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Raja Jackson, Syko Stu, Forbidden Door, Clash in Paris · ABJ

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  What is going on everybody? ABJBP Burke back on the call
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  Tornado tag on the ABJ podcast. Today we're going to be covering
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  the weekend's recent PPL ES with Forbidden Door and Heat Wave,
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  the upcoming clash in Paris, the Raja Jackson and Stew Psycho
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  Stew incident and much more. Let's get on with the show.
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  BP Burke. What is going on bud?
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  Everything, everything's going on.
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  Lots are going on, yeah. I, I burned out my light in the
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  back, so I have no more fancy lights until I can get a new one
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  and replace it. So, so we're going, we're going
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  raw dog with the lighting today. You know what I mean?
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  Yeah, as my lighting gets better, yours gets worse.
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  So it's it's. Just a color aspect, Yeah, but
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  your, your camera looks gorgeous.
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  It looks amazing. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's a big
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  upgrade, big upgrade. I can.
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  I can show off the wrestling wall now.
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  Yeah, it looks good, looks good. But actually as of tonight, as
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  of this is recording my belt makers like 2 blocks down the
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  street from my house. And as soon as this is done, I
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  get my my brand new title and then I hand him your tag team
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  title and maybe a title back there and we get some
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  modifications done. But let's get into this week in
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  wrestling. The first one we're going to
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  cover is the big one is the one everyone's talking about.
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  What everyone's going. Literally everyone, I think
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  everybody in the United States besides you and I have weighed
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  in on this thing. Yeah, well, now's our chance,
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  BP. The world has been waiting.
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  What does ABJ and BP Ferg think of what happened at what is it
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  called Knox? Knox Pro Yeah, Knox, which was
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  no longer, as it seems, a WWEID developmental school.
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  Good. Owned by, yeah, owned by.
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  I believe the primary owner is Reno Onawaii, who is also known
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  as the Black Pearl. I believe he was the primary
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  owner of the the company and also Rikishi was is one of the
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  trainers there. Before we get into the incident,
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  let's just talk about the locker room of this place as of someone
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  who we've been in some pro wrestling locker rooms.
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  Yeah. What do you what do you think of
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  how how it's getting? Well, I mean, the thing with
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  this, and this is kind of the crux of like what my limited
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  expertise would say, you always have to be so, so, so careful
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  when you're doing anything with a non wrestler.
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  And I've never been in this situation.
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  But that goes double if that non wrestler is like a boxer, an MMA
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  fighter, a Muay Thai kickboxer or something like that, where if
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  things go South, they could get ugly very quickly.
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  But yes, by and large, if you're dealing with somebody who is not
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  a wrestler, who is not with it, you really have to be very
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  delicate. And, and that starts from the
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  top. That starts from the top.
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  That starts from ownership management booking.
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  You have to be careful. Yeah, I did think it was very
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  entertaining that they kept saying we'll talk to the
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  president about it, We'll talk to the president.
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  If I ever went to a promotion and they said go talk to the
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  president, I'd be like, I'm fucking leaving, what are we
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  doing here? So I will say this.
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  The president, I didn't see this the like the president of the
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  United States. No, they call.
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  They treat their wrestling school like a fucking motorcycle
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  club. It's wild to me.
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  Yeah, like. The president.
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  And promotions, especially ones that have schools attached to
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  them, can be very culty sometimes.
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  Yes, yes they can. Yeah, and that locker room
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  definitely show. And it also showed to me that
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  they don't like to pay money because some of that locker room
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  was rough. Yeah, yeah.
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  But it it's students usually and, and you, you try to give
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  your students opportunities like part of the idea of a wrestling
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  school to to kind of defend the concept of a wrestling school.
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  Part of the idea of a wrestling school is if somebody's new, if
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  somebody's kind of still learning the ropes, if
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  somebody's still, you know, not quite ready to travel and and
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  learn even more, they can get their early reps in a in a, in a
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  more safe environment. And so, yes, so that that's part
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  of it. Not to defend you know there
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  will be very little defending of Knox pro in in this from my end
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  and I think from your end as well.
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  Yeah, but but just in general, I think that's that's what's going
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  on there is is sometimes you do want to, you know, give your.
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  People a shot. I don't know the cowboy
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  character name. That's the only guy's name.
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  Oh, AJAJ mana, I guess it is her mana is I think it's.
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  Too AJ, we'll just say AJAJ invites Raja to Raja is a RA.
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  I don't know, Raja. I believe it's Raja, the son of
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  Quentin Rampage Jackson. The son of Quentin Rampage
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  Jackson, he invites him to the to the show.
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  They trained together at the gym.
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  He's a pro, he's an MMA guy as well as a pro wrestler.
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  He invites him to the show. Raja come, Raja comes backstage
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  and once again they're backstage.
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  Usually if you're backstage and and if you have a camera, you're
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  probably somewhat in the know or what's going on.
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  I I don't know, I'll I'll pose this question later, but I'll
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  kind of go through the key the key events that happened here.
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  So they're backstage, Stu and and Raja get kind of in a face
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  to face Stu's. I mean, from a wrestling
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  standpoint. I now I have debated this in in,
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  in countless TikTok lives because I genuinely am putting
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  myself more in spaces where I can talk to non wrestling fans
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  or different types of wrestling fans so I can gauge their
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  headspaces. So I can bring it to this
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  podcast and try to say, hey, BP, this is what people legit think.
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  So we're going to get into some fun ones here.
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  But from a standpoint of knowing professional wrestling, Stu's
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  clearly working Stu. Stu is trying to do an angle.
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  He's he's, he's playing a bit, he's doing a character and he
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  takes a can, which by the way, Mark Henry, it was a can, not a
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  bottle. You should probably watch the
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  footage again before you weigh in on it.
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  That's fucking insane to me that like, First off, I don't know if
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  this happened to you, but a lot of people at my job and other
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  places know I'm the pro wrestling guy.
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  Like if you're in your everyday life and people know you as the
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  pro wrestling guy, I've been approached by this story and
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  this is something that affects the business at every level,
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  from fans to everybody. This is a rough story for us as
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  a business, you know what I mean?
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  So to not get a detail as a bottle, that's crazy to me.
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  But anyway, go go watch Mark Henry on Busted Open.
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  I'm sure he has amazing other takes.
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  He dropped the ball in this one. So he gets a can and he does a
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  worker shot. He puts his hand on his head and
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  hits him with the can. He doesn't even flinch.
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  So you know he didn't put anything on that hit.
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  First off, rewind wiser open beer before the show even
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  starts. Well.
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  It's a wrestling show, so that there you.
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  Go Well, I'm just going to put that out there.
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  There's one strike on your promotion right there that dudes
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  are drinking before the show. Don't like that?
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  Yeah. I'm not a fan of it either.
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  Yeah, no. One after the show.
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  After the show. Drink all you want, as long as
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  you're not. After your match.
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  After your match, have a beer but stay out of everyone else's
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  way that who still has to work. If you want to have a beer or
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  smoke or whatever you do, have your match and then stay the
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  fuck away from everybody else and enjoy what you do after your
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  match. No beef with that.
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  But pre show before anything happens and there's open cans.
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  Not good. Not.
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  Good. Yeah.
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  All right. Yeah, that is so it's true.
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  Yeah. So they immediately face off.
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  I don't like that. He feels disrespected.
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  It gets it gets tense. He still immediately realizes,
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  oh shit, I fucked up. He's not a worker.
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  I, I, I, I, I. He goes to apologize.
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  No apology except at the moment they keep talking.
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  Insert us. He's like us, we're always
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  working. We're going to do a whole angle.
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  You're going to come in on his match and we're going to do this
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  whole thing. Horrible take because they still
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  have not shook hands yet. And then eventually they shake
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  hands. They agree.
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  Hey man, I understand. You know, two different worlds.
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  They everything's cool. They separate now.
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  The camera follows Cowboy Dude and Raja.
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  Cowboy dude is like, hey man, when you get in there, I want
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  you to beat the shit. I want you to hit him.
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  I want you to get your receipt buddy.
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  I want you to go in there and hit him as hard as you can and
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  I'll come in there and pull you off of him.
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  Spoiler alert, that never happens.
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  That did not happen. So this dude is telling his
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  student or his training buddy at an MMA school to go in there and
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  physically hit one of his brothers.
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  Horrible. Yeah.
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  I, I There's no condoning that whatsoever.
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  Right. No, no, not at all.
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  And, and now I know I, I, I guess the latest on this is AJ
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  Mana has now gone on a podcast and said he has the full footage
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  and he's going to counter sue people and, and.
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  You can have the full footage you're on audio saying go in the
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  ring and harm him right now. There was a little bit of
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  translation words there where he kept saying I want to get my get
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  back and he keeps saying to give him a receipt.
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  Now, in those two worlds, they're two different meanings.
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  Getting your receipt. And getting your get back are
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  two wildly different things in the streets and pro wrestling.
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  So there's a lot of terminology here that does get lost in
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  translation. Now, the whole time this is
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  happening, the show I guess goes on.
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  They're sitting ringside and the kick chat, which is a different
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  platform than YouTube where you can say and do whatever you want
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  on that platform. Have fun, right?
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  Freedom of speech. So this chat is trolling Raja
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  and firing him up and saying he's a punk and saying he's a
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  bitch and saying that he, he's a he, he, he let that man hit him
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  with a can and da da da. So he's reading the chat while
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  the show's going on, and he's getting fired up even more.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  Which doesn't help because then he starts saying to the chat,
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  they've agreed that I can go in the ring and do things.
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  I don't care. I'm going to hurt this man.
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  I don't care what the agreement is.
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  I'm going to beat him till he's till he's hurt.
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  That's that's admitted homicide a minute attempted murder,
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  admitted assault, whatever it may be.
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  That's proof, right? Like I mean, case closed in my
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  opinion right there and. Then oh, obviously and and that
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  what that is not is a receipt. A receipt is OK You caught me,
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  you know you did you and receipt is like just trying to get
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  somebody back in line and said OK, I you, I owe you 1 and I'm
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  going to get my 1, not you. Try to work an angle with me
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  that you, you and and and and and the culpability for
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  psychosis. But yeah, you probably shouldn't
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  have done that without. Yeah, I, I think, I think there
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  is a, a, a section of blame to go for Stu for doing what he
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  did. Right.
