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Autism & Dyslexia In Modern Times · Aspergers & Autism Podcast [The Aspie World] AuDHD

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  You have arrived. Welcome to the Aspy world.
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  Here's where we talk about anything and everything ASD in
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  an upbeat and informative way. And now here's your man on the
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  spectrum, your autism ambassador, Daniel Morgan Jones.
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  Hey guys, welcome back to another Aspy World podcast.
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  So pumped. Hope you're enjoying these daily
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  episodes. I am joined today by a new
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  guest, somebody who I'd met. I'm not on Tai sure of either
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  social media or e-mail. Anyway, we're going to get into
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  all that right now. But before we do, I know that
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  review here on YouTube, that would also be dope.
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  OK, Aria, how how are you, man? Like, explain to us who you are,
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  what you do and and everything in between.
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  OK, Yeah, I'm good. Thank you, Dan for having me on.
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  And it's, well, I have been doing my MA in Education studies
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  and I wrote about media education for dyslexics and then
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  started my journey from there to start basically implementing
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  what I learned in university through on this topic and
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  started my journey on YouTube. And through that, my channel was
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  kind of boring. One of the first videos where
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  actually a oral exam that I had on the topic of neurodiversity
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  and university. And I wasn't able to schedule a,
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  an appointment with my professor.
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  And that way I got my first videos up was super nervous and
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  yeah, but I got them out. So that was good.
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  And that just grew, grew a lot. And now people are reaching out
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  to me and I've been starting offering coachings for dyslexic
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  adults, and that is going well. And yeah, overall it has been
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  just really, really gratifying work because I'm dyslexic
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  myself, so my heart is really in it.
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  And that's kind of how this developed, really.
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  Yeah. So that so those are the first
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  things about me really. So, so I want to talk about
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  dyslexia really quickly. Like so I'm dyslexic.
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  It was my first diagnosis with was dyslexia.
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  And my gosh, it's probably one of the most interesting
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  conditions I have because it's not only debilitating in certain
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  areas of your life, it also it also has a a secondary impact of
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  feeling kind of inferior in certain situations, you know,
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  because if you can't read, you know, you're a full grown adult
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  and you can't read a word properly.
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  People are like, dude, come on. And that and everyone has an
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  opinion on it, right? They're like, you need to learn
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  more at school and you're lazy or one of those crap.
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  And so how do you have you felt like this as well?
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  I mean, look, I, yeah, for for the longest time, I really tried
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  to prove those people wrong that were saying these negative
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  things about me. We're saying, well, you know,
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  you cannot do it. And, you know, you want to go to
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  university, Well, that's not going to happen.
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  Those kind of things came up. And of course, yeah.
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  Every time you're in in class or in some kind of situation where
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  things are read out loud, you know, you kind of see the line
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  and it's coming closer to you and OK, now, now I need to read.
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  And it's like, you know, you're kind of nervous and just kind of
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  sweating and yeah, of course makes a difference.
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  And you know, it's super difficult.
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  So when I was in university, we had, there was a, we had an
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  award-winning dyslexia centre called the Myles Dyslexia Centre
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  here in Bangor, Wales, in the University of Wales in Bangor.
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  And it's a fantastic facility. One of the things they did was
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  they had these, like when I was handing in, like my
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  dissertation, I had like a yellow form that I put on the
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  front of it. And this yellow slip just
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  basically said, you know, this person's dyslexic, bear this in
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  mind whilst grading this paper. And that was really interesting.
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  Yeah. That that, that's great.
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  We did not really have that me in Germany.
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  I basically had to, you know, tell them and then they had a a
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  meeting where they then decided if they wanted to give these
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  kind of things to me and wanted to actually, yeah, yeah.
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  Basically give me some more time and also consider it while
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  grading. So that that was done and I was
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  given that. But it's it seems like it wasn't
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  really an automatic process even though I did get the help then
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  eventually. Dude, that's crazy.
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  Like, you know, I, another thing was what they call reasonable
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  adjustments, right? So they give you extra time or
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  they do something like give you access to use a computer because
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  obviously handwriting may be quite difficult for you.
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  And I think that like having those things, having those
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  little, those little pieces kind of injected into your, your
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  journey. I've been a dyslexic student or
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  a dyslexic learner really helped kind of give you a level playing
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  field with the other students, right?
