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The Defender of Mother Russia | Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya · Beheaded

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to season two, episode nine.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Megan Moore.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_01: We are no longer in a funk.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: We refuse to be submitted in submission to the funk.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: In submission to the funk.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: Is that how you say that?
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: We were a little bit down in the dumps last time.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm so sorry.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: Don't apologize.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: Don't apologize.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: Don't apologize.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't apologize for myself or my actions ever.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I just if that's your feelings, if that's how you you uh you know are feeling inside, you go with it.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: I was uh like editing the last time, last was it, two weeks ago, our episode.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I was just like, damn, we sound depressed.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like our whole tone, everything.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: We were just like monotone.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: We were like, I hate the sun.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: I listened to the springtime.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: I listened to it on a run.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't a very long run.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was like, well, I guess for some.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: But it was like an eight-mile run.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: And like it was towards the end of my run, and uh a different podcast I listened to was ending, and then ours kicked on, and it was just us being like, yeah, like you know, spring sucks.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I need this right now.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I know this is like my voice telling me this, but like when I was just like at that point in my run, I just needed some empathy.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: I needed someone to talk about.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: Of yourself, yeah, of your own voice telling you.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: You were also there, so it wasn't just me.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: Me encouraging.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying, it's you know, we're not.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is a podcast about execution.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't about rainbows and unicorns.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like shit's gonna get real sometimes.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: We're a little dark, but you know what?
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: We're in this together.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and um, I'm in a great mood this week.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: I feel pretty good this week.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: I feel pretty good.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: We were very productive over the weekend.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: You helped so much with things around my house.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I was gonna say, I feel like I'm over here all the time.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: You basically are.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm just gonna just like have a room for you eventually.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there's an extra bedroom I could just start posting up.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, I mean, I just I like to help you guys, you know, and we're cl we live so close, so I just kind of come over and do whatever you need.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: I went a little Pinterest crazy because I and it came like my my vision came real.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it looks like Pinterest, I was looking at like a homemade giant wall-to-wall desk that contains it's like three cabinets and then a wall-to-wall, it's basically just a wooden countertop, like meant for a kitchen.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: But of course, I wanted it perfect dimensions, so we got a 12-foot piece of wood to fill the entire side of the room.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I had my husband like stain it and sand it and made it look really nice.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's walnut, it's gorgeous, and then we were just like, How are we gonna get this upstairs?
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: Huge.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's 125 pounds, but it's 12 feet long.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: So we've mentioned this before, but Megan and I are petite girls, and so like Jake, her husband, was like, okay, like, you know, Elizabeth, since you're here, like you're gonna help us.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I can kind of help you lift it.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put it on the roof.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: And you, you and Megan, worse, I'm gonna climb up a ladder holding this onto the roof.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna go you and Megan are now gonna like negotiate it through the roof area into the window of the office.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, Hell no.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I and he's like, no, it's just about fulcrums, and it's about like, you know, it's not about just like scientific whole like full like physics.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, didn't you take physics?
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: You need a fulcrum.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: And we're like, don't give me the whole feet the physics spiel right now.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's not gonna work.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: I told him, I was like, Jake, I get what you're saying in terms of- I understand what a fulcrum is.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in terms of like the plan, but what I'm saying is the execution's not gonna go like you should.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be a botched execution.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: So we bought pizza for his buddies, and there's like four dudes over, and we were like ready to watch someone get their head split open, someone was gonna fall down off the roof.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like we all joked with them, we're like, Do you have your affairs in order?
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, Can we sign off on any last will and testaments?
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: But they did it so fast, like within less than a minute, I think they got up on the roof, they pulled it up, they went through the window.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was shocked.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: Me and another friend of ours, uh, we were both standing like in the office watching the guys take it over the roof, and we were like, This isn't gonna work, this isn't gonna work.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: We just saw them kind of like struggle with it and like awkwardly.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_00: I guess that sounds weird saying on the roof.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: On the roof means it's it's like but it's like more above the garage.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a flat surface.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's a flat surface, it's not like a shingled angle.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: And it went, and then there's like a window from my office that like goes out onto that ledge of a roof.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know, it's kind of hard to explain.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, anyways, it looks fantastic.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: We did that, it's all the the room still needs a lot of work, but I'll I'll try and get some pictures up because it's kind of like our combined workspace.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, because I think we do our best thinking there.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like I come over to work a lot since we work in the same company, and then also uh, you know, we get we're gonna podcast together there.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna become like our little podcast area.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: So we might put this cool gallery wall up above the desk that maybe features some executiones that we've done.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it looks good already, and it's like nowhere near done.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: But once it once it's finished, oh man.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, so good.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: So good.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, let's see, what else have we been up to?
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, well, I told you guys last time one of my marathons was postponed.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: A different marathon is now cancelled.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: Wam wam.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: Wam wom.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, technically not cancelled, but postponed like indefinitely into the fall.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, when you live in Arizona, we talked about this last time about how bad the heat is.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: You can't train in the summer.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's actually it's like it's like saying you're gonna go train in Chicago in the middle of winter.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, you technically can find a way, but you have to wake up at three and you're miserable, like it's too hot.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's not worth it.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's kinda like not humid, but if it ever rains, you get this weird muggy like atmosphere.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: So just it's not a good idea to train then.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, all right, cool, like Megan, whatever trip I thought I was gonna take at the end of April is now gone.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: So we've made an executive decision that that flight credit that we were gonna use towards that trip, we're now just gonna like repurpose.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna figure out another place to go.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm excited for that.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like we should just pick a place on the it just has to be domestic because I want to go international, but because of COVID, we have to still be safe.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: We can't be idiots about this.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and we can't go anywhere in California because literally everything's closed.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're not gonna be stupid about it.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna be like Disney World.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, honestly, let's like do that.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like I just want to go somewhere where we maybe we've both been and that we know we know it's like safe.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: Safe, yeah, you know, but we gotta get out of town.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Dodge.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going a little crazy inside.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I kind of am.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I've also been watching like a ton of crime documentaries recently.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like she's become very skittish.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't say skittish, I would say um cautious.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: I watched The Night Stalker, which is about what's his face from Mira's like crazy serial killer that came into people's homes in the middle of the night and would just murder them in disgusting ways and pull out their eyeballs and everything.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, okay, so last weekend I'm laying on my couch and I look up through like my living room to my kitchen, and I just see a guy staring through the window.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: Not just a guy, he's wearing a hood, like a hoodie with a baseball cap, sunglasses, a mask, which I guess the mask is kind of normal now.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: COVID and then like blue latex medical gloves, and he's just holding an axe.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: And what time was this?
