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Reiner Fuellmich Exclusive | UK Column Interviews · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good morning. It's a beautiful sunny day, blue sky, sunshine,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm stood here in the market square of the
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  Speaker 1: ancient German city of Bremen, that's in the north of Germany,
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  Speaker 1: and I've come here to give UK column viewers really
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  Speaker 1: a unique report into what's been happening around Dr Rhina Fulmick,
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  Speaker 1: the man who started the Corona In Investigative Committee. Over
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  Speaker 1: recent weeks, his supporters have contacted the UK Column to
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  Speaker 1: express their concerns about the trial that he received, the
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  Speaker 1: fact that he's now spent over two years in prison
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  Speaker 1: with about the same to serve. His supporters say that
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  Speaker 1: he didn't get a fair trial and that he's endured
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  Speaker 1: some pretty unpleasant conditions inside the prison. So UK Column
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  Speaker 1: decided the only way to deal with this situation was
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  Speaker 1: to come to Germany to meet some of the supporters
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  Speaker 1: of Dr Rhina Formick and to hear what they have
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  Speaker 1: to say. But also I'm going to be able to
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  Speaker 1: go to bremer forda that's a much smaller town to
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  Speaker 1: the east of Bremen, and I'm going to be able
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  Speaker 1: to visit Dr Rhina Formick in prison, to meet the
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  Speaker 1: man and to understand from him. In his own words,
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  Speaker 1: what has actually taken place. So stay with the UK
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  Speaker 1: column initial report today, but on Monday's news coming I'll
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  Speaker 1: be reporting about my visit to the prison in order
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  Speaker 1: to meet doctor Rhina Fulmack.
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
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  Speaker 3: I am Rhinoformitch and I have been admitted to the
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  Speaker 3: bar in Germany and in California for twenty six years.
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  Speaker 3: I have been practicing law, primarily as a trial lawyer
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  Speaker 3: against fraudile incorporations such as Deutsche Bank, formerly one of
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  Speaker 3: the world's largest and most respected banks, today one of
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  Speaker 3: the most toxic criminal organizations in the world. VW, one
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  Speaker 3: of the world's largest and most respected car manufacturers today
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  Speaker 3: notorious for its giant diesel fraud, and Kuna and Nager,
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  Speaker 3: the world's largest shipping company. We're suing them in a
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  Speaker 3: multimillion dollar bribery case. I'm also one of four members
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  Speaker 3: of the German Corona Investigative Committee. Since July tenth, twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 3: this committee has been listening to a large number of
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  Speaker 3: international scientists and experts testimony to find answers to questions
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  Speaker 3: about the Corona crisis, which more and more people worldwide
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  Speaker 3: are asking. All the above mentioned cases of corruption and
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  Speaker 3: fraud committed by the German corporations pale in comparison in
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  Speaker 3: view of the extent of the damage that the Corona
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  Speaker 3: crisis has caused and continues to cause. This Corona crisis,
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  Speaker 3: according to all we know today, must be renamed a
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  Speaker 3: Corona scandal, and those responsible for it must be criminally
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  Speaker 3: prosecuted and sued for civil damages. On a political level,
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  Speaker 3: everything must be done to make sure that no one
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  Speaker 3: will ever again be in a position of such power
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  Speaker 3: as to be able to defraud humanity or to attempt
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  Speaker 3: to manipulate us with their corrupt agendas. And for this
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  Speaker 3: reason I will now explain to you how and where
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  Speaker 3: an international network of lawyers will argue this biggest thwart
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  Speaker 3: case ever, the Corona fraud scandal, which has meanwhile unfolded
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  Speaker 3: into probably the greatest crime against humanity ever committed. Crimes
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  Speaker 3: against humanity were first defined in connection with the Nuremberg
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  Speaker 3: Trials after World War II, that is, when they dealt
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  Speaker 3: with the main war criminals of the Third Reich. Crimes
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  Speaker 3: against humanity are today regulated in Section seven of the
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  Speaker 3: International Criminal Code. The three major questions to be answered
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  Speaker 3: in the context of a judicial approach to the Corona
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  Speaker 3: scandal are One is there a Corona pandemic or is
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  Speaker 3: there only a PCR test pandemic. Specifically, does a positive
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  Speaker 3: PCR test result mean that the person tested is infected
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  Speaker 3: with COVID nineteen or does it mean absolutely nothing in
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  Speaker 3: connection with the COVID nineteen infection. Two Do the so
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  Speaker 3: called anti Corona measures such as the lockdown, mandatory face masks,
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  Speaker 3: social distancing and quarantine regulations serve to protect the world's
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  Speaker 3: population from Corona or do these measures serve only to
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  Speaker 3: make people panic so that they believe, without asking any questions,
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  Speaker 3: that their lives are in danger, so that in the end,
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  Speaker 3: the pharmaceutical and tech industries can generate huge profits from
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  Speaker 3: the sale of PCR tests, antigen and antibody tests, and vaccines,
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  Speaker 3: as well as the harvesting of our genetic fingerprints. And Three,
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  Speaker 3: is it true that the German government was massively lobbied
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  Speaker 3: more so than any other country by the chief protagonists
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  Speaker 3: of this so called poor Corona pandemic Mister Drusden, virologists
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  Speaker 3: at Sharite Hospital in Berlin. Mister Wheeler, veterinarian and head
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  Speaker 3: of the German equivalent of the CDC, the RKI and
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  Speaker 3: mister Teedras, head of the World Health Organization or WHO.
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  Speaker 3: Because of Germany is known as a particularly disciplined country
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  Speaker 3: and was therefore to become a role model for the
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  Speaker 3: rest of the world for its strict and of course
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  Speaker 3: successful adherence to the Corona measures. Answers to these three
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  Speaker 3: questions are urgently needed because the allegedly new and highly
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  Speaker 3: dangerous coronavirus has not caused any excess mortality anywhere in
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  Speaker 3: the world and certainly not here in Germany. But the
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  Speaker 3: anti Corona measures, whose only basis are the PCR test results,
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  Speaker 3: which are in turn all based on the German Drusten test,
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  Speaker 3: have in the meantime caused the loss of innumerable human
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  Speaker 3: lives and have destroyed the economic existence of countless companies
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  Speaker 3: and individuals. Worldwide Investigative Committee. Since July tenth, twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 3: this committee has been listening to a large number of
• 7:08
  Speaker 3: international scientists and experts testimony to find answers to questions
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  Speaker 3: about the Corona crisis, which more and more people worldwide
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  Speaker 3: are asking. All the above mentioned cases of corruption and
• 7:21
  Speaker 3: fraud committed by the German corporations pale in comparison in
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: view of the extent of the damage that the Corona
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  Speaker 3: crisis has caused and continues to cause. This Corona crisis,
• 7:34
  Speaker 3: according to all we know today, must be renamed a
• 7:37
  Speaker 3: Corona scandal, and those responsible for it must be criminally
• 7:42
  Speaker 3: prosecuted and sued for civil damages. On a political level,
• 7:47
  Speaker 3: everything must be done to make sure that no one
• 7:50
  Speaker 3: will ever again be in a position of such power
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  Speaker 3: as to be able to defraud humanity or to attempt
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  Speaker 3: to manipulate us with their agendas. And for this reason
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  Speaker 3: I will now explain to you how and where an
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: international network of lawyers will argue this biggest thwart case ever,
• 8:10
  Speaker 3: the Corona fraud scandal, which has meanwhile unfolded into probably
• 8:15
  Speaker 3: the greatest crime against humanity ever committed. Crimes against humanity
• 8:20
  Speaker 3: were first defined in connection with the Nuremberg Trials after
• 8:24
  Speaker 3: World War II, that is, when they dealt with the
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  Speaker 3: main war criminals of the Third Reich. Crimes against humanity
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  Speaker 3: are today regulated in Section seven of the International Criminal Code.
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  Speaker 3: The three major questions to be answered in the context
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  Speaker 3: of a judicial approach to the Corona scandal are one,
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  Speaker 3: is there a Corona pandemic or is there only a
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  Speaker 3: PCR test pandemic. Specifically, does a positive PCR test result
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  Speaker 3: mean that the person tested is infected with COVID nineteen
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  Speaker 3: or does it mean absolutely nothing in with the COVID
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  Speaker 3: nineteen infection. Two Do the so called anti corona measures
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  Speaker 3: such as the lockdown, mandatory face masks, social distancing and
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  Speaker 3: quarantine regulations serve to protect the world's population from corona?
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  Speaker 3: Or do these measures serve only to make people panic
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  Speaker 3: so that they believe, without asking any questions, that their
• 9:25
  Speaker 3: lives are in danger, so that in the end, the
• 9:28
  Speaker 3: pharmaceutical and tech industries can generate huge profits from the
• 9:32
  Speaker 3: sale of PCR tests, antigen and antibody tests, and vaccines,
• 9:37
  Speaker 3: as well as the harvesting of our genetic fingerprints. And Three,
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  Speaker 3: is it true that the German government was massively lobbied
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  Speaker 3: more so than any other country by the chief protagonists
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  Speaker 3: of this so called poor Corona pandemic Mister Drusden, virologist
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  Speaker 3: at Sharite Hospital in Berlin, Mister Wheeler, veterinarian and head
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  Speaker 3: of the German equivalent of the CDC, the RKI, and
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  Speaker 3: mister Teedras, head of the World Health Organization or who.
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  Speaker 3: Because of Germany is known as a particularly disciplined country
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: and was therefore to become a role model for the
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: rest of the world for its strict and of course
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: successful adherence to the Corona measures. Answers to these three
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  Speaker 3: questions are urgently needed because the allegedly new and highly
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  Speaker 3: dangerous Corona virus has not caused any excess mortality anywhere
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  Speaker 3: in the world, and certainly not here in Germany. But
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  Speaker 3: the anti Corona measures, whose only basis are the PCR
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  Speaker 3: test results, which are in turn all based on the
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  Speaker 3: German Drusten test, have in the meantime caused the loss
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  Speaker 3: of innumerable human lives and have destroyed the economic existence
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  Speaker 3: of countless companies and individuals worldwide.
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  Speaker 1: We've just been in to see Rhina. What was your
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  Speaker 1: impression of the visit and how did you find Rhiner?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I found him quite fit, still very strong, still
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  Speaker 2: very very very strong, and optimistic as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he's very hopeful that an appeal that's being put
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  Speaker 1: together at the moment will be effective for him.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he's very helpful and I hope so.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And he's also mentioned the number of people who
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  Speaker 1: are actually trying to help him at the moment and
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  Speaker 1: that includes not only members of the public, but also people,
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  Speaker 1: legal professionals and other professionals within Germany.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, right, that was a.
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  Speaker 1: Very interesting thing for him to disclose. So from what
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  Speaker 1: he's saying, it's clear that the support for him is
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  Speaker 1: growing within elements of the how do we describe it,
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  Speaker 1: the German power base.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it gets bigger and every day, like the support
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  Speaker 2: from the people gets bigger and bigger, and many more
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  Speaker 2: people are waking up and see what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So for people who've never experienced a prison, just
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  Speaker 1: tell us in very simple terms, what happened. We arrived
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  Speaker 1: this morning.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, we arrived this morning. We had to show
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  Speaker 2: our passport. We have to close everything away. We are
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  Speaker 2: not allowed to take anything with us only ten years
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  Speaker 2: or together, so that we can buy a coffee or
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  Speaker 2: a piece of chocolate for Rhino and for ourselves. Then
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  Speaker 2: we had to wait in a waiting room. In the
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  Speaker 2: first waiting room, then we were taken to another room
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  Speaker 2: for the security check, and then we were we were
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  Speaker 2: taken to the next waiting room h and we waited
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  Speaker 2: there until it was time to go upstairs and to
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  Speaker 2: meet Rhiner in in the kind of let's say cafeteria,
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  Speaker 2: but you know.
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  Speaker 1: It's quite a reasonable Yes, there weren't many people. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and of course we could have a coffee with Rhina,
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  Speaker 1: and he was able to have a chocolate bar, which
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  Speaker 1: I think in two.
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  Speaker 2: He enjoyed that.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And what was your impression of the prison staff the
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  Speaker 1: warders today? How did you find.
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  Speaker 2: Them very kind? I was. I was hoping that this
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  Speaker 2: guy who we met was there, because he was very
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  Speaker 2: kind the last time I was here, and it took
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  Speaker 2: the time to explain, to answer some questions ahead, and
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  Speaker 2: he took the time to explain many things to me,
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  Speaker 2: and I was hoping to see him again and it
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  Speaker 2: was there, so you know, I couldn't be happier. That's
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  Speaker 2: good to know that there are people who are also
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  Speaker 2: kind to Rhiner, of course, because that was not the
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  Speaker 2: case at the ross of prison. You know, there are
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  Speaker 2: good people who are still trying to help Reiners. So
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  Speaker 2: this must also be said.
