKER_01]: There's been a bit of a conspiracy theory going around Panthers Twitter that he was been a little more healthy than the Panthers have led on, but that they've been actively trying to shelve him as to not broadcast him to the greater NFL community out there.
42:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know to what extent that is true, but he did have a quote saying that he felt like,
42:31
[SPEAKER_01]: he could probably play against the Texans and that the Panthers decided to not play him.
42:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that also kind of added some for the world of that fire.
42:40
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw I was literally in the locker room and I was talking to, I think I was talking to David Moore and then just out of the corner my I saw Joe person getting a one on one with hands and I was just like, oh gosh, I know what exactly what he's asking him and I know exactly what he's probably going to say.
42:58
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's no football players going to like every football player is going to be like, no, I can be out there.
43:02
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I feel good.
43:04
[SPEAKER_02]: I like they're going to be positive.
43:06
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, oh gosh, here we go.
43:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's let's I can't wait for this one.
43:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Alex, no, I kind of feel bad because I didn't have a Bryson question.
43:17
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no.
43:18
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I've been talking about Bryson.
43:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been talking about Bryson all year.
43:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
43:25
[SPEAKER_02]: He is who he is.
43:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, we, the only thing that you can really say about him at this point is,
43:32
[SPEAKER_02]: the consistency needs to be better.
43:34
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just tough because he's the guy that everyone knows and he's the guy that everyone across the NFL sphere is like when you think of the Panthers, you think of Bryce Yon, which is understandable.
43:48
[SPEAKER_02]: But like...
43:50
[SPEAKER_02]: He, there isn't much to report on him.
43:54
[SPEAKER_02]: He's correct, when he will, he came into the training camp quarterback run.
43:58
[SPEAKER_02]: One, there's no issues with his health.
44:00
[SPEAKER_02]: There is no, like, he, this is his third year in the system, but every single year Dave Canalis has said that he has enhanced understanding of the system.
44:10
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no drama around Bryce.
44:14
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's nothing really new to report outside of the fact
44:19
[SPEAKER_02]: the Panthers just needed to be more consistent if they want to have their first winning season since 2017 or whatever it is.
44:27
[SPEAKER_02]: That's really all there is to say, so I'm actually kind of really good that I don't have to have thank you.
44:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Part of the reason why I didn't ask a question is because like we all already know, like 2026 is a massive year for Bryce.
44:44
[SPEAKER_01]: he has to prove that he is in the echelon of quarterback that is going to get paid maybe amongst the highest paid player ever.
44:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that seems to be the trend with quarterbacks.
44:55
[SPEAKER_01]: They bet on themselves.
44:56
[SPEAKER_01]: If they have a big year, you know, I kind of likened it to tour with tag of my lower.
45:00
[SPEAKER_01]: He was kind of middle of the pack as a quarterback.
45:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And then just fourth year under Mike Medang, it was in Miami, that offense just exploded.
45:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's certainly
45:12
[SPEAKER_01]: out of Bryce before they commit him long term with the big contract that know that was such a topic of conversation, dissolving, do you pay Bryce?
45:22
[SPEAKER_01]: How much?
45:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of heard some rumors that they floated a contract to him and he said no, I'll bet on myself.
45:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if any of that's remotely near true, but
45:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Bryce has to take another huge step forward in 2026, and I feel like if you're a die hard, Bryson fan, or a doubter, or a hater, or whatever you might be called, everyone kind of knows what time it is with the price.
45:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's exactly right.
45:52
[SPEAKER_02]: You put it the perfect way possible.
45:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he going to be, is he a 200 million dollar quarterback?
45:56
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
45:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he a 250 million dollar quarterback?
46:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, like the Panthers need to figure that out and I understand the fan base being like, I don't care how great he is in 2026 just find a way to extend him because he's good enough.
46:14
[SPEAKER_02]: He gives my teams competitive and he is.
46:19
[SPEAKER_02]: someone I know and have grown to know and have grown to really like or grown to love.
46:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the Panthers don't want to be in quarterback purgatory again.
46:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I totally understand that if that I'm totally empathetic to that.
46:31
[SPEAKER_02]: If that's where y'all are at.
46:33
[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, like he has a lot of places where he needs to prove himself.
46:39
[SPEAKER_02]: He just simply does.
46:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And you got to start with consistency.
46:44
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to start with not turning the ball over.
46:47
[SPEAKER_02]: you got to start with getting back to being Bama Bryce and being creative and provisational, all the things.
46:56
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a wait and see moment, man.
46:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just wait and see.
47:01
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, let's see if you can prove himself to be like Falcons Bryce.
47:08
[SPEAKER_02]: If you could just find a way to put together like,
47:12
[SPEAKER_02]: four or five, just like absolutely stunning performances here.
47:18
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that he's going to be, I think that he is going to be extended.
47:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually, it is in the front office as best interest for him to be extended just for a variety of reasons.
47:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
47:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
47:33
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a massive year for him, but also at the same time, like his front office is
47:41
[SPEAKER_02]: clearly and obviously and devoutly rooting for you.
47:49
[SPEAKER_02]: There really isn't a way in which he doesn't perform well and doesn't get paid.
47:57
[SPEAKER_02]: It just doesn't exist.
47:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at those, Alex, we still found a way to have a discussion about Bryce now.
48:04
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything profound in the last five minutes, but it is what it is.
48:08
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and I knew that we wouldn't do like that's why I didn't have a question about it.
48:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone knows what time it is with Bryce.
48:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot's on the line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a lot of people who, as you said, want to extend him and some, some who don't, you know, so we will see, man, it's a, it's a, it's a big here, um, Alex, you're the man, dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also dude, you know, uh, I'm in the gosh, but,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm proud of you brother, I've seen your work grow from the time, you know, when you did that piece on me a couple of years ago and just hearing the questions that you ask and, you know, reading your pieces for the child's observer, you're doing an incredible job brother.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that you're deserve to be committed to, you know, I love talking ball with you man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is always fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Cody, thanks so much, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That means a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, literally that like writing about you is one of the first
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[SPEAKER_02]: Panthers related things I did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're part of my origin story dog.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're on the up and up you and I. Yeah, I guess so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm definitely going to invite you back before season then pick your brand again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I love doing this way to check out Alex's site low.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But where can you find your Alex?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Put out promote your content.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Charlotte's observer, Twitter, whatever they can find.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, if you're in the Charlotte area or just or even a North Carolina, please subscribe to your local newspaper, it is not only is your home for Hornets news, Panthers news, high school sports news, a variety of other sports things, it's also just like good for your local community to support a newspaper like the Charlotte observer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So please do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can find me on Twitter at Alex Zetlow 05 and you can also hear me on my own podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can hear my own ramblings and just just whatever the heck I just did for the past hour at processing blue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can find the podcast is called processing blue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can find us on Spotify, apple podcasts wherever you get your podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We also post all of our episodes to the struggles over YouTube channel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So check that out, but but yeah, I post all this stuff on my Twitter feed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you check that out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: everything will be taken care of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I really appreciate Cody and the C3 Panthers podcast for having me on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The fandom is the lifeblood of this team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as I learned three years ago, Cody's one of the one of the best fans out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate that man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Appreciate you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: of course we'll do it again as the season uh it goes a little older and uh Alex it's always a pleasure to talk to you ladies and gentlemen see three legions this has been another edition of the C3 beat check my name it's Cody last year we will be back for another edition of the C3 Panthers podcast Tuesday night at nine p.m. until next time see three legions