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Inside The Birds Postgame Show Week 11: Philadelphia Eagles 16, Detroit Lions 9 · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the Inside the Birds post game show.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher, Adam Kaplan here, And if we're starting to
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: sound like a broken record, Adam Kaplan. The Eagles defense
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  Speaker 1: saves the day again. The Eagles win sixteen to nine
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  Speaker 1: over the Detroit Lions, and once again offense struggles defense.
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  Speaker 1: And it happened right around this time last year, Adam,
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  Speaker 1: where the Eagles defense sort of started to get right,
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  Speaker 1: started to get comfortable, and then really took off to
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  Speaker 1: the point that they were number one by the end
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  Speaker 1: of the year. And you're starting to see it now.
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  Speaker 1: And it's funny because the vibe coming out of the
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  Speaker 1: locker room all week long about aj Brown and the offense.
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  Speaker 1: The offensive players said, you know, we can't just keep
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  Speaker 1: making our defense have to be the hero and save
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  Speaker 1: the day. Well, guess what I think the defense is
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  Speaker 1: doing it. They've actually and they're relishing it. They're really
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  Speaker 1: coming together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and a night where we talked about this to
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  Speaker 2: the pregame show was going to be winning. It was
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  Speaker 2: brutal out there. It was tough that Collinsworth kept talking
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  Speaker 2: about it, how it's got to be tough for guys
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  Speaker 2: like Jared Goff. We don't have power arms where Hurts
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  Speaker 2: has got a strong arm. But we'll get to that overall,
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  Speaker 2: but look, it's a win. The defense was dominant. Talking
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  Speaker 2: to coaches over the years, it's not about sex, it's
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  Speaker 2: about constant, consistent pressure, and that's what you got from
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  Speaker 2: their D line. They were relentless. It's another thing we
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  Speaker 2: talked about in the pregame show is GoF cannot get
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  Speaker 2: out of his own way sometimes, and he could not
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  Speaker 2: get out of his own way. Boy did they get
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  Speaker 2: to him.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk more in depth in a couple of minutes
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  Speaker 2: about the defense, but overall, to win on our tough conditions,
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  Speaker 2: they had their opportunities in offense. Actually, I thought the
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  Speaker 2: offense was a little bit better than probably most people thought.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't good enough. Clearly the squitch step on offensive points,
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  Speaker 2: that's bad, but there were some good things. There were
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  Speaker 2: a lot of execution errs in this game, a ton
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  Speaker 2: of them in particular in the first half.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of drops, a lot of drops. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that had anything to do with the win. I
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  Speaker 1: think I was just there's a lot of drops and
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  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, miss some miss blocks and
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  Speaker 1: weird wonk. I mean a very wonky night for the
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  Speaker 1: tush push itself. I've never seen them fail so miserably
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  Speaker 1: had it before. But that's just kind of a microcosm
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  Speaker 1: of this team right now. They take a step forward
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  Speaker 1: sometimes on offense, but two steps backwards. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: their signature play. And then you give them a chance
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  Speaker 1: on defense and they come up with stop time and
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  Speaker 1: time again. And in the big picture here, the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: are eight and two, and in this win, no matter
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  Speaker 1: how flawed they might look, they've beaten the Bucks, They've
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  Speaker 1: beaten the Rams, they've beaten the now Detroit Lions, and
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  Speaker 1: they've beaten the Cowboys. So in the NFC they are
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  Speaker 1: sitting pretty right now. They are tied with the Rams
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  Speaker 1: for the best record, but they obviously own the tiebreaker.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of football left to play, but I
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  Speaker 1: think it just goes to show barring some kind of
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  Speaker 1: unforeseen collapse and the way their defense is coming together,
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  Speaker 1: that would be hard. The Eagles are ere in the
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  Speaker 1: driver's seat right now, and they're they're making their claim
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  Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter how ugly it looks. At the
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  Speaker 1: end of the day, they got a lot of quality wins,
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  Speaker 1: and they're going to be a very tough out no
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  Speaker 1: matter who they play or win.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Eagles have a better commerce record because the
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  Speaker 2: Rams have only played five games. It's weird. I think
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  Speaker 2: their last.
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  Speaker 1: Well head would take president.
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  Speaker 2: Right they had had it. I'm just saying in terms
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  Speaker 2: of conference record, if you're just looking at you know what,
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  Speaker 2: why the commerce trucker looks like it is because the Rams,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I have only played five conference games. But again,
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  Speaker 2: as you said, the Eagles had they win the tie
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  Speaker 2: record because they beat them when the Rams choke that game.
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  Speaker 2: They by the way they've been with Rams have been
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  Speaker 2: mostly lights out since then. Yeah, very much like the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: Makes it right to you when you joke like that.