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like 10 in the morning.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, not 11 at night, but sometimes a lot of break-ins happen in the middle of the day because they think you're off your guard.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: But he's holding an axe, like a pickaxe, not like an axe axe, but like a pickaxe, so it's like a big curvy thing on it.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, and so I thought it was weird.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: My husband goes out, and then the weirdest part is he left the axe, and then a little bit later we see him wandering around again, and my husband's like, Hey, like, can I help you?
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: And he didn't say anything, and then Jake comes out all like tough holding the axe.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Is this yours?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: And he was like, No, no, it's the other guy.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: And we're like, What other guy?
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, Is this yours?
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, No.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: So we took the axe.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, that I'm like, I am not going out that way.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not going out that way.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: You guys are so like suburban parenting.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: We're in the most suburban neighborhood.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: You guys live next to a tennis court, like like it's very like Scottsdale with like elderly retired people with a golf course, and like they're like, this is how it ends.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm I'm like, I mean, on one hand, like cool story.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't mind going out in an axe just to like have a cool story, but also that sounds miserable, so no.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: So we took the axe.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then I've got these two neighbors, Barry and Carrie.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Sweetest older couple.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think I met Barry the other day.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Barry and Carrie, they're an older gay couple, and they're just very sweet.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: I say because Carrie's like a woman's name, but they're both dudes, they're like older.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, anyways, so I saw him, I was like, hey, there is some guy walking around staring into my home with an axe.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, that's Juan.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, who the fuck is Juan?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, he's the landscaper.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, well, that makes more sense.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: As someone who's like 17% Spanish and Portuguese, I take offense.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: Poor Poor Juan.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: I feel bad for Juan.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: Poor Juan's just doing his job.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: But I wouldn't have been so weirded out if he didn't just been like, whoa, that's mine.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: The first thing that Megan said to me was he was staring in the window.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, you mean he was staring at the giant plant at your window?
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, well, maybe.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, he was staring in the window.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, he had a pickaxe.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, so he had a gardening tool and he was looking at the water.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: No, it was a murder weapon.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, I saw Juan walking around the other day.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: This time, same getup, same like gloves, mask, holding a giant knife.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know, someone's gonna tell him, like, you can't walk around with knives and axes and you know, look in people's homes.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm on edge.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of crime documentaries out there.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: I guess you know, COVID brain gets to you, and you watch one too many crime documentaries, you host a podcast on beheadings.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: I guess it happens.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I felt a little bad.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Next time I see Juan, I might like, I don't know.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe say something nice to Juan when you see him.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: Give him an apple or something.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's strange and patronizing.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: No, just like, I don't know, give him some type of a gift of hey, thank you.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I took your axe.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, he came back looking for his axe, so I just kind of left it where I found it and then it was gone again.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: So all is well.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Juan has his pickaxe back.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not dead.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: Just adjusting into the neighborhood just fine.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, new neighborhood.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you hosted your first uh like four A the other night.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: Dr.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: John.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: Dr.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: John.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: Dr.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: John came over.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: He was in our episode about uh, what was it?
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: Block that block that catch him, yeah.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um he's doing great.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen, I feel like, you know, we just like don't see a lot of friends anymore, so it's nice having.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: He works in the COVID ward too, which cases are going down, he said.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: He did say his cases are going down.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: So um we're moving right along, I guess, you know.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Any other updates you have before we get into our execution-e?
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no, no, just uh again, trying to find a spot on the map that makes sense.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: We're just gonna randomly like go to Google map and point on something.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we tried that, remember?
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: Megan Megan was at her computer and she's like, I'm just gonna pick a place.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: And she was swirling her finger around.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, You're in the Pacific Ocean.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: In the Pacific Ocean.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Megan, move your finger.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, are you trying to end up in Hawaii?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Or I was like, I wouldn't mind Hawaii, but they have really hard restrictions getting in and out again.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be a little tough right now.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: I love Hawaii, but yeah, I I think we need to stick to the southeast of America or something.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: But if we go to Epcot, we can go everywhere.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: All over the world.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I thought about.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, if we go to Epcot.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: We should consider this.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think we might, like, tonight.