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  Speaker 1: This is very true. And Rhiner has said that not
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  Speaker 1: only are there people who are now coined to him,
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  Speaker 1: he's treated as a human being now, but he's also
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  Speaker 1: said that he's been able to help other prisoners. He's
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  Speaker 1: been able to do various work for prisoners to help them,
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  Speaker 1: and also that he's received help from other inmates in
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  Speaker 1: the prison. So this is this does indicate a positive
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  Speaker 1: changes in circumstance. Yes, so I'd like to end see
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  Speaker 1: by by thanking you and Marie, who's sitting in the
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  Speaker 1: car now, But thank you for arranging this visit. It's
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  Speaker 1: been very important for me that I've been able to
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  Speaker 1: come to Germany. I've been able to come to the prison,
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  Speaker 1: and I've been able to meet Rhina in person. There's
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  Speaker 1: nothing that beats actually being with another individual to get
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  Speaker 1: a feel for how they are, and we've had a
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  Speaker 1: very interesting conversation today. But for me it's been very
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  Speaker 1: very helpful to get a better understanding not only of
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  Speaker 1: Rhina as the man, but also the work that he's
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  Speaker 1: been doing and the situation which he now finds himself.
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  Speaker 1: But thank you to you for arranging that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no problem. I thank you for coming here and
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  Speaker 2: to try to look into rhina case.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, it started in twenty twenty one beginning of
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  Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, when the Parliament tried to pass a
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  Speaker 5: motion of indemnity to basically remove the responsibility of the
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  Speaker 5: vaccine manufacturer just in case somebody die, they cannot be
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  Speaker 5: held accountable, and that motion was about to be presented
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  Speaker 5: in parliament. And then at that time I contacted an MP,
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  Speaker 5: John Salon, and I said to him, okay, John, we
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  Speaker 5: need to meet now, okay, because this is very serious.
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  Speaker 5: This is for the sake of the population of Anamato,
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  Speaker 5: and you don't want everybody around us to die because
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  Speaker 5: of this vaction. So I met him and then he
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  Speaker 5: really he's an intelligent guy, and then he he he
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  Speaker 5: understood the the you know, the the serious matter that
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  Speaker 5: I was, you know, saying uh and then uh. Later
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  Speaker 5: on we met with another MP which was Andrew Napat.
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  Speaker 5: They were in the opposition part of the government. And
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  Speaker 5: then after that, you know what what happened is we
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  Speaker 5: start to make a video awareness video to really encourage
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  Speaker 5: the population of Ana to do not get vaccinated. And
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  Speaker 5: then the fact that the manufacturer company wanted to be
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  Speaker 5: not responsible if anything happened that was a retruck. So
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  Speaker 5: for me it was already okay, you know what it's like,
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  Speaker 5: you were selling a product, but if you die, sorry,
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  Speaker 5: if you die, I'm not responsible. Okay already, so then
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  Speaker 5: what is in the product. But we don't know the ingredients.
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  Speaker 5: We are not disclosed. So anyway, we start to do
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  Speaker 5: that with and and John Salon, we start to get
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  Speaker 5: kind of you know, a group, you know, getting bigger
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  Speaker 5: and bigger and bigger. And then the government I wanted
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  Speaker 5: to find a way to arrest John Salon and me,
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  Speaker 5: I was in the background. They didn't know who I was.
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  Speaker 5: They still asked the police to find me because I
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: was a source, because I was connected already with professors
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  Speaker 5: and expert in America. And that's how I get the
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  Speaker 5: data basically, But it didn't happen. They didn't interest me.
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  Speaker 5: And uh at the time, I remember that there was
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  Speaker 5: this guy, Rhino Fumik, and I searched and I find
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  Speaker 5: a guy finally who could get me in contact with him.
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  Speaker 5: And we're get in contact. And I told I write
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  Speaker 5: the letter actually.
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  Speaker 2: For the MPs.
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  Speaker 5: And I said to Rhinos, ok, listen, Vanuatu is a
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  Speaker 5: special place. And in that place we are surrounded by
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  Speaker 5: the entities, evil entities like the U n who and
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: you name it. You know, they are embedded into the government.
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  Speaker 5: And we know each other, we are friends with each other.
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  Speaker 5: We know how they work, we know what they are doing.
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  Speaker 5: It's very easy because it's very close, so it's like
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  Speaker 5: a little village, you know. And then also the fact
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  Speaker 5: that we could be international could protect this to MPs,
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  Speaker 5: you know, from being to jail and scaled the government
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  Speaker 5: to say, Okay, you know what, if you continue like this,
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  Speaker 5: we're going to file the constitutional case against the government
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  Speaker 5: of an Okay. So then Rhino answer and he was
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  Speaker 5: very pleased to do the to encreade this two MP
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  Speaker 5: into the what was it the testimony at the time,
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  Speaker 5: it was the Coroner Investigative Committee, and they did a
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  Speaker 5: piece together and I was there. I said that and
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  Speaker 5: it was fantastic. And then we broadcast that in the
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  Speaker 5: country as well, Okay, to make sure people understand what
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  Speaker 5: was going on. And I believe that the work that
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  Speaker 5: we did, you know, savor of Life, sparand and matter.
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  Speaker 5: We are probably one of the country who have the
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  Speaker 5: less vaccination percentage. I think we are seventy percent, but
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  Speaker 5: we cannot trust w that anyway, And this is how
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  Speaker 5: we connected with Rhino. And then the time goes on
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  Speaker 5: and then you know, twenty twenty three, I learned that
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  Speaker 5: Rhino was arrested, and you know, I'm an investigative journalist.
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  Speaker 6: I know this stuff.
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  Speaker 5: You know, for me, it's a red flag. It's like
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  Speaker 5: full of the money or it's like you know, the
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: timing of events. You know, somebody who is a lawyer,
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: international lawy, you get arrested because he is putting together
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  Speaker 5: proof that the pandemic was a fraud. The piece test
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  Speaker 5: was before I said no, no, So I said, now,
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  Speaker 5: I said to you. I went to see John and
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  Speaker 5: Andrew and I said, John wanted to do a piece, okay,
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: a piece for now, and nobody asked me to do that.
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  Speaker 5: I was just here on my corner and Sla was
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  Speaker 5: like thinking about Rhyino. I said, you know what, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we need to do something about it. Rhino help us
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  Speaker 5: in a way because he was there for for us.
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  Speaker 5: So I really felt like, okay, we need to be
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  Speaker 5: here for him now, okay, because like you said, you know,
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  Speaker 5: he took the bullet for for us. After that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the we did this piece. This piece went not viral,
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: but pretty much in a lot of of the freedom
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  Speaker 5: movements and some people contacting me, playing thank you and
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: some others. And then finally I met Sabah, and Sabah
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  Speaker 5: I asked for some questions okay, how blah blah blah,
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  Speaker 5: I needed to I wanted to do a film, but
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know how. And uh yeah, I wanted to
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  Speaker 5: do a film, but I needed somebody to help me
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  Speaker 5: because it's a lot of work. So I kind of
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  Speaker 5: point out that she was really yeah, yeah, yeah, let's
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  Speaker 5: get right now.
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  Speaker 4: Out you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we need to fight. And so okay, now I
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  Speaker 5: find a fighter. That's that's that's that's when I'm mounting
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: it to work with us. And I said to said, okay,
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  Speaker 5: are you willing to work with me on the film
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  Speaker 5: that I want to do for right now? Or at
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: least a piece. We started with a piece with forty
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  Speaker 5: one via piece and she said, oh yeah, that would
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  Speaker 5: be great. Okay, And I said to her, I writag
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  Speaker 5: for everything you need to know only the film. No,
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  Speaker 5: don't worry, and we start to do that. Here we
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: are today, one year later, a little bit more than
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: one year now, doing a film. Uh you know, to
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: pull all the data out, even the data that is
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: not known by the large public or the tublic, even
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: from the film movement. There is something that they don't
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: know about. So we are putting all that together in
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: order to expose the case of Rhino, and I believe
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: as a filmmaker it would expose the truth, you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: no matter what the danger. You know, then suddenly the
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: government is going to back off and say, okay, we'll
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: have to be careful, we need to do another strategy away.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: But basically what we want is Rhiner free. Why is
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: because rh I know he's not done. He's going to
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: fight again, and he is going to go all the
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: way to break to put down not only the people
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: who put him down in jail, but also the whole
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Corona fraud, the whole pandemic fraud, and the whole elite,
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: all the goats, you know, fraud, and all these people
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: who think, you know, they can do they want thinking
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: that we are just a laborate or something. So you know,
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: the goal is to get Rhino out. It's not just
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: to do a film. The film itself a purpose. It's
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: a call for action. Rhiner was starting to expose the
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: big head and they didn't like it, you know. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: they didn't like.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: It for two reasons.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: One because Rhino is a doctor of law international and
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: the second thing is he was about to succeed to
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: put this bastard in jail. Okay, by showing the way
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: to other lawyers, by sharing the testimony, the witness testimonies
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: and the expert testimony, is you know, to any lawyer
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: who wanted to fight their government for deploying you know
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: all the corona measures and all the lockdown and all
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: the mandatory vaccination. These people should be in jail right now.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: This is a short update on how the production of
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: the film Free Rhino is going. When in the process
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: of writing the script in the form of a thriller
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: to really enford the story that will be interesting to watch.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Script writing is a very important process because it frames
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: the film in a way that not only makes sense,
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: but also make it suspenseful. We already have all of data,
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: and on the way to doing the film, I'm sure
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: we'll get even more. But so far we have all
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: the proof that Trainer is in a sense and he
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: has been framed by the people he tried to expose.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: So we will enforce these facts in plant life.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Well, hello, I'm here back in the market square in Bremnen.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: When we sat down, initially the soul were shining and
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I thought we were in for a really nice lunchtime.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: The clouds have come over. It's a little bit colder,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: but the market square is now full of people, and
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: we'll make sure we show you some pictures of that
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: in due course. But I'm really pleased to be here
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: with Siba and Marie and these ladies have come to
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Bremen in order to join me. Well, they facilitated me
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: having a visit to Sea Rhina for Mack in prison.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: But Siba, Marie, you've come from a long way. Tell
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the audience where you've come from. Siba, perhaps you quote
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: to start.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, we came from Switzerland, from the Italian part of Switzerland,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: you know, and we have like twelve hours drive yesterday.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: It's not the first time that we travel. For Ner.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: We attended court last year in February, I guess, yes.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: When he started, uh Is fled by and so we
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: decided to visit him again. For Maria Piare, this is
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: the first time visiting him, and have been already a
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: couple of times in the last few months.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Right lovely and Marie, you live fairly close to Sheeper.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Half an hour, yes, half an hour or so. We
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: didn't we met, thank to Rhiner because we didn't know
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: before and so I saw that Ciba was speaking about
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: doing interviews about Rhymer Funy, and so I decided to
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: to meet her because I said, I have to know
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: her because she is fighting for Rhiner. And I knew
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Rhiner when he did his Corona Committee and I followed
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: him all the time. And uh so I was astonished
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: that he was arrested and he was in prison, and
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: so he is looking for justice and truth. That's that's
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: all what he wants.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: But you're obviously dedicated in what you're doing. Why why
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: do you feel so passionate about supporting Ryman?
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Because I know he's a good man. I'm sure it's innocent,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: and I just felt I had to do something for
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: him because I was shocked about all the silence around
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Rhino when he was arrested in jailed, and I saw
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: that just a few people were doing something for him.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: And that's where I decided that I could also give
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: my contribution. And I started to fight and I'm still
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: fighting and I won't stop until Rhiner is free.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Right, And how how did things begin for you?
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: Did?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Did you start writing to him and then then you
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: visited him? How did that happen?
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Well? I the first Yeah, the first actions I took
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: where to to try to get the word out whenever
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I could. And then last year and in summer, filmmaker
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Philip carrell Or contacted me and said, step and we
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: need to do something very quickly for Rhiner. We didn't
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: have time for a movie because we wanted to do
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: something very very quickly, and so what we decided to
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: do was to get in touch with all the experts
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: who Rhino had interviews in the last let's say, during
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the plandemics periods. We got in touch with around one
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty experts and we asked them to record
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: a one minute video in support of Liner. And so
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: we collected these videos and it ended up with one
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: hour video. We had Archbishop Vigano speaking for Rhino. We
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: had MP Andrew X, MP Andrew Bridging Andrew Bridging, We
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: had Senator Malcolm Roberts from Australia. We had many many
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: other very important people, doctors, lawyers, activists, and yeah, that
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: was the first important action I took with Philipp And
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: now we are going to the following step and we
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I've started with the production of the film on Rhino.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: How many times have you been able to visit him
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: in prison?
