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LeBron James the Cyborg, Tiger Woods Dominance, Usain Bolt the Flash · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. My name
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Speaker 1: is Bobani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast.
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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we're trying something here. We got a
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Speaker 1: series that we came up with, which is top 25
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Speaker 1: athletes of the last 25 years. So I guess the
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Speaker 1: top 25 athletes of the new millennium. That is how
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Speaker 1: we do it. We have already released athletes 25 through 21.
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Speaker 1: So go check that out in the archives if you
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Speaker 1: have not gotten there. So what we're going to do
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Speaker 1: is we're going to give you five. and then we're
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Speaker 1: going to come and we're going to talk about some
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Speaker 1: topic along the way while talking about these 25 athletes. But, man,
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Speaker 1: Ryan did a great job of putting this all together,
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Speaker 1: so I appreciate you checking this out with us. The
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Speaker 1: first step we're going to have is athletes that when
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Speaker 1: you watched them just felt like the future. And to
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Speaker 1: join us to talk about this is a futuristic man himself,
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Speaker 1: the greatest college football writer in America, Spencer Hall. What's
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Speaker 1: going on?
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Speaker 2: I am looking towards the future via the past for
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Speaker 2: you because– I think the cool thing about this concept
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Speaker 2: is essentially we do get to remember some guys, right?
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Speaker 2: But it's not just remembering guys because they're funny. It's
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Speaker 2: remembering that moment when you saw them and you were like,
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Speaker 2: I'm obsolete. It's the moment when I feel like elite
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Speaker 2: athletes look at another athlete and feel like I did
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Speaker 2: in fifth grade. When they go, nope, never going to
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Speaker 2: be good at any of this. That guy is.
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Speaker 1: Bud D told a story out here about the time
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Speaker 1: that he and Pimp C met D'Angelo. It was after
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Speaker 1: Brown Sugar came out and Pimp asked D'Angelo what equipment
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Speaker 1: he used. And he said he used ASR-10 to do
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Speaker 1: the album, which apparently was a piece of machinery that
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Speaker 1: Pimp was very familiar with. And then after D'Angelo left,
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Speaker 1: Pimp said that. Apparently, if he did that with the
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Speaker 1: ASR 10, I don't know what, I ain't got no
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Speaker 1: idea what I'm supposed to do with that. I must
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Speaker 1: need to read the manual or something. That is basically
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Speaker 1: the equivalent of these things. I saw a clip, if
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Speaker 1: we were going to go back in the day to
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Speaker 1: give an example of the sort of phenomenon that we
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Speaker 1: are describing. Did you see this clip that was bouncing
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Speaker 1: around of Tim Brown telling the story of Bo Jackson
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Speaker 1: asking for a play with no blocking?
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Speaker 2: No, I have not seen this.
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Speaker 1: So he says that this had to be 87, right?
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Speaker 1: Or 88. It must have been Tim Brown's rookie year.
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Speaker 1: And he said that they were sitting in a meeting
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Speaker 1: and they were drawing up. It felt like a counter
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Speaker 1: or whatever. And he said they both screamed out, Bodo
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Speaker 1: won't no block it. And he's like, what? Bodo won't
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Speaker 1: no block it. And so on the play, all the
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Speaker 1: blocking goes to the right and Bo goes to the
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Speaker 1: left with the plan being basically that he can outrun
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Speaker 1: everybody or, as the way Tim Brown put it, unfortunately
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Speaker 1: for our friend Mike Harton, Bo will run through you.
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Speaker 1: And so I forget how many yards it was, but
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Speaker 1: it's everybody going one way, Bo Jackson going the other,
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Speaker 1: running through somebody's chest, straight in for a touchdown.
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Speaker 2: That's obscene. But that's what we're talking about here, right? Yes.
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Speaker 1: Bo Jackson, by the way, would still be from the future. Still.
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Speaker 2: Today. He would still be from the future. This is
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Speaker 2: the wild thing I can say confidently about Bo Jackson.
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Speaker 2: Even in this market that has devalued the running back,
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Speaker 2: he would be the Derrick Henry exception. He would still
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Speaker 2: be from the future at a position that is effectively
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Speaker 2: the past.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the way to put it for the kids.
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Speaker 1: The unfathomable combination of size, speed, power, and all that
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Speaker 1: for Derrick Henry. I need you to understand, Bo Jackson
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Speaker 1: is in a different role than Derrick Henry.
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Speaker 2: Well, with all due respect to Derrick Henry.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes. All due respect, this was the clip of
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Speaker 1: Bo Jackson with the White Sox, flat-footed, throwing that dude
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Speaker 1: out from right field at Yankee Stadium at third base.
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Speaker 1: And then you realize, if you're our age, that if
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Speaker 1: he's with the White Sox, that means he's doing it
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Speaker 1: with a plastic hip.
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Speaker 2: Uh-huh. Remember that when he was recovering from an injury,
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Speaker 2: Bo Jackson would shoot a bow and arrow with his
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Speaker 2: toes accurately in his backyard.
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Speaker 1: Not real. Yes.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: I'd rather fight a Peterbilt.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. My odds are, it'll be faster and my odds
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Speaker 2: are better. Yeah. I don't want it.
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Speaker 1: Just throwing it out there. But man, there's so many
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Speaker 1: examples that like jump to mind when you feel like
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Speaker 1: you're watching something that is outright the future. And I'm
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Speaker 1: going to throw an example at you on this one.
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Speaker 1: And I feel safe saying that it's the future because
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Speaker 1: it's the man who has done something that literally still
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Speaker 1: has not been done. And I remember very clearly, this
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Speaker 1: is not the same moment that he did something that
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Speaker 1: has not been done, but this had not been done
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Speaker 1: up until that point. I was doing a radio show
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Speaker 1: in August of 2018. think yeah it had to be
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Speaker 1: August it was August 2008 and you know when you
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Speaker 1: do radio you do remotes and when you do remotes
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Speaker 1: it's because there's some sort of sponsorship deal that's there
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Speaker 1: and in this case I was doing radio for a
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Speaker 1: station that had the contract for Duke football okay and
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Speaker 1: this is the first year of cut clips which is
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Speaker 1: to say they were ass until proven otherwise right and
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Speaker 1: so I guess it was some kind of like fun football,
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Speaker 1: some kind of, you know, come watch the football team
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Speaker 1: this season event. And I'm there at that awful stadium
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Speaker 1: and I'm up in the box and I'm doing the show.
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Speaker 1: And somebody told sent me a link and was like,
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Speaker 1: this is the 100 meter dash finals from Beijing. I
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Speaker 1: was unaware that Usain Bolt existed. Right. I had no
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Speaker 1: clue that this guy was anybody. And I remember they
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Speaker 1: went up and down the line and they said that
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Speaker 1: he was the world record holder. I'm like, OK, well,
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Speaker 1: you know, that obviously means something. And it's big old
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Speaker 1: six five dude. And they get down the line and
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Speaker 1: they say it's him. And he does that shit where
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Speaker 1: he starts rubbing his face and then he does the
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Speaker 1: whole like bow and arrow type thing or whatever that was.
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Speaker 1: And I was like, huh, I wonder what's going on here.
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Speaker 1: And the race started like all the Usain Bolt races
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Speaker 1: start where all the dudes with the shorter legs get
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Speaker 1: this lead. And then it looked like they stayed still
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Speaker 1: and he got shot out of a camp. And before
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Speaker 1: he even gets to the finish line, he's turning around
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Speaker 1: and looking at them. I think he only broke the
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Speaker 1: Olympic record there, but I was. Yeah, I could not
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Speaker 1: believe it was that amazing just watching somebody run in
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Speaker 1: a straight line.
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Speaker 2: It is astonishing to watch somebody make something that simple.
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Speaker 2: I think that's the thing that makes Bolt so stunning
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Speaker 2: because he's doing something that anyone can do. That's the thing.
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Speaker 2: It's not like you might watch an NHL player play
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Speaker 2: and you're three steps removed from even starting that process,
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Speaker 2: understanding that process. You have to learn how to skate.