• 11:34
  unknown: Let's just book it.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just do it.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: Let's just do it.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: If we get through this bottle of wine, maybe we'll we'll be talking to you next time being like, eh, we booked it.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and speaking of bottle line, once again, we don't have anything that's themed.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: We prom it's the new house.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes we're doing good with it.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Megan's new house.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: We did Louis Louis XVI correctly, but you know, we'll get it back eventually.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: Just kind of bear with us.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right now we're having gnarly head, uh, authentic harvest blend.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: That kind of relates to who we're gonna talk about.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: She's gnarly.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: She's gnarly.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_00: She's got a head.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: She's got a head.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: She kept her head.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: Kept her head.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: A little bent at the end, but um, we have another woman.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Another woman.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: Another Russian.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: Really excited about this one.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you're gonna pronounce her name.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: Her name is eight syllables long.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: We did a sound check where all we did was practice her name.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I can't get it.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: To preface her name, uh, it was it's actually constructed by joining two saints' names, like two Russian saints' names together.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: So one saint's name was Cosmos and the other was Damien.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: So her name is Zoya Kosmodamyanskaya.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: Whoa! I think he did it.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm gonna do it.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: Zoya.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: Cosmodamaskanya.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Very close.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm gonna spell it.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, wow.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: Zoya Z-O-Y-A.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: K-O-S- I'm also reading it.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not, I'm this isn't off the top of my head.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say K-O-S-M-O-D-E-M-Y A-N-S-K-A-Y-A.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Eight syllables.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: What the actual were they thinking?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's a very long last name, but you know, we love the girl.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: We need Elena to pronounce it for us.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: We yeah, we should call Elena.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: Lifeline to a friend.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but honestly, we're just gonna call her Zoya, and she's amazing.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: Wonderful girl.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know us though.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: We're like already bad with pronouncing names to begin with, and then we choose the person with the hardest Russian last name ever.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, she's going by Zoya.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: Zoya's amazing.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna start with saying Zoya and I share a birthday.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I already feel connected.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was actually crazy because I was writing my notes down, and the first thing I wrote down was September 13th, and I was like, oh, Megan, that's my birthday.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Did you know?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: September 13th, 1923.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was not born in 1923.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: No?
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: No?
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: 1989.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like can say you look great for your age.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: So you're like a combo of Zoya and Taylor together.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: What a powerful woman you are.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my girl T Swift.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, uh, she's Russian, as we've mentioned.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: Her family is Russian Orthodox.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: Hardcore Russians.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Do we want to say what she is before we just go into early life?
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: So what she was was she's the Soviet partisan, which basically means she's like a m or a member of the resistance movement that basically fought guerrilla war against the Axis powers during World War II.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and she's she's very young, so we'll kind of go into again her very short but brilliant life.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: So you can go ahead with her early life.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I honestly not a whole lot in her early life.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: All we know is like her family was very strictly religious, there was a lot of priests in her family.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Her grandfather was murdered in 1918 by some mil militant atheists.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: So they were already kind of like surrounded by some scandal, I would say.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um and just to like lay the background, uh, you know, so we covered obviously the Romanovs in 1915, I believe, is when they died.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh 18.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: Shoot, thank you.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, that coincides with the death of her grandfather, the murder of her grandfather.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: But so interesting.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: So just so you're we're clear in like the time and place in history, this is like Russia after the fall of Imperial Russia, and now the Soviets are taking over.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: So the Bolsheviks are coming into power.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: I love saying that word, Bolsheviks.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: Bolshevik.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so a lot of, like Megan said, the like military atheists and people that didn't really believe in the Russian Orthodox Church are kind of trying to make examples of the Russian Orthodox people by being like, oh, like you guys, and you you know, worship your idols, and is you know, similar things that have happened to murderer over them.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, her father was a librarian and her mom was a school teacher, so like very humble background, I would say.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um the dad actually was in seminary school too for a while.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, he did not graduate though, right?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: So he just became a librarian.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he actually died when Zoya was 10.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_00: Of some type of like intestinal surgery complications.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds intense.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, get it, intense intestines.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: I get where your head was.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh in 1929, though, the family moved to Siberia just in fear of persecution because things were getting so like outlandish and kind of scary.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then shortly after the next year in 1930, they moved to Moscow.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so where they were from originally though is actually Tambov, which Elaine is from.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that weird?
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: She's a combination of both of us.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that funny?
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Her her whatchamacallit hometown?
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Her hometown.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: We read that and we're like, oh, we literally like she brought us shot glasses last time she was home.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um bring vodka out of vodka out of Pambov uh glassware.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so it was cool.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh yeah, we know this town.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so she was really very, very good in school.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: She was a pretty bright girl, very smart.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, didn't really get along with a lot of kids though.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: So they think that perhaps she probably could have excelled even more had she been like that full package of personality and brains.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: But she really loved English and science, kind of just well-rounded with her education.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she missed a lot of school because she had meningitis for some bit of time, but she still graduated on time, which kind of just proves that she was smart, smart and resourceful and figured it out.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and she again she didn't form a lot of relationships with people in her school, so she started kind of looking out of school to form bonds with people and to form relationships.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: And what she did was at a very young age in um 1938.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so she was only uh 15 at this point.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but when she's 15, she joins the Com Somol, if I'm saying that right, which is essentially like the Leninist Young Communist League.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a youth division of the Communist Party.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: So you know, again, very smart, very bright girl, but found those relationships in her comrades in this youth division.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: So that's where she formed strong bonds with people.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's where she was like, I'm about Mother Russia and defending my motherland.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what so much of this, like between Russia and like Germany was known for this too, obviously.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: The propaganda with the young population, and it was all about getting them in young, kind of brainwashing them a little bit.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think you can say brainwash.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but really being like, you need to fight for your country, you need to love your country, you need to die for your country, and it doesn't matter.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: So she put everything else to the side, and she was like, I think it was genuine.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, she was like a full-blooded Soviet Union type of gal.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like she was like, This is my country, I love Stalin, Stalin is our you know, savior and everything, and she really drank the Kool-Aid.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, she liked what she liked.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: I I did read somewhere that she had plans to go to the big university, which nowadays is like St.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Petersburg, yeah.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, University of St.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Petersburg, yeah.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I mean, this obviously they were in the middle of a world war, so this took the forefront.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: It took precedent.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: This took precedent of our going to school.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: So she's like this little, like, you know, 15-year-old in a communist league.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I I will say too, because Oh, Zoya.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh Zoya.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Live your life, Zoya.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: When uh You go Zoya.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: You go Zoya, you go Glencoco.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so when we first read this, I was like, wow, like it must be really hard to just be amongst all these mostly boys in this youth division or whatever, and you're maybe the only girl.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: But that's actually not true.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: We were reading more, and we found out that a lot of women, um, you know, young girls were in uh the the youth division of the Communist Party, so they were in the same camp she was, and then a lot of older women joined the Red Army.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like it wasn't that strange to be a woman.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think they said something like 40% of all the medical staff that were in the Red Army were women.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there was a big presence of women um in this era that were kind of ready to fight again for Mother Russia.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um I even read Oh, Mother Russia.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: I love saying Mother Russia.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Mother Russia.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of it was like, oh, Mother Russia.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Mother Russia.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna start saying that.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: People are gonna look at me like what'd you say?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so they they said a lot of the women too that were like um like uh fighter pilots uh were actually called night witches.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, isn't that a cool term?