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  Or the other kind of like people, you know, learners in
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  that environment, how do you feel like on a whole, how do you
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  feel the world's attitude towards the sex series now?
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  Well, you know, I feel it really depends on the country you're
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  in. So for example, I had some, some
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  people from South Africa and I feel like, you know, she was
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  telling me, I mean, of course these are anecdotal stories that
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  are marrying, but I hear about physical abuse around that.
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  And that is something that is that was really heavy.
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  And actually, you know, if you look into the studies around
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  that, dyslexics are like around 7 times higher.
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  There's a 7 times higher likelihood of us experiencing
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  that as a kid as a form of punishment.
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  And listen. Yes, Why?
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  Why? Why?
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  Why? How would that even happen?
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  Like, look, physical abuse is something that should never be
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  tolerated anyway. But I mean, like, how does that
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  even happen? How did somebody say, you know,
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  you know what? This person's struggling, So
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  what we used to do is make them struggle even more.
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  Let's give a girl a slap, you know, like, how does that make
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  any sense? What was the?
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  I, I mean it, it does not. I, I could have said like, you
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  know, she was actually, you know, what I've heard from her
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  is that she was like really beaten with a book.
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  So that is that's like the extent to where it go, where it
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  can go and it is absolutely. Nonsensical, right?
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  Yeah, it's, it's nonsensical and, and I have not heard of
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  anything like that, for example, in Europe.
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  But you know, the, the, these things do happen.
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  And it is also, I think a big part of why, why mental health
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  is such a main topic in dyslexic community, you know, because we,
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  you know, you're kind of, if you think about us as a group, you
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  know, we're, we're missing these fundamental skills to do reading
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  and writing right, to do that properly.
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  But then you're giving the test as if you were neurotypical.
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  Yeah, right. So basically in a way, you could
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  argue that we're set up to fail in a way.
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  And through then people are like, well, you know, we're
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  getting worried and we're, we need to up the pressure a little
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  bit so that this. Kid is.
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  Keeping up or like basically, yeah, makes it in some way.
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  And if you're then not diagnosed, then people just
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  don't understand what's going on with you.
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  And the default answer is like, well, kind of slow or kind of
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  stupid or something along those lines.
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  And that can have like serious impact on yourself esteem and
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  the way you feel about yourself. And yeah.
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  You know what's interesting about that as well, 'cause like,
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  you know, as a society, everything we do should be for
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  the group, right? It's for the group of society
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  and no, and, and within that group we have factions, you
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  know, different dynamics of, you know, you and your spouse, you
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  and your kids, you and your friends.
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  Then it's the the biggest circle of maybe all the dyslexic
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  students and you've got society and then you've got every person
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  animal on the planet and then you've got everything else in
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  the universe. And so when you think about
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  like, you know, your attitudes towards the group are going to
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  do one of two things, right? An equal or or opposing
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  reaction, right? You're either going to worsen
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  the situation, which will end up worsening the situation of the
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  group, or you're going to improve the condition of said
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  people in the group. And the entire group will move
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  forward towards a civilization that is prosperous and
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  successful. And I find it so bizarre that
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  people will, will, would treat members of the group, you know,
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  in such negative ways because it's going to impact them.
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  Like, let's put it this way. If you're a, if you're a teacher
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  and you have a dyslexic student right, younger than you and
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  you're an older teacher and you treat the dyslexic student like
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  cramp when you become old and Gray and they're the ones that
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  looking after you, what do you think is going to happen?
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  You know what I mean? Yeah.
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  And so that's also the, like, I think the idea of like, you
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  know, what are we missing out on?
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  Like, what is like, what if all the dyslexics that go through
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  the education system wouldn't be kind of scarred when they get
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  out of it at the end? You know what?
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  Yeah, what would that like would be?
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  What would that be like? And how much potential are we
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  wasting by not taking taking care of it properly, really?
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  100% it's like, you know, it, it, it is, it is crazy because
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  I, I think, you know, zinc can be said for many different kind
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  of groups in a similar, you know, a situation of kind of a
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  lack of opportunity maybe, or someone in, in, in the developed
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  nation where you think, you know, they could be such a
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  brilliant mind that could contribute towards societal
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  group, but they haven't got the chance, the opportunity.
