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The Study of Baptism Part 4 - Simply Christ Podcast · Simply Christ Podcast

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Welcome back to the Simply Christ podcast hosted by Leon
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Martin, along with Aaron Keaton, Melvin Martin, Andrew Schrock
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and Dan Blatz. Let's get right to it.
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All righty, we are ready to get started here.
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Thanks for joining us. Like usual, we are looking
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forward to another study here on our Simply Christ Bible study
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that we've been doing on the subject of baptism.
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We going to be looking into more of that word tonight.
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So thanks for joining us. Like I always tell you, you can
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to past episodes, several different platforms, that kind
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of thing. If you would like to do that,
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you can just simply Google Simply Christ Ministries.
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You'll find all that there. And yes, tonight we will be
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talking about baptism specifically of the Holy Ghost
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or with the Holy Ghost or by the Holy Ghost or whatever it says
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or Spirit. So.
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But before we do that, let's Melvin to open us up with a word
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of prayer. Yeah, let's pray.
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Father, we come to you tonight and we just praise you and come
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to you in Thanksgiving and thank you for being a faithful father.
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And most of all, we thank you for your word.
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Thank you for the truth that you have given us in in your word.
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And Father, I pray that we can learn how to interpret it
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properly. And I think you do that through
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your spirit. So, Father, we pray tonight that
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your spirit will guide us as we go through your word and also
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that the people listening that they would be able to hear what
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your word says and maybe they'll have a, you know, a new
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enlightenment or a new vision of actually what your truth says or
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who you are. And so Father, tonight we just
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come to you and praise you. We bless you.
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We thank you most of all, Father, for giving us Your only
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begotten Son to die for us from the cross.
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That we can have a way to be righteous and holy, not because
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of what we had done, but because of the righteousness and the
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holiness of Christ, and that we can put our faith in Christ and
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in Christ alone. We praise you and honor you in
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Jesus name, Amen. Yeah, so I guess to kick it off,
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we were talking a little bit before.
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I like what Dan said about, you know, the word baptism, the
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baptism kind of having three the parts.
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You know, there's the baptizer, there's a baptize, and then
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there's the element into which you're baptized.
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And so to kick it off, kind of let's just overview baptism of
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the Holy Ghost on that subject. Kind of what what is it?
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What is it not, you know, just some kind of over the top views
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and thoughts about the subject in general?
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Damn. OK, so if there is always a
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baptizer, A baptizie, and an element into which we're being
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baptized or things are being baptized, when I look at the
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word or the term baptism with the own ghost, it's found in
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Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Acts is mentioned a couple
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times. John the Baptist said when Jesus
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has come, he will baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
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And then he also says, and with fire, I think two different
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baptisms that he's referring to there.
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But if Jesus is going to baptize us with the Holy Ghost, to me it
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seems that Jesus is the baptizer.
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We are the element, and the Holy Ghost is what he's baptizing us
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with, and he fills us with it. He covers us with him.
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I don't understand fully how that works, but it seems to me
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distinct and separate from baptism by the Holy Ghost.
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If you look in First Corinthians 12 and in Ephesians, the Holy
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Ghost take us and baptizes us into the body of Christ.
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So there the element is the body of Christ.
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We are what is being baptized and and the Spirit is the
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baptizer. And so when John the Baptist
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says I'm baptizing you with water, but there is one coming
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who's mightier than I and he's going to baptize you with the
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Holy Ghost. I think he's referring to Acts
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chapter 2, the the baptism on the day of Pentecost when they
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all receive the Spirit. They in that case they began to
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speak in tongues they were endued with, filled with,
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enriched with by, with gifts and with power to speak the word of
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God. And it came.
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It gave the untrue supernatural abilities and courage.
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And a few chapters later, after the disciples have been beaten
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in the synagogue and let out, they pray again.
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Lord, give us boldness. And it's the place where in they
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were shaken and they were filled.
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With the holy. Ghost.
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And then they went out again preaching the gospel.
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So first time they were filled, they were speaking in tongues,
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preached the gospel. Thousands of people were
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converted. Next time they're filled with
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boldness, not tongues necessarily, but they're filled
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with the Holy Ghost. And so it seems like almost like
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an anointing or a, a power that is people can sometimes be
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endued with to preach more faithfully.
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I pray for the Holy Spirit to come upon me when I'm speaking,
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when I'm preaching, when I'm sharing with people hoping that
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God can come and fill me and use me in some way.
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But we'll probably get into more of how often that gets misguided
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or abused and, and confused. And it it is can be a bit of a
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confusing topic. But to me, that's what baptism
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with the Holy Ghost is. That's a good point, Aaron.
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Your thoughts on you know what? It is a kind of over over
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overview. Yeah, I think I'd be hard
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pressed to build on what Dan said, I guess, but but I do
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think that I'll focus on the last thing he said.
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I do think that it is in fact, I'm going to, we're going to get
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to that I guess, eventually. But I don't think that being
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baptized with the Holy Ghost is synonymous or the same exact
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event, event as salvation. And I think that's something
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really key to understand. It's not they don't, they don't
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happen at the same time. In fact, you'll not see any
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instances in which they are one in the same, really.
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They're almost always separate instances, it seems like.
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I mean, I guess that's not completely true.
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I guess you could say Acts chapter 10, it was synonymous,
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you know, when Cornelius and his household began to speak with
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tongues as they believe the message.
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So I guess that would be an exception.
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But but generally speaking, I feel like other than that one,
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most time it's not one in the same event.
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And I just think that that's to me, that's that's really key
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because we know that there are people out there that in fact, I
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know a few that would say that that the baptism of Holy Ghost
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with evidence of speaking in tongues is the as is the sign in
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which you know, that you're saved, right?
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So there are people out there that that would relate those
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things as being, I guess, one in the same event or you know, that
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you could say baptism, the Holy Ghost is salvation.
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And I think that that's wrong. I don't think that's.
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Correct. Yep.
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Good stuff, Melvin. Yeah, it so.