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  Speaker 2: But the strength of victory for the Eagles number one
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  Speaker 2: in the NFC, which is what I actually in terms
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  Speaker 2: of all the playoff bound teams by far, but not
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  Speaker 2: the Rams are number two. Eagles are five thirteen. Rams
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  Speaker 2: are five oh six, and then after that there's a
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  Speaker 2: major drop off term strength of victory, because that's what
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  Speaker 2: you were talking about, is just and they they've played that.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny because we didn't know coming into the season
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  Speaker 2: how good the schedule would be right. You just don't
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  Speaker 2: know about the teams. You think that what they look
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  Speaker 2: like is who they'll be, but they don't always They're
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  Speaker 2: not always going to look like that. But and then
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  Speaker 2: we know the Eagles in two weeks have to play
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  Speaker 2: the Breath of the Bears in that game. All of
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  Speaker 2: the Bears have had a very easy schedule. They continue
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  Speaker 2: to win. Yeah in terms of of well, I shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: say easy schedule. It's just the way that they've won
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  Speaker 2: has been odd.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But the bottom line is the Eagles are really good.
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  Speaker 2: The defense carries them. The offense. I thought it won't
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  Speaker 2: get to that. In about thirty seconds here, I thought
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  Speaker 2: the offense did some good things, but it won't be
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  Speaker 2: in the box score.
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  Speaker 1: No will smell I had. I actually had a worse takeaway, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: and again we will. I'd rather start off with defense,
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  Speaker 1: and we will, because that was really I got some
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  Speaker 1: great stuff just talking to guys in the locker room.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into the offense. But I think what continues
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  Speaker 1: to bother me, but it's really nothing new, is that
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  Speaker 1: just conceptually what they do offensively is just so basic
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  Speaker 1: and so obvious. I thought Actually, I thought this game, Adam,
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  Speaker 1: was a perfect illustration of your biggest issues with the offense.
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  Speaker 1: The two biggest things. One, the ball never gets to
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  Speaker 1: a receiver with an opportunity to get yards after catch.
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  Speaker 1: It's all stop routes, slant routes, comebacks. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: know the Lions lost, but if you juxtapose how well
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  Speaker 1: the Lions do about getting Jamir gives the ball in space,
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  Speaker 1: getting the ball to Jamison Williams on over so that
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  Speaker 1: he can run after the catch like they did. With
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  Speaker 1: what the Eagles do offensively, it's just literally like throw
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  Speaker 1: it to a comeback at the sticks or or maybe
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  Speaker 1: a quick end. There's just never any opportunities to make one.
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  Speaker 1: But that's my point, right, I mean, look, look what
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  Speaker 1: the Lions do when they get a guy on a
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  Speaker 1: crosser versus what the Eagles do when they get and
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  Speaker 1: so to me, it's just it's amazing that they survive
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  Speaker 1: like this. And again a lot of that is because
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  Speaker 1: of the defense, and and yeah that so that's it's
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  Speaker 1: I'm sort of combining that what you said about the
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  Speaker 1: lack of ability to get the ball to a playmaker
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  Speaker 1: in stride or in space.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's from the tape thing, that's from me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I thought, like, when you compare it
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  Speaker 1: to the way the Lions do it, it's it's so obvious, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they just can't do it.
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  Speaker 2: And then I got one way they can correct it,
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's this is just bad coaching. I haven't
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  Speaker 2: said that bad coaching in two years. But to have
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  Speaker 2: Calcaterra have thirty four snaps okay on offense yep, and
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  Speaker 2: lots of have one is embarrassing. I'm sorry. Lot two
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  Speaker 2: is a y tight end. Calcaterra cannot play the way
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  Speaker 2: they've tried it. He plays the f as well, which
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  Speaker 2: is the off set, so you don't keep the tight
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  Speaker 2: end in line. I don't know why they don't have
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  Speaker 2: Goddard and and lots of play together a lot. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it'sund like it's a tell. You don't know who's going
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  Speaker 2: to You don't know if they're gonna run in pass.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean it in twelve personnel where they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: throw the football run, that's not that's not a tell.
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  Speaker 2: It's not the point. The point is a lot too
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  Speaker 2: is a much better blocker than Calculterroo it's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: That is so on your point, because Goddard is exceptional
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  Speaker 2: running after the catch, you could get him if you
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  Speaker 2: decide to throw the football, if you have a lot
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  Speaker 2: to in line as the why you could have got
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  Speaker 2: to go out and run a route and run after
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  Speaker 2: the catch. Now, God, it also had to drop which
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  Speaker 2: would have been run after the catch by the way,
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  Speaker 2: he was wide open.
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  Speaker 1: True that pass that was a bad one.
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  Speaker 2: DeVante Smith drops one on third down.