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  So we should never shed them. We should try and kind of like
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  encourage that and urge them towards an existence, right?
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  And I, I think that's just fascinating.
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  But dyslexia has been dead. Sorry, wait, I just wanted, just
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  would like to add something there.
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  And then at the same time, like I was, yeah, a few years ago, I
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  was in Texas, Dallas at the Shelton School and I talked to,
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  and that's a school that's specifically for people with
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  dyslexia and also built with ADHD.
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  And I talked to people who were at that school and they were
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  generally happy there. So I'm like, wow, you know,
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  apparently we are actually really able to do it right.
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  They're it's it's not. How you apply the education
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  right, like it's you can't you know, and I had this
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  conversation today. I was talking to somebody on my
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  podcast yesterday, a guy called Sam from young.
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  What the heck was he? I can't remember the name of his
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  company. It's like an Academy for like
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  twice gifted people. Don't forget about him.
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  And he was, he was saying that like, you know, the, the, the,
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  when you apply the right conditions for learning or
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  scholastic education, the person can excel in ways that far, you
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  know, they faster pass whatever you thought would would happen
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  because you're, you're tailoring the environment or you're
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  tailoring their learning style to them.
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  And it makes sense. But when you're, when you're
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  faced with this old archaic ISM, Bad Kingdom, Brunel industrial
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  revolution, you know, this is how school and education will be
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  from the academic standpoint, you kind of get a little bit
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  like, OK, well, I don't fit into that mold, you know, because.
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  Because basically all you're getting taught in school is show
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  up on time, clock in. Yeah, with your working card,
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  know when you can take your lunch break.
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  Ask your supervisor if you can take a toilet break.
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  Go home and don't ask questions. Yeah, I mean the, you know, the
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  whole idea was to create factory workers right in the in the day.
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  Yeah. So that is definitely
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  problematic. But but it is I, I found this
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  very comforting to to see that that we that it is that we are
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  able to do it differently. And I, yeah, I got kind of hoped
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  on that because, you know, looking at my school experience,
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  a lot of feelings that I had were, you know, very negative
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  towards it. I was like, you know, I, yeah,
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  I'm really at such resentment towards that institution that I
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  went to as a child. Yes, that's that, to see that
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  it's that there is actually an option to make that experience
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  so much more positive. That was actually, I really like
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  to to see that. And yeah, it's some help.
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  It's kind of reconciling your trauma from school, right?
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  In a way, yeah. Yeah, I like that.
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  OK, so you said you said that this this this whole dyslexia
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  kind of thing isn't all what you do?
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  What? What else do you?
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  What else do you about? Come on, tell us some more.
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  I'm interested there. You're going to.
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  Be going so besides besides my channel and the coachings that I
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  do what else I'm that's the question yeah.
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  So basically what I've been doing for a while, it's like I
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  came here to Israel and I started, this is not really
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  related to to this Lexian, but I started working in a historical
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  institution and I started to interview people that survived
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  or were able to flee from Nazi Germany.
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  So while they were Austrians. And I had a lot of interviews
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  with survivors from that time and interviewed them and talked
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  about their experience, sometimes even in concentration
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  camps. And those, yeah, those, those,
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  those are also that's fun job that I do at the side.
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  And I encourage now a lot of their social media content.
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  So work with those files and talk to a lot of researchers and
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  basically give them a platform too.
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  And so on their research, yeah, 'cause like when that was a
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  piece of history, that's like, we need to really know, you
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  know, like, so that never happens again.
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  I mean, that's horrible, isn't it?
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  It's funny you should say that. I did a video diving into the
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  Hans Asperger Austria Nazi Vienna kind of takeover when the
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  Nazis took over Vienna. And is, you know, should we use,
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  should we, should we be using the term Asperger syndrome or,
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  you know, was he a Nazi and all this kind of stuff?
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  Really interesting because there's a big, there's a paper
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  on it, right? There's a big Hoo ha in 2018
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  about Hans Asperger and, and it's really interesting.
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  You should totally read that if you haven't already read the
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  paper, because I feel I feel like they unjust, they unjusted
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  the unjust persecute Hans Asperger when there's no actual
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  hard evidence that he has anything to do with the Nazis,
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  right? And so it's kind of like it's
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  really, it's a really interesting concept.