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But if you look in the book of Acts is where you mostly find,
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you know, that term the baptized of, of the Holy Ghost or the
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Holy Spirit. It does seem like like it
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happens not simultaneously necessarily, but it happens, you
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know, at the same time or close to the same time as salvation.
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But it does seem like it's a power, you know, because Jesus
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said what first John said it, what Dan said that, you know,
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John said, I baptize you with water, but indeed, one will come
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after me that will baptize you with the Holy Ghost and, and
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with fire. And so it seems like the actual
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baptism of the Holy Ghost there in the book of Acts was a power
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that was given to them, as you know, for that specific
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spreading, starting of the of the early church.
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But it, I guess for me, it's kind of hard for me to think
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that it's always, you know, always that like the actual
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baptism of the Holy Ghost. There's another kind of what I
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found kind of interesting is it seems like it happened like the
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first time, so to speak, like like in in the book of Acts, in
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chapter 2, where the Jews, you know, the apostles received the
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baptism of the Holy Ghost or received power from on high, It
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says there that they were baptized with fire with, with
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the Holy Ghost. And then in Acts, I think it's
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chapter 10 where the Gentiles received the, the Holy Ghost
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there it says the same thing that they were baptized with the
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Holy Ghost and they spoke in tongues.
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And both times in Acts chapter 2 and the chapter 10, they spoke
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in tongues. So I I don't know, to me you
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receive the Holy Spirit obviously when you get saved,
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right? That's very clear because in
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John Chapter 7, I came across this in John Chapter 7, where he
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says he that believeth on me, as the scripture has said, out of
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his belly flow rivers of living water.
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And then in 39 it says, But this spake he of the spirit, which
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they that believe on him should. Receive for the Holy.
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Ghost was not yet given because that Jesus was not yet
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glorified. So so it gives us a a picture
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there of, you know, the spirit working through US like flowing
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like rivers of living water, whether we're some people say
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that's just preaching, but that to me that can be when you're
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speaking with someone, whoever it may be about Jesus or about,
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you know, the scriptures. So I guess to me you receive the
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Holy Ghost, you receive the Holy Spirit obviously in the Holy
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Ghost when you believe on Christ because it says there in Chapter
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7 or chapter 739 of John it says which they that believe on him
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should receive. So you receive that Holy Ghost
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and Holy Spirit. But there does seem like there
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is a God does sometimes give a power or a anointing or I don't
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know what. There's several terms that get
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used. But just like Aaron was saying,
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it is not the same as salvation. Like it doesn't mean that you're
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not saved if you're not speaking in tongues or you're not
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baptized by the Holy Ghost. Because there's a lot of people
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that say, well, you're not truly saved unless you.
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Are. Baptized with the Holy.
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Ghost. Yeah.
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And you know, we've all heard that that term, you know,
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baptized by the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in
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tongues or whatever. That's something you'll hear,
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hear a lot, you know, which just goes into that hole in a radical
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Christianity. So I'd really call it.
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But so when, when God designed the, the church and how it was
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going to work, he, he wrought it.
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The Bible tells us that he wrought salvation before the
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beginning of time. And so he, him and the Holy
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Spirit of Jesus, or whoever those three were that we're
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talking about themselves before the earth was formed.
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And they, they figured they were figuring this out and they were
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talking about how a Christian is going to live and, and share the
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gospel and stuff. Like my question is what, why,
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why did, what is the purpose of it?
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Why did God do that? Give us this, this feeling or
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what you guys are saying is, you know, a power or an additional
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function. Maybe the Bible uses that word.
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What is his purpose in giving us that?
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If, if that's what it is, I'd just be interested in hearing
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your, your comments on that because he seems to be like it
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was really, really powerful in the early church.
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And it seems almost, and I'm just deducting this, that it it
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was to kind of help formulate the church and strengthen and
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rapidly build. Maybe I don't know.
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What are your thoughts on on what the purpose of this
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actually is that? You're asking anybody or?
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Dan, I guess I. Well, I mean, you look at a
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natural man like the apostles were.
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You see they're very natural characteristics coming out
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throughout the Gospels. You see at times their boldness
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when they feel confident in themselves.
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But when their lives are on the line, suddenly they're fearful
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and shaking and running away at the slightest pants of an
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opportunity for them to get into some trouble.
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Peter himself cursing Jesus, saying, I do not know this man.
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And then a few chapters later, only a mere few days later,
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suddenly he's standing up boldly before the Sanhedrin, standing
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before the very people who killed his Lord and Savior and
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telling him, challenging them like we will not keep silent.
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We cannot help but speak those things which we have seen and
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heard. And suddenly there's a boldness
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about him that nothing can stop. And Jesus had predicted and
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prophesied that the gates of hell would not prevail against
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the church. And I don't see any other way
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for the church to prevail apart from the Spirit of God doing
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works in and through US. Melvin already at this point.
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But if you look in in Romans chapter 8 verse 9, it says ye
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are not in the flesh but in the Spirit.
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If so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
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Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of
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his. So all Christians have the
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Spirit of Christ, but he comes to us with gifts and with power,
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and sometimes with miraculous things, sometimes to convince
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lost people. Very often he'll show up in
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large, bigger ways, more evident ways, in new territory, new
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cultures, places where the Word of God has not yet been
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confirmed. I don't know why exactly.
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There's been periods of time and history, American history,
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British history, where God seems to show up in abundance and the
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Spirit of God is poured out upon people and certain preachers get
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extraordinary power and it seems like it is for the sake of
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building the church and pushing back the gates of hell.
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But I, I find it interesting that I mean, where where most
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people probably get this idea from that the Holy Ghost will be
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an evidence come with Speaking of tongues is in Mark chapter
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16, where Jesus says he that believeth and is baptized shall
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be saved. But he that is believe believeth
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not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow
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them that believe in my name shall they cast O devils, they
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shall speak in tongues, take up serpents and so on and so forth.
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And some of those, it's typically a very redneck
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congregations down in the hills of Kentucky somewhere, maybe
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somewhere close to Aaron. I'm not sure where they're
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playing with snakes and and babbling an unknown weird
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language it right? That's the stereotype that you
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typically see, right? And it's pretty much nonsense.