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  But then. Blame goes out the window when
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  he apologized and both men agreed to the apology and said
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  I'm sorry now St. Code says well he didn't get his
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  back later. No, that's pussy code.
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  I don't care what street you're from.
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  If I look at you in the eyes, I accept your handshake, I say
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  we're good and then I sneak attack you later.
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  I'm a pussy. I'm a bitch.
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  I'm a bitch for that. That's St. code for me.
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  I like, you know what I mean? That's how I look at it.
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  If I take you your your word, your word as a man and say
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  apology accepted, and then I have an opportunity to take
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  advantage of you. That's your I don't I don't
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  respect that whatsoever. Yeah, absolutely.
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  And then obviously he goes into the ring, he shoots a single,
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  picks him up, snaps him down, doesn't do anything pro
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  wrestling related because why should he?
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  He's not a pro. He's not a pro wrestler at all.
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  And, and and knocks him out on impact on the takedown.
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  He's out cold. Yeah.
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  He there's not, there's no hands up, there's no defense, there's
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  no nothing. And then Raja goes in to lay 22
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  unanswered punches before this other gentleman finally is the
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  only one who can pull him off him 'cause like they said, this
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  looks like a student show. The referee looks like he's he's
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  he's not capable of pulling an. This is a big John McCarthy
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  referee this. Is a nerve.
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  Dean, the guy with the face paint has no option to go in.
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  You know who I felt really horrible for in the camera shot?
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  You notice the commentators, they literally stood up and
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  they're like their hands on their head 'cause they know they
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  can't do nothing. Yeah, yeah.
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  What? What can you and they're just
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  watching a man get beaten to death in the ring.
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  I mean, there's no way around that.
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  Like I don't care if you're a pro wrestling fan, an MMA fan,
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  you know when a punch looks real and when it doesn't and have
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  what it sounds like and what like it It's it's I feel
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  horrible for the children in that arena that night.
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  I feel horrible. Like there's a camera shot of a
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  father filming it and his kids next to him and the kids like
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  look at all the blood, dad, look at all the blood.
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  Like horrible. Like you don't want that at all.
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  Like that's disgusting. And he's lucky that
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  unfortunately there wasn't a bunch more wrestlers like the
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  guy who broke it up and separated it, because most other
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  locker rooms, if you would have tried to pull that shit.
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  I'm not saying much about PPW. I'm not saying we got some hard
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  heads or some some psychopaths, But I guarantee if someone
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  rolled into the ring and did that to somebody, there's going
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  to be two ambulances needed that night because you're probably
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  not leaving the same way you walked in.
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  Yeah, at that point the and there have been other instances
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  not as not as severe, obviously not anybody with the level of
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  training that Roger Jackson has, the level of genetics being the
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  son of a of an all time great fighter.
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  But there have been instances where like the fans get unruly
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  or somebody jumps in the ring. It's usually handled very
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  quickly and very efficiently, even on an indie level.
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  But yeah, obviously this one's a little bit different and
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  everybody's just like standing back and going, what the hell?
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  Except for, you know, the one guy and his name is a skating.
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  I feel bad. Yeah, I don't remember his name,
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  but he's a, he's a hero. And it the, the interview he did
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  was right on the money. Like like I couldn't imagine.
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  Like I, I fear every time I go to a wrestle.
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  I don't, I don't mean it's not like it's a constant fear, but I
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  generally get a little bit of anxiety every wrestling show.
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  Like I hope everyone leaves the same way everyone showed up
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  today. Like you don't want anyone to
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  get hurt. And then on top, like now you
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  have a situation where a fan or an outsider goes in there and
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  hurts one of your brothers or one of your sisters in the ring
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  and, and, and sends them to the hospital.
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  They're they're they're missing teeth.
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  They're choking on their own blood.
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  Supposedly they had to. They had to do CPR on him to
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  clear his throat. In the ring, I bet.
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  Yeah, I bet. And and and the greatest part is
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  good thing we got the pin cover right.
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  I'm glad you covered him. Unbelievable.
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  Wild like. We had a mishap and I'm not,
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  again, I'm not, this isn't to pump up PPW or me or anything
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  like that. We had a mishap where somebody
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  took a, took a knock to, took a shot to the nose or to the cheek
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  or wherever. And, and, and I'm, I'm sitting
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  backstage, I'm a gorilla and I'm looking in like I see blood and
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  I'm like, we got to stop this thing.
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  And I, I'm literally about to get up and run out.
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  And then I realize, OK, they're going right to the finish
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  anyway. And, you know, the end's the end
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  and everybody was OK, thankfully.
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  But yeah, you're right. Like that.
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  My biggest concern anytime I'm doing a wrestling show is I hope
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  nobody gets hurt like that. That's it.
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  And, and unfortunately it does happen, like it's happened to
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  Joey Martinez just came back from a, a, a ruptured Achilles.
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  We had a guy have a concussion at our last show.
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  We we've had a broken jaws even in training like Adrian Soriano
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  with PPW, he was our champion and tore his ACL.
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  Training, training, I think, I don't know if it was training
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  like wrestling training or like just weight training or
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  something. But yeah, this is like the worst
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  nightmare. It's like the the, the mission
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  of any wrestling show should be everybody goes home in the same
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  physical condition they came in at.
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  If maybe they're a little sore, maybe they're a little tired,
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  maybe they're a little blown up. But you, you never want anybody
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  to get injured. And especially from something
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  that was so preventable, that was so insane.
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  Just like bad attempted murder, literal attempted murder.
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  Yeah, and here's and here's. Here's where the wrestling
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  world, it's it's crazy and I'm not condoning anything, but this
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  is the wrestling world. There's people who think this is
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  a work. There's people who think this is
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  not. Real Baby Doll Baby Doll has has
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  a track record of thinking of it if you're from a certain
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  generation where it was a little more carny and a little the,
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  the, the old guard now and, and we're at a point now in 2025
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  where the old guard was really. People who were around in the in
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  the 70s and the 80s, they tend to think almost everything was a
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  work because back then everything was the work because
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  it was so insular and it was so isolated from everything and it
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  wasn't as open as it is now. Like there was nothing even
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  remotely close to. Even though it wasn't a full
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  expose, there was nothing even remotely close to like that WWE
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  unreal show. That would have been heresy.
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  Yeah, they would have sent somebody after you for a show
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  like that. Like.
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  But so they're like, well. I know a lot of those old
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  school. People are a lot of those old
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  school people are the ones tend to think everything's the work.
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  Yeah, I mean, there's fans too. There's there's fans who are
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  like, they're questioning it like, well, this is weird
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  because just like he said, why do we watch a man go into a
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  ring, shoot a double, land 22 punches, hospitalize a man and
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  there's no police report, there's no arrest, there's no
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  nothing. As of right now, there's an
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  investigation and I would say give that time, I would say.
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  Give that time if that if this is any other.
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  World BP Yeah, if it's a baseball game, they're the guys
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  carried out in handcuffs. Exactly that's what I'm saying
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  this. Or if you want to say wrestling
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  is theater, if you if you go to Swan Lake and somebody comes up
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  and and Suplex is one of the dancers and starts wailing on
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  them, yeah, obviously they're going to carry that person out
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  in cuffs. Yeah, it's an interesting.
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  It's an interesting dynamic when it comes to that.
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  Now the other thing I want to pose and I said this in the live
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  and people laughed at me and people said you're insane.
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  This is not that would never go down like this.
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  I can't even believe you suggest.
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  It. And I said three days ago, BP on
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  a TikTok live, I said there's a part of me that genuinely fears
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  this will get buried and nothing will happen.
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  It's because the wrestling business is very known for
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  protecting the wrestling business.
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  If this goes to court or legal system, it is not controlled in
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  house and there's nothing more than pro wrestling wants to do
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  is control everything in house. If there's crimes that commit,
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  and we've seen it in professional wrestling, there's
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  crimes that are committed. Sometimes in this business that
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  gets swept under the rug. You don't go to the police, you
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  don't go talk to anybody, you don't get a lawyer.
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  That goes under the rug and no one talks about it.
• 19:51
  So you can protect the business. And then usually what happens
• 19:55
  there is bad People continue to thrive because people don't
• 19:59
  speak up. Well, in this case, I don't know
• 20:03
  if that's happened just because there is an active investigation
• 20:07
  and certain people are speaking up and yeah, and, and, and, and
• 20:12
  the promotion did try to circle the wagons to try to say and,
• 20:17
  and that that is like a that is a, that is a leftover vestigial
• 20:22
  thing from wrestling being such a closed society and being that
• 20:26
  that type of thing. But yeah, it's it's an, it's an
• 20:30
  interesting. Guy said in the chat.
• 20:32
  My dude, have you been living under a rock?
• 20:33
  The wrestling business gets exposed by the wrestling
• 20:35
  business like every day. We just said WWE Unreal is very
• 20:39
  Back in the day, that was tabloid.
• 20:40
  You couldn't do that, Yeah. But let's also not pretend that
• 20:43
  WWE Unreal isn't. Oh yeah, there's WWE.
• 20:46
  Unreal is about as real as in certain aspects as Total Divas,
• 20:50
  where it's still, it's controlled.
• 20:51
  It's. Controlled there, there was a a
• 20:53
  Canadian reality show called World of Hurt and the first
• 20:57
  season Lance Storm did and there was a bunch of his students and
• 21:00
  basically they did like a training camp and it was just
• 21:03
  telling the story of everybody. It it's probably famous now.
• 21:06
  Taya Valkyrie was on it to Neil Dashwood was on it if you.
• 21:09
  There's a good one on Hulu that was at Evolve as well.
• 21:11
  Yeah, but this one was this one. I remember hearing an interview
• 21:15
  Lance Storm did talking about how contrived it was and how
• 21:20
  like what was on the show, what was presented to the public was
• 21:23
  nothing like what really happened to the point, to the
• 21:26
  point where every episode there was a 10 episode series and
• 21:29
  every episode was focused on one of the people on the show.