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  Speaker 1: Right, The fact that we could sit here in pinpoint
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  Speaker 1: the play where there was an opportunity for them to
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  Speaker 1: make yards after the catch instead of you know, a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years ago, there was a lot of you know,
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  Speaker 1: we would talk about the way they use guys and
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  Speaker 1: getting him in space where right now the only way
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  Speaker 1: to get yards after catch is when Hurtz throws a
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  Speaker 1: deep bomb, somebody beats her corner by a couple of
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  Speaker 1: steps and then finishes it off with a touchdown or
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  Speaker 1: a long game. But they that's just what bothers me
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  Speaker 1: and I thought this game in particular, especially watching the
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  Speaker 1: the Lions do it. And I get it. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: trying to credit the Lions after losing a game, but
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  Speaker 1: you just see offensively what they're able to do when
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  Speaker 1: their best players get some space. Just wish that the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles could figure a way to do that, But that's
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  Speaker 1: not the point. The point is the Eagles one. Their
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  Speaker 1: defense was amazing. Let's let's start there, because things are
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  Speaker 1: really starting to round in the form. And this is
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  Speaker 1: the second straight week, Adam that Vic Fangio did not
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  Speaker 1: blitz a lot, just like he didn't against the Packers,
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  Speaker 1: second fewest in the league. I'll check the percentages when
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  Speaker 1: they come out. A lot of sim pressures and those
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  Speaker 1: sims worked really really well on third and fourth down,
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  Speaker 1: but not a lot of five or six man pressures.
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  Speaker 1: If maybe one or two I can remember just just
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  Speaker 1: watching with my eyes. So Vic is starting to get
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  Speaker 1: the defense that he's been trying to put together.
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  Speaker 2: Now they're winning up front. I mean that I know
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  Speaker 2: Tate Rally got hurt, he came back, he was one
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  Speaker 2: of the starting guards. Mahockey is out, Christian ma Hogany
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  Speaker 2: and other starting guard is out. But man, they constant pressure.
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  Speaker 2: It was really amazing to me. In fact, on the
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  Speaker 2: fourth and three, initially the receivers open and then they
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  Speaker 2: pressured gop So Bailey had to throw off his back
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  Speaker 2: foot and Doory Jackson was right on Arman Ross and Brown.
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  Speaker 2: Who did they by the way, they did a phenomenal
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  Speaker 2: job against him. Yehenomenal yep, yeah, Jmo beat him on
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  Speaker 2: the crosser for the touchdown. That's gouldn't happen, gonna happen,
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  Speaker 2: but they hit. They just gave up the one score
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  Speaker 2: and you could thank Jamo for the Eagles never trailing
• 9:25
  Speaker 2: in the game because of the stupidity of that fifteen
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  Speaker 2: yard penalty. Excessive celebration. Come on, dude, you can't do
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  Speaker 2: that with wind out there. You moved the kicker back
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  Speaker 2: fifteen then I missed it.
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  Speaker 1: It was crazy. I mean, you couple that with some
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  Speaker 1: really bad I thought calls by Dan Campbell, just like decisions,
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  Speaker 1: and man, the Lions just kept shooting themselves in the
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  Speaker 1: foot and the Eagles were willing to let him do it.
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  Speaker 1: But the Eagles made a tougher room. You're right about
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  Speaker 1: the overwhelming front floor pressure. It really came. It came
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  Speaker 1: from the inside. I mean, Jordan Davis, Jillen Carter and
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  Speaker 1: Moro Joemo had the biggest overall plays in the game.
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  Speaker 1: And I went down into the locker room jump by
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  Speaker 1: the way, and Hunter was good, Yeah he was. He
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  Speaker 1: did have a really good game too. I went in
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: the locker room to try to answer the question of
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  Speaker 1: what went on that they were able to bat down
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  Speaker 1: so many passes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I know a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I don't go to the locker room and ask questions like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: how how impactful was that or you know, how important
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  Speaker 1: was I want to know why, because when I see
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  Speaker 1: a trend like that, it makes me think that there
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: was like an intent and a strategy involved. And I
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: talked to Moro, Jomo, talked to Jordan Davis at length
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  Speaker 1: about it, and it turns out this is fascinating and
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  Speaker 1: this is really Adam since since Vic Fangio got here,
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: you can make an argument that the Egles have won
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: sort of the game within the game, or even the
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: preparation game as much as anybody. So it was brought
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  Speaker 1: to my attention that during the week, remember they had
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  Speaker 1: short week. They came in on Wednesday, right my play
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  Speaker 1: Monday night, and Jeorde Davis couldn't remember who, but they
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: they had to tell that Jared got He likes to
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: side arm throws on certain especially when the pressure he's
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: a big side arm thrower. But they actually practiced that
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  Speaker 1: all week long. As far as jumping off, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they found it. Moro Jomo talked about it, Davis talked
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  Speaker 1: about it, and they saw it and they figured that
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  Speaker 1: there would be opportunities to do that. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: you practice a thousand every week. This is nothing new
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: like trying to find something a defense at Tel, right,
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  Speaker 1: But for it to happen, to practice it that way,
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  Speaker 1: and for it to actually happen in the game, that's
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  Speaker 1: one of those things where it all comes together. It's
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  Speaker 1: like the chef's kiss. So congratulations, it's really it. Congratulations
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  Speaker 1: that Ego scouting and coaching staff found it the way
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  Speaker 1: they practiced it, because they literally won that game because
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  Speaker 1: of those those those.
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  Speaker 2: Pass I mean they had ten passes defense in the game.
