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'HOT' KILLER-NANNY POSTS SEXY BATHTUB SELFIES WITH MARRIED IRS AGENT BANFIELD BEFORE WIFE MURDERED: Verdict In · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the so called hot killer nanny,
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  Speaker 1: posting sexy bathtub selfies with her married IRS agent boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: Vanfield before his wife is murdered in a bizarre fetish
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  Speaker 1: b DSN that's bondage and sato masochism plot.
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  Speaker 2: That's right out of a Hollywood movie.
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  Speaker 1: But sadly Christine is dead and her little girl says
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  Speaker 1: to the killer nanny, cannot call you mommy.
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  Speaker 2: Makes my skin crawl.
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  Speaker 1: And you know Christine up in heaven is flipping backflips.
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  Speaker 1: Wait till I'll show you the bodycam video of the
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  Speaker 1: killer nanny hugging all over the baby.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: I want to say thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I need help my friends in the night
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  Speaker 3: now been putting a lot.
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  Speaker 4: And then I asked him, we're going to force her?
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  Speaker 4: He said, that's not what I'm thinking about. Then that's uh.
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  Speaker 4: He explained that he was thinking about finding a way
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  Speaker 4: to just give rid of her for out of the
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  Speaker 4: big ship.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about a serious makeover. Let's just see. Don't need
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  Speaker 2: to hear it yet.
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  Speaker 1: See the bodycam video of the nanny hyperventilating pretend hyperventilating
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  Speaker 1: out in the front yard. Christine has about a three
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  Speaker 1: inch stabling to her neck upstairs. Okay, there she is
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  Speaker 1: doing deep breathing exercises at the behest of the police
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  Speaker 1: while Christine the mommy is upstairs with about a three
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  Speaker 1: inch knife wound two her neck. Let me see that
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  Speaker 1: sound one more time. Then I asked him will you
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  Speaker 1: divorce her? And he said, that's not what I'm thinking about.
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  Speaker 4: Then I asked him, we're going to di force her.
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  Speaker 4: He said, that's not what I'm thinking about. Then that's
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  Speaker 4: he explained that he was saying about finding a way
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  Speaker 4: to just get rid of her for out of the picture.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you know, let me understand something, doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 1: I need to speak to a shrink before I even
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  Speaker 1: go to our investigative reporters.
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  Speaker 2: This is the.
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  Speaker 1: Mother that has worked a job supporting him, the irs agent,
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  Speaker 1: has given birth, gets one day to sleep in and
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  Speaker 1: she gets murdered. And okay, the husband is saying he's
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  Speaker 1: the adult in this situation that he's not thinking of
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  Speaker 1: a divorce. He's thinking of another quote way to get
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  Speaker 1: rid of her so he can bed the hot nanny.
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  Speaker 2: Their words not mine. I don't think she's hot.
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  Speaker 1: I think she looks like, please don't show me the
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  Speaker 1: clavy shot anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I'm tired of seeing her breast.
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  Speaker 1: She looks like the devil to me getting rid of
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  Speaker 1: her after she has gone through childbirth really badly.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the nanny is not hot. Killer nanny wants
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  Speaker 5: to appropriate another woman's life. She wants install life without
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  Speaker 5: doing all the work to get one, just like women
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  Speaker 5: who slash other women's tummies open to get a fetus.
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  Speaker 5: They want the life, but they don't want to do
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  Speaker 5: the work to get it. And if kill her dad
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  Speaker 5: thinks somebody who wants to murder his wife along with
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  Speaker 5: him is hot, then they are just doing the dance
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  Speaker 5: of the devil together. Nancy wife did everything for this family.
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  Speaker 5: She was an er nurse, she worked, she brought up
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  Speaker 5: home the bacon and cooked it up in a pan,
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  Speaker 5: and she had no appreciation from her husband. This is
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  Speaker 5: obviously an emotionally abusive relationship.
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  Speaker 1: You know. To Mark Tate, veteran trial lawyer joining us.
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  Speaker 1: He is the founder of the Tate Law Group, and
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  Speaker 1: he shot to the forefront of the nation's consciousness during
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  Speaker 1: the Alexan murdog double murder trial, where he repeatedly took
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  Speaker 1: to the airways saying Murdog didn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well he did do it.
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  Speaker 1: And now we have another guy willing to just discard
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  Speaker 1: his wife. And he, I mean really, he brings in
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  Speaker 1: the Brazilian a pair like she can be trusted about
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  Speaker 1: as far as you can throw her, of course.
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  Speaker 2: And if you don't show me, Cleavis, you got to
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  Speaker 2: show me.
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  Speaker 1: That mouthful of red lipstick. It just never ends. So
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  Speaker 1: Mark Tate, what was he thinking? He's the adult in
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  Speaker 1: this scenario, and he doesn't think the nanny is gonna
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  Speaker 1: crack when they go, Oh yeah, girl, you going down
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  Speaker 1: under the jail or you can go home to Brazil
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  Speaker 1: and stay in prison there you can pick.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't think she used no honor.
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  Speaker 6: Among criminals and apparently no honor among murderers, right, So
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  Speaker 6: why he why anybody would trust a stranger like that
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  Speaker 6: to keep such a dark secret.