• 21:32
  And in one of the interviews, it would end with Lance from doing
• 21:35
  like a sit down and like going over them, assessing them,
• 21:37
  telling them what their strengths are, what their
• 21:38
  weaknesses are. And in one of those sit downs
• 21:41
  with the the the people he was working with, he said, you know
• 21:44
  why you haven't made it in wrestling yet.
• 21:47
  And they took that one time he said it and they put it in every
• 21:51
  single one of those 10 and and Lance.
• 21:54
  Had the isn't that grapple might be able?
• 21:57
  Isn't that the one that Chasing Rance was on?
• 21:59
  No, no, this was I thought. I thought he showed up on a show
• 22:02
  and they did like, well This is why you're not a good wrestler
• 22:04
  and they like he he was. On like that, that's that's
• 22:06
  every reality show about wrestling, unless it was season
• 22:09
  2. Season 2 I had Roddy Piper, but
• 22:11
  this was a Canadian tough enough.
• 22:12
  Tough enough days. Oh boy, this was this was a
• 22:15
  Canadian show and no, it was this.
• 22:17
  This one was the only people of note that like their main became
• 22:22
  like mainstream names. Tom Laruffa, who was in NXT for
• 22:26
  a little bit of Sylvester Lafort, Tennille Dashwood was on
• 22:29
  it, and Taya Valkyrie was on it. Yeah, Now what do you think?
• 22:34
  And you guys can answer this in the chat as well.
• 22:37
  What do you, what do you think? I can even pose this to you as
• 22:41
  someone who helps run and produce wrestling shows.
• 22:43
  And I'm I'm backstage in shows. Where do you think from your
• 22:47
  mind state seeing this and and learning from a mistake of this?
• 22:50
  Where do you as a promoter or as a as a Booker look to maybe
• 22:56
  adjust in the future going forward for your own promotion
• 22:58
  and what do you think comes of this after all this is all said
• 23:01
  and done? Well, I think it's common sense
• 23:06
  that if you wouldn't try to turn this into an angle like and you
• 23:12
  would think, well, no, but yeah, no, then that's like that is a
• 23:17
  that is like an old again. That's like a vestigial carny
• 23:20
  thing of well, oh, we can make money out of this.
• 23:22
  Like like even now, I'm sure their promoters are like, you
• 23:24
  know what, when he gets all when he gets all healed up, there's
• 23:28
  money in a match between these. Oh, I guarantee people are
• 23:31
  already talking about. No, there's dozens.
• 23:33
  Dozens of people are thinking about that.
• 23:35
  Dozens and which is? Kind of gross, but it no, no,
• 23:41
  no. Yeah, it's completely gross.
• 23:43
  Like if nothing else. First of all, Russia Jackson
• 23:45
  should be in jail. Second of all.
• 23:49
  Second of all, he should never be welcome at any wrestling show
• 23:53
  ever again and neither should AJ Mana in my opinion.
• 23:56
  No, I think AJ is just at fault of all this.
• 23:59
  As as as as Roger now. Do you think now Quinton,
• 24:05
  Rampage Jackson has done a stint in professional wrestling?
• 24:09
  He's not. He's he's aware of the business.
• 24:13
  At what point in time now, because this is hard for
• 24:16
  wrestling fans to wrap their head around, but there's
• 24:18
  wrestling fans and then there's non wrestling fans.
• 24:20
  And I think for the most part, I would hope that most of the
• 24:24
  world knows that professional wrestling is, is theater, is
• 24:28
  scripted, is is predetermined, is, is not real fighting.
• 24:32
  People are not out there trying to really hurt each other.
• 24:34
  Now, there's sometimes when they work a little stiff, but at the
• 24:36
  end of the day, they're still not trying to hurt one another.
• 24:39
  Do you think there's any excuse or any court of law where Roger
• 24:42
  could be like, well, I didn't know.
• 24:43
  I was told I can go in there and do this.
• 24:45
  So I I. That video with AJ Mana, maybe
• 24:49
  his escape card because like, oh, like I, I was told to go in
• 24:54
  and I was told by somebody who was part of the show that I
• 24:57
  should go in there and do this. Maybe I'm sure he can afford a
• 25:01
  very good lawyer that's going to help this case.
• 25:03
  If if it does come to that, it it's a very murky situation.
• 25:06
  And that's one of the that's the insane thing about wrestling.
• 25:09
  Like it because people try to put wrestling in a box.
• 25:12
  Oh, it's, it's theater. Oh, it's, it's sports, it's
• 25:14
  sports entertainment. It's it's like this, it's like
• 25:17
  that. It's it's its own thing, it's
• 25:18
  its own ecosystem, it's its own world.
• 25:21
  And that is, yeah, that that that that interaction of being
• 25:28
  directed. The only thing I think that can
• 25:29
  counter that is him saying on camera I they told me I can do
• 25:34
  this, but I don't care. I'm going off script.
• 25:36
  I'm going to hurt him for real. Like that's the only thing I can
• 25:39
  see that can be that can cook him in this situation.
• 25:42
  It, it it's. Yeah.
• 25:44
  Who knows? Like, none of us are legal
• 25:45
  experts. None of us.
• 25:46
  Are, but here's my other take on this.
• 25:48
  You're a trained fighter. I mean, at the end of the day,
• 25:51
  if anyone's fighting anybody, you know that one someone's
• 25:55
  knocked out and you punch them that many continuous times in
• 25:58
  the head and face. Like there's got to be a cut off
• 26:02
  point. Like I'm not even a fighter, but
• 26:04
  I know if I go out in the street and I get in a fight with
• 26:06
  somebody and I knock them down and I kick them in the face
• 26:10
  while they're down, legally I'm in trouble.
• 26:14
  That fight is over. He is on the ground.
• 26:17
  He's not defending himself. If I run over and soccer punt,
• 26:19
  kick him in the face, that's attempted murder.
• 26:22
  He's that like, you know what I mean?
• 26:24
  He's out of the equation. And then you went and took
• 26:26
  another blow. I mean, that that happened in
• 26:28
  our area not too long ago. Like, I just, I don't see a
• 26:31
  world where someone looks at this and goes, yeah, he got hit
• 26:35
  with a beer can and I think the 22 punches were justified.
• 26:38
  That's wild to me. Right there.
• 26:41
  And that's like, that's because you can't argue self-defense.
• 26:44
  Obviously there's a line between self-defense and vengeance where
• 26:48
  you're not defending yourself at that point.
• 26:50
  Now you're clearly not. And it's it's one of those
• 26:55
  tricky situations where there are a lot of variables and there
• 26:59
  are there are so many different parts that that get into it.
• 27:02
  But I mean it, it's unfortunately, and I'm not
• 27:06
  trying to, you know, make a blanket statement about people
• 27:09
  who are in combat sports by any means.
• 27:10
  But like there's this isn't the first incident.
• 27:13
  Like McGregor has had a lot of not nothing to this level, but
• 27:16
  the closest thing I can think of this was War machine, Jon
• 27:20
  Kuppenhaver and, and who almost killed his girlfriend, like
• 27:25
  legitimately almost killed his girlfriend.
• 27:27
  And you know, a lot of and, and not, I'm not going to say a lot
• 27:30
  again, I don't want to, you know, unfairly throw, throw
• 27:37
  negative light on people who are into MMA or boxing or anything
• 27:40
  like that. But some of them have short
• 27:42
  fuses and it's I, I would be very leery.
• 27:47
  You were asking like, how would this inform, like what you do is
• 27:50
  like running a, like a thing. And again, I, I would be very
• 27:53
  leery to do an angle unless it was somebody who was very with
• 27:56
  it and very, you know, very into like understanding what
• 28:00
  professional wrestling is. I think it's always tough when
• 28:03
  you do like the, the MMA fighter angle or the boxer angle or
• 28:07
  things like that. You have to know if this person
• 28:10
  is able to do business. And, and, and my understanding
• 28:13
  is Russia Jackson wasn't there to do business.
• 28:15
  It's a it's a thing where he was just coming as somebody's guest.
• 28:20
  Somebody's like, oh, working angle.
• 28:21
  That guy looks like a worker. Let's work an angle and then he
• 28:24
  gets blown grossly out of proportion.
• 28:26
  But at some point, you know, at some point somebody somewhere
• 28:32
  needs to step in. And unfortunately one person
• 28:33
  that stepped in seems like they threw gas on the fire, which is
• 28:37
  not a a great look. Yeah, and, and, and honestly,
• 28:41
  like you talk about the MMA world.
• 28:43
  I'm an MMA fan. You're an MMA fan.
• 28:45
  For the longest time I was a Connor dude, man.
• 28:47
  I was like, man, this guy's super entertaining.
• 28:48
  This is fun. This is until, honestly, for me,
• 28:52
  the the, the, the, the, the, the, the Dolly through the
• 28:55
  window and then the brawl in the stadium after the paper.
• 28:59
  Like I remember watching that as an MMA fan.
• 29:01
  And I was like, I'm done, I'm out.
• 29:04
  I'll go to pro wrestling and and then it was like, why?
• 29:07
  Like that's like I'm like because like I like mixed
• 29:10
  martial arts because it it wasn't the dude Bros who were
• 29:13
  out there beating each other's heads in who look like had no
• 29:16
  self-control or self-discipline. The the best part about Emma
• 29:19
  Mantha for for a while was like they've had self-discipline.
• 29:24
  Mixed martial arts was not about just being a combat sport.
• 29:26
  It was also about self-control and saying this is done in a
• 29:29
  cage in a conducted way and like the what MMA did to go through
• 29:34
  hoops to get legalized in certain States and then to prove
• 29:36
  that they're not just Neanderthals out there killing
• 29:40
  each other that. They're human cock fighting, as
• 29:42
  John McCain called a human. Yeah, and it's and it like it
• 29:45
  took a huge step back and like for how good Connor was for MMA,
• 29:49
  he was also a downfall because then it became like, well, now
• 29:52
  I'm going to bring the streets into MMA and it just it, it made
• 29:55
  it gross for me. And then it just continued on to
• 29:58
  stuff like this where like a guy just enters a a world and he's
• 30:01
  like, well, I'm an MMA fighter, so I'm just going to use that on
• 30:04
  the streets and use it in a pro wrestling ring.