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  But he was funny because I was literally just talking about
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  this, You know, he was in Nazi certified Vienna.
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  Crazy, crazy time in history. Like, you know, you got these
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  totalitarian nut jobs, as you said, God, it's crazy.
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  Like what? What a crazy time to be alive,
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  you know, And to survive it is, is a miracle because it was just
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  horrendous, you know, horrendous.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  So that's absolutely so how? Was I just that?
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  Sorry. Yeah, yeah.
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  So, so that will be one part. And then also the what I've been
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  doing at university, like I've also been giving some, some
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  lectures on or teachers that are, or students that will
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  become teachers in a, in a little on the topic of dyslexia
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  and educating them on it. And, you know, giving them a
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  little bit of an idea of what it's like and you know, so
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  communicating that it's not just reading and writing that that
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  it's more than that. You know, you have the extracted
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  functioning, yes, the mental health expect to it.
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  And that is also something that I do and I try to do on a more
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  regular basis. So that is also interesting.
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  Interesting. So in terms of your YouTube
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  channel, like when did you start it?
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  Oh well, when did you start uploading videos?
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  Like how long ago have you started doing this?
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  I think I started now around, been doing it now for around 4
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  years, something like that. I I started during the pandemic
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  actually. Oh.
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  OK, what an interesting time to start that.
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  How have you found, how have you found you know when you put
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  something out public, you are persecuted to ridicule by
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  people, right? How have you found that?
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  How you found navigating through like hate comments and stuff
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  Well. Interestingly, I have not gotten
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  a lot of that very little, actually barely any, but it is,
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  it's a big thing. It's I was just uploading it was
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  jumping around the apartment totally nervous, nervous about
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  the entire thing. And, and for me, it was just a
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  big growing experience. And then also getting back the,
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  the positive feedback from that was also really, really nice.
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  And the negative, the negative side didn't really come up.
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  I had one time where I did where I talked about dyslexia and, and
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  the topic of disability. So where they're discussing that
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  and having a look at that and I was basically talking about how
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  personally, I didn't really see myself really as disabled for a
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  long time. So that is kind of how I framed
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  it for myself. And, and I, I didn't really, I
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  wasn't really willing to, to, to accept that for myself.
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  Also like I think as a form of of yeah, keeping like the fight
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  in that sense, like. I've been a foster syndrome.
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  Right, like you maybe. Yeah, maybe.
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  You weren't really. It's hard.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Rejecting the idea that you could be, you know, the classes
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  at the same. Yeah, right.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  So that was, that was something that, that I was arguing and,
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  and basically I, I posted that in a group of, of Australian
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  people and they, they didn't really like that.
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  And they actually found it that I was looking at, at being
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  disabled as something negative, as something that I don't want.
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  And and then they went into the ableist direction and actually
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  threw me out of the out of the group without, you know, talking
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  about it without having a discussion about it.
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  So that was actually something that that was the harshest
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  criticism that I've ever had and something, yeah, that I kind of
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  had to work through and kind of struggle with.
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  But yeah, I kind of, you know, yeah.
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  And basically thought about it some more and, and at the end, I
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  actually did feel like the video that I made was kind of
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  misunderstood, you know, often then I would like that.
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  So I actually put it on unlisted.
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  So that. You know, so that it's that it
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  doesn't come across in a way that I don't want it to come
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  across. Yeah.
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  Somebody's always going to disagree what you say, right?
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  You could say like, I love everybody.
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  This one's going to say can I love everyone, mate?
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  Say, oh, come on, just shut. I like, I think somebody was
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  like did the thing where they said, oh, there there's the
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  age-old argument where you can you can, you can argue about
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  anything by saying, you know, they've got a picture of like a
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  twig or something up and they say this is a stick.
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  And then everyone in the car was like, actually it's twig, it's a
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  branch. It's like, OK, it's the same
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  thing, isn't it? But yeah, but people will just
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  argue anything, which I found really fascinating because it's
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  like what we doing anyway, regardless of that, here's my
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  kind of final question for you. Where do you see the future of
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  dyslexic dyslexia advocates and kind of like where we're headed
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  in terms of how we understand things like dyslexia?
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  So let's put it like this. The way I would, what I would
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  hope, the way it would go is that we would look at it in a
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  more actualistic, holistic way. So you know, for example, like
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  you, you know, you're not just dyslexic, you have different
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  diagnosis that that you got. And I think we really need to to
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  see that and kind of look at the individual as a whole.