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  Speaker 2: They were exactly stranger's tape.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, the nanny's anal floss hanging in the ir S
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  Speaker 1: Agent Hubbies master bedroom.
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  Speaker 2: When I say.
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  Speaker 1: They go up your rear end, she moved her launarade
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  Speaker 1: there like pieces of thread into his bedroom.
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  Speaker 7: Immediately there you go.
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  Speaker 6: An anal balls. I don't know what you exactly a flash? Okay,
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  Speaker 6: that's you. I had not not being someone who frequents
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  Speaker 6: the fetish sites, I wasn't quite familiar with anal flaws.
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  Speaker 6: But thank you Nancy for.
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  Speaker 2: I think I made it up, but probably not. You're
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  Speaker 2: familiar with dental flaws right right here. This is once
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  Speaker 2: a year. I need to explain it further.
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  Speaker 1: So no, twenty four hours and this thing moves in
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  Speaker 1: her anal flass into the mom's closet and he's okay.
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  Speaker 8: With that, all right?
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  Speaker 6: So right, it's a terrible story. The circumstantial evidence about
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  Speaker 6: this guy and the accusation against him, it's terrible. And
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  Speaker 6: I'm not really sure what effect, you know, being an
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  Speaker 6: ir S agent's going to have on the jury. I
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  Speaker 6: don't think it's going to elevate their opinion of him anything.
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  Speaker 2: That's not what I.
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  Speaker 6: What do you want to ask me about? I'm sorry
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  Speaker 6: I missed the question because I.
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  Speaker 1: Did not ask you about him being with the I
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  Speaker 1: r S put up, Well, you hate if you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to goad me into and the IRS.
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  Speaker 2: That's not happening.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, just what I'm saying, is he thought
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  Speaker 1: she would go along with this murderous plot she after
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  Speaker 1: she wrote effusive letters from the jail.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, we read those offering to take the fall. You
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  Speaker 2: know what? Hold on listen to this.
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  Speaker 9: Banfield in love with Brazilian au pair Juliana Magalias masterminds
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  Speaker 9: a plan to kill his wife so intricate it sounds
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  Speaker 9: like the plot of a movie. Mcgaulias in Bamfield create
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  Speaker 9: a fake profile using Christine's name on fetish website fetlife
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  Speaker 9: dot com, posing as Christine Banfield communicating with Joseph Ryan
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  Speaker 9: discussing an encounter involving restraints used on her, her clothing
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  Speaker 9: cut off with a knife brought by Ryan, and another
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  Speaker 9: violent role play somebody.
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  Speaker 4: This sounded like violent and was kind of plain the
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  Speaker 4: way he wanted the person to play. So then that's
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  Speaker 4: the when he started talking to Joe. We told you
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  Speaker 4: before that it was kind of part of the game
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  Speaker 4: where the person gets in them in the bedroom and
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  Speaker 4: then I react like scared, like try to run or
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  Speaker 4: try to scream, but like so the and or if
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  Speaker 4: the person starts doing something, she would just get kind
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  Speaker 4: of freaked out and try to resist. But it was
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  Speaker 4: like part of the game. And then that's when Brenda
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  Speaker 4: had instructed me before as soon as A see Jeel's
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  Speaker 4: car for me to call him like right away, and
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  Speaker 4: then that's what I did.
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  Speaker 2: See.
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  Speaker 1: It's so easy to, I don't know, make fun of
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  Speaker 1: this bizarre plot, but remember the mother of the little
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  Speaker 1: girl I sleep in bed finally gets some morning to
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  Speaker 1: sleep in they so called there she is hot. Nanny
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  Speaker 1: is supposed to take the baby to the zoo. Mommy
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  Speaker 1: bought the tickets. She thinks, Oh, thank goodness, Baby Valerie
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  Speaker 1: is going to have a fun day at the zoo
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  Speaker 1: and I get to sleep for an hour.
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  Speaker 2: This is so great.
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  Speaker 1: The next thing she knows, some dude off a bondage
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  Speaker 1: website comes in with a knife.
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  Speaker 2: You know what.
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  Speaker 1: Let me go straight out to gg McKelvey joining US
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter, star of Pretty Lies and Elbis podcast. Gg All,
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  Speaker 1: it is laughable, this plot where the husband, the irs
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  Speaker 1: agent and the nanny plan to just you know what,
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  Speaker 1: You tell the plot because it's almost laughable if I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have to remember Christine bleeding out in the floor
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  Speaker 1: with a three inch knife.