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The apostle Paul was bitten by a serpent and that was normal.
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He shook it off and he was not hurt.
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That's what he's talking about, not extraordinarily trying to
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show off the power of God. But I do think that God empowers
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us by his Spirit to preach the gospel more faithfully.
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Hey there. That's a good answer.
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Aaron, anything in addition to that?
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Yeah, I guess I would just say it in a well, I'll give you a
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verse to kindly answer. Answer it, he says in Hebrews
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chapter 2. Hebrews 2 and verse 3 says, How
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shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation, which at the
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first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed right,
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like what they smoke was confirmed, and us by them that
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heard him. God also bearing them witness,
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both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles and gifts
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of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will.
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So it was a, you could certainly define it as a sign or a wonder,
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right? This, this feeling, this pouring
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out of these gifts by the Holy Ghost, this baptism of the Holy
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Ghost that resulted. I would refer and I'll show you
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the reverse, why I say this. I would refer to it as a
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manifestation of the like it's a manifestation of gifts.
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In other words, if you see someone, if someone actually is
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speaking in tongues, if someone is doing something miraculous by
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the Spirit, I would call that a manifestation spirit.
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In other words, it's not a it's not the way that you know that
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the person has the Spirit of God because there's Dan read that
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verse in Romans. Everybody that saved has the
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Spirit of God, but it is a manifestation of a filling, a
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baptizing of the Holy Ghost or yeah, baptized of the Holy
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Ghost. It is a manifestation of that
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thing which results in signs and wonders.
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I mean, listen to the verse again.
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Hebrews 2 For God also bearing them witness.
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The people that hurt, that saw and heard him, He bears them
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witness both with signs and wonders and divers miracles and
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gifts of the Holy Ghost according to His will.
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And then he also says in First Corinthians chapter 12, he says
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This is why I use the word manifestation.
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First Corinthians 12 and verse 6 he says, and there are
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diversities of operations, but is the same God which worketh
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All in all. But the manifestation of the
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Spirit is given to every man to profit with all.
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So that's why I referred to it as a manifestation.
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That's the chapter in which he talks about prophesying or
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speaking in tongues and he calls it a manifestation of the Spirit
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like you can see it, right? I mean, in other words,
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everybody, if you think of all these instances with Cornelius
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or with Acts chapter 2, the apostles, it was a is a making
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known that God had poured out his spirit on those people,
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right? Everybody knew it.
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You know, Peter says what would hinder these from being
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baptized, seeing that, you know, they have received the Holy
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Ghost as we did at the first right?
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So it is a manifestation of it. And, and I just think that
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that's the well, let me read you a couple more from first first
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Corinthians 12 and verse 29 says this.
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It says are all apostles, are all prophets, are all teachers,
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are all workers of miracle miracles, have all the gifts of
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healing, do all speak with tongues, do all interpret.
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Would you agree that the answer to that question is no?
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Right. Would you agree with that?
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You know, if he's asking the question, he's he's making the
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point. No, not everybody is an apostle.
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No, not everybody does speak with tongues.
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So it is not, I know this is kind of reverting back to what
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we said. It's not a sign of salvation.
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It is a manifestation that God is behind the message or that
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he's, as Dan said, he's putting boldness in the person to get
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the message spread is a manifestation of the Spirit, not
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a sign of salvation. And I actually don't even
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remember what you asked me. I know that was a.
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Little bit no, it's it's it's dead on what the what the
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question kind of was, yeah. Like what is it what is it for
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what why why did God go to the to the trouble, I guess, or
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whatever of of designing Melbourne.
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Any additional thoughts? That was well explained by the
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way. I Yeah.
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I don't know to me in my brain, the short answer of that is the
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Holy Ghost. The is given the baptism of the
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Holy Ghost is given for the fathering of the Kingdom of God.
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It's just that simple because so and where people get hooked up
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on like they get hung up, I should say in Acts where it's
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where refer it specifically I should say says the baptism of
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the Holy Ghost and people get hooked up on that and they sit
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on that verse. But if you take the whole Bible
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in context and you search Holy Ghost, it is only the baptism of
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the Holy Ghost is only used like maybe 3 or 4 times in the Bible.
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And after the the beginning of Acts or or about midway through
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Acts like in 9 or 10 after that you see phrases where it's where
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it says, so let me pull one up here.
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I was looking, I'm not sure they had it right in front of me, for
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the Kingdom of God, like in Romans, it says for the Kingdom
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of God is not meat and drink, but righteousness, peace and joy
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in the Holy Ghost. That's not the one I was looking
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for. Now I lost it.
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But it's where Paul says, OK, here it is, Acts chapter 13,
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nine. It says, then Saul, who's also
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called Paul, filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him.
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And then in Acts, you know, later in Acts again, you see
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another words, it uses the word feeling or you know, it doesn't
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always use the word baptize of the Holy Ghost.
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So in other words, I think there's a lot of misconception
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with that term, so to speak. It is like Aaron was saying, if
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there is, it's like a manifestation, just like you
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were saying, Aaron, all the gifts of the of the Spirit and
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all the Holy Ghost. To.
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For fathers of the Kingdom of God, and that's and it has to be
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to God's glory. If it is at all directed to man
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or a man trying to look spiritual or be spiritual or be
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more spiritual. If it's used in that manner,
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then it's not used in the proper way.
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Because if you look all through the Scriptures, it's used for
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the fatherance of the gospel into the Kingdom of God.
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Yeah, that is really good Melvin.
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And that kind of brings me to the next point here.
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And this is kind of date aimed at Dan because he had shared
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kind of on the our chat here about this deeper.
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I remember well when when I got converted and then shortly
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after, we were pressured by several different kind of
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visiting pastors to get baptized by the Holy Spirit.
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And man, I worked at that with all my heart.
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I did. I wanted it.