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  That will be nice. And I think it is going in the
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  direction. I think there is getting more
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  awareness around that. And and then on top of that, I
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  would hope that we that we kind of like in our in the dyslexic
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  community, I don't know how it's and they are to the world.
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  You're, you're hearing a lot about the dyslexic superpowers
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  and. Oh yeah.
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  Those kind of. Talk, right?
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  And I have actually a lot of people that are kind of offended
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  with that because they're either it doesn't apply to them or they
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  feel like, OK, we're not buying it.
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  And then you look at the research and you find, OK, well,
• 22:15
  this is actually not really supported the way it's promoted.
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  So the evidence for these statements are often not there.
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  And I feel like, you know, we need to or what, what, what a
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  solution. And I'm not entirely finished
• 22:31
  with this thought process, but I think one solution could be to
• 22:34
  just look at the individual and look at their strengths and
• 22:37
  talents and promote them and make sure that those individual
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  amazing aspects of us as dyslexics are being themed.
• 22:49
  And yeah, that we can support each other that way.
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  Yeah, I think. I think I think you're right,
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  you know, and I think like I'm the bigger picture is looking at
• 22:59
  the person as the whole person, right?
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  Not just like that one area. And I think when we do that, we
• 23:03
  then start looking and, and, and implementing things, you know,
• 23:11
  because right now, if you say, so I'll, I'll get an issue and
• 23:14
  I'm dyslexic, they'll go look, they'll kind of look at the
• 23:16
  dyslexia thing and give you all the tip for dyslexia.
• 23:18
  But the bigger picture is that dyslexia is also meagerly
• 23:21
  impacted by the ADHD, right? So how do we, how do we get the
• 23:25
  two to work really well together?
• 23:26
  You know, and then the autism is like, you know, so what's the
• 23:28
  big picture here? You know, like, and I think
• 23:30
  that's so interesting because people don't do that.
• 23:32
  And and it's that that I mean even.
• 23:36
  You know, even in the diagnosing world, you know, like what's the
• 23:39
  point and just and just doing 11 diagnosis of one thing, if that
• 23:45
  only gives you a slight piece of the puzzle, you know, you should
• 23:48
  really be have an evaluation where all these things are
• 23:52
  considered to them and get to a point where, yeah, where you
• 23:56
  really understand the person. Absolutely.
• 23:59
  And I think that's the that's the future or that's the
• 24:01
  revolution of it, you know, like where, where are we headed and
• 24:04
  how, how will it kind of how will it benefit the group as a
• 24:07
  whole? And then that's how we do it.
• 24:09
  But yeah, Aji, I think, you know, this has been a fantastic
• 24:13
  conversation. I think we've definitely like
• 24:16
  started a, a thought process in the minds of many.
• 24:20
  So if people want to get in touch with you or check out your
• 24:22
  YouTube channel, how do they, where do they go?
• 24:23
  What's your online handles? So.
• 24:26
  So basically if you go to if you put in dyslexia and then
• 24:31
  dyslexia, let's say you put in dyslexia test, then my face will
• 24:35
  pop up and you can also find me. Yeah, basically find me there.
• 24:43
  Yeah, right in right in REAREA. And my last name is Dehas.
• 24:47
  So that is DE new word Haas. And then I will pop up on on
• 24:54
  YouTube and in every description box you will find a link to my
• 24:57
  website. It's really funny, dude.
• 24:59
  Like I actually have come across some videos before, especially
• 25:02
  the dyslexia test 1. There was a there was a are you
• 25:06
  dyslexic one, right. And that was really interesting.
• 25:09
  Yeah. And I love, Yeah, you're, you're
• 25:11
  very clever. You're very clever.
• 25:12
  YouTube. I will link everything down
• 25:15
  below. I'll link your YouTube channel
• 25:17
  so people can check you out and listening, anyone listening on
• 25:19
  the podcast, check out the show notes.
• 25:21
  I will put the link to Ajay's YouTube channel in there.
• 25:26
  So dude, thanks so much for coming on the show.
• 25:28
  It's it's been awesome. Yeah, you're welcome.
• 25:32
  Hey, guys. Thank you so much.
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