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Speaker 2: You'd have to learn how to handle a puck. You
7:12
Speaker 2: got to learn how to shoot and you got to
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Speaker 2: learn how to play defense. Like that's your three or
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Speaker 2: four steps removed from ever starting that. There's a lot
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Speaker 2: of gear. Same Bolt can do his job in his
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Speaker 2: birthday suit. Like that's running. He could just run. And
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Speaker 2: the fact that everything about him was different. It'd be
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Speaker 2: different if he were one of these running back looking guys, right?
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Speaker 2: Like Gatlin was one of these guys who you go, okay,
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Speaker 2: I know for a fact, football ties. He could do
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Speaker 2: that if he wanted to.
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Speaker 1: No. Towering.
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Speaker 2: Huge. Awful starter. Awful starter. Everybody who knows track and
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Speaker 2: field will look at his starts and go, it does
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Speaker 2: not make sense. It does not make sense how bad
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Speaker 2: Bolt is off the line and where he ends up.
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Speaker 2: There are times when you look at athletes like Bolt,
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Speaker 2: a guy who stands out for me right now, who's
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Speaker 2: that kind of guy, who's a complete different sport, but
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Speaker 2: a different level of this. A simple thing, riding a bike,
8:12
Speaker 2: Taj Pogacar. I hope I'm probably butchering his name. He's
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Speaker 2: a rider. Do you know what his chief asset is, Bo?
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Speaker 2: Relative to his peers?
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Speaker 1: Pain tolerance.
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Speaker 2: Pain tolerance. He takes more pain and can hurt longer
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Speaker 2: than anyone else. Writers like Lance Armstrong, okay, who, while augmented,
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Speaker 2: certainly had his share of being able to take pain,
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Speaker 2: are like, yeah, he's the best. It's not close, right?
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Speaker 2: Or when you watch Leo Messi, like when you watch
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Speaker 2: Leo Messi, you know, at 5'5, right? A guy who
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Speaker 2: looks like a normal human being and suddenly he's doing
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Speaker 2: something with a ball that normal human beings have never done.
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Speaker 2: Not like, oh, kind of like this guy. No.
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Speaker 1: One of one.
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Speaker 2: One of one. And I think that's what we're talking
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Speaker 2: about here is when you go, you have redefined something
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Speaker 2: that other people thought was done. We thought we knew
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Speaker 2: how to run.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: No. Usain Bolt actually knows how to run. The rest
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Speaker 2: of us are just learning.
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Speaker 1: First of all, nice of you to call 5'5 normal. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Second thing on Usain Bolt, I don't know if you
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Speaker 1: remember in 2012 in London where he won the 100-meter final.
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Speaker 1: And I remember that Tyson Gay ran a 9.85 and
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Speaker 1: did not get a medal. But what I remember that
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Speaker 1: I will never lose sight of is how happy silver
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Speaker 1: and bronze were.
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Speaker 2: Overjoyed.
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Speaker 1: Because they understood going in.
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Speaker 2: Gold, gold.
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Speaker 1: Was not on the table, right? Like, you know what's
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Speaker 1: silver in that race? You know what it felt like?
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Speaker 1: It felt like Kobe's 81. Kobe's 81 is not the
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Speaker 1: most points that anybody has ever scored. But we have
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Speaker 1: decided that that 100 thing is not. happening, all right?
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Speaker 1: Way to go getting that silver when gold is really
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Speaker 1: like triple platinum.
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Speaker 2: When we can take all of your accomplishments and turn
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Speaker 2: someone else's second place into their first, that's how I
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Speaker 2: know you occupy a unique place of immense gravity in
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Speaker 2: the sporting world. cosmos everybody who played against michael jordan
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Speaker 2: everybody you go man charles barkley that's incredible he had
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Speaker 2: 50 in a playoff game well why am i mentioning
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Speaker 2: that because you're never touching a ring never touching a
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Speaker 2: ring why because there was a a very selfish man
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Speaker 2: a very selfish and very gifted man who didn't who
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Speaker 2: didn't want anybody else the list of players that he
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Speaker 2: denied titles to absolutely incredible and that's what we're that's
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Speaker 2: what we're talking about you know like i i am
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Speaker 2: When I think about all of the like swimmers, all
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Speaker 2: of the like lady swimmers who put in thousands of hours, Beau,
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Speaker 2: like black line fever, right? I'm just looking at the pool.
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Speaker 2: This is all I'm doing. I went to Stanford. I
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Speaker 2: got a 4.0. I finished first. I beat everybody. I'm
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Speaker 2: faster in the water than anybody else. Katie Ledecky walks in.
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Speaker 2: You know what you do? Silver feels great. Silver is
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Speaker 2: a nice metal. I love it.
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Speaker 1: That was the 1500?
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Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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Speaker 1: Where like she's out and dry in her in her
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Speaker 1: in her regular clothes yeah and you just got finished
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Speaker 1: with the hardest earned silver of your life.
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Speaker 2: Yeah congratulations that's the best silver anyone's ever gotten.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah like honestly with her i i like
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Speaker 1: why you even be trying hard I mean, if you
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Speaker 1: want to, that's fine. I'm not saying that you can't,
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Speaker 1: but like you ever consider like just a leisurely stroll
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Speaker 1: through the pool? I mean, I think you'd still win.
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Speaker 2: You know, she can take a glass of milk and
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Speaker 2: put it on the back of her head and swim
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Speaker 2: and it doesn't spill. There's video of this. I am
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Speaker 2: not lying. You can go watch. I encourage you to
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Speaker 2: go watch. That's a different human being. We're playing different sports.
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Speaker 2: I made a new sport and now you have to
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Speaker 2: play it. And you will finish second or third every
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Speaker 2: time because I'm just that much better. And I think
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Speaker 2: this is– I can go on about this for days
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Speaker 2: because I think there's no end. Nothing is hyperbole when
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Speaker 2: we talk about some of these athletes. Nothing is exaggeration.
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Speaker 2: The things that they are doing, like the things that
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Speaker 2: Maradona did on the soccer field, right? While the numbers
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Speaker 2: don't exactly show it because of the game, everyone talks
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Speaker 2: about he saw space differently. He made the ball different.
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Speaker 2: in the game something different when he was on the
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Speaker 2: field and that's that's what we're talking about right like
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Speaker 2: i think musicians get this a lot too right like
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Speaker 2: when somebody asked eric clapton hey you know like what's
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Speaker 2: that feel like being the best guitarist in the world
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Speaker 2: and he's like go ask prince because it's not me.
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Speaker 1: God i wish that quote was real so they could
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Speaker 1: ask prince about it and prince could say i love
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Speaker 1: immigrants um that's.
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Speaker 2: We can do that but we could be like hey
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Speaker 2: eric clapton Super pro-immigration. Big pro-immigration guy.
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Speaker 1: Totally.
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Speaker 2: Totally.
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Speaker 1: I want to make something clear also about the way
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Speaker 1: that we did this list is that this top 25,
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Speaker 1: to qualify at the turn of the century, you had
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Speaker 1: to be 25 or younger. That's what you had to
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Speaker 1: do to be on this list. And a part of
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Speaker 1: why that specification existed was to make sure some people
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Speaker 1: got into the discussion. And one of them I will
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Speaker 1: now ask you about it is, do you have any
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Speaker 1: recollection of the first time that you saw Randy Jean Moss?
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Speaker 2: Play football i do it was against army uh when
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Speaker 2: he was at marshall first of all of all of
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Speaker 2: the sacrifices we have asked our enlisted men and women
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Speaker 2: to make guarding randy moss one-on-one at corner is among
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Speaker 2: the most unfair that's what i would say he was
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Speaker 2: the thing i first noticed about him is he wore
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Speaker 2: high socks he wore high socks and like hussein bolt
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Speaker 2: this is why he's like bolt nothing that tall should
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Speaker 2: move like that. Nothing because he wore the socks and
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Speaker 2: you could see the flashes of color when he moved. Right.
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Speaker 2: Cause it was kind of dingy. It was on videotape
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Speaker 2: and it was, uh, not live. That's how we all
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Speaker 2: saw Randy for the first time. Cause he played for
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Speaker 2: Marshall and it was not live and you saw it.
