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BPS 475: The Art of Networking in Hollywood – Real Strategies That Work with Erman Baradi & Brandon Waites · Bulletproof Screenwriting™ Podcast

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  Speaker 3: Without further ado, I talk to two guys who have
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  Speaker 3: been named some of the best networkers out in Hollywood.
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  Speaker 3: These guys are both fantastic, and we talk a lot
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  Speaker 3: about networking, getting you're foot in the door, meeting people
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  Speaker 3: at parties. I mean not how do they attend parties,
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  Speaker 3: but they also throw their own parties with guests are
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  Speaker 3: Mom Broddi and Brandon Waits.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, growing up, I always had a strong interest
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  Speaker 5: in going to the movie theaters and watching movies, reading books,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, in my own imagination created creating that
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  Speaker 5: book within my own mind. And as I got older
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  Speaker 5: into the military, a lot of our off time we
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  Speaker 5: would watch movies. There's not much else to do, so
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  Speaker 5: I started watching movies over and over and at a
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  Speaker 5: certain point it's more like, Okay, what else can I
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  Speaker 5: learn about this movie? So I started doing you know,
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  Speaker 5: whether it's research or watching behind the scenes, and I
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  Speaker 5: just got more and more interested within the filmmaking aspect, producing, directing,
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  Speaker 5: all that. And while I was in the military, I
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  Speaker 5: actually had the opportunity to do security for the guys
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  Speaker 5: Michael Bay and his team for the Transformers movies, and
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  Speaker 5: that just basically kind of reinforced my interests. I was like,
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  Speaker 5: you know what, this is definitely what I want to do.
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  Speaker 5: And once I got out, I you know, started building
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  Speaker 5: my connections and one from there met Ramond and.
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  Speaker 4: We built a couple of companies and we're still pushing it.
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  Speaker 3: So when you were working with security for Michael Bay,
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  Speaker 3: was that like all the Transformers movies or just a
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  Speaker 3: particular one.
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  Speaker 5: Uh. It was the first one that was based out
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  Speaker 5: in Alan mcguardo, White Sands area, and then I ended
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  Speaker 5: up moving once I got out of the military and
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  Speaker 5: moved out here to you know, tooth On, Arizona at
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  Speaker 5: that time, and that started filming. I want to say
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  Speaker 5: it was the second one out here in the boneyard.
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  Speaker 5: So I was around for two of the films.
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  Speaker 3: Gotcha, gotch because I remember the the second one is
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  Speaker 3: the one where or maybe it was the third one
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  Speaker 3: where they went to Egypt, and I can't remember which
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  Speaker 3: transformers that is, but I remember they went to Egypt
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  Speaker 3: for one of them, and I just I just remember, well,
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  Speaker 3: well not just Egypt, but they I remember they were
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  Speaker 3: going to all of these different places like that. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm always just wondering, you know, about about security about
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  Speaker 3: places like that, because you brought it up, because you know,
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  Speaker 3: you see all these big, big productions and even when
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  Speaker 3: they're here in Philadelphia or in New York, you know,
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  Speaker 3: usually they have pas that are like guarding entrances and exits,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm they always thinking of myself, you got to
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  Speaker 3: have somebody else, you know, you know, a twenty year
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  Speaker 3: old PA telling you not to go down an alleyway
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  Speaker 3: or whatever is it sometimes just doesn't cut.
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  Speaker 4: It right, right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: What we did more so was security for the actual
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  Speaker 5: like aircraft and the flight lines, anything that was military related,
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  Speaker 5: making sure no one was going where they weren't supposed to,
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  Speaker 5: you know, certain parts of aircraft aren't supposed to be filmed,
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  Speaker 5: and then making sure the filmmakers aren't being bugged by,
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  Speaker 5: you know, anybody trying to get.
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  Speaker 4: On base just to see them. Yeah, so that was
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  Speaker 4: kind of my job at that time, gotcha.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's right.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I wasn't completely off base when I was talking
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  Speaker 3: about the PA because I was wonder because you mentioned
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  Speaker 3: the IAEA. You kept people off, you know, certain people
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  Speaker 3: off the out of their way, which is important. Really
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  Speaker 3: cool quick story. I was actually one time filming at
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  Speaker 3: a on an aircraft at a on an airstrip, and
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  Speaker 3: we got approached by one of the I hear what
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  Speaker 3: you even called, maybe a director of whatever, and she goes, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you guys have to stop filming at this particular time.
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  Speaker 3: And we said why and she goes, there's a VIP
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  Speaker 3: coming in. And so as we're filming, these two jets
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  Speaker 3: came in and then we were told that we absolutely
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  Speaker 3: had to end right now. And later on we found
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  Speaker 3: out Joe. That was Joe Biden coming in.
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  Speaker 4: Oh wow, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Where was was it on a military installation or no,
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  Speaker 5: it was.
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  Speaker 3: A it was a airport up here in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 4: Oh cool. Cool.
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  Speaker 3: So apparently, I mean I don't think he landed there.
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  Speaker 3: I think the airspace like everything had to be cleared out,
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  Speaker 3: or maybe he did because they said if we if
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  Speaker 3: we didn't leave, we're going we were gonna get stuck there.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, probably security was going to get super tight
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  Speaker 4: or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's when there's all the jets, like these
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  Speaker 3: are fighter jets, and I was like, oh, yeah, this
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  Speaker 3: isn't you know what I mean, this is kind of odd.
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  Speaker 3: So that's when I, uh, I we we just kind
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  Speaker 3: of broke down and left. But but yeah, that that's
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  Speaker 3: that's my one brush. And then then I later on
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  Speaker 3: I got to meet Joe Biden again at another event.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm sorry, that's a whole nother story. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think people want to hear me talk about Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, you're good.
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  Speaker 4: That's part another that's for another episode.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get the Joe Biden episode.
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  Speaker 4: So my question is, when you met him the second time,
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  Speaker 4: did you tell him thank you for interrupting your filming.
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  Speaker 3: I only got to shake his hand for you know,
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  Speaker 3: and it was like he was gone. I didn't get
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  Speaker 3: to talk to him or anything. So okay, yeah, because
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  Speaker 3: it was in passing and it was it was what
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  Speaker 3: what That's a whole nother story. Though, but uh, and
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  Speaker 3: then also joining us uh is Arman Erman. I want
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  Speaker 3: to say, uh, you know, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 3: coming on, because you and I have been back and forth,
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  Speaker 3: and you and I met even before I met Brandon.
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  Speaker 3: You and I have been talking back and forth.
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  Speaker 6: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And then I had on a mutual friend of ours
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  Speaker 3: who name excase me at the moment. Damn it, I
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  Speaker 3: always happen, Yeah, but who's I always do this. I
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  Speaker 3: always blank out when I'm interviewing people. But she and
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  Speaker 3: I were talking, and oh, this is gonna kill me.
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  Speaker 3: She's gonna murder me that. I can't remember her name
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  Speaker 3: right now. Anyways, what does she do? She she lives
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  Speaker 3: in Dallas. She's a consultant. She does uh Whitney Davis.
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  Speaker 3: They you go, Yeah, I said, tell I'm an excellent storyteller.
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  Speaker 3: Hey remember that that person you do that thing? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So that that one city, that one state.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that person she does that thing. Uh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So uh so she she kept saying when she was on,
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  Speaker 3: She's like, you got to have her mom on, you
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  Speaker 3: gotta have her mom on. So uh, I said, you
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  Speaker 3: know what, I've been friends with him for a while.
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  Speaker 3: I've been trying to get him on, but it's like
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  Speaker 3: we can never actually get our schedules to meet. We've
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  Speaker 3: been Twitter friends for what maybe five years now. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we we.
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  Speaker 4: Just kept like in passing, like hey, what are you
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  Speaker 4: doing this Saturday?
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  Speaker 3: Or you know, like.
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  Speaker 6: It's like we always miss each other, but hey, we
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  Speaker 6: we have each other now, so that's that's what's important.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's like two ships of the night, my friend.
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  Speaker 3: We were just constantly so uh yeah. So so we
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  Speaker 3: had I remember when I first met you on Twitter too,
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  Speaker 3: again the power of Twitter through networking, and I remember,
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  Speaker 3: you know, us going back and forth and uh now
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  Speaker 3: you know, and then we when uh you know, we
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  Speaker 3: got to talking again, uh pretty regularly, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: oh great, you know his his He's built up this following.
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  Speaker 3: I see all these awesome things are doing. And now
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad that we can actually talk because I want
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  Speaker 3: to actually, you know, we can sort of start getting
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  Speaker 3: into this stuff. But so I'm going to ask you
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  Speaker 3: the same question of mine, as you know, how did
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  Speaker 3: you get started in this whole, whole wacky world what
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  Speaker 3: we call the film industry.
