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Dispatches From The Kingdom Of Outsiders Music Culture And More From Tim Sommers · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: They are Hi, Michael, how are you doing today? Man?
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  Speaker 2: There you are.
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  Speaker 1: What do you got the Knights on?
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  Speaker 2: What is that?
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  Speaker 1: Sure? Say?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: New York Knights from the movie The Natural. Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: thought you were talking about our Charlotte Knights.
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  Speaker 3: Ah.
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  Speaker 1: I thought for a moment I had a like I
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  Speaker 1: did see them play.
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  Speaker 2: I did see them play. Nineteen ninety six.
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  Speaker 1: I went down to Charlotte to visit a buddy of mine.
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  Speaker 1: They were the affiliated the Miami Marlins.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and I was a Durham Bulls person. You got
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  Speaker 2: twenty minutes go ahead a Linton Durham and that was
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  Speaker 2: a hell of a ballpark and I used to love
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  Speaker 2: going there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this whole entire area loves baseball so much, and
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  Speaker 1: they're trying so hard to get pro baseball in here,
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  Speaker 1: but for some reason, they just won't come walking into
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  Speaker 1: the Carolinas. There. There is a fever here that is
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  Speaker 1: I kind of like that, it's invisible. It's almost like
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  Speaker 1: almost what we're about ready to talk about here. It's
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  Speaker 1: that underground scene that becomes popular.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm very surprised there isn't a
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  Speaker 3: major league game in the Carolinas and Charlotte or I
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  Speaker 3: mean Doorman would probably be too small. Probably, well, no,
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  Speaker 3: the Triangle, you you could put a team there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, one way.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that I've learned about baseball and
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  Speaker 1: music in general, or even culture, what is it about
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  Speaker 1: that game of baseball that really does come out here
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  Speaker 1: and affect what we're listening to, what we're watching, Because
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I have talked with more baseball players that
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  Speaker 1: were musicians, and it's like, you didn't go there, No,
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  Speaker 1: my game was baseball. So but what are you finding
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  Speaker 1: when you find when you dig into the into the
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  Speaker 1: history of these musicians.
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  Speaker 3: I'm finding, as I know, the book is called Dispatches
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  Speaker 3: from the Kingdom of Outsiders, and I'm finding that something
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  Speaker 3: every musician has in common, even the most mainstream one,
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  Speaker 3: even if you're John man Jovi, even if you're Darius Rucker,
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  Speaker 3: who happens to be a friend of mine, but that's
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  Speaker 3: another story entirely. No matter who you are, whether you're
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  Speaker 3: the wildest punk rocker or the most mainstream musician, I'll
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  Speaker 3: tell you something that John Monjovi and the weirdest musician
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  Speaker 3: has in common.
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  Speaker 2: They were the.
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  Speaker 3: Kid in their high school who was obsessed with music. Yep,
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  Speaker 3: that's what they had in common. There isn't a musician
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  Speaker 3: out there who is an accidental musician. Each one of
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  Speaker 3: them was that kid in high school or that kid
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  Speaker 3: in junior high who was the first person to know
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  Speaker 3: about a new band, or the first person to know, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: you know the who are coming out with a new
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  Speaker 3: record in next year. What do you mean that's next year?
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  Speaker 3: That's all the way next year. Yeah, but I read
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  Speaker 3: about it, and I have to tell you everything about it.
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  Speaker 3: I bet you you could take the most mainstream musician
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  Speaker 3: you could listen to.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, Jason Oldeen whoever, I don't know, and.
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  Speaker 3: I bet you would find out that when they were
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  Speaker 3: in tenth grade, they were the kid who bored everyone
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  Speaker 3: to tears by telling them of facts about their favorite
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  Speaker 3: artist or their favorite band.
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  Speaker 2: Now you take.
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  Speaker 3: All of these kids, Arrow, You take all of these
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  Speaker 3: kids all over America, each of whom were absolutely obsessed
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  Speaker 3: with music, each of whom were forming an identity through
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  Speaker 3: their favorite bands. You put them all together, and that
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  Speaker 3: becomes the Kingdom of Outsiders. That's the place where I
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  Speaker 3: was raised. That's the place where I am from. And
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  Speaker 3: in the nineteen seventies, when I was fourteen, fifteen years old,
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  Speaker 3: in the late in the men, in late nineteen seventies,
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  Speaker 3: I decided that I was going to live my life
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  Speaker 3: in the Kingdom of Outsiders, and that's where I was
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  Speaker 3: going to find my job and my future and my career.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know about you. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you were one.