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Speaker 2: And it was a little bit like a cryptid. It
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Speaker 2: was like seeing Bigfoot. You go, I don't know if
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Speaker 2: I really saw that. You go, Oh, he's playing against army.
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Speaker 2: It couldn't be that hard. And then, um, He played
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Speaker 2: for the Vikings. And everybody's like, yeah, this guy's really good.
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Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't know. He played FCS.
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Speaker 2: You know, he played down there. He's playing against plumbers, right?
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people thought he was playing
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Speaker 2: against plumbers. He was not playing against plumbers. It didn't matter.
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Speaker 2: He made everyone look the same. That's the first time
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Speaker 2: I saw him. And the thing I noticed was the movement.
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Speaker 2: People don't understand that athletes in general, what differentiates them
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Speaker 2: from the general population is movement. They can move. And
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Speaker 2: what differentiates somebody who is an absolute freak like Randy,
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Speaker 2: who is good at everything. Remember at Marshall, his teammates
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Speaker 2: said that he didn't know how to dive. He didn't
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Speaker 2: know how to go off the high dive, knew how
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Speaker 2: to swim, was great at it. It was really fast actually,
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Speaker 2: but he didn't know how to dive. So the Marshall
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Speaker 2: dive team showed him how to do a gainer, half
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Speaker 2: gainer twist. And he was doing them on the first attempt.
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Speaker 2: Like he could see it and he could mimic it.
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Speaker 2: That's the kind of like, differentiating talent you see among
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Speaker 2: athletes and that's where Randy was all.
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Speaker 1: Right so for the young people who don't know the
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Speaker 1: Randy Moss narrative art which is a doozy and at
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Speaker 1: times problematic he was the number one football player in
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Speaker 1: America coming from West Virginia a state that does not
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Speaker 1: produce football players He signed to go to Notre Dame.
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Speaker 1: He got in trouble for his involvement in a fight
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Speaker 1: in high school and he went to jail. And when
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Speaker 1: he signed the bail paperwork or he was wearing a
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame hat that was the same colors as Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 1: Just to remind you that we are dealing with West Virginia.
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame came up with a credible explanation for why
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Speaker 1: it was that they were not letting him in after
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Speaker 1: this had happened. And Lou Holtz called Bobby Bowden and said,
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Speaker 1: I got somebody for you. A phone call that I
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Speaker 1: never would have made. I'm not saying that if I
16:27
Speaker 1: was Lou Holtz, I wouldn't have called some place for
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Speaker 1: the young man to go. But it would not have
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Speaker 1: been Florida State. That is to say that Randy Moss
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Speaker 1: and a gentleman named Peter Warwick that you young people
16:36
Speaker 1: don't know anything about, but good God, came in at
16:39
Speaker 1: the same time. But the condition was that Randy Moss
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Speaker 1: had the red shirt. They said that he scored a
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Speaker 1: touchdown in every practice and scrimmage that he participated in
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Speaker 1: at Florida State. He then got kicked out of Florida
16:52
Speaker 1: State because he came home to West Virginia and he
16:55
Speaker 1: failed a drug test with his P.O. There's some questions
16:57
Speaker 1: about how exactly that happened. And he wound up going
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Speaker 1: to Marshall, which was the best team in the FCS.
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Speaker 1: And it is totally unfair that he participated. Our buddy,
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Speaker 1: Kevin Van Valkenburg, played for the Montana team that played
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Speaker 1: against Moss. And he said that all they did on
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Speaker 1: the play at Rod Hall was try to devise strategies
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Speaker 1: for what you're supposed to do against a guy like that.
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Speaker 1: He never told me what they came up with, but
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Speaker 1: it sounded a lot like treating him like it was
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Speaker 1: the punt team and he was the gunner and putting
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Speaker 1: two people there. So he gets to the NFL. He
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Speaker 1: plays for the Vikings, who at the time had the
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Speaker 1: best pair of wide receivers in the league already. He
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Speaker 1: is there, and there was a Monday night game. I
17:32
Speaker 1: believe it was against the Packers. That whole year, the
17:36
Speaker 1: game against the Cowboys on Thanksgiving where he had three
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Speaker 1: catches for three touchdowns. He's taller than everybody. He's faster
17:42
Speaker 1: than everybody. His hand game is crazy. His route game
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Speaker 1: is crazy. I believe for the position that he played,
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Speaker 1: He is the most perfect football player who ever existed.
17:54
Speaker 1: Nobody was better built to do whatever their job was,
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Speaker 1: their Randy Moss was at being a wide receiver, because
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Speaker 1: he was a borderline all-American caliber basketball player. So when
18:04
Speaker 1: you're going up to get the ball and you're fighting
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Speaker 1: for the rebound, basically, look who's there.
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Speaker 2: He did the thing that is not supposed to happen
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Speaker 2: against defenses. Defenses are built to constrain. And defenses are
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Speaker 2: built to have a top. You're not supposed to be
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Speaker 2: able to take the top off the defense. And the
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Speaker 2: thing that Randy Mawson interviews as a pro against some
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Speaker 2: of the most God tier athletes you will ever see
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Speaker 2: cornerbacks who are built to read, react and live in
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Speaker 2: space all day long. Randy would be like, I got
18:38
Speaker 2: my job is to take the top off the defense,
18:40
Speaker 2: which is amazing because when you do that, it's like
18:42
Speaker 2: a defensive end on the defensive side. If I can
18:45
Speaker 2: break this one contain the whole structure falls apart. When
18:48
Speaker 2: the Vikings were really good, and Randy was able to
18:51
Speaker 2: take the top off the defense, they were capable of
18:54
Speaker 2: doing anything. Chris Carter had to, like the happiest times
18:59
Speaker 2: in his life, had to be playing with Randy. Because
19:01
Speaker 2: do you know what they're worried about? Not you. Not you.
19:04
Speaker 2: Everyone's absolutely terrified of Randy. Randy and Dante Culpepper, greatest
19:10
Speaker 2: video game combo of all time in real life. Like
19:14
Speaker 2: they could do things in real life that you did
19:17
Speaker 2: in the game regularly.
19:19
Speaker 1: Also, go find the NFL Films clip of them talking
19:22
Speaker 1: about the coin toss. Call Tails, just like PlayStation. Always
19:26
Speaker 1: call Tails. Always call Tails. And if for whatever reason
19:29
Speaker 1: Dante did not call Tails, Randy Moss was hot. I
19:32
Speaker 1: told you, call Tails. They don't play PlayStation like we do. Oh,
19:38
Speaker 1: my God.
19:38
Speaker 2: I mean, like on top of all that, like on
19:40
Speaker 2: top of Randy just being physically superlative, right? Like on
19:45
Speaker 2: top of him getting... One of the best second acts
19:48
Speaker 2: in NFL history by being. Tom Brady's safety blanket. It's
19:52
Speaker 2: nice when your safety blanket, when your outlet receiver is
19:55
Speaker 2: the definition of an outlet receiver is the 30-yard go, right?
19:59
Speaker 1: Yes.
20:00
Speaker 2: That's an amazing thing. On top of all that, Randy's
20:03
Speaker 2: just singular for being Randy. Just the fact that that voice,
20:07
Speaker 2: that look, right? Like he, he would, he, he had
20:11
Speaker 2: the like visor. He had the like high socks. He
20:14
Speaker 2: just looked different. And on top of all that, you
20:17
Speaker 2: said best football player. And I'm glad you said that
20:19
Speaker 2: not wide receiver football player, Duke block strong as hell
20:24
Speaker 2: at Marshall. His lineman talked about how Randy would wrestle them.
20:27
Speaker 2: And more often than not, at least wrestle them to
20:30
Speaker 2: a draw while giving them a hundred pounds of total
20:33
Speaker 2: body weight difference.
20:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
20:35
Speaker 2: Like, football player not just wide receiver not just athlete.