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  Speaker 6: So I also had a curiosity in storytelling when I
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  Speaker 6: was a kid, I was just like anyone else in
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  Speaker 6: the ninety that was a big fan of power Injuries
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  Speaker 6: and all that stuff. So as a kid, I thought
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  Speaker 6: it'd be cool to be like that on TV. I
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  Speaker 6: thought I would want to be performer. So you know,
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  Speaker 6: I I would pertend with my brothers you know, at home,
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  Speaker 6: and be Powerngers and other kind of superheroes. Come sixth grade,
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  Speaker 6: I entered a very smart school for it was a
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  Speaker 6: magnet school, that is what we called it in Virginia Beach.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I.
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  Speaker 6: Found myself not so academically academically gifted as other people.
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  Speaker 6: So I kind of used the outlet of writing to
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  Speaker 6: get away, if that makes sense. And I was given
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  Speaker 6: the opportunity to join ACA class or other electives. But
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  Speaker 6: you know, I didn't see them a lot of Asian
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  Speaker 6: Americans on television, so I thought, okay, I probably need
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  Speaker 6: to go towards another route. So you know, I would
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  Speaker 6: be sitting there in math class and science class, and
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  Speaker 6: while other people writing formulas, I would be writing like
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  Speaker 6: stories in my notebook, you know. So I kind of
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  Speaker 6: cultivated my love of writing in middle school and then
• 9:55
  Speaker 6: in high school, all my all my English teachers were like, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you need to be a writer, he needs to pursue
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  Speaker 6: this more.
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  Speaker 6: So like every year they did say the exact same thing,
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  Speaker 6: and I be like okay. So I took their worse
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  Speaker 6: to consideration and I went to film school out of
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  Speaker 6: Virginia Beach. After film school, I you know, did a lot.
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  Speaker 6: I did some internships here and there in Virginia Beach
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  Speaker 6: and then it kind of led me to an internship
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  Speaker 6: in LA. So I went to Mosaic, which shares the
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  Speaker 6: same floor as Attlets Entertainment.
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  Speaker 3: So Alice.
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  Speaker 6: Alice Entertainment does all like the big movies like they
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  Speaker 6: just did Just League, they did Wonder Woman, they did
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  Speaker 6: the Dark Knight series. Mosaic was more so the literary
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  Speaker 6: slash management side, So I learned how to do script
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  Speaker 6: coverage there. I did a lot of script reading and
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  Speaker 6: then after that I went back to virgin To Beach
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  Speaker 6: and I hopped on social media and kind of created
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  Speaker 6: a name for myself on social media. So I created
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  Speaker 6: the name Erma on LA because it was kind of
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  Speaker 6: like a wink wink, nudge nudge. People think I was
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  Speaker 6: people thought I was in LA and I was not
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  Speaker 6: in La. So I'll get all these organizations contacting me
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  Speaker 6: because they thought through social media thought I was in LA.
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  Speaker 6: So there's these conferences, these screen night organizations ask him
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  Speaker 6: to hire me, and you know, I kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of play along.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, sure, I'll do this.
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  Speaker 6: So when I did the commerces, when I did other
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  Speaker 6: script coverage for other organizations, kind of segue into doing events,
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  Speaker 6: segueing into doing celebrity interviews and uh, interviewing filmmakers, et cetera.
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  Speaker 6: So all that kind of snowball into just a network
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  Speaker 6: of people. So I told myself, you know, before I
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  Speaker 6: moved to La. By the way, it took me five
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  Speaker 6: years before I moved to LA, I want to at
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  Speaker 6: least five hundred people. So that was my goal, was
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  Speaker 6: to just create a network of people because I know
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  Speaker 6: a lot of people kind of rush into the city
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  Speaker 6: without a plan with that knowing and body, and I
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  Speaker 6: was I was not going to be that person. So yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it took me a few years to just doball I network.
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  Speaker 6: So that's why I started doing events. You know, me
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  Speaker 6: and Brandon do a competition, screenwriting competitions, film making competitions.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a five year six five six year
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  Speaker 3: plan for me. Yeah, do you find that that's that
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  Speaker 3: that's kind of common where people just move to l
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  Speaker 3: A without a plan.
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  Speaker 6: I've I've had a lot of friends who lasted like
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  Speaker 6: a month, few months because you know, I get it.
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  Speaker 6: A lot of people just want to do it, you know,
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  Speaker 6: and it's hard for men because you know, I had nothing.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not talking bad about anybody, but some people come
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  Speaker 6: here to do the whole you know, a bartender thing,
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  Speaker 6: waitress thing, waiter thing, and they're miserable and they don't
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  Speaker 6: know anybody in the industry and they come out to
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  Speaker 6: these like you know, so like club events even like
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  Speaker 6: or they expect to meet like a producer at the bar.
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  Speaker 6: You know, they they it's funny and you know, and I,
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  Speaker 6: like I said, I wasn't gonna be that person.
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  Speaker 3: I want know people beforehand before coming out.
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  Speaker 6: So I just lad a foundation, you know, whether be
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  Speaker 6: social media, through events, through just asking people to take meetings.
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  Speaker 6: That was my foundation. Sorry, I did that for many
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  Speaker 6: years and uh it's it's been growing, it's been growing.
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  Speaker 6: So for other people who want to come to the city,
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  Speaker 6: I would just just have a plan, you know, or
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  Speaker 6: even network beforehand before coming out here, before you change
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  Speaker 6: your address, make sure you know quite a few people.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I know it's exactly what you mean.
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  Speaker 3: Or my I've had friends too who have moved out
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  Speaker 3: to la without a plan, and some of the lasted, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a couple of months, some lasted a week.
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  Speaker 3: I actually had a friend who moved out there for
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  Speaker 3: a week. He moved Yeah, yep, he actually flew out there,
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  Speaker 3: and he was like, I just got to do it
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  Speaker 3: on a whim. He like, just got all this stuff together.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't He didn't really know anybody per se. He
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  Speaker 3: had a few friends here and there, but they were
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  Speaker 3: on the same boat. They were all like struggling work
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  Speaker 3: as bartenders or whatever, hoping to meet somebody at a bar,
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  Speaker 3: just like you stay, you know, just like you said.
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  Speaker 3: And uh he was here for about here. He was
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  Speaker 3: there for about a week and then he said, uh,
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  Speaker 3: I just can't do it. He ran out of money,
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  Speaker 3: he he and uh he had nowhere else to go,
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  Speaker 3: and he actually got you got the plane ride back
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  Speaker 3: and that was it and has never been back.
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  Speaker 4: So this I know, Uh, oh good.
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  Speaker 3: No, I was gonna make a joke, but I was
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  Speaker 3: just gonna say the city. The city kind of crushed
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  Speaker 3: his soul. But oh no, yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 6: Ah a film fell Filmston of mine, who came to
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  Speaker 6: l A thought he had the best script ever said
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  Speaker 6: to himself, you know, I'm gonna get hired in the month.
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  Speaker 4: And a month went by and he nothing happens, so
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  Speaker 4: he left.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So well, you know, as we sort of talked about,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the the how, you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people have gone and and and experienced you know, the
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  Speaker 3: you know, the the the sort of the dark side
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  Speaker 3: of it. Have either of you, Brandon Orman, have either
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  Speaker 3: one of you had somebody who's actually going out there
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  Speaker 3: and gotten gotten you know, I hit or gotten I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what. Maybe in play I guess, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Have your eight either of you ever ever known somebody
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  Speaker 3: like that, who who's actually going out there and kind
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  Speaker 3: of struck old.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Actually, we've had a few people from our Michnology events
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  Speaker 5: that have you know, networked through our events and uh,
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  Speaker 5: just by doing that they've been able to secure some
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  Speaker 5: type of job.
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  Speaker 4: Orman.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if we're allowed to, you know, say
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  Speaker 5: names or anything. But if we are all as you say.
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  Speaker 6: I don't want to say Dave, but yeah, but uh,
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  Speaker 6: going off of what Brandon said, or we had somebody
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  Speaker 6: who come in for my home home city. She came
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  Speaker 6: in and a week after coming in she went to
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  Speaker 6: one of our events and well, behold, she got a
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  Speaker 6: she got an assistant position within actor that's pretty pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Well known nowadays because he can't see the event too.
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  Speaker 3: So not like that.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, we've we've been blessed to help people, to
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  Speaker 6: help people other people. But I do know somebody who
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: came out here, uh you know, having having the talents.
