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Shivom Parihar: A Pro-EU Conservative Voice on the American Right by Gunther Fehlinger · Gunther Fehlinger Podcast

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professional. In our podcast, we had 50 series
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now published, 50 pods were dropping in the last three
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months. And one of the personalities
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which is often commenting on my feet is actually Chief Bariha.
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And I'm very honoured that you are here now with us.
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We are arranged on the Saturday evening to have a debate.
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And I'm very happy that you choose to take time to from
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America to discuss with the voice of the free world with
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Gunter Failing, I hear from Vienna.
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You're very welcome. We want to know everything about
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your Chief and please present yourself and thanks a lot for
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taking time. Thank you so much Gunther,
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although I think this will be more of a discussion than a
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debate, as I feel we agree on most things.
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That's good, that's good. But I.
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Appreciate as. Well, but tell us first where
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you're based and what's your profession, what's your
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background, what's your policy direction, and we will debate,
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discuss and entertain our audience.
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Thank you. My name is Chief Parihar as
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Gunther, so kindly said in his introduction.
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For me, I am primarily A journalist.
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I have written for the National Review, the Washington Free
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Beacon, the American Spectator. One of my favorite places right
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for is also for the more niche foreign policy magazine called
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Providence. And then I did an interview with
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Bill Kristol where he sort of made a surprise endorsement for
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Zoran Mandani, which with I do not agree last fall, which was
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cited in the New York Times, Politico, Newsweek and the New
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Republic, other much more major outlets, which was an honor.
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In addition to that, I do research.
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I mean, I'm sort of a student as well.
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And so I've been working, of course, to organize on behalf of
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the West. I believe very deeply in both as
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a civilization, as a culture, and of course as a set of values
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for liberty which have allowed our nations to prosper more than
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any other the world has ever known.
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I come from a pretty working class background and so I try to
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speak to normal people. I think it's sort of an issue
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that many people who have many good ideas sort of end up
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finding themselves in echo chambers, either in Washington,
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DC, in some very brilliant think tanks that I very much admire,
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or in some very brilliant academic circles that I very
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much admire. But not speaking very much to
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the average person who I think unfortunately, particularly in
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the United States, I think in Europe as well, has lost their
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sense of the greatness of Western civilization.
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And I mean of liberalism in the classical sense of our values,
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the tolerance for others. I mean, of course, also for, you
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know, family rented values, for Christianity, all of these
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things. And so I would say that my goal
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is, of course, to get this flame burning again in the hearts of
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the West, to say that we should be willing to stand up for
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ourselves and to fight for our, for Western values, for
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liberalism, for Western civilization, both defensively
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as in Ukraine and against enemies abroad such as in, I
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mean, Iran or Syria. Very good.
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So we agree on many things. I'm very happy to discuss with
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you chief. That's good.
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Explain us more about yourself. You have some bi ethnical
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background. You have some.
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Where's your roots? If I can ask this in this
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question, that's. Very funny if you had.
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Asked I'm Austrian. Just to explain, I'm Austrian,
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so yes of. Course, I mean, I'm American.
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I think I'm entirely, I'm a culturally American.
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I think very frankly, I should joke I'm, I'm more culturally a
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WASP than people I know, even if I'm not sort of like Anglo-Saxon
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Protestant very culturally. But I mean, my mother is, is
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Indian. So I do have sort of ethnic
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background. I think I'm very much sort of
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pro assimilation when it comes to immigration question.
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I think we have a very big issue with sort of immigration in the
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West where people have not come to the values of the country.
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I don't like Michelle Weller back on many things, but I have
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his book submission here. I think he is sometimes very
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his. His writing is, he's very
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French. I I find the French to be a bit
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more explicit in their morality than I think I care for, but I
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do find it politically. Chief, tell me politically you
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stand closer to the Democrats or to the Republicans.
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I would say I'm closer to the Republicans in a sense, but
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certainly I, I mean, I would say George W Bush was probably the
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best president in modern. America, this is very good.
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Yeah, 10. Points very much so.
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I mean, I actually live with that action of the Republicans
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in Europe. I would say I fit very well as,
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you know, a Christian Democrat in the tradition of Conrad
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Adenauer or Luigi Sturzo, someone like that.
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Very good. And now what do you stand to
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Trump? Because we have some issues with
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Mr. Trump. He wants to take our Greenland.
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Listen for you. I find I find him less than
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ideal. I, I find I think this is his
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election was very predictable. I think the as I said at the
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time, I don't know really if Trump deserves to win.
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I think the Democrats probably deserved to lose after sort of
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the, the cover up of much of Biden's senility after I, I was,
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I was very unhappy with the, but the Democrats policy towards
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Ukraine as much as Trump's insofar as I felt that we had
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them on sort of a starvation diet.
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That is the, the phrase that Gerald Ford in his book, our
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former American president used to describe the approach that
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Congress forced on South Vietnam, which is where we were
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giving just enough aid to Ukraine to stop them from being
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completely conquered by sort of the barbarian invasion from
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Russia. But we were not giving them
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enough aid to win. So we were giving them enough
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aid to always be on the defensive, but not enough to go
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in the offensive to retake their territory in the Donbass, even
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Crimea. And so I, I think consistently
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the Biden administration didn't win at times when it could have.
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I mean, they spent several billion dollars on green energy,
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for instance, and they were not able to build more than, you
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know, a couple dozen, I think at most of these electric car
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chargers with federal funds, which was, I think a great
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failure. And, and so I think that the
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election of Trump is very much a reaction to a legitimate feeling
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of discontent in the American populace.