20:40
Speaker 1: Football player Spencer his first game with Tom Brady and
20:43
Speaker 1: it was the game that we realized oh this is
20:45
Speaker 1: going to be a problem because Randy Moss had Randy
20:47
Speaker 1: Moss had played with good quarterbacks Dante Culpepper of his
20:50
Speaker 1: best was excellent um Randall Cunningham he got we got
20:53
Speaker 1: the last flicker of life that he had to offer
20:56
Speaker 1: but it wasn't Tom Brady and Tom Brady had never
20:58
Speaker 1: played with a legitimate wide receiver and of course that
20:59
Speaker 1: first year Tom Brady breaks the league record for touchdown
21:02
Speaker 1: passes Randy Moss breaks the league record for touchdown receptions
21:05
Speaker 1: and in that first game against the Jets when he
21:09
Speaker 1: ran past Darrell Revis and two others just ran past
21:13
Speaker 1: him and Tom Brady was like shit man I can
21:15
Speaker 1: just throw this up there the Randy Moss classic chug
21:18
Speaker 1: it up there dog.
21:20
Speaker 2: Yeah and by the way you talk about being able
21:23
Speaker 2: to run past Revis and these guys it looks like
21:25
Speaker 2: running past it's also I can't get my hands on
21:27
Speaker 2: him he's too strong it's not just speed speed's there
21:32
Speaker 2: and that's the terrifying part But something that big and
21:35
Speaker 2: strong can also move like a gazelle. There is no
21:41
Speaker 2: greater crime in football history than the Giants beating that
21:44
Speaker 2: Patriots team. Because the one time you give me a
21:46
Speaker 2: Patriots team that I enjoy watching, the one time you
21:48
Speaker 2: put Randy in a position to win a Super Bowl,
21:53
Speaker 2: that happens. Just criminality.
21:55
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: Back on the right time with Spencer Hall. We are
23:20
Speaker 1: talking about the athletes that look like they came to us.
23:23
Speaker 1: From the future. I want to talk about one from
23:27
Speaker 1: college football and very particularly different college football. Not that
23:30
Speaker 1: it didn't look like the future in the NFL, but
23:32
Speaker 1: it really looked like the future in college. And there
23:34
Speaker 1: are a lot of examples that we can point to
23:37
Speaker 1: on this one. We only have so much time here.
23:39
Speaker 1: But is it possible for you or I to explain
23:43
Speaker 1: what the 2010 Cam Newton season was? Separate from all
23:47
Speaker 1: the drama, just the realization of, oh, this is real.
23:52
Speaker 2: It's like he is the promise fulfilled of five or
23:55
Speaker 2: six different quarterbacks leading up to this, right? Like there
24:00
Speaker 2: are guys who hinted at the potential of a passing
24:02
Speaker 2: and running quarterback. There are guys who hinted at the
24:04
Speaker 2: potential of putting him in a spread offense, right? Like
24:07
Speaker 2: Mike Vick. Okay, Mike Vick's at Virginia Tech, but he
24:09
Speaker 2: was playing in a 1950s offense. And so everything he
24:13
Speaker 2: does is kind of improvisation and not really built around him.
24:15
Speaker 2: You get guys like Major Harris, even before him, who
24:19
Speaker 2: were guys who could run, guys who could throw. but
24:22
Speaker 2: never really got the opportunity to sort of utilize that
24:24
Speaker 2: full skill set. You look at Cam and all of
24:27
Speaker 2: a sudden it's like somebody hits all the sliders at once.
24:30
Speaker 2: All of them. It's in the perfect place because it's
24:32
Speaker 2: at Auburn with Gus Malzahn who manages to see what
24:34
Speaker 2: he's got and isn't afraid to run him and isn't
24:36
Speaker 2: afraid to give him passing routes or a pass design
24:41
Speaker 2: that really plays into his strengths. You get the size.
24:46
Speaker 2: I don't think people understand how big Cam is. Like
24:49
Speaker 2: he's big for his size and everyone knows, like you
24:53
Speaker 2: could go look it up, right? He's like almost six
24:56
Speaker 2: and a half feet tall, 240 pounds at playing weight
25:01
Speaker 2: and fast, right? So you get the size, you get
25:04
Speaker 2: the speed, you get the arm, right? Which Young was
25:07
Speaker 2: a little wild, but he manages to get that under
25:09
Speaker 2: control at Auburn. You know, they really craft around his
25:12
Speaker 2: skills and his strengths there. And then you get a
25:16
Speaker 2: spot where they just ride him And there's very, very
25:20
Speaker 2: few teams that have really sort of gone all in
25:22
Speaker 2: on one player quite like that team did. Go look
25:25
Speaker 2: at the number of players they have in the NFL
25:26
Speaker 2: off that team.
25:27
Speaker 1: But that's what I was about to say. Why did
25:28
Speaker 1: they go all in on that one guy? He was
25:31
Speaker 1: all they had. And you didn't really notice it while
25:33
Speaker 1: you were watching, but he was literally all they had.
25:37
Speaker 1: Not one other player on offense, I believe, played a
25:40
Speaker 1: game in the NFL.
25:42
Speaker 2: You get Nick Fairley on the D-line, and I believe
25:45
Speaker 2: that's it in terms of that team. more than any
25:49
Speaker 2: other team, is carried by one guy. One singular talent.
25:55
Speaker 2: And at any point, he does exactly what they need
25:58
Speaker 2: him to do. You want to talk about hitting all
25:59
Speaker 2: the right notes? Every time they needed a 150-yard rushing
26:02
Speaker 2: game out of Cam, they got one, right? They would
26:05
Speaker 2: come to a game and go, well, I guess we're
26:06
Speaker 2: a run team today. They would run. And then if
26:09
Speaker 2: they needed a big passing game, then they could get
26:11
Speaker 2: it from Cam. They didn't necessarily have the tools to
26:14
Speaker 2: do that. He just sort of forced it and made
26:15
Speaker 2: it happen. Who is he throwing to? Philip Lutzenkirchen? You know,
26:19
Speaker 2: like R.I.P. OK, like but but he didn't have the
26:24
Speaker 2: tools to do that and yet made it happen anyway.
26:26
Speaker 2: I saw the LSU game live and I saw it
26:28
Speaker 2: at field level and I saw it in a bunch
26:30
Speaker 2: of LSU fans. And I can't tell you I've never
26:33
Speaker 2: seen a bigger negative impact on a team on a
26:35
Speaker 2: fan base of psyche mid game than that run. They'll
26:39
Speaker 2: run against LSU. If you'll remember, Patrick Peterson is on
26:41
Speaker 2: the field like there are real players he is going against.
26:44
Speaker 2: And he is running around them like it's the schoolyard,
26:47
Speaker 2: like it's a high school tape. If you'd seen this
26:48
Speaker 2: high school tape, you'd gone, oh, man, that guy's talented.
26:52
Speaker 2: Can't wait to see what real athletes can put him through.
26:55
Speaker 2: Let's see if he rises to the challenge. He made
26:57
Speaker 2: guys who later went on to play for a decade
27:01
Speaker 2: in the NFL look clueless on that run. And he's
27:04
Speaker 2: not even breathing hard halfway through that. He doesn't hit
27:09
Speaker 2: the gas until like about four seconds, five seconds into
27:12
Speaker 2: that play.
27:13
Speaker 1: All right, so let's run through the 2011 NFL draft, okay?
27:17
Speaker 1: These are the– which I think has a chance in
27:20
Speaker 1: the end is going down as maybe the greatest draft
27:22
Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL. Like, it was really
27:23
Speaker 1: that incredible. This is a draft that had Von Miller, A.J. Green,
27:28
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones. Guys you don't remember but were
27:31
Speaker 1: beasts like Alton Smith, Tyron Smith, J.J. Watt. I've named
27:35
Speaker 1: a lot of Hall of Famers already, by the way.
27:38
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn, another beast. Mike Pouncey, Cam Jordan, Mark Ingram,
27:43
Speaker 1: Cam Hayward, Colin Kaepernick. I can go up and down.
27:47
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman was in this draft. Justin Houston. So many dudes.