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: She she didn't shake goal right away, but me like
• 16:11
  Speaker 6: a year or two later, she got one of those
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: uh what do you call it? You know those comedy
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: troops that have those writing initiatives. It was one of
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: those things where she had like one of those writing
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: She became a member of one of those writing troops
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: based on her channels. So it can't happen. It can't happen,
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: And I'm not and I'm not saying that people. It
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: doesn't happen of some people, but a lot of people
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: just don't have plans. So so going back on that, yeah,
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: it's it is kind of does kind of crush you
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: here if you don't have any any goals lined up,
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: you know, like yeah, yeah, I.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Was gonna say.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: It could also be a lot of luck, you know,
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: being at the right place at the right time and
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: bumping into somebody who you know has the ability to
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: hire you, you know, out of Starbucks or whatever. So uh,
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: I recommend if you know anybody that either they're not
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: from more from LA or they are from LA, get
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: out to as many like networking events as possible because
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: you never know who you're gonna meet.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and dressed nicely. Yeah, you know, it's funny in mind.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: I remember one time I went to an event here
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: in Philadelphia and I was going to talk to this
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: to this person. Again, I'm not using any names or anything.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: It's just you know, all just a distant story. And
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: I ran into this person who I was going to
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: meet randomly because I looked for him when I got there,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: it wasn't there, you know. An hour or so went by,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: and finally as I was getting ready to leave, he
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: there he is. This guy was so belligerently drunk. The
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: bartender was trying to take his keys away from him,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: so he didn't try to drive home.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, yeah, don't do that.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: Don't do that at network in advancing, you know, Raman
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: and I kind of have a funny story and I'll
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: try to I'll try to make it quick so I
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: don't want to take up too much time, but just
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: to go off of you never know who you're gonna
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: meet and you never know where.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Armand myself and Arman, myself and another friend. We decided
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: to go see.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: A movie at the Arc Light in La and uh
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: we ended up you know after the.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Movie was War of the Worlds, right or no war?
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: The worlds were the Planet of the Apes, right, Arman.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So we finished the movie and we walk out
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: and I tell Herman, I have to good use the restroom.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: So I go to the restroom real quick.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: And while I'm in the restroom, he ends up texting me,
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: but I don't get his text because the service in the.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Little bathroom area. So I come walking out and he's like, hey, Man,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: he's over at the bar area.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: He's all excited, and I'm like, oho, I thought he
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: was talking about our friend who went to go validate
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: his parking and I was like, who our friend and
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: he's like, no, man, didn't you get my text?
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: And I was like no.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: And so we're walking up the stairs during this conversation
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: and he's like qt Quentin Tarantino and I'm like, no way.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Like I started shaking with excitement.
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: I look over and there's Quintin Garantino standing at the
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: bar with his fiance, and I mean, that was such
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: a cool opportunity. We hung out there for like thirty minutes,
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: We chatted, shook his hand, super cool, super cool moment.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: So was he actually approachable when he went up to him.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he totally was.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: He's gonna let me buy a drink for his fiance.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: But when she came back, she was in the restroom
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: as well. When she came back, he told her like, hey,
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: these guys are gonna buy these guys are gonna buy
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: you a drink, and she's like, no, no, it's all right,
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: I'm not thirsty. So you know, he, yeah, he came
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: over to us and told us like he don't worry
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: about it. So that was kind of a little letdown,
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: because you know, we saw as an opportunity to chat
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: with him some more once we brought the drink over.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: But funny story is after that happened, we kind of
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: like took the l We took the loss, and we
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: sat down for like thirty minutes trying to figure out
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: what's our next move? How do you play this? So
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: I sat there for thirty minutes, like just trying to
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: figure it out, and finally we we got the courage
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: again to reapproach him and say, hey, this is what
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: we do.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, we give him our business cards and then
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: we shook his hand one more time and we took off.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: We don't want to bug him too much, but he
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: was super approachable. He was cool. You know.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: I don't know if anyone's seen that clip of him where,
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: you know, I think it was up in.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: What's called Parks.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, up at Sundance where the Papa Rozzi's filming
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: him and he kind of goes off on the dude
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: at Starbucks, kind of pushes him.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: He's not like that.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, the dude just wants wants his own space.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: And I think he asked that dude, you know, hey,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: leave me alone, man, and the dude was kind of
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: antagonizing situation.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: He's not like that.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: You respect him like a human being and he's going
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: to treat you like when I asked him if I
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: could take a picture and he said he like he
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: appreciated that I was there. He definitely shake my hand,
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: but he didn't feel like taking pictures at the moment.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: So you know, I respected hit his wishes and I
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: didn't get punched.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Uh well, I mean you were in the Air Force,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: so Brian, and you can take care of yourself.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, yeah, definitely definitely.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Gonna say, like, you know, I don't know if they
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: if they're still doing the hand to hand or if
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: they're just going to all BJJ, but I'm sure the
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: way you hand yourself.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: Right Oh yeah, yeah, they teach you all that. My
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: career field with security forces, which people aren't familiar with that.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: In the Air Force, it's basically the MPs for the
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: Air Force Military Police. So yeah, we have to go
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: through all that training over at San Antonio. San Antonio's
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Air Force Base, which is also known as Lackland Air
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Force Base.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Randon gets only take on QT for sure. We
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: got to talk to the UFC see if we can
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: get this to happen. But but so let me just
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: ask you this. You guys, you know you did everything professional. Obviously,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: you don't want to be that person two that goes
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: up and says like, oh, here's my screenplay or here's
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: my movie pitch. You don't want to be that person, obviously,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: because the three of us know better than that. So
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: let me ask you this, just looking back on it,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: is there anything that you guys would have done differently?
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: One thing I would say, somebody like Quintin Tarantino. You know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: there's a handful of people in the film industry that
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: you know, I would love to meet just because I'm
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: a big fan, and I kind of I would say,
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: we probably approached him before we gathered our senses. We
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: were super excited, you know, you you're adrenaline takes over
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: and you kind of start shaking. So I would say,
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: take a deep breath, realize that there are people too,
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: you know, and approach them calm, Because I honestly Raman
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: can attest to this.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: I love Quinton's movies, pulp fiction with Sillord Dogs, Yeah, yeah,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Reservoir Dogs.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: I was trying to think of the one with Jamie
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Fox slipped my mind, right, yeah, Jangle and Chain. You know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: I love all those movies. So when I saw him,
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: I just I kind of like lost my senses. Instead
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: of being like a you know, a filmmaker who wants
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: to work with him one day, I became a fan
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: and I lost my senses for that moment. And instead
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: of you know, approaching him to talk about you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: like hey, I'm a filmmaker too, it was more so
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: like hey can I take a picture with you?
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Like I didn't know what to say. You know, I
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: kind of lost, I lost my brain for a moment.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: But like her mom said, like herman said, we sat
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: down at the tables near the bar where he was sitting,
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: and we kind of talked to each other and you know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: took deep breasts and figured out how we could reapproach
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: him professionally.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: And he was super cool.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: Uh. He he took our business cards, thanked us for
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: being in respectful to him and his his fiance tried
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: to give a muffin into our other friend that was there.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: So I mean, there, they're cool people.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: I would have for me, just going back on the
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: whole playing thing, we could have. I guess you know,
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: teamed up first and kind of strategized before approaching him
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: because Brandon, uh, Brandon calls me like, Brandon calls me
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: the less shy one of the the two. But for me,
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: like as a fan, I literally brand could tell you.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: I stood behind Brandon. I was like, Brandon, like I
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: can't talk to him right now, Like I'm sweating, like
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: my needs are shaking right now, dude. So Brandon, Brandon
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: had a bigger call that day. He approached and I
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: kind of stood behind him, like yeah what he said?
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: What he said?