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And I, I agree with everything I had included, including dabbling
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with, you know, speaking in tongues and stuff like that, you
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know, but but we were under the impression at that time and I, I
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didn't know better. I was, you know, innocent to
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this whole thing at the time, but we were we were basically
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under the assumption that any real Christian gets baptized by
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the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
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And there was an incredible Melville.
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Melville. Remember this?
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Yeah. It would be incredible pressure
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to somehow bring this to fruition.
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And man, now looking back, I see how vain that actually was
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because I wanted it to convince myself that I truly was a child
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of God, when in fact, the Bible gives us all the reasons that we
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need or all the, all the evidence that we needed that.
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But then since you had commented that on our chat there, I'd like
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to hear what you have to say in regards to that pressure that we
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get from from the holy people to perform this, this, whatever it
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is. Yeah, Jesus says something very
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interesting and all of these baptism of the Holy Ghost
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preachers, I find they often preach the Holy Ghost much more
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than they preach Jesus. When Jesus actually said when
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the spirit of truth would come, he will not speak of himself,
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but he'll speak of Christ. So people become filled with the
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Holy Spirit when their focus and their emphasis is on Jesus
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Christ and they speak boldly in his name.
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But Jesus said in in Luke 1113, if he then being evil know how
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to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall
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your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask
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him? And so to me it's not something
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where you need a great big evidence of it.
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You ask God and you trust Him for it.
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You're about to go speak, you're about to go speak to somebody
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about your message. You're about to help someone
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with their, their, their hurts and their life, whatever they
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might have. You're going to counsel
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somebody. You say, Lord, fill me with your
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spirit and you walk in faith of that and you trust, hey, if my
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son asked me for a piece of bread, I give it to him.
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And I wouldn't give him a rock. I wouldn't give him a serpent in
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place of the fish. I would give him the spirit.
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And so I trust that God is going to fill me with the spirit as I
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speak. And like, like Melvin was
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saying, saying when, when Stephen was speaking or when
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Paul was speaking, it says he was full of the Holy Ghost.
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How do you know? Or look at his boldness?
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Look at his clarity, look at his his conviction.
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Look how passionate. I mean, you could just, you can
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fake passion, but this kind of boldness that comes out of
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people that is super convincing and very convicting.
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It's it's the word spirit of God working in and through them.
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So I had these people coming at me saying basically that in
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order to receive the real baptism, yeah, you might be
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saved. That's great.
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And I'm glad you trust him in Christ.
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What you really need now is the filling.
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You need the baptism, meaning the real anointing.
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Then you'll be one of the elite Christians.
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And I struggled with this for a long time.
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I didn't follow the whole speaking in tongues thing, but I
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was trying to empty myself of all selfish motive, trying to
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empty myself of anything that might be vanity or pride or
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arrogance, and trying to get to this humble, humble state where
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God would finally be able to use me, where He could put His
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Spirit in me like a vessel. And I just wanted to be open
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before him. And I was begging God, praying
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these things. Where was I looking?
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Where where was my thoughts is on me constantly on me.
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How do I become more holy? How do I become more empty?
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How do I become and I'm looking at these hands trying to perfect
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my activity and my thoughts and my all, you know, not bad things
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to try to be a better person. But I, I was reminded of this
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quote once by some somebody told me that Charles Spurgeon had
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said this. And I've quoted this so many
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times since he says, I look to Jesus and the dove of peace flew
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into my heart. I looked to the dove and it flew
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away. Like as soon as you get your
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eyes off of the thing that matters, which is Jesus, the
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peace will go away, that the joy will go away, the power will go
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away. In in one of the most confirming
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things about this whole thing to me is in Acts 4 after the
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Pentecost movement, they receive the Holy Ghost with speaking in
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tongues. They baptize thousands of
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people. But then at the end of chapter
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4, the the the disciples gather together.
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They're afraid they're quoting something to God.
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They're praying to him, saying you, you said that the world
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would be gathered together, the kings of the earth would be
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gathered together against the Lord and against his anointed.
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And they did. They gathered against Jesus.
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They crucified him, but you raised him from the dead.
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And as they're saying this, they're saying, Lord, help us to
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do a good job. Help us to be brave and bold.
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It says that they were filled again with the Spirit.
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So how did they receive the Spirit?
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Not by trying to be empty, but by looking to Jesus and walking
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by faith and rejoicing in His goodness and His grace.
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I looked for that and never found it.
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And then I heard the series Sin No More and I recognize I was
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dead indeed to sin. I was alive unto God.
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The Spirit of God was living in me.
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All I needed to do was start walking in freedom by faith and
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I I experienced things that felt like what those people described
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about being filled with the Holy Spirit.
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But I don't, I don't get that all the time now.
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I'm not looking for that. But I was absolutely overcome
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with joy and gratitude and confidence and boldness.
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But it it wasn't about getting the Spirit, it was about looking
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to Jesus. Sorry I went a little.
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So that's good. I was looking for that aired or
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well with anything I'll do. I hate to corrupt something
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good. Now that sounds.
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Good. Yeah, that's good.
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So just briefly and we'll get we we got a few more questions here
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I really want to touch on. But so like I was just while you
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were talking there talking about laying on of hands.
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Big first Timothy 4 says neglect, not the gift that is in
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thee, which was given thee by prophecy with the laying on of
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hands of the presbytery and Acts 8 there it says it was Simon saw
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that laying on of the apostle says that the Holy Ghost was
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given he offered that money. So when we when we think about
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this, this Holy Ghost filling or whatever that was, obviously I
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just find it as an interesting element of this.
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It was obviously something that was in some cases at least
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imparted by somebody else, you know, and that is one thing that
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I do not see practice in our circles that I'm around.
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Really. And I just kind of wondered what
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your your thoughts are on something like that.
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Melvin, go ahead. And then I'll see if Aaron or
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anyone else, if you know anything.
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I, I, yeah. Anything on it and any thoughts?