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But I mean, of course, he's he's taken a Wrecking Ball to many
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things. He's been quite a mess.
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And I, I don't know, I would not say approve of him.
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This NATO situation has been quite a travesty.
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I was disappointed. And even in the last couple days
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in American media, we have not reported on a comment that Trump
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made recently where he said that, you know, NATO soldiers
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did. We're not on the front lines in
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Europe. And even Nigel Farage I saw this
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morning and as you know, Nigel Farage, I disagree with him on
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Brexit. I think the I very much support
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the European Union, but Nigel Farage has been very close to
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Trump, even though, I mean, I'm on the right side.
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I don't mind if there's frauds per SE.
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And I generally I'm going to put him aside from Brexit.
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But he in this specific case, I was surprised to see that he was
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very forceful in denouncing Trump.
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Nigel Farage was even, I don't like Marine Le Pen really at
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all, but she was also very forceful in announcing Trump.
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All of these politicians in Europe who are very much usually
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aligned with Trump have denounced him now, even on
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Greenland, because he's gone so far.
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And it is really a travesty to have him, I think, denounce the
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the soldiers of NATO who died for us.
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I mean, there were 20,000 mothers in Denmark who in the
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last 25 years saw their sons and told them goodbye because they
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were going to go to Afghanistan, because an attack was made in
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Western civilization in New York City, which I was just in last
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week. You're always great.
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In Europe, we love you and we want to stay united, but
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unfortunately, Schiff, you're a little bit the minority in
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America now because you're pro European, even pro EU.
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Are you somehow very lonely in Washington, DC these days?
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Yes, certainly, especially on the American right.
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And I think people in American right don't understand Europe,
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unfortunately, in many ways, I, I, I'm a great admirer, as I've
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said, of the European Christian democratic tradition of Abraham
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Kuiper, Connor Adenauer. And I think people don't
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understand that in the post war era, the European Union was a
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Christian democratic project. It was not the project of the
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socialist parties. They, you know, are more
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provincial, more anti capitalist.
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Absolutely. Thank you very much.
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You must be running for Congress, I think, Chief.
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Well, not any time soon. Certainly I, it's not my
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interest for president, but I have, I've really tried to rally
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people in support of the, of NATO, of the European Union.
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I will say I think I love the Europeans.
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You have a more bureaucratic sort of approach to things.
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And the Americans are more, more, you know, we're sort of
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Cowboys. We go and we do things.
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We see the frontier. Because I've tried to reach out
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to sort of the Youth Atlantic Treaty Association in Europe and
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in Denmark and in Brussels. And I've said we need a branch
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of this organization to rally younger people in America who do
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not have, unfortunately, quite. As much president of that
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branch. I would love to, yes.
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Yes, young people in America don't have the post war
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consciousness unfortunately. They just don't remember the
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fact that communism and fascism are such fundamental threats to
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the Western way of life or values, to the Christianity, to
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all of these things. Unfortunately, they sort of said
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they have to get all the approvals from all the
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bureaucracies and whatnot and I would like to just go.
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To JD Vance, JD Vance is somehow he, I think he in his redneck
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time, he missed high school too much and he didn't learn about
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history. And now he's unfortunately the
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vice president and close to be the next president, and he
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seemingly hates us in Europe. It's important.
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I would actually one thing I would correct you, though, it's
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actually the people that did events who went to Yale Law
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School that are much of the problem.
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It's not the He should, he should.
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Know the history, probably in the.
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The average American who is, you know, not a educated history, I
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think does sympathize with Europe.
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I think some of the problem is we have a political class.
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It's the people educated at Yale and Harvard, I think that are
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increasingly becoming a kind of crazy in their politics.
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Whereas there's the average hard working normal American, the
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person that, you know, you might call it redneck or whatever.
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And I think that's not a bad thing at all.
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Is actually they, they feel Russian civilization more than
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many people in the, in the elite.
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Because for all the things JD Vance denounces, he is all those
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things in many ways, unfortunately.
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And I was very disappointed to see the way JD Vance's career
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has gone. I, you know, a year ago I was,
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you know, I disagreed. I think he was too isolationist.
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But he's, you know, he's Catholic.
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He's, he's good and he has a good family and all these
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things. And I was hopeful, but his
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confrontation with Zelensky was sort of an embarrassment, I
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think very much for us. And.
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It seems really bad. I mean, there's Zelensky.
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You can like him or not, but he is the president of a country
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which is attacked from a genocidal maniac.
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And there are a lot of heroes in Ukraine.
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And you should show respect as a patriot, as a conservative.
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Yeah, he show respect to heroes who are fighting for the nation.
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And JD wins was insulting him. We won't forget that for JD
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Wins, yes. Absolutely.
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And I think that he really misunderstands the conflict in
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Ukraine, right. I mean, Ukraine is, you know, I
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have Samuel Huntington's book The Clash of Civilizations right
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here. It's the.
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Borderline and the buys. I didn't like him anymore.
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Oh, you didn't talk Well, but he gets many things right.
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I mean, in some ways, you know, 1 is that Ukraine is the
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borderline of civilizations between the West and if for the
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Russian world, I mean, historically it was, you know,
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under Austria more, more Catholic.
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And then that's, you know, some of the the persons as well we
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accept. That we have not forgotten 50%
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of Ukraine was Austrian and Putin was even talking about it
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in his infamous very bad interview with Tucker Carlson.
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Putin was accusing the Austrians for messing up the Ukraine.
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I think you govern very well, yes, you Austrians I have much
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respect for, for Austria, for the absters.
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I was just thinking about that this morning.