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  Speaker 2: Stab to her neck by her own husband. Tell me
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  Speaker 2: what happened. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: The plot was to essentially catfish Joe Ryan on the
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  Speaker 7: fet life website where people go to find willing partners,
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  Speaker 7: consensual partners to act out these fantasies. And they used
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  Speaker 7: Christine's laptop to communicate with him at times when she
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  Speaker 7: was home. So later on when there was an investigation,
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  Speaker 7: and Brendan, being an IRS agent a federal agent, knew
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  Speaker 7: there would be one, it would show her at home
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  Speaker 7: when these communications took place, and it did work with
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  Speaker 7: some detectives who thought it was Christine communicating, but they
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  Speaker 7: positioned themselves in certain spots. The O pair was in
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  Speaker 7: the cul Des act with the child waiting on Joe
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  Speaker 7: Ryan to come in the house, and he was told
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  Speaker 7: to bring specific things like a knife. If I resist,
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  Speaker 7: you keep going. It's part of the act. When he
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  Speaker 7: walks in the house, Juliana calls Brendan, who's waiting at
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  Speaker 7: a nearby McDonald's, and he goes home, goes upstairs, sees
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  Speaker 7: Joe Ryan on top of his wife. This is exact
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  Speaker 7: exactly what Brendan and the O pair told him. She wanted,
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  Speaker 7: you know, lying, but the wife looks at her husband
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  Speaker 7: thinking I've been saved. And she says Brendan, he has
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  Speaker 7: a knife. He turns around and shoots Joe Ryan in
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  Speaker 7: the head, doesn't kill him, and proceeds to stab his
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  Speaker 7: wife in the next seven times with one superficial wound.
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  Speaker 7: Now she also before she got stabbed, she told the
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  Speaker 7: O pair to call nine one one.
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  Speaker 2: The plan was to call much later.
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  Speaker 7: Juliana, not thinking in the moment, calls nine one one,
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  Speaker 7: where you can allegedly hear Joe Ryan moaning in the background.
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  Speaker 7: Brendan gives her a hand signal to hang up. She
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  Speaker 7: shoots Joe Ryan in the chest, killing him, and then
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  Speaker 7: they make the nine one one call that they meant to.
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  Speaker 7: But here's the thing. When nine one one told them
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  Speaker 7: to check to see if Christine was still breathing, she was,
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  Speaker 7: and their voice is Nancy. When they tell each other,
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  Speaker 7: not the nomenal she's still breathing. It was not a oh,
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  Speaker 7: there's hope, she's still breathing. It was a oh, my gosh,
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  Speaker 7: she's still breathing. Ultimately, Joe Ryan pronounced dead on seeing
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  Speaker 7: Christine died at the hospital just a little bit later.
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  Speaker 1: Dave mac joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter, where was
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  Speaker 1: baby Valerie during.
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  Speaker 10: All this, she actually was in the basement when Brendan
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  Speaker 10: Banfield and Juliana Moggle Ads when they came together at
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  Speaker 10: the house. Before Banfield goes upstairs, they enter into the
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  Speaker 10: basement and they tell the little girl stay right here,
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  Speaker 10: do not come out.
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  Speaker 11: So she was in the basement, so she can you
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  Speaker 11: check him out?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I got, I got more units he let's.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Matt What is the I R. S. H and
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  Speaker 1: husband Banfield doing in the floor?
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  Speaker 10: You know, Nancy, he's carrying on a good bit uh
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  Speaker 10: in shock. Maybe I'm not exactly sure what he was
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  Speaker 10: trying to pull off, but you know this is he's
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  Speaker 10: still in the bedroom where everything has taken place, and
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  Speaker 10: the officers of paramedics they're all trying to get him out,
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  Speaker 10: and that's when you know he was standing up just fine.
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  Speaker 10: And then as they get ready to take him out,
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  Speaker 10: that's when he hits all fours and you know, acts
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  Speaker 10: like he can't really do anything. But then he was
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  Speaker 10: able to get back up and walk out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, he's in so much grief. Uh let's
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  Speaker 1: say that one more time please, So she kind of go, can.
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  Speaker 12: You check him? Yeah, I got, I got more units,
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  Speaker 12: go check in, start off for good.
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  Speaker 2: Meryl Streep.
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  Speaker 1: He ain't okay, Mark Tate, I guess you do tell
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  Speaker 1: all your criminal clients be a good actor, or don't
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  Speaker 1: even try.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see that?
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  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, oh, I'm dizzy. What everything's going dark?
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  Speaker 1: Let me lead down on all fours. He didn't fall
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  Speaker 1: over like when you find you just fall over, you
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  Speaker 1: might hit your head. He's like first hand, second hand,
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  Speaker 1: back leg, other back leg.
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  Speaker 2: I'm dizzy.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it was an acted.
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  Speaker 2: It was all of course I saw it.
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  Speaker 6: You just showed it to me. It's crazy looking, it
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  Speaker 6: was made up looking. It's historyonic. It doesn't fit. But
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  Speaker 6: you know, I do remember and you probably do as
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  Speaker 6: well when Fred Tookar's Peyton had his wife Sarah murdered
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  Speaker 6: in Atlanta, and I will never forget that photograph of
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  Speaker 6: him at the funeral where he was clearly in a
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  Speaker 6: great deal of you know, emotional pain. And so no
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  Speaker 6: matter what this guy acts like, you know, the jury
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  Speaker 6: has the case now, and I believe prosecution.
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  Speaker 2: An emotional paint. Put up tap, no, he's not here.
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  Speaker 2: Fred toe Cars was not an emotional pain.
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  Speaker 1: He hit on me in my very first playing arrayment
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  Speaker 1: calendar as a Fulton assistant district to turn it on,
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  Speaker 1: like who is that? And then when that's in Atlanta
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  Speaker 1: Municipal Court judge, I'm like, well, he just hit on me.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't he married? Isn't that a wedding man? I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to hear about fred toe cars may he rotten? Hell,
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  Speaker 1: he's dead.
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  Speaker 6: I think he's dead.