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  Speaker 2: That's insane.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And Q had two. He had two, Davis had a three,
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  Speaker 2: which were obviously very impactful. Just a great job Jaylen.
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  Speaker 2: Some look, he may never be a ten sack guy,
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  Speaker 2: but his pressure rates going up. He's playing great defense.
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  Speaker 2: He sets the edge really well. See you've seen him
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: come out and nickel before, but not as much anymore.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's getting a chance to play on third down
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. But the bottom line is the defense
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  Speaker 2: is deep. Now they have a deep rotation at edge.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny because we rarely start on our postgame show
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  Speaker 2: on defense, but hey, since we are. We got Jalen Carter.
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  Speaker 2: As grec O Selt told us from his tape study,
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  Speaker 2: Carter's almost back to where he was last year. Yes,
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: Phillips is absolutely phenomenal. I mean he this what Jamar
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: Race told me when we hosted last week the Pro
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: Football Report. It was the best defensive debut he could remember,
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  Speaker 2: he asked me, and I couldn't remember anyone was better.
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  Speaker 2: Well he backed that up. Phillips had another good game,
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  Speaker 2: impactful set in the edge, whatever he was asked to do,
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  Speaker 2: whatever his responsibilities are in the play, he's doing. And
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  Speaker 2: he's so long and strong, you know the front and
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  Speaker 2: Ni Kobe Dean was obviously he's been amazing. As we
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  Speaker 2: said at the beginning, but it reversed itself. You can't
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  Speaker 2: play both Campbell and Dean. Well, they're playing Dan over Campbell.
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  Speaker 2: That's just the way it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, now they're mixing the but you're right, Dean's
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  Speaker 1: getting way more, way more run now and he's playing
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  Speaker 1: great and mean obviously had two really big stops in
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  Speaker 1: the third and fourth quarter. One was on a sim
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: you know when they had that third and then fourth
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  Speaker 1: down stop on Goff in third quarter, both run sim pressures.
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  Speaker 1: One was Carter batting down the line, passing the Lion
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  Speaker 1: of scrimmage. The other was Nikobe just getting through and
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  Speaker 1: getting the pressure and sack on Goff and it was
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: really not that was the pressure later came to sack.
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  Speaker 1: But either way, this is where this is where it
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  Speaker 1: just starts to all fit together. So the Lions are the,
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  Speaker 1: if not the best, one of the best running teams
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL, and the Eagles held them under four
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  Speaker 1: yards per carry, So that means the Eagles had the
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: Lions not where they're comfortable, like a little bit too
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  Speaker 1: behind the sticks for where the Lions are typically are.
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  Speaker 1: And then because of that, they were in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of good pass rush scenarios and what they practiced throughout
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  Speaker 1: the week with batting passes and just being able to
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: operate from a too high structure, because that's what Vic did.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't have to bring a safety down because they
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  Speaker 1: were getting pressure with four I mean, it all worked
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  Speaker 1: the way Vic wanted it to work. And like you said,
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  Speaker 1: Nikobe flying around Dorry Jackson going to give up some,
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  Speaker 1: but he also made some big plays. It was just
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  Speaker 1: the right marriage of stopping the run first and foremost
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  Speaker 1: and then getting into really good third and second and
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  Speaker 1: third and lungs and the front four doing its job.
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  Speaker 2: It's only negative and it could have been significant. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: they did great against Gibbs and Montgomery the wrong game,
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: but Gibbs got them in the pass game. My got it,
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: you get them. I mean, he just his acceleration is incredible.
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  Speaker 2: For guy, by the way, talking to lines about them,
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: they didn't realize how big physically he was because you
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: see him on Cape at Alabama, yep, and then you
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: get him in your building, you're like, wow, he's a
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: bigger than we thought. Well, you know, I'm sure they
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  Speaker 2: talked him the pre draft Pross, but his acceleration was
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: ridiculous and Bucky Irvin got them, you know, earlier this season.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that that's just something. When they get to
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: the playoffs, they're gonna have to do a better job
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: of whether they hit the running back coming out of
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: the backfield. Probably something that they need to do a
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: better job of slowing them up a little bit and
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  Speaker 2: obviously getting that they missed on James and Williams on
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  Speaker 2: the forty yard touchdown and a couple other plays. But
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: you know, overall, the bottom line is they gave up
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: nine points. That's incredible, right. I know the Lions had
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Sam Laport not playing with significant you can't say it's
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: not based on what he does in the scene. He
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: kills defenses within fifty yards down the scene and he's
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: a great outlet. He didn't play and they rock right
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: is their wide tight end and you know he would
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: he really wasn't used much. But the thing I was
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: so impressed with. I can't say this enough. I'm on
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: rossaying Brown of twelve targets only two catches that is,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: I know they gave a thirty four yard but man,
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: that that's phenomenal defense.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Mitchell that I mean. I'm telling you it feels like
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: last year year the way week after week. You know,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: they made the change from Maddox to Cooper to gen
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: coming out of the bye week six against the Browns
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: played a couple of ugly games that they won, and
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: then as it kept going on and kept going on,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: the defense kept rising until the end. It was number one,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: and I know, can this defense be number one?