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You are very welcome to visit Vienna.
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I give you a guided tour through the Habsburg heritage of the
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city chief here. You're always very well covered
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that. But we are now Republic and we
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are unfortunately neutral because the Soviet Union
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insisted us to stay neutral in order to leave the troops in 55.
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And that's something very negative in this country.
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And I think you follow me on Twitter, you'll find out that
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I'm very anti neutrality. It's an as we know, neutrality
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in Austria has not worked. I mean, go back to the 1930s.
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You know, Britain and France at that time where were not
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cognizant of the threat that Hitler represented.
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And they insisted that, you know, von Schmushnig and
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Engelberg Dolfus who wanted to be very anti Nazi.
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They insisted that they be more neutral.
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And what did that give us? It gave us the Angelus would
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give us the, the, you know, great civilizational tragedy
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that was the Second World War. And so I think historically,
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when Austria has been allowed to pursue its own foreign policy,
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it's done the right thing. I mean, of course, the Speaking
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of civilizations, Vienna. That we know that we have really
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done the right thing since 55, but nevertheless we joined the
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European Union at least, yeah. I mean, that's actually 55, yes.
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If The thing is, I may have created the NGO in Austria, it's
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called the NATO Enlargement Committee, Austrian Committee
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for NATO Enlargement, for Ukraine, for Kosovo, for Bosnia,
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all the countries the Americans have liberated.
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Thankfully, I always say thank you very much for liberating
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Austria from the Nazis. Thank you very much for
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liberating Kosovo from Milosevic.
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And hopefully in the future, I will say thank you very much for
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liberating Ukraine from and the Putin evil empire.
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And that will be something I will say very loud.
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But in this committee, I need an American partner who is very
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interested. And here's your chance, chief,
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on live television. I ask you, do you want to join
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this organization and do you want to fight for NATO
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enlargement together with me? Yes, I do Gunther, you have my
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support. OK, thanks a lot.
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We will discuss. Yeah, because this now
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operational support, we can really do.
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The Youth Atlantic Council is a bit slow, but the NATO
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Enlargement Committee of Vienna is very active here in all
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social medias and we are growing.
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We are active actually on all fronts.
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And for us it's very important to have a friend in America.
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And if you want to be our friendship, you are welcome.
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Because I wouldn't, I would like to keep.
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Organizing this way that shock ship.
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Is still. Thinking what exactly is coming
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this way now we are peaceful people, don't be afraid.
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But we can really work together to change American public
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opinion because we in Europe, we need you.
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And by the way, you need us as well.
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Because if you go militarily now against Iran and you kick the
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ass of the IR dollars and there will be the question where will
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the European public stand on that one?
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And I want to be very, very active since weeks, I'm already
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on that one that we stand with America when you move militarily
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against the IR dollars, We must mobilize the European public
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opinion in favour of regime change.
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And that's what we are trying to do.
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Yes, I think it's absolutely my, you know, actually last summer I
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was working as a journalist and that was when the war broke out
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and between Iran and Israel. And I know some contacts on the
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ground in the Iranian opposition.
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And I know people here who work for Reza Pahlavi.
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And so I'm very, very in support of the return of the Shah to
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Iran. But it's actually been quite
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saddening for me lately because as I said, as a journalist, I
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had contacts on the ground in the Iranian opposition who were
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in the streets protesting and they lost all contact with them.
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And I haven't been able to get in contact with them since.
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For all I know, my, my friends in Iran could be, you know,
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murdered now. And it was really such a
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travesty. I, you know, I hope something is
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done by the administration. But the fact that the president
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tweeted or true socialed help is on the way and then, you know,
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however many thousands of people were killed in the street is,
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you know, anything really quite a problem. 40,000 people are
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dead in the. Yes, I've heard, I've heard, you
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know, I've heard twelve, I've heard 40 / 80.
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I've heard all, really all numbers.
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But Chief, you have two aircraft carriers now up in the line and
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there's this major effort, I think it's one in the Red Sea
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and 1 is in the in the Arabian Sea or in the close to Rana.
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So they're in striking distance. And actually many of the people
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I know, and they are very much optimistic that the strike will
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come now and that liberation will be starting.
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And the people of Iran are waiting for the signal because
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they are ready to rise from the Kurds to the Baluch, to the
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Aziris and the Persians themselves and the middle class
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of Tehran, they're all waiting for the first Tomahawks to enter
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the airspace. So what is your guess?
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Will it come or will it? Won't it come?
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Nobody knows exactly. Well, I'll confess you, Gunther.
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I'm inclined to be a pessimist because I would rather be.
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I would rather be pleasantly surprised than be let down.
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So right now I'm fearful that it won't come, but I'm hopeful that
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it might. I think certainly it seems by
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all on the occasion that our assets are getting put into
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place. I think unfortunately, the
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leadership, both Netanyahu and Tel Aviv, but also the United
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Arab Emirates, Mohammed bin Salman and Saudi Arabia seem to
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all agree that they don't want a strike to happen because they
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sort of like the situation as it is, unfortunately.
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But I think the United States should stand for the West, not
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for what you're necessarily Bibi Netanyahu or Mohammed bin Salman
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wants, and for the freedom of the people of Iran.
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And I think that means, I mean, of course, that means some sort
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of air, air, naval capability. I think ideally, you know, we
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forget off in America that the original foundation of our Green
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Berets, our Special forces, was meant to go to countries like
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Iran and other authoritarian regimes and to connect with the
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opposition on the ground and to arm them and to train them so
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they could more efficiently resist tyranny.