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Three times in the last four or five months.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: And how long does how long do you get for
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: a visit? How long is the visit?
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Just one hour?
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: That's a very short period of time when you're talking
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to somebody. Yes, and we think tomorrow that we've got
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the same length of time when we're going to see it,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: exactly one hour. I've visited people in prison before. I
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: think that's usually been two hours. But I know the
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: time goes very quickly, so it's always very difficult. You
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: want to be you want to be talking in a
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: social sense, but you also want to be asking questions
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: in the clock. The hands of the clock moved very quickly,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: so we'll see how that goes. A huge number of
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: people supporting Rhiner at the moment. I've looked at the
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Facebook page and I think that says that they're about
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: thirty nine thousand people worldwide who are still following what's
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: happening to him and are still calling for him to
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: be released. And what I found really interesting was that
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: for his birthday, which was on the fifth of May,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I think that people were meeting all around the world,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: in America, in Italy and Australia in order to celebrate
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: his birthday, but also to try and keep his memory alive.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: So it was obvious to me from looking at those
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: clips that a lot of people are very very passionate
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: about this. And you said, why you feel what you do?
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Why do you think so many other people are paying
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: attention to what's happened to.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Rhino because Weiner saved many lives. People write every day
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: in so media that Ryan are saved their lives, so
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: they want to give Ryan or something back, and that's
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: why they they are fighting altogether to get Ryan or plased.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: And yeah, you're right, Well you could see that on
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: his birthday where we tried worldwide to to hand over
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: signatures from petitions that have had been collected. Some embassies
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: allowed to hand over the signatures, but most of them
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: did not. We were in burn in front of the
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: German embassy and we were not allowed even to get
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: close to the embassy. So the police was there and
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: we were checked all the time. We were also not
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: allowed to make some noise, which is unbelievable. We think
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: two be living in a democratic country, but in fact
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: it's not. So we were trying to end over the signatus,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: but also we wanted to get the attention on Rhino's case,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: because we really need to get the attention of the public, opinion,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: of media, of anyone who can now on his case,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: because it's it's just disgusting what happened to to.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: I don't have to forget him.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: And Marie, what is your feeling about Rhiner. Were you
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: listening to Royan when he was talking about COVID and
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: the lockdown? Did you follow the Yeah, I see planet.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, I followed him and he interviewed so many people,
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: and I I felt that it was true, and I
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: had so much confidence in this man. And suddenly when
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: I knew that he was arrested, I was really astonished
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: and I couldn't believe it because I know it's a
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: good person and above all, I knew also many people
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: who he has interviewed and and so for me, it
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: was really as she said, I knew that it was
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: a story's dogs are really storied. It's about Coronel. But
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: I needed I didn't know anything, and I didn't I
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: needed somebody who was speaking about the truth. And so
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: I think now we as she said, as I said,
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: we have to give him back. But it's for me,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: not a duty, but it's for me. It comes from
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: from my heart, not because it's it's unjust that he
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: is in prison and so long and for nothing, just
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: because he wants justice.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Ryan has in prison, he's been through a trial, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: there are people that say he's done something wrong and
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: he deserves to be in the prison. Times from from
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: your point of view, why you think the whole of
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the Rhine the case needs further investigation. Why you think it's.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Wrong, because we need to start with his kidnapping, which
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: was really made up. He was taken from Mexico, and
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: his kidnapping was disguised as a decortation when he was
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: in Mexico, and once he was arrested at Frankfurt Airport,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: this kidnapping was disguised as an extradition, as an accompanied extradition.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: It means that something was wrong with that. So then
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: he didn't have a fair trial. Because you cannot say
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: he had a fair trial when the defense witnesses are
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: not allowed to take the stand, and where of the
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: motions presented by the defense lawyers are rejected without explanation,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: you cannot say this is a fair trial. The evidence
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: was there, but the evidence was not allowed to enter
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: this courtroom in Wetigan, not at.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: All, and you didn't You weren't able to attend all
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: of the trial, but you did attend some days in
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: the trial.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were lucky to be there when ryanod started
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: with his closing statement, and we attended to todays. Yes,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: it was towards the end of the trial, was in February,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: and he was convicted at the end of Peopril, so
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: we were able to to see him in action with
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: his closing statements.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, And he was accused in the trial of
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: embezzlement that he had deliberately attempted to take funds from
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: the CIC and to use them for his own purposes.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: What is your What is your response to people who say, well,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: he clearly did that.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: This is the line because Ryan was only trying to
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: protect the money from the state years At that time,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: all the people who were going were opposing the narrative
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: where they were having problems and they were getting their
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: bank accounts ceased by the German authorities, and so Rhino
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: had a foot call from somebody who had his bank
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: account ceast and people weren't ny and said, Rana, be
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: careful because they are going to seize your bank accounts,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: so be careful. So Rana had to decide very quickly
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: what he had to do to protect the money. And
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: what he did was to invest one million euro in gold.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: So he purchased some gold which is today worked two
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: point five millions, so he made a lot of you know,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: he made a lot of revenue from this action in buying.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: And the other action was to take out personal loans.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Why not took out two loans and Gilliana Fisher did
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: the exact same, she also took out the loan. And
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: these loan agreements were made in signing in in Britain
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: signed contracts and Billian Fisher signed NUS loan agreement and
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Rhino signed William's loan agreements. So everything was there. To see,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: it's in the books of the Forele Investigatives Committee. Did
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: you see Your point is that?
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: God see, But there are many people that some of
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: them wrong substats, some of them are on social media,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: but they're saying, well, Rayther used money that was for
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: the committee, the investigations committee, and he's therefore he's been
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: punished for that, and he's been put in prison for
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: in puzzling money from here. I see what's your response to.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: That, that's not true at all. He just tried to
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: protect the money from the German authorities because that period,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: all the people who were trying to question the narrative,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: they found themselves in the situation that they had their
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: bank accountsist. And so someone called Hiner and said, Rhina,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: be careful because your bank account could be ceased very soon.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: So he had to he had to take action, and
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: very quickly. So he decided to protect that money, investing
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: part of the money in buying God and also by
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: taking out loans. He did that. It took out two loans.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Vivian Fisher did also take out the loan, and these
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: loans were made in Britain, signed contracts and Rhiner signed
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Vivian's Fisher loan agreement and Vivian signed loan agreement. So
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: everything was there to be seen.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: And the other thing that I understand is that the
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: money which Weiner is supposed is accused of stealing, effectively
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: that Reiner has never actually received that money. It never
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: passed into his hands.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Is that correct.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: That's correct because at that time, when he was in
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: the United States for quite a long period, he had
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: to ask someone to take care of class action he
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: was working on, and also to take care of the
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: sale of his house because what Rhyana did and he
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: said that from the very beginning, I'm going to put
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: this money, the loan money, I'm going to put it
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: to invest it in my in my property which I'm
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: going to sell very soon. So it was already on
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: the brink of selling this property. It just let's say,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: parked the money for a period of time. And so
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: the person who was in charge to look after the
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: class section and the seal of his house is actually
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: the one who Rhino's money and is also one of
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: the three accusers.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Right, So this comes back not only to the circumstances
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: around money and how it was handled in the CIC,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: but very much into how a court case was built
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: against and from what you told me, I think your
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: feeling is that there was never any proper investigation in
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: judicial process into what did or did not take place
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: around Rhiner, in your words, trying to protect that money.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: You're right, nothing happened. The prosecutor never investigated. He didn't
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: even check the criminal complaint, which was totally false, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: he never investigated around the money that was stolen from Rhiner,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: so you know, they just didn't want to see what happened.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Right And I also correct in saying that though Vivian
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Fisher signed with Rhina the loan agreements and she actually
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: received money, that she was never brought before the court herself.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: She was never being accused of wrongdoing by the court,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: even though she undertaken the same process with the money
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: as Rhiner.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Is that right?
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: She was also investigated, but all the chargers were dropped,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: So now we can ask the question why the charges
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: were dropped right against against Vivian.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: You've been very concerned about Rhiner, and I know that
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: you're very passionate about all the work that he did
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: to try and protect people during COVID and to warn
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: them about what was what was really happening. As you know,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I was one of the people that appeared as a
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: witness for the c IC, and I in particular gave
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: testimony about the British government's use of applied psychology in
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: order to induce fear into the public to make them
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: more compliance. This is a British government's own words I'm
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: repeating here, but to make people more compliant with the
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: COVID nineteen lockdown, in the UK. So I was very
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: happy to participate in Bryner's CIC because to me it
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: was very important that somebody was trying to gather together
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: as many expert witnesses possible. And I wouldn't classify myself
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: as an expert witness of what I was learned through experience.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: But many of the people who testified were qualified d
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: qualified academics and scientists, so he, to my view, he
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: did bring together an extraordinary number of qualified people who
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: gave testimony warning that something was wrong about COVID nineteen.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Is there anything that you think I've got wrong there
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: or you don't tell you're right?
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: He did a great job, and he was able to
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: present all the evidence he had been gathering for these
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: two years in February twenty twenty two, if I remember correctly,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: in a modern gradually proceeding So he presented all the
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: evidence because he wanted to inform the public about what
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: was going on, and he wanted to warn people of
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: the danger of these so called vaccines.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: So, Maria, this would be a good place to ask you,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: because you said that you were watching and you were
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: paying attention to Ryaner's work, how did you feel when
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: you started to listen to the evidence being brought to
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Why say, what did you learn from that?
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: I was I just was happy because he confirmed what
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: I felt, and he interviewed so many experts, really experts,
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: and so for me it was all the time. It
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: was a confirmation. But I needed to hear, you, hear
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: this from from somebody outside my family or whatever, because
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: I didn't know people who were speaking about this, and
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: so he did. It was for me so such a
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: good thing to hear that somebody was was doing this job,
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: because it's really important to that that people knows what
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: is really about and and it's acting. And but yes,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: conscious consciousness of this.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Event event. Yes, you said to me earlier this morning
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: that lockdown had been very difficult for communities in Switzerland,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: but in your particular community, you felt that it started
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: to bring people together, and you talked about a feeling
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: that people came closer between the community in Switzerland and
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: some of the German community that you ordered with.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: Yes, we didn't have so strong lockdown like other countries,
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: but it was the occasion to to to meet us
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: and to speak about this. And uh, there was an association,
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: it's an association, Uh, friends of Constitution and so I
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: I meet them and we wanted to protect our fundamental
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: rights and because lowdown it's against the fundamental rights and
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: and so we met together even with Geran, the German
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: part on the s the French part of Switzerland, and
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: we we fight it against.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: The new law they they did for COVID COVID law.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: We didn't have I have much success, but even there
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: was forty percent of Swiss people bought it against this law.
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: This is very interesting that we talk about people coming together.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: The lockdown period in the United Kingdom was very difficult
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people found out a very difficult environment.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: When the UK column was put on social events or
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: has been president of public events. At every event we've
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: been to over the last two years, people approach us
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: and tell us how bad the lockdown was and how
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: difficult it was to them. And some of the people
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: have said to us that they don't think they would
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: be here, they would be alive if they hadn't been
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: listening to the reports that we were making.
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: Was very important, yes, and.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Of course Right was one of the people who was
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: standing up to give people a sense of what was
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: real and what was not real. And so what was
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: right and what was wrong? So to me, at least
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: in the beginning, he was doing a very very important job. Yes,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: I'm impacted on you, and it would appear that it's
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: impacted through on a wider community of people.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: Yes, of course I am so grateful, not just for
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: me because I knew already many things, but for other
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: people who didn't know on the and they were feared.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: So it was like.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Calming down. It's not so.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: There is not a ladle Myrals. There is other things
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: that are more scary than a virus.
• 53:31
  Speaker 7: Statement by the Defense Council for Dr Ryana Filmich, eleventh
• 53:35
  Speaker 7: of June twenty twenty six. Four proceedings are currently active.
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: One the appeal on points of law before the Federal
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: Court of Justice in Leipzig against the judgment of April
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: twenty fourth, twenty twenty five.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Two.