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Yeah, I mean, obviously like you, the Scriptures, you pointed
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out it, the Bible does talk about that, you know, that there
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is a Holy Ghost given power given maybe by the laying on of
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hands. And so we can't minimize that at
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all. And I think like you said, it
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doesn't get practiced very much. And I think the reason maybe
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that it doesn't get practiced much is because a lot of times
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when, you know, but you guys were saying earlier when when
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people start putting on you that you're not saved unless you're
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baptized by the Holy Ghost. Most times those people want to
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give it to you by the laying on of hands.
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And so I think we have reacted from that, right.
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Maybe some of us anyway have reacted from that.
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And but according to the scriptures, obviously it's not
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always the power doesn't always, you know, given by the laying on
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hands, but sometimes it is. And so I guess I'm not exactly
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sure what you know, what the when or when not or whatever.
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I think the Spirit would, would probably give us the how would
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you say would prompt us probably to do the laying on of hands.
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If, if, if, if that was God's will, but it's definitely not.
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Most times it's abused because people are doing the laying on
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of hands so that they look like they're super spiritual or they
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have a special power, which we see in Acts chapter 8, right?
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That's that's what Ananias wanted.
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He he, he coveted the power. And, and Paul there said your
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heart is in the wrong place. You're not supposed to be
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coveting the power. You're supposed to be looking to
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Christ and, and in the, you know, not coveting the power.
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So I think that's most times where that gets out of hand,
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but. Yeah, I mean, Kelly comes.
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Back to what dad was saying like what is what are we think?
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Why don't we try to gain by doing this, you know, this
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transfer whatever, Aaron, any thoughts on that?
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I know maybe a little bit off top of what we.
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Well, I mean, I guess it kind of addresses one of the questions
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that I had thought of myself was I guess I'm more asked my own
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self, this question when I'm about to answer it is, you know
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what what brings on the gifts of the Spirit?
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Like what is it when someone when it says, well, well, let me
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say something first. It almost never refers to a a
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speaking in tongues or some some miraculous gift as the baptism
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Holy Ghost. In fact, if you look it up, if
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you type in the word baptism or just be a BAPT in a little
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concordance and then and then holy like Holy Ghost or Holy
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Spirit, it'll only appear like 9 times in the same verse
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together. And the only time that it is
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ever referenced and A and a event is referenced as being the
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fulfillment of it is in Acts. Jesus says not many days hence
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you're going to be baptized and he references the verse and then
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you see him gather together in this upper room.
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The the tongues like fire coming down on them.
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But other than that, the only time baptism the Holy Ghost is
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mentioned is in reference to John compared to Jesus.
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Like you'll never really see it together in a, in a, this was a
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manifestation of a, of the baptism, the Holy Ghost.
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Just just kind of, but I said that to say this.
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So when I say what brings it on, a lot of times I'm only
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referring to verses that says they were filled with the Holy
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Ghost or they were full of the Holy Ghost.
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It rarely ever says, you know, they got this.
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The one time they're in Acts chapter 2.
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When they get it, it is, it is received.
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It's brought on by the promise because that's what Jesus says.
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He says to the disciples there before he ascends back to
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heaven. You're, you need to stay in
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Jerusalem until you get the promise of the Father, which you
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heard of me, right? That's what he says.
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That's Acts chapter 1, four through 8.
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You need to stay here. So in that instance, it's just
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the promise of God that brings it on, right?
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It's not necessarily their desire.
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It's not someone laying the hands on them.
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It's just the promise of God that brings it on the other
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times. You all already mentioned the
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laying on of hands, but one that Acts chapter 8 there, you know,
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when when Peter is laying and is laying hands on people and Simon
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desires it, you know, but he sees that the laying on hands is
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what what gives gifts to people and Simon the sorcerer says,
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Hey, I'd like to buy that gift off of if I could.
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You know, that's that's the Acts chapter 8.
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Acts chapter 19 It says in verse 5 that when the and when they
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heard this, this is the one, this is the people that Paul
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runs into that have not even heard if there is any Holy
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Ghost, Paul runs into them. Acts chapter 19 verse 5 And when
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they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord
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Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands
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on them, the Holy Ghost came on them and they spake with tongues
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and prophesied. So that was another instance of
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laying on of the hands. And then somebody already
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mentioned first Timothy 414, in which Paul references Timothy as
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having that experience that the elders of the press do.
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The elders laid their hands on him and he received that gift.
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And the only other instance is a fervent desire.
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We already talked about that. Dan referenced it in Acts
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chapter 4 when they were desiring.
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You know, let me set that scene up for you.
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They've killed the Lord. They get the boldness to speak
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on the Day of Pentecost by being baptized by the Holy Ghost.
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And they get up and my goodness, it worked.
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Well, it was 3000 people got saved.
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So they're probably thinking, well, maybe this might not turn
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out too bad. Well, then the then the
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persecution is turned up and they're threatened and beaten
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and they come back together and they say, hey, we're going to
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have to have some help here to keep preaching this the way we
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need to. So they have a fervent desire to
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receive the Holy Ghost. No, it's them desiring.
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It. But it's because they see that
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the pressure, and when I mean pressure, I'm saying the
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persecution is turned up. So we're going to have to have
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something outside of myself to keep me motivated to put my life
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in danger to speak this message. So in that case, it was a
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fervent desire, but it was a fervent desire to keep spreading
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the message, not to do something themselves, right?
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So, and then the negative side of that would be Simon the
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sorcerer has a firm desire, but he's not got the right kind of
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desire. So that was the only three ways
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that I saw that it comes about is by promise, like God has just
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promised it's going to happen. And it comes on people as a sign
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or a wonder or whatever. And then by the laying on the
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hands and then by fervent desire.
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Like that's to me, that's the three ways I see it coming to
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pass, how it comes to people. Is that one of those three ways?
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But here again I forgot the question.
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The question was about laying out of the heads, but you just
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you just guided us through the three different ways that it
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does come, which is which is actually really good to help
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round that question out because that was that was going to be
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one of my questions. You guys are answering these,
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you know, before I ever get to them in in this way, which is
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good because you know, if it is something that we should desire,
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as you put it, Aaron, then then we should know.