27:51
Speaker 1: And if you had Jarrell Casey, my bad. I just
27:53
Speaker 1: keep scrolling down the wiki and finding more guys. If
27:57
Speaker 1: you do this draft again, The number one pick is
28:00
Speaker 1: still Cam Newton. And what I think is hard to
28:02
Speaker 1: explain to people is how crazy it was in a
28:06
Speaker 1: way that he was the number one overall pick. Because
28:08
Speaker 1: this was at a time where the idea of a
28:10
Speaker 1: pro offense still mattered, right? And that was a high
28:14
Speaker 1: school offense they were running at Auburn. I don't mean
28:16
Speaker 1: that as an insult, but it was an offense that
28:18
Speaker 1: a high school coach basically brought and put in, right?
28:21
Speaker 1: Malzahn was coaching high school five years before he was
28:24
Speaker 1: doing this, okay? Where Cam is talking to John Gruden
28:27
Speaker 1: in the quarterback camp and being like, look, our play
28:29
Speaker 1: has just got numbers, right? Like we just got to
28:32
Speaker 1: get up there and move it. All the things that
28:34
Speaker 1: they said make you not a pro quarterback and all
28:37
Speaker 1: the things that you need to learn to be a
28:39
Speaker 1: pro quarterback. Anyway, that's the number one overall pick. Because
28:43
Speaker 1: even with Von Miller looking dead at you, you don't
28:46
Speaker 1: pass on this without a really good reason.
28:51
Speaker 2: Single greatest value of a replacement player in the history
28:54
Speaker 2: of college football. At any position. At any position, right?
28:58
Speaker 2: Like maybe the defensive equivalent is Ndamukong Suh in terms of... Because,
29:04
Speaker 2: you know, Ndamukong Suh was a great pro, but in
29:06
Speaker 2: college he was something else.
29:08
Speaker 1: Yes.
29:08
Speaker 2: Because his distance between whoever was going to take his
29:11
Speaker 2: place was so much different. Cam is... I'm holding my
29:15
Speaker 2: hands for anyone who's listening to the podcast in frame
29:17
Speaker 2: of the camera. I'm about to take my right hand
29:19
Speaker 2: and put it out of frame well above it to
29:22
Speaker 2: show where Cam.
29:22
Speaker 1: Would be because.
29:24
Speaker 2: There was nobody who was, and I think this is
29:26
Speaker 2: where you go, okay, we get back to how different
29:29
Speaker 2: were you, right? Like, okay, Cam Newton was the backup
29:33
Speaker 2: to Tim Tebow at florida tebow if cam newton had
29:38
Speaker 2: had time at florida he would not have made tim
29:41
Speaker 2: tebow a memory but he would have put up numbers
29:45
Speaker 2: that just simply it would have dwarfed what he had
29:49
Speaker 2: done particularly because he probably would have had a little
29:51
Speaker 2: more talent around him than he had at auburn.
29:53
Speaker 1: A little a little huh a little just a little
29:55
Speaker 1: like Look, and this is no knock on Tebow. The
29:58
Speaker 1: one thing that Florida has never pulled off is the
30:01
Speaker 1: undefeated national championships. With all that talent that they had
30:06
Speaker 1: at Florida, particularly the 08 squad. Right. That's the one
30:09
Speaker 1: that Tebow started. All that talent. They still lost a
30:12
Speaker 1: regular season game. Right.
30:14
Speaker 2: Yeah.
30:16
Speaker 1: Cam Newton's Auburn Tigers. And they are Cam Newton's Auburn Tigers.
30:21
Speaker 2: OK.
30:21
Speaker 1: Coach went no good either. They went undefeated in the SEC,
30:27
Speaker 1: including the 27 point comeback at Alabama. These things at Alabama,
30:33
Speaker 1: at Alabama, at Alabama and the LSU. OK, the LSU
30:37
Speaker 1: game was at home. Now that is always tricky because
30:39
Speaker 1: LSU were white in all the games. But those two
30:43
Speaker 1: teams they beat were teams that were easily the best
30:45
Speaker 1: two teams in the country the next season. And they
30:49
Speaker 1: were kind of the same. I mean, there wasn't a
30:50
Speaker 1: terrible difference between what those squads were. cam newton beat
30:54
Speaker 1: them by himself looking unlike anything we'd ever seen according
30:58
Speaker 1: to a paradigm unlike anything that we'd ever seen like
31:01
Speaker 1: cam ushers in the true shifting of nfl offenses because
31:05
Speaker 1: look you just got to do what this guy can
31:07
Speaker 1: do yeah right like this is this he's so big
31:10
Speaker 1: that all your some of your concerns about what happens
31:13
Speaker 1: when more of a run first offense you kind of
31:14
Speaker 1: got to get out the way with those.
31:17
Speaker 2: Cam is so big that like he shook off a
31:19
Speaker 2: car crash as he did that's which he You go like, OK,
31:24
Speaker 2: are we really talking about Superman here? And you go,
31:27
Speaker 2: kind of, kind of like it's not. It was his
31:30
Speaker 2: gimmick and it's what he did when he scored touchdowns.
31:33
Speaker 2: But that's different. You had to adjust to him because
31:37
Speaker 2: the things that he could do, like if you I
31:40
Speaker 2: watched him play his best, one of his best games.
31:43
Speaker 2: I watched him play against LSU in that season. I
31:45
Speaker 2: watched him play against Oregon in the title game. And Bo,
31:48
Speaker 2: he wasn't good in that title game. And do you
31:51
Speaker 2: know what an off-night Cam Newton does? Wins a national title.
31:55
Speaker 2: That's what an off-night Cam Newton does. It's amazing how
32:00
Speaker 2: bad he could be and still turn the tide of
32:03
Speaker 2: a game. It's amazing. If you look at that Alabama game,
32:05
Speaker 2: what test do you want him to pass? If you say, okay, well,
32:08
Speaker 2: this is the best college football player of all time. Well,
32:11
Speaker 2: you know, what was his game? And I'm like, against
32:13
Speaker 2: prime Bama, the heart of the Nick Saban beast, right?
32:18
Speaker 2: Hell itself. He went in. took whatever he wanted and
32:22
Speaker 2: left on the road after spotting them, you know, three
32:26
Speaker 2: TDs or whatever.
32:27
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes. There are two guys I want to get
32:31
Speaker 1: to here because I think they can be somewhat easy
32:33
Speaker 1: to forget because they become so commonplace in what we
32:37
Speaker 1: think about. I will start with LeBron James. Sure. To
32:45
Speaker 1: this day, if I tell you there's a guy that size,
32:49
Speaker 1: that does the things that he did coming out, you
32:53
Speaker 1: still kind of can't believe it. At the time, 6'8, 240,
32:58
Speaker 1: the best open court player basketball has ever seen with
33:06
Speaker 1: a computer brain who will eventually develop a jump shot
33:10
Speaker 1: that makes him all-world unstoppable and incredible.
33:13
Speaker 2: But.
33:14
Speaker 1: No, like the first time, you know, because look, I
33:18
Speaker 1: felt like we had heard a lot about LeBron and,
33:20
Speaker 1: you know, he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated
33:22
Speaker 1: and they were playing some of his games on ESPN,
33:24
Speaker 1: but most of us really hadn't seen it. And it
33:27
Speaker 1: was one, we'd seen high school players get in and all,
33:31
Speaker 1: even like, even back to Kobe Bryant, right? Even Kevin Garnett,
33:35
Speaker 1: they looked like guys who just came out of high school.
33:37
Speaker 1: They did not, they could play in the NBA, but
33:41
Speaker 1: they didn't look like they were like, It would have
33:43
Speaker 1: been better if they had gone to college. Yeah. There
33:46
Speaker 1: was no reason whatsoever for LeBron James to step foot
33:52
Speaker 1: on campus, and it was clear after one night. Mm-hmm.
33:57
Speaker 2: The best knock on LeBron James is a compliment, and
34:01
Speaker 2: it's this. The biggest weakness in LeBron's game is that
34:04
Speaker 2: it had to involve other people.
34:06
Speaker 1: Yes. That's it.