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: A motion for judicial review of detention addressed to the
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: Gottingen Regional Court is to be filed on June the twelfth,
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: twenty twenty six. This motion argues in particular for doctor
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: Fulmick's release, given that he has already served nearly two
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: thirds of the sentenced imposed upon him. Three. An application
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: for an interim order filed on May twenty eighth, twenty
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: twenty six, with the Hangover Regional Court, seeking doctor Fulmick's
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: release from custody on the grounds of state perpetuated in
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: justice committed against him. The court rejected this application in
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: a ruling issued the same day. An immediate appeal against
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: his decision was initiated today four a civil lawsuit against
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: the State of Lower Saxony, which was also filed on
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: May twenty eighth, twenty twenty six. In this case, two,
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: the client seeks release and a declaration that the State
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: of Lower Saxony is liable to pay him damages. It
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: should also be noted that our client may face further
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: proceedings regarding the same matter of Corona Investigation Committee. The
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: judgment of the Federal Court of Justice is therefore crucial.
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: We have no influence over the speed of the court
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: proceedings and must consequently wait, we hope, for a decision
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: in July twenty twenty six. Last week, the Higher Regional
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: Court of Bronschweig ruled in favor of a telecommunications complaint
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: filed by Attorney Katchiaurma. This gives the defense team a
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: positive outlook. The primary legal arguments in the aforementioned proceedings
• 55:26
  Speaker 7: center firstly on the Gottingen criminal courts in correct assessment
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: of the corporate background of the Corona Committee, and secondly,
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: and most significantly, on the fact that doctor Fulmich is
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: an individual being persecuted by German authorities for his political work.
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: There is now clear evidence that the so called deportation
• 55:46
  Speaker 7: was in reality an abduction orchestrated by the German state
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: through indirect perpetration. We will not accept this, which is
• 55:54
  Speaker 7: why we are very pleased to have the support of
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: the US authorities. Now it is safe to assume that
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: the political pressure from the USA is highly uncomfortable and
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: above all embarrassing for the German state. Given Germany's notoriously
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: bitter and shameful history regarding political persecution. The prohibition of
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: political persecution enshrined in the German basic law, logically entails
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: that the political persecution of German citizens by German authorities
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: while abroad is equally unlawful. The defense anticipates that our
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: client will very soon be vindicated and will then return
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: to his core legal practice the law of damages, a
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: prospect that may well prove uncomfortable for certain individuals and institutions,
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: yet will restore the values of truth and justice to
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: their rightful prominence, and that is a good thing.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm here with my guest Michael Reichel, and
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: the subjects is going to be Rhina Fulmick, and we're
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: going to be discussing not only the events around his
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: trial and incarceration in prison currently in Bremaforda in Germany,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: but we're also going to be discussing some of the
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: reporting that's gone on around Rhiner and not only his imprisonment,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: but of course what he did in setting up the
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Corona Investigative Committee. So Michael, welcome, Thank you very much
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: for joining me this morning.
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: Thank you so much. Brian, it's a pleasure to be
• 57:46
  Speaker 6: with you.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Can I ask if you start off by just telling
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: the audience a little bit about yourself. You've been in business,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: you're retired I think at the moment, but just give
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: us a little bit more about yourself.
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: Well, let me begin by saying that I don't really
• 58:04
  Speaker 6: like the word retiring because I've been an entrepreneur all
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: my life and it's with me all the time. So yes,
• 58:12
  Speaker 6: I've slowed down doing the entrepreneurial work, but I also
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: felt that it was time to sort of offer my
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: services to the good of mankind. And having been part
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: of this Corona matter right from the start, I felt that, well,
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: Ryner is in trouble, we need to do our duty.
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: So that's basically it. I'm an engineer in the background,
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: so most of my entrepreneurial work has been in science.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: Right, And I think this is important because you come
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: completely from a business and professional background, and yet what
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: you've just expressed is the fact that you feel from
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: a from a human perspective, you feel the need to
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: not only be doing more than that, but specifically you
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: felt the need to engage in order to try and
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: and help Reiner in the situation in which he's which
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: he now is. So I think this is a very
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: important starting point, and I'll just come back to you
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: by saying that, having recently been able to go to
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: Germany and visit Reiner, I was struck in talking to
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: siber and another lady with her called Maria, with the
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: with the passion they have for seeing the truth coming
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: out and also trying to help Reiner in his situation.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: So it's clear that that Reiner has lisited a or
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: created a lot of emotional support in in many people.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: And I think this is very interesting.
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: Yes, I agree to it's just something. It's not just
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: a sense of duty. I think it's a calling because
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: if you put what happened to Ryan in the European
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: or even global perspective, if we don't stand up now,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: it might be too late in the near future. So
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 6: it really boils down to something that some of us
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 6: have to do now. Not everyone feels the same, and
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: it brings us to more social behavior kind of issues.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: But the ones of us who have seen the truth,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: we must act on it. I don't think there is
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: any other option.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it's a very important point. And also
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I'll smile and say that I am here now will
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: reveal the secrets. I'm going to be seventy two this
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: year and I'm still effectively working full time. But it's
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: because I enjoy what I do and I get satisfaction
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: out of it. But yes, also I feel this need
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: to be doing what I'm doing because we're living in
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: very important and dangerous times. So I think it's beholden
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: on as many people as possible to be doing their
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: best with their fellow man as opposed to just becoming
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: or getting enjoyment from the golf course and spending money.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you really raise an important issue because I think
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: that having thought through this many many times, people younger
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 6: than let's say fifty years of fifty plus don't have
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 6: the same scope of reference that you and I have,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 6: an indie driiner of how society has changed during our lifetime.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: At least we had the illusion of democracy and the
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 6: rule of law and so on. And this is all
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: we're asking for is for it to be upheld so
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: we can see this has been in serious decline and
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: I don't want to leave this world and not having
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: done what I can.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an important point. And of course when children
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: come along and grandchildren, you feel this even more strongly
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: that you certainly don't want people to be pointing a
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: finger at you and saying why didn't you do something?
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: So I completely understand this.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: And is a fact of you know, the fifty to
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: fifty plus age not having the same awareness of what's
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: going on. And it increases our duty to do something
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 6: about it because we are aware of it.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and the change has been enormous. I during
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: my trip to Germany. I was having some conversations about
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: the change, the changes that have happened in the United Kingdom,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: in England and for me the last twenty twenty five years,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: the change is extraordinary. And probably one of the best
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: reflections on this is occasionally I've been contacted by expat
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: so they may be English or Welsh or Scotts, but
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: they've been living abroad for many years and then they've
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: come back to England and they are just astonished at
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: how society looks and how it behaves. One man in particular,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: spend a lot of time in India and he said
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: he just could not believe the change in UK. So, yeah,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: we've lived through some some really significant events. Okay, well,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: let's let's get into rhina Fulmick, how did you how
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: did you get interested in his case and how did
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: you get how did you start to get involved in
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: helping him in the current times?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 6: Well as for many of us, I think he was
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: beacon of hope when this this pandemic disasters began rolling out.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: Now I was already trigger, you know, I was cocked
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: and ready to fire off. Basically because as a scientist
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 6: I had seen the nonsense about the climate. And then
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 6: when this pandemic happened, Rhiner and his work became like
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: a beacon of hope. So me and my wife who
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: were watching, came what Rhine did with all the people
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: he interviewed, and that was very very important. I can
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: also understand why people saw this his work as this
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: beacon of hope and were the only thing they could
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: do because their own societies had failed to support them.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 6: They actually sent him the money so he could start
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: doing something productive, and I think we'll return to that
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: fact later on in the talks that we're going to
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: have here.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, that alone is a very important point because people
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: don't give up money easily if you're trying to do
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: something in a positive sense in challenge the state or
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: challenging the system. So when people start to contribute in
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: large numbers, that immediately makes a statement that what you
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: are doing is clearly important to them and they place
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: value in it and they want to help. So that's
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: significant I think for me.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah. And then the final straw I would say was
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: when he was suddenly locked up, taken and then locked up,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: and I began following this legal procedure that was in
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: German and the information that came out during the court
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: proceedings was kind of it was sparse. So I started,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: actually May sending him quite long letters, you know, telling
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: him what I thought and was going on around the world,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: the nonsense and so on and so on. And I
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: had sent about seventeen or eighteen very long letters, three
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: to nine pages. And I also noted that that many
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: many others sent him that he has no he has no.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: I don't think he had any has had any problem
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: with it three times, so to say, in jail. But
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 6: then I started wondering what is actually going on here
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: because there's a complexity in this legal procedure that I
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: didn't understand, and it's also in legal German. So I
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: did an in depth studies. I would, you know, any
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 6: other projects I get into in my line of work,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 6: you need to have background and facts. It's a bit
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: of a scientific process basically. And I also employed the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 6: use of AI as I had very good experience with
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: using that in the in the past. And I sent
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 6: Ryner this report or analysis more more you know, as
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: an entertainment than anything else, I thought. But he came
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: back to me very quickly and said, Mike, this is
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 6: the best I've seen can you join the team? And
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: this was back in November twenty five last year, and yes,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 6: now I'm fully on, fully in, fully on.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: This is this is really interesting point here that you
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: send him an analysis of if I've got this right,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: you send him an analysis of what is what has
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: happened around him? Is that that correct? Yes, right, and
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: he reads it and that it immediately resonates with him
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: it makes sense to him. Yes, this is very very
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: interesting for me because now having had the opportunity to
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: sit with Rhiner in prison and talked to him, I
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: have say to the audience very short time an hour,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: but the time you get there pleasantries and Ryaner of
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: course is very very keen to just talk and be normal,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: so that he needs because that's a safety vow for him.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: But that those pleasant trees, that takes up time, and
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: then you're left with probably about three quarters of an
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: hour maybe forty minutes to try and talk some serious things.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: And I could tell immediately that he was a man
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: under pressure. And it was very noticeable that he was
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: one man when we arrived and he was a different
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: man when we left. And what I mean by that
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: is clearly and understandably the visit, so I was there,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: but also two ladies who'd been supporting him for quite
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: some time were there, and the visit and the social
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: interaction intellectual discussion meant Rhina clearly felt better when we
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: got to the end of to the visit, and that
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: was very clear for me to see. But also in
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: asking him some questions, there were various things where clearly
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: it was difficult for Raina to describe what had happened
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: when he was talking to me about I'll say how
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: there had been a breakdown in his internal team. He
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: was finding it difficult to describe exactly what had happened,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: and that, in my opinion, was not him being guarded
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: in saying what did happen? That was simply that he
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: was finding it difficult to describe. And I'll add to
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: that this wasn't to do with his English, because his
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: English is exceptionally good. He was simply finding it difficult
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: to rationalize and explain what had taken place. And so
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: if you produced an analysis, Michael that he responded to,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: you were you'd got a very clear and interesting insight
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: into what had taken place.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: I would suggest, well, yes, and it's not that I
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 6: had any doubts, but I really had to understand in
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 6: more depth of the proceedings and what was going on,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: because there's information out there that can be confusing and
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: actually misleading, and we shall also forget that there's there's
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: definitely some sort of deformation going on, and so I
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 6: really had the urge to understand what's going on, and
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: since then I've been doing quite a lot of additional research.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 6: Is one, for instance, is how this one whose former
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 6: colleagues actually managed to lay his hands on the money
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: the proceedings from his house sale, which was significant in
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: actually convicting convicting in the conviction. So we might may
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 6: return to that if you ask me that question later on.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Perhaps this is a good place to start, if I may,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: because clearly a lot of people who are interested in
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: the Rhya formic case immediately home in on the money.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: He's in prison for embezzlement of all that wonderful money
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: that was given to help support the CIC work. That
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: is a focus of a lot of people, and that
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: then colors everything else that follows. So could we be
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: upfrontier and start off with talking about the money aspect
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: and what did and did not happen to the money
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: and what you've discovered about this because you've done all
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: the you've done all the research.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: Well, well, you know, money is always present in one
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: shape or form and whatever we do in life, and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: my experience in life is that money, money can really corrupt.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: And with that life lesson, I throw went into this
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: looking at it with a critical eye, and I'm really
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 6: trying to understand what's also written between the lines and
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: all these facts and circumstantial evidence that pops up, and
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: we can discuss money for quite a long time too.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: I think that if you begin at at the beginning
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: where c I S was founded, the it's unindisputable that
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: Rhiner was the moral magnet for for the funds that
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: came in. He was then in Cooteso or working with
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 6: Vivian Fisher, but Rhyiner was the one that that was
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: the public figure and his aura, if you want to
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: say that, because as you pointed out, he's very believable.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: He comes out as a warm and trustworthy person and
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: I think that came through in the media. So at
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: at that point in time people started sending him money.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 6: And with his history in banking, because he went into
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: predatory real estate financing in previous years. He was not
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: persona grata in the banking industry, and this is going
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: to come down and haunt him later on. As we talked,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: he had issues with putting money in some accounts somewhere,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: so they tried to do their best and eventually succeeded.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: But there was a lot of money coming in, a
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 6: lot of money. We're talking about many hundreds of thousands
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: of europe in the early days. All in all, we're
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: talking about three and off to maybe four million euro
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: that came into this in terms of donations.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: This is a very good starting point, and I will
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: add to it that when I was able to talk
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: to Rhina and we did just touch on some aspects
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: of the money. But clearly he was surprised at the
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: reaction for people. This was not something he set out
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: to set out for a campaign to raise money. He
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: didn't have to because the money flowed in, yes, and
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: in very large quantities.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: Yes. I think it is interesting to know that very fact.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 6: That's very interesting to dwell on for a moment because
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: what Rhiner in a sense did was assume the role
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: that our societies should have as a protection or as
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: an institute for making sure that democracy and human rights
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: are followed. So he more or less involuntarily took on that.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: At least people, you know, what can we do well?