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And so that would be, I think, a very proper role for our special
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forces to do. Of course, perhaps as we did
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with Nicolas Maduro, who oppressed Venezuela for so long,
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we will go and give perhaps a a surprise travel opportunity to
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Ayatollah Khomeini, and maybe he'll end up in Rikers Island in
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New York. You like the operation of Maduro
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capture? Yes, I, I think it was, I, I, I
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think it's unfortunate that we didn't fully change the regime
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and, you know, kick out all of the communists.
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But of course it was good that we got him out.
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Particularly important I think here is that the regime in Cuba,
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Miguel Diaz Canal, the, the Communist Party there was kept
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in power because of the oil and the money coming from Venezuela.
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And now that we have cut off that lifeline to Cuba, it is
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more likely that the communists will be defeated in Cuba and
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that, you know, we may fully defeat them in Venezuela.
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I've been very happy with Marco Rubio so far.
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I think there are things that he has not been able to stop that I
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think some of the the other voices in this administration,
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they don't like as much Mr. Bainbridge Colby, for instance,
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have tried to do. But Marco Rubio has been very
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consistently a voice for sanity and and a voice for liberty and
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if the people of Iran. It will be the candidate for the
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GOP Republican candidate in 2028.
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As I told you, Gunther, I'm a pessimist.
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I don't think so. And here's why I don't think so.
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There's a think tank which I quite like called American
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Compass and JD Vance. They're mostly domestic policy
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focus, but JD Vance is an associate and Marco Rubio is an
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associate because of course they agree on domestic issues for the
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most part. And I think through that and
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other things, they have a good relationship.
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And because Vance's vice president, my inclination that
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he would run and Rubio would not be inclined to challenge him.
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And I will say it's going to be a very difficult few terms for
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American presidents. If China invades Taiwan, it will
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happen in the next 10 years. They are having a demographic
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collapse and they can't do it when, you know, their economy is
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collapsing. This they just don't have
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children. And of course, our Social
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Security system, which George W Bush, to his credit, was the
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only president who has really tried to reform.
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But unfortunately it was blocked, you know, by the
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Democrats and what not. It was projected to go
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insolvent. And so I think there will be a
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great, you know, economic issue in the United States in about 10
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years. And so I, you know, we will need
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strong leadership to deal with both of those questions.
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And of course, with birth rates as a whole.
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I'm sure you're seeing this in Europe.
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It is unfortunate in the West, I think perhaps because we have
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lost much of our public religious culture above the
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Catholic and Protestants and what not, or even, you know,
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Jewish and the other religious groups we've had unfortunately
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have become so secularized that people don't have kids anymore.
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And there are many, many reasons for this, but I think it's
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imperative that we've been sure we, you know, we have this as a
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society get back to having children.
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And I think we would have more children if our people believed
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in society. They believed the West was
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amazing. And so we want to bring people
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into the West to keep building the West.
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JD Vance is expecting his fourth child.
21:28
I was reading and congratulating him, yes.
21:32
Yes. I'm also expecting a baby in
21:36
April. Lucky me and Chief.
21:40
Have you already children? I mean, I'm a few years down.
21:44
That would be a few years down the road for me.
21:46
But you know, I'd hope to I. Think in our in our ideological
21:50
movement, we are calling making babies one of our things which
21:54
we have a slogan here. And if you follow my fire rice
21:57
activities, I declared it in the live sessions.
22:00
Making babies is the obligation of all good patriots.
22:04
So, Chief, yes, yes. Before too long.
22:11
On a more serious basis, shift, you know, I was 2 days ago in
22:14
national TV here in Austria and I have said that America is a
22:18
country superpower with clear strategic interests and is
22:23
absolutely able to pursue a global strategic agenda of
22:28
victory. And then many people have
22:31
criticized me. They have called Trump is a
22:34
fool, he doesn't know what to do.
22:35
And I said no, Trump is the representative of the American
22:39
superpower. And America has now regime
22:42
changed. Maduro is going to militarize
22:46
Greenland in order to protect America is going to regime
22:50
change Iran, our enemy, and then ultimately will help us to
22:54
liberate Crimea and Ukraine and Russia will be defeated.
22:59
The axis of evil, which Russia built in the last 15 years of
23:02
American weakness will be dismantled and defeated, and
23:06
China will be contained. And if it's aggressive, it will
23:09
be defeated as well, because that's the strategic interest of
23:13
the American superpower. And then everybody started a
23:16
little bit to say, Gunther, are you delusional?
23:19
Trump is a fool and he's senile. And so where do you stand on
23:24
this debate? Is America the big superpower
23:27
and Trump just confused but still the representative of the
23:31
one big superpower of the world? Or are we going to lose and the
23:35
Russian Chinese world order will prevail?
23:40
Well, I think it will really depend on the spirit of our
23:43
people. I think.
23:44
I think it will really matter if we want to win, right?
23:46
Because I my great fear, I think militarily we can win.
23:49
We can be the superpower. We can continue this great, you
23:52
know, Western LED world order. We've out for so many hundreds
23:54
of years now. I think what is unfortunate is
23:57
that I fear that if China tried to, you know, conquer the
24:01
Taiwanese and subjugate them, I fear that we would have within
24:05
24 hours Tucker Carlson talking about how Xi Jinping is, you
24:09
know, the second coming or something.
24:10
And it is really just such a, you know, a travesty.
24:12
And we need to be what we need to have people who are more
24:16
commutative than, you know, national media and other places
24:19
in politics to say that the West is worth fighting for, that
24:22
American values, that the post war order, it is all we're
24:26
fighting for. And so and I, I think it's been
24:29
quite a travesty 2020 years ago, this third world, this ideology,
24:33
this idea that the West is bad, that, you know, Christianity is
24:36
bad, that the EU is bad, that America's bad.