34:07
Speaker 2: That's it. There have been people who made entire sports
34:12
Speaker 2: careers sports media careers out of uh weaponizing this and
34:16
Speaker 2: saying that you know couldn't take over games there's a
34:19
Speaker 2: thing in lebron's head where he fundamentally he understands that
34:22
Speaker 2: basketball is a team sport maybe too much sometimes because
34:26
Speaker 2: sometimes he would trust his teammates even when you didn't
34:29
Speaker 2: want him to that's the right that's the thing is
34:31
Speaker 2: you look at him and go why would you ever
34:33
Speaker 2: pass it you go because that's the right thing to
34:35
Speaker 2: do right yes that's like it is bizarre to say
34:39
Speaker 2: this for somebody who is as physically gifted as he
34:41
Speaker 2: is and i mean Out of bounds, off the charts,
34:45
Speaker 2: not built like anyone else, literally built different. Dude, he's
34:50
Speaker 2: a cerebral player. He's an intellectual player when it comes
34:54
Speaker 2: to how he sees basketball. And that's crazy to me.
34:57
Speaker 2: By the way, I just want to say this as
34:59
Speaker 2: a point of enthusiasm, not necessarily of insight. There's like
35:02
Speaker 2: five different LeBrons, right? Like if you're selecting them, there's
35:05
Speaker 2: like five different ones. Big Braun is the coolest basketball
35:08
Speaker 2: player ever. Big Braun, like Mecca Braun, like the one
35:11
Speaker 2: in Miami.
35:11
Speaker 1: Miami Braun, right?
35:14
Speaker 2: I'm talking like stone crab and shrimp appetizers Braun. I'm
35:18
Speaker 2: talking Braun, big pancakes Braun. Like Braun when he's almost
35:23
Speaker 2: got a little bit of body fat on him, almost.
35:25
Speaker 2: I think this is like the same era where Tristan
35:28
Speaker 2: Thompson was talking about where he's like, where they were saying,
35:30
Speaker 2: oh yeah, Braun spends like, two million dollars a year
35:32
Speaker 2: on his body and he sleeps in a hyperbaric chamber
35:35
Speaker 2: then they asked tristan thompson about it and he's like
35:36
Speaker 2: man his diet sucks he's like a stack of pancakes
35:40
Speaker 2: is like a bunch of candy and then he comes
35:42
Speaker 2: out and he dunks on you he sucks he's different
35:45
Speaker 2: love that.
35:46
Speaker 1: Braun miami miami braun the whole era of miami braun
35:52
Speaker 1: man that was four incredible years it was the easiest
35:57
Speaker 1: four years of producing sports content ever because you knew
36:01
Speaker 1: topic one was the heat game like no not even
36:07
Speaker 1: Jordan commanded the attention of America in the way that
36:12
Speaker 1: those heat teams did for that sustained four year period
36:17
Speaker 1: it was wild to look back on and he was
36:22
Speaker 1: so good right so good I do not think that
36:28
Speaker 1: even at his best, I can't say that I think
36:30
Speaker 1: his best was better than Jordan's best, but there was
36:32
Speaker 1: no way that you were watching him play and you
36:35
Speaker 1: could think that something could have been better than that.
36:37
Speaker 1: Like the people who have LeBron in that place in
36:39
Speaker 1: their world, if you watched in Miami, I get why
36:41
Speaker 1: you would feel that way, right? Like it's like when
36:44
Speaker 1: you mess around in here, they're like 10 different rappers
36:46
Speaker 1: that if you hear them, you're like, yo, nobody's better
36:48
Speaker 1: than this. Definitely. somebody has to be but you're like
36:51
Speaker 1: no nobody's better than this that's braun really for the
36:53
Speaker 1: first three years the fourth year not as much but
36:55
Speaker 1: when he was the best offensive and defensive player in
36:57
Speaker 1: the nba.
37:00
Speaker 2: Listen game six against uh the warriors game six against
37:03
Speaker 2: the warriors like games five and six really against the
37:07
Speaker 2: warriors when they do come back and they are you
37:10
Speaker 2: know and they do win the title in cleveland first
37:12
Speaker 2: of all we he won in cleveland i don't know
37:17
Speaker 2: this is again when i hit the point of like
37:19
Speaker 2: we can't continue this conversation any further. You want a
37:22
Speaker 2: title for a professional franchise in Cleveland, specifically the Cavaliers.
37:27
Speaker 2: And you did it. I don't want to say single-handedly,
37:30
Speaker 2: but it's not happening without you. Like that's 100, like
37:33
Speaker 2: that's 100% certain you're not getting close without you. When
37:37
Speaker 2: he does that, it's like listening to Kendrick on control.
37:40
Speaker 2: It's like, it's like watching, it's like watching Federer when
37:44
Speaker 2: he was in like the ninth set of a tiebreaker
37:47
Speaker 2: at Wimbledon, where, he manages to jump into the queen's
37:50
Speaker 2: lap and still put the ball over the net and
37:52
Speaker 2: then recover like it was at that point you're watching
37:56
Speaker 2: somebody do something at the highest level of expression right
37:59
Speaker 2: and then he does the block like before that right.
38:03
Speaker 1: The block and then the dunk that wasn't like there's
38:06
Speaker 1: a there's legendary in chapel hill the tip dunk that
38:08
Speaker 1: wasn't this crazy tip dunk that vince carter almost hit
38:11
Speaker 1: against duke i want to say in the 98 season
38:14
Speaker 1: where it's just like It was so cold that it's
38:16
Speaker 1: remembered even though it was missed, right?
38:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.
38:19
Speaker 1: That dunk where I don't see how he didn't break
38:21
Speaker 1: his arm when he landed on his hand coming down
38:23
Speaker 1: on the ground and played through the rest of it.
38:25
Speaker 1: But if he makes that dunk the ultimate exclamation point
38:28
Speaker 1: on what they did to the Warriors, that would have
38:30
Speaker 1: been to me. The best in-game dunk of all time
38:33
Speaker 1: worldwide is Vince Carter jumping over that dude in the
38:36
Speaker 1: Olympics in Sydney in 2000. But the best NBA in-game
38:40
Speaker 1: dunk of all time, if LeBron had made that, would
38:42
Speaker 1: have been that one.
38:43
Speaker 2: It would have been that one. And even then, he
38:46
Speaker 2: didn't need it. Like, that's the amazing part. Like, one
38:51
Speaker 2: of the best feelings in sports, and this is what
38:52
Speaker 2: you get with a lot of these guys, is this,
38:55
Speaker 2: that when you're watching them, you go, that person's not
38:58
Speaker 2: letting it happen. You could lose, but that person single-handedly
39:02
Speaker 2: is not letting it happen, right? Again, our critiques of
39:06
Speaker 2: LeBron are all compliments, right? He was maybe too intellectual
39:11
Speaker 2: in the sense that He actually involved his teammates because
39:14
Speaker 2: that was what you're supposed to do according to the game.
39:17
Speaker 2: And also, if you're doing that Jordan versus LeBron thing,
39:20
Speaker 2: you go, well, Jordan had a greater drive to win.
39:23
Speaker 2: You go, well, yeah, uh he wasn't psychopathic about it
39:27
Speaker 2: like this you know like all of the things where
39:29
Speaker 2: you go hey maybe that thing michael jordan did was
39:32
Speaker 2: kind of crazy that's crazy person stuff you know because
39:36
Speaker 2: well i won you go i'm not arguing that i'm
39:39
Speaker 2: also saying the thing you did was demonstrably insane.
39:42
Speaker 1: Yeah and it was i mean it was years the
39:46
Speaker 1: I didn't really quite recognize just how, I mean, even
39:50
Speaker 1: while being part of it at the time and knowing
39:52
Speaker 1: like it was super dope and fun. But when LeBron
39:54
Speaker 1: left Miami and went back to Cleveland, which meant that
39:57
Speaker 1: they were running all the first run of Cleveland Clips again,
40:00
Speaker 1: you were like, oh, that was smaller. Like Big Bron,
40:02
Speaker 1: there was a certain value. But young at its springiest LeBron, right?
40:07
Speaker 1: Like a little bit less Bo Jackson, a little closer
40:10
Speaker 1: to Randy Moss. Yeah. Yeah.