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 6: So the only thing people could do, because they had
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: no law and democracy rights to all back on, they
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 6: actually sent him his money. I think this is one
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 6: of the reasons what happened, and that's this is why
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 6: he was so successful in doing that. And it was
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 6: all started Assay Foundation, so there was no there was
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 6: no irrationality or any investment going on at any point
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 6: in this in this early stage, it was just money
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 6: is coming and what are we're going to do with it?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: And at the same time he was so busy. He was,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: you know, working abroad in the US for this tour.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 6: He started the class action for for with with thousands
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 6: of companies, and also money came in there as well.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 6: So he was very, very busy, and his law firm,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 6: which he had now around seven employees in was fully
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: involved in supporting all all the practical matters, administration and
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 6: so on that was going on rapidly. Writing On top
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: of this, you had all the arrangement for the for
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: the podcast that they were doing technical technical making it
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 6: all work in the practical sense, and so on on.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: So it was very very busy.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: A lot of money comes in to an organization which
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: is which is already very busy in running the interviews
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: and those interviews with the experts that the professionals and
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: the experts that spoke out on the COVID nineteen plandemic
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: as many people would call it in the subsequent lockdown
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: that got into the hundreds of expert witnesses coming forward.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: I was also invited to give testimony, which I did
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: on the subject of applied behavioral psychology, which I think
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: the UK column had had had broken a story to
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: do with the use of applied psychology by the British
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: government to make people in this country more fearful at
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: that time in order that they were more compliant with
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: government policy. And we rapidly saw that these techniques were
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: actually being used in other companies. So I was invited
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: to give testimony, and I was very glad to do so.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: And at the time I was very impressed to see
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: the quality of the people that Rain and his team
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: had assembled. But of course they were doing that, they
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: were assembling the expert witnesses, they were taking testimony. They
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: were getting that record. At the same time, they were
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: also in the process of organizing themselves and trying to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: stabilize themselves as this thing got bigger. So I think
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: people tend to look in on see IC and what
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Reiner and Vivian Fisher were doing and think that it
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: was a sort of professional organization that was established and
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: it had people working for it, and it was all organized.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: But it was none of those things. This is my impression.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: It was none of those things. It was a group
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: of people trying to do their best, and what they
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: had started to do responded with the public, and therefore
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: there was this surge in support and also financial support.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: And that money was also a problem because it's one
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: thing to have donations of maybe ten twenty fifty thousand
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: euros coming in. That's one level of finance. But if
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: you're in the position where you've got hundreds of thousands
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: into the million plus, this is something that raises all
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: sorts of problems. How do you handle this money, where
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: do you bank it, how do you protect it? And
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: all of that was happening alongside the interviewing of witnesses.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: Correct yes, and coming back to the subject of how
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: money can corrupt. For some reason, Rhino Vivian felt that
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: they needed to have more directors in the company. In fact,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: the company was a very special type of early stage
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: formation of a company, and we can go into that
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: later on. But in the pursuit of finding new directors,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 6: one of Reiner's former colleagues or associates in the business
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: professor at law Marting forb He had a few students
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 6: that recently helped turned into lawyers that he recommended, and
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 6: consequently Antonia Fisher and just As Hoffman came on board.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: And we can see that in the in the videos
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 6: that there suddenly there were a couple of somewhat younger
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: persons there. They were very passive, and it turned out
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 6: they were completely passive. But it also turns out that
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: they were I would say, some kind of mole in
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: the system. They're the ones who turned against him and
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: filed the criminal, sorry initially civil complaint of embezzlement, and
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: that's when things started turning sideways.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: Michael, there's correct me if I've got this wrong, But
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: I believe that the first stage, with Raina and Vivian
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: Fisher getting some more help on the committee itself, they
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: I think it was Vivian wanted to get some scientists
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: actually involved with the CIC itself, and both she and
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: Ryna made I think it was mainly on Vivian's Fisher's side.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: She made efforts to bring in scientists, but they could
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: not get people of the right caliber, and they could
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: not get people to commit to the work. And then
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: when that had failed, that is the point at which
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: they they then said, well, there are some legal people
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: we could bring in. Yes, Have I got that correct?
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: Yes? And in fact, to duce this up a little bit,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 6: Rhiner asked to highly highly skilled and reputed lawyers to
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 6: come in, professors I believe in law. They came in,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 6: took a look, turned around, and went out again because
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 6: they weren't comfortable with Vivian Fisher. That is what Rhiner
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: has told me as well. So and again, all this
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 6: should be seen in the context of context of everything
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 6: being very very busy and very occupied, very urgent, and.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: There's also the business expression of recent years has been
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: on the job training that Ryana was doing what he
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: was doing, Yes, and he was clearly doing some really
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: excellent working bringing these experts together to testify. But the
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: environment in which he found himself was one which was
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: completely unique, So he would have been he would have
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: been absolutely learning and trying to feel his way in
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: the whole organization what they were doing, and also how
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: people reacted to him and what he was doing. And
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: I think this is a really important point for the
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: audience watching listening into this is that I can say,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: after working for twenty years, the twentieth year this year
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: with the UK column sending up a media organization to
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: try and counter the sheer propaganda and misinformation of the
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: mainstream media, We've learned so many times over the years
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: that nothing is quite what it seems. You will get
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: people who want to come and work, They volunteer to
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: come and work with you. You can explain that it's hard work.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: You can explain that it brings challenges because people people
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: can treat you very badly. They can expect you to
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: work twenty six hours a day for no pay in
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: order to provide them with the news and information they
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: think they deserve. So people can be really demanding and
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: sometimes very unpleasant. And I have seen people completely change
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: when they come into the real environment of what we've
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: been doing in a media organization. So I do not
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: find it very difficult to understand that when Reiner set
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: up this CIC, and he knew in doing that that
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: he was making a substantial challenge not only to the
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: German government in relation to COVID nineteen policy, but actually
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: to a globalist policy around how COVID nineteen was to
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: be handled the lockdown. He was absolutely putting himself at
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: risk and putting his head, to use an English expression,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: above the parapet yep.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 6: For sure. What you're saying is, I think anyone who
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: has started their own business, or as me being a
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: pathological business starter, will immediately under stand the challenges you
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 6: haven't and not underestimating what we touched upon previously is
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 6: that all these hygiene factors that you have to have
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: for for a business to work, they're they're the their degrees
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 6: for the machinery to run, and if you don't have that,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 6: it's going to get much much harder further on the line.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 6: So I think we can all picture how what kind
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 6: of challenges he had from the start, and how easy
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: it is to to to actually not be able to
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 6: solve them as quickly as they as he should. There's
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 6: a human factory, and that thing we really need to
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 6: to to to walk in his shoes to assess what
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 6: was going on. And this is important because what we
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 6: might be talking on later on here to have this context,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: to have have an understanding how the stage was set.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, can we just do a little bit more of
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: the the lawyers that came in.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 6: It was three in total, not only two, but it
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: turns out that they were actually a group of three,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: but only two directors came in Antonio Fisher and Justice Hoffmann.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: The third one Marcel Templin, He came in later on
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 6: when Ryaner started needed to he started his class action project,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 6: and that was a completely separate thing, isolated from from
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 6: from the Ico Crono shoots. In in order to have
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 6: someone to manage the escrow account, he put in this
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: this lawyer, Marcel Templin, so he was he was friends
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 6: with the other two, so of course he was fully
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 6: involved in in an informal sense, but formally he was.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: He was.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 6: Asked by by by Ryaner to to simply work as
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: a manager for an escrow account.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: And just just explain that escrow account. What was that
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: account for?
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 6: It was for the funds. Actually, it's the retainers, is
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: the correct word. That these thousand members of the class
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: action was wiring over to the special escrow account. Lawyers
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 6: have escrow accounts which are specifically protected in case the
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 6: lawyer goes bankrupt. So it's money that can't be touched.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: Right, So it right, Rynan has followed the correct procedure
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: which we expect him to as a lawyer himself, and
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: then he places another lawyer in charge of those funds.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: Yes, and this is a completely separate project from what
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 6: was going on on at c see.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, so if I think just jump back, you've mentioned
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: escrow account for the class action. Where did where did
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: Rhina put all of the donations that came in to
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: support the work of the committee.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 6: Early on in various accounts because he had problem establishing
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 6: accounts he shouldn't have, but it seemed like there was
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: so for a while his accountant actually had an account
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 6: where they put money in. And I don't have full
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 6: I caun't completely reply to you how how funds were
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: moved here and there, and at some point in time,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 6: I'm sure they also had a proper account. But the
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 6: early onset there was an issue with this simply too
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 6: much money coming in, and there's also the threat that
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 6: when you get money like this, banks were very observant
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: to money laundering. So money coming in like this raised
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 6: the eyes of some banks that an authorities, that you know,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 6: the warning flag that what's going on here. So there
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 6: was a complication there, But I'm not sure how much
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 6: this actually influenced the the later legal proceedings.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: And of course one of one of the problems with
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: this is spending the time to understand more requires a
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: lot of time, spending a lot of time with right
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: none of us are able to do that. So therefore,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: the picture as to what happened around the money in
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: the accounts at the moment is the picture that emerged
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: through the trial proceedings. Yes, and this is a this
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: is a point which you, you and many others are questioning,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: but I'll come to those in just a bit. With
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: regard to the banks, I'd like to add into that
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: that again, if the audience are listening into this and thinking, well,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: if there's something difficult with the accounts, this must have
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: been because it must have been Rhina's fault. But actually,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: over the last ten years, in particular, banks throughout the
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: West have become increasingly more onerous. Supposedly stopping international money
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: laundering and therefore greater checks and balances. But this has
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: grown to such a there has grown to the point
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: where I know of many businesses that have had major
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: problems trying to run normal business accounts with the normal
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: high street banks here in the UK, because the level
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: of questioning and and checks on an ordinary member of
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: the ordinary person living in the United Kingdom were impossible
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: for people to you know, pass the test, and so
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: bank accounts were delayed if you were trying to set
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: them up, or they were set up, and then when
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: money was passed into the accounts there were problems. This
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: is a common theme from businesses in UK, and I
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: believe that exactly the same problems have existed in Germany
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: with regard to banking, not.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 6: All European banks, I think as far as I know,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: and I know it does exist in other countries from
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 6: my own Sweeden, and I know it existed and still exists.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 6: Of course in Germany is what they call a miss
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: no more KYC, which is short for know your customer,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 6: And it is the fact the opposite, because if they
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 6: knew the customers, they would not need to enforce the
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 6: things that are doing. I think there's a plan behind
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 6: this of course.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: Well I can say operating as a director of a company,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: which I do in order in order to do that,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: and my full passport details are now recorded by the government,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: and I've no doubt the banks as well. So it's
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: gone over twenty years from a business somebody running a
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: business would know their bank by the fact that they
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: would meet the local manager of the bank to discuss
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: taking loans or what money was required for or where
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: money was going to come. That would be a personal
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: one to one meeting with your local bank manager. All
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: of that has now gone and you simply talk increasingly
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: via the via digital communications with ann known person in
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: the bank who makes assumptions about what people are doing
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: and this leads to problems. So this is a very
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: difficult banking environment. And Royna had a lot of money
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: coming in that was largely, well overwhelmingly money which the
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: government would perceive was being used to challenge it and
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: its policies.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 6: Yes, exactly, I think we have parallel experiences here. As
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: a business person, I've seen all these things as well.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: In fact, my banking relationship was with forty years in
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 6: the same bank and still there asking questions which are
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: highly personal and suggestive, not very morally proper, and the
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 6: banks used to be very proper at some point in time,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 6: but that seems to be gone completely.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, and we could perhaps say there's an increasing paranoia
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: over who the customer is.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, sorry, it lacks completely logic because the purpose
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: of this official purpose is to to avoid money laundering
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: and financing terrorism. Of course, we know everybody who follows
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 6: the news understands how how terrorism is financed and how
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 6: money laundering is is taking place, and it's not for
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 6: us for sure.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, just for clarification, because when when you I think
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: you said here, people might assume that you're actually in Germany.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: Can you can you just clarify where you are?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, I'm working from Sweden.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: Right, you're working from Sweden. But you've you have worked
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: extremely hard to delve into the German side of what's
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: happening around Rhina. Yes. Yes, it's a good learning experience,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: it is indeed. Yeah, the banks, there's another aspect to
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: the bank, and this is one that's come to the
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: four on certain substacks. But that is that Reiner, earlier
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: in his career challenged some of the major banks in
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Germany Deutsche Bank was one of them. And I found
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: it interesting to read so called academic research into Hina
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: which is attempted to say, well, he never got involved
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: in a legal sense in cases against these banks. This
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: is all untrue. But other people who have taken the
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: trouble to do some proper research have easily obtained German
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: reports talking about the cases against the banks, and Reiner
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: was involved in those cases. But for me, it's been
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: very interesting to see how people have jumped into reporting
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: on Raina. He's in prison, the German state has said
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: he's guilty of embezzlement, and therefore he is a bad