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: That is so cool.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: So I was like, there so it was kind of known that like there was a lot of presence of women who were ready to fight too.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you know, so many so that they didn't really have like custom-made uniforms or anything like that.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like they had to wear a lot of like men's clothing because they just weren't prepared for like all the women that they were gonna have enlisted in the army.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of cool.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: So so yes, she obviously is an anomaly because she is so young and she is female and she's giving up everything to fight for Russia, but at the same time, like it wasn't that unique.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: There was a lot of young women at the time who were kind of ready to do the same thing.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: So on October 31st, 1941, do the math.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: How old is she?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, she gave you by this time 17?
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yes, seven.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, eighteen.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: Eighteen.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so she's eighteen, and she joins uh sabotage school, is what they called them.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: Sabotage school.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Is what they call them.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, I need to sign up for sabotage.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, you haven't heard of this?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: Sign up.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Go to your local Jama Jews, they've got flyers.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's a young communist again, like party, but they um, it's all volunteer-based, completely volunteer.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: She joins military use unit 9903.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: There's about 2,000 volunteers, like young teenagers.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: Of those 2,000, 950 of them don't make it.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so this is intense.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: This isn't like you're just gonna go and play army.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: But they actually utilize the Girl Scouts of America.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, not Girl Scouts.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: No, um, they went through a whole training.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: There's like cool pictures online we were seeing of like again, like the young girls uh shooting like target practice and like learning how to use weapons and just in like boot camp, basically.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: So they did a short period of training before they're basically sent out on missions.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: Can you go into a little bit?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, um about unless you had something else to say, but you had a lot of good details about like Stalin.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Versus Hitler at this time, because I was like, we were reading about this separately, and I was like, I'm sorry, Elizabeth, but dumb question.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: I thought Russia and Germany were on the same side.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: They yeah, and initially they were.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: So um, you know, when Hitler was coming to power, Stalin kind of agreed with Hitler, like, hey, like, I'm not gonna, you know, really be against you in this.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I get I get your goal.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: They were very similar in terms of how they used propaganda to really bolster themselves up.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: They were both very nationalistic in their identities.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so Stalin kind of said to Hitler early on, like, you know, it I'm not gonna be in your way.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we're not necessarily gonna be like partners and fight throughout all this, but you know, we have kind of a peace accord here.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: So at the beginning of World War II, that's how they operated.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: But as the years passed and the more and more countries that kind of fell to Nazi Germany, that's when Hitler did what a lot of men did throughout history, you know, ever since the Roman Empire, but they look at this huge motherland.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: I keep saying that.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: I love Russia.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: So they keep looking at this giant land of Russia and they say, that's what I have to conquer.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, eventually the greed got too big for Hitler and he did turn his armies to start fighting off Soviet the Soviet Union.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: See, I've learned that too.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I always like to.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: All these communists and socialists, like they're all kind of in the same boat.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Right, yeah.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's not eventually, uh, you know, Hitler got too big for his britches and did want to dominate Russia.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I think like Napoleon was the last person to want to do the same thing, but eventually, anyone who goes up against Russia.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so she's in this sabotage school.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh I have one more point to make too about her sabotage school.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: So when she did um, like I keep calling it, I love sabotage school.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: I want to I want to go to a place called sabotage school.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what I want a shirt that says sabotage.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know mine's gonna established I graduated 1923.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but anyway, she went into it with a new identity because she didn't want to be known as Zoya.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: She wanted to kind of create this alter ego personality.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so she called herself Tanya when she went in.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not sure they don't like say um in any of the research, like they don't say if it was specifically so she could protect herself later if they ever needed her real identity, or if she just felt better having like this alter ego that she can kind of use.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's a smart strategy though.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Either way, that's what celebrities do.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: They go in with they have like a different name, yeah, and they can kind of segregate their new identity from their real self.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: And like that, I mean, like Rocket Man with Elton John, you know, and he talks about how when he changed his name to Elton John, like he took on this larger than life, you know, personally.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you would be surprised, even like Reese Witherspoon, that is not her name.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a lot of really basic.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of like uh what I've noticed whenever I like look up a celebrity or whatever, not that I do often, but it's usually like a combination of like either their middle name and their mother's maiden name or whatever.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: They always do all these like funny things.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: What are you looking up now?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking at Rhys Witherspoon's real name is Laura Jean.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: Laura Jean?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Laura Jean Reese Weatherspoon.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Vastly different.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like no, so many people have completely different names.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: So but that sounds like Norma Jean, which is merely me.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: But well, that's like a very it's a psychological thing too, because people who are able to change their identity and then like go back home and they still call her Laura Jean, um, you know, you see, yeah, it's a healthier, and you're able to like be able to put on a show a little bit more, and then step away from it when you need to.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know when you're on and you know when you're off.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like that's what Zoya did.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: I I think so.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, so she's she's graduated sabotage school.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: She's in unit 9903.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they are put on missions, which mostly has to do with blowing things up.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: So they would lay mines out on the road, and their whole thing was like, you know, obviously, like they're kind of like little backup ants for like taking down the Germans here and there, like little assistants.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're like little spies, like doing little tiny, like they'll go run off and go do this little project now.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they were cutting communication lines, uh, they were just doing whatever they could to really just like, you know, cut off the Germans from advancing forward further into Russia.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so they're not actually like battlefare.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: They're not in trench warfare.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: They're not up in like fighter jets or anything, but they're sent on these little missions to try to stop the Germans.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, November 27th, 1941.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: Same year.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Same year.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: She's 18 years old, and this is really where the story starts of why she's famous now.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she is sent on a mission with two others, Boris and Vasili.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna say their names.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you're saying their last names.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: Boris Kray Nev and Vasily Klupkov.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why I say it's right.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: Klupkov.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Or Klubkov, I don't know, Enzoya.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Megan will now recite a page from War and Peace with an accent.