40:14
Speaker 2: It just a deranged level of talent that like, if
40:18
Speaker 2: you want to know how spoiled you are, it's that
40:21
Speaker 2: this guy has been around this long, has been this
40:24
Speaker 2: good and has been this many different types of players
40:27
Speaker 2: at this many different franchises, right? Like Michael Jordan was
40:31
Speaker 2: one kind of player. LeBron has now been like three
40:33
Speaker 2: or four different kinds of players across the board. And
40:36
Speaker 2: he's been successful at all of them. This is hard mode.
40:40
Speaker 2: Like he played the game on super hard mode in one.
40:44
Speaker 1: Yeah now for the guy that made us be amazed
40:47
Speaker 1: by something that regular people never thought could be amazing
40:51
Speaker 1: el drico himself tiger woods.
40:56
Speaker 2: Yeah tiger like do.
40:57
Speaker 1: You remember the remember where you were for the 97
41:00
Speaker 1: masters because i.
41:01
Speaker 2: Do glued to the tv is where i was because
41:06
Speaker 2: you know if you grew up um i don't know
41:08
Speaker 2: you're Your dad was probably not a regular Masters watcher.
41:11
Speaker 1: I'm guessing. No, sir. No, sir. The Socialist was not
41:17
Speaker 1: so big in the Augusta National. No, sir.
41:22
Speaker 2: You're trying to give the liberation theory guy, you're telling him,
41:26
Speaker 2: what's the name of the tournament? You go, it's called
41:29
Speaker 2: the Masters.
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Speaker 1: It's out.
41:31
Speaker 2: It's done. I can't sell Mac on that.
41:33
Speaker 1: No chance. Also, the Masters, generally speaking, all of that
41:37
Speaker 1: you can really get into if you play golf. And
41:39
Speaker 1: that's what made the Tiger Woods thing so wild was
41:42
Speaker 1: I never played golf or been anywhere near it while understanding. Oh,
41:46
Speaker 1: there's a thing happening here.
41:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is astonishing to consider because I grew up
41:53
Speaker 2: watching the Masters with my dad because that's, you know,
41:56
Speaker 2: that's the person who like, hey, we're going to watch
41:59
Speaker 2: the Masters. OK, we're going to watch the Masters. And
42:01
Speaker 2: I've watched guys tear up that course before, but more
42:03
Speaker 2: often than not, you watch people be torn up by
42:05
Speaker 2: it for various reasons, whether it's the way the course
42:08
Speaker 2: is built, whether the pressure on the final round gets
42:10
Speaker 2: to you. And I've never seen anybody treat that like
42:16
Speaker 2: a putt-putt course. That's what we're talking about here. We're
42:21
Speaker 2: talking about somebody who treated it like there were windmills
42:25
Speaker 2: on the greens. Somebody who couldn't like The astonishing thing
42:32
Speaker 2: is this, that he treated it like somebody who was
42:37
Speaker 2: playing a sport that they had to build new courses for,
42:40
Speaker 2: which is literally what happened. You had to change the
42:43
Speaker 2: actual arena to suit his weaknesses, if any. That's what
42:50
Speaker 2: I saw the first time I played Tiger. You go,
42:53
Speaker 2: oh yeah, they're going to have to change everything because
42:56
Speaker 2: of the way this guy does things.
42:57
Speaker 1: He took a queen and treated her like a floozy.
43:01
Speaker 1: That's not how you're supposed to treat a woman of
43:05
Speaker 1: that stature. That's not what you're supposed to do. And
43:08
Speaker 1: he's like, they all the same to me. They all
43:10
Speaker 1: the same. They all the same when you pimp it.
43:13
Speaker 2: Maybe an especially interesting observation given what happened to Tiger
43:17
Speaker 2: Woods later in his career.
43:18
Speaker 1: That is fair. That is fair. But hold on. But
43:20
Speaker 1: think about this. And you made the point. And I
43:23
Speaker 1: think we can forget now it's been so long that
43:25
Speaker 1: there are people who don't understand the concept of tiger
43:28
Speaker 1: proofing the course at the Masters. Now, is there a
43:32
Speaker 1: tinge of, you know, shutting down the black man? Hell yeah. Yes,
43:37
Speaker 1: it is there. But Tiger Woods so thoroughly dominated their
43:40
Speaker 1: course that they were like, we have to make sure
43:42
Speaker 1: that never happens again. Now I would understand all that
43:44
Speaker 1: changing of the course if everybody was doing it, but
43:47
Speaker 1: he won that by like 10 strokes or something like that.
43:50
Speaker 1: They changed that course as much as they could to
43:52
Speaker 1: stop one man. And what is underrated about that was
43:55
Speaker 1: he still wanted three more times to before the last
43:58
Speaker 1: win a couple of years ago. But even with them
44:01
Speaker 1: specifically engineering this course, so much so that no left-hander
44:05
Speaker 1: had ever won the damn thing until they started tweaking
44:08
Speaker 1: the course and then left-handers started winning it all the
44:11
Speaker 1: time because that's how far they were going to try
44:14
Speaker 1: to shut down Tiger Woods because he so thoroughly wrecked
44:18
Speaker 1: their course and then went around and did it to
44:21
Speaker 1: everybody else's course too. The oldest course, the most venerable
44:25
Speaker 1: course in golf, St. Andrews, Tiger Woods. owns it I
44:28
Speaker 1: don't remember was it Pebble Beach in 2000 where he
44:32
Speaker 1: was like 15 under and nobody else was under par.
44:35
Speaker 2: Yeah and you have to understand golf is a sport
44:39
Speaker 2: where people don't really post batting averages in terms of
44:43
Speaker 2: win percentage like if you are Ben Hogan Ben Hogan
44:48
Speaker 2: was and is still regarded as one of the best
44:50
Speaker 2: ever and he's legendary and he was considered to be
44:54
Speaker 2: terrifying in terms of his dominance and he'd win 21%, 21%
45:00
Speaker 2: of his tournaments entered tiger, um, tiger for his career.
45:06
Speaker 2: And we're including, you know, like the bad years, right?
45:10
Speaker 2: Like he could get up, I think in 2013, he
45:15
Speaker 2: won 30%, 31% of his tournaments entered. Some people don't
45:21
Speaker 2: touch a major and they're considered great golfers. Some guys
45:24
Speaker 2: earn a million dollars and they don't, place higher than
45:27
Speaker 2: fifth or 10th. Like it's possible to do that in golf.
45:32
Speaker 2: He would just outright dominate. No one does that. No
45:36
Speaker 2: one it's taken this long. Like we do a lot
45:39
Speaker 2: of judging by peers, right? Like we talk about LeBron
45:41
Speaker 2: and you go, okay, I'm going to reach back 20 years. Right.
45:44
Speaker 2: We feel like we get one of these guys or
45:46
Speaker 2: one of these people in every sport once every 10
45:48
Speaker 2: or 20 years. And then you finally have somebody to
45:50
Speaker 2: compare them to. Right. It's finally like, ah, I finally
45:54
Speaker 2: have another mountain. I could like measure this one off of.
45:57
Speaker 2: it's taken 25 years for anybody to get close to
46:03
Speaker 2: that kind of dominance. Right. Yes. Like, like Scotty Scheffler
46:08
Speaker 2: this past year, finally posted a season that was as
46:12
Speaker 2: dominant where if you saw him coming, you were like, Oh,
46:16
Speaker 2: you know, I was thinking about maybe finishing third at
46:18
Speaker 2: the open, but I guess I'm going to be fourth
46:22
Speaker 2: because he's there.
46:23
Speaker 1: Right.
46:23
Speaker 2: Somebody who distorts the landscape. That's, That's what Tiger is. Additionally, too,
46:28
Speaker 2: can I tell you this? You talk about like Bomani
46:32
Speaker 2: Jones trademark beat-em-downs, okay? And how much people can enjoy
46:37
Speaker 2: watching beat-em-downs. They might enjoy watching one. They might enjoy
46:40
Speaker 2: watching two. I lived through this. People would see Tiger
46:44
Speaker 2: up by eight and be like, yeah, let's watch this shit.
46:46
Speaker 1: Gotta tune in now.
46:47
Speaker 2: I gotta watch him thrash, people. It was week in
46:51
Speaker 2: and week out. People did not tire of watching this
46:54
Speaker 2: man redline it, of breaking scoreboards.