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: man and nothing that he has done is of value.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: I think this is a very callous way of investigating
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: the case.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 6: Yes, callous indeed, And I would say anyone who claims
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 6: to be a journalist saying such things that you're referring
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 6: to here is not a journalist, because journalism is well,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 6: I shouldn't tell you what it is. You are a journalist,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 6: and you're doing your work right now. But those critics,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: they have not done their own work, and in fact
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 6: it's homework that I, as a keyboard warrior, can very
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 6: very easily do and verify, So no, it doesn't hold
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 6: up for scrutiny. And it gets to the point when
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 6: you wonder why motivating these people to do such things.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 6: Are they paid by the opposition or is it just
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 6: to make money on coming up with anything stating anything,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 6: because some of them have their substacks and they are
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 6: indeed making money through a subscription. So most of that
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 6: is very seriously flawed when you start looking into it.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's a very interesting subject on its own. I've
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: mentioned the banks there in relation to how other people
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: have been reporting on Rhino. But scientology is another one
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: that has now come to the full accusations that he
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: was involved with scientology, when when the truth is that
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: he'd already fought in the course to clear his name
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: from these allegations with injunctions in place to support Rainer,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: he'd won his case. And then Athology is then brought
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: to the surface and gently manipulated as if as if
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: this was true.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: It must be intentional because that matter was laid to
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 6: laid to into a cough in a long long time ago.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 6: And then there's I had reason to look into it
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 6: and found a video statement that Rhine did. We transcribed
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 6: that into a document that's available. He made it very
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 6: very clear. In fact, there was an injunction by due
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 6: to legal process because at that point in town it
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 6: was a very elaborate defamation process for Reiner. And this
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 6: is going tens, ten to fifteen years back something like that. Anyway,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 6: a long time back when this happened. So that matter
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 6: is completely it has no meaning. Anyone who says anything
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: about Scientology and Rhiner, they're completely off it. So yeah,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 6: that one really.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: I introduced these two points early because these are some
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: of the hot topics we'll say out there now on
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: social media because of some of the reports that have
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: been written on Rhina have have definitely caught people's attention.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: And you know, he I'm going to use the word
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: allegedly because we still don't We still don't know exactly
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: what's happened, and the court investigation means we don't know
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: exactly what happened in relation to money in some circumstances.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: But so we have the money we have, we we
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: we have it's not true that he fought the banks
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: when it is true, and then we have the smear
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: that he was involved in Scientology, where when he proved
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: that he'd cleared his own name from those earlier allegations,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: so that there's a lot of derogatory comment about Rhina,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: which makes it difficult to actually get into the the
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: details of what did take place and the importance of
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: what is work. You you were remote from Rhina initially,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: and you you had enough. It appears to me you
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: had enough, well, you clearly did. You had enough confidence
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: to say I want to understand more. You've got in
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: touch with him in prison, and then you started to
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: investigate yourself. What would you say is the most important
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: thing that you've discovered around Rhiner's case.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 6: It's actually three things. And if you take if you're
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 6: back out of this and don't look too close to
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 6: the trees when you're in the forest, you look at
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 6: the forest as all what you can see are three things.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 6: One is the abduction from Mexico. The second is the
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 6: Eagle proceedings themselves, which are complex, but not really complex.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 6: I'll get back to that later on. The third one
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 6: is how Marcel Template and his other two colleagues managed
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 6: to lay their hands on the proceedings of the house sale,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 6: Reiner's final loss property that he managed to sell, and
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 6: he announced that he was going to sell it. And
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 6: the technicality is how that was possible for Marcel Templan
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 6: to basically lay hands on all of the proceeds. There
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 6: was a small sum that actually went to him or
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 6: his wife in fact. So those three together paints are
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 6: very very clear picture. To me, there's no doubt that
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 6: this was a political takedown, Absolutely no doubt whatsoever.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: And that point of view is logical in that the
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: body of evidence that Reiner brought together through the testimony
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: of the expert witnesses for the CIC, that was an
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: incredible amount of information of expert witness professional testimony which
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: was showing that what the German government and other governments
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: around the world were doing was itself criminal. I deliberately
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: use that word because it brings the whole thing into focus.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 6: So sorry, it was the criminal it is, and I
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 6: don't hesitate to use the word I'm using here. It
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: was an intentional genocide.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: I would agree with that description. In the period that
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: this see I See was running. One of the things
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: that Mike Robinson mccaullague at UK column did was he
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: worked with another man to take the official data of
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: vaccine adverse reactions which was being released for the public
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: by the MHRA, the Medicines and Health Regulation Authority. Each
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: week they were releasing data about the number of adverse
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: effects and what those adverse effects had been. And the
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: range was of course from death, blindness, deafness, all sorts
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: of paralysis, neurological problems and other problems. But the British
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: government was being exceptionally devious because when they released this data,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: it was released in a very haphazard form, which meant
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: that it was very difficult for people to search the
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: information and get an impression of trends. And Mike with
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: his team took the government data and brought it into
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: a searchable database which is still available and I'll make
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: sure there's a link for this interview. Put it in
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: a database that people could search. And what quickly became
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: apparent was the volume of damage being done to people
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: lives absolutely ruined, as in very very large numbers. What
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: was the British government's reaction to what we were doing.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: At a particular point when I think it was obvious
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: to them they knew that people were looking at this
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: searchable database, they simply stopped releasing the vaccine adverse effect data.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: It was called the Yellow card data here in UK,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: so Reiner was taking expert witness estimony saying that there
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: was something very very serious and dangerous happening. And in
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: UK in parallel, the UK column was showing via the
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: UK government's own data, the damage being inflicted on the population.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: So this is a criminal act by the governments.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 6: And as such, the power to conceal or remove one
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 6: of the largest sources of irritation I e. Reiner is
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 6: completely logical.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, here is this man. He was a nuisance. In
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: the beginning, it appeared he was a nuisance. But the
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: scale and quality of the work, the quality of the
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: evidence which he is compiling to show that government policy
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: is either erroneous or criminal. This this became dangerous to
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: the German government.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 6: Yes, and I think even on a higher level, even
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 6: the European level, I would say.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, well, of course that that would make sense. I
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: tend to forget a little bit now that if we're
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: talking Germany, I've got to, of course think about it
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: as Germany within the European Union political structure.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, it's a very short link to the EU
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 6: Commission and the level of what was going on in
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 6: terms of vaccines and so on, and the mandates and
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 6: so on. It all it's all in the same pot.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: And the state would have good reason for wanting this
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: man to be silenced. So we could say that if right,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: Reiner could be targeted for what he was doing, but
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: the government would be looking for any opportunity to stop
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: him doing what he was doing. So that could be
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: the ability to make an accusation over funding, that could
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: be an accusation over how his formal business structure was
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: set up. Any opportunity would be attractive to the German government.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 6: Yes, and I would I also like to say that
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 6: if this whole story became I mean in terms of scandal,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 6: let's use that word in terms of scandal, that's scandal,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 6: that this case is evidence of under normal functioning governments,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 6: it would take down the government. But why hasn't this happened.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 6: Why isn't legacy media exposing this? There's so much here
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 6: that is frightening, really frightening, because it's evidence of not
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 6: a democracy, but what's called the democrature, the illusion of democracy. Yes,
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 6: and yeah, so uh well, we're coming back to the
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 6: political angle here all the time.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: But of course the whole events were a political angle.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: And yes, was Hina was putting his head above the parapets,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: and that would have automatically made him a target of
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: the German and the European state. But in fact it
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: was globalist policy that was pushing the per An nineteen
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: narrative in the vaccines.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 6: But you said something quite trick to me, exposing Yes,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 6: you could say he was exposing. What was he exposing?
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 6: He was exposing his sense of justice as a morality,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 6: and that's what he was exposing. And you can't have
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 6: that in it salitarian system. It doesn't belong there. And
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 6: this is I think the core of the matter in
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 6: a sense. If we're going to talk about what we
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 6: are as humans.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, well we won't dwell on it. But I will
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: say that some of the so called analysis on his
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: case that I've read, I've been I've laughed at the
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: simplicity of the argument that everything that the German state
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: and the courts wrote is true and must be believed,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: and everything that Reiner has said is a lie and
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: can't be believed. And to see to see academics following
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: this line of investigation into a complex case as this is,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: I've found it to be astonishingly naive. You mentioned extradition
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: from Mexico. Tell us why that event was so significant.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 6: Well, because it was neither next tradition nor deportation. To
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 6: be deported, you'd have to, according to Mexican law, you
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: have to either enter the country illegally or committed a crime.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 6: Neither of this happened, so there was no legal there
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 6: was no legal ground for issuing a deportation order. Now
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: something was issued a paper which I have a copy
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: of in Mexican on Mexican official paper, that was as
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 6: a sort of deportation, but it was based on false accusation.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 6: And also the procedure for deportation was not the one
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 6: that was actually that actually happened. He was supposed to
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 6: be deported or delivered to the border crossing in Tijuana,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 6: you know, the one you see in all Hollywood films.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 6: That's the one he was supposed to be delivered to.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 6: So this and it's all fake because it was also
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 6: produced on the same day that it was captured basically,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 6: so it's totally fake. Then you have extradition, Well extradition
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 6: would be in act happening from Germany asking the the
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 6: Mexican authorities to locate him, arrest him and be collected
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 6: by German officials in Mexican and escorted back to Germany.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 6: That's physically what happened, but not by German officials but
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 6: Mexican officials, which makes it even more suspicious because that
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 6: was not supposed to happen either. And there's if that
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 6: would have been the case, formally, there would be hearing
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 6: required before that and it takes time to execute. But
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 6: instead we have a plesora of emails going on between
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 6: the German BKA and LKA and the German embassy in
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 6: Mexico on how to capture him, to learn him into
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 6: a situation where he could be taken and physically removed.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 6: It is an abduction. It's a state it's a state
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 6: organized abduction.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: To qualify this for people, just to put it in
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: some simpler language, this is effectively German secret services working
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: alongside the government in order to well they can cot
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: a plan to get Rhina out of Mexico.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 6: Yes, and there's no ambiguity here at all. This is
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 6: what happened, right I.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: I understand that there's some very interesting correspondence which has
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: emerged recently which which shows this collusion between the secret
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: services and the and the highest state to to take
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: Rhina from Mexico. This was suspected for a while, but
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: now the evidence is available on paper. I don't know
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: whether you can be any more specific, because I know
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: this is a very sensitive area inasmuch as it would
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: form a key component of future challenge by run against
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: his against his sentence.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, these documents are used in the civil and criminal
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 6: complaints that have been filed. I'm saying that vaguely because
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure where the civil complaint is actually filed
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 6: right now. Has been iterating for months, but it's all
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 6: in there, and it's clear evidence for anyone to see
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 6: and understand completely hard is what happened. I've actually made
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 6: an analysis on that as well, so it's pretty pretty
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 6: clear what was going on, is it? Again? There's no
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 6: ambiguity that this is what took place.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: And we can add to that that if Reiner was
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: Reiner was guilty of embezzling some money and he was overseas,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: this in itself would be unprecedented action for Germany to
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: recover somebody who most people in his supporters, his ring
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: of supporters, would say this should have been a civil
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: action against him, so to pull him out of for
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: the secret services to conspire with the German state to
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: pull Rhiner out of Mexico if he was just guilty
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: of embezzling some money. This is unprecedented in itself.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 6: Yes, well maybe for us it is. But maybe this
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 6: is the action of the German authorities that have been
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 6: going on for quite some time. One can speculate in
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 6: that because it seemed like when you look at how
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 6: this has happened, it seems like they're quite skilled in
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 6: doing this. And also the implication of this is that
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 6: this is not a handful of bureaucrats that decided let's
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 6: get him home. This must come from somewhere, an order
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 6: must have been issued. And this brings us to what's
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 6: called the what we call the dossier. And the dossier
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 6: was a document that was read very early on in
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 6: the criminal proceeding, sorry, in the in the court proceedings
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 6: by one of Reiner's lawyers, lawyer Martin Martin Schwab. No, no,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 6: Christophe Misserri, I'm sorry. He read this Dozier, which is
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 6: a couple of pages of a whistleblower that states basically
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 6: that this was organized from the from the beginning in
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 6: order to the they saw Rhiner as a threat to
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 6: democracy and he and he was and they were ordered
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 6: to construct proceedings to take him down.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: HM.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 6: So some people have said that is the court said
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 6: that this this document has no meaning because there's no
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 6: further evidence. So we let we can judge for ourselves
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 6: whether we think this is true or not.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the but the minimum is we now in
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: our discussion, we are now emphasizing the complications around this,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: around Rhina's case, and the fact that any individual it's
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: Rhina formack at the moment, but any individual who is
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: challenging the state on any topic good could be could
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: could face this type of suppression by the state. So
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: there are very very important facts of law and constitutional
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 1: issues around what has happened to.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 6: Hina oh a Plesora. We're not just talking about constitutional
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 6: violations and German law, but also ELU law. So there's
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 6: there are so many crimes committed by the state here
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 6: that it would take us days to go through. This
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 6: also require intimate knowledge about the legal the law the
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 6: law as such, so yes, very complex.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: The trial has come under heavy criticism from Rhina's core supporters,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: and in particular from supporters that were able to be
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: present during the trial. Yeah, because they say that they
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: were astonished by the whole conduct of the court. Would
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: would you like to comment on them at all?