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe?
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: I mean I think we all would have thought of
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Doriy Jackson would have been the Avante Maddox by now
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: and lost this Yeah, somebody else, but it hasn't happened.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: But they're creating great off ball linebacker play. They're now
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: getting a really good front four rush with Jalen Phillips
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: and Quinja. Mitchell is better this year than he was
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: last year, which is because he's a second year player
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: and he's has improved. And their safety tandem is you know, mccooba.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: We haven't really talked about mccoba since like Week four,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: and I think that's a good thing for mccouba because
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: he just hasn't jumped routes incorrectly. He hasn't been in
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: his head. I mean, he's just gone out there and
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: played steady football.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Emmy's mental hours are down with him. That's good.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: That's a good thing. A couple of notes on the snaps.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Jacareian Bennett only played two snaps and they were both
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: on special teams. He didn't play on defense. To your
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: point one of Derry Jackson, That's why Dorry, steven Off,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: be Jaqui, and Bennett for Now. BG had that one
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: great pre like one where he just bust in there
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: and he made GoF move that he only played eight snaps.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: But when you look at a blanket ship Bond, Mitchell
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: mccouba played every snap all fifty nine. They only had
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: fifty nine snaps on defense overall the defense did and
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: then Phil's played forty five, Dean played forty. That on
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: your point, remember because Dean's Dean's the mic Campbell, he
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: only saw twenty snaps and Dean played forty, and then
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Jordan Davis, you're seeing this a little bit more. He's
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: not playing quite as many snaps as he has before,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: but maybe it's by design. He played twenty nine snaps.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Donald Smith snaps weren't real high at twenty two. Campbell,
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: as we said it only at twenty. Michael Carter I
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: did see them. I couldn't tell. I try to tell it.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I try to see if they played dime or nickel
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: that I couldn't tell by the angle. Maybe Greg has
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: it when he when his guys chart at NFL Films,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: he played one snap and and Coop was in there.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: So I you would think it was done, but I
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: really couldn't tell.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Uh, Cooper was in there on the.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Tush push right now, I'm talking about Michael Carter.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry Carter.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Michael Carter, and he was on one cast, but it
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: was on a third down.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I think, I think I think the Lions spread it
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: out and then and the Eagles went to dime.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was done, but I we'll get
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: that confirmed. But you know, overall, and and Ringo did
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: not he was phenomenal. We we got to talk about
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: special teams in a minute. No, yeah, well the defense
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: is really really good. I don't worry about rankings. I
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: worry about what my eyes tell me and certain metrics.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: How NFL teams measure there. Their discipline now is is
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: super high. The mental busts that they were having, it
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: wasn't just mccoob, but it was other players earlier this season,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: they're not having them. And the constant pressure on the quarterback.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: It's not about sacks, right, it's about getting in the
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: quarterback's face. This is where teams don't necessarily agree with
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: PFF and other stats services. Their pressures are. You actually
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: have to make the quarterback move right spot. How many
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: times do they make golf move it?
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: It was pretty damn good, or even just sped up
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: his clock just to had it too. You a fraction
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: off on about three digs like deep digs that you
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: know it went either off Brown's hands or fell out
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the ankles. And if you gave him a fraction of
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: a second longer, both the receiver and the quarterback, then
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: those might be completions, and those could be backbreaking in
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: a one score game.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: They were in his head. That's the other point I
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: wanted to make. Yeah in my notes here with the
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: exclamation point and lamee Bennis would be happy for you,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: but exactly and that one and that one. Yes, but yeah,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: it was just remarkable to me this Jalen Phillips trade
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: it well, it's only two games. Don't want to overrate it.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: But this is on how he's This could be on
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: how he's top ten moves in recent memory. Wow, he's
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: he's healthy, knock on wood, super high character guy. As
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: we said, he was chiseled out of granite.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Wow. And the fact that he's an what's.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: That first sac as an eagle, by the way, only
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: took him to the second game he's hit.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: But the constant pressure that this defense cats, it's just
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: it's pretty amazing to me. And the death that they
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: have now all of a sudden, with BG back, with
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: no Smith's back, with Phillips at it, it's like three
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: guys dropped out of the sky. Now they're on their defense.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: You know, it's pretty remarkable.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: It's funny. Beg came out of the shower. He's walking
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to his locker. He sees me out of the corner of vice.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: He looks at me and he goes, hey, you're back here,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: you know, because I'm locking him as much as I
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: have until this year working for Philly Voice. And I said, well,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you know, you came out of retirement, so I.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Had a hey Man twenty ten for.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Him twenty him. Well, I know I still remember the day.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: One more thing on winning the game within the game,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: where being the most prepared team. All right, the fake punt,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: great example, Eagles had their defense out.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: They're not their special team.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Because I and Moro Joem will talk about this after