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  Speaker 3: Of these people who was always boring people with the
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  Speaker 3: details of your favorite bands. But the reason we did
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  Speaker 3: that was we were trying to find an identity, because
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  Speaker 3: music is the land of identity. Music is the land
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  Speaker 3: where we try to find ourselves and find our friends.
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  Speaker 3: And that led to everything that's in this book.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you just spoke the street because of it.
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  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. And I found my identity in Casey
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  Speaker 1: Kasem in Dick Clark in Wolfman Jack, and I thought,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, if they can do it, I can
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  Speaker 1: do it too. I want to talk about music. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: my whole entire radio career has been nothing but sharing
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  Speaker 1: stories of musicians and not talking about four to row
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  Speaker 1: without talk or giving money away to listeners. I don't
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  Speaker 1: care about that. But if I can tell a story,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, damn you you you are speaking my street.
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  Speaker 3: Well, when you dig into this book, there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of stories about musicians in this book, and there's stories
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  Speaker 3: about personal encounters with musicians, and there's interviews with musicians.
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  Speaker 3: For instance, there are only a few interviews in this
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  Speaker 3: book because I only wanted to use the ones which
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  Speaker 3: I thought were really interesting or really unique, Like there's
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  Speaker 3: a very in depth interview with Dave Davies or the Kinks,
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  Speaker 3: in which I thought he says things he never said
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  Speaker 3: in any other interview. There's an interview with this fellow
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  Speaker 3: named Chaz Newby, who is the bass player in the Beatles,
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  Speaker 3: between Stuart Suckcliffe and Paul McCartney. People don't know that
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  Speaker 3: the Beatles had a bass player. Between Stuart Suckcliffe and
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  Speaker 3: Paul McCartney. They did it was this cat named Chaz Neuby.
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  Speaker 3: He was in the vand with for four shows in
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  Speaker 3: late nineteen sixty and then they said, you're working out,
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  Speaker 3: You're doing great. Do you want to stay in the band,
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  Speaker 3: And he said, no, I'm going to stay in college.
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  Speaker 3: And he vanishes into history until I find him again
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  Speaker 3: around twenty fifteen and do one of the only in depth.
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  Speaker 2: Interviews with him. But that's what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Whether it's my personal experiences with people like Johnny.
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  Speaker 2: Depp or Scott Wiland.
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  Speaker 3: Is a very intense piece about my relationship with Scott Weiland,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's about the encounters I have with you two
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  Speaker 3: or the clash, very strange encounters, which when I try
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  Speaker 3: to tell the story it sounds like I'm making them up,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm not, and it told in the book. This
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  Speaker 3: is a book about, as you mentioned, these interesting stories.
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  Speaker 3: It's not about you know, as you said, you know, October,
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  Speaker 3: that's not what rock and roll to us. Rock and
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  Speaker 3: roll to us was the way that it moved us,
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  Speaker 3: that it gave us identity, and then finding out that
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  Speaker 3: these musicians having these remarkable encounters with musicians, and that's
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  Speaker 3: all in the book.
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  Speaker 1: The greatest thing about your book, and I would love
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  Speaker 1: to see the research on how other people are reacting
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  Speaker 1: to it. It makes me make sounds. In other words,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting there going, oh, oh god, oh well, damn,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. In other words, I'm sitting there
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  Speaker 1: talking right back at you as if you're sitting right
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  Speaker 1: there writing that story as it's happening. That's what I
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  Speaker 1: love about this. There's so much interaction in your writing style.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that. And I'll tell you something the book
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  Speaker 3: is about. Yes, I mean that in the real sense,
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  Speaker 3: meaning there's gonna be stuff on that buffet that you
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  Speaker 3: just hate, that you do not want to touch, and
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  Speaker 3: there's gonna be stuff where you go. I love that.
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  Speaker 3: I love that fried shrimp. I'm gonna take a whole
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  Speaker 3: play to that. And then there's gonna be the thing
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  Speaker 3: like those green beans. I don't want any of those
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  Speaker 3: get those away from me. I guarantee that there's not
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  Speaker 3: one person in the world who reads this book who
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  Speaker 3: is going to like everything in it or agree with
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  Speaker 3: everything in it. I have extreme opinions. I'm happy to
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  Speaker 3: say that mostly those opinions are positive, because mostly what
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  Speaker 3: I want to do is I want to make you
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  Speaker 3: the reader of dispatches from the Kingdom of Outsiders, as
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  Speaker 3: excited about rock and roll and as excited about the bands.