24:39
It was very common on the American left in the people that
24:41
hated George Bush. Of course I love George Bush,
24:44
but now? Yeah, that's really bad.
24:53
You know what is exactly wrong with Tucker carts?
24:56
And I mean, he seems to be completely in the Putin world.
25:02
Yes, I, you know, I, I think I'm not entirely sure you can go
25:06
back. You see his text messages from
25:08
when he was, you know, in college.
25:10
And there's some very funny things.
25:11
There is his father tells him that he doesn't think he can get
25:14
any other job and so he must go into journalism.
25:18
And, you know, Tucker Carlson, you know, I, I, I will say one
25:23
thing about Doug Carlson. I, I think Tucker Carlson is
25:26
particularly reprehensible and, and you know, I, I don't mean to
25:29
be too impolite. I try to think politeness is
25:32
important, but I think he is quite bad in particularly
25:34
because. So let me ask you as well,
25:46
Chief, Chief, about this kind of Florida festival of this
25:54
influencers, because what we have seen next to Tucker Carson
25:58
is that this Fuentes and other influencers, they had some
26:02
festival in Florida. This was like a gigantic
26:05
gangbang of whatever kind of influencers they are and they
26:09
had celebrated their friendship. This is some people who are
26:14
basically under suspicion of being women's traffickers like
26:20
the Tate family. They are insulting Romania, a
26:24
strong NATO ally and Fuentes is clearly anti-Semitic and quite
26:29
outrageous so and they have celebrated themselves.
26:32
They're like they would be the new superstar and it was
26:36
supposedly they are conservative.
26:38
So they are they are. What exactly are this group of
26:42
super influencers who seemingly poisoned the mind of the young
26:47
people on the American right and spreads his confused ideas?
26:51
What is your read on that? I think it is vile, but I think
26:56
it is the predictable result of the civilization decline we've
26:59
had, that we have these bad people come up.
27:01
I mean, think about it for a few.
27:02
I think a Catholic, I'm a Protestant, but Christianity has
27:05
so long been the pillar of the West.
27:06
Immorality, you know, that is the, you know, the Beethoven
27:11
song, the motto, the song, the EU has, you know, also the
27:14
English lyrics, you know, you know, teachers, how to love each
27:17
other, all of these things. I mean, that is really the
27:18
growth of the West. And once you take that away, you
27:21
have people going to these other things that do not promote
27:23
universal love or universal brotherhood or any of these
27:26
ideologies. And so you have people like like
27:29
Fuentes, of course, he wears the aesthetic, he sort of wears
27:32
Christianity like a skin suit, you know, but he isn't, he
27:36
doesn't actually, you know, have any of those values.
27:39
And you can see that because, you know, Andrew Tate, I mean,
27:40
he hates Christianity, he hates the West.
27:43
He is a he's a Muslim. No, not anything.
27:45
There are there are good Muslims.
27:46
I like Albania, I like, you know, Kosovo and other people.
27:49
I think there are good people who are Muslim, but I'm.
27:51
One of them really very sympathetic.
27:53
I like you, Yes, you're a good guy.
27:55
Thank you, thank you. But but, and of course I
27:58
entertain just anti Christianity.
28:00
He left. He left because he thought it
28:01
was a weak religion. There's the same calculus, of
28:03
course the Nazis had they were all pagans.
28:05
They, they thought that, you know, the Christian faith would
28:08
be destroyed. Hitler wrote that he thought it
28:11
was a great tragedy that was Charles Martel had defeated the
28:16
caliphate in France. Hitler thought that it would
28:18
have been great if the Muslims had taken over.
28:20
And now Europe could be, you know, whites and Muslim.
28:23
And so they, they don't have to worry about loving other people
28:25
like Christianity does. So I think we, we've taken away
28:27
that core you get all you get even this this very tragedy.
28:30
We've seen more political violence in America.
28:33
You saw that the murder of Charlie Kirk and all the other
28:36
people that were turning that on.
28:37
Of course, people, people murder others and whatnot.
28:39
When you take away the core of universal love in in politics.
28:41
And so that was is what's happened.
28:44
And I think, you know, I think he had many things wrong.
28:47
But that old sort of German guy, Oswald Spengler, one thing he
28:51
was right about is that the West, you know, if I think he
28:54
was wrong, that it was inevitable, but I think he was
28:56
right that the West would would decline in these sort of
28:57
spiritual ways. And that as a result of this
29:02
decline, you would have people who would come up and there
29:04
would be like Caesar and, you know, they would say, let's get
29:06
rid of all the values that made us great.
29:08
And let's just be a, you know, authoritarian and let's do all
29:11
of these authoritarian things. And so I think that was very
29:15
prescient. We have to be able to confront
29:18
these ideologies head on. We have to be willing to, you
29:21
know, sort of look all these unfortunate people that are
29:23
supporting the cuentas in the eye and say that they are
29:26
actually not standing for the West and we have to reinvigorate
29:29
a love for the values that have. I agree, Chief, I agree.
29:40
I have one question, you know, because I follow now Nicholas
29:45
Fuentes as well and he has no less.
29:48
I show his profile here, 1,000,000, 200,000 followers.
29:53
Yeah. Nicholas Fuentes.
29:55
Yeah. And then he is completely
29:58
confused. What he post is completely
30:00
outraged and, you know, completely nonsensical.