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I'm just looking at some notes I have
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 6: on this particular subject. First of all, most of his
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 6: calls for for evidence where and witnesses were rejected, most
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 6: of them. What you know, how is this how is
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 6: this possible for anything like this going on? And the
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 6: fact that the prosecutor he was, he was confinally convicted
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 6: for something called androya, which is a breach of trust.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 6: And this is a very i can say, it's called
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 6: in German law, this is a very controversial laws. It's
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 6: a law called the paragraph two sixty six and the
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 6: prosecutors called it the Swiss army knife. If you want
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 6: to convict someone, this is the way to go because
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 6: it is so easy to do with anyone because it
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 6: really hinges on the judges interpretation, not not on the jury,
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 6: not on proof or anything. And this is exactly what happened.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 6: And troy and needs three conditions to be fulfilled for
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 6: to be able to convict somebody for it. And I'll
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 6: read read somebody, I'll read it to you. Term number
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 6: one is you have to have a legal you have
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 6: a legal duty to look after somebody someone else's money
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 6: or assets, as in this case the the foundation. So
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 6: there's a fiduciary duty and duty in doing that. And
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 6: the second one is if you reach that duty in
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 6: a way that is disloyal against the interests of the
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 6: owner or in this case it's the entity, the foundation.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 6: And the third one, your breach causes or at least
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 6: the risks of financial damage and you act intentional or
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 6: at least conditionally intentionally, these three conditions must be met.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 6: And this brings us to the very simple thing that
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 6: the fiduciary duty of Vivian Fisher and Ryan and was
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 6: to protect the assets of those funds that we talked
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 6: about early that I poured into the to the foundation.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 6: Why why did they need to protect them? Well, and
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 6: this is all well, very well documented. German authorities were
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 6: seizing the funds of all these doctors that were protecting
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 6: their their their patients from from jabbing uh and they
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 6: were seizing their assets. So it was, you know, the
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 6: trouble was breathing down their necks, basically the backs. So
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 6: what did they do well? It took out loans from
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 6: this foundation and formally formalized its with contracts, and Vivian
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 6: took out the loan, and Ryanie took out a loan
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 6: of about seven hundred thousand. So what he did was
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 6: not just simply put it in a different bank account,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 6: because that would have been traceable and seazible. So what
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 6: he did is invested it in his property and it
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 6: was used to improve the property for the purpose of
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 6: selling it later on, which he did. And another part
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 6: of the of the funds were converted to gold and
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 6: held in escrow in and still is in fact in Berlin.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 6: So you could say that they actually performed their fiduciary
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 6: due to protect the assets. But the court said, no,
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 6: this is a shamlan you used it for personal for
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 6: personal use and stone. The evidence is that this is embestlement.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 6: The problem is if they hadn't done this, it would
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 6: also be not fulfilling their fiduciary duty. So it's a
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 6: bit of a catch twenty two situation. Damned if you
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 6: do and then if you don't. And this is what
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 6: the entire case really hinged on. All the other stuff
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 6: is fluvii dust. It's just to me, I would say
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 6: that this rejection all the witnesses and documents and so on.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 6: This puts in the category of some sort of inquisition
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 6: and it rhymes entirely with the dossier said, construct a.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: Case effectively to bring him down, to stop him.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, and this is what it is about.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: Really, just to add a point in there that when
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: Reiner took the loan against his house, and the contractual arrangement,
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: as I understand it, was that when his house in
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: America was sold, that money would then be returned to
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: the CIC accounts. Yes, the house was sold. Reiner was
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: anticipating the money being put back, Yes, but it was
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: never put back, and Reiner never had that money.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: No.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 6: And this is now another thing that convolutes the whole case,
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 6: because Rhina declared very early on that I'm selling my
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 6: house and it was out on the market. He had
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 6: buyers for it already, actually, and he declared that the
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 6: proceeds from this house, which sold for one point three
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 6: million euros something like that, the proceeds would cover easily
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 6: this loan of seven hundred thousand. Now that I felt
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 6: that threat was over from the state, but he was
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 6: blocked from doing that, and the court did not did
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 6: not admit this fact in the legal proceedings, which is
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 6: another you know, can you believe it kind of remark,
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 6: how is this possible? So I don't know if you
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 6: want me to go into the details of how Marcel
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 6: Templin managed to lay his hands on this, and that
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 6: case in itself is quite complicated, but it involves premeditated
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 6: arrangement of accounts and so on, So this shows that
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 6: it was prepared to be done. And in this context
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 6: one might say that how could these people these because
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 6: you have the complaint by Antonia Fisher and Justice Hoffmann
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 6: alongside with this theft of money, how could this happen
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 6: without the authorities immediately being alerted and stopping this. Well,
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 6: my impression is that they had the the authorities turning
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 6: a blind eye to this, to what they're doing, so
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 6: they couldn't have done this in a normal functioning society.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 6: And or you know, this is too crazy, too much
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 6: money involved in this.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, looking into the case from the outside, which has
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: been of course my starting position until I suppose, until
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: I was actually able to meet ryd Or in person,
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: we've got very strange events. Is coming back to, perhaps
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: a little to what we talked at the start of
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: our conversation that strange things were happening that are very
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: difficult to explain, and you've made this core point here.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: How exactly did these individuals manage to take control of
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: the money, And even when they'd taken control of it,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: why wasn't the state interested in what they were doing?
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: And alongside that, we have the very strange situation that
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: Vivian Fisher had taken a smaller loan within the same
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: contractual arrangements as Rhiner. She had taken a smaller sum,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: but it was within the same contractual arrangements, and yet
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: she was never brought before the court. In fact, she was.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: She ultimately was testifying against Rhiner.
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 6: Yes she was, and of course it brings us to
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 6: the idea that maybe she was. She very promptly paid
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 6: the money back actually when things started heating up. Uh,
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 6: And I think she did that in order to not
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 6: have the same get into the same traps as Ryiner
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 6: was put in, because it's a trap in exchange for witnessing, right.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: But this was something that occurred to me. Had she
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: had she agreed, had there been a deal done that
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: she agreed to testify against Rhiner on the basis that
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 1: she wouldn't be prosecuted. If that had happens, there presumably
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: should have been an official court record of that fact,
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: But I've never heard anybody talking about an official agreement
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: to testify by Vivian Fisher to testify against Rhiner.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 6: Well, I wasn't there, and the the the judgment papers,
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 6: of course, only reflect what the court wants to be known.
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 6: But it's quite possible that that that this was the case,
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 6: that that she in exchange for witnessing she would not
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 6: be prosecuted. She if all things were proper, she has
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 6: committed the very same crimes as as Ryana as if
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 6: we were talking about breach of trust and troya case. Yes,
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 6: so why didn't the judge prosecute her as well?
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we don't know. We don't know the answer
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: to that. And the other the other factor which I
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: i'd like to mention, you have said quite rightly that
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: when when money appears, people can do strange things. But
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: when people get frightened, they can certainly do strange things.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: And my impression is from what people close to the
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: case and now told me, is that there was clearly
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: fear building up around the case. The state had got
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: CIC in its sights, Strange things were happening, People were
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: doing strange things, and I'm pretty sure that fear would
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: have been building inside the CIC team.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 6: Quite plausible, absolutely, particularly if you could feel the scent
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 6: of higher powers of being involved here, which was I
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 6: think quite evidence evident early on due to the anyone
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 6: who sat in on the corprosceedings who would have felt
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 6: that something's.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: Wrong here, highly significant that the court case takes place
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: in which Reiner is prevented from having the witnesses that
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: he wants to call to defend himself. Yes, then and
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: then we have the fact that at one particular point,
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: how do we say, the defense has has proven to
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: the court that the prosecution doesn't have a case, and
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: so what then happens is a new charge is created
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: against Rainer. We haven't y.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there was initially a different kind of to begin with.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 6: I mean when this first case, when the when when
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 6: someone higher up asked the lead prosecutor in getting in
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 6: where the court proceedings took place and where Ryaner formerly
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 6: was living, asked to take a look at if the
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 6: if she could prosecute she. She of course said no,
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 6: there's no legal foundation for any prosecution here, and the
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 6: case was was was was dismissed, and then that did
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 6: not suffice for those people up there somewhere, so they
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 6: they got a new prosecutor in from out of town
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 6: that was young and more malleable. I would say that
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 6: took up the very same facts of the case and
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 6: indeed could find reasons to go forward.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 6: Initially it was it was embezzlement, but androia is also
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 6: a sort of embezzlement. But as you point out, yes,
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 6: the defense managed to prove that the first case did
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 6: not stick, whereas not the prosecutor, but the judge changed
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 6: the the in the terms, which okay, maybe this is
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 6: common in German law, but I would say that would
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 6: be a scandal in Swedish or at least that you know,
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 6: how how why would the judge do that? I mean
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 6: would be the job of the prosecutor in that case,
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 6: but it.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: Would Michael, just come in here, because to me, this
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: is such such an important issue. First of all, can
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: you help set the scene a bit, because court cases
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: that take place in Europe are usually in front of
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: a judge or a panel of judges, but I believe
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: in some cases there can be a jury presence, but
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: not always. Now I'm not fully familiar with that aspect
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: to the law for Germany. Are you able to say
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: with accuracy what he was facing in court? It was
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: a panel of judges but there was no jury?