• 30:06
  It's like, no, go away. Like you shouldn't even be in
• 30:10
  your own industry, let alone ours.
• 30:12
  That's. Crazy, right?
• 30:14
  Well, I think, I think he's probably done a lot of damage
• 30:17
  too. But then again, all it takes is
• 30:18
  1 promoter, not so much anymore, because a lot of Times Now more
• 30:24
  so than before and it's not perfect.
• 30:26
  Now, but I've seen worse get accepted back in the wrestling.
• 30:29
  But like Joey Ryan's tried a few times and it hasn't happened.
• 30:33
  The one I'm really thinking of is there was a convention in
• 30:35
  Jersey, and this was probably 15 years ago, maybe more, but there
• 30:39
  was a convention in Jersey and they said they were bringing in
• 30:42
  Invader 1. They, they said they're bringing
• 30:45
  in the guy that killed Brody. And there was such a backlash
• 30:49
  that they, they finally, like, backed out of it and said, no,
• 30:54
  we're not going to do that. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:56
  Like pro wrestling has a body under its belt in a locker room
• 30:59
  that no one got in trouble for. Like.
• 31:01
  Right. And, and a lot of that was a lot
• 31:03
  of what they're trying to do here is like that Kay Fabe
• 31:05
  circle the wagons and yeah. I'm, I'm going to be honest, I
• 31:11
  I've been so burnt out on everyone's statements.
• 31:13
  I don't know who made them or not.
• 31:14
  I just know that when the people make really bad ones, I
• 31:17
  honestly, I, I think Quinton's statement was pretty decent.
• 31:21
  Like hey listen man, I hope this team really pulls through like
• 31:23
  my son is in the wrong for this like.
• 31:27
  He he obviously, he's not going to go as scorched earth as
• 31:32
  somebody who has no relation to Roger Jacksonville.
• 31:34
  It's his son. Even if you're and it's, you
• 31:37
  know, so he's going to try to try to find not an excuse, but a
• 31:44
  a kind of explanation for his actions, but.
• 31:49
  We're trying, man. We're we're trying Rod Pham.
• 31:51
  We'll we'll get there eventually.
• 31:52
  Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for the view.
• 31:56
  But yeah. We're talking about a news
• 31:58
  story, Sir. This is big news.
• 31:59
  This is breaking big news. It's not breaking.
• 32:02
  It happened over the weekend. It's.
• 32:04
  A lot broke people's faces, teeth.
• 32:06
  It's a horrible, horrible thing. All right, well, let's get into
• 32:08
  more controversy and professional wrestling.
• 32:12
  I don't know much about this. I know, I know you guys.
• 32:14
  You guys are talking about in the chat what's going on with
• 32:16
  the union and AW, people are mad.
• 32:20
  It's more of a publicity stunt than anything it seems.
• 32:23
  Philly. People.
• 32:24
  Philly's the union town. Philly's Philly's the union
• 32:27
  town. So that it, it, it tends to
• 32:30
  happen in things like this where I guess the stage hands union,
• 32:35
  it's called Local 8. They, they do like stage crew
• 32:38
  stuff in, in Philadelphia. They had a picket line out in
• 32:41
  front of Dynamite on last night. Because I guess they're alleging
• 32:46
  that the stage crew at the 2300 arena, they're concerned that
• 32:50
  they're not making now. The 2300 arena is a non union
• 32:54
  shop. Obviously every wrestling
• 32:56
  organization in the world is a non union shop.
• 33:00
  Because of that, no good Hulk Hogan.
• 33:02
  Yeah. I tried to unionize and sold me
• 33:05
  out. So I guess.
• 33:10
  Punched me out. Yes, there you go.
• 33:12
  You got to use the lingo. So I guess they're they're
• 33:16
  pointing out that they're they're concerned that the
• 33:19
  people who are part of the stage crew for this residency, because
• 33:22
  it's not just a one, one time show here in at the I'm I'm
• 33:27
  still going to call it these W arena.
• 33:28
  I apologize. The 2300 arena or just the
• 33:31
  arena? The arena, the.
• 33:32
  Arena. Well, it was literally no Viking
• 33:35
  Hall. Well.
• 33:37
  And the arena, Viking Hall, I'm not going to call it New
• 33:41
  Alhambra, I think it was literally just called the arena
• 33:43
  for a minute. The the building where ECW used
• 33:47
  to run their shows in Philadelphia, they they're doing
• 33:52
  AA, WS doing a residency there. They're doing I believe, three
• 33:56
  weeks worth of TV. They're doing I think 3
• 33:58
  dynamites, 3 collisions. I love that they're going to
• 34:01
  smaller places. I think it's sick.
• 34:03
  Yeah, and, and, and even though it's way nicer now than it ever
• 34:08
  was, that place just really does especially for me, like
• 34:11
  especially like being in a situation where I was literally
• 34:14
  like that was my local wrestling company, ECW Ranch shows
• 34:19
  directly, like directly across the football field for my
• 34:23
  middle, my middle school. So that that's my connection to
• 34:27
  ECW and they they're running there.
• 34:32
  But it's it's this long term thing and it's very cool.
• 34:35
  And and it's special because that building just has a special
• 34:37
  energy to it. It's one of those places.
• 34:39
  Now when? When they do shows there, I
• 34:43
  mean, I'm gonna be honest, I don't.
• 34:45
  I never really watched with MLW or any other promotions run
• 34:48
  there. They don't use the bleachers for
• 34:49
  those shows. Was that something they just
• 34:50
  brought back? I believe so.
• 34:52
  I knowing knowing how Tony Khan's sensibilities are, I
• 34:56
  think they did the bleachers because that's what ECW looked
• 34:59
  like. It looked awesome.
• 35:00
  Yeah, that that's what ECW looked like.
• 35:02
  The hard Cam was opposite bleachers and and it like I
• 35:06
  didn't I I'm I'm unfortunately get a chance to watch all of
• 35:08
  dynamite last night. But it did have and obviously
• 35:12
  enhanced by infinite percentages presentation.
• 35:18
  But the, the bleachers, like the, the, the hard Cam just
• 35:22
  being a sea of people. If you watch old ECW shows from
• 35:26
  the arena, that's what it looked like.
• 35:28
  That's what it looked like. It it was not not as nice.
• 35:33
  It was like you. You didn't see that place
• 35:35
  before. They they they cleaned it up a
• 35:37
  little bit. No, I've only been there when
• 35:39
  it's been. Cleaned up.
• 35:40
  So it it it's a much like my mind was blown with how much
• 35:44
  nicer it is now, but it's, it's it it's still kind of has that
• 35:47
  same feeling to it. And, and, and, and I think that
• 35:51
  the bleachers was a if I had to guess, it's a stylistic choice
• 35:54
  by Tony Khan to to give the, the whole thing a feeling more like
• 36:00
  the old ECW shows that he grew up on like the he was like, I
• 36:05
  think for his senior trip, his obviously Tony Khan comes from a
• 36:09
  wealthy family. That's no, that's no secret.
• 36:12
  I think instead of going to like Cabo San Lucas or Daytona beer,
• 36:16
  wherever, like you would go for for spring break, I think he
• 36:21
  went to ECWS Cyber Slam. And so, yeah, it's a big deal
• 36:26
  for him. But yeah.
• 36:26
  So anyway, back to the the reason we're talking about this,
• 36:29
  the the union I think is just protesting that they're saying
• 36:33
  there is a standard for wages for stage hands in Philadelphia.
• 36:37
  And I think they said something like $40.00 an hour plus
• 36:40
  benefits. Like I want to be a stage hand
• 36:42
  in Philadelphia. That sounds great.
• 36:43
  Could. You imagine if that was
• 36:46
  everybody would do a ring crew. Yeah.
• 36:49
  Yeah, you wouldn't have a problem getting anyone in the
• 36:53
  ring, bro. Yeah, we wouldn't have two
• 36:54
  people having to set up and tear down the ring by themselves
• 36:56
  anymore. Yeah, it's good stuff.
• 37:02
  No horrible stuff, but but. Yeah, harder.
• 37:06
  You get up on the card, brother. You don't have to set up rings
• 37:09
  anymore. People who are doing they're
• 37:12
  they're pretty well off on the card.
• 37:14
  Like literally one of the people helping toward the end was our
• 37:16
  champion. Yes, yeah, better be.
• 37:21
  Any other AW stuff? Taz will be inducted in the Hall
• 37:24
  of Fame next week, Not the AW Hall of Fame.
• 37:26
  He'll be inducted in the 2300 Hall of Fame.
• 37:28
  They have their own banners on the wall that they inducted a
• 37:31
  bunch of people. I believe in the 11 time I was
• 37:33
  there for a con they inducted like the class of ECW and and
• 37:38
  did like a group. Thing for everybody, I believe
• 37:40
  it started started with Rocco Rock.
• 37:42
  After Rocco Rock passed, I believe that was the first time
• 37:45
  they put a banner up and they think they've done Todd Gordon
• 37:48
  and I want to say Justice Payne usually like they've used it a
• 37:52
  lot to honor people who have passed.
• 37:54
  I I believe Justice Payne they did, and there may have been a
• 37:57
  few others. Yeah, Dynamite.
• 38:01
  I mean, I I didn't watch Raw this week, unfortunately.
• 38:03
  I apologize everybody. I don't think BP did either, He
• 38:06
  said he didn't watch a lot of wrestling.
• 38:07
  I forgot, I forgot. Raw was in the afternoon and I I
• 38:10
  hate watching things off the tape delay I I forgot raw was on
• 38:14
  the middle of the afternoon and I have a job so I was working
• 38:17
  when raw was on For the most part we.
• 38:20
  Were too busy getting vagina. I was too busy getting paid.
• 38:23
  I was getting my $4.00 an hour for doing stagehand work.
• 38:26
  Yeah, yeah. I wish.
• 38:29
  Oh, I. Would've loved it.
• 38:29
  I thought Dynamite was fun. There was some aspects to it
• 38:32
  that I'll just kind of go over that I, I just for me on AW,
• 38:35
  just not, I'm not everything's negative, right?
• 38:37
  I think for the most part, positive wise, we're we're into
• 38:40
  professional wrestling. We love professional wrestling.