30:03
His nightclub life and all his political positions, You cannot
30:07
call that conservative. There's nothing conservative.
30:10
There's nothing reasonable in that.
30:13
There's nothing you can learn from him.
30:16
And then I do. And he has 1.2 million follower.
30:21
And I have your account here. You are conservative, you are a
30:25
very smart man. You have written many articles.
30:28
You are journalists and you have 185 followers.
30:31
Yeah, so I'm not talking about 1.8 million, but 185.
30:36
And I call all everybody follow Chief.
30:39
Yeah. Because what we need really is
30:41
that the reasonable people of the conservative leaders, fault
30:45
leaders who are thinking about the issues, writing things and
30:48
developing something, you can learn they are fault leaders.
30:52
But what is Fuentes? I really cannot understand what
30:56
kind of reason should anybody have to follow him on Twitter.
31:01
Yes, it is really quite confusing and I I think that if
31:03
he actually believed he would stood before he would talk
31:05
about, you know, if he said he loved the West or even, you
31:08
know, say even the racial stuff, you know, if he said he liked
31:11
white or whatever, then why are you standing, you know, not
31:14
talking all the time about Ukraine, for instance, or about,
31:17
you know, all these other issues.
31:19
We say this, I think hypocrisy as well.
31:21
You've seen of course, some of the controversies in America,
31:25
you know, domestically with sort of migration.
31:28
But I've seen, I've been sort of surprised.
31:30
There was, I think a very great problem with sort of, you know,
31:34
fraud that was found in Minnesota.
31:36
But the the administration, when it went in, what they have done
31:39
is they have ended the investigation into the fraud.
31:43
They have sort of investigated other people and political
31:45
things. But the actual fraud
31:47
investigation that was sort of coming out of, you know, Somali
31:52
community primarily has been sort of organized within them.
31:57
And I think that was a group that was very unsympathetic to
31:59
America. The fraud investigation has just
32:02
been turned away from entirely. And so that has been, you know,
32:05
really disappointing. And I think it is again, I will
32:07
go back to, you know, which Springer wrote with Huntington.
32:10
I have Francis Fukuyama's book, the end of history there.
32:13
You know, there are many who have looked here at about the,
32:15
you know, the arc of the West. Hegel, the great German
32:18
philosopher, you know, talks about, you know, the history
32:21
moves from East to West and you know, where sort of the
32:24
culmination of civilization history.
32:25
And if you really believe all of that, you have to be willing to
32:27
fight for the values. You can't just say, you know,
32:29
let's abandoned, you know, all of these values and let's turn
32:32
to civilization. You know, it's just sort of try
32:35
to pretend to be the old civilization where that
32:37
actually, you know, having a morality, for instance, like
32:39
look at the people Nick Fuentes took to that that nightclub in
32:42
Florida. I mean, these were not like
32:45
morally upstanding, you know, Christian conservative people.
32:48
They were all like, you know, they were drug users.
32:51
They were the, the human trafficking this, you know,
32:53
evil, vile thing. I mean, himself talks about, he
32:57
talks about rape. I mean, he talks about all of
32:59
these really horrible, horrible things.
33:01
And it's, I can't imagine that this is considered at all
33:06
conservative by anyone. We had such a betrayal, of
33:09
course, of Christianity and of the West.
33:11
It was, you know, made us great. Exactly.
33:15
I see it absolutely the same like you.
33:17
And it's also one of the reasons why I started my social media
33:20
activity, because I have to somehow also be active in the
33:24
public domain. Because if the fools are getting
33:27
such a influence on the minds of our young people, that's very
33:31
disturbing for me. And this must be counter faults.
33:35
There must be the counter attack.
33:37
So let me ask you about the whole issue of migration in
33:41
America, because recently this kind of ICE, which we in Austria
33:46
and in Europe see more as a Gestapo kind of disaster force,
33:50
they have killed this young woman, whatever mother of
33:54
children, who was trying to escape and run away, which was
33:58
incorrect. She shouldn't have done that.
34:00
But the shooter was in our views in Europe.
34:03
I think there's nobody understands that.
34:05
And then Trump and JD were coming out before any kind of
34:08
investigation to defend her. Is this not so?
34:11
You know, that's really very shocking events in my view.
34:15
And what do you think about the whole topic that the land of the
34:18
free, this Great American nation, this melting pot of
34:21
people is now having this kind of racist kind of policies of
34:26
free migration? And what do you think about that
34:28
one? Well.
34:29
I think it's complicated, but one thing I will say is that it
34:32
is a great problem when lots of people, I think come in who
34:37
don't believe in the, the fundamentals of the civilization
34:39
or the, you know, I mean, of the different civilization, but not
34:42
of, of some of the, and they don't want to assembly in the
34:45
society. I mean, I again, I, you know, I
34:47
think if I think, I think that the focus often has been in the
34:50
wrong place. For instance, I think it is such
34:52
a, a sad thing that there are all of these kind of hard
34:54
working, you know, Mexican Americans or, or just people
34:57
from, from Mexico who have been gone after when I mean, they
34:59
are, you know, they, they go to church on Sundays and they, they
35:02
work good jobs And you know, they're, they're good people and
35:05
to, to manhandle them and all these things is very, very
35:07
wrong. You know, we've seen lots of
35:10
about trade from religious authorities in America, from
35:12
political authorities and otherwise.
35:15
You know, I would say there is, I think also an issue with we
35:19
saw, you know, maybe in newborn Michigan and I think the
35:20
community in, in Minneapolis, the Somali community, which
35:24
doesn't have much of A loyalty, I think unfortunately to to
35:26
America, though, in that case, like I would say, obviously one
35:29
of my parents is Indian, but she left India because she felt that
35:33
it was a, you know, a bad country.