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Like I was just super shy man.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah he was. He was my hype man
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: that day. Yeah, well he said, yeah, yeah, we we
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: want to take a picture.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: So preserve her mind. Was kind of like the flavor
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: of flave.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, I had friends who've actually on the pop.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Actually I have had people on the podcast who actually
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: work with with Quentin and and and and actually they
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: worked on Django together. Uh. And it was his name
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: was uh John Connor. Uh not the guy from Terminator,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: but uh Connor. He he actually worked in the Cowra
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: department for for Django, and uh he was like, yeah,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: QT is one of the greatest guys to work with.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: And uh, you know, he goes, he he knows his
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: stuff and he's just you know, he the days are
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: are long, but he goes. Everyone's having fun. He goes
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: like you know, Tarantino directs in his crazy way. He's energetic, uh,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: and he goes. He's just an awesome guy to you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: just in general to work with.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe it because when we met him, he
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: was the same way. He's like, oh, hey, guys, hey,
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: like like super excited to like meet it. So yeah, yeah,
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: you could buy her drink like like, I think that's
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: just how he is. He he has an energetic, uh
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: personality about him, whether he's actually shooting a film or
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: if he's you know, hanging out at the bar.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: He's just a really cool person. Yeah.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: I saw a scenes feature at one time of a
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: scene has shot for for uh not workers Dogs, pulp fiction.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: It's the twist scene and he's like beyond the camera
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: dancing himself. So like that that's type of personality we
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: want to work within the feature. You know, those types
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: of directors and producers and et cetera who have fun
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: while on set, not just like we're not just Milton
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: on set. You know, you do this, you do that,
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: but who can provide a really energetic fun atmosphere exactly?
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: So is there has there ever been another time though,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: like you've sure been going on to these network events
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: because you know, I wanted to talk to you guys about,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: you know, networking and hustling in Hollywood. I know, hustling
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: sometimes could be you know, a weird word. Uh, sometimes
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: it has a negative connotation, but I think it's a
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: good thing now. You know, when people say hustling, it's
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: not you know, it just means you're you're grinding it out,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: you're working, You're you're trying to pursue something. You know, Uh,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: you know. And that's what I wanted to talk to
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: you guys mainly about, is you know, hustling and networking
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: in Hollywood. And so just to sort of to to
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: just can continue this conversation. You know, what were some
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: of the things that you know, when you first got
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: to town, maybe that or even just networking online with
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: people like Arman you you mentioned this too or earlier
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: on about networking online. You know, what are some of
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: the things that that you've done or you do now
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: that really have benefited you, and just and just finding
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: and talking to people, like finding certain people to talk
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: to or even have people or even the best when
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: people reach out to you and say hey, or you know,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: hey Brandon herem on, I found you online. You know, like, so,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: so what are some of the tips that you could
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: share that of some stuff that's that's helped you out?
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah yeah from on yeah yeah, I'll go first.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: Just something that I've noticed, whether it's you know, people
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: reaching out to us because we are starting to produce projects, uh,
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: we're getting in contact with finance areas who want to
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: produce uh films that we're producing or whatever. The big
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: thing is when you reach out to somebody is don't
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: don't make it seem like you you just want to
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: use that person for the resources you need to be
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: more so, like you want to build a relationship or
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: friendship with that person. So like when Arman and I
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: first reached got together, Arman was holding a event, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: I could have been one of those people that just
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: you know, messaged her mon and was like, hey, Raman,
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: like can I can I get some tickets to your event?
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Like hook me up?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Dude.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: I wasn't like that I had message herman and I
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: was like, hey man, you know what, I'm actually a
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: student at one of you at your school in Virginia,
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: but I was taking the online masters program and we
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: from there, we just kept talking and we built a
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: friendship that turned into a partnership. So building a actual
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: relationship and not just trying to use somebody for their resources.
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: And that's a very guy tip I would I would share.
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and and going off of that, like people may
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: find a frustrating that build my pationship takes over.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: It takes time, but it does take time.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: You know, you're not gonna work with so ow and
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: cell because you messaged it one time and be like
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: hey can I work with you now? It's gonna it
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: takes It's gonna take a series of conversations before you
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: finally or with somebody.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: So that is very key what Brandon said.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: Another thing I would say is kind of like podcasts
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: like this, I I would take, even starting off, you know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: the last three or four years. I would take any interview,
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: no matter how big or small was, because if someone
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: wants to work, they can literally google me and see
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: my my history, my background. They can see in my
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: interview see who what I'm about. So if if someone
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: approaches you about an interview, no matter how big or small,
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: may feel, take it.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word for our sponsor
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: And uh yeah.
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: So when I reach out to this, when we when
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: we do events or do contest, when we do some outreach,
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: I say, hey, here's some background on us. You know,
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: would you like to do it with us or not?
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: And because of the fact that we have searchable names,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: it does go on our feet.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: So you know, you mentioned bigger, small. I mean, so
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: you've you've gotten so you're doing a pretty small interview
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: right now, Arman. But but so but no, no, yeah,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: yeah it's there. There's me and then there's like the
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Mark Maaron podcast, right so uh so, but no, it's
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: you know all king aside. You know, I realized that too,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Orman is uh you know, there's when I a couple
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: of years ago, when I was doing projects I I
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: and I I just sort of reached out and said, hey,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: you know what's out there because I didn't know and
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: there's so many people who wanted to me to come
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: on to do different things or do a podcast or
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: and that this is like it when it was still
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: in it and it's still in somewhat infant stages. And
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: they were, you know, different people who asked me to
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: do like, you know, articles or not articles, but like
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: an interview and it'd be written up and stuff like that.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: And you know, I started to realize when people are
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: going out to do projects like let's just say, you
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: you have a movie at armand and you're looking to
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: you know, get publicity for it and everything. You know,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: I think everybody wants to be in like the Hollywood
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: reporter of Variety.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: They also want to be on Mark Marron's podcast and
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: all this and that. But then I go on the
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: flip side and I say, you know, what if you
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: just did instead of just doing doing one interview to
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: hit like a million people, what if you did ten
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: interviews that did one hundred thousand each or twenty that
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: did ten thousand each. Do you see where I'm going
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: with this?
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: And I think you have more of a shot with
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: the ladder because you know, most of us don't have
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: friends that have you know, a million reaching whatevereverever they do,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: whether it be YouTube or podcasts. So I think that's
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: That's something that a lot of filmmakers, especially you know,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: indie filmmakers who have a budget of you know, let's
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: just say under what, under under four million or under
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: five I don't know, just's just use that as a
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: barometer if they have that. You know, usually there's a
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: market for that, there's a niche for that, and then
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: also there's a you know, there's a lot of different
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: ways you could play that in terms of going onto podcasts.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Even when I get pitched this podcast, it's I get
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: so many emails and that's why. And I'm like a
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: little nobody in Philadelphia. I couldn't even imagine what it
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: would be like to be like Mark Marin or Adam
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Carolla or any of these other guys. I mean, they
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: must get floored every every five seconds. That's so true. Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: But see also, if I was a celebrity and I
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: was approached by a podcast, like if that's brand new
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: and they had like maybe two listeners, I would actually
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: take it, because what if that podcast blew up because
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: of me? That I can be like, hey, I help
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: this new uh you know, media company blow up.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: So who knows, man, you might be able to get
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: like a big.
• 33:11
  Speaker 6: Time filmmaker one day, and they help your numbers grow
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: and they can be like, hey, I helped Dave Bull's
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: podcast become what it is today.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: I've actually reached out to a lot of people to
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: to kind of do that. Hopefully I end up being
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: the filmmaker that does it for myself, you know what
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: I mean. I could kind of.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Be like, there's a hey, there you go, you did better.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I like to be the guy who launched,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: you know, and then you kind of have the pot
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: you kind of live in both worlds because you know, again,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: he just trying, because I see people on lone of
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: the time. They're always trying to get like you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Kevin Smith or whoever on their podcast. And and by
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: the way, I think Quentin Tarantino, I think he's very
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: smart for acting on social media because because I think
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: he realizes if he got on there, it would be
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: nothing with people just pitching him with stuff. Oh jeez. Absolutely,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: so as we as we sort of talk you about,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: you know, and then you know that's what again, one
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: of the reasons it's it's it's one of the bad
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: spots of social media, you know. But but usually social media,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: you know, I always tell people it's a tool like
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: anything else, you know, so sometimes you can go really bad,
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: sometimes you can go really well. And that's why, you know,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of celebrities, though they get pitched
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: all the time, like I mean, Kevin Smith, uses it
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: to kind of sort of dialogue with people. Sometimes Tom
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Cruise just just talks one way, you know what I mean.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: It's so it's kind of, you know, everything is kind
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: of you know how you wield it. And you know,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: just before I forget, I wanted to mention too, where
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: mon I, you mentioned the people reaching out to you
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: on Twitter. I actually had somebody reach out to on
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Instagram and Instagram is solely becoming my favorite social media site.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: And I had this this company reach out to me
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: and they sell they help you get the real estate
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: company in Hollywood, and they started following me and I
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: follow them back and they reach out to me immediately.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: So it's like you know, an auto DM and right
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: off the bat there asking if you know I'm in
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: the market for a home out in Hollywood, and I'm
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: just thinking, I'm just I'm already I'm like, oh right,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: we're we're already getting the conversation just started and you
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: want me you want to sell me a three million
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: dollar home? All right, sounds great? Oh my god, wow people. Yeah,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: it was just funny, mane because I was like, you know,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: usually you have some kind of you know, I mean,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know, a pitch like that is really hard
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: to swallow. Be I'm like, hey, you want to buy
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: a house out in Hollywood. I'm like, no, what the hell.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: What's a hell of a way to start something. But yeah,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: because I had the writer of John Wick on on
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: the podcast, Derek Colstead and and Derek Nice, and Derek
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: was even joking about that. He goes, yeah, he goes
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: his wife before he wrote John Wick, was like, listen,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: you know, when you write something, we'll and sell it.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: We'll go and we'll buy a house in Malibu or whatever.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: And he goes, yeah, we went looking at a hell
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: after he sold John Wick and and they were starting
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: at like one point five for these little dinky houses
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: that were like absolutely nothing, and he's like, this is
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: one point five million dollars. Wow, you know what I mean.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: It's just like the real estate market. Yeah, it's just crazy.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: The real estate market is just crazy, man. It's just
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I just always find that stuff funny,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: especially because I saw there was a there was a
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: news story recently about this house and in California. It
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: was foreclosed on and it went for like one point
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: two million or something like that or something, and it
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: was like this little dinky house that was in total disrepair.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: But the real estate market out there is just in
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: such demand that that's that's how it's that that crappy
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: house sold. So it just it just goes to show you, man.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: But uh, you know, just as we get to talking
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: about networking, you know, Brandon, I want to ask you
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: and then I'm gonna throw the same question to you
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: or I'm on, you know, what was what? What was?