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  Speaker 2: Emotional pain.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he crying because they were all and he knew it.
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  Speaker 6: It's but this guy's display was I don't think real.
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  Speaker 6: It didn't have any credibility. The way he kind of fell.
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  Speaker 6: It just looked like a history onic display. I don't
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  Speaker 6: think that he's a very good criminal, and I think
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  Speaker 6: that his plan here didn't work out well and it.
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  Speaker 1: Was too intricate. It was too intricate. Let's go back
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  Speaker 1: to the scene. I remember, guys, what you're saying. Right
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  Speaker 1: here is.
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  Speaker 2: Body cam at the scene.
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  Speaker 1: His wife is dead in the other room, and according
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  Speaker 1: to the nanny and the forensic evidence, he just stabbed her.
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  Speaker 2: It's about two and a half to three inches deep
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  Speaker 2: wound in the neck.
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  Speaker 1: The woman he married, the woman that gave birth to
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  Speaker 1: his child, the woman that takes care of that beautiful
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  Speaker 1: home who worked to support him.
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  Speaker 2: The whole shebang.
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  Speaker 13: Oh no, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't want that. I want the Brazilian up here. Let's
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  Speaker 2: kill Christine. Let's go back to the scene.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, we're gonna have to get him.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, you give me a sevench talk puts anything else.
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  Speaker 14: I'm I'm gonna change my blow, vote and you can
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  Speaker 14: get him out of here.
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  Speaker 8: A knife's there? Guns around the bed?
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  Speaker 1: Oh my stars, is he's still on all fours on
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  Speaker 1: the floor.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he is.
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  Speaker 1: And I think I noticed he picked a spot of
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  Speaker 1: floor that was carpeted, just in case he accidentally fell. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all I can say to doctor Bethany Marshall is PT.
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  Speaker 1: I'll praise the Lord for body cam, Bethany. Let's watch
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  Speaker 1: some more. Yank, I got you.
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  Speaker 12: We're going to take care and stick a minute.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I gotta hope hibout having a breakdown. Can you
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  Speaker 8: help him?
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  Speaker 12: Whenever they called us, whenever Fred.
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  Speaker 14: Said, Vienna's easy again, My office is in the end
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  Speaker 14: the present.
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  Speaker 12: Did you did you call my office?
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  Speaker 2: How call at some point.
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  Speaker 1: So the least of our worries right now, I need
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  Speaker 1: to call my manager. He's talking about calling his manager
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  Speaker 1: at the IRIS when his wife has just been stabbed.
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  Speaker 1: And you know the part I love the most about that,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. Marshall as, at the beginning, do you
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  Speaker 1: see the officer going indicating Banfield does.
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  Speaker 2: Not know his wife is dead? Oh, yes he does,
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  Speaker 2: and Manfield still the goal fours.
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  Speaker 5: But you don't, Nancy, also the guy that's sort of
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  Speaker 5: going like this. These sound very nonchalant, these first responders,
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  Speaker 5: and it tells me that although they're going through the
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  Speaker 5: motions of doing the right thing, they kind of know
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  Speaker 5: that he's being a drama queen, Nancy. You know, there's
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  Speaker 5: a word for what Brendan is doing is called malingering.
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  Speaker 5: Malingering is when you make up a fictitious or fake
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  Speaker 5: illness to get out of some consequence, like pretending you
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  Speaker 5: have brain cancer so you don't have to go to jail,
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  Speaker 5: or you had amasis you don't remember shooting your wife.
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  Speaker 5: In this case, that he is fainting, and that he's
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  Speaker 5: so distraught and therefore not responsible for any of his
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  Speaker 5: actions in the moment.
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  Speaker 9: Bamfield and au pair mcgaias carry on an affair four months,
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  Speaker 9: creating the murder plan. After telling mcgui as he wants
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  Speaker 9: to get rid of his wife, and divorce is not
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  Speaker 9: an option because it costs too much money and he
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  Speaker 9: doesn't want to share custody of their four year old daughter.
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  Speaker 9: Banfield comes up with a home invasion, giving mcgalia as
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  Speaker 9: a gun and instructing her to call Christine's phone when
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  Speaker 9: Ryan enters the home, then call Banfield at a McDonald's
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  Speaker 9: near the home. Banfield changes his routine leading up to
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  Speaker 9: the murders so it would not seem out of routine
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  Speaker 9: for him to be at the McDonald's that morning, Crime
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  Speaker 9: Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: And what's your name and what's going on?
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  Speaker 14: And Buddy Danfield come, feder lady took my house here,
• 20:02
  Speaker 14: somebody here.
• 20:03
  Speaker 12: I shot him, but.
• 20:09
  Speaker 15: I mean they over enormous Lewis and he just like
• 20:13
  Speaker 15: this to me, wait and then I stopped. And then
• 20:17
  Speaker 15: we were both just listening to that sound that that
• 20:21
  Speaker 15: was the real sound that we were listening to.
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: What did it sound like for meming?
• 20:27
  Speaker 12: Slapping?
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: So, after this elaborate plot where the nanny and the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: husband secretly signed the wife up on a fetish website,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: lure a guy there, tell him to attack her, the
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: two of them nanny and husband walk in to the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: sound of slapping. Dave Matt what was the slapping that
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: she describes that.