• 26:55
  unknown: Yeah.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they're set on a mission to go set fire to three houses in can you say that word?
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um Petrushevo.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: Which is a city.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: Petrucevo.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: When you do like a little I tried to, you know, just get it out.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Elizabeth's hand is like a helicopter.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to think of Elena.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm centering, I'm like channeling my inner Elena.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: Petruscivo.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's Russian.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: So basically it's a little village, and they know that German sho German soldiers and officers are stationed.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: They're stationed, they're taking over houses and using them as like little base camps.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: So they're gonna go and blow up these houses.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: Set fifth.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you wanna take over?
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I feel like I'm like going through all this.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, so so they go, they do successfully set fire to at least three houses in this village.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then they they break up.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: I believe it's Boris is the first one who says, like, oh, I'll meet up with you later.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: Boris peaced out.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then he did not.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they just never saw Boris get.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: What happened to him?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: We never we never like read about that.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's like, and I can't remember between Boris or Vasili, but one of them was thought to have betrayed Zoya.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: So someone tell me more.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know more.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: But there is there's like a train of thought that the reason why he didn't meet up is because he was gonna like give up his friends essentially.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: But they never met up with them.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Vasily later was also captured by the Germans.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: So at this point, they're all scattered and you know, broken up.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: So Zoya, who is not a weak person, she's not like, oh, I just should go retreat and wait for orders.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, Well, I'm gonna continue the mission.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, I don't care if it's just me, I'm gonna keep burning things down.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: So she's like, Alright, we burned down three houses.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Let's I'm gonna go burn more by myself.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: So she goes, you know, on her on her mission, but at this point, the German military that were stationed in those little houses, um, they kind of rallied the local residents to prevent any future arson.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they're on high alert at this time because there's already things burning down.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: They know something's going on.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: They've already arrested Vlaslevi or whatever Vasili.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: Vasili.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was Boris.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I guess both of us.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: Boris ran away.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: Vasily.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: This is Boris, you bitch.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: I just keep thinking of Grandpa Boris from Rugrats, the Jewish thing.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, also Megan recently started re-watching Rugrats.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, you don't need to get into a tangent about Rugrats.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: Hulu has all the Rugrats.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: And we actually were kind of creeped out by it watching it again as adults, right?
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was kind of bad animation and not that funny.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was funny.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: I was a kid.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, like now?
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't know.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, Boris reminds me of my grandfather.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, go on.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Is your Russian grandfather name Boris?
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: No, he just reminds me of him.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I see.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: Not this Boris, the Rugrats Grandpa Boris.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: Gotcha.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: So we're all clear.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'll just remove all of that part from the keep it in, keep it in.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: They need to know.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so uh so at this point they uh the Germans like what?
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: Not on high alert.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay, yes, thank you.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: High alert, they alert all of the residents and they say, hey, like, and they mostly frame it like, we're on your side.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, do you really want your houses to be burned down?
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Do you really want to let these arsonists like run free?
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: And these villagers are like, no.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: So they all band together and they all agree that they're gonna try and catch whoever these arsonists are.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so eventually a guy who finally spots Zoya, and again, they didn't know it was Zoya, they didn't know her name was Tanya, they didn't know anything about her, but they spot this person and they say, That's that's the guy.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: They think it was a guy initially because she did have short hair and obviously is doing these, you know, seemingly masculine things.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: So the guy who spots her was given a bottle of vodka for his effort, like, oh good job, you c you caught the arsenist.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: So they give him a bottle of vodka and the guy goes on his merry way.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: Which really you have a fun.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: No, okay, but quick s side.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: I I just googled Petrush.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: Say it again.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: The city?
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I already turned my page a little bit.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: The village that they're in, it's Petrushvo.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: Petrushevo.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: Because I was like, wait, where is this exactly?
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's in a rural part in Russia.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: So they're on Russian land.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, I know, but like, so the Germans are there, but that's why it was kind of interesting that the peasants in this village were basically like calling out their own kind.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's because they were broken.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, that makes sense.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: But more fun facts.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Currently, the last um the last time they checked, which was in 2002, population is 10.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: 10 people.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: As of two it says as of 2002, the population is 10 people.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: Currently, the weather is negative 25 degrees, which is negative 32 degrees Celsius.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: Should we call Elena and ask her if she knows of this town?