• 38:43
  The, the, the, the Don callous thing too much.
• 38:46
  Like if you're a manager and you have 400 people in the stable,
• 38:48
  and this goes for any promotion, any level of wrestling, you
• 38:51
  shouldn't be out there more than twice a show and then be on
• 38:54
  commentary. Three of them.
• 38:55
  And, and it just, I don't know, as someone who like really works
• 38:58
  hard to get a spot on a show, whether it's commentary or
• 39:01
  whatever it may be, to keep losing your seat 'cause you have
• 39:04
  to keep coming out three times a show to take it like that sucks.
• 39:07
  Like fucking fuck off, you know what I mean?
• 39:09
  Like be manager and sit ringside with your team or fucking sit in
• 39:12
  commentary one match or pick and choose which guy you come out
• 39:15
  with. You know what I mean?
• 39:16
  Like, it's just too much too. And I I like Don Callas.
• 39:18
  I think he's very entertaining. He is.
• 39:21
  Too much Don. Callas yeah, and and it's a
• 39:24
  larger with AW where like you need you.
• 39:27
  I I think what I said was you need an Excel spreadsheet to
• 39:29
  keep track of who is. How is how does his stable not
• 39:32
  have every title? How the Death Riders took over
• 39:34
  the company with four people, he has nine.
• 39:37
  How? How is Don Kow's family just not
• 39:40
  running through the whole company?
• 39:42
  They need a logistics person. I wonder who the logistics
• 39:44
  person was in the death. It had to be like Marina Shafir
• 39:47
  or somebody. She's like the.
• 39:48
  She's like the new Alexandra York.
• 39:49
  She's like, probably. Here's how we're going to take
• 39:51
  over this. Here's how we're going to take
• 39:52
  over this. Yeah.
• 39:52
  It's crazy. Yeah, it's tough, especially
• 39:56
  when you have so many factions and so many groups that it's
• 40:00
  like, OK, well, this guy's in the OPS and this guy's in the
• 40:02
  conglomeration and this guy's in the Don Kalis side was like, OK,
• 40:06
  well, what, what makes them any different from this group is,
• 40:08
  oh, well, they're, they're mean and they, they like I, I get it.
• 40:14
  But you, it's, it's one of those things where it's less is more.
• 40:17
  The one thing that pro wrestling should never be, in my opinion,
• 40:20
  is subtle. Pro wrestling is not really a
• 40:24
  good place for nuance. It is a very, very, very beat
• 40:28
  them over the head with a sledgehammer type thing.
• 40:30
  Now you can go too far with that like WWE does.
• 40:35
  And I get what WWE is trying to do.
• 40:37
  I get what WWE is trying to do. Where it is you can.
• 40:42
  You can not watch for six weeks and come in and feel like you
• 40:44
  didn't really miss a lot because you didn't because that's how
• 40:47
  slow their booking is, where if you miss one episode of
• 40:51
  Dynamite, you're like, who is this person?
• 40:52
  Where did he come from? When did Ace Austin get here?
• 40:55
  Like there's just in WWE, it's like there's no.
• 40:58
  Happening, I also said, I also said during the pay-per-view
• 41:01
  too, and we'll cover this later is like WW ES booking is like me
• 41:05
  versus you. I win, you lose, we move on, we
• 41:08
  get to the next person and a new fight happens.
• 41:10
  AW can literally be like me versus you, but the actual
• 41:14
  storyline is a character change in me and that and that's what
• 41:18
  they're going to go for for the next storyline.
• 41:21
  Like oh, used to be a bad guy and do horrible things.
• 41:24
  Now this character is going to pull a different layer of your
• 41:26
  character out and you almost get like a reboot of who you are as
• 41:29
  a person going forward. I don't mind that.
• 41:32
  It's like very it's like very comic book story.
• 41:34
  Ridge driven like Superman finds new weakness but learns how to
• 41:38
  overcome a mental block he had in himself later on.
• 41:41
  Or like Peter Parker struggled with this, but his this villain
• 41:44
  taught Peter Parker to overcome his adverse that that wasn't
• 41:48
  even the fight itself. It was learning something about
• 41:50
  himself. And I think I think AEW leans
• 41:53
  into a lot, a lot more than they do the normal wrestling nuance
• 41:57
  storytelling. And I don't mind that I I kind
• 41:59
  of like. And that, and that's fine that
• 42:01
  everybody could like what they like, but that is why AW has
• 42:04
  trouble gaining fans. That is why a WS highest rated
• 42:10
  show ever and I don't think anything is going to change
• 42:13
  anytime soon, was their first dynamite.
• 42:17
  Because that stuff is all nice and well and good, but if it's
• 42:21
  too hard to follow, people will stop trying to follow it.
• 42:25
  And I. I feel like they don't insult my
• 42:27
  intelligence too bad. We're down to be like I'm
• 42:29
  watching Sesame Street wrestling.
• 42:31
  Right. And you are.
• 42:32
  No, you are. So they WW is the McDonald's of
• 42:35
  wrestling and to the point where one of the things that
• 42:38
  McDonald's has prided themselves on is a a standard of quality.
• 42:42
  So if you go to a McDonald's in Pennsylvania or you go to
• 42:45
  McDonald's in California or Texas or New Mexico or
• 42:49
  Wisconsin, you're going to get the same level of service.
• 42:52
  Is it going to be the best burger you've ever had?
• 42:53
  Absolutely not. But it's going to be consistent
• 42:57
  and you know what to expect from it.
• 42:58
  And that is what WWE has gotten really good at.
• 43:01
  They have they have, they have, they have standardized their
• 43:05
  their product and that that's good because there, there's
• 43:08
  going to be that level of consistency, but it's bad
• 43:11
  because they've standardized their product and it's not
• 43:16
  special. Yeah, and I'm.
• 43:18
  I'm sick of eating the same burgers.
• 43:19
  I need a different burger. Where?
• 43:22
  Where AW is like. I'll give a perfect example.
• 43:26
  What AW is. AW was like.
• 43:27
  There's a place here in the town where I live and when their
• 43:32
  wings are good, like when you order like Buffalo wings from
• 43:35
  them and they're good, they're the best wings in town by far.
• 43:39
  And then sometimes you order their wings and you order like
• 43:41
  double sauce and there's like they may have splashed a little
• 43:43
  bit of Buffalo wings sauce on them.
• 43:45
  That's AW, there's very little quality control.
• 43:48
  They're trying to do too much there.
• 43:51
  I wish there was a middle ground.
• 43:52
  I wish there was a middle ground between WWE, which is just so
• 43:56
  repetitive and so just. But but at least not having the
• 44:01
  middle ground, like I'm aware of that.
• 44:03
  Like I know what you're what you're saying, but AW is
• 44:05
  completely correct. Like where there sometimes it's
• 44:07
  high, sometimes it's low, but I feel like they're they're
• 44:10
  starting to level it out a little better now.
• 44:13
  But at least to me, the idea of maybe this shows a stinker and
• 44:17
  this one's good. At least I don't know what's
• 44:20
  happening. Like I see a show, a match
• 44:22
  happen. I'm like, OK, let's see how it
• 44:24
  plays out. We're WB.
• 44:25
  I'm like, we're going to get this major marquee match.
• 44:27
  I'm like, I already know how that's going to end.
• 44:29
  Like I've, I've eaten that burger before, you know what I
• 44:31
  mean? Like it's, it's like I got to
• 44:33
  look at the WWB doesn't even put a card out anymore.
• 44:35
  They're just like TuneIn. And I'm like OK And then I
• 44:38
  TuneIn I'm like I wasted 3 hours of my day like.
• 44:41
  Although I watch clips talking about time shifting.
• 44:45
  I, I, I just read not that long ago that they are going to have
• 44:51
  a few episodes like late September in the early October
• 44:54
  where they're going to start at 7:00.
• 44:56
  We're all going to be on at 7:00.
• 44:58
  They're, they're just trying to, they're trying to find a sweet
• 45:01
  spot. Now, if they're on Netflix and
• 45:02
  they're not locked into a time slot, they're trying to find a
• 45:04
  sweet spot where Monday Night Football maybe isn't as big of
• 45:08
  an effect on them. Yeah, no.
• 45:10
  And I, I think that's a smart move.
• 45:12
  All right, WB East side, we'll kind of blow through some of
• 45:13
  these because we are running a little long.
• 45:15
  We went we went a little longer on the wall, which we expected.
• 45:18
  KO surgery went well. Neck surgery went great.
• 45:21
  He got fusion. He's got to pretty much wait to
• 45:23
  find out what's going on. Still no indication if he's ever
• 45:26
  going to come back to wrestling or not.
• 45:27
  I think he will. I think there's been enough
• 45:29
  successful neck surgeries in wrestling in the past three
• 45:31
  years and miracle stories that we will probably see Kevin Owens
• 45:34
  again. But he lost a ton of weight.
• 45:36
  Looks great. Yeah, no, he, he looks great.
• 45:39
  If he, my hope that if he wants to come back, I hope he's able
• 45:41
  to. And the, the great thing would
• 45:45
  be if it wasn't success just because, you know, quality of
• 45:48
  life, because some of I, I, I like Drew Brees.
• 45:51
  Now they say the, the quarterback from the New Orleans
• 45:54
  Saints, when he throws the football with his kids, he has
• 45:57
  to throw left-handed because that's how much stress he put on
• 46:01
  his arm, his right arm. So I, I, I, hopefully the guy's
• 46:07
  quality of life is going to be better from this.
• 46:08
  And if he chooses to come back, that would be amazing.
• 46:10
  Kevin, Kevin. Kevin Owens, Kevin, Steve.
• 46:12
  If I lose Kevin and Adam Cole in 2025, this will go down as a
• 46:15
  work here for wrestling for me. You know what I mean?
• 46:17
  I will say that right now, Becky, I will also in the chat
• 46:21
  serve swerve had successful knee surgery so that's good.
• 46:25
  I do. There's another thing about AW
• 46:26
  that I like how they can take out four top guys and replace
• 46:30
  them with another because their roster's so deep and it gives
• 46:33
  time to guys to go home, rest, be with their families, and they
• 46:36
  can rotate stories and top talent because they have so many
• 46:38
  to. Do so that is true but they
• 46:40
  don't have a guy and I think that hurts them.