35:35
It's a country that is where men rule women and, and it is a bad
35:39
country in so many ways. We see right now.
35:42
India has bankrolled Russia's invasion of Ukraine and they,
35:44
they are no friend of the West and they should not be thought
35:46
of that way. I mean, Christians in India have
35:48
a very hard time with sort of the the the strict Hinduism in
35:51
the government and. I made the campaign for ex
35:55
India. It was very entertaining
35:58
campaign. I became relatively famous on
36:01
Indian television because I was the evil Austrian economist and
36:05
I was together with Paul Navarro.
36:07
I was calling for a high tariffs on India.
36:11
So I punish them hard. But at the moment we tried to
36:14
conclude the trade agreement with the Indians.
36:16
So I have reduced my pressure on them a bit and I hope if they
36:21
will sign this contract, then we will break them out of the
36:26
Russian grip and we will break bricks.
36:29
That's actually our strategic aim, to break the Russian
36:32
alliance systems and to isolate Russia after the liberation of
36:37
Iran. And then the breaking of bricks.
36:40
Russia will be only with China. And then we hopefully have
36:44
isolated Russia well enough to liberate the Ukrainians.
36:49
That's the biggest strategy. I hope it works.
36:52
Yes. You hope so.
36:54
And so I guess to really to still my views on on this
36:57
migration question, anything that is targeting children or
37:00
innocent people is of course very evil and wrong and immoral.
37:03
But it is of course reasonable to say that we should be asking
37:06
people to sort of be good in society.
37:08
But I think many of the people who've been mistreated have been
37:12
good contributor society. And the focus has not been at
37:15
all on sort of some of the, you know, perhaps actual issues that
37:19
have have arisen in terms of sort of, you know, foreign
37:22
ideologies being imported and things like that.
37:26
I mean, and of course, of course, migration is a big
37:28
question in Europe. And it is, I mean, I will say, I
37:30
think migration in Europe, I, I understand some of the very, I
37:33
think the very strong concerns are very legitimate.
37:34
And I, I think there needs to be a handle on it.
37:37
I mean, you see in, in Sweden, I am seeing that it is, if birth
37:41
rates continue, it'll be like 30% Muslim by, by 2050 or
37:45
something. And that would be very bad for
37:46
Sweden, especially if I mean, not necessarily, but I think the
37:50
people they're probably if they're Muslim, would not
37:52
support civilization so much. And so we need to, you know,
37:57
ideally demand more assimilation or demand in in the case of some
38:01
people say like Syria, people can go back and help rebuild the
38:04
country. Now, if the when the war is
38:06
ending, that would be good. But The thing is, it cannot be
38:09
done immorally. I mean, this is the the thing.
38:11
You cannot be be rounding up children.
38:13
That is that is vile. You know, the Catholic Bishops
38:16
did a very good statement on this.
38:19
And so so. Very.
38:21
I mean, Europe actually, we think that we have the situation
38:24
quite under control. We are maybe not as dynamic and
38:27
powerful, but our societies are OK and we are quite good
38:31
actually. And we are much more worried
38:33
about America. And I see that the Americans are
38:36
worried much more about Europe. So maybe we should learn a
38:39
little bit more about each other and we should be a little bit
38:43
more tolerant there. Because if I go out now here at
38:46
home in Vienna, I'm secure and I'm safe.
38:50
And Vienna is a very safe and nice place to live.
38:53
And it's a very rich and beautiful city.
38:55
And we are in no way the chaos that JD Vance is describing us,
38:59
I'm sure. That's true.
39:02
But there are, I mean, some things I saw that now students
39:05
from the United Arab Emirates will not be allowed to study in
39:08
the United Kingdom because they feel that there is too much
39:11
promotion of sort of Islamic radicalism of support for Iran
39:16
and Hamas and all of these things in the United Kingdom.
39:19
That is too much for the United Arab Emirates.
39:21
And so if the, if there's ideology spreading in the UK and
39:25
that is very, I think that is very dangerous.
39:27
And, you know, and if the Muslim movement can recognize it, I
39:30
think hopefully we can, of course.
39:34
Maybe we will have to invite Keir Starmer then and to see
39:37
what is going on in the UK one day.
39:39
I'm actually campaigning for the return of the United Kingdom to
39:43
the European Union because it was basically a Russian plot to
39:47
get rid of this to to break the European Union and to break the
39:53
UK out of the EU. That was a tragedy and
39:56
unfortunately he succeeded and we have now to fix it and that's
40:00
what we are going to do. But it would be nice if America
40:03
helps us on that one the next time, yes.
40:06
Well, I think some people in the UK, I think, again, I think they
40:08
had delusion to concerns, but the issue was they forgot what
40:11
the EU was. And again, it was a Christian
40:13
democratic project. It was the project of, you know,
40:16
Chide de Gasperi and of Connor Adenauer and, you know, of all
40:21
of these people that really did want to have a united Western
40:24
Christian civilization. And so even if I think there is
40:28
sort of an issue with, you know, I'd like to to see Europe get
40:30
back to some of those values in, you know, in certain ways, but I
40:34
don't know, you know, plenty of ways.
40:35
But nonetheless, the EU is still the greatest union we have of
40:41
the West here and the second greatest after NATO.
40:43
And it must be, you know, I'm an American.