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 6: I don't think no, to my knowledge. Yes, I will
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 6: have to come back to you and I'll check it
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 6: and I'll get back to you and if it turns
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 6: out there was different, but no, yes, this is a
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 6: panel of judges.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: Right, And then I'm going to say, and of course
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: the judges ultimately are appointed vira if not a political system,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: through a politically approved system of the appointment of judges.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: And I'm very interested in this subject because I've been
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: following the attacks on our system of law. In the
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: United Kingdom. A retired judge, Lord Levison has now been
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: openly working on a report to remove juries from more
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: trials and to leave the judgment with the judge themselves,
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: the professional and we are reassured in a very condescending
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: way that we should trust the judge. But when you
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: ask a simple question and say, well, who appoints the judges,
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: it's the Judicial Appointments Commission. And then when you say, well,
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: who appoints the Judicial Appointments Commission. You find that very
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: quickly the web comes back into the political arena. So
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: the moment you do not have a jury of somebody's peers,
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: ordinary men and women, from the public, anything, anything is
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: possible within the court.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah. So what you're pointing out is that intentional or not,
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 6: we have a system problem here. There's something not working
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 6: in the system properly. And I think it becomes even
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 6: more piquant if you consider that the very government that
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 6: was seizing the funds from from these alternate doctors and
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 6: that Vivian and Ryn are acted upon, is the very
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 6: system that is convicting him. Yes, so oality, I don't
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 6: think so.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so the procedure is very strange. We have
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: a change in the panel of judges in order it
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: would appear to force through the prosecution under these under
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: the new charge, and we have the the fact that
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: a particular point the judge stopped all oral evidence, evidence
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: given in person by witnesses, that was stopped in the
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: court and everything had to be submitted on paper.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 6: Oh yes, that was another another trick in order for
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 6: the public. Because there was a lot of considerable public
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 6: attention from from during the proceedings. And one way to
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 6: make it harder would be to only allow written written
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 6: to go away from oral statements to written ones. And yeah,
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 6: you can everyone can imagine how that would help.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, And ultimately the trial progresses and Rynder is sentence
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: and many people have said to me, he's committed. Sorry,
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: he's convicted of a financial offense. The prison sentence was excessive.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 6: M Yes, okay, again I'm laming at this. Not only
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 6: was the prison sentence excessive, why was he in prison
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 6: before the trial, and why is he in prison after
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 6: the trial. This is he's not a murderer, he's not
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 6: an ex murderer, he's not a terrorist. It's under appeal.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 6: All of these things. You put it in one of
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 6: the bowls of justicia. It weighs very, very uneven to
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 6: the state. Here, it simply doesn't make any sense. The
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 6: only logic here is that, yes, they need to silence
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 6: and of course he was also silenced during the fall
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 6: and winter. Here his ability to make statements that he
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 6: did before were twarted. So now he writes them instead
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 6: and we convert them to an ai voice just to
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 6: beat the system. But the actions are the same and
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 6: the actions speak for themselves, I think yes.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: And of course he was further penalized inside prison by
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: spending six months in solitary confinement, which is I know
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: of one lady in UK who's the victim of child
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: abuse who was I think, well, I'm very sure has
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of information in her head which the British
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 1: state would not want revealed, and she spent nineteen months
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: in solitary confinement. But so we know that the Western
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: state uses solitary confinement to try and destroy or certainly
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: silence people have already been convicted. Rhina was able to
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: say to me in prison that it ended up where
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: he actually had prison warders. So the staff of the
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: prison saying to him, we do not know why you
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: are in solitary confinement. You need to start a challenge
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: against it. And I found that a very significant comment,
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: because he was showing that even the staff in the
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: prison didn't know why they were doing certain things to him.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: The implication, of course, is that a higher power was
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: telling the prison governor that the chief executive of the
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: prison I'm not sure what the term is in Germany,
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: would be telling him how Rhina was to be treated
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: in prison.
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 6: Yes, and the fact that a person can do such
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 6: things is scandalous in itself. It's not supposed to happen
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 6: in a modern society. So yes, that's also significant. Luckily,
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 6: and of course this prison down in getting in appears
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 6: to be a very terrible place to be in. This said,
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 6: where he is right now is quite decent, and your
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 6: own experience, I think would show that he is treated
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 6: very well as you should in a modern society prison
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 6: in the world, Yes, and not a dungeon.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: I'll add to that point because many people who've never
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: been inside a prison. I've been inside prisons. I've been
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: up to the highest security prisons in UK in order
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: to visit people. And I will say to the audience
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: that if you've never been inside a prison, you should go.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: You should go and and meet and sit with the prisoner.
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: There are many of them who are in prison who
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: have nobody to receive. They have no letters or telephone calls,
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: they don't have any family. So there are plenty of
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: good compassionate roles that people can do. But if you've
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: never been inside a prison, when you go, you realize
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: what the deprivation of liberty actually means, what it and
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: the terribly depressed, austereer atmosphere. For anybody to say that
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 1: being in prison is soft, this is ridiculous. And then,
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 1: of course you're inside a prison where your whole life,
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: your whole physical and mental safety, are in the hands
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: of a state which is increasingly revealing itself to be alice,
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: cruel and malicious. So prison is a very, very tough environment.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: And I've seen some comments from people on social media saying, oh, well,
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: he should rot in jail, and I'm thinking, you really
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: don't understand what you're talking about in respect of what
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: prison actually means. Yes, when I started to get involved
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 1: in Rhiner's case, and that was due to the enthusiasm
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: and the contact from supporters of Rhina saying to me, Brian,
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: you participate in the CIC committee, you gave witness to Rhiner.
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  Speaker 1: What's happened to him is wrong and you need to
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: pay attention. I started down that journey because I would say,
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: for a while, I had misgivings about what I was hearing,
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  Speaker 1: but we also had enough other cases and things going
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: on you cannot cover anything. But I was encouraged to
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 1: dip my toe into the Rhiner case, and when I
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: did that. I had no idea what had happened, what
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 1: had really happened. I'd heard all the rumors. He was
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: guilty and he was in prison, that was fact, But
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  Speaker 1: I didn't nearly know what was happened. So was I
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  Speaker 1: dealing with a criminal or was I dealing with a
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  Speaker 1: more complicated case where possibly Rhiner had made some decisions
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  Speaker 1: that weren't very wise and subsequently he had paid a
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 1: price for that. Before I say where my mind is
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: at the moment you came on board to support him,
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: You saw all the things that have been written about him,
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: he had been convicted, albeit with an appeal happening. What
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 1: is your feeling now, after all the research that you've
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: done and all the communications you've had with Reina? Is
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: this man a criminal? Is he somebody who was working
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: in a very tough environment who made a mistake, or
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 1: is he a man who has absolutely been framed and
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: taken down with the German state.
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  Speaker 6: Well to answer a question like that, I think we
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 6: have to look inside ourselves, which I have done, because
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 6: there is an abstract and the rational part of us
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  Speaker 6: that is acting on our minds all the time. And
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 6: if you're not friends with your own parts of how
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 6: you react to things. You might come to the wrong conclusion.
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 6: And the wrong conclusion would be to think that Reiner
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 6: has done something illegal. And even if he is subject,
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 6: you could say that, well, he was a sloppy business management,
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 6: even that I would forgive him. I'm not the one
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 6: to judge anyone here, because when you start a new business,
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 6: things are going to be ad hoc and that's the
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 6: only thing I think could you you could you could
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 6: claim him to have done. But he had also had
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 6: colleagues that should have done their duty. Colleagues should have
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 6: done their duties as well to make sure that the
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 6: books were in order. And I'm not saying the books
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 6: weren't in order, but I'm saying that everything would be
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 6: in order. In fact, they should have been part of
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 6: this fiduciary duty to protect the assets. Did they know?
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 6: They didn't, so in fact they are the criminals here,
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  Speaker 6: So no, by no. And then of course you have
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  Speaker 6: this what you just meant yourself, there is this emotional
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 6: part of one that that there's also a little fragment
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 6: of doubt. Could it be that he is the corn
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 6: man that some people say he is, And well, you
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 6: have to do your own homework. You have to satisfy
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 6: your curiosity for truth, and I think I've done that,
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 6: and I'm completely one convinced that this man is subject
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 6: to political takedown. He is completely entirely innocent. In fact,
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 6: we need him out to continue to continue the work
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 6: he started, and this is one of the driving forces here.
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  Speaker 1: So that's my reply, thank you very much for that.
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  Speaker 1: And my response then is to say that, yes, I
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: read what had been written. I found some of the
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 1: so called academic analysis simply so no eve in its structure,
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: to be unbelievable. And subsequently, when I've been able to
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: talk to an increasing number of people around the case,
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: some of whom were present during the court, I've come
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 1: to the position where this is I understand this is
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: not a simple case by any means, and we not
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 1: only do we not know all of the truth, it's
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: impossible for Rhina to get out facts and truth from
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 1: his point of view because he was denied in the
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: court and he was also suppressed from speaking out in prison.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: And it's also been very difficult for him to get
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 1: appropriate legal support because many people have said that the
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: legal team themselves, who was trying to defend him were
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: threatened at various stage is through the court case. So
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: I found myself before the visit with Ryana thinking, well, okay,
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 1: am I dealing with a criminal comban here. But he,
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 1: to my point of view, did some really excellent work
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 1: in challenging the state against some really state inspired crimes.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: But was he a criminal or was he a man
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 1: who came under pressure in doing what he was doing
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 1: where he made some decisions that with hindsight were not
• 2:27:31
  Speaker 1: good decisions and he's paid for that. And I have
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: witnessed in the UK over twenty years the UK government
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: committing heeneous crimes, including being involved in the torture of people.
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 1: So the state is capable of all sorts of things,
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 1: particularly if it's worried that the state is going to
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 1: be exposed. So I certainly came in with a simple
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: pathetic viewpoint that I could believe that Rhiner had been
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: targeted by the German state. When I was able to
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: meet him in person, that starts to change things because
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 1: you can get a feel for the person and how
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: they reacted, and very quickly Reiner demonstrated his passion for
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 1: the work that he'd been doing in the first place,
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 1: which was to get the truth out about what was happening,
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 1: and he also started to talk to me, and I
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 1: mentioned this at the start of our conversation again, when
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 1: he was almost struggling to explain how strange things became,
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 1: how people changed, how things happened. And maybe people in
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 1: the audience wouldn't pay much attention to that, but I did,
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 1: because I've also lived that life over twenty years. And
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: the other thing which Ryan had told me in person,
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 1: which I was very interested in, is that in his
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: early days he'd been involved into abuse child abuse cases
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 1: which involved ritualistic abuse, and when I mentioned them to him,
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 1: he said to me very quickly and in one of them,
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 1: I was threatened. And then he told me how he
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 1: was threatened. And as he said it to me, I
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 1: found myself thinking, Yes, this is an important case, and
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: that would be exactly how you were threatened. How can
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: I say this to you today, Michael, because over twenty years,
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 1: I've tried to help and I've been alongside some of
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: these very unpleasant cases of child abuse. And the reason
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 1: I focus in on this is that I could believe
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 1: that his work as a prosecutor in those ritualistic abuses
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 1: cases would have placed him under scrutiny from some very
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 1: unhappy and powerful people. Never mind that he then went
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 1: on to challenge very large banks in Germany. So my
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 1: visit started to bring this picture together. The other thing
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 1: that came across is that he's very trusting. He's very
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: personable and trusting, and I can easily believe that that
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 1: trust in other people, such an easy trust, readily given trust,
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 1: could have meant that he was vulnerable to the actions
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 1: of other people around him.
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, and that subject on trust is very interesting to
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 6: dig into. But what I can say, it's pretty obvious
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 6: to me, having done such mistakes myself, is that when
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 6: you build an organization, you only have an option to
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 6: trust other people because you cannot build the organization and
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 6: group unless you do. You have to give trust to
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 6: get it back. However, when you have there's sums of
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 6: money involved here, it attracts people that will abuse it.
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 6: That's a fact, and this is simplified put. I think
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 6: this is what happened here.
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, that is a really excellent point, and I think
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 1: is a very good point to end on. I'd like,
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 1: just as a last comment to say, I come back
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 1: to being astonished at the simplistic, and I actually think
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 1: the word is abusive. Articles written on this man, and
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 1: of course he can't defend himself properly. But if we say,
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 1: what did he do in the beginning? Did he show
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 1: to the world a vast body of evidence showing the
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 1: real dangers of what was going on with COVID nineteen policy,
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 1: the vaccination policy in lockdown? Absolutely he did. If he
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: did something wrong, he's then paid a terrible price for it.
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 1: But I think to see people who call themselves academics
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 1: just writing hit pieces, presumably to gain status with their
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 1: particular website or whatever it is, I find this intolerable.
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 1: I find it very sad. And if we don't investigate
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: the Rhina for case properly in depth, taking everything into account,
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 1: what is factual evidence, what is true, what's accurate? What
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 1: Rhina says and does not say, we're not doing our
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 1: job as either as journalists or investigators or as you say,
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 1: human beings. There's something more to this case than just
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 1: this lusty man ended up in prison.
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 6: Yes, again, I will endorse critical thinking any time of day.
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 6: What we have seen from these defamation sources is not
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 6: critical thinking. It is some other intent. But it's it
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 6: is actually counterproductive to trying to improve the society that
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 6: we are seeing now being the constructed. So it is
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 6: very it becomes worse than than just defamation because it
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 6: bears down on on what Rhyina represents. I mean, the
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 6: word hero is used in his name very often. But
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 6: this guy has stood up and he's taken a bullet
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 6: for us. We have to act on that.
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 1: Michael, thank you very much. An extent time, but it's
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 1: been really interesting, and I know you're still working. I
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 1: am still working on this case. There's a lot more
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: to talk about. But I think that was a really
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: fascinating discussion and I hope it's got a lot more
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 1: people thinking, well, maybe we need to think more about
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 1: what this case is about.
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, critical thinking with a big heart. Everything comes down
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 6: to what we are as humans.
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 1: Michael, thank you very much.
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 6: Thank you the same, Brian. It's been a pleasure, very enjoyable.
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 6: Thank you.