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  Speaker 2: That I love and the musicians that I love as
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 1: I tapped into one of your outsiders, being a mobile
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  Speaker 1: DJ playing at these high school dances when I started
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  Speaker 1: playing the Toto song Africa from Weezer now fors of All.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still not over that because that was a moment
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  Speaker 1: in my life where I officially felt old. It was like,
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  Speaker 1: how the hell is Weezer doing this song? But the outsiders,
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  Speaker 1: dude could not get enough of Weezer doing Africa.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot I don't understand about that. I'm beginning
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  Speaker 3: to realize that. Maybe it's like, you know, there's a
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  Speaker 3: long piece in the book about how I finally, at
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  Speaker 3: the age of about fifty five, decided actually I was older,
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  Speaker 3: it was probably sixty. Finally, at the age of about sixty,
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  Speaker 3: decided that I was going to sit down and try
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  Speaker 3: to understand and listen to the Grateful Dead, something I'd
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  Speaker 3: never done in my life. And I'll tell you this,
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  Speaker 3: I ended up being a fan. But that's another story.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe there's something I don't understand about Weezer's version of Africa.
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  Speaker 3: To me, it was trying to prove two things. They
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  Speaker 3: wanted to prove as musicians and engineers and producers that
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  Speaker 3: they can make a carbon copy of a well known record. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: that has it's you know, it's pluses and minuses. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't like Weezers Africa because to me it was ironic,
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  Speaker 3: meaning it by proving that you can do something a
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  Speaker 3: carbon copy of something from the past. It's a way
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  Speaker 3: of saying we are smarter than the listener. That's what
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  Speaker 3: irony is. Irony is an artist saying I am smarter
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  Speaker 3: than the viewer. I am smarter than the listener, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm not interested in that. I'm not interested in irony.
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  Speaker 3: Ironing to me is something that kills art. And as
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  Speaker 3: I say in the book, Wesers Africa seemed to me
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  Speaker 3: to be the pinnacle of irony. Most people are not
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  Speaker 3: going to agree with everything in the book.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, when I disagree with you in the book, what
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  Speaker 1: you give me reasons to is sit there and write
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  Speaker 1: and to do research, and you give me that. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I mean by the interaction is that when I
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  Speaker 1: don't agree with you, you give me that that action
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  Speaker 1: is what it is. And that's what I love about
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  Speaker 1: what you're writing is about, because it's almost like you
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  Speaker 1: can see us through your writing, and you know exactly
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  Speaker 1: who you're going to writ each and how to react
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  Speaker 1: to them. If we come back with a rebuttal.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you, mostly what I want to do,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to write it the Weezer pieces one
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  Speaker 3: of the very few negative pieces in the book, because
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  Speaker 3: mostly what I want to do is the same thing
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  Speaker 3: that I was doing in eleventh grade in the high
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  Speaker 3: school cafeteria, or in my sophomore year in college n YU,
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  Speaker 3: when I would sit in the cafeteria and I want
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  Speaker 3: to tell people everything about why they should love this
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  Speaker 3: song as much as I do.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Tim Sommer coming
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  Speaker 1: up next. The name of the book kind of a
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  Speaker 1: long one. Dispatches from the Kingdom of Outsiders. Once you
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  Speaker 1: step inside, you're going to realize how much outside you
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  Speaker 1: really are. We are back with Tim Sommer. Where did
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  Speaker 1: you find the courage? And when I read about this
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  Speaker 1: about you, I'm going this guy's a radio guy. This
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  Speaker 1: guy is a chance taker. He is evil canevl all
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  Speaker 1: the way to get the Clash to sign a Beatles picture.
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  Speaker 1: That that made me just laugh so loud, because that
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  Speaker 1: to an outsider, that's some cool stuff, dude.
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  Speaker 3: That's one of my favorite stories in the book. Actually,
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  Speaker 3: And I still can't believe that when I was seventeen
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  Speaker 3: years old, In fact, I wasn't seventeen yet. I was
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  Speaker 3: still actually technically sixteen. I wouldn't be seventeen for a
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  Speaker 3: few weeks. And I remember, this was a day you
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  Speaker 3: couldn't do this now, This was a day when you
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  Speaker 3: could just walk into a soundcheck and literally walk right
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  Speaker 3: up on stage.
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  Speaker 2: I would crash sound checks all the time.