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm praying for these people right now.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: 10 people huddled together in negative 26 degrees Fahrenheit.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, these poor souls.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's called Darwinism.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, Tripadvisor.com, the best things to do in Petra Show.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, please.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's empty.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um no, they have a museum of Zoya.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: And a monument.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, sorry, I'm getting sidetracked.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: We'll get to that at the end.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: I bet all 10 people work there.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so a guy was given a bottle of vodka because he finally spotted Zoya.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: So Zoya is then arrested.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: Later, though, the Soviet also arrested that same guy and he was put to death.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: He should have been.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, should have.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: I hope that bottle of vodka was worth it.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: So Zoya is arrested.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: She's stripped of her clothes.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: She's beaten and she's tortured.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, and again, because the village people, these 10 village people, were so upset with them, like there were women like throwing dishwater on her, and it is freezing cold.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is November in Russia.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: Negative.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, it's Jan.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: What what month are we?
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: We're in February.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: We were in 2021 sometime.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: I forget the days and the months.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: Something about time and space.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, well, right now it's negative 26 slash negative 32 degrees Celsius.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: So she's out there and she's like basically practically naked.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: She's barefoot and they're walking her through the snow, and people are throwing dirty dishwater at her.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's disgusting.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: So sad.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: And so they they said that she had 200 lashes on her.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: She's been burned, like people were like trying to interrogate her and were putting these burn marks on her face.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: They tortured her all night long.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what Zoya did?
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: She did not speak a word.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: She did not give up any information.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Strong.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, if she said anything, she just said, My name's Tanya, which that in itself is a lie.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: That wasn't even true.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: That was the only thing she said was my name's Tanya, that's all I'm telling you.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so so finally, after a full night of torture, they decide they're gonna execute her.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so they also had Klubkov, Klubkov arrested the boy.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Vlub Vasili.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Vasily.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um the one who got arrested.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: They also had Vasili.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he was not as strong as as Zoya.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: We can just say that.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: He was very soft.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: He did not like torture.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: Wasn't a fan.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, also, he basically admitted after the fact that he was afraid of getting shot, so he was loose lips.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: Loose lips sink ships.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: He even loose lips sink ships.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's cool.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I said.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: I never heard that.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: You've never heard that?
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's a cool expression.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's also one of Taylor's post ones, he goes, loose lips.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's why you know it.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: Loose lips sink ships all the damn time.
• 34:19
  unknown: Oh.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: But it's like actually a phrase a loose lips.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: I missed it.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think we cut out.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Can you sing it again?
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: Loose lips sink ships all the damn time.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, good.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he went as far as like they they put them face to face and he was like, Who is this?
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: After all night, she's like, I'm Tanya.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: He was like, That's Goya Cosmodame sconcia.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really trying.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so he was just like totally weak.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure she's like, What the hell, bro?
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: I've been tortured all night just like you have, and you don't see me talking.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: And he was singing for the birds that night, evidently.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: So singing like a canary.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: He was singing like a canary, and those loose lips were sinking ships.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: I see.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so they held on to him a little bit longer, but they were once they they did not like Zoya, I think because she's a female and wasn't giving up any information.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: Not giving up anything, and she didn't like cry.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like when they were torturing her, they like she wasn't screaming or like they weren't getting the satisfaction they needed from it.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, one German soldier who was part of the torturing, like, couldn't even handle it because they were like whipping her so much turn away.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: He like left the room, and I guess the rest of the night because they were using like one of the like villagers' houses, like um, so one of the locals like was kind of housing them while they were doing this, and they were just like, This was terrible to watch, and the one of the German soldiers couldn't even handle it.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: He came out and like put his head in his hands at the kitchen table or whatever.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: Right, isn't it?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: And these people that kind of torture for a living.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: She's an 18-year-old girl, right?
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's terrible.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: When the morning arrived and they were ready to execute her, um, she was marched to the center of the village of 10 people, and she had to wear a sign, and you know, it roughly translates to house burner or arsonist.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and they also put like little gas tanks around her neck, too, to show like this is what she did to the town.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but again, like she wasn't torture, she was very brave when she went to this like makeshift scaffold.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um it was basically like a little like scaffold, and then they piled up boxes for her.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: They had like a few cases for her.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, cases or boxes, and then they put, you know, put the noose around her neck.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um but she had very powerful final words.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: She did.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: But before that, the Nazis, they love documenting a good execution.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, because they're so as she's double people's boxes.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: There's one German who's taking pictures of her, and the executioner was ready to like do the deed, and he was they held up their feet, like, whoa, no, no, no, no, no.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, one minute, let me get a few more shots here.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so she's standing there with this sign around her neck saying she's an arsonist, the noose around her neck, she's shivering in the freezing cold, she's completely bruised.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just painting the image, like pictures.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: And they're staying there taking pictures.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like pictures in the first place.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: You do that while I'm on the scaffold.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Also, like, aren't we kind of glad we have those pictures now for people like us who truly want to like put her in good memory?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I guess, but you know, but poor thing.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, okay, final words.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: Probably, I think out of all of our episodes, Stanka was good when he said, Shut up, you dog.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then he died.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: But she's got some good final words.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: You want me to read it?
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: I get the honor.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have them.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: Her final words were Hey comrades.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: Why are you looking so sad?
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: Be brave, fight, beat the Germans, burn, wipe them out.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not afraid to die, comrades.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: It is happiness to die for one's people.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then she turns to the Germans and she looks at them and then she says, You hang me now, but I'm not alone.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: There are 200 million of us.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: You can't hang us all.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: They will avenge me.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then before the moment of hanging with the rope around her neck, her final thing she said is Farewell, comrades, fight, do not be afraid.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: Stalin is with us.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Stalin will come.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: I just said that really dramatically, but on purpose.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: You sounded just like her.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: Except without the Russian.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so so after that, they kicked the box out from under her and she hangs.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: And they left her body on the gallows for several weeks.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because again, they have to make an example.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Especially, you know, with the sign round her neck and all of that.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: And it was frozen outside.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: This is in November.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: So it was probably like her body wasn't, it was probably just like freezing.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: And afterwards, they still desecrated her body.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: They actually cut off one of her breasts, which what the hell is unnecessary.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: Don't do that.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: What would you do with that?