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the game too. He made the stop. He said, yeah,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: we were prepared because they know that it's in Dan
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Campbell's bag. It's something he's done before. I thought Dan
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Campbell had a kind of a bad game by the way.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so again it's not like Dan Campbell does
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: it week after week. He's done it occasionally enough that
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: it's on tape and that you have to practice against it,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: but you don't know when it's coming. And they left
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: their defense out there and Moro, Jomo and the front
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: sniffed it out and they made that stop and that
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: was such a critical stop. And every stop they made
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: was critical because it was a one, one score game.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: But that was that was again just being ahead, being
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: in the in your scouting, you're studying your coaching staff.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: This defensive coaching staff. Adam has done enough thinking.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I mean I just two years ago when I called
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: him the JV defensive staff. Oh sorry, but it it
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: just was not a good staff. It's just remarkable when
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: you get the adults in the room and heard Vic Fangio,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Bobby Kame, Christian Parker, Yeah, and the rest of those guys.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's Joe Casper is phenomenal. I mean,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: they it's just remarkable. If you don't think coaching matters,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: you clearly don't know football. Coaching matters. It's oh players,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: one coaches one a. You can't have one with the
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: out the other. I've never seen a bad coaching staff
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl. Never seen a bad Uh, the
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: group of players won a Super Bowl either. It just
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't happen. You need you need both. And they've got
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: it going on and and and you want to talk
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: about special scenes for a minute.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, let's hear it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: It is Jake Elliott with that when.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Now, now I.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Know you don't have the windows opening the press box.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: You can't you can't see it, can't see when. But
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Jake Elliott that forty nine yarder, the way he puts
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: a draw, he's good at the wind kicking, he knows
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: how to do it was incredible. Braidon Man was was
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: fine inside the twenty couple of them, he was good.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: And the covers lot to is incredible. They're coverage units
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: of taking a big jump with Michael Klain and Tyler Brown.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, the covered units were fantasic stick the special
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: teams were special. They were look, they were part of
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: this win. There's no way to measure it other than
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: to say they did their job. Cleif Raymond, who's a
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Pro Bowl special teamer. He couldn't get out of his
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: own way. Yeah, did a great job with him.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, Man had a great punt to the eleven
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, I think only five minutes left. Yeah,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the Eagles had what did they do? They were You
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: remember there was that third and they had that weird
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: sack that Hurts took on the other side of the
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: on the Detroit side of the field. It was a
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: minus eleven. Then it was third and fifteen. He tried
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: to hit Aj Brown. It looked to me like Aj
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: did not. Well, we'll get into the offense. But I
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: thought that was a fair time to say, did Aj
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: really go after that? Because they were spread empty and
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: third and fifteen, I'm like, oh, here's the run up
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the middle. No, they went for it. They had him
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: in a one on one and they didn't get it.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: But then Man came through and punted it down to
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the Detroit eleven. To your point, which you know, at
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: that point late in the game, the way the struggle
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: it had been for the Lions to a run the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: ball and then b pass in unfavorable down and distances,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: it felt like that was a great opportunity for the Eagles,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and you didn't have the concern you might have had.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And maybe if they were indoors or playing you know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Alliance team that was you know, lighting up the scoreboard.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Managed seven punts, actually four inside of twenty. Now, he
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: was really solid. He's got a heat to this point.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: He absolutely must get Pro Bowl consideration. But they got
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to play the regular season out. Yep, calif Rayman, this
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: is what I'm talking about. Three he had three returns
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: for three hearts. That's incredible. Yeah, that's great.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And don't dis count like they had to change their
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: long snapper a couple of weeks ago because of the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: injury to Charlie or whatever it was. Charlie Hewett first
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: hit back, I think, yes, yes, he had a time.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: He really he looks for work. He gets down there
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and does a good job.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Now I was like, wait a minute, because I didn't
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: recognize the number. I'm like, what who is that? Look
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: the long snapper, Chase Yeah.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the crazy thing is he's not even the
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: guy that they brought in in training camp when when
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: there was an injury to Hue, they brought in that
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: guy Johnstone, who seemed to do all right. Yeah, but
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know where they found Klaudamitis from, but they've
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: done a nice job.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Formerly formerly of the replaced Clark Harris with the Bengals
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: and any day to bring him back. So basically we
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: should know before we move over to offense that Josh
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Uche clearly is. He's not part of the defensive rotation.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: He's just on special teams. He had nine snaps on
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: defense because BG is the fourth edge. That's it, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: BG only played eight nasty the one really good quality
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: rush up up field. But again, defense was elite. It's
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a hell of a job, really hell of a job.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: But they got to play at Dallas, and Dallas's Dallas
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: if we'll see what happens tonight against the Raiders, but
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Dallas is even deeper with their past star.