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When we need it or or how to get it right.
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And so you just explained that really well on on what we'll
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come back to that a little bit. Dan, any additional thoughts on,
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you know, as far as laying out of the hands or any other part
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that they're expected? Yeah, it seems to me that laying
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on of hands is is obviously the spirit is given on a couple
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occasions like Aaron pointed out with the laying on of hands.
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But in the case of Timothy, first Timothy 414 where he
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received this gift, I believe it's a gift of ministry that he
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receives by the laying out of hands.
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It's mentioned again in second Timothy 116 where Paul says,
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wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up
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the gift of God, which is in the by the putting on of my hands.
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So the presbytery and Paul, the leaders of the church put their
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hands on Paul, on Timothy, and then he went forward preaching
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the gospel. And now Paul says, keep stirring
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up that gift. It was laid up.
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You received that gift of ministry and service to the
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church by the laying out of hands.
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And you need to kind of keep stocking it, so to speak.
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And so it's not, it's not always about receiving the Holy Ghost,
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he says in in First Timothy 22, laying hands suddenly on no man,
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neither be partaker of other men's sins.
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Keep yourself sure. So to me it seems it's more in
41:23
this context, it's more about the ordaining of a man for a
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certain gift or some other man prophesied about Timothy that he
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would be the leader and and how he would make me use his gifts.
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And then they together laid their hands on him.
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Same thing happens on multiple occasions when Paul and Barnabas
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are sent. They gave him the right hand of
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fellowship. They sent them out doing a
41:44
thing. They laid their hands on the
41:46
elders. They prayed for them so that
41:48
they could go do their. They're like, they're given that
41:51
already, so to speak. And so these speaking are these
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laying on a here, I don't think are so much receiving the spirit
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at this point a more an ordination or issuing of a
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ministry. Yeah.
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Yeah, and I think that that's a good point.
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It's it's like, it could be like even in that case, there was
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probably times that Timothy was filled with the spirit, right as
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he does that thing. So I do I think it, but I think
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you touched on a great point that it is people are not laying
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their hands on other people so that the other people but Babble
42:31
or blabble, they're in front of them so they can feel good about
42:34
their salvation. Yeah, right.
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They're laying their hands on them to say go out, do this
42:40
thing. In fact, you could see that, you
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know, like in, as you said, in other instances, which they
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would lay their hands on the people and, and the the point
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was the gospel would continue to be spread in that area or that
42:52
place or, or whatever. So it it it's always for a
42:55
purpose, not just so I can feel like I'm right.
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But it seems like the Scripture is like you pointed out, Dan,
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where it says, you know, he told Timothy not to lay hands.
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Suddenly I'm no man. It seems like the Scripture is a
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little bit hesitant about that specific thing about the laying
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on of hands, and I believe that is it's because it can be
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quickly used in the wrong way, which is how it happens most
43:25
times it seems like right, But I do you know, it is in the
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scriptures, you know, like you guys pointed out.
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So I think we can't totally throw the lane on the hands out
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necessarily, but it it's something that you just don't
43:41
run around doing for your own puff your yourself up or make
43:45
yourself look good. Well, as you were talking there,
43:50
you know, again, the late lay on of hands, you know, might not be
43:53
as as specific of a thing as as we think, you know, we think on,
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you know, laying on of hands, like going and and just, you
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know, put your two hands on somebody and and bestowing them
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with you this blessing or a gift or whatever, whatever it is.
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But if you look in that's also in Acts 5, there it says verse
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12 and by the hands of the apostles were many signs and
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wonders wrought among the people.
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And this is where, you know, where the shadow touched them in
44:25
the streets, you know, so they laid people in the streets, you
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know. So what I'm saying is, you know,
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it's it maybe just not necessarily a specific thing
44:33
even, you know, but it's something that that, although I
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think it obviously can be, I mean, it does specifically talk
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about laying on of hands in that case.
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But you know, as a general rule too, you know, this the stuff
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they were doing there in X5 again, was for the I like how
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you set up Melvin, the, you know, the fathering of the
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Kingdom of God. That's that's always going to be
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the the drive behind these these gifts or anything really, that
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ice paint body to to fall back on or use tools.
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I think he was put at their head.
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Well, I'll give you a concrete example, though I've never done
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this myself. If you had somebody that you
45:12
could tell had the desire to be a missionary or whatever, you
45:16
know, like here's this couple or person that says we are feeling
45:21
very called to go to such and such a place.
45:23
Do I think it would be a good idea to come and literally lay
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our hands on them and wish and pray that the Spirit, would they
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be filled with the Spirit and go and prosper in this place?
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I think that'd be very appropriate.
45:35
You know, we can hear there's a concrete example 100%.
45:39
I was, I was ordained, I was ordained at a local church here
45:44
some years back. I'm no longer in that position
45:46
now. But yeah, we, we very much
45:48
practice that when someone was being commissioned to a work, we
45:52
would lay our hands on and pray for them and, and ask God to
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anoint and bless and and prosper their ministries and such.
45:58
So yeah, I think that's an appropriate way to lay hands on
46:01
the most, my far the most ridiculous, inappropriate,
46:05
unbiblical example of laying hands is these faith healers
46:08
that are like pushing people back and having the spirit of of
46:12
whatever they're working with knocking people over and people
46:16
rolling on the ground laughing and all kinds of nonsense that
46:19
gets done in the name of Christ. It's pretty disgusting.
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I agree. One other thing, Aaron, I'll
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direct this kind of at you. For those of you that don't
46:31
know, we had a chat kind of about this subject just to pose
46:35
different instances. But one of the one of the
46:37
questions was, is there a difference between having the
46:41
Holy Ghost and having manifestation gifts of the Holy
46:44
Ghost? And I mean that that's and a
46:48
specific, but I'm really curious as to what you, you touched on
46:52
it just a little bit before, but what what was your thoughts in
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regards to that? Yeah.
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Yeah, Like you said, I did kind of touch on it earlier in the
46:59
sense that you have, you have referred to there in act in
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First Corinthians chapter 12 as a manifestation of the Spirit.