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  Speaker 3: I realized you could just walk in the door if
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  Speaker 3: you look like you belong there, and no one was
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  Speaker 3: going to mess with you. And I would just sit
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  Speaker 3: in the front row and watch my favorite bands do
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  Speaker 3: their sound checks. And on this day, I was watching
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  Speaker 3: Clash and I saw them do an amazing soundtrack soundcheck.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, they did this insane like ten minute version
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  Speaker 3: of bo Didley's Roadrunner that just blew my mind anyway,
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  Speaker 3: and I thought to myself, it wasn't nerve I just
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  Speaker 3: I thought to myself, I'm almost seventeen years old. I'm
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  Speaker 3: sixteen going on seventeen, and I thought to myself, what
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  Speaker 3: could be cooler in the whole world than have a
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  Speaker 3: picture of the Beatles signed by the Clash Because the
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  Speaker 3: Class were my Beatles. I worshiped the Class. I studied
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  Speaker 3: everything about them. I read every article, I studied every
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  Speaker 3: bar of music, and I thought to myself, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to give the Clash a picture of the Beatles and
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  Speaker 3: ask them to sign it. And I actually did it,
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  Speaker 3: and to their credit, they didn't say go to hell, kid.
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  Speaker 3: They said, huh, maybe we'll do this. Let's ask Joe
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  Speaker 3: Strummer what he thinks, because I was talking to the
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  Speaker 3: three members of the Clash and Joe was standing off
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  Speaker 3: to the side, and they said, I don't know about this.
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  Speaker 3: If Joe says yes, we'll do it. And Joe said no.
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  Speaker 3: But he said no, very very politely, and he said,
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  Speaker 3: I won't sign that, but I'll sign anything else you got.
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  Speaker 3: And I happened to have bought a copy of their
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  Speaker 3: first album as a backup, so they signed that instead.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna think I'm a total freak here. You're talking
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  Speaker 1: about that the Clash be and your Beatles. Well, this
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  Speaker 1: is where I'm the outsider. I thought Leif Garrett was
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  Speaker 1: my Elvis Presley, and I had him sign a dollar bill,
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  Speaker 1: which I still have to this day see, and I
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  Speaker 1: still to this day love Leif Garrett.
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  Speaker 3: Now there's a big piece in the book on Taylor Swift,
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  Speaker 3: and a lot of people are surprised that I wrote
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  Speaker 3: a piece in the book. I am really very excitedly
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  Speaker 3: praising Taylor Swift, and I'll tell you why. And I
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  Speaker 3: think this will relate a little bit to your affection.
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  Speaker 2: For Leif Garrett. If you can put.
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  Speaker 3: The words of teenagers, the things that teenagers are thinking
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  Speaker 3: and feeling, if you can put that into music, you
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  Speaker 3: will make a billion dollars. There is nothing more powerful
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  Speaker 3: than the ability of an artist to write your book
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  Speaker 3: quotes and Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift has this amazing ability
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  Speaker 3: to take the thoughts of the inarticulate thoughts of teenage
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  Speaker 3: girls and put them into her lyrics, put them into
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  Speaker 3: her music. And that's an amazing thing. And when you
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  Speaker 3: saw a Leaf Garrett, you were probably thinking, this is
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  Speaker 3: someone who represents.
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  Speaker 2: What I wish I could be, what I wish I was.
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  Speaker 3: When they sing their songs, they are I bet tell
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  Speaker 3: me if this wasn't true or not. When Leif Garrett
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  Speaker 3: sang a song and you thought, I wish I could
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  Speaker 3: say that to that girl in my social studies class.
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  Speaker 1: I was made for loving you. Yeah, yeah, I was
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  Speaker 1: made for dancing. That's what it was. I was made
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  Speaker 1: for dancing, and I would sit there and I would
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  Speaker 1: dance it. Lefe's doing it. So why are you laughing
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  Speaker 1: at me?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I mean I couldn't get enough of.
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  Speaker 3: It, exactly, exactly. And that's the kingdom about ciders. It's
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  Speaker 3: finding our identities to music. It's finding musicians who say
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  Speaker 3: the things we wish we could say. And then the
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  Speaker 3: next step is finding other people wearing that same T shirt,
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  Speaker 3: and then finding other people across the street, across town,
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  Speaker 3: in a different city. I have people who in the
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  Speaker 3: nineteen seventies established relationships that change their lives because they
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  Speaker 3: had a pen pal in a different state who liked
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  Speaker 3: the same music as they did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the social media. Then, okay, we got
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the sex pistols, only in the way
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  Speaker 1: because you talk about them a lot inside the book.
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  Speaker 1: I was very disappointed when Johnny Rotten said this past
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  Speaker 1: week there would not be a tour, but yet you
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  Speaker 1: give us that urge inside our bodies. I got to
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  Speaker 1: see the sex Pistols. I got to see the sex
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  Speaker 1: pistols and what I love. And you even write about
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  Speaker 1: Johnny saying things that punk was a state of mind.
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  Speaker 1: He told me they play the blues. What do you
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  Speaker 1: say from your side? Was it the blues or was
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  Speaker 1: it a state of mind that Johnny is doing.