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  Speaker 1: going over to offense before, I mean we've already sort
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: of Chris I saw it, but I'm not a great
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: game for Nick Sirianni as well. I thought he made
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: some I don't understand the decision again on fourth and
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: one on a very bad night for your offense in general,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: your running game again not unlocked to go for it
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: on your side of the field that way.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, not only that, mm hmm. But Jergins
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: was out of the game. Then Brett Cobson, it comes
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: in cold, without without without Lane. I know it's I
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: know he's a tackle, but the point is, no lange
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: out to the big one is you've made the change
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: because of the injury. Brett Tooth comes in cold and
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: you're gonna go for a toush push mm hmm. Ordinarily
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: if everybody's healthy in the role, and I'm okay with
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: doing it, but you have to look situationally. You're up
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: by ten, don't give them the ball back. I know
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: you're not thinking you're not gonna make a Coaches, don't
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: think like that, but I thought that I'm with you.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I would I said it for the I'll least say this,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I said. As they were lining up, I'm like, this
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: is not the time to do it. There's too much
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: going against you. With jurggons out, this is not a
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: good decision. We'll see if they get it. They didn't
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: get it. But the one things that I did like
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: is I like the changeup of having Hurts under center.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I like that. I like how they came out throwing
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: on the first drive, not being conservative agreed. I like
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: that there was just some of the positives now the
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: timing was off. They were on top of and this
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: goes to your point. I'm looking at my notes here
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: and I don't well ask Greg this and see if
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: you noticed. This is when we do we tape the
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: show with the inside the tape show with Rag. But
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I thought they were two on top of the Lions
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: defensive backs, the corners on top of the pass routes.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: It goes to your point where the crossers certain certain
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: routes where they shouldn't be. They were sitting on routes.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I thought they were sitting on routes too much. That
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: that goes to your predictability. I know that's more of
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: a generality, but that was my issue that I had
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: with the game, although I liked some of the change
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: ups that they had.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, those were the backup cornerbacks
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: for the Lions. I mean they didn't have their starters,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: and then they lost Branch at some point, right he
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I know he came back in, but he got hurt
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean they only have one healthy safety,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: that starting safety that was Brand.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Branch only missed one Yeah he miss Okay, Yeah, what
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: happened is he look I thought it looked bad. It
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: was his left name, and he actually stayed in. He
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: didn't come out for that snap. He only missed one
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: snap of the game. But yeah, they the Eagles had
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of advantagers. Now, if the weather is better,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: it would have it mattered. Who knows, rock Ya scene.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I give this guy credit. Yeah, former Temple star corner.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: He's bounced around with six teams and he played a
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: hell of a game. And by the way, that pass
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: interference was that was actually a wrong call. I don't
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: We've been on this now for eight years. We know
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: the pass interference roles. It's not consistently called that absolutely
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: was not a pass interference on Rocky scene. That was
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: a bad whoever was on I thought it was.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, a bad call. God yeah. And
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: also just from a refereeing standpoint, and why I continue
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: to think the Twitch push will eventually get banned. The
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: aerial view, it's weird the Tyler Steen false start because
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: he put his hand over the lot. He was pointing
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: at Tyler Williams. This is on the first Twitch push,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: right they called it fall or maybe the second. He's
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: pointing at him because he thinks Tyler Williams is lined
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: up in the neutral zone. But the aerial view does
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: not show clearly that he could have. He could have not,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: It was not very clear. But but by by trying
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: to point it out and putting his hand through the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: neutral zone, Tyler Stein caused that false start and then
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: he seemed upset that he got flagged for it.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: He was shocked by it, like, well, you put.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Your hand over the nude fills out if you're good,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: you're trying to point it out to the referee, but
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: the referee is not calling it, then you are now
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: causing the infraction.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: So yeah, but by the way, when Zach Berman asked
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: the pool report. They asked referee Alex Camp. Here's just
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: quote the official observe the receivers are I'm getting grabbed
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: and restricting them. Yes, the rule is you cannot restrict movement.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: But the problem is they had hand fighting. The ball
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: was in the air. That that to me was hand fighting.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: That that that I watched that place six times. That
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: was my problem is that past interference is too judgmental. Belichick,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: you know Bill Belichick when he was a Patriots head coach.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: At the owner's meetings, they would want to be able
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: to challenge every call. Sometimes they're just bad calls. It
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: could cost you a game or cost you yardage. It's impactful.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I just didn't agree with it. But oh well, but uh.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: The bottom line though, getting back to offense, is that
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: they've got to be better. The only one offensive touch,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: and that drive was really good. By the way, that
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: was a really good drive. I don't think you and
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I aren't agreeing on this one. I don't think it
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: was as bad as you thought. We're not as good.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I did like the change ups there. I'm just gonna tie.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I like the change ups. I liked it and got
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Brown involved. He led them by far and targets eleven.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Was to me like he averaged seven yards per catch
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: involved just to say I got a J. Brown involved,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: There was no there was no signature a J. Brown moment.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: There was someone. They had a couple where coverage was tight,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: that was the problem. But on your.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: That's like five backups out there.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: No, I hear it. Really you gotta try, but no,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: But on your point, though, it's the design of the
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: past game. There's there's the best coordinators get get find
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: a way to get guys open space. And that's where
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Sirianni and and Patula have to do a better job.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: That's on them. I mean that's like submitt he got