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Like and the reason I think that's relevant to the
47:14
conversation is let me turn there.
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First Corinthians 12, I'm not going to do it because I just
47:22
get sidetracked. But I would encourage anybody to
47:24
read the whole chapter because the context of it is like he
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starts out the whole chapter talking about it.
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And he even says in verse 4. Now there are diversities of
47:37
gifts, but the same spirit, right?
47:39
That is all are partakers of the same Spirit, but there is
47:43
diversities of gifts that would come out of that spirit.
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So and then and then the verse I read was first Corinthians 12,
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verse 7, where he says the but the manifestation of the spirit
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is given to every man to profit with all.
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And he goes on to tell different manifestations of that spirit in
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those people. So I do think that there is AI
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think there is a well, like I said, a working out of a, a, a
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manifesting, which just means a, a showing for us or a revealing
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of that spirit in some action like prophesying, like speaking
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in tongues, like healing, like whatever.
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But but there is a difference in that and a person just having
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the, the spirit dwelling in them.
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Like that's kind of the, the point I was wanting to make by
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that. And here let's let's go to 1st
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Corinthians 13. And he says this in verse eight,
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First Corinthians 13 and verse 8, he says charity never fail
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us, but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail.
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Whether there be tongues, they shall cease.
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Whether there be knowledge, it it shall vanish away.
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For we know in part and we prophecy in part.
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And the reason I am kind of bringing that up is because I
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said this real early on. There's a difference between
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salvation and for in this argument, I'll say the
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manifestation of the Spirit, you know, like the this, this
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baptism of spirit that would result in some kind of
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miraculous gift. And it is different because
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salvation is not in part right. I mean, I guess you could argue
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that we're, we've not received our new body or whatever, but
49:34
I'm just saying salvation, to the extent that your name is
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written in the Lamb's book of life is not in part, but these
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manifestations he just said are in part.
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These gifts are in part like in in a, in a measurement or in a
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in just a part of something, because that's what he says
49:51
there we prophecy in part. And then he also says invert and
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well, again, I won't read the whole chapter, but I would
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encourage you to read all of first Corinthians 14 because
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really 1213 and 14 are all relevant to this topic, right?
50:09
But first Corinthians 14, all that chapter he is, he's
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basically talents that they vary in greatness because listen what
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he says in the 1st Corinthians 14 and verse 5, he says, I would
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that you all spake with tongues. And we may all cringe at that,
50:26
especially on the topic we're saying, but but he does make I
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wish you all spake with tongues, but rather that you prophecy for
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greater is he that prophesized than he that speaketh with
50:39
tongues, except he interpret that the church may receive
50:44
edifying. So he basically just said that
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these gifts of the spirit vary in greatness.
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Would you remember that greater is he that prophesized than he
50:54
that speak of the tongues. So again, I would refer you
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back. It's not like salvation varies
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like I'm not more saved than you.
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You know what I mean? Like it doesn't vary in that
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form. It is you're either saved or
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you're not. Whereas these gifts can vary in
51:13
in that also in first Corinthians 12 and verse 13, he
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says this, he says, because this is relevant to the salvation
51:21
side for by 1 Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether
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it be Jew or Gentile, whether it be bond or free and have all
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been and have been all made to drink into one spirit.
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So again, it's not like there is a it's not like there's a a
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variation or a varying of whether or not you're in that,
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but you're in that body or not, right?
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You're in the body or you're not.
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Whereas these gifts not we actually read that verse
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earlier. Not all prophecy, you know, when
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he asked that question do all prophecy do all speak with
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tongues. We said the answer was no, not
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everybody does that but everybody that saved is a
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partaker of that body. And I know that Dan reference
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said earlier that this is I guess a little different
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instance that it'd be the the spirit doing the baptizing here
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and so the Jesus baptized with the Holy Ghost.
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So I recognize that, but but I do think that there is a
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difference between having the spirit or being, I'm going to
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refer to it as filled with or full of the spirit because you
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have the spirit, it dwells in you, all those that are saved as
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as long as you are a believer, you have that spirit in you.
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But I think there's times as somebody referenced earlier,
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there's times that people. Were.
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Filled with they go sometime they're refilled with the spirit
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right there. It's not like that.
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It's not like that they he's not trying to say that they are
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saved and then now they're re saved when they get refilled.
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The spirit they're saved the whole time.
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But there's a difference between like that.
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I don't know I'm not comfortable saying that.
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I don't know if I would say that like we made that reference
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earlier than Acts chapter 2. Jesus says you're going to be
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baptized with the Holy Ghost. Not many day sins.
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I don't know if I would say that in Acts chapter 4 when they pray
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for new strength and it comes on them again and they they do
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receive it. I don't know.
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I don't know if I mean I'll be glad to hear what you all think
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about it. Do you think you'd call that
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another baptism of the Spirit or is that why he just refers to it
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as they were filled with the Spirit?
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Like, I don't know what I think about that.
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I don't know if I would, if I would say that baptism of spirit
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is just a one time thing or if it would be if that's what's
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happened every time, but somebody was filled with it.
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Like I don't know what I think about that.
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I don't know what, what do you, what do you all think about
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that? Well, isn't that what some
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people would kind of team the second work of the cross?
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Isn't that what they're talking about when they talk about the
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difference of, you know, being saved and having the Spirit of
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God? But then that second work that
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is the empowering you, wishing you to go and fulfill the task
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kind of a thing, you know, but in my own mind, this is shaped
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by, you know, this study at other times that we that we
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talked about these kind of things is that there's actually
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an ebb and flow. You can have less of it after
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you've been filled, you know, you could be unfilled and be,
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you know, not, not devoid of, but definitely there's times in
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my life, I mean, just just even on a very personal level,
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there's times when I have spoke where I was was the Holy Spirit
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when the power of God came upon me, you know, or whatever.