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: What is like the worst networking experience you've ever had?
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Who? Uh, that's a good question.
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: Can I think of anything? I mean, most of my
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: networking experiences have been pretty good. Uh Rman, can you
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: think of anything I've told you in the past that has.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Gone gone wrong for me?
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: I think, yeah, I know.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Everything's gone good.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: I I've never met personally like I don't have any
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: stories of me like messing up. But I will say this,
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: I this is something I witnessed firsthand. We had an
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: event back from my hometown in Virginia Beach two years
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: ago and one of the main speakers was at Lancas,
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: who was Oscar.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Nominated for trade out at Bompton.
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: So after the events, we had this mixer with all
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: the speakers and all the attendees, and you know, we're
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: fortunate to have all the speakers come out to actually
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: attend and then hang out with the attendee, so that
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: was cool.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: There was a person who approached a circle.
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: That Alan gathered, like you know, there's there's five speakers,
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: and so each speaker had like their own pocket of
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: people talking to them, and so Alan was talking to
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: somebody and or a group of people.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: And this random person I guess who continue the event.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: He approached him with a script in hand, not just
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: any script in hand, but it was crumpled up like
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: it was even like, first off, don't give someone your
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: script first and promost like in the middle of a conversation,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: but like it was like crumpled up, like stands all
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: over it.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: It was so un a professional. It was so bad.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: And Alan's looked at him like yeah, like I forget
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: what he said, but I can just imagine what was
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: going through his head, like wrong time, buddy, don't do
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: that ever, So that was like, that's a big no
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: note when when you literally give your script to somebody,
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: uh in the middle of mixer or middle of a conversation,
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: that's like the absolutely wrong way to do it. So
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: I'm I was very very about that. But that's a
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: funny start to tell, like looking back, Yeah, it's.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: The stories like that, you know, which I was kind
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: of you know, when I asked the question. I was
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: kind of looking for because even you know most of me,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: you know you and Brandon, I know you guys. You
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: know what you're doing, and obviously you're not gonna, you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: go off the deep end or anything. But usually when
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: you see other people at networking events, that's when things
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: start to go bad, especially when they're newbies and they're very,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: very desperate.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: I've just see I've seen the gamut of things happen,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: but really quickly. A funny, funny story speaking of Quentin Tarantino,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: a friend of mine ran into Tim Roth at a
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: networking event and and true story. This is a true story.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: My friend goes, my friend goes hey, he goes so
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: he meets Tim and wils I think it was his
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: manager or agent, and.
• 39:59
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• 40:05
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• 40:08
  Speaker 3: He goes, so what do you do? He goes, oh,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: I'm an agent manager and he goes, my my one
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: of my clients is here, Tim Roth, and he and
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: my friend says to Tim Roth, I shit you not.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: He goes, so what do you do? And Tim Roth
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: goes and tim and Tim Roth goes, I'm an actor.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: He goes, I've ever seen any of Quentin Tarantino's movies?
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: He goes, yeah, he goes, well, he goes, I'm I'm
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: pretty much all of them. And uh, my friend was like,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: oh really, so uh my friend tried to give Tim
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Roth his business card. He was no, no, no, I won't
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: take yours, but you can take mine. And Tim just
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: gave him his business card and that was it. I
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: told my friend he should. He should, you know, uh,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: whatever he has to do, even if he has to
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: write a snail mail letter, just say here you go say,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: remember me, I'm the guy who didn't know who you were.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: I think he was. I think he would have stuck
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: so out. You know what, I mean, I think he
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: would have been so memorable that I think Tim would
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: remembered him if you had said that to him.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: That I yeah, that would be a fantastic story or
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: or kind of a throat a callback, you know, like, uh, yeah, do.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: You remember you?
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: Because you're the guy who didn't remember who I was
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: And thanks for having the guts to to remind me that.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: He like you, that guy who doesn't know anything, all right,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: So oh yeah, I'm oh yeah.
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say, I think that's a great
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: story to tell, because when you are at those networking events,
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: you should you should do somewhat of your of your
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: research on the people that are going to be there.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: And you know, if you know somebody's name, you know, uh,
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: but you don't know what they look like.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Google him real quick.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, we have the amazing uh technology within our fingertips.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: You know, you have a phone type in you know, uh,
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: one of our good buddies.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: You could type in Jeff Hower.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: A lot of people, you.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: Know, they know his movies, but they might not know
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: who he is. He's the cod of Gerald's Game on Netflix,
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: or Oculus or Ouigi, Origin of Evil, and he's a
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: great guy, so you could hear that, Oh, Jeff Howard's
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: going to be at this event. You might not know
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: what he looks like, but before you walk into that event,
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: google his name. You see what he looks like. Then
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: you can walk up and not, you know, make the
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: mistake of actually bumping into Jeff Howard saying uh, what
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: do you do?
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: You know? And it makes you look a little more
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: professional if you.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: Know who these guys are, even though they're not as
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: famous as the guys in front of the cameras.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why people don't use the
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: internet more or you have your phone with you at
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: all times. Everyone has their phone with him at all times. Yeah, yeah, seriously,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: And I don't know why people don't use it more
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: when they're going to go talk to people. I mean,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: there was a thing here in Philadelphia for m Shyamalan,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: and like as soon as it was over and he
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: was coming off the stage, people were like asking him, like, Hey,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: how can I pitch you a script? This and that?
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: And he was you know, and he uses the answer, oh,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: just send it to my office. Well, you know, I
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: know exactly what's gonna happen with that script. If they've
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: ever send it where it's just gonna go right into
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: the shred her. So you know what I mean. But
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: it's just, you know what I mean, It's just it's
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: like they don't understand how anything works. And I think
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: that it's like someone's gonna read their screenplay right then
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: and there.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: It's just, uh, you know what I mean, Like they
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: just think that it's everyone's gonna stop whatever they're doing.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: And I had a friend of mine who was trying
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: to give a script to Lee Shreiver. I'm like, no,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: don't do that, Please don't do that. Don't just leave
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: him alone because they She was like, because they were
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: in the same place a couple of times. She goes,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I think he's in here. I think I'm gonna give
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: it to him, and I said, please don't, please don't
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: do it.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: That reminds me of the movie The Room with who
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: was it Jode Appetel's in that movie?
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: So painful?
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy. You have you seen The Room, Dave?
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. You remember the scene where he walks up
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: to Jodan Appatow who's having dinner, and he wants to
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: give them the script and Jeordie Apatil's like, I wouldn't
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: read you a script in a million.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: Years, like get out of here.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: You know, that's what it reminds me of is people
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: trying to do too much. And again it goes back
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: to what I said earlier, like if you somehow find
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: a way to build a relationship with these power movers
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: in Hollywood, like, oh, invite them out to coffee. You know,
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: that's a big thing that Arman and I do. Before
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: we ask them to do events or whatever, We'll ask
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: them if they'll meet.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Up for coffee.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: And what that does is it lets them see that,
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: you know, you're not just trying to make first contacts,
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: say hey, let me see you a script.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: You're saying, hey, let me buy you a coffee so
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: we could talk. I want to get to know you.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: And I'm not I'm not saying the odds are a
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: lot better, but that actually makes them more open to
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: meeting up with you if they have the time. A
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: lot of these guys are busy eleven months out of
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: the year, twelve months out of the year, they don't
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: have any time. But if they do, you know, they're
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: more than willing to meet for coffee and give advice.