• 46:43
  They don't have as Cody Rose's now taking the calling himself a
• 46:46
  QB one like and and it's one of those things where I would say.
• 46:50
  MJF is a he's a top guy there. He's can he?
• 46:55
  It seems like NGF was getting there and then they did that
• 46:58
  babyface turn, that devil angle and I think he's.
• 47:00
  Been he's going to be championing again.
• 47:02
  Probably he will. Oh, I'm sure he will be, But I
• 47:04
  think he has been struggling to get back to where he was because
• 47:08
  the babyface turn kind of took a lot of wind out of a sail and
• 47:12
  that devil angle was horrible and then he was had to take time
• 47:14
  off for injury. But no, he's a, he's a hell of a
• 47:17
  talent. He has he has all the talent to
• 47:20
  be like that centerpiece guy. But they don't have what Cody
• 47:24
  Rhodes is now, or what Roman Reigns was before that, or what
• 47:27
  John Cena was before that, or what, you know, Steve Austin was
• 47:30
  for a while, or what Hulk Hogan was what Bruno Sammartino.
• 47:32
  Was but it's like a Cody. If a Cody and a CM Punk go down,
• 47:36
  will the W fans accept a mid Carter guy to fill in and and
• 47:40
  take over a main spot and, and be okay with it?
• 47:43
  Like I don't think they will. I think they'll be like I, I
• 47:45
  don't know, I like, I feel like if right now a mid card guy,
• 47:48
  Takashita Takashita, however you say his name Takeshita.
• 47:52
  If, if, if tomorrow they make him a world champion.
• 47:55
  I don't think anyone's upset about it.
• 47:57
  You know what I mean? Like like, but it's the same
• 48:00
  thing. Some of their mid card guys are
• 48:01
  like could be world champions, right?
• 48:05
  But. They can't be a they they could
• 48:08
  be a world. You can make anybody a world
• 48:10
  champion. They they could literally have
• 48:12
  they could have Sir Pedicabo world champion, right?
• 48:14
  No, I I understand what you're saying.
• 48:15
  No, no one depends against Sir Pedico.
• 48:17
  Sir Pedico is great. But but.
• 48:21
  But until they put some gas behind them and then we'll talk
• 48:24
  again that John Creuzzo never never.
• 48:29
  But no, like, I I think having a guy who is the face of the
• 48:34
  franchise is important because it is a I'm.
• 48:40
  Not sorry then Ashley has to be dying about that.
• 48:44
  Jeff, listen, I I I can barely speak English.
• 48:47
  You want me to say something in Spanish or Japanese?
• 48:50
  I'm fucked. You know what's the problem is
• 48:56
  is the the take Takashita like where he said take a shita like
• 49:00
  when he and that stuck in my ADHD dyslexia brain and now I
• 49:05
  can't shake it. But I, I think about that
• 49:08
  centerpiece of the company thing as as almost like the the
• 49:13
  closest thing. I think it was like a starting
• 49:14
  quarterback in football or a, or a goalie in hockey.
• 49:19
  They're they're probably the two most important positions in
• 49:21
  sports because like baseball pitcher's important, but you
• 49:24
  need like 12 of them. You need 5 starters a closer,
• 49:27
  but I think it's quarterback goalie if you have two starting
• 49:31
  quarterbacks. You don't have a quarterback If
• 49:33
  you have two set of pieces of your.
• 49:35
  Company, we've had a lot of two starting quarterbacks in my day
• 49:38
  well. You finally got 1, so
• 49:39
  congratulations. Now there's one less defensive
• 49:44
  end in the in the in the division too.
• 49:46
  So that's fun. So I think it's the same thing.
• 49:51
  Like it it you, if you have like, yeah, you run the risk of,
• 49:55
  of, of yeah. What happens if something
• 49:58
  happens to that guy? But OK, like, so would you not
• 50:02
  take a Jaden Daniels or Patrick Mahomes Because what if they get
• 50:04
  hurt? Then we're really screwed.
• 50:06
  No, you're you're going to invest in a backup.
• 50:08
  You're going to try to make sure the rest of your team is strong.
• 50:12
  But having that guy that's can really take your ball and run
• 50:17
  with it and become the face of your company and elevate you
• 50:20
  like that is is a cheat code. It's like having Patrick
• 50:24
  Mahomes. It's it's.
• 50:26
  And don't get me wrong, WWE has some of those guys too.
• 50:28
  Like at any point in time they could easily put the rocket on
• 50:31
  Drew McIntyre, Damien produced. There's like guys in their mid
• 50:33
  car they can easily. Do that well, no, they're also
• 50:35
  drowning in Star power right now.
• 50:36
  Like they a lot of their old companions in their WWE,
• 50:40
  especially AW was drowning in talent.
• 50:44
  They have a lot of talent, but I don't know how many of them are
• 50:46
  stars like Tequesta is. Tequesta is incredibly talented.
• 50:51
  Hangman. Hangman is incredibly talented.
• 50:54
  If you showed 100 people a picture of Cody Rhodes and said
• 50:57
  who is this? And a picture of Hangman page
• 50:59
  and said who is this? How many more people are going
• 51:01
  to know who Cody Rhodes is? 100% TKO is the biggest media
• 51:05
  company in the world and now they are behind TK.
• 51:08
  You're pro wrestling, you know what I mean?
• 51:09
  Like AW will never compete with that media.
• 51:13
  Like if the media is on your side, you're you're a winning.
• 51:15
  And that's the WBS going to have that for now for forever.
• 51:17
  Like even if the WWE has the craziest controversies, they'll
• 51:22
  still find a way to get out of it because they they control the
• 51:25
  narrative. And they, and they're also,
• 51:27
  they're also the brand name. They're also the brand name
• 51:29
  they're. The Coca-Cola wrestling.
• 51:31
  Yeah. All right.
• 51:33
  So Becky went to Brisbane and said some stuff about Ozzy.
• 51:37
  Now I don't think she said anything.
• 51:39
  Brisbane. They were in I.
• 51:41
  Thought it was in England. Was it in I forget where?
• 51:43
  Yeah. But he Ozzy's from Brisbane and
• 51:46
  that's the city they were in. That's why they said she goes.
• 51:49
  I would never be in Brisbane. And the best thing that ever
• 51:51
  came from the city died last month.
• 51:53
  And I would have, if I, if I didn't go to Lai, would have
• 51:55
  died. Here, I think you have that town
• 51:56
  right. Brisbane Am I saying it wrong?
• 51:59
  I I it's, it's, it's the same word.
• 52:05
  I've been listening to this book.
• 52:06
  I. Hope I like Brisbane Australia,
• 52:07
  I know. Birmingham.
• 52:09
  Sorry, I knew it was AB Birmingham.
• 52:12
  That's where they are at WS in Birmingham.
• 52:14
  They were in Aussie's hometown. Whatever.
• 52:16
  OK, that it's fine. Not Brisbane, Birmingham, yes,
• 52:19
  they were in Birmingham and that's what she said that I
• 52:21
  don't think what she said was at.
• 52:22
  All OK, All right. There we go.
• 52:23
  Yeah. Yeah, I don't think what was she
• 52:25
  said was at a line. I think that's pretty on the par
• 52:26
  for a pro wrestling heel. Like your town sucks and that's
• 52:30
  why your celebrity left here and didn't live and never lived here
• 52:33
  again because it's a big. Like I don't think she was
• 52:35
  disrespectful. To Ozzy very boilerplate it's
• 52:38
  very boilerplate pro wrestling heel like we were just talking
• 52:42
  about MJF. Imagine the things MJF would
• 52:44
  have said but I that's. An old animal killing, he would
• 52:48
  have went hard on the old on the Aussie.
• 52:50
  Stuff, right. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, I I
• 52:56
  don't have a problem with it. It's it's a pro wrestling heel
• 52:58
  thing. But Ozzy, Ozzy was so beloved,
• 53:01
  he just died and and then which is.
• 53:04
  Pro wrestling is the best time to do it.
• 53:07
  Right. But again, like the rest of the
• 53:09
  what we've established today, the one thing we've learned is
• 53:11
  pro wrestling is a little bit different than the rest of the
• 53:14
  world. It is.
• 53:17
  And now, but now WW is in this, WW is in this corporate mindset.
• 53:20
  This is part, this is one of the downsides of being the
• 53:22
  McDonald's of professional wrestling is if MJF does ever
• 53:25
  come over to WWE, he probably will at some point.
• 53:28
  You would think maybe he won't, but he would have to tone his
• 53:30
  act down a lot because what WWE is doing is they are just going
• 53:35
  to do whatever they can to not rock the boat and not make
• 53:40
  things. You know, that's why for the
• 53:42
  longest time and, and then they and they finally did it when
• 53:45
  with this whole physical fitness thing, because they're trying to
• 53:47
  grease the wheels of Congress to get this boxing act overturned.
• 53:50
  And that's the only, that's the only reason they were having
• 53:52
  the, they're putting Triple H and Trump all over their TV as
• 53:55
  they were trying to kiss the ring so they can have stuff
• 53:58
  happen. It's the same reason Skydance
• 54:01
  fired Stephen Colbert. It's the same reason, you know,
• 54:04
  you, you do a little song and dance for this administration
• 54:06
  and you get what you want. So, But other than that, they
• 54:10
  are notoriously trying to avoid any sort of public backlash.
• 54:15
  They're trying to avoid ever alienating anybody.
• 54:18
  They're trying to be safe to the NTH degree.
• 54:20
  So I think. That's kind of female talent.
• 54:22
  And then they bring back Brock Lesnar.
• 54:24
  But. Yeah, but that that's they
• 54:27
  they've never cared about exploiting their workers again.
• 54:31
  Again I tried to start a union. But it didn't work out.
• 54:37
  They, they never care about exploiting their workers.
• 54:39
  Their workers are not important to them.
• 54:41
  They're the, the thing that's important to them is money and
• 54:43
  publicity and, and public relations.
• 54:46
  So they don't want to be like, oh, look at them.
• 54:48
  They're, they're mocking Ozzy Osbourne, like like less than
• 54:52
  two months after he passed away and in his hometown.