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: Was what was taking place upstairs? Nancy? And all I
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: can think of is you got to remember that Joe
• 21:02
  Speaker 10: Ryan is there on what he believes is consensual Christine
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: Panfield is shaking out of bed, and I'm guessing it's
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: pretty rough up there right about now, with her fighting
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: for her life and Ryan thinking it's all part of
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: the game, the smacking a knight.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Or is it him slapping her? The nanny makes it
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: very clear, she said it several times. I just played
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: you one time that she says she hears slapping, So
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: is this part of the sex play? Beating her, slapping
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: her into submission? Can you imagine Doctor Bethany her Christine
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: waking up and some strange guys in her room with
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: a knife and a rope and a chain and starts
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: slapping you in the face.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: I can't imagine how terrifying that and all the ensuing events,
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: her own husband climbing on top of you and putting
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: stab plunging a knife into your neck. It sounds to
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: me like Brendan and killer Nanny set up this sort
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: of rape play, rape scene so carefully and so meticulously
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: that they told the guy they told Joe slap you know,
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: I want to be slapped a lot, so that by
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: the time the prosecutor questions killer nanny, she goes, oh,
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: I heard a lot of slapping. I mean, that's how
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: well thought out this devious plan was to.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: JJ McKelvey pretty lies and alibi is GG do I
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: understand this correctly? That Ryan comes in lured there for
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: what he thinks is a consensual.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: BBSM act.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Christine, she says, her husband come to the door and
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: thinks he's saving her, and instead he shoots Ryan and
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: then he stabs her.
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what happened. Christine told him Brendan he has
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: a knife, and then she tells Juliana to call nine
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: one one. At that point, Joe Ryan is shot in
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: the head, doesn't die yet, and then he gets on
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: top of Christine and starts stabbing her. She had a
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: total of six penetrating stab wounds and one superficial, but
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: the deepest being two and a half inches. So, yeah,
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: that's exactly what happened, you know. Can you imagine what
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: she thought, thinking, Oh my gosh, I am saved, only
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: to see your husband on top of you, probably seconds later,
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: stabbing you in the neck.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's is joining us now. Dr Crowns, thank
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: you for being with us. Crowns is chief medical Examiner
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Terren County. That's Fort Worth, never a lack of business there.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: He is a star of hit podcast, Mayhem and the Morgue.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Medicine at TCU and has handled literally thousands, thousands of
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: autopsies all sorts, accident, suicide, natural causes, unexplos and of
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: course homicide. Doctor Crowns, could you explain those gruesome injuries
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: to this young mom's throat?
• 24:12
  Speaker 16: Certainly so she was stabbed in the neck with a
• 24:15
  Speaker 16: knife and they're saying it's going in about three two
• 24:19
  Speaker 16: to three inches, And what it is is in your neck,
• 24:23
  Speaker 16: the crotted and jugular vein sit probably about a quarter
• 24:27
  Speaker 16: inch a few millimeters underneath your skin, and a muscle
• 24:31
  Speaker 16: on this side of your neck called the sternoclidial mastoid.
• 24:35
  Speaker 16: These two vessels, the internal jugular the crotted artery, are
• 24:39
  Speaker 16: major blood vessels taking blood to your brain. And if
• 24:42
  Speaker 16: they get hit by a knife. They'll just start bleeding
• 24:45
  Speaker 16: and you can lead out within minutes of being hit
• 24:48
  Speaker 16: in the neck from a stab wound, hitting these two vessels,
• 24:52
  Speaker 16: and then you only have about a few minutes to
• 24:55
  Speaker 16: survive after that unless someone puts pressure on it. If
• 24:58
  Speaker 16: you go a little more to the center, hit the trachia,
• 25:01
  Speaker 16: which is the windpipe that takes air from your mouth
• 25:03
  Speaker 16: to your lungs, and it is also where the vocal
• 25:05
  Speaker 16: cords sit. So if the trachia gets hit, you can
• 25:09
  Speaker 16: have the vocal cords damage and you won't be able
• 25:12
  Speaker 16: to speak.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Let me understand something, doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: If the stab wounds and there were multiple stab wounds,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: one being two and a half inches deep, how could
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: she continue to talk?
• 25:27
  Speaker 16: She was dying, So I question that she's being able
• 25:31
  Speaker 16: to talk. I mean that is a statement made by him.
• 25:35
  Speaker 16: I personally feel like she's probably had her trachea laryngeal
• 25:39
  Speaker 16: region hit, getting these vocal cords hit, and she's probably
• 25:43
  Speaker 16: sitting there bleeding out and gagging on her own blood.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: You know, doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Isn't it true that medical examiners like yourself take into
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: account not only what the body of the victim tells them,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: but the surrounding circumstances. For instance, I prosecuted a guy
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: millionaire for the murder of his wife.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: The house burned.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Down with her in it, and he miraculously escaped. Her
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: body showed a blow to the head and other bruises
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: across her body. She did not die, but just because
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: of the fire. The medical examiner took into account that
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: all of the husband's family photos of his family, not hers,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and all of his suits and all of his shoes
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: had been taken two or three days before and put
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: in a warehouse, so they were all saved.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I found the suits at the dry cleaner by the way.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I went to eight dry cleaners before I found them,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: but I found them.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: And also he called the weather station weather channel to
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: check a wooded rain the day that, coincidentally the fire
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: broke out. The medical examiner took in extrinsic evidence into
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: account before determined it was a homicide.