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And the worst thing that you can say is no,
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: Like if they say no, let's say okay, well let
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: us know when you are let me know when you
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: are available, and I'd love to take you off your then.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: So yeah.
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: A lot of times it can be on town too busy,
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: or they're none or they're noundated with this current project,
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: like okay, well, hopefully next time when you're do you
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: have breathing when you do have time to breathe, and
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: let me know and I'll love to take you then.
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: And just continue that conversation, like even if they say no, like,
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: don't just drop off, don't just end it there. Make
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: sure you kind of just follow up just what is
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: the worst that could happen then them say no?
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: You know yeah, yeah.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: And another thing I want to say real quick is
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: that you don't just need to build those relationships with
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: the big producers, the big directors or whatnot.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Try to find out who their assistants are, who interns
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: for them.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: And build those relationships because most likely those guys are
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: going to move up in Hollywood. And if you already
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: have a friendship, you know with I don't know the
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: assistant to Steve Carroll. You know, that person might be
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: the next studio head or the next producer of Steve
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: Carroll's Steve Carroll's production company. I don't know, and it works.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, Dania Brunetti is.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: A big producer in Hollywood.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: He's done House of Cards, he's done Captain Phillips, and
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: one of my really good friends is his assistant, and
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: I think now he's his creative executive for companies. So,
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, you never know where those assistants, interns are
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: going to end up. A lot of people, you know,
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: see the assistant and they're like.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Oh, you're just his assistant.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: They don't realize how much work these guys put in
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: for these big A list producers, A list stars, directors,
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: and they get noticed and that gets them bigger jobs.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: So that's something else that I would I would share
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: definitely since.
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: Our point and everybody said it's too like everybody who's
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: been to our panels said, make sure you get well.
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: You make sure you get on the radar peak since
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: they will come bigger in the future and you are
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: technical gatekeepers to anything you do with their pod. You
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: send them an email if you're if you're not nice,
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: to them, they can literally block it.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: Also, agents, managers and problicists get along with them too
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: because they're the ones who are the team of uh
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: these power players, So make sure you have a good
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: relationship with them as well.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: You know, somebody once told me a tip, and I
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: want to get you guys, your your your guys opinion.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: That was excellent English, by the way. Uh I'm talking
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: as like you guys opinion. So I want to get
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: both of your opinions on this.
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: So many once told me that if you want to
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: get a screenplay to like, let's just say, a producer,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: a manager, an agent, that you should send it specifically
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: to the assistant first. And what I mean by that
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: is you actually address it to them and say, like
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: if I like, let's just say, uh, you know, Brandon,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: let's just say you were Orman's assistant and and you
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: know you and I addressed it and you said you
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: and I wrote in the email or I wrote in
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: the in you know whatever, and I said, you know,
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: mister Waits, I think this would be an excellent project
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: for your for your boss.
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: You know, mister Brady, you know, could you know if
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: you read this? I I I really think blah blah blah.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe even write something in the subject line just
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: to get to open the email, Like you know, this
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: has been script recommended by one of the script the
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: script reading services, and in the body you write, you
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: directly you make it right to them. That way, you're
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: it's and you are sincere about it. That way, you're
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: not just kind of like, you know, treating them like
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: sort of like a lackey, you know what I mean,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: and saying like, hey, look, I just want to get
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: to your boss. What do you think about that?
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: I think it's a good idea.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: Honestly, I think that you don't even have to mention, Like,
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: you know, if if I was Orman's assistant and you're
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: sending it to me, I don't even think you have
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: to mention Rman by sending it to me, because you
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: know that if it's good, I'm gonna get it into
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: Herman's Herman's hands, and if I get it into his
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: hands his assistant, then I'm going to get recognized for
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: finding the material. So you could send it to me, Like,
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: dear Brandon, I wrote this amazing script that I think
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: fits your guy's slate of films, and.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: I would like for you to check it out and
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: give me your feedback.
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: And you never mentioned Herman's name, and I feel like, Okay,
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: I'm being recognized. I'm his assistant and this person recognized
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: me as part of the company. And you know, I
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: read the script and I love it, and I'm gonna
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: reply back to you. You know what, I think this
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: has some potential and I'm gonna take it to Herman.
• 49:55
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• 50:02
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• 50:05
  Speaker 4: And uh, I think by doing that, you're right it.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: It develops a relationship with the assistant. It makes them
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: feel important as well, you know, because like Herman.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: Said, they are the gatekeepers.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: They are the guys who get the screenplays, they read
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: the screenplays.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: And they're the ones that tell their bosses whether they're
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: good or not.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: In addition to that, Country Present agree with Brandy.
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: In addition to that, I would go with these says
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: to two because if you go to the agent or
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: manager of Reson's gonna ask is you know I'm su
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: are you offering so? Because they can think of it
• 50:41
  Speaker 6: from the from the business aspect. But if you hit
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: up the assistant. Yeah what Brandon said, They may think, Okay,
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: well this script is fantastic, this is the system. I think,
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: this is my end. This is my way of getting
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: h getting bigger in the industry. So yeah, I think
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: it's smart to hit the assistants first. I actually did
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: a think about it that way until you mentioned it
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: and I was like, oh that makes sense. So uh yeah,
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: Ide agree with you guys on that one.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: So and just just to continue along with that too.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: Query letters, you know, I mean, you know you guys
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: have have you know, interned agencies. You guys have been
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: on always producers and now and you know, as you
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: guys have progressed in your careers, how have query do
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: queries letter? Like? Query letters? Do they still works as
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: well as they used to? Like if I were to
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: email somebody, you know, first off, if do they even
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: work still? And two if they do, like, what are
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: some of the things that that you've seen or her
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: or producers have said that I've actually gotten them to
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: either open up the email or the assistants to open
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: up the email rather And actually, you know, I think
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: that's the hardest part because I think I think you
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: see all these emails that are keep coming in. I mean,
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I remember talking to somebody at WAYM Morris Endeavor,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: and he said that he usually, you know, nine to
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: a percent of the time he just without even opening
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: He just clicks all on the uh on the side
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: panel that and just clicks the lead delete delete, delete delete,
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and doesn't even open them.
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think it depends on the how busy the
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: company is. You know, they're smaller production companies that are
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: very successful. I interned with Benderspink h At that time
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: it was called Benderspink under J. C.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Spink and Chris Bender.
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: They're the producers of Where the Millers, the Hangover movies,
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: a lot of comedies. They were also Oscar nominated for
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: a History of Violence. So I think one of the
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: important things is there's so many companies like that that
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: are successful but not really known, and by researching them,
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: seeing what type of genres they do, you can sing
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: those query letters and if if your screenplay matches their
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: slate of films, I think they would be open to it.
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: But you need to be able to ward your you know,
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: your your query and a certain way. It can't be
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: a whole bunch of roundling. You know, it has to
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: be short, sweet and to the point. When I entered there,
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: they did go through query letters, but there had to
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: be something within the meat of the email that interests them,
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: you know. And Venter Spink was known for mostly comedies.
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: Like I said, if they got I don't know, some
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: drama that didn't fit their their slate, they're not gonna
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: look at it. They're looking more for the stuff they
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: ever first look deal with New Line cinema, So they're
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: looking for films that Newline wants, you know what I mean.
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, And on that same note, yeah, to try
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: to be succinct as possible, don't make it a long
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: letter because obviously you know has time to read that,
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: you know, don't send an email. Don't send an email
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: with a message of like that's to take up like
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: you five to six paraoffs.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: They're not gonna have time for that. Absolutely don't. If
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: you're saying quer letter, don't attach a script already.
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: That's a big no note, Like, like the point of
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: the queer letter is to get the attention of it
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: of the person reading, not to already send your material.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: So that's a huge no no. And I've it's happened.
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: I've experienced that at at at Mosaic, you know when
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: I entered there, people doing that as a writer.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: I've done that in the past, to my mistake, but
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: you know I've grown from it.
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: But yeah, and on the same notes, Uh, for career layers,
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: I think they still do work.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: But you got to remember that people like w E.
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: They only they're gonna work with you if you already
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: had credits, if you already have a name. So if
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: you're a brand new to the industry, like you, try
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: not to send letters to agencies of that stature, you know,
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: c A, W M, E, T A.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: Aim for the smaller ones, aim for the bot ones,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: because there the ones who are still looking for talents,
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: you talents. So my advice is.