• 54:56
  And look how upset they made his daughter.
• 54:58
  Whereas it it's similar to like the Cracker Barrel thing, like
• 55:03
  Cracker Barrel is going to cave because they're afraid of
• 55:06
  alienating their customers. It's that's, that's the downside
• 55:11
  of being a corporate entity is you kind of, you do have to
• 55:16
  answer to Joe Public at some point.
• 55:19
  Yeah, we'll kind of go through these.
• 55:21
  The next one's really quick and then we'll get to the card
• 55:23
  because we already got 55 minutes here today.
• 55:25
  DDP hospitalized. I think the most part, first
• 55:28
  thing, yeah, he's going to be OK.
• 55:30
  He's got to have a heart operation.
• 55:31
  He he was working out. He said he didn't have his Apple
• 55:35
  Watch on, he wasn't checking his heart rate.
• 55:37
  It started to go a little wonky, so he had a atrial fibrillation
• 55:41
  or an irregular heartbeat. Vince McMahon celebrated a
• 55:45
  birthday party and whole bunch of people went if, if that, if
• 55:49
  that's something that interests you or it probably doesn't.
• 55:52
  If you're, if you're a pro, if you're AWBE fan, you don't care
• 55:54
  that John Cena, Undertaker, JBL, Bruce, Pritchard, Jerry the
• 55:57
  King, Lawler, Drew McIntyre, Sheamus, Titus, O'Neil, Demiz
• 55:59
  and Maurice. I can't believe.
• 56:04
  All still under investigation for essay trafficking and who
• 56:08
  God knows what else. I can't believe Bruce.
• 56:10
  You will get pardoned on and know of course, talk about it
• 56:12
  ever again. Yeah.
• 56:13
  I can't believe Bruce Prichard was there.
• 56:15
  I'm shocked. I'm shocked.
• 56:17
  You know, you know. He probably won't hide in half
• 56:21
  the tapes. All right.
• 56:22
  Clash in Paris is going to be this weekend BP.
• 56:25
  Here's some matches that we can that were gonna happen.
• 56:28
  John Cena versus Logan Paul. Seth Rollins versus CM Punk
• 56:31
  versus Jay USA versus LA Knight, which means tells me that Jay
• 56:35
  USA was inserted in that match to take the fall.
• 56:38
  Sheamus versus Rusev Paul Roman Reigns versus Bronson Reed.
• 56:42
  Paul. Roma, yeah, and Becky Lynch
• 56:44
  versus Nikki Bella. And they said they may be adding
• 56:49
  a Randy Orton, Drew McIntyre match to that card, so we will
• 56:52
  cover that next. Week.
• 56:53
  That's way too many matches. That's way too many matches.
• 56:56
  It's six matches on a paper. Are you out of control?
• 56:59
  Yeah, that's too much. Meanwhile, and that's a WS pre
• 57:01
  show. Yeah.
• 57:02
  Yeah. Well, we'll get into that.
• 57:04
  And then NXT heat Wave, we had Oba Femi versus Javon Evans.
• 57:09
  I actually enjoyed the match. I did not think it was going to
• 57:11
  go over as well it did. I didn't realize that Javon
• 57:13
  Evans is as tall as he was, so it didn't make sense.
• 57:16
  And Oba picked him up And Spike Dudley, Tim, like Batman,
• 57:19
  Bigelow threw out of the ring through a commentary table,
• 57:23
  which I thought was a sick spot. I thought that was Oba.
• 57:25
  Fenni is a star. Yeah.
• 57:28
  He is a star. He's got so much charisma, he's
• 57:32
  got such a presence. He is a star.
• 57:34
  Yeah, who do you got for Nikki versus Becky?
• 57:38
  I think Becky retains Becky and Lester.
• 57:41
  They press a like 2% chance they press a panic button over this
• 57:44
  Kelly Osbourne thing but I doubt it.
• 57:46
  Yeah, Chelsea Green and Ethan Page took on Tyra May Steele and
• 57:51
  Tavon Heights. This this Tyra May Steele has
• 57:56
  like the craziest lower body I've ever seen on a human being.
• 57:59
  Her legs are wildly huge like she is a monster.
• 58:05
  Legit Olympic gold medalist. Yeah, first female, first female
• 58:09
  Olympic gold medalist on on there.
• 58:11
  Jada Parker versus Kellen Joyner versus Lola Vice.
• 58:13
  I thought that match was really good.
• 58:14
  I would definitely recommend that one.
• 58:16
  JC Jane versus Moshe versus Ash was a pretty decent match.
• 58:20
  Ash did walk away as your new TNA Knockouts champion, which
• 58:23
  makes me think. Go ahead.
• 58:26
  Go ahead. No, go ahead.
• 58:27
  I think, which makes me think that probably Masha didn't get
• 58:30
  the title because if she's not getting the title back she's
• 58:33
  probably going to move or jump ship to WB.
• 58:37
  Maybe, possibly that's my that's my theory.
• 58:40
  One of the cool things, one of the cool things with that is.
• 58:44
  People were. I'm not reading it, but that's
• 58:48
  funny. Go ahead.
• 58:50
  One of the cool things is people were sharing after Ash won that
• 58:53
  title. People were sharing stuff from
• 58:55
  her previous life in NXT where there's pictures like her and
• 59:00
  Becky and Alexa Bliss and Charlotte and all the people
• 59:06
  that were in NXT's women's division back then because they
• 59:10
  all, like, they all won championships up on the main
• 59:12
  roster. I think she may have had a
• 59:14
  women's tag title at one point, but I'm not sure of that.
• 59:17
  I know, sure. When they were doing the whole
• 59:18
  angle with her in Charlotte where Charlotte was like the
• 59:20
  mean girl to her, I thought they were going to do a whole angle
• 59:22
  where she was going to take on Charlotte and it never happened.
• 59:25
  She just mean girled her, threw her away and then they just
• 59:27
  forgot about the whole angle. Yeah, well, I mean, the only
• 59:30
  real angle she had on the main roster was the love thing, the
• 59:33
  love romance thing with Reggie in the 24/7 title.
• 59:36
  And I mean, there that was. That she did that she was with
• 59:41
  where she looked like a Brazzers thing, where it was her one in a
• 59:44
  secondary suit. Yeah.
• 59:46
  And then the Charlotte thing. But then she was on dark
• 59:48
  matches. I remember we talked about this
• 59:49
  on the podcast a long time ago. They said she was killing it in
• 59:51
  house shows and dark matches and people were really getting
• 59:54
  behind her. And then she got her head busted
• 59:56
  open really bad by Viking Warrior wife.
• 1:00:01
  Lady Oh. Sarah Logan, Yeah.
• 1:00:02
  Sarah Logan busted her open real bad and busted and then that was
• 1:00:06
  kind of the last we really heard of her and then she had some
• 1:00:08
  death in her with her partners and stuff.
• 1:00:11
  It was rough. Hank and tank versus dark state.
• 1:00:14
  I thought dark state is corny. I don't like the team at all but
• 1:00:17
  Hank and Tank. Never seen that before till this
• 1:00:19
  pay-per-view. I don't watch NXT weekly, but
• 1:00:22
  Hank and Tank remind me of a of an old ECW team.
• 1:00:28
  They remind me of the the the gangsters I used to everyone
• 1:00:30
  like they come out with the vlog football jerseys or hockey
• 1:00:33
  jerseys. You're talking about gangsters
• 1:00:35
  or Public Enemy? Public Enemy.
• 1:00:37
  They remind me of Public Enemy. The gangsters are like Mustafa
• 1:00:40
  and New Jack, they remind. You know, they remind, they
• 1:00:42
  remind me of Public Enemy. I thought, I thought they gave
• 1:00:45
  me Public Enemy vibes. And then Jordan Grace versus
• 1:00:47
  Blake Run Monroe. I thought it was a fine, I think
• 1:00:50
  it was a good match. I don't think it was the best
• 1:00:52
  women's match in the card. I definitely think the best
• 1:00:54
  women's match in the card goes to the the triple threat #1
• 1:00:57
  contender match. I thought they killed it.
• 1:00:59
  I thought that honestly, that might be the best match on the
• 1:01:02
  whole show. Oba and Javon with a close
• 1:01:04
  second. Also, one of the rumors coming
• 1:01:06
  out of NXT is that a lot of people are pushing internally
• 1:01:10
  for Ethan Page and Chelsea Green to do more work together because
• 1:01:13
  they like their chemistry with one another.
• 1:01:15
  I'm all I'm all for that. I'm I'm big fans of both of
• 1:01:18
  those too. They're they're, they're any
• 1:01:19
  anytime they're on ITV, I'm happy.
• 1:01:21
  Give me Canadian gold right there.
• 1:01:23
  You know, sponsor them. Labatt blue.
• 1:01:26
  All right. And then we had the Forbidden
• 1:01:29
  Door. Zero Hour 8 man.
• 1:01:31
  Tag, I think it's still going on.
• 1:01:33
  I think it's still going on, actually.
• 1:01:35
  Versus Paragon, and I mean everything.
• 1:01:38
  That was all right. Then we had a 0 hour trios match
• 1:01:41
  with our boy speedball, Kevin Knight.
• 1:01:43
  And so hang. On I'm going to keep a tally
• 1:01:48
  here. The first match was an 8 man
• 1:01:49
  tag. Yep, second match is a three.
• 1:01:51
  Match is a six man tag so now we are at two matches and I'm on
• 1:01:56
  the talk with the shirt I'm wearing right now but I'm I'm
• 1:02:00
  doing my PPW shirt but I'm doing my I'm doing my best to trim
• 1:02:04
  those matches now I. Promise 88 men women's tag for
• 1:02:08
  the 0 hour on the other side. So we have 288 person tag, so
• 1:02:13
  that's 16 people plus A6 man, which gives us six more.
• 1:02:16
  That's 20. All right, so we're three
• 1:02:18
  matches and 20 people. Yep, which here's the thing, I
• 1:02:21
  get it. But like here I, I, I think when
• 1:02:23
  people get their money's worth and then people get the
• 1:02:25
  wrestling in front of a crowd. I I don't think it's a terrible
• 1:02:26
  thing, but like you don't have to watch the pre show, but it's
• 1:02:29
  there. Then we had a trio championship
• 1:02:33
  match, so another 20. Six people, 26 people, four
• 1:02:37
  matches. Then we had Kyle Fletcher versus
• 1:02:40
  Takahashi, which good match. I'm not a huge Takahashi fan but
• 1:02:45
  I thought it was a good match. I love her.