• 27:02
  Speaker 16: Do you do that, yes, so you can't. We always
• 27:07
  Speaker 16: say you can't autopsy in a vacuum, which means you
• 27:10
  Speaker 16: can't just look at the body and make a determination
• 27:13
  Speaker 16: a cause and manner of death. You have to take
• 27:15
  Speaker 16: into account, medical records, paramedic reports, death investigators reports, police reports.
• 27:21
  Speaker 16: All this information combined is how you make the final
• 27:24
  Speaker 16: decision for cause and manner of death. And the problem
• 27:27
  Speaker 16: is is when you get a witness statement like your
• 27:30
  Speaker 16: case with the fire that doesn't make sense with the
• 27:33
  Speaker 16: autopsy findings, then you have to tell the investigators and
• 27:36
  Speaker 16: the police you know things aren't adding up. I need
• 27:39
  Speaker 16: more information. And then more investigation is done and you'll
• 27:42
  Speaker 16: get more information showing that this individual may have been
• 27:46
  Speaker 16: murdered or or a homicide. And the thing is is
• 27:50
  Speaker 16: you'll get range of fire issues with gunshot wounds where
• 27:54
  Speaker 16: they're saying it's contact and it's obviously farther away. And
• 27:58
  Speaker 16: if you can't get a in this statement that makes sense,
• 28:01
  Speaker 16: you just have to go with the information you have
• 28:04
  Speaker 16: and make a opinion and make a judgment call on
• 28:07
  Speaker 16: manner of death.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: So, doctor Kendall Crowns, you stated that based on Christine's
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: body alone, you find it very very difficult to believe,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: as do I. As she's literally choking on her own
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: blood and bleeding out, you find it very hard to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: believe that she could speak. Now, when I put a
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: witness on the stand, or I argue something to the jury.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I try to determine the veracity of that statement, like
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: can it be believed?
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: What's my source? Are there witnesses to it?
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: So number one, forensically, I don't think that she could speak,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: but I want.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: You to consider the source as you did.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: This is coming from the husband, and he says doctor
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns, you may need to.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Buckle your seatbel so you don't just fall over and
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: hit your head. That as she was dying, she was able.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: To speak, and that she apologized for all of her
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: cheating and houring around town.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: That's what he says. Listen.
• 29:09
  Speaker 17: Banfield claims his dying wife stabbed in the next seven
• 29:12
  Speaker 17: times as deep as two and a half inches, was
• 29:15
  Speaker 17: able to speak a lot before emergency responders arrive. Banfield
• 29:19
  Speaker 17: claims Christine apologized to him and that she loved him.
• 29:22
  Speaker 17: Holding his hand on her neck wound. She says, she
• 29:24
  Speaker 17: is bleeding out and she was sorry.
• 29:27
  Speaker 15: You were there, and I found that there was a
• 29:28
  Speaker 15: lot of blood loss, So I think that she died
• 29:32
  Speaker 15: of blood.
• 29:33
  Speaker 13: Loss her air though it was actually okay.
• 29:36
  Speaker 15: I'll call him at her course and we'll we'll do
• 29:40
  Speaker 15: an autopsy.
• 29:41
  Speaker 12: And make sure we know he's certain.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I.
• 29:47
  Speaker 13: Mean that those were enormous wounds, and you know it's not.
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: You did everything that was possible.
• 29:54
  Speaker 13: It's not a survivable and juris, did you see that?
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: At the end?
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Tate again, I know you've got a new courtroom set
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: up in your office and you have all of these
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: experts counseling your clients, but really you need to tell
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: them if they can't be effective criers on the spot,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: just don't do it at all.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Do you hear that?
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: It sounds like a little yap dog like maybe it's
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: chiualhweah barking in the car next to you at the
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: red light.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Did you hear that?
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: I heard. It's always a terrible actor in the case
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: against are awful. I guess John Carroll, the defense lawyer.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: I think someone suggested that he's going to be dealt
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: with subsequent to any conviction with an ineffective assistance of
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: counsel claim by Banfield. You know, these little things that
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: we're seeing certainly belie his sincerity, and these types of
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: things are exactly the hooks that a jury does look
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: for to make them not like a person. And so
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: even though you perfected the bar at Nancy, which I
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: think is fabulous and probably could be effective for you
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: in some closing argument. I think that here, just playing
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: that tape is going to make a jury think this
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: guy is not good and that he is a faker.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Just imagine this, Your last image before you die with
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: your daughter downstairs, is your husband on top of you,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: stabbing you in the neck. Now, you heard the physician
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: at the er telling the husband.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Banfield that it was there was no coming back, and
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: he started that crying.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: But yet he says that with multiple stab ons to
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the neck as deep as nearly three inches, she apologized
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: for basically being a big hoe.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: I was like, oh, like, what did you do this?
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: And they said, Julian specifically, you learn to callan.
• 32:06
  Speaker 12: Well.