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  Speaker 3: That's a really, really good question. I think, having been
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  Speaker 3: fortunate enough to have known John Lyden a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: and when I lived in la in the nineteen nineties
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  Speaker 3: we were fairly good friends.
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  Speaker 2: I think he thought of himself as an artist. He
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  Speaker 2: was very.
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  Speaker 3: Committed to hardcore German and English art rock of the
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  Speaker 3: nineteen seventies, and he listened as a listener, he listened
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  Speaker 3: to almost nothing but weird German and English art rock
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  Speaker 3: and reggae. And I think he thought of his role
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  Speaker 3: in the sex Pistols as being a provocateur, as being
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  Speaker 3: an artist, as being.
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  Speaker 2: Salvad or Dolly, let's put it that way.
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  Speaker 3: I think he thought of himself as being salvead or
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Dolly in the midst of this sort of you know,
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: very Mick Ronson type band.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think Johnny Depp is the most undiscovered
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: rock and roll musician of our time? Because I still
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: believe he's got something in him, he just will not
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: take that damn step to call it his own.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting you say that because, as you may,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: as you and some of your listeners may know, he
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: was a musician.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Before he was an actress.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Yes, you know, he played and I think a relatively
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: popular sort of local Florida hard rock band. And that's
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: once you start off as a musician, you're a musician forever.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I bet I'll tell you something. I'm gonna tell you
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: something about I'm gonna.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Dviate for a second and tell a story about there's
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: a great story about Johnny Depp in the book, as
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: you know, but I'm gonna tell you a quick story
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: about about my friend, and I'm happy. I'm excited to
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: call him my friend, my friend Darius Rucker. Yes, when
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Darius was at the height of his fame with Hoodi
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: and the Blowfish, when Hoody and the Blowfish were selling
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty thousand records a week and were
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: number one in the charts, I said to him once,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: would you give this all up to throw one pass in.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: The NFL ooh.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: And this wasn't an interview were we were good friends
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: at the time. We're just having this conversation. And he
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: thought about it, really seriously, thought about it a long time.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: And finally Darius turns to me and he says, no,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't give it up to throw one pass. I
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: would give it up to play one season. Oh wow,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: which is And I'm telling that story to say that
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: I bet if you said to Johnny Depp, would you
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: have given this all up to have played in a
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: successful rock band, to be, say, you know, in Stone
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Temple Pilots, to have been in Alice in Chains, to
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: have been in Pearl Jam, would you have given this
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: all up? He would have said yes. So yeah, I
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: think Johnny Depp at his heart is always a rock
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: and roller and he would have given it all up
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: just to have been in a successful rock and roll
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: band for one year.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I got to tell you the reason why I love
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Darius to my soul. First of all, he's a Carolina guy.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: But he used to come in and do so many
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: radio shows with us that and when he would come
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: in there, he was the one of us. He was
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: never Darius, that big superstar.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Genuine, oh my super genuine.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Oh and laugh, Oh my god, he loves to laugh
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: and and and your book really rocked my memories on
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that because with the moment anybody talks about Hoody, you've
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: got my soul. You own me like you wouldn't believe,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: because they are a real, honest to God group of kids.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Now, as you may know or may not know, my
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: last book, Dispatches from the Kingdom Outsiders. This amazing buffet
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: of my experiences and my opinions is my second book.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: My first book was a book about Whody and.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: The Blowfish and my experiences with Hoody in the Bluefish.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Who I am credited, who I signed to Atlantic when
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: no one else wanted to touch them, and who I'm
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: credited with, quote end quote, discovering Though nobody discovers a band,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: a band works hard, works there but off for years
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: and years, and then some record industry guy happened to
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: stumble upon them, and he says, oh, I discovered them, No,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: you didn't. You just happen to come across them. You
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: happen to be in the room at the right time.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: That's what I did with Hoody in The Blowfish. I'm
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: very proud of the role I played with Hoody in
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: The Blowfish and Darius's career. But I didn't discover them.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: They discovered themselves. I did not write about who in
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: this book because I wrote a whole book about them before.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: But there are a lot of other stories about people
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: that I worked with and that I knew, and my
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: experiences at MTV and my experiences at VH one, and
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: my experiences with people like Scott Ireland and Johnny Depp,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: and you know, not to mention, as you noticed in
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: my teenage experiences with The Clash and you two and
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: things like that.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Wow, you got to come back to this show anytime
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: in the future. Twenty minutes with you is never going.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: To be conte How kind of you to say that,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Thank
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: You, Please come back man, and you be brilliant today, okay, sir,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: And you too, sir,