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's just kind of sick fuck.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like, goes up and just like, let's do this.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to think about that.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um what's terrible is there's actually a picture which is just on the Wikipedia page of her corpse, and you can see the button boob and it's it's a scene.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then they also jabbed her with bayonets.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like they really just had no respect for her body when it was hanging there.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um and then finally they they took her down after about a month and and buried her.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but she wasn't, again, famous at this point.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: It was a small village, so no not that many people were in the world.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: And there was a lot of girls like her.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like a lot of girls were in this sabotage school.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: So there wasn't it, you know, a word didn't really get around quite yet.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: But it happened to be that the author, and I hope I say his name right, but I think it's like it's like Peter, it's like P-Y-O-T-R, I guess that's pronounced like Peter.
• 39:46
  unknown: Pyota.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: Pyota, um, Zidov.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, in 1942, he he was talking to somebody who had witnessed it.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: He was talking to an elderly person from the village who was like, Oh, you should have seen this, you know, like young female girl who was super brave and blah blah.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: And so he said, Wait, tell me more about that.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: So he learned about her through this first account witness, and then he went and he traveled to the to the village, so he collected more and more details about her death.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: All ten people?
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: All ten people.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm kind of mad you told me about the 10 or something.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was at least 100.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: That was just in 2002, though.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure maybe that's this situation, a lot of people left.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, not really good for the housing market.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so anyway, so he went back to the village, collected all this information, um, and then it was Stalin himself who read the article.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: So he read the article that Zod um Zidov had written, and he was like, Whoa.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, This girl is someone I can use to really get the propaganda going to really like show people, hey, if this young 18-year-old girl can die on behalf of her country, like so can you.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: So he proclaimed that, you know, he said, Here's the people's heroine.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: And he started this big campaign around her.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: He awarded her um the Order of the Hero of the Sor Soviet Union, um, all these crazy things that happened in the next couple of years.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like by 1944, she had a movie that was named after her.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's called Soya that came out.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: There were streets named after her, there were statues erected in her honor.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: I know they named a mountain after her.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: And they even one of the Russian uh scientists named a minor planet after her.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like she became just legend, like very similar to kind of Joan of Arc at that point because she was so a lot of similarities.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: And she was female.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: She was like this symbol of nationalism.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: Of like, if this girl can do it, and she's saying die, fight for the motherland, like right.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: No one, no one's got excuses.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: She was hardcore.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they found the German soldier who was the one taking the photos of her at the execution.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he died in battle because he was a soldier, and he died at one point, and someone was going through his camera roll?
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: His yeah, his bag, and they found the camera roll of photos, and they basically were able to save six photos of and that's those are the photos when you Google her.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I can put those on Instagram.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: Probably not.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to do the whole Mussolini thing again, because they're really sad of her.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, don't do any.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's a couple that are fairly okay, but don't nothing too graphic.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: No, nothing too graphic.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: But I highly encourage all of you to go turn off turn off your parental settings and go Google this because they're really, really sad and moving, and she's just stone cold, like up there.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like listening to her speech.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: She didn't she was brave.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, in one of the documentaries, it was talking a lot about like what she looked like in death, you know, and how again she was like stoic and you know, frozen and elegant looking in a weird way.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: But they also said that her like her nails were or her fingers were yellow and the nails were gone.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe part of her torture was that they removed all of her nails one by one.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, so just like very gruesome things that had happened to her body, just pure like disrespect.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but if we've referenced this a few times, but our executed today deck of cards, she's actually an ace in that deck.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh intentionally, she's the ace.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: So again, because she's such like a big, you know, nationalistic figure uh for the Russians, so she's the Russian ace.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: I um and I say intentionally because we're reading the article about her on executedtoday.com and uh the creator mentioned that that it was very intentional.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um I like Zoya.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: She's cool.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like her last name, but she's cool.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, a lot of similarities between her and Joan of Arc.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, we were Joan was 19.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, she was 18.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: When we were reading almost everything, I mean obviously Joan of Arc had a whole like army at her command, and it was at like a little bit of a bigger scale.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: But in terms of bravery and the things that they actually did.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it it was uh very, very simple.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Between the two.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: So, with that said, we have a new segment.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: We do.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: And it's called Sucker Punch.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: Megan, will you describe what the segment's about?
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: The concept is we bring up to the ring two executiones that we've done episodes on.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: The ring is in like a boxing ring.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: A boxing ring.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: And we do a bit of a compare and contrast, and we we have some very well-thought-out questions of who would win in each category.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well thought-out questions from Megan's brain that she thought of randomly.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, so so okay, so you're saying that it's a boxing match between Zoya and Joan of Arc.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: Joan of Arc.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because they're very comparable.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: So here's the rules.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna read out the question of like who would win this.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: Or who wouldn't have been?
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: Who's the first two or who's to whatever.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: And it's kind of like, don't they play these games at weddings?
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, is it the brilliant or the game?
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god, I don't care about the game.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so we're both gonna say our answer at the same time, and then we have to like justify it.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: Justify it, yeah.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, do we do like three, two, one, or are you just gonna say the question and then we just gonna say it.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: We have not practiced this.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: We have not, we haven't I have no idea what she's about to say, and you know Megan, she's a loose canon, so I'm sorry for any content that follows.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: Start off easy, okay.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: Who would have the strongest punch?