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: Did you hear her saying to Brendan as he was
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: stabbing her, she was.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Just telling him let me go, I'm gonna die. Anyways,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: I'm going to plead to that. She was just lend
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: me here, let me die, and then he will tell
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: her I can't. I don't know why he said I can't.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: How did Christine Banfield's blood come to beyond Joe Ryan's
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: arms and hands? Do I have this correct?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: To Dave Matt Crime Story's investigative reporter, that Ryan goes
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: on to state that she apologized for all of her
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: cheating and said she loved him.
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: She didn't cheat, he cheated exactly and Nancy. Yet again,
• 32:49
  Speaker 10: he's claiming that she apologizes and says, I love you.
• 32:54
  Speaker 10: But we can't figure out how that's even possible with
• 32:58
  Speaker 10: the injuries she had bring Nancy yet and nobody else
• 33:02
  Speaker 10: could hear it? Just this is Banfield's own testimony that
• 33:07
  Speaker 10: she said, I'm sorry.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, Doctor Bethany Marshall. Why is it when one spouse
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: is cheating, and not just cheating, cheating with the au
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: pair that's been invited to live in the home right
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: under the wife's nose, they blame the other spouse with cheating.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Christine was not cheating. She was trying to take care
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: of the baby, take care of the house, take care
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: of it all, super mom.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: She didn't even have time to sleep, much less sleep.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Why does the cheating spouse accuse the innocent spouse of cheating?
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: You know, not only is it.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: The psychle of abuse, Nancy, but it's a simple projection
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: he's projecting into her. What he's doing, which is he
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: is cheating Nancy. There's no way to know this, but
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: sit with us for a second. I would imagine that
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Brendan and the nanny had erotic fantasies about Christine. I
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: think this murder plot was something that was incorporated into
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: their sex lives, talked about. They had, I think a
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: very imaginative sexual aspect to this, where maybe they even
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: fantasized about him stabbing her in the throat, or that
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: she was a cheater, or that she was having sex
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: with other guys, and that the pado coming to her.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: And then they're going to move into the master bedroom.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: She's going to bring her anal floss with her, and
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: that the baby's going to love the nanny and you,
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: when you think of sociopathy, Nancy, you know, it's a
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: disorder of detachment. That they're not attached to Christina.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: They are not.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: Attached to the baby. They have no idea that the
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: baby's not going to bond with nanny. What they are
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: attached to is their sick, erotic sexual fantasies, their sexual
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: excitement with each other, and incorporating Christine and this poor
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: Joe guy that was set up into this like makeup
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: grisly fantasy.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: World crime stories with Nancy Grace apparently the nanny. Not
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: only he was played guilty for it with a cheap deal.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Now Banfield is facing a jury.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Not only did she.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Completely snow Christine, so Christine had no idea what was
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: going on, the cops fell for it. Wait till you
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: see the way they pampered the killer nanny. While Christine
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: is laying in her own blood inside, and she's got
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: the baby calling her the nanny mommy.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, watch this.
• 35:46
  Speaker 14: I'm sorry, what's going on this morning? So many take
• 35:54
  Speaker 14: her breakfasts? Okay, take them inte, Okay, you're fine, Okay,
• 36:10
  Speaker 14: gets you sitting in there.
• 36:13
  Speaker 13: And then I.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Proviought our lunch to bring and I will tell you
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: up to the house and.
• 36:19
  Speaker 16: Go to lunch.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Tate, really, did you see the trembling of the hands.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: She's like, okay, what was I supposed to say next?
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I went and I forgot the lunch.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Oh there she is hyperventilating, fake hyperventilating, and the cops
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: are like all over here her.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Do you need snacks? Do you need a comfy chair?
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Deep deep breasts? Miss lady?
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, really, do you see her trying to come
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: up with her story and it's caught on bodycam. I'm
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: so happy, Tate, you're happy, you.
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: Know, I'm not, uh, not that surprised really that cops
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: would try to be nice to her, because you know,
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: they don't know exactly what's going on. If they start
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: being rough on her now, she might clam up. And
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: so I'm not always an expert on police tactics. However,
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: I do know that they approach certain people that they
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: haven't decided what their involvement is, with a certain amount
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: of forgiveness and what they're saying in order to keep
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: them talking. And here it in fact worked because not
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: only did they get her to talk to tell what
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: possibly really happened that's before the jury to be decided
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: right now, but also got her to turn on this man.
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: Okay, let's do it again, sir.
• 37:34
  Speaker 12: Do anything. We'll be here for a little bit, right,
• 37:46
  Speaker 12: Good for you.
• 37:47
  Speaker 14: Yeah, does anyone have a bottle of water we can
• 37:54
  Speaker 14: get her?
• 37:56
  Speaker 13: I might have.
• 37:57
  Speaker 12: My car is drinking the drink.
• 38:00
  Speaker 14: When you guys get there, there's comfy couches. We can
• 38:01
  Speaker 14: get you guys some snacks if you want. There's a
• 38:03
  Speaker 14: bathinry you can use. Okay, we can put the TV
• 38:06
  Speaker 14: on for a little bit and see if we can.
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: Give you a drawing in some coloring books.
• 38:10
  Speaker 14: And oh, they definitely got coloring books there, they got toys.
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: It's okay, it's.