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: To go for the for the quote unquote smaller level
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: uh management companies and agencies.
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because once it gets into their hands, they're the
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: guy that they can take it up to those bigger
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: studios management companies.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And and that kind of leads in to my
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: next question. You know, you guys started the film Empire,
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: and you know there's a there's a writing contest.
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: You know that that's sort of that that sort of
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: it's kind of the nucleus of the whole of the
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: whole thing. And uh, somebody once also told me that
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: that the writing competitions are really what they look for
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: because they can see now if this writing piece can
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: stand out against all these other writers. Uh, you know,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: and that way you're not sending, you know, emails to
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: managers whoever, just saying, hey, read my screenplay because they
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: don't know if it sucks. I mean, let's be honest here, guys,
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: there's probably a good chance it does suck, you know
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: what I mean, like they you know, I remember there
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: was a you know, I mean, there's a guy on
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Twitter called the Bitter Screenwriter or the Bitter screen Reader,
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: and he just you know, he's seen so many of
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: these scripts. He's just like, what the hell is going
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: on here?
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: So so you know, that's why I think again, screwating competitions.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: I think that piece of advice is really good, just
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: making sure you focus on the on the writing competitions.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: But you know, just to just to go into that,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: you guys created the film Empire. Uh and and when
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: you guys decide the formal partnership, you know, what what
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: is you know, the the the your screenwriting competition aspect,
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: you know, you know what is was there? Did you
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: think that there was maybe a feel that there was
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: a need for, you know, a different kind of of
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: a screenwriting competition, you.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: Know what I mean?
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Like, so, so what was kind of the impetus to
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: create the Film Empire and the writing competition. A lot
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: of doing m.
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so being you know, doing events and all stuff
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: for people. That was one level of helping to network
• 56:37
  Speaker 6: and break in, right, having a face to face. We
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: wanted to take it up a notch and reach people
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: on a global scale. So because events are are very
• 56:45
  Speaker 6: brick and mortar, right, So when you do contests, literally
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: anyone from anyone in the world can can win and
• 56:51
  Speaker 6: take a meeting and take a Skype session with any
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: of the mentors.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: So what we wanted to do was mentor meetings. So
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: it's one thing.
• 56:58
  Speaker 6: To to win a contest get cash, right, awesome, Cool,
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: you got fifty hundred dollars.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: Awesome, you know that pays you your rent for the month.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: That's fantastic.
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: But we wanted to what we wanted to do was
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: have people already in the industry give feedback and mentor
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: beatings to our winners because it's it's it's more than
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: just a meeting. It's it's about cultivating their talents. And
• 57:23
  Speaker 6: our winners get to ask questions that they may not
• 57:26
  Speaker 6: have a chance to otherwise.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 57:29
  Speaker 6: For example, one of our mentors for our our very
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: recent mentor contest is Tomy Harper, who was formerly of
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: bad Robart bat Robot, but he executive producer for like
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: the Mission Possible films and the Star Wars films, et cetera.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: So on a on a.
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: Regular day, someone in London may not be able to
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: meet him right but through our contest, we break down
• 57:55
  Speaker 6: our wall. Our winner gets a chance to have a
• 57:58
  Speaker 6: skype session or in person meeting depending on where they're
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: located with people like him, because it allows them to
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: cultivate their their their talents and you know, ask questions
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: that they would have no the chance of doing so
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: in any other situation. So we want to give we
• 58:18
  Speaker 6: want to provide it a kind of a platform, if
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: you will, for blossooming from the filmmakers andu gerenators.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: That could use the extra push or advice from people
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: already working in the industry.
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the pick and the piggyback off of what
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: Ramon is saying and something that I said earlier. By
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: doing this, our winners are able to in their mentor meetings,
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: they're able to develop the relationship you know. Uh, instead
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: of you know, just bumping into them and saying, hey,
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: read my script. This is their opportunity to sit in
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: front of them build a relationship. If they hit it off,
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: who knows, uh, maybe the the producer of their meeting
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: was the script that they won through our contest, and
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: that producer now wants to produce their pilot or their
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: their feature film, or maybe just slice their attitude and
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: wants to hire them for some position. So our contest
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: mentor meetings is the opportunity to develop more intimate meetings
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: mentorships for our winners.
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: Not Yeah, the first thing, the first thing to any
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: the first thing to any readership is getting the room
• 59:30
  Speaker 6: with somebody.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: So where Brett said, even if they don't get their
• 59:36
  Speaker 6: script made per se from this producer or whoever their meeting,
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: they imagin something else for them.
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And the meetings are the mentor meetings are important.
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: That's the person's opportunity to provide a first impression, So
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: we're all about developing relationships.
• 59:55
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  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: That's how Arman and I both have.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: Started off and made our way to where we are
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: now within Hollywood. We're still young, we still have long
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: ways to go, but that's that's like the core of
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: where we've got where we are, and we're trying to
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: help other people that may have the screenplays that are
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: really good but don't have the opportunity to get in
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: a room.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: And we're opening those doors for those people.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: And I think that's the the the crux of all
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: this opening doors, you know what I mean. I think
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: that's this whole business of relationships. Hell, life is about relationships,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: and I think opening doors is one of the flip
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: parts of it exactly. So, so how can people enter
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: the screening competition?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: By the way, yes, either the film Empire dot com
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: or you can find us on film Freeway.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: On Filmfreway dot com is the platform we use.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: I think a lot of h festivals and contests used
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: as well, but definite check us out at the Film
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: Empire film Empire dot com.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm gonna link to that in the show
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: notes everybody you know at Dave Pools dot com. But
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: before we sort of kind of uh, before we get
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: to the parting thoughts, I just want to ask one
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: one final question Brandon and Urman. Is there anything so Brandon,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: I'll shoot you this this this question you first. Is
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: there anything that you'd like to say to sort of
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: port a period at the end of this whole conversation.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: No, I just really and I know I keep stressing it, Uh,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: to get into the industry, you gotta have thick skin.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: You have to be able to you got to be patient.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: One of our good buddies, uh, Adam Robatel, he's the
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: director of the Taking a Deborah Logan and a new
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: movie calling called Escape Room. I want to say when
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: we met him over at Blumbhouse also he didn't insidious
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: the last key.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: He told us that he'd been pushing for what ten
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: fifteen years are month? Yeah, and he said you have.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: To have a lot of patience. And it's been about
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: fifteen years.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: I want to say that he's finally getting his opportunities
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: doing Sony movie.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: Now he's pitching all over.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: Uh. Doors, I mean the doors have been open for him,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: But opportunities are just coming for him, and that's because
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: he's you know, he's pushed through the ups and downs
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: of being in the industry, and there's gonna be lots
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: of downs. There's gonna be days where you know, you
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: get an email from a producer that says, you know,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: leave me the excuse me one cus, leave me alone,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: you know A right, Okay, yeah, I mean I've gotten somewhere.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: Producer will be like, leave me the fuck alone, you know, uh,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: don't message me again.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: It happens, and it's gonna feel like a punch to
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: the stomach and it sucks.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: But yeah, the tough, the people who really want to
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: be in the industry, they're just gonna shrug that off
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: and go on to the next producer, to the next
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: director that they want to work with and try to
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: get into their door and develop a relationship with those guys.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: So develop those relationships.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: Have a thick skin. No, it's not gonna be easy.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: Just keep building relationships and those relationships.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: Are going to grow upon each other. So those are
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: probably my party awards.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: Do you think that's wise though, Like when if a
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: producer would say that, like, leave me the fuck alone
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: like he because you could be the next big thing
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: and you could come back and say, hey, you're the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: guy who told me to fuck off.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: I'm hoping. I'm hoping, but no, I don't see.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I the producer that I talked to.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: I want to say, use more so co producer or whatever.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: But you know, I'm not really gonna take that to heart.
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  Speaker 5: If I work with him someday, awesome, But.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe he was just having a bad day the day
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  Speaker 5: he told me that. But there's so many producers out
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  Speaker 5: there in Hollywood. A majority of them want to see
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  Speaker 5: other people succeed, people who are dedicated and want to
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  Speaker 5: be in this industry, and they're willing to talk to you.
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  Speaker 5: But I mean in every industry there's a jerk out there,
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  Speaker 5: and those jerks, you know their karma will come. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you just have to have that thick skin because you
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  Speaker 5: are going to get some emails from some rude people.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes you know it's going to happen, so just have
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  Speaker 5: that thick skin. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 6: It's funny because just like a few months ago, I
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  Speaker 6: emailed this agent and it wasn't even about me.