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I think anyone that's ever probably preached has
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experienced that. There's other times when it just
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seems like that, that well is pretty dry, you know, and, and I
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could never, I could never actually, I'm just talking very
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openly right now. I could never quite figure out
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how to make it that I've always filled, you know, like if I
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could, if I could fight where that valve is, you know, and
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just turn it wide open all the time, I definitely would.
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But I think that God is wiser than I am.
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So I'm going to let him decide when it's important for me to
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have that feeling or other, you know, prophets, brothers and
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sisters around me. You know, if, if, if there's
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such a thing as the laying out of the hands that that kind of
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transferred or brings this on or whatever, then I'll leave it up
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to God to, to you don't have that happen.
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I guess I, that's kind of how I look at it.
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I don't know what your thoughts are on that.
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I think our focus should be the profit of all.
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We should be looking to profit other people with whatever gifts
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we have and then use them to the best of our ability and then
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covet earnestly the best gifts. So why?
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So that we can profit the church even more.
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But I think very Aaron made some really good points there about
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the evidences like nobody ever preaches the gift of the Holy
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Ghost with the evidence of being bitten with serpents like it.
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It just doesn't. It's not a teaching.
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It's not a doctrine that you know, hey, you haven't really
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been proven that you're a Christian until you've been
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bitten by a serpent, right? Like it it's it kind of falls
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apart, but he's saying that some are going to speak in tongues.
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Wow, that's amazing. Those are the apostles did I
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never did. That's fine.
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But God showed up and he evidenced himself was speaking
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in tongues. God evidenced himself with
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prophecy. Agabus came and prophesied Paul.
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Don't go to Jerusalem. You're going to be bound and so
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on and so forth. And, and John, the John, the
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revelator, he received the, the, the revelation from God and he
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prophesied many things that would happen in the future.
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We're not all prophesying. We're not all being bitten with
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serpents. We're not all speaking in
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tongues. But God is evidently showing up
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all over the place in many different ways and categories.
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And it's, it's a neat to me where you just put your hand to
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the plow, you get work and you do some service to profit others
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and God will show up. I, I can almost guarantee I, I
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can't always put my finger on it.
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But sometimes as I'm speaking, as I'm preaching, as I'm sharing
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the gospel with an individual, suddenly I'm saying things I
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don't know that I know like that there's a gift of knowledge, a
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gift of wisdom that comes, but you don't get it by sitting in
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your room waiting for it to come.
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You go serve, you go profit with all.
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And then the the Spirit will come in and make himself
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manifest. Amen.
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That's well, hey, what else is that?
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Yeah, that that's great. You stole my Thunder there.
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Then that's not. I was going to say it, but no,
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that's fine. I was just going to say it.
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So to me, like when we read, you know, the baptism of the Holy
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Ghost, and then we later read filled and filling and being
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filled, in my mind, that's like all the same, so to speak, Like,
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you know what I'm saying? I I don't difference that so
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much. Like it's, it's where the
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baptism or the feeling or whatever you term you want to
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use of the Holy Ghost is something that is not a one time
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thing. Obviously where you're going to
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seek it, desire it like a lot of people try to make you do.
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And then you're going to somehow, all of a sudden get it.
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And now you have it. It.
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It's where God is giving it out as he sees fit.
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And when like you were saying that, and that's so beautiful
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when we're walking, not thinking about having the baptism of the
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Holy Ghost or the feeling of the Holy Ghost, but just working for
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his Kingdom. And but while we're doing that,
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God is going to show up and fill us with the Spirit and give us
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gifts of the Spirit at when it is needed, whether it be
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obviously in Corinthians there it says it's for the edifying of
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the church. Sometimes in Ephesians chapter
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4, it said for the work of the ministry.
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So it's I guess all those things kind of combine but.
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Yeah, for sure not aired. Any additional thoughts?
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This is not exactly the quit I know the question, the question
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there was something I had asked myself was what's the, you know
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the difference? But but I'm going to say this on
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the on the aspect of of having the spirit like being saved and
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this feeling of the Spirit is two different things because let
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me read you this Acts chapter 8, Acts chapter 8.
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We've referenced it several times, but we're always talking
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about Simon wanting the thing. But listen to this.
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This is Acts 8 and verse 12. It says, But when they believed
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Philip preaching the things concerning the Kingdom of God
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and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and
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women. Then Simon himself believed
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also, and when he was baptized, he continued to fill up and
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wondered, beholding the miracles and the signs which were done.
1:00:25
Now, when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that the
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Samaritans had received the word of God, they sent on them Peter
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and John. Now, I mean, surely none of us
1:00:37
would argue that those people are not saved, right?
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I mean, now Simon, you might argue with him, but but I'm just
1:00:42
saying he's not saying it like these people were not these
1:00:46
people were they had heard the word, they had believed those
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things. These people are saved at this
1:00:52
point, right? Already saved because they
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believe the message and believed on the name of the Lord Jesus
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Christ. But it says in verse 15, who
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talked about Peter and John when they were come down, prayed for
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them that they might receive the Holy Ghost.
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For as yet he had not, He was not fallen upon none of them,
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only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus, then
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laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy
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Ghost. So.
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That's one of the reasons I say it's not the same thing.
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Like, I think these people were already saved, but they had not
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had this feeling of the spirit. Would you agree with that?
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I mean, would you agree with that analysis of that?
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Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
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Yeah, no, that's, that's 100% right there.
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There's definitely a flow there that, well, I tell you what or
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how it is up and we're going to jump it off right there.
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The only word of encouragement or direction that I would give
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on this whole topic to anyone listening is is go share the
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gospel. Go and do the work of the Lord
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and he will see fit that you have the power to do it.
1:02:04
You know, I, I don't doubt his ability.
1:02:07
I might not know exactly the, the, the, the way he's going to
1:02:11
do everything, but I do know that he is able to cause you to
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say the word that he needs and stuff like that.
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So anyway, yeah, keep at it. Keep your chin up, keep your
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head up, read the word, be in the word and he will guide you,
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lead you, direct you. Hey, thanks brothers.
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Appreciate this time. It's great.
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Great study like always. So we'll sign off.
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Thank you very much. Have a great week.