40:46
I think America is the greatest country in the world in all of
40:48
this. But you know, where the, the
40:50
children of European civilization specifically of,
40:52
you know, British English civilization, which is, you
40:55
know, in all of each other ways also Western, Christian,
40:57
Germanic, Protestant, all of these things.
41:00
And there there's a natural cultural union unity there.
41:03
And it has to be has to be recognized.
41:06
You know that the founding father of the European Union is
41:09
called Shawn Monet, a French businessman and politician.
41:12
And he was basically moderating and organizing the French war
41:17
effort, industrial war effort from the United States of
41:20
Washington because you were bringing a lot of the materials
41:24
to Europe by land lease. He was the administrator of that
41:27
program and for the reconstruction.
41:29
And he has basically from the beginning, copied the European
41:32
Union along the American model. And that was from the beginning,
41:36
the start. And he received a lot of funding
41:38
and political and economic support from the United States
41:42
in order to reconstruct Europe and to build the United States
41:46
of Europe in the design of the United States of America.
41:52
Yes, absolutely. And in the same way that even
41:55
though America has had, you know, unfortunately I have a
41:59
good book by Charles Murray coming apart to explain some of
42:02
this. We've had some some great
42:03
cultural issues in terms of, you know, lack of children and lack
42:06
of sort of, you know, families have disintegrated in many
42:09
places. Unfortunately, we've lost a lot
42:11
of our industrial core, but that means we need to, we have a
42:14
renaissance in America. We have to, I'm gonna revitalize
42:17
the American spirit and the frontier spirit, the cowboy
42:20
spirit in the same way, you know, Europe can, can revitalize
42:23
the old spirit. And then to say to, you know,
42:26
get rid of the EU because there are these issues that are
42:28
legitimate issues. It's silly.
42:32
Exactly. Yes, yes.
42:33
European Union is, is a union for Europe.
42:36
And if you like Europe, you should want to have Europe
42:38
united. And we will do this thanks to
42:42
Mr. Trump as well, because now we will get Greenland in the
42:45
European Union, we will get Denmark in the eurozone.
42:49
We will also integrate Ukraine in the European Union and also
42:53
Kosovo and Albania. You will see a lot of things
42:56
will happen because of the pressure Mr. Trump is putting on
42:59
us. Yes, the Greenland thing
43:01
especially I, when Trump first said it, I was thinking well,
43:04
OK, if he says we will pay $100 million to for Greenland and the
43:09
day and Denmark says yes, I am in favor of that.
43:12
If, if Denmark would agree and that is OK.
43:14
But Denmark said no and that is that their ally and they sent in
43:18
20,000 of their young men to go fight in Afghanistan for us.
43:21
And so why would we take Greenland from them if they
43:24
don't want us to have it, Especially when we have, we
43:27
already have the access to all the things that we would like in
43:29
Greenland. And if we would like more, which
43:31
I think it's not an unfair thing to ask for, then we can do so
43:34
through the proper channels and not, you know, cause 'cause
43:37
chaos. So I think that is absolutely,
43:41
you know, the central missionary.
43:42
And I wanted to turn to Mr. Orban in Hungary because I am,
43:45
I'm disappointed by the admiration I think many
43:47
conservatives have for Orban. I mean, think about Hungary
43:50
historically. I mean, Hungary was taken over
43:52
by, by, I'd be retaken by Austria.
44:00
You know, there was in all of this.
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I mean, imagine if the Hungarians 400 years ago had the
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same mindset towards European unity that Orban seems to have
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now. Imagine if, you know, when the
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Habsburgs and and Austria were saying, let's just take Hungary
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back for, you know, sort of the West from, you know, be under,
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you know, Islamic rule. Imagine if the Hungarians had
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been like Orban and said, we don't want to be with Europe.
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I mean, it would have been what a disaster.
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And then I think Orban now, and it's unfortunate because he was
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a freedom fighter against the Communists so long ago.
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And so I wish that he would continue to be his pro W,
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although I'm grateful to think there's a center right
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opposition that might be able to win the election this year.
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Exactly. I fully endorse Peter McGuire.
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I've done it already many times on my Twitter account.
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And he is a conservative leader, which we really need is pro
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European. He will introduce the euro in
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Hungary and he will support Ukraine and he will support
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America as well. Definitely because he's a
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conservative good guy and Auburn is basically a traitor who is in
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the pocket of Putin. And he will demand must be
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defeated in April. And I will do my very best he on
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the show to fight against Auburn and fight for Peter McGuire as
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the new Prime Minister of Hungary.
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And you can tell all the good American patriots to support
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Peter because he is a very good person and he will stand with us
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and he will make Hungary great again and he will kick the
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Russians out of Budapest. And that's very good, though.
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Good, yes. Let's conclude it 100 years ago,
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the last time the Russians had a great communist.
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Yeah, exactly, Chief. It was very nice to talk to you.
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I propose A structured corporation in the future.
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I will put it on online now on YouTube and Spotify.
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But let's keep it as a beginning and then we can work together
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for NATO enlargement. And that's my offer to
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constructively work in the coming years together and to
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turn the opinion in America and in Europe that we are basically
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1 W. We are like sister and brother
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of the West, the two pillars of the European Union and the
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United States of America. We are united in NATO and we
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will defeat our enemies and we will make the best great again.
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Yes, absolutely. There's a no going to conclude
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on. I look forward to working for
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you, working with you in the future, Gunther and to promoting
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NATO, the West, Western civilization.
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And yes, thank you so much. Have a wonderful.
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Day so happy, thanks a lot. Enjoy your Saturday.
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Have a nice weekend. Best regards from Vienna.
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Thanks for joining the show every.
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Weekend best wishes from California.