• 1:02:47
  I'm not a, I'm not sold on him. He's kind of like Darby where he
• 1:02:50
  just takes a beat in the whole time and laughs and I just, he's
• 1:02:52
  not for me. He's better though.
• 1:02:55
  But then we had the IWGP championship on the defense,
• 1:02:58
  Zach Saber junior versus Nigel McGinnis.
• 1:03:00
  Love that match. I thought it was great.
• 1:03:02
  I'm so happy to see Nigel wrestling again, so.
• 1:03:04
  Zacks are bleeding. Got a little nervous, I'm not
• 1:03:06
  going to lie. Nigel is one of my favorite ROH
• 1:03:09
  champions of all time. I, I, I was going to a lot of
• 1:03:11
  Ring of Honor shows with Nigel at the belt.
• 1:03:13
  Yeah, Hertz in the kit took on FTR and Brodito and lost
• 1:03:18
  Brodito, your new tag team champions.
• 1:03:20
  And the end of the match kind of looked screwy, like it was a
• 1:03:23
  botch, but I guess they went with it.
• 1:03:25
  It looked like the referee counted 3 and someone didn't
• 1:03:28
  break it up in time or or they just did a good job of selling
• 1:03:30
  it. But overall I thought it was a
• 1:03:32
  fine match and we're going to get if looks like Hertz and I
• 1:03:35
  think it's going to go after Ricochet's team and FTR is going
• 1:03:38
  to go after C&C, which is a great name.
• 1:03:41
  Do you know what C&C stands for? Cage and Copeland.
• 1:03:45
  Are consensual non consent, which is a whole thing in the in
• 1:03:52
  in the world of like sex acts, which is pretty much simulated.
• 1:03:55
  OK, yeah, not interesting. All all I really know is he went
• 1:03:58
  from rated. R is DNC.
• 1:04:00
  That's all I really know about. Yeah.
• 1:04:02
  Yeah, all I really know about is the music factory, that that's
• 1:04:04
  about it. Then we had the TBS four way
• 1:04:07
  championship, which I thought if it's a four way, we're going to
• 1:04:09
  probably get a new champion and I thought it would be Alex
• 1:04:12
  Windsor, but Mercedes. Monet retains, but I will
• 1:04:14
  Mercedes must pose. I found a new favorite wrestler
• 1:04:18
  in that match. I thought Persephone was really
• 1:04:21
  good, but Bozilla is a beast. I need Bozilla versus Sammy
• 1:04:25
  chaos right now, but Bozilla unreal.
• 1:04:29
  I'm a Bozilla fan. Like I thought she was
• 1:04:32
  incredibly charismatic and very fun to watch.
• 1:04:36
  Made me a fan after that match. Tag team championship match, our
• 1:04:41
  tag team match. Copeland and Cage versus Kip.
• 1:04:43
  Save and kill switch. Wasn't the best, wasn't the
• 1:04:46
  worst. It was fine.
• 1:04:48
  The Rainmaker Okada versus Sword Strickland.
• 1:04:50
  Fantastic match. I thought that was really,
• 1:04:52
  really good. Okada is starting to show you
• 1:04:54
  who Okada is a little bit. Really good match there.
• 1:04:58
  Then we had the lights out steel cage match.
• 1:05:00
  Osprey Darby, Kenny, Okoda, Abushi and Tanahashi versus Mox
• 1:05:05
  Claudio and the Young Bucks with Gabe Kidd.
• 1:05:08
  Fun match. It was fine. the IT was a
• 1:05:10
  interesting different cage because obviously you can't put
• 1:05:13
  that many people in a cage and and not have like an outside
• 1:05:15
  thing. So the cage took up like the
• 1:05:18
  whole area, which I thought was a cool idea for a cage.
• 1:05:21
  Honestly I hope more cages stay that way where it kind of just
• 1:05:24
  block where they kind of have the outside to play with.
• 1:05:26
  Back in WCW that was called the Thunderdome cage.
• 1:05:30
  Yeah, yeah, I really. Like that that was.
• 1:05:32
  And then WWE said let's put a roof on that and call it Helm a
• 1:05:34
  Cell. Yeah, pretty much.
• 1:05:36
  And then we had timeless Tony Storm take on the ROH Women's
• 1:05:39
  Champion Athena. I thought for sure this is
• 1:05:42
  Athena's time to beat it. I was shot.
• 1:05:45
  It was a great match, loved it so much.
• 1:05:49
  Then we had the World Championship Adam and Hang
• 1:05:52
  Hangman Adam Page versus MJF. And.
• 1:05:56
  It was a good match. It was fine.
• 1:05:58
  I think the the story, I thought the story was going to be more
• 1:06:00
  like Hangman overcame his thing, but he he he essentially cheated
• 1:06:04
  to win too, like it is. I, I like that.
• 1:06:06
  I like that. Well, sometimes those nuanced
• 1:06:09
  stories. The problem is you have to be
• 1:06:11
  very careful for continuity's sake.
• 1:06:12
  Well. Once they change the whole
• 1:06:13
  stipulations going into the pay-per-view, I was like, oh,
• 1:06:16
  he's not changing the title at any.
• 1:06:18
  Yeah, I I get what's the deal now you have you can cash and we
• 1:06:20
  have to give like a week's notice.
• 1:06:22
  Or something. It has to like a week notice
• 1:06:23
  before you cash in. Kind of defeats the coolest part
• 1:06:26
  about that whole gimmick, but OK.
• 1:06:28
  I don't know if that cash in is like, I don't know if like yeah,
• 1:06:31
  I guess they did cash in that way before.
• 1:06:34
  I don't know it's. Weird they have like when
• 1:06:36
  Christian used it for Christian, Yeah, yeah, totally.
• 1:06:39
  But the the the funniest thing for that is like, security is
• 1:06:44
  trying to keep Mark Briscoe from coming in.
• 1:06:46
  It's like, oh, now security shows up for Mark Briscoe.
• 1:06:49
  Not when he was being doused in gasoline.
• 1:06:51
  Yeah, not when he's getting lit on fire.
• 1:06:53
  And congratulations to him, man. Another baby.
• 1:06:55
  Oh, good for good for you chicken.
• 1:06:56
  Tons of Briscoes out there now. That'll pretty much do it for us
• 1:06:59
  guys. We're going to get into our last
• 1:07:01
  little segment here of talk about independent wrestling.
• 1:07:03
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• 1:07:05
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• 1:07:07
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• 1:07:17
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• 1:07:21
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• 1:07:22
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• 1:07:25
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• 1:07:27
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• 1:07:31
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• 1:07:32
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• 1:07:34
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• 1:07:40
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• 1:07:43
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• 1:07:46
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• 1:07:50
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• 1:07:53
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• 1:07:56
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• 1:08:00
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• 1:08:10
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• 1:08:15
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• 1:08:18
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• 1:08:22
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• 1:08:26
  one of them I'm going to announce as soon as I get off of
• 1:08:28
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• 1:08:31
  Now it's official. Tony Deppen will be joining us
• 1:08:34
  on September 13th. Speaking of Pillguru Brewing,
• 1:08:37
  but Tony is going to be doing a seminar for local wrestlers.
• 1:08:40
  Anybody that wants to help learn the craft from somebody who was
• 1:08:42
  a very, very, very, very good professional wrestler, Tony
• 1:08:47
  Deppen is going to be you. Think Tony just kind of comes to
• 1:08:49
  PPW, likes the locker room, and keeps coming back.
• 1:08:52
  Who knows? Who knows?
• 1:08:53
  I hope so. We'll have to see.
• 1:08:55
  But the the big thing here is that Tony's going to be doing
• 1:08:59
  this seminar. It's only $20, which is a
• 1:09:01
  bargain. A bargain.
• 1:09:04
  If I was a wrestler, I would be lapping that up.
• 1:09:06
  And the proceeds are going toward Jeff Cannibal in his
• 1:09:09
  fight with ALS, as are the proceeds for Fighter Tainment
• 1:09:12
  tomorrow. I'll, I'll tell you this right
• 1:09:14
  now too, and just just for someone out there, if you're in
• 1:09:17
  the wrestling industry or you want to get involved in the
• 1:09:19
  wrestling industry or anything like that.
• 1:09:21
  Seminars are not always just for people who are in the ring
• 1:09:24
  working. This one I.
• 1:09:26
  Think will be Tony's. I from what I understand, Tony's
• 1:09:28
  very hands on with the seminars. But I mean, even if you're a
• 1:09:31
  commentator or someone who does backstage interviews or just
• 1:09:34
  wants to understand more what's happening in the ring so you can
• 1:09:37
  educate yourself better to be a better person in the locker room
• 1:09:40
  or anything like that. Like if even if you physically
• 1:09:42
  can't do seminars where you can get in there and work, go to
• 1:09:45
  them. I think they're very helpful for
• 1:09:46
  people who want to be in the business in other.
• 1:09:48
  Aspects Yeah, I know. Worldwide Dojo.
• 1:09:50
  They just had a packed house for Gabe Sapolsky.
• 1:09:53
  Yeah, James Sapolsky came back to Bristol, his old stomping
• 1:09:56
  grounds, and did a seminar for Worldwide Dojo.
• 1:09:58
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:09:59
  Well, that'll do it for us, BP. Anything else you want to close
• 1:10:01
  out with? Yeah, so speaking to Tony
• 1:10:04
  Deppen, speaking to PPW, Speaking of September 13th, the
• 1:10:07
  we announced it at the show, but it was kind of up in the air.
• 1:10:10
  But everything is is good to go. We are going to have ATV title
• 1:10:13
  match, our new PPW Television Champion VSK defending against a
• 1:10:18
  former Ring of Honor TV champion Tony Deppen.
• 1:10:21
  I can't wait for that match. And that is going to happen on
• 1:10:24
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• 1:10:27
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• 1:10:29
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