46:58
Speaker 1: By the way, that 2000 US Open, I was wrong.
47:00
Speaker 1: He wasn't 15 under. He was 12 under. He won
47:03
Speaker 1: by 15 strokes. Do you understand what we are saying here?
47:12
Speaker 1: Nobody else was at three over. So I should look
47:17
Speaker 1: at what he did for the whole first round, right?
47:20
Speaker 1: Because look, after the first round, I'm looking at it now.
47:23
Speaker 1: He was at six under. Miguel Angel Jimenez was at
47:26
Speaker 1: five under, right? Miguel ended the tournament at four over, okay? Yeah.
47:33
Speaker 1: After round two, Tiger was eight under. Second place was
47:36
Speaker 1: two under. After the third round, Tiger was still eight under,
47:41
Speaker 1: but nobody else was under at all.
47:43
Speaker 2: They kept trying to come up with rivals for him.
47:45
Speaker 1: They tried every single one they could. David Duvall. Oh,
47:50
Speaker 1: Woods Duvall.
47:51
Speaker 2: That's going to be a thing.
47:52
Speaker 1: Nope. Nope.
47:53
Speaker 2: Guess whose career took a nosedive through no real fault
47:58
Speaker 2: of his own. That's right.
48:00
Speaker 1: He's a little too rich to care.
48:02
Speaker 2: Little too rich to care. Tiger Woods. The only thing
48:06
Speaker 2: that stopped Tiger was Tiger. like that's that's ultimate that's
48:09
Speaker 2: totally true like if you go and read one of
48:12
Speaker 2: the best pieces of sports journalism of like the last
48:15
Speaker 2: 25 years is is right thompson's insane deep dive on
48:19
Speaker 2: why tiger finally managed to like level out flatten and
48:23
Speaker 2: began to suffer um the only thing that took tiger
48:26
Speaker 2: out was tiger and his weird obsessions with his dad
48:30
Speaker 2: and military training and women and everything else that was
48:34
Speaker 2: in his head. That's the only thing that took him out. Golf,
48:36
Speaker 2: the one sport that everyone agrees where the opponent is you,
48:41
Speaker 2: it was true for him, right? It was true. Other
48:43
Speaker 2: people might rightfully blame their clubs. Other people might rightfully
48:48
Speaker 2: blame lack of practice time. The only thing that stopped
48:51
Speaker 2: him was him, man.
48:53
Speaker 1: The last futuristic guy I will mention very briefly, as
48:56
Speaker 1: we don't have that much career to talk about yet. However,
49:01
Speaker 1: Victor Wimpanyama. Is perhaps the most futuristic thing I have
49:06
Speaker 1: ever seen. Right. Like just the the very idea, because
49:09
Speaker 1: it's not even so much about. Yes, part of it
49:11
Speaker 1: obviously is clearly like unreal athleticism, except he's a seven
49:14
Speaker 1: foot five guard. Who also does tall people things.
49:19
Speaker 2: Uh does tall people things and really when we talk
49:23
Speaker 2: about tiger the thing that you can carry forward into
49:26
Speaker 2: talking about when menyama is changing the geometries changing the
49:30
Speaker 2: actual measurements of what you're dealing with because what should
49:33
Speaker 2: be a respectable amount of distance for any other player
49:36
Speaker 2: that you're defending is not for him right the shooting
49:40
Speaker 2: range for a man that big is bigger when he's there, right?
49:44
Speaker 2: I think video games help people understand how dominant these
49:46
Speaker 2: are because you go, okay, I can adjust the sliders.
49:49
Speaker 2: I can go in. Look at what you have to
49:50
Speaker 2: do to make a Victor Wembenyama. This is something that
49:53
Speaker 2: if you created him in 2K 10 years ago, people go,
49:57
Speaker 2: I'm not going to play with you. That's cheating. You
49:59
Speaker 2: did something. I'm not going to use him. This is
50:01
Speaker 2: a real human being. And this is where you go, okay,
50:05
Speaker 2: what's the sort of thing that can stop him? And
50:07
Speaker 2: you go, really, the only thing that can stop him
50:09
Speaker 2: is injury. And that's another thing that maybe we haven't
50:13
Speaker 2: mentioned enough through all of these people who we're remembering
50:15
Speaker 2: as being super different and changing the game, right? Is
50:19
Speaker 2: that ultimately, they're all really lucky. I know that they
50:23
Speaker 2: can take a lot of time taking care of their
50:24
Speaker 2: body and preventing injury and things like that. But the
50:28
Speaker 2: other thing that you have to admit, and I guess
50:30
Speaker 2: this is humbling. This is the kind of thing where
50:32
Speaker 2: you go, hey, they're just like us, only in one respect.
50:35
Speaker 2: They're dependent on luck too.
50:37
Speaker 1: Because.
50:38
Speaker 2: lebron yes he's taking great care of his body he's
50:41
Speaker 2: had fantastic injury luck fantastic injury luck for his entire career.
50:44
Speaker 1: Well is it luck or is it a certain thing
50:46
Speaker 1: so did i tell you that uh larry fitzgerald did
50:51
Speaker 1: the uh costa show that was over hbo and i
50:55
Speaker 1: forget who it was it may have been me may
50:56
Speaker 1: have been howard and we were like hey man um
50:59
Speaker 1: how many surgeries have you had he's like none what
51:05
Speaker 1: a football player none none you would be surprised how
51:10
Speaker 1: many of those great players that we talk about going
51:12
Speaker 1: through how many of them have had no surgeries yeah
51:16
Speaker 1: and i do think there's a luck component but also
51:18
Speaker 1: some people just build different.
51:20
Speaker 2: I mean some people those telomeres don't shorten quite as
51:23
Speaker 2: quickly yeah some people the red blood cells just pump
51:27
Speaker 2: a little harder yeah i it luck that's genetic luck
51:31
Speaker 2: and in a lot of cases right which they have
51:33
Speaker 2: obviously but like that's You can take a lot of
51:36
Speaker 2: great careers, and you can take a lot of great careers,
51:39
Speaker 2: and injury will alter the trajectory. That's what I'm not
51:42
Speaker 2: hoping happens with Wembanyama, because if you watch him play,
51:45
Speaker 2: the ceiling does not really exist for what he's capable of.
51:50
Speaker 2: And on top of all that, Victor Wembanyama is a
51:54
Speaker 2: team player. When you go, okay, hey, what's a compliment?
51:59
Speaker 2: You can pay him. You go, I would not be
52:01
Speaker 2: a team player if I had that body. I would
52:03
Speaker 2: be the most selfish player imaginable. There'd be no reason.
52:06
Speaker 1: He a team player. You know who ain't team players?
52:09
Speaker 1: His team. Especially that goddamn Cisco. I be watching so
52:12
Speaker 1: many games. Like, why don't y'all just do like we
52:14
Speaker 1: would in the video game and just keep hitting the
52:16
Speaker 1: alley-oop button over and over and over again, Cisco? What
52:20
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Like, shout out to that dude
52:22
Speaker 1: that wore Ricky of the Year for them. We should
52:23
Speaker 1: have never found out. Y'all should have never been passing
52:25
Speaker 1: that motherfucker the ball, man. Cisco, get a ball to
52:29
Speaker 1: the dude that's taller than the goal.
52:31
Speaker 2: Listen, Jeff Teague talks about that. about being told by
52:34
Speaker 2: Nick Van Exel. He's like, hey, listen, you want to
52:37
Speaker 2: be on this team? You want to make this team?
52:39
Speaker 2: Get the ball to Iso Joe. Get the ball to Joe.
52:42
Speaker 2: Jeff Teague said he got the ball to Joe and
52:45
Speaker 2: Joe's like, yeah, you're going to be all right, kid.
52:47
Speaker 2: You're good. I'm like, you know what? If I'm on
52:50
Speaker 2: that team, you know what I'm doing every time I
52:52
Speaker 2: get the ball? I'm looking up Big W.
52:55
Speaker 1: I'm speaking French.
52:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying bonjour. Savant, sir.
53:00
Speaker 1: Pass the ball. to will okay there's not much for
53:06
Speaker 1: us to talk about here yeah pass the ball to
53:11
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