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: his five and now he obviously had he had the
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: one drop on third down, but he had five targets
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: just one catch. Look at how contested those those Baltimore
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: that that was the thing that a lot of them
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: were contested. Now, I like the one play for thirty
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: four yards was a great throw by that hurts the Dotson.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: It was a broken down play. Yeah that again that
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: was not the design of the play. Right counts, But
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: yeah it counts.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: But I feel like that's their offense is like backyard,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: like the touchdown against the Vikings to A. J. Brown
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: that was like you know, oh you're yeah, yeah like that.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: There's so much of that.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: It's it's gotta be frust but really you need to
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: really use me, right right? Yeah, get in the structure.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah that it's too random right now, that that's kind
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: of where there are. The run game was up and down.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: But Bigsby, what you want to talk to the epitome
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: of a change up. You can't. You cannot adjust the
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: way that he runs. It's so different than Barkley. Talk
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: about a change up that that works. It's empty yard
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: was beautiful four for thirty four. He is we questioned
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: in that as everyone else did as a running back.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Are you ever going to use him? And now that
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: they have, he's been terrific.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, he has been. It weirdly feels too that when
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: he gets the ball, the lanes just look a little
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: bit more wide open for him. Maybe it's because the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: defense isn't expecting it as much as when Barkley gets
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: the ball. And I do think, Adam, some of the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: issues we're talking about are going to continue to linger
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: and be more offensive line oriented. For example, they did
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: try to get Barkley a nice little I don't know
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: if it's a screen I'd have to watch. But obviously
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Cam Jurgens, who's just coming back and still doesn't look
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: like the Cam Jurgens of the past, he couldn't get
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: his body on anzelone, right, And uh and they you know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Barkley got leveled for I think minus eight on that.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: That's not that's that's execution. That's not like a bad
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: play call or you know, a lack of trying to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: get a guy in space. It's just the offensive line
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: has not executed at the highest level.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that one and then the other one, the
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Fred the other screen, the Fred Johnson was late.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Oh god, the blog.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah they missed that. Yeah, they know there were a
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: ton of execution errors, but make a good point about
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: the structure of the past game. It's just you have
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: a guy's not called plays before, but it's remember he's
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: running Sirianni's offense. It's everyone I've talked to who's granted
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Eagles tape said it looks very much the same as
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: twenty three and twenty four when Shane Steichen was here.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: People I love how they give him credit and it's
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: fine because the results were what they were. The defense,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the league had no idea how to play a J
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Brown and Hurts together, right, They didn't play deep coverage
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: like they started doing twenty three.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: And and Sirianni in particular, because it's the scheme, he's
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: failed to adjust to what the defenses have done starting
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, just has not done a good
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: enough job. That's a fair statement, because we're talking to
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: people are telling us this that this scheme looks exactly
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: the same. That's on Sirianni.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Also, they highly regulated the RPOs after twenty twenty two,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: so that they started calling those illegal man down fields,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: which was happening all the time. But just going on note,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and that really forced the egos have to scale back
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: on their usage of them because it's really hard to
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: really pull that playoff or if you're going to do
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: it as much as they were doing it in twenty
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: twenty two without having having that issue.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I just and do want to add
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I liked the QB draw yes with her straight away.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I really the two of them obviously had the touchdown
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: but on the push, but the twelve yard aer was
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: really nice.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Yep, it was another one too. There was one or two.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: And what I liked about the second one at him
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: is that who's the linebacker fifty five? Is that Barnes? Yes, Okay,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: he knew the second one was coming like they were spread,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: which takes.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: The box empty. They went empty twice.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: He shot the gap because he knew it was coming,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: and Hurts still put a move on him, got a
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: good block and was able to get it. So when
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: you have a play that the defense knows is coming
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: and you still execute it, that's awesome. And if you
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: go back to Monday night against the Packers, if he
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't fumble at the end, they peanup, punched it out.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: They're three for three on that play over the last
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: two weeks.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: So oh yeah, the play can run bad and they
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: move right down the field right right.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: So you used to do it quite a bit. They
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: stopped doing it, I think because it was part of
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: the predictability, But now it's back. Yeah.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Look, there were some good runs by Barkley in the game. Overall,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: we just have to accept everyone who watches Eagles has
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: to accept the offensive lines not even remotely close to
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: as good as last year. It's not going to get
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: anywhere close to a lead again. You got Lanes hurt,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Jorgens got hurt late. Even when they've been together, they
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: other than the one Giants game, they've not really played
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: particularly well for a full game. They have what they have,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: they have to be better. They'll get better, but they're
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: not gonna be a lead against the point because they're
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: just physically not the same. For whatever reason, it's just
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the tape looks like it like it looks. I know
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: that they've had some timing ours, they missed some blocks,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: well that counts, I mean, that's part of it. But
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: we know that they're capable playing better, and you would
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: hope that will happen. But there were some couraging signs
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: with Barkley and obviously with Bigsby as a changeup that works.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, by the way they rather about forty times,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: that's pretty remarkable to me.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: It is, especially since they didn't have a very good
• 39:06
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