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  Speaker 4: It was asked I was inviting him. I'm not not him.
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  Speaker 6: I was inviting his clients in the van of ours
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  Speaker 6: and this guy should have said, if he's taking me
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  Speaker 6: off your list, I'm like, I'm asking you about your clients.
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  Speaker 6: Don't you want that? Like, don't you want something for
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  Speaker 6: your client?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 6: And people like that, It's like, well, you gotta consider
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  Speaker 6: even though it is a small town and where it
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: gets around a lot.
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  Speaker 3: He's just one person.
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  Speaker 4: She's just one person, you know, so there's always other.
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  Speaker 3: People to contact industry.
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  Speaker 6: So don't don't like, you know, don't put yourself down
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  Speaker 6: if you get a no, because it's gonna happen a lot.
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  Speaker 6: So there's gonna be a lot of nose. But once
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  Speaker 6: you get that yes, that's what that's what, that's what's important.
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  Speaker 6: You know, you can get a hundred no's and get
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  Speaker 6: that one yes, but that one yes is what's gonna
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  Speaker 6: be the the the significant you know answer that you'll
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  Speaker 6: get in your career.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, go for Brandon said, have.
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  Speaker 3: A thick skin.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely definitely keep networking.
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  Speaker 6: And for I don't know if if everyone knows is
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: out there listening, but you know what we like, we
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: listened earlier brand it's not from LA. He's from Arizona.
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  Speaker 6: I just moved to LA last year, so I've been
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: networking for five years. So with that being said, you
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 6: can literally network from anywhere, you know, So with with
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: the invention of the Internet, there's no excuse not to
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  Speaker 6: be able to reach out to somebody and create that rapport.
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  Speaker 3: From the comfort of your own home.
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  Speaker 6: So even if you're not in LA, you can still network.
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  Speaker 6: You know, networking isn't about the four the four, the
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  Speaker 6: four walls around you. It's about, uh, the the action
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  Speaker 6: of creating a relationship with somebody.
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  Speaker 4: Three Geary Vary.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I I see a lot of Gary
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  Speaker 3: V stuff. I actually got his latest book and I
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  Speaker 3: took a few notes, and I, you know, I I
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  Speaker 3: have a friend of mine who does a lot of
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  Speaker 3: social media stuff and he swears by Gary V and
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  Speaker 3: everything he does. And I have another friend who does
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: social media stuff and he goes, don't buy books on
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  Speaker 3: social media. He was just just do it. So I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, you know, the there's so much, so many
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  Speaker 3: tips on social media and uh, you know, and I mean, Arman,
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  Speaker 3: you got twenty six thousand followers, so I'm pretty jealous.
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  Speaker 6: Has to start somewhere. I had to start at a
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  Speaker 6: point of where I can grow that.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 6: I like to tell people this, to get a million
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: dollar dollars, you to start with one dollar, you know.
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  Speaker 6: So for me, twenty six didn't come overnight. I had
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: to grow that but for the last five years. And
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 6: I want to thank like you asked to do interviews
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  Speaker 6: because you know, if you were to google me, you
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: can find all the interviews. I can't sell out an
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  Speaker 6: event because I can't sell out an event without people
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  Speaker 6: being to find it interviewing. It was like, oh, it's
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 6: full of bet Well wait a minute, I don't can't
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  Speaker 6: find anything on you. Why would I buy tickets to
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  Speaker 6: your bet or why would I even go to the
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: film on fire if I can't find an interview about
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: the fire? Now so I want to think podcasts like
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  Speaker 6: you and any other press that I opportunities like this
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  Speaker 6: because you're the reason why we get twenty six thousand
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  Speaker 6: you know followers.
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  Speaker 4: So uh yeah, to media is very important. Definitely grow it.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: I guess to go back on the other question about
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: we can you know partying words, but definitely to media's
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  Speaker 6: poort nowadays. So definitely grow your social media, and you can.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 6: And social media is a different monster, but also kind
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 6: of the our brands that earlier. You constantly do some outreach.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: You know, you might find some people on Twitter that
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  Speaker 6: you may not meet in person in any other given situation,
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  Speaker 6: so definitely hit them up, you know, contact them and kind.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: Of build their relationship over time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. And I think social media is important, especially
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: when you use it correctly. You actually are are using
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  Speaker 3: it and you're actually out there, you know, trying to
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: network and meet people, and you know, just you know,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: generally whatever your goal is, to try to achieve with
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: that goal. But yeah, yeah, seriously, that's how we met man,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: just randomly. And I've met so many people on Twitter,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: and now I'm meeting more and more people on Instagram.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: This is just a side note, by the way, I
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: don't know, maybe you guys see this too. I see
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of these I shouldn't get into it. I'll
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: say that for you, okay, I will I will give
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: I will give it a peer pressure. So I see
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: a lot of these models. Let's say, and I saw
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: this girl the other day. I followed her her Instagram
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: months and months ago, and this picture came up and
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: it's her like bent over on a balcony wearing almost nothing,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: and obviously because you know, I'm a heterosexual guy, so
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: it caught my eye. But here's the funny part. Okay,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: in the text of the post, there was all this
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: text about like she's gonna knock somebody out, She's talking
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: about like empowering herself, She's talking about this. I mean,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: it was like it was so many points of topics.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: She was going back and forth on.
• 1:09:54
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  Speaker 3: And none of them had anything to do with the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: photo that she was that she took of her bent
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  Speaker 3: over on this balcony. And I'm just like, what message
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: are you trying to convey here? Like I'm I'm lost,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know what to feel about
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: this post.
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  Speaker 6: And Dave first advice, I don't appreciate you talking about
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  Speaker 6: my girlfriend like that.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. No, you'll get a lot
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  Speaker 3: of those nowadays.
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  Speaker 6: You'll have like a model take a picture of themselves
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 6: and the biki and they try to have some times
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 6: of inspirational quote underneath it.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: It's like, what, like you're you're gonna get a like.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: You're gonna get a like on the picture because of
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: what you're wearing, not because of the quote underneath it.
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  Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, yeah, it's stuff like that. And I
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: just don't know, you know, I kind of go back
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: with you know, in social media and I and we
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: could do a whole podcast about this, but they always
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: say the vern the reen, which is your v R
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: I N which is valuable, rare, inimitable and non stangible
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: or not non whatever, non substitutable, and you look at that,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: and I kind of as I've kind of had that
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: in my mind now as of looking through other people's
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: social media, and I could see now why some people
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: have taken off and other people haven't. And it's just,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of times when I see those
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: those photos from from different you know, models and stuff
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: like that with the inspirational quotes, I don't know, it's
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: kind of like, I don't know because everyone because other
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: models are doing the exact same thing where they're posting,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: you know, and they're they're posing in a certain way,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: and they're also posting an inspirational quote or whatever, so
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: the rarity of that kind of goes down By the way,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: I'm a huge Gary Vee guy. I've studied you know,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: some of Ty Lopez's stuff, you know, back and forth
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: about you know, some of the social media stuff. So
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: so I could talk your ears off about this, but
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: I won't though, because you'll be all bored and be like,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: what the hell is this guy talking about? So could
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: I'll just be like, you know what I mean, Like,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: it's just sometimes with social media, I honestly think it's
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: very easy to go down a rabbit hole with this stuff.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: And I will save all that for a whole time everybody. So, uh, Brandon,
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  Speaker 3: where'd people find you out online? Craan you there? Oh geez,
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  Speaker 3: I think we lost them.
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  Speaker 4: Well, if we lost, Mike can give you socials.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: So yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So you can find Brandon Waits at b w A
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  Speaker 6: I T E S zero seven, that is b Waits
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  Speaker 6: zero seven on Twitter and Instagram. You can find me
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  Speaker 6: at Urmand Underscore La E R M A N Underscore
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  Speaker 6: La on Twitter and Instagram. And you can find the
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: film Empire on Instagram at the film Empire and on
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 6: Twitter at the Underscore film Underscore Empire. You also find
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 6: us at Mixed Knowledge on both Twitter and Instagram.
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  Speaker 3: M I x k n O w l E d
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  Speaker 3: G y Rman. I'm gonna say thank you so much
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  Speaker 3: for coming on, Brandon. I want to say thank you
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  Speaker 3: for coming on. I think we lost you. In fact,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: I know we did. I can see he's out the
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  Speaker 3: room anymore. But I want to say thank you for
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: both of you for coming on.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, sir. Until next time.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
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  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
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• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: as always, keep on writing no matter what.
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  Speaker 3: I'll talk to you soon.
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