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: Jonah Bark.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, shit.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you tell me why you think.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: Because she had swords.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that is nothing to do with punching.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, she should wield it, like wheeled a sword.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she's strong.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like she was actually in battle.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: While Zoya just did like missionary, like arson is missionary.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, I'm sure that's the wrong word.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I know I agree with you because Zoya was more like, you know, yeah, like throwing fire on buildings and sneaking around and had to be very She was more like ninja-like, yeah.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: But I agree.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think Joan, and I think when they describe Joan, she's very they very much describe her like she's a man in terms of build.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like we, I think compared her to Brianna Tarth.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know how she's just like this big intimidating woman in armor.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I think Joan, hands down.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, me too.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_00: First to start crying.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: Joan.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: Joan.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Oh, Danny.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're supposed to have a lot of things.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: I we are supposed to, but uh yeah, I mean, I'll go this time first.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: But Joan, very obviously intimidating woman, but let's not forget our whole episode was called Relapsed Heretic.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: Because she did have a moment where she like gave up.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Gave up and freaked out.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: And remember, she was having like panic attacks in her cell.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: And that creepy movie we watched when Dustin Hoffman's like her conscience in the cell with her, like trying to talk her off the ledge.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I think, you know, as strong as she was, she did have a bit of a breakdown.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: Zoya, we have like zero record of crying.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay, this one's good.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: I hope we are different.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: Who would be the first to figure out how to work a computer?
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: Zoya.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: I can't even say I don't even know.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like a computer.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, like let's say they got pulled into a computer.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to do what you're doing, but I would say Zoya too.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh shit.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: She's smart.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because she's smart.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well, because Joan was like an uneducated peasant.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: Whoa, damn.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's what she was.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: She was uneducated, she was a peasant.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, she cries all the time.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not trying to explore her.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: She does what she was.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: And also, um, Zoya, again, like we said, she's ninja-like and she has to be very resourceful and like sneak around and you know, maybe plant bombs and mines and things.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: So she it has that technical knowledge.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, like the new technology might have been like, what the fuck is this?
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: But I think she could figure it out.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: Who would have more people show up to their book signing of their autobiography?
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: Joan.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone loves Joan.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: She's kind of famous.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think if you're Russian, you would probably say Zoya, because again, Russians are really into their people, their country.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: So, but I think in terms of the world, yeah, Joan would wear.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: I just have a couple more.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_01: A couple more, okay.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: First to wear a dress.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: Zoya.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:05
  unknown: Right?
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: Did Joan never wear a dress?
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: Do we talk?
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, no.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: I would say they forced her to wear a dress.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, but she still would be first.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: I retract my answer.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: Joan would be first to wear a dress.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is our first one we don't agree on.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: I would say Zoya.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me why.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's no indication that she didn't previously wear dresses, and that she was only wearing that outfit, and they thought she was a man because she had to be like running through the snow.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: So you're saying, like, I mean, there were pictures of her as a kid, and I guess she was wearing girly-ish clothing.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: So you're saying there's no record of her dressing like a boy, whereas Joan.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_01: Joan like deliberately didn't want to wear a dress.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: Was a cross-dresser, for sure.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would say that.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: But no, I don't agree with me.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not agreeing with you.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I understand where you're coming from, but I think Joan would be first because A, Zoya is very rebellious, and so if they're like, oh, like, how about you wear a dress?
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: She'd be like, fuck you.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas Joan did have that small moment where she's like, I'll just wear I'll wear my hair long and I will wear a dress and whatever.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I think she could be persuaded to wear a dress.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, this is a really good thing.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's a fun question.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: This is my last one.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_00: Who I can't see that's the last one.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: Who would get their Hogwarts letter first?
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: She saw visions of spirits when she was.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: She's basically a mythical creature.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: Right, yes.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: Alright.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: Zoya to me.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: Zoya's a muggle.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_01: She's a muggle.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know she's like, she's like Russian Orthodox and like, you know, she loves Stalin and loves her country.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think she's a little less creative than Joan.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: Joan's got a very creative, interesting mind where she sees spirits and hears people talking to her from the beyond.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: Those were the only questions I could think of.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: Did you have any others?
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: Who would be the first one to read War and Peace?
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: Zoya.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: I guess.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: Because she wanted to go to the big university.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: Could could Joan read?
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: Did we talk about it?
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, she was illiterate.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, remember when she had to like sign like her, they made her sign the thing to be like, hey, you were just lying, right?
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: But she didn't have a signature.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: She just like put an X where her name was.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: I forgot that part.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, you're right.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: And you think I'm being rude calling her an uneducated peasant, but I'm just saying, let's just calm down.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: We love Joan.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: We can't just throw her under the bus.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uneducated.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, but yeah, I guess Zoya would probably actually, it's funny that I say that because now that I'm saying it, I remembered that she actually had War and Peace, and she would she wrote in her journal pages from War and Peace.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like she would just, you know.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Copy them?
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, copy pages from War and Peace.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a silly question.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: But it was weirdly deep embedded in my brain, and I think that's why it came out.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um who would be the first to go to a Taylor Swift concert?
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_00: Oh god, who cares?
• 50:48
  unknown: Oh my gosh.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: Joan.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like Joan.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: I like Zoya too.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_00: But yet another woman in season two.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: So many women.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we I was looking back, we only had we've only had two men this season.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa, do we need to calm down on the women?
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, because literally, like when we created this season, it was really just uh throwing out names of like people we admire and people we really wanted to learn more about.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so we really didn't like plan it to be women, it just ha shook out that way.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll do more dudes next time.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, I don't think we need to like intentionally do guys.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: If they come up, if they're if they're worthy, hell.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: Most women are worthier.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I think it's fine.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, Elizabeth, any final words?
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_01: Farewell, comrades.