• 38:17
  Speaker 14: Okay, it's okay, it's okay to be scared. Okay, you're
• 38:23
  Speaker 14: gonna be all right. You guys are gonna take care
• 38:26
  Speaker 14: of each other, okay. And then I'm sure they're gonna
• 38:31
  Speaker 14: have some very nice people there.
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: That will talk with you.
• 38:33
  Speaker 14: Okay, they'll help you feel better.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: She just shot, she admits, on the stand under oath
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: hand on bible.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: She shot Joseph Ryan.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Dad stood there while Christine was stabbed in the neck.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: And she's getting snacks and comfy chair, okay, and then
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I know Christine is just turning over in her grave.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: She keeps hugging and clinging to Christine's baby.
• 39:00
  Speaker 14: When did they first begin to refer to you as
• 39:03
  Speaker 14: her mommy?
• 39:05
  Speaker 15: I do not remember when exactly.
• 39:08
  Speaker 17: Sally Faiz with the Victim Services describes Christine's daughter finding
• 39:12
  Speaker 17: out her mother is dead. The four year old asked, Maggales,
• 39:15
  Speaker 17: can I call you mommy now? Valorie Ben asks if
• 39:18
  Speaker 17: the two would get married, to which Moggalese says, I wish.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, what is it about this video
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: of the hugging and the slobbering over the baby? And hey,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: when doctor Bethany's talking, could you please show that the
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: nanny when she has another hyperventilation as besides, she's hanging
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: her nose out the squad car. What is she smelling, martyr?
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: What is so skin crawling about her hugging all over
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: the baby.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: It's so skin crawling because she's exploiting the baby to
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: gain sympathy from the officers. If she really loved that baby,
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: she would not be have participated in killing the baby's mother.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: This is like a Mommy Dearest moment where the a
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: parent or a nanny uses a child like a prop
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: so that they can act like they're attached, whereas we
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: know deep down she's not attached at all. She won't
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: be attached to Brandon. She wasn't attached to Christine, to Joe,
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: who's already been murdered lying upstairs. She's not going to
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: attach to this little baby. This baby might as well
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: just be a doll, you know, Nancy. It's often not
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: what people say when they talk to the police. It's
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: what they don't say. She says, she's hyperventilating, she's putting
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: a goo good show on. But you know what she
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: doesn't say, This poor little girl, she had such a
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: good relationship with her mommy. Her mommy's upstairs. What can
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: we do to keep her safe and protect It is
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: not about the little girl. It's all about killer Nanny.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: And consequently, to Dave mac, it's about the husband, because
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I do believe that much of the killer Nanny. I
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: don't think she's got the wherewithal to come up with
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: a plot on her own. She just wanted to get
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: married to the irs agent hubby. That's all she wanted.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: He wanted the murder, Dave mc and I think that's
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: very clear. Oh hey, Dave, what can you tell me
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: about him? The husband ordering triple soundproof windows so the
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: neighbors could not hear the wife's scream during the murder.
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: Nancy, it's unbelievable the effort that he went to. This
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: goes down to the planning stages of thinking about, hey man,
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: somebody might hear the yelling, screening whatever outside, So he
• 41:50
  Speaker 10: orders these triple pain windows that even the guy the
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: window people talking about this day.
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  Speaker 11: This goes well.
• 41:58
  Speaker 10: Beyond trying to say made money with you know, temperature
• 42:02
  Speaker 10: inside the.
• 42:03
  Speaker 11: House or outside.
• 42:04
  Speaker 10: This goes to a whole new level of cover up
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: and nancy it. We even went so far as Brendon
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: Bamfilt going upstairs, yeah and sending Magaia is out in
• 42:15
  Speaker 10: the park in the road, and he is up there
• 42:18
  Speaker 10: and starts yelling and screaming at the top of his
• 42:21
  Speaker 10: lungs to see if she could hear it. And she said,
• 42:24
  Speaker 10: I couldn't really tell what was being said, could only
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: hear a little bit. So yeah, triple paane windows did
• 42:29
  Speaker 10: the trick.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: They were called triple glazed windows. He had installed soa
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: tate You think that was just a coincydink, a coincidence
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: that the husband, thanks, you're very attended with these guys
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: come out triple glazed windows and then had the nanny
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: go up and scream at the top of her lungs,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: and he waited outside to.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: See if he could hear her.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: They were testing the windows to make sure the neighbors
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: could not hear her screaming during the murder.
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, none of this is good. This is some of
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: the worst evidence. I think, circumstantial evidence that I've seen
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: piled up in a long time.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: You're the divise lawyer, something like it really cuts down
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: your electric bill?
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Well, it does.
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: They're very efficient and they're used in places sometimes, but
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: they are efficient. However, having somebody scream so you can
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: figure out whether you hear them, I think that's again
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: circumstantial evidence that looks like a plot to kill. And
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: you know, once again, if you're going to commit a crime,
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: if you're going to get up to the edge, then
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: don't bring somebody with you to testify how bad you've been.
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: So that's what this guy did here.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: In the last hours, the jury has returned a verdict
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: of guilty on the irs agent husband that masterminded a
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: bizarre sex fetish scheme wherein his wife ends up dead.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: All I have to say is, hey, Jerry, you got
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: it right. But what took so long? Long? Nancy Grace
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: signing off, goodbye friend
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: M HM.